1 2011-04-10 00:07:27 <sacarlson> is there any examples or opensource links that use php to interface to bitcoin?  like on sourceforge.com?
  2 2011-04-10 00:08:56 <sacarlson> like basicly a bank interface to add subract from a mysql database account
  3 2011-04-10 00:20:55 <Mango-chan> S>100btc
  4 2011-04-10 01:25:25 <gribble> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/PHP_developer_intro | Apr 1, 2011 ... Linux Apache MySQL PHP + Bitcoin tutorial. For the sake of this tutorial we assume an Ubuntu server running with PHP. ...
  5 2011-04-10 01:25:25 <sgornick> sacarlson: ,,(bc,wiki php developer)
  6 2011-04-10 01:25:30 <knotwork> sacarlson can't you just use php's exec or system type call to directly run bitcoind to send commands to the daemon bitcoind ?
  7 2011-04-10 01:30:57 <sacarlson> knotwork: well I have found some libs for php to bitcoin now but I had hoped to look at an already created project that I could just modify
  8 2011-04-10 01:31:50 <knotwork> a couple of exchanges released their source code, at least one is in php
  9 2011-04-10 01:32:10 <sacarlson> knotwork: that sounds perfect
 10 2011-04-10 01:34:25 <sacarlson> knotwork:  or just some other method that a group of people add to an account and at the end some activity the group majority picks the address to send the total of the funds
 11 2011-04-10 01:36:31 <sacarlson> I guess what it would end up being is some kind of a trust fund that is owned by the group and later distributed to a single enity with all or a majority of the groups consent
 12 2011-04-10 01:44:34 <knotwork> I wonder if it would be possible to construct a collisionproof hash routine that, given up to the total max number of whole bitcoins could associate each with a specific eight digits one could use in decimals of a spend to designate which address of the st one is voting for
 13 2011-04-10 01:45:33 <luke-jr> st?
 14 2011-04-10 01:45:44 <knotwork> so you could take all addresses issued dividends, assuming they need a whole coin to qualify for dividends, and assign to each a label people can use to refer to them using decimals of a spend to a voting address
 15 2011-04-10 01:46:11 <luke-jr> &
 16 2011-04-10 01:46:13 <luke-jr> decimal sucsk
 17 2011-04-10 01:46:53 <knotwork> well some of the digits, totalling to releatively trivial cost akin to 900 number phone voting type thing or less
 18 2011-04-10 01:47:38 <knotwork> unfortunate side effect though is addresses that hash to higher cost would cost more to vote for
 19 2011-04-10 01:49:35 <knotwork> I am trying to figure out some kind of voting to go with the Galactic (aka General) Retirement Fund shares blockchain and the Galactic (aka General) Mining Corp shares and by extension other tradeable shares based on blockchains
 20 2011-04-10 01:51:31 <knotwork> maybe have some officers or something assign multile choice to vote on then allow each sending address to only send an amount up to 1/1E8 of its balance as it's vote
 21 2011-04-10 01:52:03 <luke-jr> no idea what you're ranting about
 22 2011-04-10 01:52:45 <knotwork> some method a group of people can share control of assets, such as the shares of the assets
 23 2011-04-10 01:53:32 <knotwork> like sacarlson seemed to be talking about: shared control
 24 2011-04-10 01:53:42 <knotwork> thus the term shares
 25 2011-04-10 01:57:39 <sacarlson> knotwork: that sounds more like corporate share ownership
 26 2011-04-10 01:58:59 <luke-jr> long live monarchy!
 27 2011-04-10 02:00:09 <sacarlson> knotwork: I just need a group of poker players to deposit there money in a fund and when the group agree's who's the winner they all or most pass the pot to the winner
 28 2011-04-10 02:01:34 <knotwork> there is oodles of poker code out there surely along with lots of other card games, why not simply compute who won?
 29 2011-04-10 02:01:59 <sacarlson> knotwork: but there should be an out that if something goes wrong they can  all agree that all the money is put back into the pokets from where they came
 30 2011-04-10 02:02:45 <knotwork> so any time only one player wins all others vote to not count that hand?
 31 2011-04-10 02:03:14 <knotwork> so somehow you have to play carefully to ensure a majority of players win off a minority of losers?
 32 2011-04-10 02:03:36 <knotwork> Communist Poker! re-distribute the wealth!
 33 2011-04-10 02:04:25 <sacarlson> knotwork: the game I play is pokerth, you start with a group of people all starting with the same funds it will always end with only one winner that gets the pot
 34 2011-04-10 02:04:35 <knotwork> introduce new but virtual "cards", so that ace high plus poverty beats one pair middle class player?
 35 2011-04-10 02:05:12 <knotwork> if always only one winner, why wont others all vote that "something went wrong" ?
 36 2011-04-10 02:05:39 <sacarlson> knotwork: not sure, good point
 37 2011-04-10 02:06:26 <sacarlson> knotwork: it should also be able to have someone that hasn't lost all there chips yet to exit without loosing everything, like if they get disconected
 38 2011-04-10 02:06:42 <knotwork> their multi hand balance would mitigate it, allow small winners to collect to soften them up so they will let you keep pot when you win big one
 39 2011-04-10 02:07:36 <knotwork> keep their chip balance in their account, as soon as the lose connection they automatically just do let whats already in pot ride
 40 2011-04-10 02:08:06 <knotwork> or maybe even like in brag when run out of money, put aside pot so far, rest of players keep going, if you would have
 41 2011-04-10 02:08:26 <knotwork> won you keep the so far, winner among others gets what was put in since you fell out
 42 2011-04-10 02:09:56 <sacarlson> knotwork: the pokerth already has some fallback in the event of a player not making a move within a time frame they will check or fold with no action taken if failed to move
 43 2011-04-10 02:11:27 <sacarlson> knotwork: I had hoped that maybe no modification would be needed to us pokerth as a game for real money with some side trust interface
 44 2011-04-10 02:12:33 <sacarlson> I have already played one game for real money but only on the trust of one person and when I won he paid me
 45 2011-04-10 02:12:41 <knotwork> maybe just figure that forcing all other players to lose connection is one way of winning
 46 2011-04-10 02:12:54 <Dark_Ghost> hello all
 47 2011-04-10 02:13:18 <knotwork> so dont play for such large stakes it'd be worth while to pay osmeone to sabotage a certain city's electricity to force a player off the net
 48 2011-04-10 02:13:25 <Dark_Ghost> i think i finally lost my wallet due to a format.
 49 2011-04-10 02:13:48 <sacarlson> knotwork: well pokerth has auto fallback in the event that the one player that is acting as the server diconects it auto selects the next in the cue to continue to be the server
 50 2011-04-10 02:13:55 <knotwork> also maybe run correlations to check who was opponents of anyone who ever mysteriously lost connection
 51 2011-04-10 02:14:18 <knotwork> to hope to try to detect who is using botnet to DDOS opponents
 52 2011-04-10 02:14:36 <sacarlson> Dark_Ghost: didn't they teach you to backup your wallet?
 53 2011-04-10 02:15:08 <Dark_Ghost> sacarlson, well, thats why i am here, whats the extention of the wallet file?
 54 2011-04-10 02:15:15 <Dark_Ghost> i might have
 55 2011-04-10 02:15:25 <sacarlson> Dark_Ghost: I think it's *.dat
 56 2011-04-10 02:15:32 <Dark_Ghost> but i don't remember te name
 57 2011-04-10 02:15:55 <Dark_Ghost> well then. time ti hit the /s
 58 2011-04-10 02:16:01 <jgarzik> wallet.dat
 59 2011-04-10 02:16:33 <sacarlson> Dark_Ghost: this is what I see my wallet as /home/sacarlson/.bitcoin/wallet.dat
 60 2011-04-10 02:18:02 <Dark_Ghost> well, poo.. tomorrow i check my deskop, if it's not there, 260 btc into the ether
 61 2011-04-10 02:18:59 <sacarlson> Dark_Ghost: just think those can never be recovered,  over time all the coins will be lost and the last coin will be worth?
 62 2011-04-10 02:20:11 <sacarlson> Dark_Ghost: since the max created coins is 20 mil, and they all get lost over time there will end up with none or just one
 63 2011-04-10 02:20:26 <ArtForz> yep, thanks for increasing the value of the remaining coins by about 0.00124%
 64 2011-04-10 02:20:31 <lfm> haha
 65 2011-04-10 02:28:01 <Dark_Ghost> heh, atleast i did that much good.
 66 2011-04-10 02:28:23 <sacarlson> Dark_Ghost: you found it?
 67 2011-04-10 02:29:17 <sacarlson> Dark_Ghost: format won't erase the contents of the disk, on linux there are tools to recover files from events like that
 68 2011-04-10 02:32:04 <sacarlson> I did find this code for the exchange http://gitorious.org/intersango/master/trees/master  I downloaded it and will take a quick look
 69 2011-04-10 02:32:45 <sacarlson> maybe the trust idea can be used for more than just poker?
 70 2011-04-10 02:34:02 <testing_> ping [Tycho]
 71 2011-04-10 02:35:54 <testing_> Q: Do I just have to fill out the "Your PayPal address for receiving rewards" field with my e-mail to get make your system payout with paypal?
 72 2011-04-10 02:36:12 <testing_> Do I have to leave my bitcoin wallet address empty?
 73 2011-04-10 02:38:14 <Guest75122> The paypal thing was a April 1st joke.  :)    fill your wallet address.
 74 2011-04-10 02:39:39 <nanotube> Guest75122: i'm pretty sure it wasn't
 75 2011-04-10 02:39:58 <nanotube> testing_: seems tycho isn't on, send an email
 76 2011-04-10 02:42:20 <Guest75122> is he really paying with paypal then?
 77 2011-04-10 02:42:25 <testing_> if it was an april fools joke, then someone should tell him it's not april 1st anymore.
 78 2011-04-10 02:42:27 <testing_> :)
 79 2011-04-10 02:43:13 <Guest75122> it appeared on the 1st,  I thought it was a joke
 80 2011-04-10 02:43:34 <testing_> Poor choice of day to announce your new feature.
 81 2011-04-10 02:44:05 <Guest75122> HA.   he never said different in his thread
 82 2011-04-10 02:44:13 <nanotube> Guest75122: he just sells the btc at market, then pays.
 83 2011-04-10 02:45:26 <Guest75122> no additional fee?
 84 2011-04-10 02:45:36 <testing_> also, he says to use the "--currency=PPUSD" with my miner, but how does he know what miner I have.  and he doesnt say which miner it's specific to, so I guess this could be a poor april fools joke.
 85 2011-04-10 02:46:08 <Guest75122> I don't know any miner that uses that switch.
 86 2011-04-10 02:46:21 <testing_> exactly
 87 2011-04-10 02:46:39 <testing_> maybe he just forgot to take his joke offline after the 1st?
 88 2011-04-10 02:49:45 <testing_> "Now I'm planning to add direct mining of USD, EUR and Zimbabwean Dollars in a next week." - I think he's joking.
 89 2011-04-10 02:50:20 <testing_> The USD and EUR are about to become like Zimbabwean's currency if they don't stop printing more of it.
 90 2011-04-10 02:50:55 <Guest75122> anyway,  Put in your BTC address.  He does pay in BTC.
 91 2011-04-10 03:02:22 <hozer> It's a race to the bottom, who can issue new currency faster, Bitcoin miners, the US, or the EU?
 92 2011-04-10 03:03:10 <LightRider> Someone needs to trick all the Boinc people into computing bitcoins for my account
 93 2011-04-10 03:03:29 <hozer> hah
 94 2011-04-10 03:03:30 <LightRider> Someone get on that
 95 2011-04-10 03:03:58 <hozer> I'm getting on going to bed. I've been obsessing over automated trading for too long
 96 2011-04-10 03:09:58 <nanotube> hozer: speaking of automated trading, see your comments on http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=5564.msg83075#msg83075 would be appreciated.
 97 2011-04-10 03:38:07 <JFK911> ;;bc,gen 400000
 98 2011-04-10 03:38:09 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 400000 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 4.88579138234 BTC per day and 0.203574640931 BTC per hour.
 99 2011-04-10 04:19:39 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Daniel Folkinshteyn * r48f04c883f8d supybot-bitcoin-marketmonitor/OTCOrderBook/plugin.py: OTCOrderBook: show link to filtered list of orders when book output > max irc order count. http://tinyurl.com/433cpro
100 2011-04-10 04:32:49 <sss> hi
101 2011-04-10 04:34:09 <testing_> ;;bc,gen 420000
102 2011-04-10 04:34:10 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 420000 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 5.13008095145 BTC per day and 0.213753372977 BTC per hour.
103 2011-04-10 04:34:22 <sss> wo
104 2011-04-10 04:34:24 <sss> wow
105 2011-04-10 04:34:45 <testing_> wow, that BTC per day blows
106 2011-04-10 04:34:54 <testing_> fucking blows
107 2011-04-10 04:35:02 <lfm> thats pretty good actually
108 2011-04-10 04:35:24 <testing_> not to those who've been mining back when it was 1 for the DIFF. :)
109 2011-04-10 04:35:33 <LightRider> ;;bc,gen 25000
110 2011-04-10 04:35:34 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 25000 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 0.305361961396 BTC per day and 0.0127234150582 BTC per hour.
111 2011-04-10 04:35:38 <sss> considering I barely understand any of this
112 2011-04-10 04:35:40 <sss> seems good
113 2011-04-10 04:35:40 <testing_> I made 5000 BTC/month in late '09
114 2011-04-10 04:35:59 <lfm> testing_: ya when a btc was worth 2 cents
115 2011-04-10 04:36:07 <testing_> yup
116 2011-04-10 04:36:51 <gribble> I have 17 registered users with 21 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins.
117 2011-04-10 04:36:51 <LightRider> ;;stats
118 2011-04-10 04:36:59 <sss> how do you protect your BTC wallet?
119 2011-04-10 04:37:04 <sss> only thing i want to know
120 2011-04-10 04:37:05 <lfm> ;;bc,mtgox
121 2011-04-10 04:37:06 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.7676,"low":0.7205,"vol":11764,"buy":0.73,"sell":0.743,"last":0.744}}
122 2011-04-10 04:37:14 <LightRider> dropbox for me
123 2011-04-10 04:37:28 <lfm> sss just dont give it away
124 2011-04-10 04:37:52 <sss> genius concept ;p
125 2011-04-10 04:38:07 <lfm> sss protect it like you protect other valuable files
126 2011-04-10 04:38:11 <retinal> +1 for dropbox, with versioning
127 2011-04-10 04:38:43 <sss> i dont protect any of my files
128 2011-04-10 04:38:46 <sss> none are valuable
129 2011-04-10 04:39:23 <lfm> sss well now you can figure it out, keep it in an accounts private files, dont share passwords etc
130 2011-04-10 04:39:52 <LightRider> truecrpyt if you're paranoid
131 2011-04-10 04:40:01 <sss> im not too paranoid
132 2011-04-10 04:40:03 <lfm> sss or just spend em bofore anyone has a chance to steal em
133 2011-04-10 04:40:08 <LightRider> for a happy medium, zip it and password protect and then dropbox
134 2011-04-10 04:40:20 <sss> im more worried about computer blowing up
135 2011-04-10 04:40:29 <sss> and not being able to access it
136 2011-04-10 04:40:32 <lfm> sss if youd rather just let anyone have your bitcoins then forget I said anything
137 2011-04-10 04:40:58 <lfm> sss oh! you mean like doing backups
138 2011-04-10 04:41:08 <sss> yes backups
139 2011-04-10 04:41:13 <retinal> I think it'd be more likely that someone would break into your house/car than go through the trouble of stealing bitcoins
140 2011-04-10 04:41:13 <sss> this is what I meant to say sorry
141 2011-04-10 04:41:26 <lfm> well copy the wallet.dat file to a backup device then
142 2011-04-10 04:41:43 <sss> mmm
143 2011-04-10 04:41:45 <sss> okay
144 2011-04-10 04:41:53 <lfm> sss only do the backup when you have stopped and exited the bitcoin app
145 2011-04-10 04:41:55 <LightRider> I'm sure they're working on using some type of password system in the client-proper though
146 2011-04-10 04:42:07 <LightRider> so protection in that case would be automatic
147 2011-04-10 04:42:14 <sss> which would be perfect
148 2011-04-10 04:42:15 <sss> :)
149 2011-04-10 04:42:37 <lfm> LightRider: still need to do backups
150 2011-04-10 04:42:40 <LightRider> why do you have to wait to copy after closing program?
151 2011-04-10 04:42:44 <LightRider> yes
152 2011-04-10 04:43:18 <lfm> LightRider: cuz while bitcoin is running it is getting updates from the net all the time, you dont want to backup in the middle of an update
153 2011-04-10 04:43:27 <sss> iReading thorugh the BTC forums was hilarious
154 2011-04-10 04:43:42 <LightRider> do those updates affect your wallet? I thought they affected the chain database
155 2011-04-10 04:43:57 <Kiba> ?
156 2011-04-10 04:44:05 <Kiba> harilious?
157 2011-04-10 04:44:12 <sss> yeah
158 2011-04-10 04:44:16 <Kiba> how?
159 2011-04-10 04:44:17 <lfm> LightRider: well the wallet isnt updated as often as the main block chain files but it still can be
160 2011-04-10 04:44:17 <sss> Some people are insane
161 2011-04-10 04:44:21 <sss> with their theories
162 2011-04-10 04:44:40 <Kiba> sss: ok.
163 2011-04-10 04:44:42 <LightRider> ok, i'll keep that in mind in the future, have been copying while program was live
164 2011-04-10 04:45:16 <sss> more importantly the BTC idea is genius
165 2011-04-10 04:45:19 <lfm> LightRider: there is a command line command to make a live backup but its often easier to just stop it for a few seconds
166 2011-04-10 04:45:23 <Kiba> sss: so you think BTC is a stupid idea?
167 2011-04-10 04:45:28 <sss> no
168 2011-04-10 04:45:32 <sss> I think it's a genius idea
169 2011-04-10 04:45:38 <Kiba> you say it's harilious, their theories?
170 2011-04-10 04:45:48 <LightRider> what theories specifically
171 2011-04-10 04:45:53 <lfm> Kiba: just some of the forum ideas are stupid
172 2011-04-10 04:45:58 <sss> this
173 2011-04-10 04:46:03 <sss> some of the forum ideas are stupid
174 2011-04-10 04:46:07 <Kiba> lfm: I know. Like LightRider's idea is stupid.
175 2011-04-10 04:46:17 <LightRider> har har
176 2011-04-10 04:46:22 <Kiba> for real
177 2011-04-10 04:46:22 <sss> I think BTC as a whole is genius though
178 2011-04-10 04:46:30 <lfm> kiba you mean a password on the wallet?
179 2011-04-10 04:46:31 <Kiba> sss: well, if you don't give me specific, I can't know
180 2011-04-10 04:46:32 <LightRider> btc is a cool idea
181 2011-04-10 04:46:43 <Kiba> lfm: no, I think LightRider's ideas are stupid
182 2011-04-10 04:47:04 <lfm> oh what other ideas has he got?
183 2011-04-10 04:47:20 <Kiba> The Venus Project
184 2011-04-10 04:47:39 <LightRider> people fear and ridicule what they don't understand
185 2011-04-10 04:48:12 <Kiba> LightRider: yeah, whatever.
186 2011-04-10 04:48:14 <lfm> you want to get a rocket to venus?
187 2011-04-10 04:48:20 <LightRider> but  i think that's a topic better suited for #bitcoin-politics
188 2011-04-10 04:48:39 <LightRider> www.thevenusproject.com
189 2011-04-10 04:48:40 <Kiba> LightRider: that's rationalizing. All weird ideas are "ridiculious"
190 2011-04-10 04:48:42 <LightRider> not about space travel
191 2011-04-10 04:48:42 <sss> can i link forum threads in here?
192 2011-04-10 04:48:53 <LightRider> or stupid
193 2011-04-10 04:48:57 <Kiba> the only difference is which ideas are ridicilious and which is genuis
194 2011-04-10 04:49:28 <Kiba> sss: link
195 2011-04-10 04:49:41 <lfm> people also ridicule stupid ideas
196 2011-04-10 04:49:50 <sss> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4817.0 I think that's hilarious
197 2011-04-10 04:49:58 <Kiba> lfm: yes. that's correct. The only question is if the ridicule is justified or not.
198 2011-04-10 04:50:24 <Kiba> sss: it's called not thinking the economic of mining through
199 2011-04-10 04:51:03 <sss> kiba i think you take this too seriously then :p
200 2011-04-10 04:51:10 <sss> if you can't find hilarity of some sort in that
201 2011-04-10 04:51:18 <sss> or  maybe i just dont understand
202 2011-04-10 04:51:20 <lfm> sss: ya people see bitcoin and they think "free money!" and then they get mad when its not as easy as they want it to be
203 2011-04-10 04:51:22 <Kiba> it's very difficult to make me laugh
204 2011-04-10 04:51:22 <sss> could always b e that
205 2011-04-10 04:51:34 <sss> why?
206 2011-04-10 04:51:46 <Kiba> because...I laugh less than others
207 2011-04-10 04:51:49 <Kiba> doesn't mean I don't laugh
208 2011-04-10 04:51:55 <JFK911> someone spent a bunch of 0.05 btc in one transaction
209 2011-04-10 04:51:57 <JFK911> faucet cheater?
210 2011-04-10 04:52:04 <lfm> ss cuz kiba is a sad and  bitter  person
211 2011-04-10 04:52:12 <Kiba> lfm: not at all
212 2011-04-10 04:52:16 <Kiba> I can laugh
213 2011-04-10 04:52:22 <Kiba> I just don't think 90% of jokes are funny
214 2011-04-10 04:52:31 <sss> 90%?
215 2011-04-10 04:52:44 <Kiba> make that 99% of typical funny jokes
216 2011-04-10 04:52:44 <sss> i was thinking sad and bitter :P
217 2011-04-10 04:52:53 <lfm> yes well most humour is about the misfortunes of others, the main exception is puns
218 2011-04-10 04:53:10 <Kiba> lfm: I duck from misfortune
219 2011-04-10 04:53:12 <lfm> and of course puns are the lowest form of humour
220 2011-04-10 04:53:19 <sss> kiba where are you from pal?
221 2011-04-10 04:53:20 <Kiba> I don't laugh at misfortune, I close my eyes
222 2011-04-10 04:53:31 <Kiba> sss: where was I born or where do I live?
223 2011-04-10 04:53:42 <sss> wherever
224 2011-04-10 04:53:48 <Kiba> USA
225 2011-04-10 04:53:54 <sss> Sounds exciting
226 2011-04-10 04:53:55 <Kiba> nowhere, USA
227 2011-04-10 04:53:57 <sss> Im from the USA too
228 2011-04-10 04:53:58 <lfm> I came from my mother's belly, didn't you?
229 2011-04-10 04:54:04 <sss> ;/
230 2011-04-10 04:54:10 <sss> I knew you'd answer like that
231 2011-04-10 04:54:44 <sss> Fits into your profile of some sort :P4
232 2011-04-10 04:54:47 <lfm> you didn't! you are an AI?
233 2011-04-10 04:54:47 <sss> sort*
234 2011-04-10 04:54:51 <Kiba> there's an anime that make laugh a lot
235 2011-04-10 04:55:01 <sss> what anime?
236 2011-04-10 04:55:07 <Kiba> I forgot the name
237 2011-04-10 04:55:10 <Kiba> but it involves time travel
238 2011-04-10 04:55:18 <sss> >.<
239 2011-04-10 04:55:22 <sss> you dont even remember the name
240 2011-04-10 04:55:30 <Kiba> but it made me laugh
241 2011-04-10 04:55:34 <sss> lol
242 2011-04-10 04:55:43 <sss> what about movies?
243 2011-04-10 04:55:46 <LightRider> Kiba and lfm are siblings!
244 2011-04-10 04:55:49 <lfm> I like Monty Python and the Holy Grail. Best movie of all time I think
245 2011-04-10 04:55:50 <sss> any mainstreams movies you found funny?
246 2011-04-10 04:55:57 <Kiba> sss: I dislike most movies
247 2011-04-10 04:56:01 <sss> >.<
248 2011-04-10 04:56:13 <Kiba> people laugh at embrassing situtation
249 2011-04-10 04:56:17 <Kiba> I duck
250 2011-04-10 04:56:19 <sss> wow
251 2011-04-10 04:56:20 <Kiba> so they're not funny to me
252 2011-04-10 04:56:21 <sss> uhhh
253 2011-04-10 04:56:29 <sss> whats the last good movie youve seen?
254 2011-04-10 04:56:35 <Kiba> hmm
255 2011-04-10 04:56:35 <LightRider> Head buried in sand, can't laugh
256 2011-04-10 04:56:45 <lfm> sss: like I said Kiba is a sad and bitter person
257 2011-04-10 04:56:51 <Kiba> sss: hmm
258 2011-04-10 04:56:57 <Kiba> well
259 2011-04-10 04:57:07 <Kiba> Dark Knight
260 2011-04-10 04:57:13 <sss> hmm
261 2011-04-10 04:57:23 <lfm> you thot Drak Knight was funny?
262 2011-04-10 04:57:23 <sss> whats the last good comedy movie youve seen
263 2011-04-10 04:57:29 <lfm> Dark
264 2011-04-10 04:57:36 <Kiba> sss: none that I remember of
265 2011-04-10 04:57:39 <Kiba> lfm: no.
266 2011-04-10 04:57:43 <Kiba> but it's a good movie
267 2011-04-10 04:57:46 <sss> impressive
268 2011-04-10 04:58:09 <Kiba> there's a comedy that lovely but it never made me laugh
269 2011-04-10 04:58:12 <LightRider> Zeitgeist Moving Forward is a great movie, I recommend it highly
270 2011-04-10 04:58:19 <lfm> Kiba ya sad and bitter but good, not as good as the Grail movie tho
271 2011-04-10 04:58:27 <sss> Kiba
272 2011-04-10 04:58:30 <Kiba> lfm: I like Star Trek
273 2011-04-10 04:58:34 <Kiba> but I never laugh once
274 2011-04-10 04:58:38 <sss> Did you read the meditations of marcus aurelius?
275 2011-04-10 04:58:53 <lfm> Kiba: you didnt laugh at the trouble with tribbles?
276 2011-04-10 04:59:02 <Kiba> no
277 2011-04-10 04:59:13 <sss> kiba was that a yes to me or lfm
278 2011-04-10 04:59:23 <lfm> sad and bitter, gotta be, no other possible explanation
279 2011-04-10 04:59:34 <sss> i mean no
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281 2011-04-10 04:59:42 <sss> was that a no to me or him
282 2011-04-10 05:00:10 <Kiba> I am not sad and bitter
283 2011-04-10 05:00:17 <Kiba> I just have asperger syndrome
284 2011-04-10 05:00:20 <Kiba> high functioning
285 2011-04-10 05:00:30 <sss> well now
286 2011-04-10 05:00:37 <sss> that explains why you dont like comedy
287 2011-04-10 05:00:43 <Kiba> how?
288 2011-04-10 05:00:43 <LightRider> aka license to be a dick
289 2011-04-10 05:00:54 <Kiba> license to be what dick?
290 2011-04-10 05:01:09 <sss> due to your lack of experience w/ comedical social situations
291 2011-04-10 05:01:17 <Kiba> no, I did laugh
292 2011-04-10 05:01:18 <lfm> hmm, sounds pretty sad to me
293 2011-04-10 05:01:20 <Kiba> at that one anime
294 2011-04-10 05:01:20 <sss> you dont find humor in situations most people find humorous
295 2011-04-10 05:01:24 <Kiba> because it's harilious
296 2011-04-10 05:01:42 <LightRider> asperger's is on the autism spectrum
297 2011-04-10 05:01:49 <Kiba> LightRider: so?
298 2011-04-10 05:02:14 <Kiba> you just don't like me thinking your idea is a bunch of hogwash or mumbo jumbo
299 2011-04-10 05:02:17 <sss> kiba is aspergers the reason why you're in ths chatroom @ 3:00 am on sunday
300 2011-04-10 05:02:18 <sss> ?
301 2011-04-10 05:02:22 <Kiba> sss: no
302 2011-04-10 05:02:33 <Kiba> it was just an excuse as to why I did not find most situation funny
303 2011-04-10 05:02:39 <Kiba> but truly, I have no idea
304 2011-04-10 05:02:44 <LightRider> i don't like that you can't better articulate your argument other than saying "it's stupid"
305 2011-04-10 05:02:45 <lfm> its only 3 am in a tiny part of the world
306 2011-04-10 05:02:57 <Kiba> LightRider: than you will have to accept that
307 2011-04-10 05:02:59 <sss> im sure kiba's part of that tiny part of the world
308 2011-04-10 05:03:00 <LightRider> that kind of statement doesn't advance discussion or argument of any kind
309 2011-04-10 05:03:04 <sss> unless hes from Cali
310 2011-04-10 05:03:15 <sss> Because everyone in the world lives in NJ, NY or California
311 2011-04-10 05:03:18 <sss> or maybe montreal
312 2011-04-10 05:03:22 <sss> with the occasional london
313 2011-04-10 05:03:26 <Kiba> LightRider: I advanced arguments but you don't accept them. So I decided to call your ideas stupid.
314 2011-04-10 05:03:28 <lfm> sss actually most people are not from there
315 2011-04-10 05:03:36 <LightRider> so i am forced to believe that you have little to no comprehension of what the idea is, so are therefor incapable of rendering any type of informed opinion
316 2011-04-10 05:03:44 <sss> all people in the world are from those 5 locations
317 2011-04-10 05:03:53 <sss> if theyre from somewhere else
318 2011-04-10 05:03:57 <sss> theyre confused
319 2011-04-10 05:04:13 <Kiba> LightRider: I don't need to take serious an idea that's only in the movies and not being executed. When you have a little town with all the new fanged tech, I believe it
320 2011-04-10 05:04:15 <LightRider> but I gave reasons why I didn't accept them, didn't I?
321 2011-04-10 05:04:42 <lfm> sss ra eyou one of those americans that couldnt point at china on a globe?
322 2011-04-10 05:04:43 <LightRider> Well then that's a wholly different opinion than "it's stupid"
323 2011-04-10 05:05:00 <Kiba> LightRider: and that's why your ideas is stupid
324 2011-04-10 05:05:00 <LightRider> so be consistent
325 2011-04-10 05:05:10 <Kiba> it's stupid, mkay?
326 2011-04-10 05:05:11 <sss> China? that's below russia right?
327 2011-04-10 05:05:16 <sss> i'm 60% sure i could ID it
328 2011-04-10 05:05:28 <sss> but you have to realize 1 in 4 americans dont have maps
329 2011-04-10 05:05:48 <lfm> ya between japan and russia with mongolia in there for fun
330 2011-04-10 05:05:49 <Kiba> I don't have time to debate every kooky ideas on the map.
331 2011-04-10 05:06:00 <LightRider> i'm not angry about your opinioni, I just don't want you to act like an ignorant person who can't articulate an argument
332 2011-04-10 05:06:16 <Kiba> LightRider: you called me ignorant? YOu called my knowledge of economic irrevlant
333 2011-04-10 05:06:23 <sss> Kiba
334 2011-04-10 05:06:28 <sss> whats your knowledge of economic
335 2011-04-10 05:06:38 <Kiba> sss: he just say technology will take care of everything
336 2011-04-10 05:06:42 <sss> that proves that the zeitegeist movement can nver work
337 2011-04-10 05:06:50 <sss> However rediculous said movement is
338 2011-04-10 05:06:56 <sss> which is extremely
339 2011-04-10 05:07:03 <Kiba> sss: no, I don't take an ideas that just talk and talk.
340 2011-04-10 05:07:13 <Kiba> wanna do crazy ideas? execute. Don't just talk, execute.
341 2011-04-10 05:07:43 <sss> It could work?
342 2011-04-10 05:07:46 <lfm> bah easier and more fun to just talk, safer too
343 2011-04-10 05:07:51 <sss> maybe theyre just too lazy to execute?
344 2011-04-10 05:07:53 <LightRider> what does your knowledge of economics tell you about how to solve technical problems?
345 2011-04-10 05:07:54 <Kiba> sss: when there is a town, I will investigate.
346 2011-04-10 05:07:57 <sss> :)
347 2011-04-10 05:08:01 <sss> Well
348 2011-04-10 05:08:09 <sss> Everyone I've known who've promoted that movement
349 2011-04-10 05:08:11 <Kiba> LightRider: because economics tell us what technical solutions will succeed, love
350 2011-04-10 05:08:14 <sss> have been major potheads
351 2011-04-10 05:08:20 <sss> so I must assume theyre too lazy
352 2011-04-10 05:08:23 <sss> to "execute"
353 2011-04-10 05:08:56 <sss> however when I go to the venus project website
354 2011-04-10 05:08:57 <Kiba> knowledge isn't something you compartmenize and said "oh, they're not irrevelant"
355 2011-04-10 05:09:04 <lfm> well 90% of the people on irc like to just talk, the other 10% just listen
356 2011-04-10 05:09:05 <sss> I do like the fany structures they've got on there
357 2011-04-10 05:09:06 <sss> :)
358 2011-04-10 05:09:17 <LightRider> really? so everything that is commercially successful and viable today are the best technical solutions we have?
359 2011-04-10 05:09:19 <Kiba> sss: I believe it when they have fancy structures I can see in reality
360 2011-04-10 05:09:19 <sss> i love listening to myself talk
361 2011-04-10 05:09:32 <Kiba> LightRider: no, that's not what I mean
362 2011-04-10 05:09:39 <Kiba> there's no such thing as a free lunch.
363 2011-04-10 05:09:48 <sss> Kiba
364 2011-04-10 05:09:55 <sss> you do need to take into consideration
365 2011-04-10 05:10:00 <sss> the wealthiest individuals lose
366 2011-04-10 05:10:03 <lfm> I had a free lunch once
367 2011-04-10 05:10:03 <sss> in that movement
368 2011-04-10 05:10:15 <Kiba> sss: I don't care about what the wealthiest or the poorest have to gain or lose.
369 2011-04-10 05:10:23 <sss> wealthiest individuals control the world
370 2011-04-10 05:10:31 <sss> they would never allow a project like that to take off
371 2011-04-10 05:10:35 <Kiba> satoshi is the wealthiest individual in the bitcoin economy
372 2011-04-10 05:10:37 <sss> nobody wants to give up their wealth
373 2011-04-10 05:10:40 <LightRider> no, there's no profit on a free lunch, which is what you really mean when give that cliched response
374 2011-04-10 05:10:49 <Kiba> sss: you mean relative wealth
375 2011-04-10 05:10:57 <sss> sure
376 2011-04-10 05:10:59 <Kiba> LightRider: wrong. Everything cost.
377 2011-04-10 05:11:03 <sss> those people would destroy the project
378 2011-04-10 05:11:09 <LightRider> and if there's no profit, there's no reason to promote it
379 2011-04-10 05:11:11 <sss> Just like the reason why cancer hasnt been cured
380 2011-04-10 05:11:13 <Kiba> sss: nice project. I believe it when I see it.
381 2011-04-10 05:11:25 <sss> There are pattens preventing necessary research
382 2011-04-10 05:11:27 <Kiba> profit is just when you get ahead, LightRider
383 2011-04-10 05:11:28 <sss> if they cured it
384 2011-04-10 05:11:35 <sss> too many people would lose money
385 2011-04-10 05:11:37 <lfm> well I think I got a profit of a lunch out of the free lunch I had that time
386 2011-04-10 05:11:52 <Kiba> lfm: well, somebody gottach pay for that free lunch.
387 2011-04-10 05:12:01 <LightRider> there is no getting ahead
388 2011-04-10 05:12:05 <Kiba> sss: I don't give a damn about money and who's the wealthiest
389 2011-04-10 05:12:07 <LightRider> that's the lie
390 2011-04-10 05:12:10 <Kiba> Satoshi Nakmoto is the wealthiest
391 2011-04-10 05:12:11 <Kiba> so?
392 2011-04-10 05:12:23 <lfm> kiba ya, its not as if food grows on trees, oh wait it does
393 2011-04-10 05:12:27 <sss> I'm telling you why that project
394 2011-04-10 05:12:30 <sss> would never work out
395 2011-04-10 05:12:33 <sss> or get anywhere
396 2011-04-10 05:12:39 <LightRider> yes, everyone would lose all their money, but gain everything they would need to live...
397 2011-04-10 05:12:42 <sss> they'd be stopped by a powerful group of individuals
398 2011-04-10 05:12:43 <sss> :)
399 2011-04-10 05:12:45 <Kiba> sss: when somebody reject the study of economics, they're potheads.
400 2011-04-10 05:12:45 <LightRider> i suppose that IS a tough choice
401 2011-04-10 05:13:00 <Kiba> LightRider: no. I want more things. more goods. more services.
402 2011-04-10 05:13:03 <sss> lightrider
403 2011-04-10 05:13:07 <Kiba> I don't care about relative wealth
404 2011-04-10 05:13:09 <sss> heres the problem
405 2011-04-10 05:13:12 <Kiba> I care about absolute wealth
406 2011-04-10 05:13:12 <LightRider> are you asserting that I am under the influence of psychotropic drugs?
407 2011-04-10 05:13:16 <sss> I like being wealthier then overs
408 2011-04-10 05:13:24 <sss> I wouldn't want to give it up
409 2011-04-10 05:13:31 <lfm> LightRider: and if not, why not?
410 2011-04-10 05:13:35 <LightRider> you've been socially engineered into wanting more things
411 2011-04-10 05:13:38 <LightRider> but you don't need more things
412 2011-04-10 05:13:45 <sss> but i want more things
413 2011-04-10 05:13:47 <sss> more more and more
414 2011-04-10 05:13:49 <Kiba> LightRider: when you make assertion like this, you're really a nutcase
415 2011-04-10 05:13:58 <lfm> you dont need more things, you just need more drugs
416 2011-04-10 05:14:10 <sss> lol
417 2011-04-10 05:14:18 <LightRider> i don't use drugs
418 2011-04-10 05:14:18 <sss> kiba
419 2011-04-10 05:14:21 <Kiba> my economic knowledge is a bunch of hogwash?
420 2011-04-10 05:14:24 <sss> you dont find lightrider to be funny?
421 2011-04-10 05:14:38 <Kiba> sss: time for me to ignore his rants
422 2011-04-10 05:14:55 <lfm> LightRider: see
423 2011-04-10 05:15:13 <sss> but you dont find his rants funny?
424 2011-04-10 05:15:16 <LightRider> well, if it is a bunch of self referential nonsense that ultimately argues for a small group of people holding wealth and therefor authority over the majority, then it is hogwash at best
425 2011-04-10 05:15:23 <Kiba> sss: anyway, I guess socially engineered is plausible. It's documented, anyway.
426 2011-04-10 05:15:54 <sss> but you find what he's saying to be insane right? you dont find humor in that?
427 2011-04-10 05:15:58 <lfm> LightRider: well I think people like me should have all the wealth
428 2011-04-10 05:16:03 <LightRider> if you didn't want more, you wouldn't buy more, and you wouldn't feed the unlimited growth paradigm that will ultimately self destruct
429 2011-04-10 05:16:16 <Kiba> sss: irrational people are irrational.
430 2011-04-10 05:16:25 <sss> "unlimited growth paradigm that will ultimately self destruct"
431 2011-04-10 05:16:34 <Kiba> sss: what the fuck?
432 2011-04-10 05:16:35 <sss> do you need a college degree to make a statement like that?
433 2011-04-10 05:16:44 <lfm> well strictly speaking irrational people are purple flamingos
434 2011-04-10 05:16:45 <sss> Kiba I'm quoting lightrider
435 2011-04-10 05:17:04 <Kiba> sss: what's wrong with unlimited growth?
436 2011-04-10 05:17:07 <Kiba> we should have unlimited growth!
437 2011-04-10 05:17:09 <Kiba> paradise!
438 2011-04-10 05:17:20 <Kiba> assuming it's possible
439 2011-04-10 05:17:30 <sss> "which will ultimately self destruct"
440 2011-04-10 05:17:36 <Kiba> I am more for wealth, more things
441 2011-04-10 05:17:37 <Kiba> more goodies
442 2011-04-10 05:17:40 <Kiba> more human love
443 2011-04-10 05:17:44 <Kiba> immortality
444 2011-04-10 05:17:46 <Kiba> and so on
445 2011-04-10 05:18:03 <sss> Im big on immortality
446 2011-04-10 05:18:06 <sss> I love the idea
447 2011-04-10 05:18:11 <sss> I wish I could be immortal
448 2011-04-10 05:18:15 <LightRider> so you believe in breaking the laws of physics...and I'm the guy with stupid ideas...
449 2011-04-10 05:18:19 <Kiba> we should live to the heat death of the universe
450 2011-04-10 05:18:22 <Kiba> and then escape!
451 2011-04-10 05:18:41 <sss> LightRider: Are you A. a pothead or B. a high school dropout or C. a college failure?
452 2011-04-10 05:18:51 <Kiba> I am a college failure
453 2011-04-10 05:18:52 <Kiba> kinda
454 2011-04-10 05:18:58 <lfm> sss no need for name calling
455 2011-04-10 05:19:04 <sss> I'm not name calling
456 2011-04-10 05:19:15 <sss> Im asking which group
457 2011-04-10 05:19:20 <sss> he bests fits under
458 2011-04-10 05:19:22 <Kiba> a grown man told me that working for next to nothing is evil
459 2011-04-10 05:19:24 <Kiba> he's employed
460 2011-04-10 05:19:24 <LightRider> never taken drugs, did awesome in highschool, college wasn't right for me
461 2011-04-10 05:19:26 <Kiba> have children
462 2011-04-10 05:19:27 <Kiba> and all
463 2011-04-10 05:19:31 <lfm> he might be a politician
464 2011-04-10 05:19:36 <sss> ;/
465 2011-04-10 05:19:40 <sss> a politician?
466 2011-04-10 05:19:47 <Kiba> I tell him "Well, my employer gave me food and water and shelter. What did YOU provide?"
467 2011-04-10 05:20:10 <Kiba> and that's surround a theoritical argument
468 2011-04-10 05:20:15 <lfm> my employer just gives me money
469 2011-04-10 05:20:15 <sss> lfm what type of politician
470 2011-04-10 05:20:17 <Kiba> totally different attitude toward life
471 2011-04-10 05:20:17 <sss> :)
472 2011-04-10 05:20:40 <Kiba> I am like a crockroach, even if I am a failure
473 2011-04-10 05:20:42 <lfm> sss I dont know, I dont understand polititcians
474 2011-04-10 05:20:48 <LightRider> by the time I was in college, I recognized the illegitamcy of the system and realized it's not a system to help promote
475 2011-04-10 05:20:59 <sss> LightRider
476 2011-04-10 05:21:04 <sss> thats the difference
477 2011-04-10 05:21:17 <sss> some people realize its not ment to promote
478 2011-04-10 05:21:20 <sss> but they go through it
479 2011-04-10 05:21:29 <sss> and drive 2009 bmw 528 xi's
480 2011-04-10 05:21:31 <LightRider> such is their choice
481 2011-04-10 05:21:32 <sss> others go through it
482 2011-04-10 05:21:34 <LightRider> I promote a better way
483 2011-04-10 05:21:36 <sss> or dont*
484 2011-04-10 05:21:41 <LightRider> for all people, not just me
485 2011-04-10 05:21:41 <sss> then fail
486 2011-04-10 05:21:44 <Kiba> great ideas are that...just great ideas
487 2011-04-10 05:21:47 <sss> and then get some menial job
488 2011-04-10 05:21:49 <Kiba> I believe it when I see it
489 2011-04-10 05:21:54 <sss> and then drive 1997 honda civic's
490 2011-04-10 05:22:00 <Kiba> sss: gimme menial jobs!
491 2011-04-10 05:22:00 <sss> am i right or am i right
492 2011-04-10 05:22:05 <LightRider> science doesn't ask for belief
493 2011-04-10 05:22:08 <lfm> hey civics are cool
494 2011-04-10 05:22:17 <sss> kiba
495 2011-04-10 05:22:18 <LightRider> just effort
496 2011-04-10 05:22:20 <Kiba> but I am too lazy to search for jobs
497 2011-04-10 05:22:21 <sss> i can give you a menial job
498 2011-04-10 05:22:23 <Kiba> rather have bitcoin
499 2011-04-10 05:22:23 <sss> if you want
500 2011-04-10 05:22:32 <Kiba> jobs
501 2011-04-10 05:22:39 <sss> kiba
502 2011-04-10 05:22:43 <sss> I'll employ you
503 2011-04-10 05:22:45 <sss> to do stuff
504 2011-04-10 05:22:46 <sss> for me
505 2011-04-10 05:22:48 <Kiba> like what?
506 2011-04-10 05:22:52 <sss> hmmm
507 2011-04-10 05:22:56 <sss> personal shopper?
508 2011-04-10 05:22:59 <sss> but m groceries?
509 2011-04-10 05:23:02 <lfm> most bmws are pretty ugly actually I think
510 2011-04-10 05:23:03 <sss> deliver them to me?
511 2011-04-10 05:23:15 <sss> buy my
512 2011-04-10 05:23:16 <Kiba> you gimme bitcoin to buy gorcery for you?
513 2011-04-10 05:23:21 <Kiba> I think you have to gimme bitcoin first
514 2011-04-10 05:23:21 <LightRider> economics asks for belief
515 2011-04-10 05:23:23 <sss> I'd pay you in cash
516 2011-04-10 05:23:27 <sss> ;o
517 2011-04-10 05:23:34 <Kiba> I don't trust ya
518 2011-04-10 05:23:42 <sss> i trust me
519 2011-04-10 05:23:48 <Kiba> but I don't know you
520 2011-04-10 05:23:59 <sss> sounds good :O
521 2011-04-10 05:24:02 <lfm> never trust someone who drives a bmw
522 2011-04-10 05:24:19 <sss> lfm i have my eye on you -.^
523 2011-04-10 05:24:21 <sss> like such
524 2011-04-10 05:24:27 <sss> -.^ -.^ -.^
525 2011-04-10 05:24:31 <LightRider> that's why economics is indistinguishable from religion
526 2011-04-10 05:24:39 <sss> lightrider
527 2011-04-10 05:24:46 <sss> we're on a new subject
528 2011-04-10 05:24:52 <LightRider> they all have their holy writers, their patron saints, their multiple sects
529 2011-04-10 05:24:56 <Kiba> ugly cars? who fricking car
530 2011-04-10 05:24:59 <Kiba> it's just a damn car
531 2011-04-10 05:25:06 <sss> kiba
532 2011-04-10 05:25:09 <LightRider> and their disasterous results
533 2011-04-10 05:25:13 <lfm> kiba, naw, some cars are great
534 2011-04-10 05:25:15 <Kiba> fuel efficency, safety...and air conditioning
535 2011-04-10 05:25:17 <sss> can i assume you either ride a bike or use a skateboard?
536 2011-04-10 05:25:23 <Kiba> sss: no
537 2011-04-10 05:25:35 <sss> then you drive a toyota /argument
538 2011-04-10 05:25:38 <Kiba> I would drive a car I have until its engine drop off..or until I can ride bikes
539 2011-04-10 05:25:55 <sss> dont worry pal i cant ride a bike either
540 2011-04-10 05:25:56 <Kiba> sss: drive a fancy car or good looking car. More power to you.
541 2011-04-10 05:25:56 <LightRider> but luckily, like religion, economics will also fade away with time
542 2011-04-10 05:26:02 <Kiba> don't care
543 2011-04-10 05:26:06 <Kiba> people have different hobby
544 2011-04-10 05:26:13 <Kiba> I have bitcoin
545 2011-04-10 05:26:20 <Kiba> and game
546 2011-04-10 05:26:27 <sss> game?
547 2011-04-10 05:26:39 <lfm> farmville?
548 2011-04-10 05:27:00 <sss> ;p
549 2011-04-10 05:27:45 <Kiba> game development
550 2011-04-10 05:27:53 <Kiba> I am trying to crowdfund a game
551 2011-04-10 05:27:59 <lfm> oh like angry birds then
552 2011-04-10 05:28:03 <LightRider> I have a friend doing doctoral work in trying to get people with Autism and the like into the workforce
553 2011-04-10 05:28:17 <sss> LOL
554 2011-04-10 05:28:27 <lfm> LightRider: ya theres a lot of money in that
555 2011-04-10 05:28:32 <sss> i saw that thread on the forum
556 2011-04-10 05:28:39 <sss> I didnt understand the crowfund concept
557 2011-04-10 05:28:54 <Kiba> sss: well, you wanna a game?
558 2011-04-10 05:29:09 <lfm> sss: you get everyone to donate 10 cents and pretty soon you have a billion dollars
559 2011-04-10 05:29:11 <LightRider> The general issue is the general social interaction problems that they face
560 2011-04-10 05:29:34 <Kiba> build it and they will come is not how it works
561 2011-04-10 05:29:36 <LightRider> but they are very capable in doing certain tasks, and having a great wealth of knowledge in certain subjects
562 2011-04-10 05:29:40 <sss> well you wanted to raise 1200 bitcoins?
563 2011-04-10 05:29:45 <Kiba> it took them angry birds 9 year to be succesful
564 2011-04-10 05:29:45 <sss> what would they go towards?
565 2011-04-10 05:29:55 <Kiba> sss: rainy day fund. So I can live a month
566 2011-04-10 05:30:07 <Kiba> plus additional VPS if needed be
567 2011-04-10 05:30:11 <Kiba> but it's jsut a rainy day fund.
568 2011-04-10 05:30:30 <Kiba> but when ya have only a month to live on a rainy fund, you tend to work hard too
569 2011-04-10 05:30:32 <LightRider> If you are successful in your game development, he might be interested in you as a case stud
570 2011-04-10 05:30:34 <LightRider> study
571 2011-04-10 05:30:35 <sss> angry birds didnt take 9 years??
572 2011-04-10 05:30:50 <sss> you can live off of 1200 bitcoins
573 2011-04-10 05:30:51 <Kiba> it takes them 9 years to become an "overnight" success
574 2011-04-10 05:30:52 <sss> for a month?
575 2011-04-10 05:30:54 <lfm> sss 12 years?
576 2011-04-10 05:31:07 <sss> the wikipedia page says 2009?
577 2011-04-10 05:31:13 <Kiba> sss: 400 dollars for rent. 50 dollars for internet. 120 dollars for gas..
578 2011-04-10 05:31:23 <Kiba> some amount for electricty
579 2011-04-10 05:31:26 <Kiba> it all adds up
580 2011-04-10 05:31:35 <Kiba> I think my estimate are too low
581 2011-04-10 05:31:43 <Kiba> and I will have to resist fast foods
582 2011-04-10 05:31:47 <Kiba> fast foods are expensive
583 2011-04-10 05:31:48 <sss> ive spent 1200 on ritz crackers in the past year
584 2011-04-10 05:31:49 <sss> ;(
585 2011-04-10 05:31:52 <Kiba> better to cook food homemade
586 2011-04-10 05:32:02 <sss> now i feel bad
587 2011-04-10 05:32:09 <sss> but how do the people who donate to the game
588 2011-04-10 05:32:10 <sss> benefit
589 2011-04-10 05:32:13 <sss> monetarilly
590 2011-04-10 05:32:15 <sss> or they dont
591 2011-04-10 05:32:20 <Kiba> they get goodies
592 2011-04-10 05:32:24 <Kiba> that nobody else will get
593 2011-04-10 05:32:26 <sss> goodies in the game
594 2011-04-10 05:32:28 <sss> right?
595 2011-04-10 05:32:36 <Kiba> not exactly
596 2011-04-10 05:32:36 <sss> what if the game is horrible
597 2011-04-10 05:32:38 <sss> ?
598 2011-04-10 05:32:46 <Kiba> everyone can buy them. it's just an reward for pledging
599 2011-04-10 05:32:57 <Kiba> sss: they don't have to pay
600 2011-04-10 05:33:05 <Kiba> but if my game is good, their reputation is ruined
601 2011-04-10 05:33:05 <sss> what do you mean?
602 2011-04-10 05:33:11 <Kiba> they pledge
603 2011-04-10 05:33:14 <sss> oh
604 2011-04-10 05:33:15 <Kiba> it's a promise
605 2011-04-10 05:33:22 <sss> i see its only pledges
606 2011-04-10 05:33:28 <sss> upon when the game is finished
607 2011-04-10 05:33:39 <Kiba> they're welcome to pay at any time.
608 2011-04-10 05:33:47 <sss> I see
609 2011-04-10 05:33:55 <sss> but they dont stand to profit @ all
610 2011-04-10 05:34:04 <sss> so its people doing this out of the goodness of their heart
611 2011-04-10 05:34:42 <Kiba> they get the game
612 2011-04-10 05:34:51 <Kiba> they're paying for the product + exclusive access
613 2011-04-10 05:34:53 <Kiba> it works
614 2011-04-10 05:35:03 <Kiba> plus it's public domain anyway
615 2011-04-10 05:35:20 <Kiba> if they want to get a "return" on their investment, they are welcome to try
616 2011-04-10 05:35:23 <Kiba> I don't give a damn.
617 2011-04-10 05:35:34 <Kiba> I get paid to do cool shit
618 2011-04-10 05:35:42 <sss> well
619 2011-04-10 05:35:49 <Kiba> any more profit is smooth icing
620 2011-04-10 05:35:49 <sss> what other games have you made
621 2011-04-10 05:35:56 <Kiba> which gimme money to do even more cool shit
622 2011-04-10 05:35:57 <Kiba> jstet
623 2011-04-10 05:36:01 <Kiba> it's almost complete
624 2011-04-10 05:36:09 <sss> do you have a game
625 2011-04-10 05:36:12 <sss> that i could play now
626 2011-04-10 05:36:13 <sss> on my mac
627 2011-04-10 05:36:16 <Kiba> it's more of a technology learning project than a game development project
628 2011-04-10 05:36:23 <Kiba> sss: just need your chromium
629 2011-04-10 05:36:34 <Kiba> or google chrome
630 2011-04-10 05:36:46 <sss> nevermind then
631 2011-04-10 05:36:49 <sss> i want games
632 2011-04-10 05:36:51 <sss> ~!
633 2011-04-10 05:36:54 <Kiba> you need a modern browser
634 2011-04-10 05:37:00 <sss> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=5266.0
635 2011-04-10 05:37:03 <sss> i just read this thread
636 2011-04-10 05:37:05 <Kiba> firefox 4 doesn't support a technology
637 2011-04-10 05:37:10 <Kiba> so I have to fix that
638 2011-04-10 05:37:18 <Kiba> so firefox 4 users can play too!
639 2011-04-10 05:37:21 <Kiba> it's almost complete
640 2011-04-10 05:37:21 <sss> Future Implications  Google is the Player to Watch Google acquires Social Gold, a virtual currency platform (August 2010) Google acquires Zetawire to look after NFC payments (December 2010) Google releases BitcoinJ, a bitcoin client for Java (March 2011) Google now has 750 staff in payments division!
641 2011-04-10 05:37:24 <Kiba> so there's bugs
642 2011-04-10 05:37:26 <Kiba> and so on
643 2011-04-10 05:37:27 <sss> ok ;o
644 2011-04-10 05:37:32 <sss> so wait
645 2011-04-10 05:37:40 <sss> does google have some type of connection to btc
646 2011-04-10 05:37:50 <sss> in terms of
647 2011-04-10 05:37:54 <Kiba> no. it's just a google engineer's project
648 2011-04-10 05:37:54 <sss> i dont even know what
649 2011-04-10 05:37:59 <sss> oh
650 2011-04-10 05:38:06 <Kiba> conspricy theory?
651 2011-04-10 05:38:16 <sss> i remember reading google employees could do their own stuff :P
652 2011-04-10 05:38:18 <sss> no
653 2011-04-10 05:38:23 <Kiba> Satoshi Nakamoto is ripe for spectulation
654 2011-04-10 05:38:26 <Kiba> 20% project and ya
655 2011-04-10 05:38:30 <sss> not a conspiracy ;P
656 2011-04-10 05:38:46 <sss> I was wondering if they were putting something together
657 2011-04-10 05:38:50 <sss> to make BTC more mainstream
658 2011-04-10 05:39:00 <Kiba> they may
659 2011-04-10 05:39:04 <Kiba> remember, the google engineer
660 2011-04-10 05:39:10 <Kiba> have 20%
661 2011-04-10 05:39:16 <Kiba> to work on this prjoect
662 2011-04-10 05:39:19 <sss> yeah
663 2011-04-10 05:39:25 <sss> 20% time
664 2011-04-10 05:39:28 <sss> or something
665 2011-04-10 05:39:36 <sss> but google needs to approve it or something
666 2011-04-10 05:39:40 <Kiba> they did
667 2011-04-10 05:39:41 <sss> I came across btc
668 2011-04-10 05:39:47 <Kiba> they did all the officially thing
669 2011-04-10 05:39:53 <sss> through advertising for a game called dragon tales
670 2011-04-10 05:40:05 <sss> everything i find out about btc is more and more fascinating
671 2011-04-10 05:40:06 <sss> i guess
672 2011-04-10 05:40:10 <Kiba> sss: never played it, my comptuer not made to play it
673 2011-04-10 05:40:21 <Kiba> bitcoin sells itself! with a little push
674 2011-04-10 05:40:28 <sss> :)
675 2011-04-10 05:40:45 <sss> kiba
676 2011-04-10 05:40:51 <Kiba> my game doesn't excactly have the viral factor
677 2011-04-10 05:40:54 <sss> how can you live off of 1200 a month
678 2011-04-10 05:40:57 <sss> I dont understand it
679 2011-04-10 05:41:07 <Kiba> you can convert them to dollars, ya?
680 2011-04-10 05:41:12 <sss> do you live in nebraska?
681 2011-04-10 05:41:15 <Kiba> sss: no
682 2011-04-10 05:41:23 <Kiba> I have 450 BTC
683 2011-04-10 05:41:30 <Kiba> add 1200 BTC
684 2011-04-10 05:41:41 <Kiba> but 1200 BTC is probably barely enough to get by
685 2011-04-10 05:41:50 <sss> for a month
686 2011-04-10 05:41:51 <sss> >.>
687 2011-04-10 05:42:01 <sss> thats nothing
688 2011-04-10 05:42:05 <sss> no idea how you get by
689 2011-04-10 05:42:06 <sss> tbh
690 2011-04-10 05:44:16 <Kiba> I lived in my parents' basement
691 2011-04-10 05:44:23 <trievalot> Hey
692 2011-04-10 05:44:34 <Kiba> that's my serect ;)
693 2011-04-10 05:44:34 <trievalot> anywhere i can get the miner for OSX?
694 2011-04-10 05:44:36 <trievalot> 10.6.6
695 2011-04-10 05:44:56 <jrabbit> poclbm works
696 2011-04-10 05:44:59 <sss> oh
697 2011-04-10 05:45:07 <sss> that explains everything
698 2011-04-10 05:45:17 <sss> your parents charge you rent?
699 2011-04-10 05:45:23 <sss> i guess they dont believe in btc?
700 2011-04-10 05:45:28 <JFK911> Do you need to install an OpenCL layer on OSX?  Anyone know?
701 2011-04-10 05:45:39 <JFK911> Or does it come with the OS/Video drivers?
702 2011-04-10 05:45:44 <jrabbit> JFK911: lol....
703 2011-04-10 05:45:49 <jrabbit> 10.6 has opencl.
704 2011-04-10 05:45:52 <Kiba> sss: no. I freeload.
705 2011-04-10 05:46:00 <Kiba> like I said
706 2011-04-10 05:46:01 <JFK911> jrabbit: thanks (I personally don't know.)
707 2011-04-10 05:46:06 <Kiba> 1200 BTC is for rainy day fund
708 2011-04-10 05:46:12 <jrabbit> its advertised :P
709 2011-04-10 05:46:17 <sss> so
710 2011-04-10 05:46:19 <LightRider> I get it, anyone who disagrees with your pet philosophy HAS to be on drugs because you couldn't POSSIBLY be wrong about something you believe in.
711 2011-04-10 05:46:27 <sss> lightrider
712 2011-04-10 05:46:28 <Kiba> yes, I am trying to save
713 2011-04-10 05:46:28 <sss> Wtf
714 2011-04-10 05:46:36 <sss> you havent said anything for 40 mins
715 2011-04-10 05:46:40 <sss> then you come back w/ that?
716 2011-04-10 05:46:47 <LightRider> I was just thinking about why someone would say that I was on pot...
717 2011-04-10 05:47:09 <Kiba> here's how to get bogged down with a nutcase's argument
718 2011-04-10 05:47:11 <sss> because the only 3 people who've ever mentioned the venus project to me
719 2011-04-10 05:47:15 <sss> were on pot
720 2011-04-10 05:47:18 <sss> so i generalized
721 2011-04-10 05:47:20 <Kiba> 1) say lot of plausible things at once. AND LOT AND LOT.
722 2011-04-10 05:47:32 <Kiba> 2) argue with even more points
723 2011-04-10 05:47:38 <Kiba> 3) repeat number one
724 2011-04-10 05:48:03 <sss> genius
725 2011-04-10 05:48:05 <Kiba> or that how you attack
726 2011-04-10 05:48:09 <sss> kiba
727 2011-04-10 05:48:15 <Kiba> and be a general irrational person
728 2011-04-10 05:48:34 <Kiba> you argue one point
729 2011-04-10 05:48:38 <Kiba> not twenty things
730 2011-04-10 05:48:40 <sss> you have no "asperations" to move out of your parents basement?
731 2011-04-10 05:48:50 <Kiba> sss: that's what my rainy funds is for
732 2011-04-10 05:49:01 <jrabbit> rents free.
733 2011-04-10 05:49:09 <LightRider> does the fact that a person may or may not be influenced by some substance imply that the veracity or plausability of their statements are automatically affected? If a person makes a factual statement, are you incapable of checking the statement out because they were under the influence of something?
734 2011-04-10 05:49:24 <Kiba> I don't like my parents' way of doing thing
735 2011-04-10 05:49:25 <sss> yes
736 2011-04-10 05:49:33 <jrabbit> LightRider: he is mad physically incapable when others have thc
737 2011-04-10 05:49:34 <Kiba> building up rainy fund allows me independence
738 2011-04-10 05:49:35 <sss> kiba ask them to change
739 2011-04-10 05:49:48 <Kiba> sss: pfft. I need to change myself.
740 2011-04-10 05:49:50 <sss> ask for more voting power
741 2011-04-10 05:50:11 <sss> tell them you want more Edy's less Welshs Farm!
742 2011-04-10 05:50:27 <Kiba> jrabbit: mad what?
743 2011-04-10 05:50:41 <jrabbit> made*
744 2011-04-10 05:51:00 <Kiba> did ya check out my crowdfunded project?
745 2011-04-10 05:51:04 <LightRider> or are you given such a negative association with anything the state says is illegal that anyone who is associated with it makes everything about them unacceptable as well
746 2011-04-10 05:51:36 <Kiba> my ideal life:
747 2011-04-10 05:51:37 <sss> lightrider
748 2011-04-10 05:51:43 <Kiba> 1. Located near a hackerspace
749 2011-04-10 05:51:44 <sss> so you just admitted to being a pothead
750 2011-04-10 05:51:48 <Kiba> 2. Bare mininum
751 2011-04-10 05:51:48 <sss> amiright?
752 2011-04-10 05:51:57 <LightRider> or did you do your own due dilligence and look into the idea and realize independently that there was no merit to the idea
753 2011-04-10 05:51:57 <sss> a hackerspace
754 2011-04-10 05:51:58 <sss> what?
755 2011-04-10 05:52:00 <jrabbit> sss: statist
756 2011-04-10 05:52:09 <Kiba> there ain't anythign wrong with being a pothead
757 2011-04-10 05:52:21 <LightRider> No, i do not use drugs
758 2011-04-10 05:52:23 <Kiba> rather, you should say nutcase
759 2011-04-10 05:52:35 <LightRider> but I don't automatically assume people who do use them are wrong about everything either
760 2011-04-10 05:52:41 <sss> there aint anythinf wrong with being a nutcase?
761 2011-04-10 05:52:54 <Kiba> a hackerspace is a communal gathering of hackers where they to learn stuff
762 2011-04-10 05:52:56 <jrabbit> lol@ pot calling the kettle black
763 2011-04-10 05:53:00 <Kiba> sss: a nutcase is irrational
764 2011-04-10 05:53:18 <sss> kiba
765 2011-04-10 05:53:24 <Kiba> a pothead might be someone like me who use it for medical reasons
766 2011-04-10 05:53:24 <sss> what do you learn at these hackerspaces
767 2011-04-10 05:53:30 <Kiba> hacking
768 2011-04-10 05:53:32 <Kiba> welding
769 2011-04-10 05:53:33 <Kiba> engineering
770 2011-04-10 05:53:37 <Kiba> making things
771 2011-04-10 05:54:00 <Kiba> electrical engineering
772 2011-04-10 05:54:02 <Kiba> the good stuff
773 2011-04-10 05:54:02 <sss> i dont see how they'd work out too well
774 2011-04-10 05:54:10 <Kiba> they're everywhere now
775 2011-04-10 05:54:19 <sss> I assume a lot of people in the hacking world world have ome sort of social problems
776 2011-04-10 05:54:20 <Kiba> you just need to read Hacker News
777 2011-04-10 05:54:28 <Kiba> sss: that's a sterotype
778 2011-04-10 05:54:33 <sss> i dont see how social gatherings work
779 2011-04-10 05:54:35 <LightRider> but I am asking you sss how you determined that the venus project or zeitgeist movement are not sound ideas
780 2011-04-10 05:54:35 <sss> ;P
781 2011-04-10 05:54:40 <Kiba> they come together
782 2011-04-10 05:54:42 <Kiba> and learn stuff
783 2011-04-10 05:54:47 <Kiba> and build stuff
784 2011-04-10 05:54:55 <sss> lightrider
785 2011-04-10 05:54:59 <Kiba> where else would your reprap and makerbot comes from?
786 2011-04-10 05:55:03 <sss> they're not sound
787 2011-04-10 05:55:06 <sss> because i want more
788 2011-04-10 05:55:11 <sss> i like being richer than other people
789 2011-04-10 05:55:23 <LightRider> so you were socialized and made to be greedy
790 2011-04-10 05:55:23 <sss> if i'm an even of other people
791 2011-04-10 05:55:25 <sss> im not happy
792 2011-04-10 05:55:28 <sss> yes
793 2011-04-10 05:55:36 <sss> and i like life being greedy
794 2011-04-10 05:55:44 <sss> and other people like being greedy
795 2011-04-10 05:55:47 <LightRider> fortunately that can change!
796 2011-04-10 05:55:54 <sss> it could
797 2011-04-10 05:55:56 <sss> but lets not change it
798 2011-04-10 05:55:59 <sss> because i dont want to change
799 2011-04-10 05:56:00 <sss> :)
800 2011-04-10 05:56:15 <LightRider> well, some people are more resistant to change than others
801 2011-04-10 05:56:22 <Kiba> jrabbit: so, you saw my project?
802 2011-04-10 05:56:28 <jrabbit> No.
803 2011-04-10 05:56:44 <LightRider> especially if they believe that their behavior or lifestyle is better
804 2011-04-10 05:56:49 <Kiba> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=5465.0
805 2011-04-10 05:56:57 <Kiba> it's this project
806 2011-04-10 05:56:59 <sss> hey
807 2011-04-10 05:57:12 <sss> lightaider
808 2011-04-10 05:57:15 <sss> i dont want to change
809 2011-04-10 05:57:16 <sss> simple
810 2011-04-10 05:57:23 <sss> in my  bitcoin wallet
811 2011-04-10 05:57:30 <sss> what does "8 connections" means
812 2011-04-10 05:57:32 <sss> mean
813 2011-04-10 05:57:35 <Kiba> it's floating on the forum for days and you don't see my project?
814 2011-04-10 05:57:35 <sss> in bottom rght corner
815 2011-04-10 05:57:39 <LightRider> alright then, but that doesn't mean the ideas are not sound, just that you are unreceptive to them
816 2011-04-10 05:57:53 <sss> because im not receptive
817 2011-04-10 05:57:55 <Kiba> it's mean you're connected to 8 peers
818 2011-04-10 05:57:56 <sss> they're not sound
819 2011-04-10 05:58:06 <sss> connected to 8 peers meaning?
820 2011-04-10 05:58:20 <LightRider> no, because you don't want to change
821 2011-04-10 05:58:23 <Kiba> it means you're communicating with other bitcoin nodes
822 2011-04-10 05:58:32 <LightRider> that does not imply anything about the idea, just you
823 2011-04-10 05:58:54 <Kiba> that's how the bitcoin network knows that you send a transaction and stuff
824 2011-04-10 05:58:59 <jrabbit> Kiba: use CC-0
825 2011-04-10 05:59:04 <sss> kiba
826 2011-04-10 05:59:09 <sss> can you explain that to a tech moron
827 2011-04-10 05:59:11 <sss> ;P
828 2011-04-10 05:59:16 <jrabbit> Kiba: some countries don't have public domain, CC-0 takes care of them
829 2011-04-10 05:59:17 <LightRider> but i am satisfied with that answer, thank you for indulging me
830 2011-04-10 05:59:34 <Kiba> jrabbit: I give them the middle figure. but CC-0 is good for that.
831 2011-04-10 05:59:34 <sss> lightrider
832 2011-04-10 05:59:45 <sss> have you watched zeitegeist exposed
833 2011-04-10 05:59:50 <sss> or zeitegeist debunked
834 2011-04-10 05:59:52 <sss> etc etc
835 2011-04-10 05:59:57 <jrabbit> lol zietgiest.
836 2011-04-10 06:00:10 <Kiba> jrabbit: don't focus on the non-promising idea!
837 2011-04-10 06:00:11 <LightRider> yes, they don't make any significant arguments
838 2011-04-10 06:00:20 <Kiba> so, are you going to pledge or not?
839 2011-04-10 06:00:24 <sss> lol
840 2011-04-10 06:00:27 <jrabbit> hmmm?
841 2011-04-10 06:00:30 <Kiba> or you're just not a gamer or you have questions/objection?
842 2011-04-10 06:00:39 <jrabbit> not really intested atm
843 2011-04-10 06:00:41 <sss> kiba
844 2011-04-10 06:00:44 <Kiba> jrabbit: :(
845 2011-04-10 06:00:47 <jrabbit> but I like the kickstarter model.
846 2011-04-10 06:00:48 <Kiba> you rejected me.
847 2011-04-10 06:00:50 <sss> how do you know you could finish the game
848 2011-04-10 06:00:51 <LightRider> but again, this discussion is better on -politics
849 2011-04-10 06:00:52 <sss> in a month
850 2011-04-10 06:00:56 <Kiba> sss: I don't know.
851 2011-04-10 06:01:09 <jrabbit> bitcoin-poltiics?
852 2011-04-10 06:01:13 <LightRider> yes
853 2011-04-10 06:01:18 <jrabbit> sounds nasty considerign the politics in here
854 2011-04-10 06:01:28 <jrabbit> I wouldn't want a condensed version.
855 2011-04-10 06:01:31 <Kiba> jrabbit: politics is a waste of time
856 2011-04-10 06:01:41 <Kiba> who care about defending capitalism?
857 2011-04-10 06:01:52 <sss> ;o
858 2011-04-10 06:01:55 <LightRider> well, this room is logged and specifically for development, it isn't polite to muck up the logs with our argument
859 2011-04-10 06:01:56 <jrabbit> too many :P\n397017
860 2011-04-10 06:02:07 <jrabbit> LightRider: too little too late lol.
861 2011-04-10 06:02:23 <Kiba> politics is a bore
862 2011-04-10 06:02:26 <Kiba> nothing come out of it
863 2011-04-10 06:02:30 <LightRider> i agree
864 2011-04-10 06:02:40 <jrabbit> s/politics/ bourgois politics/
865 2011-04-10 06:02:42 <Kiba> even though I am a capitalist
866 2011-04-10 06:02:45 <jrabbit> ftfy
867 2011-04-10 06:02:55 <sss> kiba
868 2011-04-10 06:02:58 <Kiba> who care about defending capitalism?
869 2011-04-10 06:03:10 <sss> who are these "peers" im connected to
870 2011-04-10 06:03:12 <sss> are they rel
871 2011-04-10 06:03:13 <sss> real
872 2011-04-10 06:03:14 <Kiba> yes
873 2011-04-10 06:03:22 <sss> or some open source robots :O
874 2011-04-10 06:03:26 <Kiba> who care?
875 2011-04-10 06:03:31 <LightRider> you are limited to 8 because you probably haven't set your port forwarding
876 2011-04-10 06:03:40 <Kiba> they started up bitcoin just like you
877 2011-04-10 06:03:42 <Kiba> they're nodes
878 2011-04-10 06:03:58 <sss> qare nodes real
879 2011-04-10 06:04:00 <sss> are*
880 2011-04-10 06:04:12 <Kiba> wehn you wanna send information about spending bitcoin, they relay that information throughout the network
881 2011-04-10 06:04:12 <LightRider> only if you believe in them
882 2011-04-10 06:04:23 <sss> oh
883 2011-04-10 06:04:47 <Kiba> and when soembody wanna send, you help relay the message
884 2011-04-10 06:04:54 <sss> oh
885 2011-04-10 06:04:55 <sss> I see
886 2011-04-10 06:05:00 <sss> its part of the networkings
887 2011-04-10 06:05:05 <sss> on it communicates
888 2011-04-10 06:05:07 <sss> sort of
889 2011-04-10 06:05:18 <Kiba> it communication, alright
890 2011-04-10 06:05:24 <sss> makes sense
891 2011-04-10 06:05:33 <sss> what does the
892 2011-04-10 06:05:38 <sss> "blocks" thing mean
893 2011-04-10 06:05:46 <sss> says 117616
894 2011-04-10 06:05:55 <sss> is that my network id
895 2011-04-10 06:05:57 <sss> ?
896 2011-04-10 06:06:01 <sss> or something similar
897 2011-04-10 06:06:11 <Kiba> no
898 2011-04-10 06:06:17 <mtrlt> no it's the amount of blocks
899 2011-04-10 06:06:20 <mtrlt> found.
900 2011-04-10 06:06:28 <Kiba> go read the bitcoin FAQ
901 2011-04-10 06:06:40 <sss> k brb
902 2011-04-10 06:06:41 <Kiba> common noob questions
903 2011-04-10 06:06:58 <Kiba> not that's there anything wrong with asking questions
904 2011-04-10 06:07:07 <Kiba> it gets repetitive
905 2011-04-10 06:07:46 <Kiba> blocks are information about transaction
906 2011-04-10 06:07:50 <sss> A block is a unit which contains the information of the transactions made after the previous block, plus a transaction which assigns a new coin to the creator of the block. Blocks form a chain from the first block to the latest block. To create a new block you need to spend CPU time, which acts as an unbribable timestamp for the previous transactions. The average rate of block creation in the whole system is 6 / hour
907 2011-04-10 06:08:07 <Kiba> nightie night
908 2011-04-10 06:08:12 <sss> Dont they have a bitcoin FAQ for dummies?
909 2011-04-10 06:08:42 <mtrlt> nope, this is an open source project ;)
910 2011-04-10 06:09:18 <genjix> sss: yeah see wiki
911 2011-04-10 06:09:28 <sss> what do i do w/ my blocks then
912 2011-04-10 06:09:45 <sss> can they kill people
913 2011-04-10 06:09:48 <sss> cuz im down w/ that
914 2011-04-10 06:09:52 <mtrlt> if you find a block, you get 50 BTC
915 2011-04-10 06:10:19 <sss> i def dont understand what block are then
916 2011-04-10 06:10:45 <sss> what's the indictator on the bottom right of my screen that says 117616 blocks?
917 2011-04-10 06:11:10 <mtrlt> the total amount of blocks in the whole network
918 2011-04-10 06:11:18 <mtrlt> not the amount of blocks you've found
919 2011-04-10 06:11:41 <sss> oh
920 2011-04-10 06:11:48 <sss> thats cool
921 2011-04-10 06:17:07 <midnightmagic> ;;bc,stats
922 2011-04-10 06:17:09 <gribble> Current Blocks: 117616 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 1327 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 15 hours, 53 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 87799.77840014
923 2011-04-10 06:17:15 <midnightmagic> lame
924 2011-04-10 06:18:05 <sss> what does that mean difficulty?
925 2011-04-10 06:18:16 <midnightmagic> hrm?
926 2011-04-10 06:18:27 <sss> I dnt get
927 2011-04-10 06:18:29 <sss> what that means
928 2011-04-10 06:18:35 <midnightmagic> what what means?
929 2011-04-10 06:18:37 <sss> "current difficulty"
930 2011-04-10 06:18:41 <sss> "next difficulty"
931 2011-04-10 06:18:42 <sss> etc etc
932 2011-04-10 06:19:01 <stamit> difficulty is proportional to the average time it takes to generate a block
933 2011-04-10 06:19:13 <stamit> (if i got it right)
934 2011-04-10 06:19:14 <witten> the difficulty changes every n blocks
935 2011-04-10 06:19:35 <midnightmagic> yes. Take your current hashes. Then run them through this equation:  (D*(2^32))/(3600*H)  where "D" is the "Current Difficulty" and "H" is your current hashrate in hashes per second. The result will give you how many hours you can expect to wait at that hashrate, on average, before you find a block.
936 2011-04-10 06:19:35 <sss> so if i got this right
937 2011-04-10 06:19:39 <witten> so it's the same difficulty to find blocks for a while, and then it gets more difficult
938 2011-04-10 06:19:45 <sss> bitcoins are generated once a new block is added
939 2011-04-10 06:19:52 <sss> and there's 50 bitcoins per block?
940 2011-04-10 06:20:03 <midnightmagic> sss: for a while, yea. soon there will be just 25.
941 2011-04-10 06:20:50 <sss> so only a few people
942 2011-04-10 06:20:56 <sss> actually acquire bitcoins
943 2011-04-10 06:20:59 <sss> and they sell them
944 2011-04-10 06:21:03 <sss> and propel the market
945 2011-04-10 06:21:14 <stamit> who gets bitcoins is random
946 2011-04-10 06:21:35 <witten> well, I wouldn't say random
947 2011-04-10 06:21:37 <stamit> anyone who mines gets (or might get) them
948 2011-04-10 06:21:55 <witten> more like, bitcoins are randomly distributed amonst ATI customers :)
949 2011-04-10 06:22:00 <stamit> chances are proportional to the CPU power they have
950 2011-04-10 06:22:02 <sss> ATI?
951 2011-04-10 06:22:08 <stamit> now AMD
952 2011-04-10 06:22:15 <witten> ATI video cards are often used for mining
953 2011-04-10 06:22:26 <stamit> ATI GPUs mine faster than anything else
954 2011-04-10 06:22:55 <stamit> they are good for calculating hashes like that
955 2011-04-10 06:23:13 <stamit> like bitcoin requires.
956 2011-04-10 06:23:31 <sss> so only people with ATI/AMD cards get bitcoins
957 2011-04-10 06:23:43 <sss> which in turns gets sold on bitcoin exhcanges
958 2011-04-10 06:23:46 <sss> ,akes sense
959 2011-04-10 06:23:48 <midnightmagic> every 2016 blocks we change difficulty, and we rollover to 25 bitcoins around.. mm.. when we rollover to block number 210000
960 2011-04-10 06:23:59 <stamit> ATI owners just get more
961 2011-04-10 06:24:20 <sss> does everyone get bitcoins eventually?