1 2011-04-05 00:00:00 <ArtForz> it's over 9000!
  2 2011-04-05 00:00:03 <justmoon> ROFL
  3 2011-04-05 00:00:15 <ankoss> 12 consecutive blocks, coming in pairs less than 1 min apart is pretty unusual
  4 2011-04-05 00:00:19 <grbgout> What, 9000?
  5 2011-04-05 00:00:52 <justmoon> ankoss: it's the NSA and CIA and the national weather service attacking the bitcoin network :P
  6 2011-04-05 00:01:00 <ankoss> indeed! haha
  7 2011-04-05 00:01:21 <[Tycho]> Weather prediction services can do that.
  8 2011-04-05 00:01:31 <Blitzboom> justmoon: ITS OVER NINE THOUSAND
  9 2011-04-05 00:01:38 <Blitzboom> oh, i came too late
 10 2011-04-05 00:01:47 <gasteve_> I like the fact that slush shows you when you find blocks...you compare that to the payout you get and see how close you're tracking to the payout you could have expected from solo mining
 11 2011-04-05 00:01:51 <justmoon> *power level meter thingy explodes*
 12 2011-04-05 00:01:59 <Blitzboom> hehe
 13 2011-04-05 00:02:00 <[Tycho]> 9000 is for a second video ?
 14 2011-04-05 00:02:18 <Blitzboom> what about bitcoin reaches over 9000 USD rate?
 15 2011-04-05 00:02:23 <ankoss> the chances of such a pattern are probably around 1 in a million (that is the chances that 6 blocks in a row will be one minute after the previous block)
 16 2011-04-05 00:03:37 <justmoon> [Tycho]: 2000 is to pay off existing video (maybe 2500 given current exchange rate), rest is for next video
 17 2011-04-05 00:04:11 <justmoon> with the next video I can hold of actually paying anything for months, hopefully I'll be able to hit a favorable rate that way
 18 2011-04-05 00:04:47 <ankoss> does bitocin have a mascot
 19 2011-04-05 00:04:56 <ankoss> like a wisecracking owl
 20 2011-04-05 00:05:13 <justmoon> ankoss, yes we do, let me find the link
 21 2011-04-05 00:05:44 <justmoon> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1756.0
 22 2011-04-05 00:05:49 <justmoon> see cat thingy on the right
 23 2011-04-05 00:05:56 <ankoss> oh sweet
 24 2011-04-05 00:06:11 <justmoon> (that's not from us, just to be clear)
 25 2011-04-05 00:06:16 <ankoss> wow these are great illustrations
 26 2011-04-05 00:06:49 <justmoon> first thing our designer said about the logos: "oh man he rotated the coin, you don't do that." xD
 27 2011-04-05 00:07:24 <nanotube> why don't you rotate the coin?
 28 2011-04-05 00:07:25 <[Tycho]> maneki neko ? :)
 29 2011-04-05 00:07:58 <justmoon> nanotube: because it makes it look off-balance and if you want to get all fancy and metaphorical: unstable
 30 2011-04-05 00:08:04 <forrestv> ankoss, actually it's about 2 in a billion :p
 31 2011-04-05 00:08:25 <Kiba> O_O
 32 2011-04-05 00:08:33 <ArtForz> actually it's pretty damn common
 33 2011-04-05 00:08:40 <ankoss> forrestv, interesting..
 34 2011-04-05 00:09:08 <justmoon> forrestv: actually it's over 9000!!
 35 2011-04-05 00:09:16 <Kiba> [Tycho]: so..how do you figure out the fees?
 36 2011-04-05 00:09:19 <ArtForz> well, this *exact* pattern is about 1 in infinity, but other similar ones are pretty common
 37 2011-04-05 00:09:43 <ankoss> the chances of 6 blocks generated in the same minute (1-10) following the prior coin was the probability i was looking at.. but there are different ways of framing it
 38 2011-04-05 00:09:49 <[Tycho]> Kiba, fees on pool mining ?
 39 2011-04-05 00:10:06 <ankoss> like 6 coins each generated in the second minute after the previous one.. or the third minute.. there are 10 possibilities...
 40 2011-04-05 00:10:14 <Kiba> bitcoin monitor
 41 2011-04-05 00:11:08 <ankoss> its true theres an observation bias.. what you really want is the probability of "some interesting pattern" showing up which is of course very high indeed.. but i thought i was being fair w.r.t "generated in the same minute"
 42 2011-04-05 00:12:08 <[Tycho]> Kiba, bitcoin monitor doesn't belongs to me.
 43 2011-04-05 00:13:13 <ArtForz> yep
 44 2011-04-05 00:13:38 <ArtForz> seeing patterns in randomness is fun though
 45 2011-04-05 00:14:02 <[Tycho]> I see them every time.
 46 2011-04-05 00:14:34 <[Tycho]> Like cycles in shares/block for both pools
 47 2011-04-05 00:15:03 <ArtForz> found virgin mary yet?
 48 2011-04-05 00:15:18 <[Tycho]> "virgin mary" ?
 49 2011-04-05 00:15:28 <ArtForz> yeah
 50 2011-04-05 00:16:34 <forrestv> yeah, that probability i gave was 13 blocks being within one minute of each other
 51 2011-04-05 00:16:40 <forrestv> >.<
 52 2011-04-05 00:17:00 <Kiba> hmm
 53 2011-04-05 00:18:40 <ankoss> well its all totally random
 54 2011-04-05 00:19:08 <ankoss> algorithmic entropy
 55 2011-04-05 00:19:54 <ankoss> its not really random.. since it can be compressed down to a small program that finds hashes
 56 2011-04-05 00:20:04 <ankoss> a truly random sequence is uncompressible
 57 2011-04-05 00:20:24 <ankoss> so its pseudo-random.. but youd be hard pressed to find any way of distinguishing it from really random...
 58 2011-04-05 00:22:47 <ankoss> http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-stoner-arms-dealers-20110316
 59 2011-04-05 00:26:53 <Kiba> mtgox trading seems to come in wave
 60 2011-04-05 00:27:11 <Kiba> probably, bots?
 61 2011-04-05 00:28:15 <MagicalTux> Kiba, when you enter a buy, it can be filled by many sell orders
 62 2011-04-05 00:28:38 <MagicalTux> if you buy or sell large amounts at lower-than-market price you get lots of orders filled
 63 2011-04-05 00:41:15 <JFK911> ;;bc,stats
 64 2011-04-05 00:41:18 <gribble> Current Blocks: 116767 | Current Difficulty: 68978.89245792 | Next Difficulty At Block: 116927 | Next Difficulty In: 160 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 21 hours, 17 minutes, and 20 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 80833.03709559
 65 2011-04-05 00:49:52 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r8288eb46c493 spesmilo/ (core_interface.py main.py settings.py): Bugfix: multiple bugs related to internal core use (which now works) http://tinyurl.com/3esb4eo
 66 2011-04-05 01:12:00 <SoobNauce> How often does bitcoin check blocks for transactions?  My laptop is currently using my netbook's wallet.dat but it doesn't see the netbook's latest incoming transaction.  My laptop is only 1 block behind the swarm, it seems.  Will the transaction (which has 20 confirmations) come in to my laptop when I get the latest block, or do I need to do something?
 67 2011-04-05 01:12:44 <SoobNauce> Can I tell bitcoin to rescan (every?) blocks for transactions?  If I know in which block a transaction occurred, can I tell bitcoin to rescan that block for a transaction?
 68 2011-04-05 01:12:45 <phantomcircuit> SoobNauce, it checks them as they come in from the p2p network
 69 2011-04-05 01:12:55 <phantomcircuit> SoobNauce, and yes you can ./bitcoin --help
 70 2011-04-05 01:13:38 <SoobNauce> also, there is currently no way to consolidate wallets, correct?
 71 2011-04-05 01:14:06 <luke-jr> SoobNauce: you need to re-copy wallet.dat every so often
 72 2011-04-05 01:14:28 <luke-jr> SoobNauce: and if you've spent money from both PCs, you're pretty much screwed
 73 2011-04-05 01:14:43 <SoobNauce> luke-jr: I have the wallet.dat, does that not allow me to look at the transaction?
 74 2011-04-05 01:14:46 <luke-jr> (just keep both wallet.dat for now)
 75 2011-04-05 01:15:00 <SoobNauce> s/look at/claim as mine/
 76 2011-04-05 01:15:04 <luke-jr> SoobNauce: wallet.dat grows over time
 77 2011-04-05 01:15:34 <luke-jr> whatever you do, backup both wallet.dat
 78 2011-04-05 01:15:42 <SoobNauce> I am doing that.
 79 2011-04-05 01:15:52 <SoobNauce> "rescan the block chain for missing wallet transactions"?
 80 2011-04-05 01:15:55 <SoobNauce> I think that's what I want.
 81 2011-04-05 01:16:29 <SoobNauce> Thank you for letting me know I could run bitcoin --help
 82 2011-04-05 01:16:43 <luke-jr> np
 83 2011-04-05 01:16:55 <SoobNauce> ...does bitcoin give any external indication that it's rescanning or do I just take it on faith that it's doing something?
 84 2011-04-05 01:17:07 <luke-jr> debug.log maybe
 85 2011-04-05 01:17:09 <phantomcircuit> SoobNauce, welcome
 86 2011-04-05 01:17:15 <SoobNauce> hi phantomcircuit ;~;
 87 2011-04-05 01:17:29 <SoobNauce> I earned the last part of my first bitcoin yesterday
 88 2011-04-05 01:17:36 <SoobNauce> I subsequently lost it about 3 hours ago
 89 2011-04-05 01:18:04 <phantomcircuit> lol
 90 2011-04-05 01:18:18 <phantomcircuit> deleted your wallet.dat?
 91 2011-04-05 01:18:21 <SoobNauce> May I tell the full story?  I really want to solve this quickly so I can go to sleep :(
 92 2011-04-05 01:18:50 <SoobNauce> phantomcircuit: no, I managed to save wallet.dat, it's the bitcoin executable on my netbook that died and I don't know how to get the transaction onto my normal laptop now that I've transplanted the netbook's wallet.dat here
 93 2011-04-05 01:21:05 <gjs278> well first you have to send me your wallet.dat... then I can combine them
 94 2011-04-05 01:21:34 <phantomcircuit> gjs278, :|
 95 2011-04-05 01:21:44 <phantomcircuit> SoobNauce, the wallet contains the private keys
 96 2011-04-05 01:21:50 <gjs278> I'll do anything for the nickel he got from that well
 97 2011-04-05 01:21:55 <SoobNauce> phantomcircuit: I'm aware of that.
 98 2011-04-05 01:22:12 <phantomcircuit> SoobNauce, afaik there is no way to merge wallet.dat's
 99 2011-04-05 01:22:15 <SoobNauce> phantomcircuit: the problem is it doesn't contain the transaction I want.  The transaction lies exactly 20 blocks in the past.
100 2011-04-05 01:22:30 <SoobNauce> or, 21, I may not remember the number correctly
101 2011-04-05 01:22:33 <ArtForz> backup wallet, -rescan
102 2011-04-05 01:22:34 <SoobNauce> "20 confirmations"
103 2011-04-05 01:22:50 <SoobNauce> ArtForz: but see I'm running bitcoin off of the backed-up wallet ;~;
104 2011-04-05 01:22:55 <phantomcircuit> ArtForz, wait the wallet contains transactions?
105 2011-04-05 01:22:57 <phantomcircuit> lol
106 2011-04-05 01:22:58 <SoobNauce> also, is it -rescan or --rescan under windows?
107 2011-04-05 01:22:59 <gjs278> copy it again
108 2011-04-05 01:23:00 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: yes
109 2011-04-05 01:23:05 <ArtForz> yes
110 2011-04-05 01:23:06 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, why?
111 2011-04-05 01:23:21 <ArtForz> wallet contains trasnactions to/from it from blocks "in the past"
112 2011-04-05 01:23:34 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: if block chain reorg, gotta resend
113 2011-04-05 01:23:35 <SoobNauce> ohp
114 2011-04-05 01:23:40 <SoobNauce> now it lives 21 blocks or so in the past
115 2011-04-05 01:23:42 <ArtForz> so it doesnt have to check the whole chain on every startup
116 2011-04-05 01:23:48 <gjs278> so it's like a cache
117 2011-04-05 01:24:00 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: also makes for a useful transaction history
118 2011-04-05 01:24:03 <SoobNauce> ok here we go
119 2011-04-05 01:24:06 <SoobNauce> Block 116754
120 2011-04-05 01:24:28 <ArtForz> yep
121 2011-04-05 01:24:30 <ArtForz> so basically if you combine a wallet that last saw block X with a blkindex that last saw block Y, you get problems
122 2011-04-05 01:24:30 <gjs278> so if I only use ONE address, and I have my original wallet.dat from day one, would I be able to retrieve everything again if I loaded it up today
123 2011-04-05 01:24:40 <luke-jr> gjs278: you don't only use one address.
124 2011-04-05 01:24:50 <luke-jr> gjs278: that's virtually impossible to do
125 2011-04-05 01:25:05 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, oh hadn't thought about block re organization
126 2011-04-05 01:25:07 <SoobNauce> Transaction, from 1EqB52... (my desktop) to 1J19L... (my netbook)
127 2011-04-05 01:25:08 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: as I assume you know, even if a TX makes it into the block chain, a stronger block chain may overtake it.  TX's go back to zero confirmations, if they were in the weaker chain
128 2011-04-05 01:25:12 <gjs278> fine, forget the address part
129 2011-04-05 01:25:21 <gjs278> would my original wallet.dat be able to retrieve everything
130 2011-04-05 01:25:22 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: client cannot and should not lose TX's for that case
131 2011-04-05 01:25:25 <ArtForz> you use up one address of the 100-address pool on every send
132 2011-04-05 01:25:28 <ArtForz> but yes, that works
133 2011-04-05 01:25:45 <SoobNauce> ArtForz: You get it back in a fraction of a second though
134 2011-04-05 01:25:47 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: got spesmilo yet? XD
135 2011-04-05 01:25:58 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: there has been at least one major block chain reorg (>100 blocks, IIRC) in bitcoin's history
136 2011-04-05 01:26:13 <TheKid> jgarzik: how'd that happen?
137 2011-04-05 01:26:16 <gjs278> luke-jr how do I see all of my addresses on bitcoind
138 2011-04-05 01:26:26 <SoobNauce> guys I can see the transaction right now how do I tell bitcoin which block to go to in order to find it ;~;
139 2011-04-05 01:26:27 <luke-jr> gjs278: you don't.
140 2011-04-05 01:26:28 <jgarzik> TheKid: buggy TX for 4 billion BTC
141 2011-04-05 01:26:32 <gjs278> alright
142 2011-04-05 01:26:56 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, yeah worked
143 2011-04-05 01:27:09 <ArtForz> you can create a empty wallet, write down its address, put it in a safe somewhere, send to that address from other wallets, pull that wallet on a live computer a year later and the funds are there
144 2011-04-05 01:27:11 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, i might suggest adding a dependency on bitcoin xD
145 2011-04-05 01:27:12 <jgarzik> thankfully, that block chain reorg was not longer than coin maturation
146 2011-04-05 01:27:13 <SoobNauce> no joke I am losing sleep over this right now
147 2011-04-05 01:27:20 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: it doesn't depend on a (local) bitcoind though
148 2011-04-05 01:27:24 <gjs278> ArtForz that's what I'm saying
149 2011-04-05 01:27:35 <gjs278> my original wallet would be able to retrieve this all then right?
150 2011-04-05 01:27:38 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, ah trut
151 2011-04-05 01:27:38 <SoobNauce> is there a way to tell the bitcoin client to flush every block it knows and rebuild its chain?
152 2011-04-05 01:27:53 <jgarzik> SoobNauce: sure, delete the block databases
153 2011-04-05 01:27:56 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, well make it so that if the connection fails it asks for user/pass/host/port
154 2011-04-05 01:27:57 <gjs278> because I've been backing up everyday thinking that mattered lol
155 2011-04-05 01:28:10 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: just did :
156 2011-04-05 01:28:10 <SoobNauce> jgarzik: Rebuilding it would take... ...hours, wouldn't it...  nevermind <_<
157 2011-04-05 01:28:11 <ArtForz> SoobNauce: erm... it kinda does that by default already
158 2011-04-05 01:28:20 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: the connection progress-box now has a Configure button
159 2011-04-05 01:28:28 <ArtForz> we're just missing the special case of mismatched wallet + blkindex caches
160 2011-04-05 01:28:32 <jgarzik> SoobNauce: shouldn't take more than an hour
161 2011-04-05 01:28:43 <ArtForz> which isnt really too hard to fix
162 2011-04-05 01:28:50 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, good XD
163 2011-04-05 01:29:05 <SoobNauce> How long should it take to --rescan?
164 2011-04-05 01:29:17 <ArtForz> a few seconds usually
165 2011-04-05 01:29:20 <SoobNauce> and am I just supposed to take it on faith that it's actually scanning?
166 2011-04-05 01:29:28 <jgarzik> yeah, --rescan is fast, if you have all the blocks downloaded
167 2011-04-05 01:29:29 <SoobNauce> ok so to delete the cache I...
168 2011-04-05 01:29:31 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: any suggestions?
169 2011-04-05 01:29:38 <ArtForz> well, iirc once it started it already finished the rescan
170 2011-04-05 01:29:44 <jgarzik> initial block download + index is what takes time.
171 2011-04-05 01:29:54 <SoobNauce> is --rescan different from -rescan?
172 2011-04-05 01:29:56 <nanotube> isn't it -rescan, rather than --rescan?
173 2011-04-05 01:29:58 <ArtForz> yep
174 2011-04-05 01:30:06 <ArtForz> it is -rescan
175 2011-04-05 01:30:07 <SoobNauce> goddommot
176 2011-04-05 01:30:12 <SoobNauce> someone told me 2 dashes
177 2011-04-05 01:30:17 <ArtForz> bitcoin always uses single - args
178 2011-04-05 01:30:17 <SoobNauce> *not amused face*
179 2011-04-05 01:30:22 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, that was all, although including other info would be useful
180 2011-04-05 01:30:29 <nanotube> SoobNauce: when you run -rescan, you'll see some disk activity for a minute or two.
181 2011-04-05 01:30:31 <luke-jr> ?
182 2011-04-05 01:30:33 <SoobNauce> bitcoin --help works but I'm sure bitcoin --unrecognizedcommand would also work
183 2011-04-05 01:30:34 <SoobNauce> oh ffs
184 2011-04-05 01:30:39 <SoobNauce> thank you so much #bitcoin-dev
185 2011-04-05 01:30:44 <SoobNauce> I see my transaction now
186 2011-04-05 01:30:46 <luke-jr> SoobNauce: nope, --unrecognizedcommand would be ignored
187 2011-04-05 01:30:57 <SoobNauce> huh.
188 2011-04-05 01:31:00 <SoobNauce> so it would.
189 2011-04-05 01:31:08 <SoobNauce> So then why does "bitcoin --help" work?
190 2011-04-05 01:31:55 <SoobNauce> hm, you don't need to answer that question ;~;
191 2011-04-05 01:32:03 <SoobNauce> thank you very much for helping me with this though
192 2011-04-05 01:33:20 <nanotube> SoobNauce: yw, have fun. :)
193 2011-04-05 01:33:23 <nanotube> don't lose any bitcoins
194 2011-04-05 01:33:30 <nanotube> (and also... no idea why --help works...)
195 2011-04-05 01:33:30 <SoobNauce> ?
196 2011-04-05 01:33:39 <nanotube> SoobNauce: heh just saying. ;)
197 2011-04-05 01:33:49 <nanotube> you said you were losing sleep
198 2011-04-05 01:33:56 <nanotube> so i was playing on that
199 2011-04-05 01:34:37 <SoobNauce> is "--help" completely nonstandard or are there programs what do that?
200 2011-04-05 01:34:47 <gjs278> every program uses --help
201 2011-04-05 01:34:49 <gjs278> or -help
202 2011-04-05 01:34:51 <gjs278> or --WHATEVER
203 2011-04-05 01:34:54 <SoobNauce> gjs: both?
204 2011-04-05 01:35:00 <gjs278> just mash away and find out
205 2011-04-05 01:35:07 <SoobNauce> Helpful.
206 2011-04-05 01:35:23 <nanotube> --help is usually standard. in linux world, most arguments are two dashes.
207 2011-04-05 01:35:29 <SoobNauce> oh herp
208 2011-04-05 01:35:32 <SoobNauce> thank you :(
209 2011-04-05 01:35:33 <gjs278> well
210 2011-04-05 01:35:33 <nanotube> which is probably why people keep saying --rescan instead of -rescan :)
211 2011-04-05 01:35:40 <EvanR> Keefe: are you currently selling mtgox $
212 2011-04-05 01:35:45 <gjs278> -- is standard for the full command
213 2011-04-05 01:35:47 <gjs278> like --help
214 2011-04-05 01:35:49 <gjs278> but if it was just -h
215 2011-04-05 01:35:53 <nanotube> right, -- is std for the long-style arg
216 2011-04-05 01:35:54 <gjs278> like h to alias help
217 2011-04-05 01:35:57 <gjs278> it would be one dash
218 2011-04-05 01:35:59 <nanotube> and one - is std for one letter
219 2011-04-05 01:36:02 <gjs278> yeah
220 2011-04-05 01:36:06 <gjs278> I hate stds
221 2011-04-05 01:36:07 <luke-jr> Spesmilo uses standard command line arg format ;)
222 2011-04-05 01:36:08 <nanotube> hehe
223 2011-04-05 01:36:14 <nanotube> luke-jr: ++
224 2011-04-05 01:36:21 <luke-jr> except if it's -icon
225 2011-04-05 01:36:37 <luke-jr> because KDE idiots have this gaping bug where it sends -icon instead of --icon like the FDO spec says
226 2011-04-05 01:36:39 <luke-jr> -.-
227 2011-04-05 01:36:39 <SoobNauce> so then it should be --rescan and -r or something like that?
228 2011-04-05 01:36:49 <gjs278> shoot for the full name
229 2011-04-05 01:36:51 <nanotube> SoobNauce: right. usually it would be.
230 2011-04-05 01:36:56 <luke-jr> IMO, rescan doesn't need a short version
231 2011-04-05 01:36:57 <gjs278> unless you know for a fact -r is really rescan
232 2011-04-05 01:36:59 <gjs278> it could also be
233 2011-04-05 01:37:00 <gjs278> remove
234 2011-04-05 01:37:02 <ArtForz> bitcoin also does, it's special standard is "everything starts with one -, there are no short args" ;)
235 2011-04-05 01:37:07 <gjs278> or RE-EXPLODE YOUR COMPUTER
236 2011-04-05 01:37:12 <gjs278> you never know what -r could mean
237 2011-04-05 01:37:19 <luke-jr> I can't wait until bitcoind has a viable replacement
238 2011-04-05 01:37:22 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: ^
239 2011-04-05 01:37:43 <luke-jr> actually, mtve ^ :
240 2011-04-05 01:37:51 <luke-jr> maybe I should help out in that area&
241 2011-04-05 01:37:55 <gjs278> bitcoind owns it just doesn't list every command for some reason
242 2011-04-05 01:38:41 <ArtForz> well, it mostly doesnt list debug stuff
243 2011-04-05 01:38:41 <gjs278> like how is anyone supposed to figure out bitcoind listreceivedbyaddress is a command
244 2011-04-05 01:39:16 <luke-jr> bitcoind help ?
245 2011-04-05 01:39:17 <SoobNauce> one last question.  Does bitcoin only force generation of a new address when it senda transaction that needs change, or when it will receive change from a transaction, or...  what?
246 2011-04-05 01:39:28 <luke-jr> gjs278: also, it isn't a command, it's a JSON-RPC call.
247 2011-04-05 01:39:37 <luke-jr> gjs278: it isn't meant for humans, it's meant for software
248 2011-04-05 01:39:39 <gjs278> let me see if bitcoind help is even in there
249 2011-04-05 01:39:44 <gjs278> I use it all of the time
250 2011-04-05 01:39:46 <gjs278> I'm also a bot
251 2011-04-05 01:39:48 <CIA-96> bitcoin: phantomcircuit connector * r9e769357131b bitcoin-alt/bitcoin/storage.py: Revert "Moving away from sqlalchemy... too much magic" http://tinyurl.com/6khucwd
252 2011-04-05 01:39:49 <CIA-96> bitcoin: phantomcircuit * r7eb8d4e14a6d bitcoin-alt/ (5 files in 3 dirs): storage locking http://tinyurl.com/4ycw593
253 2011-04-05 01:39:51 <CIA-96> bitcoin: phantomcircuit connector * rf11a4893181d bitcoin-alt/.gitignore: Merge branch 'connector' of github.com:phantomcircuit/bitcoin-alt into connector http://tinyurl.com/3o3eoff
254 2011-04-05 01:39:58 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, write me a transaction script interpreter
255 2011-04-05 01:40:01 <ArtForz> for example I dont think -printpriority is documented, and for good reason
256 2011-04-05 01:40:04 <gjs278> hmm okay it is
257 2011-04-05 01:40:12 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: I'm more inclined to help mtve since his is Perl :P
258 2011-04-05 01:40:14 <gjs278> I always figured --help was it
259 2011-04-05 01:40:27 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, psh
260 2011-04-05 01:46:46 <retinal> ;;bc,stats
261 2011-04-05 01:46:48 <gribble> Current Blocks: 116778 | Current Difficulty: 68978.89245792 | Next Difficulty At Block: 116927 | Next Difficulty In: 149 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 19 hours, 39 minutes, and 35 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 80974.76923076
262 2011-04-05 01:50:43 <luke-jr> hmm, bitcoin-pl seems to actually work
263 2011-04-05 01:50:51 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, link?
264 2011-04-05 01:50:53 <luke-jr> maybe I just need to throw JSON-RPC on it
265 2011-04-05 01:51:10 <luke-jr> http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/bitcoin/w/bitcoin-pl.git
266 2011-04-05 01:51:23 <luke-jr> https://gitorious.org/bitcoin/bitcoin-pl
267 2011-04-05 01:51:36 <luke-jr> still downloading blocks tho
268 2011-04-05 01:52:42 <luke-jr> Blocks: 63448, Transactions: 71259, Your addresses: 1
269 2011-04-05 01:53:19 <jgarzik> luke-jr: the acid test is proper wallet handling through chain reorg.  I don't think anybody except mainline gets that right, and that is critical for production users.
270 2011-04-05 01:53:37 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, looks like that data store is missing things, like the order of transaction input/outputs
271 2011-04-05 01:55:20 <luke-jr> jgarzik: hmm, wonder how difficult it would be to write a fake node that simulates one
272 2011-04-05 01:55:36 <jgarzik> luke-jr: pretty easy to do, with testnet-in-a-box
273 2011-04-05 01:57:26 <u2time> anybody else loose funds in liberty reserve over the weekend?
274 2011-04-05 01:58:00 <u2time> I mean lose funds
275 2011-04-05 01:58:02 <dirtyfilthy> what happened?
276 2011-04-05 01:58:02 <nanotube> u2time: you mean your balance went down while lr was out?
277 2011-04-05 01:58:08 <u2time> yep
278 2011-04-05 01:58:16 <nanotube> mmm wow... what does your tx history show?
279 2011-04-05 01:58:19 <nanotube> any outgoing?
280 2011-04-05 01:58:19 <u2time> transfer from mtgox never showed up
281 2011-04-05 01:58:31 <nanotube> ah interesting
282 2011-04-05 01:58:38 <nanotube> you could contact mtgox about it, i guess.
283 2011-04-05 01:58:39 <u2time> no, just looks like they roled back before I got the trans
284 2011-04-05 01:58:44 <u2time> rolled
285 2011-04-05 01:58:55 <u2time> I think they lost everything and rolled it back a day or so
286 2011-04-05 01:58:56 <phantomcircuit> also
287 2011-04-05 01:58:58 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, 'PRAGMA synchronous = OFF'
288 2011-04-05 01:59:04 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, that's cheating ;)
289 2011-04-05 01:59:27 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: does it break things?
290 2011-04-05 01:59:48 <ArtForz> looks fine here, but I did no trasnactions in the last few days
291 2011-04-05 02:00:11 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, if the power dies it could result in half transactions
292 2011-04-05 02:00:21 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, and potentially a corrupt database iirc
293 2011-04-05 02:00:25 <u2time> wow, only safe place for money is in bitcoins i guess
294 2011-04-05 02:02:05 <Keefe> EvanR: yes i am
295 2011-04-05 02:02:41 <Keefe> EvanR: join -otc
296 2011-04-05 02:03:09 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, so basically it's much faster, but the odds that the entire database (which appears to include the wallet!!) is corrupt
297 2011-04-05 02:03:14 <phantomcircuit> are much higher
298 2011-04-05 02:06:27 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, also it just prints a message on my system and dies
299 2011-04-05 02:06:43 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: did you install DBD::SQLite?
300 2011-04-05 02:07:11 <phantomcircuit> nope
301 2011-04-05 02:07:19 <phantomcircuit> didn't get a meaningful error though :P
302 2011-04-05 02:08:27 <lolurfaec> Hi everyone =)
303 2011-04-05 02:12:42 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, ok well that helped but it's still exiting pretty fast
304 2011-04-05 02:14:55 <phantomcircuit> oh it assumes a local node
305 2011-04-05 02:15:00 <phantomcircuit> no real bootstrap
306 2011-04-05 02:15:58 <luke-jr> right, it's a Wallet
307 2011-04-05 02:16:48 <phantomcircuit> looks like it's more than that
308 2011-04-05 02:17:06 <luke-jr> ?
309 2011-04-05 02:17:12 <luke-jr> hope not :P
310 2011-04-05 02:17:26 <phantomcircuit> bah i cant tell
311 2011-04-05 02:21:00 <lolurfaec> Could someone explain to me why bitcoins are going up or down on a comparison to another currency eg. USD?
312 2011-04-05 02:21:31 <nanotube> lolurfaec: supply and demand. just like the price of anything else.
313 2011-04-05 02:22:01 <lolurfaec> So I could possibly be losing money if I change cash to bitcoins right now?
314 2011-04-05 02:22:13 <lolurfaec> As in later BTC could  go down?
315 2011-04-05 02:22:23 <nanotube> yes, you could lose, you could gain - can't predict the future.
316 2011-04-05 02:22:29 <nanotube> just like buying anything else :)
317 2011-04-05 02:22:41 <lolurfaec> Okay.
318 2011-04-05 02:22:48 <lolurfaec> How long does it usually take to get one BTC?
319 2011-04-05 02:23:16 <nanotube> depends on method you use to get it.
320 2011-04-05 02:23:32 <nanotube> e.g. you could probably buy one right now for paypal on OTC if you offer the right price. :)
321 2011-04-05 02:23:35 <lolurfaec> By CPU processing xD
322 2011-04-05 02:23:46 <nanotube> ah
323 2011-04-05 02:23:49 <nanotube> depends on your hash rate
324 2011-04-05 02:23:54 <lolurfaec> hash rate?
325 2011-04-05 02:24:05 <nanotube> how many hashes your cpu can do per unit of time.
326 2011-04-05 02:24:07 <ArtForz> probably about ... way too long
327 2011-04-05 02:24:25 <nanotube> ArtForz: well, one btc with pooled mining... depending on cpu can happen relatively fast. :)
328 2011-04-05 02:24:31 <nanotube> relatively
329 2011-04-05 02:24:42 <lolurfaec> I have one core with 1.2GHZ I think xD
330 2011-04-05 02:24:47 <gjs278> dear god
331 2011-04-05 02:24:54 <lolurfaec> ^I know right =.=
332 2011-04-05 02:25:04 <nanotube> so... you'll probably have about 500khps
333 2011-04-05 02:25:08 <nanotube> ;;bc,gen 500
334 2011-04-05 02:25:14 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 500 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 0.00729084176871 BTC per day and 0.000303785073696 BTC per hour.
335 2011-04-05 02:25:25 <lolurfaec> ...
336 2011-04-05 02:25:31 <nanotube> ;;calc 1/.00729
337 2011-04-05 02:25:38 <gribble> 1 / .00729 = 137.174211
338 2011-04-05 02:26:07 <lolurfaec> what's khps?
339 2011-04-05 02:26:11 <nanotube> about 137 days
340 2011-04-05 02:26:13 <nanotube> kilo hash per second
341 2011-04-05 02:26:18 <gjs278> a way of measureing your speed
342 2011-04-05 02:26:22 <lolurfaec> ^oh fucking god xD
343 2011-04-05 02:26:25 <nanotube> (aka thousands of hashes per second)
344 2011-04-05 02:26:27 <lolurfaec> so I should like, give up right? xD
345 2011-04-05 02:26:28 <nanotube> yes, if you want coin, either throw some better hardware at it, or buy it, or earn it.
346 2011-04-05 02:26:29 <lolurfaec> okay.
347 2011-04-05 02:26:32 <nanotube> difficulty is a measure of how many hashes on average it takes to generate a block.
348 2011-04-05 02:26:37 <lolurfaec> and a block is a set of data?
349 2011-04-05 02:27:06 <nanotube> yes, a block is kind of like a 'record' of some bitcoin transactions, that currently gives you 50btc bounty
350 2011-04-05 02:27:15 <nanotube> consider reading the wiki
351 2011-04-05 02:27:20 <gjs278> don't listen to the nerds
352 2011-04-05 02:27:33 <lolurfaec> lol, I just started reading it.
353 2011-04-05 02:27:36 <nanotube> see ,,(bc,wiki introduction) ,,(bc,wiki how bitcoin works) and go from there.
354 2011-04-05 02:27:38 <gribble> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Introduction | Mar 30, 2011 ... Introduction. From Bitcoin. Jump to: navigation, search. Alice is far away from Bob and wants to buy his Alpaca socks. ...
355 2011-04-05 02:27:41 <lolurfaec> cool, thanks
356 2011-04-05 02:27:47 <nanotube> np, have fun. :)
357 2011-04-05 02:29:35 <lolurfaec> nanotube: how do you know how many hashes it can generate within a set time period?
358 2011-04-05 02:29:59 <lolurfaec> the processor*
359 2011-04-05 02:30:05 <nanotube> it basically depends on your cpu power. a hash takes a certain number of instructions to create
360 2011-04-05 02:30:13 <nanotube> and your cpu can do a certain number of instructions per second
361 2011-04-05 02:30:21 <nanotube> so divide one by the other... and you have how many hashes you can make per second
362 2011-04-05 02:31:48 <lolurfaec> okay, so lets say I had a 4 core processor on 1 GHZ each, how would you set up the equation?
363 2011-04-05 02:31:59 <luke-jr> does such a CPU exist? O.o
364 2011-04-05 02:32:04 <lolurfaec> probs not.
365 2011-04-05 02:32:08 <lolurfaec> i7?
366 2011-04-05 02:32:11 <gjs278> no
367 2011-04-05 02:32:15 <gjs278> i7's dont go that low
368 2011-04-05 02:32:18 <gjs278> also i7's are 8 cores
369 2011-04-05 02:32:22 <gjs278> well
370 2011-04-05 02:32:23 <luke-jr> lolurfaec: that's on the low side, not high
371 2011-04-05 02:32:24 <gjs278> 4 cores
372 2011-04-05 02:32:25 <gjs278> 8 threads
373 2011-04-05 02:32:28 <lolurfaec> i5s? underclocked? xD
374 2011-04-05 02:32:40 <gjs278> sure
375 2011-04-05 02:32:44 <luke-jr> slowest i5 is just 2.x GHz
376 2011-04-05 02:32:47 <lolurfaec> kay.
377 2011-04-05 02:32:50 <gjs278> lower your multiplier
378 2011-04-05 02:32:52 <luke-jr> mine is 3 GHz
379 2011-04-05 02:33:01 <lolurfaec> anyways, doesn't matter. I'm just wondering how the equation would be set up.
380 2011-04-05 02:33:09 <luke-jr> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison
381 2011-04-05 02:33:12 <gjs278> you would have to run the program to find out
382 2011-04-05 02:33:17 <luke-jr> lolurfaec: easiest just to see the real-world numbers
383 2011-04-05 02:33:20 <gjs278> and it will tell you
384 2011-04-05 02:33:42 <lolurfaec> I've ran the proggie for half an hour, it's at 0.00 probably cuz I'm using the comp xD
385 2011-04-05 02:34:00 <nanotube> are you possibly still downloading the block chain?
386 2011-04-05 02:34:04 <lolurfaec> Wait, you can use your videocard to run this program?
387 2011-04-05 02:34:06 <lolurfaec> nanotube: I don't know xD
388 2011-04-05 02:34:09 <lolurfaec> How do you find out?
389 2011-04-05 02:34:18 <nanotube> how many blocks do you see shown in lower right corner of the gui?
390 2011-04-05 02:34:28 <gjs278> no, he's asking why he has 0 coins
391 2011-04-05 02:34:35 <lolurfaec> 54500
392 2011-04-05 02:34:42 <lolurfaec> 547000
393 2011-04-05 02:34:54 <lolurfaec> 54700**
394 2011-04-05 02:35:03 <nanotube> ah you're still dling blocks
395 2011-04-05 02:35:05 <luke-jr> lolurfaec: you'll never get any coins mining with the client from bitcoin.org
396 2011-04-05 02:35:05 <nanotube> ;;bc,blocks
397 2011-04-05 02:35:06 <gribble> 116788
398 2011-04-05 02:35:22 <nanotube> there are just under 117 k blocks now
399 2011-04-05 02:35:30 <nanotube> you don't start generating until you have all the blocks
400 2011-04-05 02:35:43 <lolurfaec> What do they blocks do - what use do they have in the world?
401 2011-04-05 02:35:47 <luke-jr> lolurfaec: if you want to mine, you need GPGPU stuff, and a good Radeon
402 2011-04-05 02:35:52 <lolurfaec> and why do I have to download all the blocks?
403 2011-04-05 02:36:00 <luke-jr> lolurfaec: blocks are bitcoin, more or less
404 2011-04-05 02:36:06 <luke-jr> the program just interprets them
405 2011-04-05 02:36:13 <nanotube> lolurfaec: read the wiki. :)
406 2011-04-05 02:36:19 <lolurfaec> I'm confused now xD
407 2011-04-05 02:36:37 <gjs278> lolurfaec genning on the main client will always keep you at 0.00
408 2011-04-05 02:36:40 <gjs278> like I'm not kidding
409 2011-04-05 02:36:47 <gjs278> you will not get even .00001 of a coin
410 2011-04-05 02:36:58 <lolurfaec> aww seriously. D:
411 2011-04-05 02:37:01 <gjs278> yes
412 2011-04-05 02:37:04 <gjs278> you have to join a pool
413 2011-04-05 02:37:06 <lolurfaec> then isn't the other way to just buy BTC?
414 2011-04-05 02:37:12 <lolurfaec> Wait Pool?
415 2011-04-05 02:37:18 <lolurfaec> What's a pool?
416 2011-04-05 02:37:19 <luke-jr> lolurfaec: or do some work for it
417 2011-04-05 02:37:27 <gjs278> you can only mine blocks in sections of 50 coins
418 2011-04-05 02:38:01 <gjs278> http://mining.bitcoin.cz
419 2011-04-05 02:38:17 <gjs278> you join them, setup your client, and you help out... but you still won't get hardly anything
420 2011-04-05 02:38:18 <lolurfaec> ahh I see
421 2011-04-05 02:38:23 <lolurfaec> hardly? D:
422 2011-04-05 02:38:28 <lolurfaec> Why's that?
423 2011-04-05 02:38:30 <gjs278> well
424 2011-04-05 02:38:38 <gjs278> your processor is too slow
425 2011-04-05 02:38:39 <luke-jr> lolurfaec: because everyone else has video cards
426 2011-04-05 02:38:58 <luke-jr> and a good video card is worth like 60 CPUs
427 2011-04-05 02:39:02 <lolurfaec> So they run the program on video cards instead of CPUs?
428 2011-04-05 02:39:06 <gjs278> yes
429 2011-04-05 02:39:08 <gjs278> everyone does
430 2011-04-05 02:39:12 <gjs278> people on cpus gave up a long time ago
431 2011-04-05 02:39:13 <lolurfaec> Is it built in the program?
432 2011-04-05 02:39:17 <luke-jr> no
433 2011-04-05 02:39:19 <gjs278> graphics card is not
434 2011-04-05 02:39:22 <lolurfaec> no
435 2011-04-05 02:39:24 <gjs278> you have to use a program called poclbm
436 2011-04-05 02:39:28 <lolurfaec> the utilisation of the GPU
437 2011-04-05 02:39:36 <gjs278> no gpu on main client
438 2011-04-05 02:39:38 <gjs278> have to use external
439 2011-04-05 02:39:52 <luke-jr> lolurfaec: unless you have a good Radeon, you're still better off buying or earning
440 2011-04-05 02:39:52 <phantomcircuit> it should be noted that i get random crashes from the altest git build
441 2011-04-05 02:40:11 <lolurfaec> luke-jr: How's the Nvidia 8500GT going to do?
442 2011-04-05 02:40:15 <luke-jr> lolurfaec: crap
443 2011-04-05 02:40:21 <luke-jr> lolurfaec: anything nvidia is crap
444 2011-04-05 02:40:28 <lolurfaec> Lemmie read the wiki on why xD
445 2011-04-05 02:40:39 <luke-jr> lolurfaec: my CPU can do better than 8500GT
446 2011-04-05 02:40:44 <lolurfaec> LOL
447 2011-04-05 02:40:47 <lolurfaec> Why's that?
448 2011-04-05 02:40:49 <gjs278> I can pull in 24mh on my cpu
449 2011-04-05 02:40:59 <luke-jr> lolurfaec: 8500GT is a low-end nvidia, and my CPU is high-end
450 2011-04-05 02:41:03 <luke-jr> relatively high-end anyhow
451 2011-04-05 02:41:07 <luke-jr> I guess mid-range
452 2011-04-05 02:41:14 <lolurfaec> oh.
453 2011-04-05 02:41:20 <luke-jr> 8500GT would do about 4 MH/s
454 2011-04-05 02:41:26 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc 4000
455 2011-04-05 02:41:27 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 4000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 2 years, 18 weeks, 1 day, 5 hours, 45 minutes, and 21 seconds
456 2011-04-05 02:41:32 <lolurfaec> D:
457 2011-04-05 02:41:36 <lolurfaec> That'd do slower than my CPU
458 2011-04-05 02:41:41 <gribble> (bc,calc <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "echo The average time to generate a block at $1 Khps, given current difficulty of [bc,diff], is [time elapsed [math calc 1/((2**224-1)/[bc,diff]*$1*1000/2**256)]]".
459 2011-04-05 02:41:41 <luke-jr> my CPU does ,,bc,calc 14000
460 2011-04-05 02:41:46 <luke-jr> my CPU does ,,(bc,calc 14000)
461 2011-04-05 02:41:47 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 14000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 34 weeks, 6 days, 22 hours, 12 minutes, and 57 seconds
462 2011-04-05 02:41:55 <gjs278> haha
463 2011-04-05 02:42:01 <lolurfaec> LOL
464 2011-04-05 02:42:18 <luke-jr> my Radeon does ,,(bc,calc 265000)
465 2011-04-05 02:42:19 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 265000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 1 week, 5 days, 22 hours, 32 minutes, and 50 seconds
466 2011-04-05 02:42:36 <lolurfaec> So the only way you'd get a massive amount of BTC would be by having an epic server/comp?
467 2011-04-05 02:42:57 <luke-jr> lolurfaec: no, the only way you'd get a massive amount would be to custom-build ASICs just for mining
468 2011-04-05 02:43:00 <luke-jr> like ArtForz does
469 2011-04-05 02:43:04 <lolurfaec> ASIC?
470 2011-04-05 02:43:26 <luke-jr> basically a box that does mining in hardware
471 2011-04-05 02:43:32 <luke-jr> and nothing else
472 2011-04-05 02:43:35 <lolurfaec> Wow.
473 2011-04-05 02:43:50 <lolurfaec> BTC's ARE hard to get.
474 2011-04-05 02:44:07 <luke-jr> not really
475 2011-04-05 02:44:18 <luke-jr> just get a job that pays in BTC
476 2011-04-05 02:44:25 <Blitzboom> yeah, you can easily get them by offering goods and services
477 2011-04-05 02:44:25 <lolurfaec> What if you combined the processing power on both your GPU and CPU?
478 2011-04-05 02:44:27 <luke-jr> or exchange some other currency for it
479 2011-04-05 02:44:43 <lolurfaec> So job, actual money, or processing power - lots of it.
480 2011-04-05 02:44:53 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc 279000
481 2011-04-05 02:44:54 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 279000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 1 week, 5 days, 6 hours, 57 minutes, and 51 seconds
482 2011-04-05 02:45:02 <nanotube> lolurfaec: well, just as dollars are hard to get. :) bitcoin wouldn't be that good of a unit of exchange, if anyone could easily get gobs of them
483 2011-04-05 02:45:51 <lolurfaec> nanotube: true. is there a program that tells you the amount of hashes it can create?
484 2011-04-05 02:46:09 <nanotube> every miner tells you its hash rate, generally.
485 2011-04-05 02:46:16 <gjs278> the main client will tell you when you finally start
486 2011-04-05 02:46:22 <nanotube> right
487 2011-04-05 02:46:38 <lolurfaec> Wait, you can mine with not only the original client - but also OTHERS?
488 2011-04-05 02:46:41 <phantomcircuit> wait
489 2011-04-05 02:46:45 <luke-jr> oh, and my pocket computer gets ,,(bc,calc 200)
490 2011-04-05 02:46:46 <phantomcircuit> rofl i just realized something
491 2011-04-05 02:46:47 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 200 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 46 years, 50 weeks, 4 days, 19 hours, 7 minutes, and 16 seconds
492 2011-04-05 02:46:57 <lolurfaec> ^LOL
493 2011-04-05 02:46:57 <luke-jr> lolurfaec: the original client can't mine for crap
494 2011-04-05 02:46:58 <phantomcircuit> you can keep miners from mining by sending them blocks that are un connectable
495 2011-04-05 02:47:12 <phantomcircuit> they'll think it's pointless because they dont have the heighest block
496 2011-04-05 02:47:24 <lolurfaec> luke-jr: so why are they offering the original miner to mine then?
497 2011-04-05 02:47:47 <luke-jr> lolurfaec: back when there were 10 people mining, and nobody figured out how to use video cards, it worked well
498 2011-04-05 02:47:54 <luke-jr> lolurfaec: it will probably be removed soon
499 2011-04-05 02:48:20 <lolurfaec> So now it's all either high end CPUs or Epic GPUs?
500 2011-04-05 02:48:27 <luke-jr> erm, not really
501 2011-04-05 02:48:35 <LobsterMan> ;;bc,stats
502 2011-04-05 02:48:36 <luke-jr> even high-end CPUs cost more electricity than they earn in bitcoin
503 2011-04-05 02:48:37 <gribble> Current Blocks: 116789 | Current Difficulty: 68978.89245792 | Next Difficulty At Block: 116927 | Next Difficulty In: 138 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 18 hours, 7 minutes, and 54 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 81135.38792859
504 2011-04-05 02:48:45 <luke-jr> really just high-end Radeons now
505 2011-04-05 02:48:47 <gjs278> the xeons at work cost nothing...
506 2011-04-05 02:48:49 <lolurfaec> Then why would people generate BTCs?
507 2011-04-05 02:49:01 <Blitzboom> i dont know. they dont
508 2011-04-05 02:49:01 <luke-jr> lolurfaec: people generally *don't* on CPUs
509 2011-04-05 02:49:02 <lolurfaec> if it costed more than electricity
510 2011-04-05 02:49:02 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, ps looks like enablying synchronous writes makes this completely unusable
511 2011-04-05 02:49:10 <gjs278> for what
512 2011-04-05 02:49:16 <gjs278> did you have a stale rate too high
513 2011-04-05 02:49:25 <BurtyB> 40% eff at a guess
514 2011-04-05 02:49:32 <gjs278> well
515 2011-04-05 02:49:36 <gjs278> probably wasnt from that then
516 2011-04-05 02:49:48 <gjs278> why ban tho, they need all they can get
517 2011-04-05 02:50:28 <BurtyB> tbh I thought I was lucky last time they went through and had a kul :)
518 2011-04-05 02:50:29 <lolurfaec> kay. I'm going to bed now, I'll read more on these bitcoins tomorrow =)
519 2011-04-05 02:50:35 <lolurfaec> thanks guys.
520 2011-04-05 02:50:53 <Blitzboom> see you
521 2011-04-05 02:50:53 <gribble> 116789
522 2011-04-05 02:50:53 <luke-jr> ;;bc,blocks
523 2011-04-05 02:51:03 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: bitcoin-pl is almost caught up
524 2011-04-05 02:52:14 <gjs278> so anyways, on poclbm, is it pretty much accepted that it's going to use a single core 100% for my processor? or is there some option I'm missing
525 2011-04-05 02:52:35 <gjs278> I'll do any driver or stream version you tell me and they all seem to do it
526 2011-04-05 02:52:50 <JFK911> havent figured out how to fix this
527 2011-04-05 02:52:51 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, most of the time i've spent on bitcoin-alt was on getting the performance to be reasonable with synchronous on
528 2011-04-05 02:52:53 <gjs278> unless I missed the super combo for 5870's
529 2011-04-05 02:53:13 <[Tycho]> poclbm always uses 0% of my CPU...
530 2011-04-05 02:53:25 <JFK911> [Tycho]: really?  Windows?
531 2011-04-05 02:53:28 <[Tycho]> Yes.
532 2011-04-05 02:53:32 <gjs278> sp3 fixed my windows issue btw
533 2011-04-05 02:53:46 <gjs278> I should have checked the core usage then
534 2011-04-05 02:53:59 <JFK911> [Tycho]: can you describe your arrangement?  i have 7-x64, stream 2.2 and some 10.x version of catalyst
535 2011-04-05 02:54:00 <luke-jr> gjs278: Stream 2.1 works with 0 CPU use
536 2011-04-05 02:54:05 <gjs278> well
537 2011-04-05 02:54:09 <gjs278> 2.1 doesn't even load poclbm for me
538 2011-04-05 02:54:15 <gjs278> because it lacks opencl 1.1 or something
539 2011-04-05 02:54:17 <JFK911> i couldn't downgrade wither
540 2011-04-05 02:54:20 <JFK911> *either
541 2011-04-05 02:56:01 <gjs278> the java miner uses 0% but it seemed to be about 25mhash slower
542 2011-04-05 02:56:37 <JFK911> diablo said it worked better with stream 2.3 and cat 10.9-10.11
543 2011-04-05 02:57:18 <gjs278> I'll have to try that out later
544 2011-04-05 02:57:37 <[Tycho]> java miner doesn't supports long polling
545 2011-04-05 02:58:00 <gjs278> and it also seems to... ramp up? I have no idea, but it starts so slow for awhile
546 2011-04-05 02:58:14 <gjs278> and then like 10 minutes later hits the 300mhash point
547 2011-04-05 02:58:32 <gjs278> I guess this core will be put to work for a bit more then
548 2011-04-05 03:00:43 <[Tycho]> JFK911, windows XP SP3, Stream 2.2
549 2011-04-05 03:01:13 <robblesz> Hey Tycho, I just registered on deepbit, but poclbm-mod.exe returns "wrong login or password"
550 2011-04-05 03:01:37 <[Tycho]> See PM.
551 2011-04-05 03:02:40 <jgarzik> robblesz: poclbm-mod is from geebus and FairUser, right?  I would avoid that, and just use the normal miner.
552 2011-04-05 03:04:48 <CIA-96> bitcoin: mtve * r6b9e5e636648 bitcoin-pl/pem.pm: double spend fixes http://tinyurl.com/4xknbsc
553 2011-04-05 03:04:54 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * rdc1758aba56c bitcoin-pl/data.pm: Bugfix: spentHeight is -1 when unspent http://tinyurl.com/3q44fht
554 2011-04-05 03:04:58 <[Tycho]> Issue resolved :)
555 2011-04-05 03:06:10 <jgarzik> mine, python miner, mine!
556 2011-04-05 03:06:51 <robblesz> When I run GPU crunching stuff, my redraw rate in Windows slows down quite a bit. Is there any way to alleviate that?
557 2011-04-05 03:06:58 <[Tycho]> Yes.
558 2011-04-05 03:07:11 <alias420> robblesz lower your settings
559 2011-04-05 03:07:33 <alias420> -f 60 might help
560 2011-04-05 03:07:44 <robblesz> Excellent, let me try that
561 2011-04-05 03:08:24 <[Tycho]> I want your 600 MH/s :)
562 2011-04-05 03:08:31 <robblesz> should I use vectors?
563 2011-04-05 03:08:43 <alias420> burtyB what kind of setup are you running?
564 2011-04-05 03:08:47 <alias420> 5970?
565 2011-04-05 03:08:47 <[Tycho]> robblesz, shouldn't matter.
566 2011-04-05 03:08:50 <robblesz> -f 60 helped, thanks alias
567 2011-04-05 03:08:58 <robblesz> Okay thank you
568 2011-04-05 03:09:09 <u2time> jgarzik, for that pushpoold  do you have any info on what sqlite3 stuff to setup?
569 2011-04-05 03:09:10 <alias420> I believe that tries to keep your framerate at 60fps
570 2011-04-05 03:09:18 <alias420> fiddle and see what you like
571 2011-04-05 03:09:21 <BurtyB> alias420 a mix of cpumining (~22Mh/s) and a couple of HD5870
572 2011-04-05 03:09:39 <jgarzik> u2time: That is left as an exercise to the reader.
573 2011-04-05 03:09:41 <alias420> a couple 5870 and only 600?
574 2011-04-05 03:09:41 <[Tycho]> It's not exactly the framerate of windows drawing.
575 2011-04-05 03:09:48 <alias420> my single 5870 is pushing 400
576 2011-04-05 03:09:49 <u2time> lol, dang
577 2011-04-05 03:09:57 <u2time> i will read
578 2011-04-05 03:10:01 <[Tycho]> Single 5870 should be around 340
579 2011-04-05 03:10:02 <BurtyB> alias420 i have to slow one of them down due to heat problems atm - already toasted one :)
580 2011-04-05 03:10:07 <alias420> are you overclocking?
581 2011-04-05 03:10:08 <jgarzik> u2time: I'm not gonna work hard to enable potential competitors :)
582 2011-04-05 03:10:13 <alias420> ahhh
583 2011-04-05 03:10:16 <alias420> good reason to slow it down
584 2011-04-05 03:10:27 <alias420> what kind of cooling are you / were you using?
585 2011-04-05 03:10:28 <u2time> jgarzik, whats your donate hash?
586 2011-04-05 03:10:36 <[Tycho]> BurtyB, have you increased your fan speed ?
587 2011-04-05 03:10:56 <BurtyB> need to chop the end off the pcie in another box so I can move it over as atm they are right below each other
588 2011-04-05 03:10:59 <jgarzik> u2time: address?  17NdbrSGoUotzeGCcMMCqnFkEvLymoou9j
589 2011-04-05 03:11:24 <BurtyB> [Tycho] yeah, even going full it reaches 104C which i declared as bad [tm
590 2011-04-05 03:11:36 <alias420> lol my single 5870 needs the upgraded fans I have
591 2011-04-05 03:11:53 <alias420> I can only imagine how  hot two get
592 2011-04-05 03:12:00 <alias420> what kind of temp are you running at?
593 2011-04-05 03:12:14 <alias420> are you in a cold climate? I'm lucky and can open the window half the year
594 2011-04-05 03:13:01 <BurtyB> UK with the window open - room temp is around 25C
595 2011-04-05 03:13:13 <robblesz> my 9600GT running at 17.8Mh/s :D
596 2011-04-05 03:13:51 <alias420> robblesz: you got that in a pool?
597 2011-04-05 03:14:01 <robblesz> Trying out deepbit right now, yeah
598 2011-04-05 03:14:21 <alias420> I've been running bitcoinpool.com the last few days
599 2011-04-05 03:14:28 <alias420> it's pretty good
600 2011-04-05 03:14:34 <alias420> no fees
601 2011-04-05 03:14:36 <alias420> it's a bit smaller than deepbit
602 2011-04-05 03:14:39 <robblesz> I'm using proportional payout, whatever that means
603 2011-04-05 03:14:48 <alias420> about 15 - 20 ghps lately
604 2011-04-05 03:16:08 <alias420> come join bitcoinpool.com no fees!
605 2011-04-05 03:16:20 <alias420> I dont run it
606 2011-04-05 03:16:24 <alias420> I'm just using it
607 2011-04-05 03:16:49 <robblesz> I'll try it out. Looking for a place to park a few hundred users
608 2011-04-05 03:17:38 <[Tycho]> BurtyB, this is not right temp :)
609 2011-04-05 03:17:53 <jgarzik> alias420: well, they keep all TX fees
610 2011-04-05 03:18:05 <alias420> true
611 2011-04-05 03:18:12 <alias420> but those are not always present
612 2011-04-05 03:18:17 <[Tycho]> And they are evil ! :)
613 2011-04-05 03:18:26 <alias420> and the other pools keep those too from what I understand
614 2011-04-05 03:18:30 <alias420> evil?
615 2011-04-05 03:18:40 <robblesz> yeah, it's not exactly clear how they make money from the FAQ
616 2011-04-05 03:18:56 <[Tycho]> robblesz, they don't make money.
617 2011-04-05 03:19:10 <alias420> well those small tx fees
618 2011-04-05 03:19:12 <u2time> jgarzik are you associated with a pool?
619 2011-04-05 03:19:15 <robblesz> Oh there it is: "We keep them."
620 2011-04-05 03:19:17 <alias420> maybe it's enough to break even
621 2011-04-05 03:19:23 <alias420> hosting is pretty cheap these days
622 2011-04-05 03:19:31 <[Tycho]> robblesz, they run their pool on home PC, so they don't need to pay for hosting.
623 2011-04-05 03:19:52 <robblesz> they run it on _a_ home PC?
624 2011-04-05 03:19:59 <[Tycho]> Yes.
625 2011-04-05 03:20:07 <jgarzik> u2time: I'm building a pool hosting service, so kinda sorta.
626 2011-04-05 03:20:11 <[Tycho]> The bad thing is that they don't completely understand how mining works.
627 2011-04-05 03:20:17 <jgarzik> indeed
628 2011-04-05 03:20:27 <robblesz> Hm, so if they keep transaction fees, you're saying that money goes to paying for...
629 2011-04-05 03:20:33 <alias420> lol
630 2011-04-05 03:20:35 <alias420> static-50-53-62-100.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net
631 2011-04-05 03:20:35 <u2time> when  bitcoinpool.com first opened its doors I sent 7Gh/s their way and it brought down their pool
632 2011-04-05 03:20:41 <alias420> at least it's on a static IP
633 2011-04-05 03:20:50 <alias420> I wonder if it's a business account
634 2011-04-05 03:21:11 <[Tycho]> Time to write a complain to their ISP ? :)
635 2011-04-05 03:21:27 <alias420> if not it's only a matter of time before frontier finds them on port 80
636 2011-04-05 03:21:41 <alias420> tycho are you with a certain pool?
637 2011-04-05 03:21:48 <robblesz> I like [Tycho]'s site better, it presents information in a clear way
638 2011-04-05 03:21:49 <u2time> tycho is deepbit
639 2011-04-05 03:21:50 <jgarzik> u2time: if you wanted to have a private pool among friends, or a bitcoind P2P node, xf2.org can host that for you: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3614.msg78994#msg78994
640 2011-04-05 03:21:52 <[Tycho]> Yes, but it'm not evil.
641 2011-04-05 03:21:54 <alias420> ahh
642 2011-04-05 03:22:01 <jgarzik> u2time: no public pool
643 2011-04-05 03:22:04 <alias420> lol explain evil please?
644 2011-04-05 03:22:10 <alias420> I use deepbit sometimes
645 2011-04-05 03:22:20 <alias420> hehe I pool jump between you guys
646 2011-04-05 03:22:33 <alias420> sell some gpu power to the highest bidder!
647 2011-04-05 03:22:39 <u2time> jgarzik, I am trying to setup some private pools I might have to hire you
648 2011-04-05 03:23:05 <alias420> lol u2time are you serious? you need to hire someone to setup a private pool?
649 2011-04-05 03:23:16 <u2time> with long pooling yeah
650 2011-04-05 03:23:23 <u2time> saves like 1%
651 2011-04-05 03:23:29 <u2time> thats almost 2Gh/s
652 2011-04-05 03:23:38 <alias420> did puddingpop opensource that?
653 2011-04-05 03:23:42 <alias420> err didn't he?
654 2011-04-05 03:24:21 <alias420> u2time how large is your private pool that 1% would be 2ghps
655 2011-04-05 03:24:32 <alias420> sounds far fetched to me
656 2011-04-05 03:24:33 <u2time> 20 * .01 = 2
657 2011-04-05 03:25:01 <alias420> you have a 200ghps private pool?
658 2011-04-05 03:25:16 <BurtyB> new world math obv :)
659 2011-04-05 03:25:26 <nanotube> u2time: 1 pct of 20 is 0.2, not 2
660 2011-04-05 03:26:26 <alias420> a 20ghps privatge pool sounds far fetched for him
661 2011-04-05 03:26:35 <gjs278> alias420 what fan are you using on your 5870
662 2011-04-05 03:26:40 <gjs278> accelero?
663 2011-04-05 03:26:42 <u2time> I have almost 50  - 5870's
664 2011-04-05 03:26:52 <gjs278> and what coreclock are you nearly getting 400 at
665 2011-04-05 03:27:04 <u2time> i only get 320 ish per card
666 2011-04-05 03:27:13 <gjs278> what core clock for 320?
667 2011-04-05 03:27:20 <alias420> gjs278 I bought some case with a nice power supply fan
668 2011-04-05 03:27:27 <alias420> have a front drive bay fan
669 2011-04-05 03:27:31 <gjs278> oh... do you didn't replace the fan on the card itself
670 2011-04-05 03:27:42 <u2time> its the default, think 800 clock ish
671 2011-04-05 03:27:46 <gjs278> 850 then
672 2011-04-05 03:27:52 <alias420> and a side vent with heatsych for cpu
673 2011-04-05 03:27:57 <gjs278> well either way
674 2011-04-05 03:28:01 <gjs278> what core clock are you running at
675 2011-04-05 03:28:10 <alias420> I have it a 900mhz
676 2011-04-05 03:28:13 <gjs278> wtf
677 2011-04-05 03:28:16 <alias420> default was 850 on mine
678 2011-04-05 03:28:17 <gjs278> 400 at 900mhz?
679 2011-04-05 03:28:22 <alias420> yes
680 2011-04-05 03:28:25 <gjs278> hmm
681 2011-04-05 03:28:30 <alias420> 400 peak
682 2011-04-05 03:28:31 <gjs278> -v and -w128?
683 2011-04-05 03:28:37 <alias420> -f 0 too
684 2011-04-05 03:28:41 <gjs278> alright
685 2011-04-05 03:28:43 <gjs278> umm
686 2011-04-05 03:28:48 <alias420> nothing else runing
687 2011-04-05 03:28:48 <gjs278> what driver/stream/os
688 2011-04-05 03:28:58 <alias420> sdk 2.2
689 2011-04-05 03:29:01 <gjs278> got it
690 2011-04-05 03:29:19 <alias420> and it fluctuates
691 2011-04-05 03:29:33 <gjs278> ati drivers I'm 11.2 on linux
692 2011-04-05 03:29:37 <alias420> 380 - 400
693 2011-04-05 03:29:44 <gjs278> that's still pretty good for 900 core clock
694 2011-04-05 03:29:53 <alias420> yeah I'm happy
695 2011-04-05 03:29:57 <gjs278> driver version for you?
696 2011-04-05 03:30:06 <alias420> windows latest
697 2011-04-05 03:30:08 <alias420> and sdk 2.2
698 2011-04-05 03:30:10 <gjs278> ah ok
699 2011-04-05 03:30:10 <Kiba> yo
700 2011-04-05 03:30:17 <alias420> I downgraded that and it bumped me up
701 2011-04-05 03:30:17 <Kiba> I wanna test skype
702 2011-04-05 03:30:23 <gjs278> ok
703 2011-04-05 03:30:26 <gjs278> call Skype Test Call
704 2011-04-05 03:30:26 <Kiba> but I have nobody to talk to
705 2011-04-05 03:30:37 <gjs278> echo123 is her username
706 2011-04-05 03:30:46 <gjs278> call it, she talks to you, you talk back, it plays your voice back
707 2011-04-05 03:31:11 <alias420> I'm think about trying to run my old nvidia off that same mobo
708 2011-04-05 03:31:17 <gjs278> I had no luck with that
709 2011-04-05 03:31:19 <alias420> add another 28mhps
710 2011-04-05 03:31:31 <gjs278> actually, you have to be careful too, the nvidia drivers can mess up your opencl badly
711 2011-04-05 03:31:34 <alias420> I'm worried about the heat
712 2011-04-05 03:31:34 <gjs278> like
713 2011-04-05 03:31:39 <gjs278> it tries to override your libraries and shit
714 2011-04-05 03:31:45 <Kiba> how do I test video?
715 2011-04-05 03:31:51 <gjs278> umm
716 2011-04-05 03:31:59 <gjs278> if you want to call me, I will test your video
717 2011-04-05 03:32:04 <gjs278> and tell you how bad you look or whatever
718 2011-04-05 03:32:04 <Kiba> ok
719 2011-04-05 03:32:08 <alias420> lol
720 2011-04-05 03:32:09 <Kiba> lol
721 2011-04-05 03:32:21 <Kiba> so how do I call you?
722 2011-04-05 03:32:27 <gjs278> just gave you my username
723 2011-04-05 03:32:31 <gjs278> in pm
724 2011-04-05 03:32:32 <gjs278> call away
725 2011-04-05 03:32:35 <alias420> so tycho wassup with evil?
726 2011-04-05 03:32:43 <alias420> you just saying that because they undercut you?
727 2011-04-05 03:34:16 <[Tycho]> No.
728 2011-04-05 03:34:44 <gjs278> lol
729 2011-04-05 03:34:47 <gjs278> you have to add me
730 2011-04-05 03:34:51 <gjs278> and then call me
731 2011-04-05 03:34:54 <alias420> lol you going to elaborate tycho?
732 2011-04-05 03:34:58 <gjs278> your main problem is you have the new skype
733 2011-04-05 03:35:03 <[Tycho]> They are swearing at people and calling everyone idiots.
734 2011-04-05 03:35:09 <gjs278> you need skype 2.9
735 2011-04-05 03:35:12 <gjs278> that's the last good version ever
736 2011-04-05 03:35:17 <[Tycho]> Instead of trying to understand the inner working of bitcoin.
737 2011-04-05 03:35:57 <alias420> you dont agree with their mods?
738 2011-04-05 03:36:02 <Kiba> cool
739 2011-04-05 03:36:48 <[Tycho]> I understand WHY they want to lower the number of getworks. But this is not related to efficiency of mining.
740 2011-04-05 03:37:00 <gjs278> trying 11.3 ati... let's see how this goes
741 2011-04-05 03:39:12 <gjs278> 11.3 = slower by 4
742 2011-04-05 03:39:21 <JFK911> 4 what?
743 2011-04-05 03:39:27 <gjs278> mhash
744 2011-04-05 03:39:36 <JFK911> significant
745 2011-04-05 03:39:48 <JFK911> thats a whole Q6600
746 2011-04-05 03:39:52 <gjs278> yeah
747 2011-04-05 03:40:02 <gjs278> I'm thinking of trying the 10.xx drivers drivers
748 2011-04-05 03:40:09 <JFK911> are you on windows 7, gis?
749 2011-04-05 03:40:15 <gjs278> linux
750 2011-04-05 03:40:21 <JFK911> oh.
751 2011-04-05 03:40:34 <JFK911> i'm having the same cpu load thing as you but on windows.
752 2011-04-05 03:40:44 <JFK911> I forced the cpu clock down to deal with it.
753 2011-04-05 03:40:48 <JFK911> obviously thats not optimal.
754 2011-04-05 03:40:49 <gjs278> oh wow
755 2011-04-05 03:40:51 <gjs278> actually
756 2011-04-05 03:41:00 <gjs278> 11.3 isn't making my cpu spike anymore... I think
757 2011-04-05 03:41:06 <JFK911> oh?
758 2011-04-05 03:41:10 <JFK911> nice
759 2011-04-05 03:41:14 <gjs278> yeah it's staying at about 1%
760 2011-04-05 03:41:35 <JFK911> your load average down?
761 2011-04-05 03:41:38 <gjs278> I just lose 4mhash, which is basically the equivalent of 1 core
762 2011-04-05 03:41:49 <gjs278> load average: 0.08, 0.10, 0.08
763 2011-04-05 03:41:56 <JFK911> heh
764 2011-04-05 03:42:06 <JFK911> well on an i7 9xx that will save about 50W
765 2011-04-05 03:42:12 <gjs278> yeah seriously
766 2011-04-05 03:42:19 <gjs278> oh well, I'll stick with this then
767 2011-04-05 03:42:29 <gjs278> gentoo has one extra super unstable test driver that I'm going to try
768 2011-04-05 03:45:07 <gjs278> nevermind, the guy who made the ebuild messed up the versioning in regards to stream... so this will be it
769 2011-04-05 03:45:58 <Kiba> hmm, I can do skype voice and all
770 2011-04-05 03:46:00 <Kiba> good thing too
771 2011-04-05 03:46:38 <gjs278> going 950 core clock, let's see how long before I crash
772 2011-04-05 03:48:13 <JFK911> not crashing here, after weeeeks
773 2011-04-05 03:51:57 <robblesz> I only discovered bitcoin 2 days ago and I am totally obsessed
774 2011-04-05 03:52:19 <bxc> have you made  your millions yet?
775 2011-04-05 03:53:16 <robblesz> planning world domination as we speak
776 2011-04-05 03:56:27 <phantomcircuit> http://imgur.com/gallery/hChLN
777 2011-04-05 03:58:12 <DylanK> Hey guys
778 2011-04-05 03:58:28 <JFK911> hi
779 2011-04-05 03:58:33 <DylanK> Question: Would 123.2Mhash/s be a good speed for hashing?
780 2011-04-05 03:58:37 <DylanK> Or rather, is it?
781 2011-04-05 03:58:53 <lfm> DylanK: thats up to you
782 2011-04-05 03:58:53 <[Tycho]> May be.
783 2011-04-05 03:58:58 <DylanK> Ah
784 2011-04-05 03:59:18 <DylanK> I see. Just wondering what it was in comparison to the average client.
785 2011-04-05 03:59:30 <lfm> ;;bc,calc 123200
786 2011-04-05 03:59:31 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 123200 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 3 weeks, 6 days, 19 hours, 58 minutes, and 44 seconds
787 2011-04-05 03:59:43 <robblesz> DylanK: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison
788 2011-04-05 04:00:28 <lfm> DylanK: so thats the important question, you should get on average 50 bitcoins a month or so
789 2011-04-05 04:00:42 <DylanK> Ok, thanks.
790 2011-04-05 04:00:55 <DylanK> Yea, looks like im getting a little over the average for my graphics card
791 2011-04-05 04:01:15 <DylanK> Also, is that an average if the computer is running 24/7 for a month straight?
792 2011-04-05 04:01:29 <lfm> DylanK: ya it is faster than any CPU but only medium speed for gpus
793 2011-04-05 04:01:32 <robblesz> ;;bc,calc 17800
794 2011-04-05 04:01:34 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 17800 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 27 weeks, 3 days, 15 hours, 18 minutes, and 57 seconds
795 2011-04-05 04:01:39 <robblesz> looool
796 2011-04-05 04:02:56 <lfm> DylanK: it is a month of running wheather you do it all at once or spread out over a year. normally it would be 24/7 ya
797 2011-04-05 04:03:35 <DylanK> I see. Thanks. I'll need to just set some up on a render farm, see how they do
798 2011-04-05 04:04:02 <lfm> DylanK: oh cool you have a farm of those?
799 2011-04-05 04:04:23 <DylanK> Yep, at my school. Bunch of networked multimedia comps.
800 2011-04-05 04:04:41 <DylanK> Im in with the network admin, so he lets me run some botnet-y stuff haha
801 2011-04-05 04:04:50 <lfm> DylanK: cool, I dont have to tell you get permission
802 2011-04-05 04:05:09 <DylanK> of course
803 2011-04-05 04:05:32 <lfm> DylanK: cuz bitcoin is money, it is more sersious than just wasting time hacking
804 2011-04-05 04:06:18 <lfm> DylanK: like the school might think any money you make is theirs
805 2011-04-05 04:06:35 <DylanK> Yea. I can only imagine what it would be like for a hacker with a good 1000-2000 comps in his botnet might be able to make with this.
806 2011-04-05 04:07:03 <DylanK> Well, the school itself dosent really know what the proggie is. The net admin does, but officials  there dont understand the concept
807 2011-04-05 04:07:57 <lfm> DylanK: well you may not be able to count on them never figuring it out, if they ever do you could wind up in serius legal trouble
808 2011-04-05 04:08:30 <robblesz> botnets usually are full of shit hardware
809 2011-04-05 04:09:36 <DylanK> lfm: True. I would need to figure out the legal aspect of that before ever implementing a botnet-type miner proggie.
810 2011-04-05 04:09:52 <DylanK> But I did do the website..... they never paid me... blackmail!
811 2011-04-05 04:10:00 <DylanK> Haha im out, peace
812 2011-04-05 04:10:18 <lfm> bye
813 2011-04-05 04:10:39 <robblesz> a mining botnet would be some serious bad press for bitcoin
814 2011-04-05 04:11:35 <gjs278> damn, the preview drivers for 11.4 are still using cpu
815 2011-04-05 04:12:00 <Kiba> unethical jackass
816 2011-04-05 04:12:56 <phantomcircuit> ;;bc,stats
817 2011-04-05 04:12:58 <gribble> Current Blocks: 116800 | Current Difficulty: 68978.89245792 | Next Difficulty At Block: 116927 | Next Difficulty In: 127 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 16 hours, 36 minutes, and 57 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 81192.13883322
818 2011-04-05 04:13:11 <phantomcircuit> fucking downloading the block chain takes forever
819 2011-04-05 04:13:21 <phantomcircuit> this has been running for hours
820 2011-04-05 04:13:40 <lfm> phantomcircuit: naw, just your system sucks
821 2011-04-05 04:13:50 <JFK911> will it go faster if you forward the port
822 2011-04-05 04:13:51 <robblesz> I read future versions will have a mode that doesn't require downloading the whole thing
823 2011-04-05 04:14:20 <phantomcircuit> lfm, well yes, this system sucks, but that's still really fucking slow
824 2011-04-05 04:15:12 <ThrobbingPython> morning
825 2011-04-05 04:15:23 <lfm> phantomcircuit: there are ways of speeding it up you know
826 2011-04-05 04:15:41 <phantomcircuit> lfm, like what
827 2011-04-05 04:16:20 <lfm> phantomcircuit: predownload a compressed "seed" blockchain archive
828 2011-04-05 04:16:34 <phantomcircuit> oh
829 2011-04-05 04:16:40 <phantomcircuit> that doesn't count :P
830 2011-04-05 04:17:00 <lfm> it is faster
831 2011-04-05 04:20:49 <JFK911> that might be a good idea, now, and maybe they can respin it every 1000 or 5000 blocks
832 2011-04-05 04:22:01 <lfm> JFK911: there was one available a few months ago, it would still help
833 2011-04-05 04:22:46 <phantomcircuit> JFK911, the slow part is verifying transactions/blocks
834 2011-04-05 04:23:02 <phantomcircuit> so that would require trusting 100% the downloaded block chain in order to gain any speed up
835 2011-04-05 04:23:25 <phantomcircuit> ;;bc,stats
836 2011-04-05 04:23:27 <gribble> Current Blocks: 116801 | Current Difficulty: 68978.89245792 | Next Difficulty At Block: 116927 | Next Difficulty In: 126 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 16 hours, 29 minutes, and 6 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 81201.34916433
837 2011-04-05 04:23:38 <JFK911> well if you got a bad block chain you'd have major bitcoin issues, ya?
838 2011-04-05 04:23:42 <JFK911> cant see how it would work
839 2011-04-05 04:23:55 <lfm> phantomcircuit: ya, you have to get it from some place trustworthy
840 2011-04-05 04:24:11 <JFK911> everyone is downloading and running the bitcoin client windows binary
841 2011-04-05 04:24:16 <gjs278> I'll give you mine
842 2011-04-05 04:24:26 <JFK911> how does anyone know that's 'trusted' :)
843 2011-04-05 04:24:38 <gjs278> not much harm I could do anyways
844 2011-04-05 04:24:42 <lfm> JFK911: nope, lots of people run  linux here
845 2011-04-05 04:24:56 <sipa> indeed :)
846 2011-04-05 04:25:15 <sipa> though that percentage may be higher among bitcoin-irc-users rather than just among bitcoin users
847 2011-04-05 04:25:38 <JFK911> right
848 2011-04-05 04:25:59 <phantomcircuit> ok i thought that 8 seconds was a long time to insert 500 blocks
849 2011-04-05 04:26:04 <phantomcircuit> i stand corrected
850 2011-04-05 04:26:16 <JFK911> i dont know what you can do with bitcoins besides buy drugs
851 2011-04-05 04:26:29 <bxc> buy shell accounts?
852 2011-04-05 04:26:36 <bxc> plenty of people seemto be offering hosting
853 2011-04-05 04:26:49 <lfm> yup web servers and such
854 2011-04-05 04:26:56 <gjs278> lol
855 2011-04-05 04:26:57 <JFK911> doesnt sound like setting up linux and tor and all that stuff is going to be the drug shoppers choice
856 2011-04-05 04:27:05 <JFK911> they always seem to like the path of least resistance
857 2011-04-05 04:27:15 <phantomcircuit> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Trade
858 2011-04-05 04:27:30 <alias420> hey did anyone here ever play the bitcoin lottery?
859 2011-04-05 04:27:31 <phantomcircuit> mostly i see hosting/vpn/web design
860 2011-04-05 04:27:49 <phantomcircuit> gambling and alpaca products
861 2011-04-05 04:27:53 <lfm> phantomcircuit: the drug dealers arnt listed there
862 2011-04-05 04:27:58 <phantomcircuit> lfm, yes they are
863 2011-04-05 04:28:03 <phantomcircuit> lfm, under consumables
864 2011-04-05 04:28:07 <alias420> jfk911 I've got my eye on a tab of LSD
865 2011-04-05 04:28:08 <lfm> oh hehe
866 2011-04-05 04:28:12 <alias420> thinking about doing a test
867 2011-04-05 04:28:15 <JFK911> Psychoactive drugs
868 2011-04-05 04:28:36 <phantomcircuit> note: nobody gives a fuck
869 2011-04-05 04:28:41 <JFK911> alias, i did lsd once, many years ago.  it changed my life.
870 2011-04-05 04:28:51 <JFK911> im glad i did it, but i dont think i need it anymore :D
871 2011-04-05 04:29:02 <phantomcircuit> sadly the guys who made 99% of the worlds lsd where arrested
872 2011-04-05 04:29:06 <alias420> you ever try DMT?
873 2011-04-05 04:29:09 <phantomcircuit> guess who had them arrested
874 2011-04-05 04:29:11 <phantomcircuit> guess
875 2011-04-05 04:29:20 <JFK911> alias420: nah, im way too old nowadays :)
876 2011-04-05 04:29:30 <JFK911> phantomcircuit: i remember that story!
877 2011-04-05 04:29:37 <JFK911> 90s bust wasnt it?
878 2011-04-05 04:29:51 <alias420> never too old to visit the tryptamine dimension
879 2011-04-05 04:29:55 <lfm> phantomcircuit: I thot most lsd was made in university chem labs late at night
880 2011-04-05 04:30:05 <phantomcircuit> JFK911, the revolutionary and chief
881 2011-04-05 04:30:18 <phantomcircuit> lfm, it was made by 2 ex harvard chemistry professors
882 2011-04-05 04:30:26 <alias420> leary?
883 2011-04-05 04:30:26 <phantomcircuit> something like 5 gallons supplied the world for a year
884 2011-04-05 04:30:35 <phantomcircuit> alias420, his buddy
885 2011-04-05 04:30:38 <alias420> or are we talking more recent lsd harvard prof
886 2011-04-05 04:30:38 <JFK911> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clyde_Apperson
887 2011-04-05 04:30:39 <phantomcircuit> forgot their names
888 2011-04-05 04:30:57 <gjs278> names were jessie pinkman and walter white
889 2011-04-05 04:31:04 <alias420> hahahaha
890 2011-04-05 04:31:07 <alias420> such a good show
891 2011-04-05 04:31:17 <alias420> lol and meth is available on one of those sites too
892 2011-04-05 04:31:22 <alias420> has anyone here ever ordered?
893 2011-04-05 04:31:24 <gjs278> we should try and get promod in an episode
894 2011-04-05 04:31:27 <phantomcircuit> uh
895 2011-04-05 04:31:28 <phantomcircuit> no
896 2011-04-05 04:31:38 <JFK911> why cant you shake n bake the meth yourself?
897 2011-04-05 04:31:43 <JFK911> i heard thats the new fad
898 2011-04-05 04:31:51 <alias420> lol sorry not order meth
899 2011-04-05 04:31:58 <alias420> I mean order anything from the site
900 2011-04-05 04:32:00 <JFK911> you can do it on the highway, and toss it out the window if it gets "bad"
901 2011-04-05 04:32:34 <alias420> I'm thinking 1 tab of lsd experiment
902 2011-04-05 04:32:39 <lfm> i thot all meth was bad
903 2011-04-05 04:32:48 <alias420> I wish there were at least a couple customer testionials though
904 2011-04-05 04:32:49 <JFK911> heh
905 2011-04-05 04:33:03 <JFK911> after talking about it here on the logged irc, it might be a bad idea.
906 2011-04-05 04:33:07 <lfm> alias420: you can write one for them
907 2011-04-05 04:33:10 <alias420> there are reputable weed delivery places here in canada
908 2011-04-05 04:33:35 <alias420> meaning they are endorsed by community publications
909 2011-04-05 04:34:15 <JFK911> W T F Welcome to Mr Brownstone, the number one TOR site for opiates, we ship worldwide!
910 2011-04-05 04:34:20 <JFK911> *For a limited time only, free 10ml insulin syringe + needle with every purchase*
911 2011-04-05 04:34:21 <lfm> meaning they pay off the mayor and the county cops?
912 2011-04-05 04:34:32 <phantomcircuit> JFK911, yeah i lol'd at that also
913 2011-04-05 04:35:40 <bxc> free insulin!
914 2011-04-05 04:35:43 <alias420> lol
915 2011-04-05 04:36:20 <bxc> so then its not much encouragement to take bitcoin over US
916 2011-04-05 04:36:22 <bxc> D
917 2011-04-05 04:36:26 <lfm> bxc cash out then
918 2011-04-05 04:36:34 <phantomcircuit> but no seriously buying drugs through the mail is a bad call
919 2011-04-05 04:36:45 <phantomcircuit> it makes it a federal mail crime
920 2011-04-05 04:36:50 <phantomcircuit> and those bitches be serious
921 2011-04-05 04:37:15 <lfm> just use a phone instead
922 2011-04-05 04:37:48 <phantomcircuit> yes just let me mail you some hash through your phone
923 2011-04-05 04:37:50 <phantomcircuit> >.>
924 2011-04-05 04:37:59 <lfm> fax it to me
925 2011-04-05 04:38:22 <alias420> phantomcircuit not everyone is in the USA
926 2011-04-05 04:38:41 <alias420> and if the payment is anonymous
927 2011-04-05 04:38:47 <alias420> and you dont put your name on the package
928 2011-04-05 04:38:53 <alias420> good luck proving shit
929 2011-04-05 04:39:05 <phantomcircuit> alias420, possession is a crime in and of itself here
930 2011-04-05 04:39:09 <phantomcircuit> sign for package
931 2011-04-05 04:39:14 <phantomcircuit> cops bust  in 2 seconds later
932 2011-04-05 04:39:15 <phantomcircuit> ownt
933 2011-04-05 04:39:23 <alias420> funny thing that most govs dont publicize is domestic mail doesn't get searched much
934 2011-04-05 04:39:30 <phantomcircuit> yay nazi state
935 2011-04-05 04:39:49 <phantomcircuit> alias420, i've seen the mail sorting place here
936 2011-04-05 04:39:51 <alias420> phantom you need to prove motive
937 2011-04-05 04:39:58 <phantomcircuit> they have drug / bomb sniffing dogs
938 2011-04-05 04:40:02 <phantomcircuit> alias420, lol no you dont
939 2011-04-05 04:40:12 <alias420> ok that's where you live
940 2011-04-05 04:40:14 <alias420> not here