1 2011-04-11 00:00:16 <Guest1234> Any DSLR users here wish to assist this users request to accept bitcoin?   http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r25722480-Will-DSLR-accept-BTC-for-tool-points
  2 2011-04-11 00:35:31 <dbitcoin> ;;bc,stats
  3 2011-04-11 00:35:33 <gribble> Current Blocks: 117750 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 1193 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 14 hours, 55 minutes, and 36 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 89626.49749582
  4 2011-04-11 01:18:35 <bikcmp> out of curiousity
  5 2011-04-11 01:18:42 <bikcmp> i looked at the source for bitcoin.
  6 2011-04-11 01:18:47 <bikcmp> i connected to the irc net it was using
  7 2011-04-11 01:18:49 <bikcmp> and, like
  8 2011-04-11 01:18:55 <bikcmp> all the bots are dying of sendq errors
  9 2011-04-11 01:20:04 <nanotube> bikcmp: mmm thanks for pointing it out. :)
 10 2011-04-11 01:20:13 <nanotube> someone should... patch that.
 11 2011-04-11 01:20:20 <bikcmp> looks like it's.. nvm
 12 2011-04-11 01:20:21 <nanotube> good thing irc is only one of the possible bootstrapping methods. :)
 13 2011-04-11 01:23:52 <lfm> bikcmp: you wouldn't happen to have some idea why this was suddenly happening now would you?
 14 2011-04-11 01:25:21 <AAA_awright> I thought IRC was taken out
 15 2011-04-11 01:25:29 <AAA_awright> What is this about
 16 2011-04-11 01:25:56 <lfm> AAA_awright: only if you use -noirq or -connect command line options
 17 2011-04-11 01:26:12 <AAA_awright> No, like, taken out
 18 2011-04-11 01:26:33 <AAA_awright> Unless -noirq does some magic to your executable to remove it
 19 2011-04-11 01:26:39 <AAA_awright> irq?
 20 2011-04-11 01:26:59 <bikcmp> lfm: no idea.
 21 2011-04-11 01:27:07 <bikcmp> lfm: i'm assuming you run lfnet or w/e?
 22 2011-04-11 01:27:08 <lfm> why would it be taken out?
 23 2011-04-11 01:27:23 <bikcmp> interesting, i'm trying to compile my own version of it and having issues
 24 2011-04-11 01:27:37 <bikcmp> headers.h:43: fatal error: db_cxx.h: no such file/directory
 25 2011-04-11 01:27:59 <lfm> bikcmp: check the readme
 26 2011-04-11 01:28:27 <bikcmp> checked...
 27 2011-04-11 01:28:31 <bikcmp> i'm using git.
 28 2011-04-11 01:28:32 <lfm> bikcmp: I'm not the real lfm
 29 2011-04-11 01:28:49 <bikcmp> what?
 30 2011-04-11 01:29:33 <luke-jr> bikcmp: Gentoo?
 31 2011-04-11 01:29:38 <bikcmp> nope
 32 2011-04-11 01:29:39 <bikcmp> ubuntu.
 33 2011-04-11 01:30:05 <luke-jr> bikcmp: make -f makefile.unix bitcoind DEBUGFLAGS="-I/usr/include/db4.8"
 34 2011-04-11 01:30:14 <luke-jr> if db4.8 doesn't exist, try another ver
 35 2011-04-11 01:30:35 <lfm> ya, all covered in the readme
 36 2011-04-11 01:30:49 <bikcmp> no, it wasn't :)
 37 2011-04-11 01:31:58 <lfm> well seems pretty obvious you dont have the right libs installed as per the readme
 38 2011-04-11 01:32:13 <bikcmp> the readme covered none of this.
 39 2011-04-11 01:32:26 <bikcmp> either way, fixed now, thanks
 40 2011-04-11 01:32:31 <bikcmp> should be anyway
 41 2011-04-11 01:32:33 <lfm> your welcome
 42 2011-04-11 01:35:40 <lfm> AAA_awright: oh, typo, not irq, -noirc
 43 2011-04-11 01:36:41 <bikcmp> uh
 44 2011-04-11 01:36:50 <bikcmp> http://pastebin.com/vJ4zHtGK
 45 2011-04-11 01:36:51 <bikcmp> lol
 46 2011-04-11 01:38:14 <lfm> yup, lol
 47 2011-04-11 01:38:23 <bikcmp> god i have bad luck
 48 2011-04-11 01:38:49 <lfm> bikcmp: ok the name of the readme file I ment is build-unix.txt
 49 2011-04-11 01:38:58 <bikcmp> oh, okay.
 50 2011-04-11 01:49:37 <CIA-89> bitcoin: phantomcircuit * r82d3a1d5575c bitcoin-alt/bitcoin/peer.py: fixed quick loop of ping's if only a single block is sent without anything immediately after it http://tinyurl.com/65vcu4q
 51 2011-04-11 01:50:49 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, db4.7 was deprecated about a week ago
 52 2011-04-11 02:09:02 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: so?
 53 2011-04-11 02:09:20 <phantomcircuit> so nobody should have anything but 4.8
 54 2011-04-11 02:09:23 <luke-jr> lfm: makefile.unix doesn't work on Gentoo or Ubuntu without hacking
 55 2011-04-11 02:09:29 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: 5.x
 56 2011-04-11 02:09:55 <luke-jr> also, deprecated takes time to propagate
 57 2011-04-11 02:10:19 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, gentoo only deprecates things once they're not used by any stable packages
 58 2011-04-11 02:10:40 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: Debian never deprecates things except on its own schedule, also
 59 2011-04-11 02:10:46 <luke-jr> same for any stable OS
 60 2011-04-11 02:11:07 <phantomcircuit> gentoo deprecates stuff all the time based on when things are marked stable
 61 2011-04-11 02:11:21 <gjs278> yes and I hate that
 62 2011-04-11 02:11:32 <gjs278> especially when they remove old software I still use and then I have to mask it forever
 63 2011-04-11 02:11:45 <phantomcircuit> deprecate on gentoo basically means that there is no package for which the latest stable depends on that package
 64 2011-04-11 02:11:46 <gjs278> or go through the process of grabbing the ebuild from an archive and adding it to an overlay
 65 2011-04-11 02:12:11 <phantomcircuit> gjs278, the old mysql query browser comes to mind
 66 2011-04-11 02:12:18 <gjs278> skype comes in mind
 67 2011-04-11 02:12:30 <gjs278> why they got rid of 2.0.0.72 is a mystery
 68 2011-04-11 02:12:41 <gjs278> new version is total trash and doesn't even load up for half the people
 69 2011-04-11 02:12:44 <phantomcircuit> uh
 70 2011-04-11 02:12:54 <phantomcircuit> iirc there was a serious security issue
 71 2011-04-11 02:12:58 <gjs278> lol
 72 2011-04-11 02:13:05 <phantomcircuit> shocker
 73 2011-04-11 02:14:04 <phantomcircuit> http://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2010-3136
 74 2011-04-11 02:14:05 <phantomcircuit> rofl
 75 2011-04-11 02:14:36 <phantomcircuit> yeah
 76 2011-04-11 02:18:29 <gjs278> well that one is definitely a dll problem one, but I'm trying to look for the security announcement about skype 2.0.0.72 on linux
 77 2011-04-11 02:19:31 <gjs278> the only feature I'm missing out on is the record your desktop as a webcam feature but I have got that working with a bit of work and v4l
 78 2011-04-11 02:29:18 <phantomcircuit> oh
 79 2011-04-11 02:29:32 <phantomcircuit> gjs278, skype works better with qt-static btw
 80 2011-04-11 02:29:39 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Daniel Folkinshteyn * rc359312e1ef3 supybot-bitcoin-marketmonitor/OTCWebsite/otcstyle.css: OTCWebsite: improve appearance and alignment of filter notice http://tinyurl.com/43vexhd
 81 2011-04-11 02:46:15 <gjs278> phantomcircuit oh I know, but then it ignores my precious theme
 82 2011-04-11 02:46:32 <phantomcircuit> http://pstratem.name/
 83 2011-04-11 02:46:33 <gjs278> worst trade off ever really
 84 2011-04-11 02:46:34 <phantomcircuit> rofl
 85 2011-04-11 02:46:39 <phantomcircuit> LOOK AT MY LOVERYLY WEBSITE
 86 2011-04-11 02:46:58 <gjs278> my favorite part is the lacking of scrolling
 87 2011-04-11 02:47:09 <phantomcircuit> yeah im actually not sure why that is
 88 2011-04-11 02:47:11 <phantomcircuit> OH WELL
 89 2011-04-11 02:47:36 <phantomcircuit> oh yes i am
 90 2011-04-11 03:01:31 <jgarzik> come on miners, mint a new block already, darn it
 91 2011-04-11 03:05:02 <Kiba> jgarzik: yo. how your pastecoin going?
 92 2011-04-11 03:11:37 <mizerydearia> WOOT!!! Randall of XKCD maded http://xkcd.com/bitcoin/
 93 2011-04-11 03:11:56 <mizerydearia> <Randall> here's how far I'll go: if anyone types this URL, they can see a black hole into which they can deposit bitcoins: http://xkcd.com/bitcoin/
 94 2011-04-11 03:17:58 <gjs278> mizerydearia what channel is that in
 95 2011-04-11 03:18:23 <mizerydearia> gjs278, irc.foonetic.net #xkcd-bitcoin
 96 2011-04-11 03:18:44 <Blitzboom> blog post or front page would be nice
 97 2011-04-11 03:18:58 <Blitzboom> but i guess improbable
 98 2011-04-11 03:19:57 <gjs278> meh, blog post wouldnt be asking too much, but he's probably waiting a bit on that one I guess
 99 2011-04-11 03:24:44 <mizerydearia> Blitzboom, He won't mention it anymore than that
100 2011-04-11 03:25:20 <mizerydearia> <Randall> We don't have donations of any kind, actually.  I mean, there are prints you can buy, and you can pay more if you want.
101 2011-04-11 03:25:48 <mizerydearia> <Randall> I only learned about bitcoins a month or so ago.
102 2011-04-11 03:26:22 <mizerydearia> even though I sent an email on 8.24.2010, but Matthew Smoot had replied to me and didn't mention anything to Randall.
103 2011-04-11 03:26:41 <jgarzik> mizerydearia: nice!
104 2011-04-11 03:26:49 <mizerydearia> <Randall> I just set up a bitcoin account, and if you want to send me money there, you're more than welcome to!
105 2011-04-11 03:27:04 <mizerydearia> <Randall> I don't solicit donations on my website, and I have avoided soliciting donations through various systems where I hadn't decided to actively promote those systems (i.e. flattr and bitcoin).
106 2011-04-11 03:27:25 <mizerydearia> <Randall> Like, a lot of people contact me and are like "can you sign up for $PROJECT and we'll get a button on your page and people can donate to you!" and I feel like the main effect of my doing that would be promoting $PROJECT.
107 2011-04-11 03:44:08 <Kiba> so the godfather of bitcoin had an account...at the bitcoin forum
108 2011-04-11 03:44:20 <Kiba> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4945.msg83657#msg83657
109 2011-04-11 03:56:24 <jgarzik> mizerydearia: people are generous: http://blockexplorer.com/address/1Lg2rvxbBPC8jp2YJoV5xL7sdyTjueMUot
110 2011-04-11 03:56:36 <mizerydearia> yep
111 2011-04-11 03:56:39 <mizerydearia> I've been watching
112 2011-04-11 03:56:55 <mizerydearia> Still discussing a bit in #xkcd-bitcoin on foonetic
113 2011-04-11 03:57:07 <mizerydearia> Randall will be buying lots of gin ^_^
114 2011-04-11 03:57:28 <mizerydearia> <Randall> I am probably legally obligated to let you know that I am not a charity and will probably be spending the money on extremely unwise things (i.e. gin)
115 2011-04-11 03:57:54 <mizerydearia> <Randall> and then the bitcoin community will collapse into drunken brawls
116 2011-04-11 03:58:47 <mizerydearia> btw, what is the largest bitcoin transfer in a block viewable at blockexplorer.com ?
117 2011-04-11 03:59:56 <jgarzik> either 200k or 400k
118 2011-04-11 04:00:16 <mizerydearia> jgarzik, Do you know the block number or address or if it is published anywhere?
119 2011-04-11 04:00:28 <jgarzik> mizerydearia: it's mentioned on the forums
120 2011-04-11 04:00:34 <mizerydearia> mm, I'm looking for it
121 2011-04-11 04:02:17 <mizerydearia> Maybe http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=5202.10
122 2011-04-11 04:03:47 <jgarzik> mizerydearia: yep
123 2011-04-11 04:05:10 <mizerydearia> <Randall> so there's this exchange rate, but how much liquidity is there?
124 2011-04-11 04:05:16 <mizerydearia> I'm not familiar with liquidity
125 2011-04-11 04:05:28 <mizerydearia> Anyone wanna come to irc.foonetic.net #xkcd-bitcoin and answer? ^_^
126 2011-04-11 04:05:50 <gjs278> lol
127 2011-04-11 04:05:51 <Blitzboom> let him just see bitcoincharts or mtgox depth data
128 2011-04-11 04:05:52 <mizerydearia> I'm sure the more accurate information he learns, the better he will to understand and accept bitcoin
129 2011-04-11 04:06:00 <mizerydearia> mm, good idea
130 2011-04-11 04:06:16 <gjs278> converting your bitcoins to real money without ridiculous fees is like finding a unicorn
131 2011-04-11 04:06:30 <Blitzboom> uhm & no
132 2011-04-11 04:06:30 <gjs278> best bet is just finding someone directly to buy them over paypal
133 2011-04-11 04:07:36 <gjs278> Blitzboom what website can I visit right now and get the exact exchange rate for my bitcoins and get paid as soon as the confirmation is done to a paypal account
134 2011-04-11 04:07:48 <doublec> coincard
135 2011-04-11 04:07:55 <Blitzboom> ^
136 2011-04-11 04:08:00 <gjs278> isn't coincard prepaid visa cards?
137 2011-04-11 04:08:00 <thermal> just had a thought
138 2011-04-11 04:08:07 <thermal> several thoughts actually
139 2011-04-11 04:08:08 <Blitzboom> no
140 2011-04-11 04:08:12 <gjs278> oh nevermind
141 2011-04-11 04:08:15 <gjs278> that's something different
142 2011-04-11 04:08:18 <doublec> it's prepaid gift caqrds and also has transfer to paypal instead
143 2011-04-11 04:08:19 <jgarzik> gjs278: no.  payment payment or pizza gift card.
144 2011-04-11 04:08:26 <gjs278> perfect
145 2011-04-11 04:08:26 <jgarzik> gjs278: bitcoin2cc is prepaid visa
146 2011-04-11 04:08:29 <gjs278> yep
147 2011-04-11 04:08:31 <gjs278> that was the one
148 2011-04-11 04:08:34 <doublec> s/prepaid/pizza/
149 2011-04-11 04:08:44 <gjs278> hmm... pizza or paypal
150 2011-04-11 04:08:57 <jgarzik> coincard has a nifty btc->ppusd automated api
151 2011-04-11 04:08:59 <thermal> only a matter of time before the first extortion/hostage situation occurs with bitcoin
152 2011-04-11 04:09:19 <thermal> and that would be irrevocable
153 2011-04-11 04:09:28 <jgarzik> only a matter of time before <insert situation that occurs with cash> occurs with bitcoin
154 2011-04-11 04:09:29 <Blitzboom> explanation?
155 2011-04-11 04:09:32 <phantomcircuit> thermal, sounds like a bad plan
156 2011-04-11 04:09:44 <thermal> i'm not thinking of doing it
157 2011-04-11 04:09:48 <jgarzik> only a matter of time until banana porn is funded with bitcoins
158 2011-04-11 04:09:50 <gjs278> actually that would be awesome
159 2011-04-11 04:09:54 <gjs278> they really could not take the money back
160 2011-04-11 04:09:55 <phantomcircuit> the transaction would likely get blacklisted by most of the community
161 2011-04-11 04:10:00 <gjs278> no way
162 2011-04-11 04:10:02 <gjs278> I'd process it
163 2011-04-11 04:10:07 <thermal> haha
164 2011-04-11 04:10:12 <phantomcircuit> lol
165 2011-04-11 04:10:13 <thermal> how would they blacklist it?
166 2011-04-11 04:10:19 <gjs278> well
167 2011-04-11 04:10:21 <thermal> announce the transaction id on the news?
168 2011-04-11 04:10:24 <gjs278> mtgox for example
169 2011-04-11 04:10:27 <gjs278> could refuse to accept money from it
170 2011-04-11 04:10:30 <Blitzboom> only a matter of time until you can buy furry porn, LSD and sextoys with bitc-oh wait
171 2011-04-11 04:10:53 <gjs278> so basically everyone would just be on the lookout for a transfer from kidnapping100004
172 2011-04-11 04:11:04 <thermal> so what's stopping mtgox from accepting payments from mormans?
173 2011-04-11 04:11:19 <thermal> (as an example)
174 2011-04-11 04:11:20 <gjs278> what kind of mormon uses bitcoins
175 2011-04-11 04:11:37 <gjs278> they use joseph smith dollars
176 2011-04-11 04:11:45 <thermal> heh
177 2011-04-11 04:12:05 <thermal> but seriously, wouldn't that allow regulation?
178 2011-04-11 04:12:54 <thermal> and wouldn't there be people that would accept it, with lesser (differing) morals than you until eventually the kidnapper transaction is no longer in the chain?
179 2011-04-11 04:13:31 <gjs278> well
180 2011-04-11 04:13:35 <gjs278> you can trace everything back
181 2011-04-11 04:13:39 <thermal> and if that's the case, would the currency eventually diverge into different groups of people that will accept payment type A but not type B?
182 2011-04-11 04:13:48 <jgarzik> eventually, some nodes will decide to blacklist a coin.  it is inevitable.  the question is, will the network follow, will the network ignore, or does bitcoin fork into a "free chain" and a chain with the blacklist.
183 2011-04-11 04:13:52 <gjs278> I wouldn't care, I'd just take the bitcoins and thats it
184 2011-04-11 04:13:58 <phantomcircuit> thermal, exactly announce the transaction id on the news and you're going to have a very hard time spending that btc
185 2011-04-11 04:14:05 <jgarzik> yep
186 2011-04-11 04:14:32 <phantomcircuit> unless of course you've setup a laundering operaton
187 2011-04-11 04:15:09 <jgarzik> and static compilation
188 2011-04-11 04:15:28 <thermal> the question then, is, which news networks will broadcast it and which societies/economies will blacklist it?
189 2011-04-11 04:15:50 <jgarzik> why do I have to wait for an obscure error, to find out that 'OSError' should be 'os.OSError'?
190 2011-04-11 04:15:50 <phantomcircuit> thermal, it doesn't even have to be 100% black listed
191 2011-04-11 04:16:16 <phantomcircuit> thermal, you just have to trace it backwards
192 2011-04-11 04:16:35 <phantomcircuit> eventually someone will use some of the btc to purchase something linked to themselve
193 2011-04-11 04:16:44 <phantomcircuit> and you'll be able to walk the transactions backwards
194 2011-04-11 04:16:46 <jgarzik> if the "stronger", longer chain is the one that excludes the "evil" transaction, then it is effectively blacklist
195 2011-04-11 04:16:52 <thermal> what happens if there are a whole bunch of important transactions in egypt that originated from a "bad source" that filter down all the way to a consumer level and 1000's of people are affected?
196 2011-04-11 04:17:21 <phantomcircuit> thermal, sounds unlikely
197 2011-04-11 04:17:55 <doublec> jgarzik: PyPy's RPython dialect would be close
198 2011-04-11 04:18:14 <thermal> why? the ransom period could purposely span a long duration for that exact reason
199 2011-04-11 04:18:35 <thermal> and then blacklisting the transaction would effectively be the same as not paying it at all
200 2011-04-11 04:18:50 <phantomcircuit> thermal, what/
201 2011-04-11 04:18:51 <phantomcircuit> ?
202 2011-04-11 04:18:55 <thermal> since it's all open, the moment it is blacklisted by anyone it would be detected
203 2011-04-11 04:19:13 <thermal> just a hypothetical
204 2011-04-11 04:19:27 <phantomcircuit> oh
205 2011-04-11 04:19:34 <phantomcircuit> yeah no i meant after you made the transfer
206 2011-04-11 04:19:42 <phantomcircuit> it would still cost you whatever the ransom was
207 2011-04-11 04:19:51 <phantomcircuit> but they would have a much harder time paying with it
208 2011-04-11 04:20:10 <phantomcircuit> kind of like if everybody checked the serial numbers on their cash against a national db of money used to pay ransoms
209 2011-04-11 04:20:54 <thermal> ok so, i'll give an example
210 2011-04-11 04:21:03 <thermal> let's say i demand that you transfer 1000 BTC to me or i break your favourite bruce springsteen CD
211 2011-04-11 04:21:08 <thermal> what do?
212 2011-04-11 04:21:25 <thermal> play along please :D
213 2011-04-11 04:21:44 <phantomcircuit> depends
214 2011-04-11 04:21:48 <genjix> phantomcircuit: where are you from?
215 2011-04-11 04:21:50 <thermal> on what?
216 2011-04-11 04:21:53 <genjix> usa?
217 2011-04-11 04:22:00 <phantomcircuit> thermal, are you offering to return my cd?
218 2011-04-11 04:22:04 <phantomcircuit> genjix, yes
219 2011-04-11 04:22:08 <genjix> kk
220 2011-04-11 04:22:31 <thermal> yes, at some point after you pay me the ransom BTCs
221 2011-04-11 04:22:49 <mizerydearia> Okay, so.   http://xkcd.com/bitcoin - 1Lg2rvxbBPC8jp2YJoV5xL7sdyTjueMUot - Anyone want to help me to send bitcoins 0.01, 0.02, 0.03, ..., 0.98, 0.99, 1.00?  Or maybe only up to 0.50? ^_^
222 2011-04-11 04:22:54 <phantomcircuit> thermal, well i guess i pay 1000 BTC (assuming it's worth that much to me) and then after you return the cd i tell everybody i can that your btc are bad
223 2011-04-11 04:23:14 <thermal> you jumped like 3 steps
224 2011-04-11 04:23:19 <phantomcircuit> thermal, now if in the meantime you have moved that to other accounts i wait
225 2011-04-11 04:23:20 <thermal> let's take it one step at a time
226 2011-04-11 04:23:32 <phantomcircuit> thermal, uh
227 2011-04-11 04:23:33 <phantomcircuit> sure
228 2011-04-11 04:23:37 <phantomcircuit> i send you 1000 btc
229 2011-04-11 04:23:40 <thermal> so you pay me the 1000 BTC
230 2011-04-11 04:24:09 <thermal> i spend it all and buy myself several bouncey castles
231 2011-04-11 04:24:14 <phantomcircuit> assuming the cd is worth that much to me
232 2011-04-11 04:24:23 <thermal> let's assume that
233 2011-04-11 04:24:29 <phantomcircuit> thermal, do you return the cd?
234 2011-04-11 04:24:33 <thermal> not yet
235 2011-04-11 04:24:46 <phantomcircuit> then i wait
236 2011-04-11 04:24:49 <phantomcircuit> actually
237 2011-04-11 04:24:50 <thermal> now, i track the transactions and know how diluted (right usage?) the original chain has become
238 2011-04-11 04:24:57 <phantomcircuit> you spend it ALL on bouncy castles?
239 2011-04-11 04:25:09 <thermal> they are REALLY bouncey.
240 2011-04-11 04:25:23 <thermal> yes
241 2011-04-11 04:25:34 <phantomcircuit> then i go to whomever you purchased said bouncy castles from and attempt to get information about you
242 2011-04-11 04:25:41 <phantomcircuit> delivery slips etc etc
243 2011-04-11 04:25:43 <mizerydearia> A movie making use of Bitcoin would be awesome!  I wonder if anyone has connections to make that possible.  e.g. in one scene, showing computer screen running bitcoin client
244 2011-04-11 04:25:44 <thermal> i also keep an eye out for any signs that the 1000 BTC has been blacklisted
245 2011-04-11 04:25:46 <phantomcircuit> security cameras
246 2011-04-11 04:25:48 <phantomcircuit> whatever
247 2011-04-11 04:26:01 <thermal> nice
248 2011-04-11 04:26:15 <Kiba> you could make a movie about bitcoin
249 2011-04-11 04:26:16 <Kiba> like
250 2011-04-11 04:26:21 <Kiba> how bitcoin got invented
251 2011-04-11 04:26:34 <thermal> heh
252 2011-04-11 04:26:50 <phantomcircuit> thermal, if that fails then i just sit on my hands and hope that you give me my cd back
253 2011-04-11 04:26:55 <thermal> so we're effectively making history, right now
254 2011-04-11 04:27:19 <Kiba> Once upon a time, there was this genuis crypto-girl in Silicon Valley who invented something earth-shattering called a cryptocurrency
255 2011-04-11 04:27:22 <thermal> well
256 2011-04-11 04:27:35 <thermal> just had an idea about a service that will probably exist in the future for this purpose
257 2011-04-11 04:27:55 <thermal> "VeriPay" "Be secure that your transaction has been registered with the right people"
258 2011-04-11 04:28:39 <thermal> government basically holds the hand of the bouncey castle salesmen during the transaction so that it knows about it the moment it occurs
259 2011-04-11 04:29:02 <thermal> i could always choose bouncey salesmen that didn't require VeriPay though
260 2011-04-11 04:29:07 <phantomcircuit> thermal, you couldn't do that
261 2011-04-11 04:29:21 <thermal> do what?
262 2011-04-11 04:29:29 <phantomcircuit> you'd either have to submit every single transaction for verification
263 2011-04-11 04:29:32 <phantomcircuit> or public a list
264 2011-04-11 04:29:55 <thermal> sounds pretty feasible to me. isn't that how visa works right now?
265 2011-04-11 04:29:56 <phantomcircuit> either way a single corrupt merchant could be bribed to check the blacklist on behalf of the bad guys
266 2011-04-11 04:30:12 <phantomcircuit> thermal, yeah and it doesn't work
267 2011-04-11 04:30:38 <thermal> it's not a blacklist, otherwise the CD gets smashed. it's simply a way to notify the government that a particular transaction is taking place so they can react faster
268 2011-04-11 04:30:53 <thermal> rather than waiting to discover it publicly which might take a whi;e
269 2011-04-11 04:30:54 <thermal> while
270 2011-04-11 04:31:39 <thermal> just something i foresee occuring in the future to protect the people from "terrorism"
271 2011-04-11 04:31:54 <thermal> i mean
272 2011-04-11 04:32:02 <thermal> "to protect the people from terrorism"
273 2011-04-11 04:32:04 <phantomcircuit> thermal, what?
274 2011-04-11 04:32:06 <phantomcircuit> uh
275 2011-04-11 04:32:16 <phantomcircuit> the transaction would be immediately evident to everybody
276 2011-04-11 04:32:26 <phantomcircuit> that's kind of how bitcoin works
277 2011-04-11 04:33:04 <thermal> if this becomes a global system, do you think that every single peer will become instantaneously aware of every transaction that occurs the very moment it occurs?
278 2011-04-11 04:33:23 <thermal> or would it gradually propogate?
279 2011-04-11 04:33:35 <phantomcircuit> within seconds
280 2011-04-11 04:33:43 <phantomcircuit> at the worst
281 2011-04-11 04:34:01 <thermal> ok well then there's no need for a government to implement a system like that
282 2011-04-11 04:34:33 <gjs278> ,,bc,block
283 2011-04-11 04:34:33 <gribble> Error: "bc,block" is not a valid command.
284 2011-04-11 04:34:37 <gjs278> ,,bc,blocks
285 2011-04-11 04:34:38 <gribble> 117770
286 2011-04-11 04:34:59 <thermal> ok so, instead of a bouncey castle i decide to get a rocket car
287 2011-04-11 04:35:25 <phantomcircuit> thermal, the real problem comes from anonymous ways to purchase anonymous perfectly liquid commodities, ie gold
288 2011-04-11 04:35:27 <thermal> once i make the transaction i speed off in my rocket car and eventually find safety
289 2011-04-11 04:35:29 <phantomcircuit> walk into a store
290 2011-04-11 04:35:33 <phantomcircuit> pay them some btc
291 2011-04-11 04:35:36 <phantomcircuit> walk out with gold
292 2011-04-11 04:35:41 <phantomcircuit> good luck tracing that
293 2011-04-11 04:35:45 <thermal> or a rocket car
294 2011-04-11 04:36:10 <thermal> MADE out of gold.
295 2011-04-11 04:36:24 <thermal> a golden rocket car
296 2011-04-11 04:36:35 <phantomcircuit> lol
297 2011-04-11 04:37:24 <thermal> ok so now that i have my golden rocket car in a safe place and have waited for the BTC chain to diverge 1000 times
298 2011-04-11 04:38:01 <thermal> i email you half of track #3 as an mp3
299 2011-04-11 04:38:35 <thermal> but then eventually return the CD safely
300 2011-04-11 04:38:38 <thermal> what do?
301 2011-04-11 04:39:44 <phantomcircuit> im screwed
302 2011-04-11 04:40:03 <phantomcircuit> just like id be screwed if you demanded a wire transfer to a country where you bribed the cops
303 2011-04-11 04:40:03 <thermal> the other idea i had (might have already been done though)
304 2011-04-11 04:40:33 <thermal> is to demand a wire transfer to a country where i bribed the cops
305 2011-04-11 04:40:47 <thermal> no
306 2011-04-11 04:41:25 <thermal> is there a backend system for coordinating the selling and buying of BTCs to connect up currency exchange websites?
307 2011-04-11 04:41:52 <thermal> and if not, would there be any value to the project if i created one?
308 2011-04-11 04:45:58 <thermal> also i don't think ~20 million BTCs is a high enough natural number for global usage
309 2011-04-11 04:46:20 <genjix> where can i see the definition for a transaction?
310 2011-04-11 04:46:38 <thermal> most transaction amounts will end up being 0.0XXX
311 2011-04-11 04:48:57 <thermal> and perhaps to regulate the lawful usage of the currency, each country could have their own key set that had the authority to revoke/blacklist transaction chains
312 2011-04-11 04:49:12 <thermal> or something.
313 2011-04-11 04:50:01 <phantomcircuit> thermal, each bitcoin is actually 50 million bitcoins (or something like that)
314 2011-04-11 04:50:22 <phantomcircuit> thermal, they can be subdivided into pieces more than small enough to be a global currency
315 2011-04-11 04:50:37 <thermal> you mean using a decimal place?
316 2011-04-11 04:51:07 <AAA_awright> It's a uint64
317 2011-04-11 04:51:32 <thermal> the range isn't the issue i have
318 2011-04-11 04:51:46 <thermal> it's the position of the decimal place
319 2011-04-11 04:51:55 <AAA_awright> It's arbritary, why does it matter
320 2011-04-11 04:51:58 <phantomcircuit> 50 BTC == 5000000000
321 2011-04-11 04:52:04 <AAA_awright> The number on the money is meaningless
322 2011-04-11 04:52:12 <AAA_awright> It's relative, actually
323 2011-04-11 04:52:17 <thermal> would you prefer that i transfer 100.50 or 10050.00?
324 2011-04-11 04:52:19 <phantomcircuit> so
325 2011-04-11 04:52:21 <phantomcircuit> 50 million
326 2011-04-11 04:52:24 <thermal> to your account?
327 2011-04-11 04:52:43 <thermal> the issue i have is readability
328 2011-04-11 04:52:45 <phantomcircuit> thermal, id prefer 10050000000
329 2011-04-11 04:53:02 <gjs278> lol I'd rather do 100.50
330 2011-04-11 04:53:22 <gjs278> remembering that many zeroes is dumb
331 2011-04-11 04:53:26 <thermal> there can never be that many bitcoins phantom
332 2011-04-11 04:53:57 <gjs278> he's saying 50 coins could equal 50 million coins I think
333 2011-04-11 04:54:50 <thermal> the decimal place determines the value of the amount
334 2011-04-11 04:55:20 <thermal> or so i thought anyway
335 2011-04-11 04:55:28 <thermal> but what do i know
336 2011-04-11 04:55:29 <thermal> bbl
337 2011-04-11 04:57:10 <phantomcircuit> thermal, it doesn't much matter
338 2011-04-11 04:57:21 <phantomcircuit> people are adaptable with things they expect to change
339 2011-04-11 05:01:28 <genjix> where can i see the definition for a transaction?
340 2011-04-11 05:03:47 <genjix> i mean how is it stored in a block? (CTransaction)
341 2011-04-11 05:05:09 <mahadri> genjix: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Protocol_specification#tx
342 2011-04-11 05:06:41 <AAA_awright> gjs278: That's why we have scientific notation
343 2011-04-11 05:06:54 <AAA_awright> 1.005e10
344 2011-04-11 05:06:58 <gjs278> fuck that
345 2011-04-11 05:07:06 <gjs278> I'm not remembering any e's
346 2011-04-11 05:07:08 <AAA_awright> Well what will it be
347 2011-04-11 05:07:12 <gjs278> 100.50
348 2011-04-11 05:07:19 <AAA_awright> In what unit
349 2011-04-11 05:07:25 <gjs278> same as we have now
350 2011-04-11 05:07:33 <genjix> thanks mahadri
351 2011-04-11 05:07:39 <AAA_awright> gjs278: How are you expected to remember 0.00000001 then
352 2011-04-11 05:08:03 <gjs278> whatever is close enough to $1 will be what everyone considers a coin
353 2011-04-11 05:08:26 <AAA_awright> Except that's changed by two orders of magnitude in the last year
354 2011-04-11 05:09:12 <gjs278> I don't think it will get drastic enough that it needs to change for awhile
355 2011-04-11 05:09:48 <thermal> one important thing that needs to exist for this to be successful
356 2011-04-11 05:11:59 <thermal> is for the existance of a reliable and easily usable way to covert BTC into other monetary instruments
357 2011-04-11 05:12:03 <thermal> mainly, cash
358 2011-04-11 05:12:26 <thermal> which would require a reserve of some kind
359 2011-04-11 05:12:56 <thermal> so maybe i should put a few million in and set something like that up?
360 2011-04-11 05:14:25 <gjs278> what do you guys think will happen when the block splits into 25 coins each find
361 2011-04-11 05:22:40 <mahadri> gjs278: if 25 BTCs trade for less than the cost to mine them, mining will slow until it becomes cost-effective again.
362 2011-04-11 05:26:29 <da2ce7> genjix, are you insane... what is up with the flood.
363 2011-04-11 05:26:36 <da2ce7> (the private chat is going insane)
364 2011-04-11 05:31:42 <genjix> da2ce7: it was a mispaste
365 2011-04-11 05:31:47 <genjix> i meant to paste 2 lines
366 2011-04-11 05:32:05 <da2ce7> :) ok, no hard feelings.
367 2011-04-11 05:32:30 <genjix> sry about that
368 2011-04-11 05:33:54 <Mixxit> is btc on apt yet
369 2011-04-11 05:35:00 <da2ce7> yes, debian unstalbe
370 2011-04-11 05:36:31 <Mixxit> tyvm
371 2011-04-11 05:58:32 <Keefe> thermal: bitcoin2cash.com already offers cash withdrawal, but the trade volume there is still low
372 2011-04-11 05:58:58 <Keefe> just need to get more people to buy there
373 2011-04-11 05:59:16 <gjs278> lol $5 for a check
374 2011-04-11 05:59:26 <gjs278> oh
375 2011-04-11 05:59:28 <Keefe> cash, not check
376 2011-04-11 05:59:29 <gjs278> it's actual cash
377 2011-04-11 05:59:31 <gjs278> eh
378 2011-04-11 05:59:42 <Keefe> but ya $5 is a little high for a small amount
379 2011-04-11 05:59:51 <Keefe> probably fair enough for like $1000
380 2011-04-11 05:59:58 <gjs278> yeah
381 2011-04-11 06:00:07 <gjs278> paypal is $1.50 to send you a check in the mail
382 2011-04-11 06:00:27 <gjs278> I've never heard of any place actually sending direct cash though
383 2011-04-11 06:10:28 <mizerydearia> Can we reach at least 100 bitcoins of support for xkcd?  http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=5686
384 2011-04-11 06:10:45 <mizerydearia> How about 200?
385 2011-04-11 06:27:30 <AAA_awright> mizerydearia: Blackhole doesn't ring too well does it
386 2011-04-11 06:27:37 <mizerydearia> hmm
387 2011-04-11 06:27:39 <AAA_awright> And in any event aren't they socalists?
388 2011-04-11 06:27:47 <mizerydearia> It was Randall's words.
389 2011-04-11 06:27:56 <AAA_awright> I don't think they've retracted their support for Obama yet
390 2011-04-11 06:28:01 <mizerydearia> they?
391 2011-04-11 06:28:05 <mizerydearia> Randall?
392 2011-04-11 06:28:38 <BurtyB> [Tycho] are there any probems with payments from your pool? it has been over 24hr since I last had a payment but when I click "Instant payout" i'm told "Please_wait_for_autopayment"?
393 2011-04-11 06:29:12 <AAA_awright> What other they am I talking about
394 2011-04-11 06:29:54 <mizerydearia> AAA_awright, I am not sure.  I am not familiar with politics so much.
395 2011-04-11 06:31:00 <topi`> morning
396 2011-04-11 06:31:49 <justmoon> mizerydearia: sent 15
397 2011-04-11 06:32:07 <mizerydearia> ^_^
398 2011-04-11 06:32:19 <mizerydearia> When he awakens he shall be surprised.
399 2011-04-11 06:32:27 <justmoon> 1. Donate to xkcd
400 2011-04-11 06:32:29 <justmoon> 2. ...
401 2011-04-11 06:32:30 <justmoon> 3. Profit
402 2011-04-11 06:32:36 <mizerydearia> hehe
403 2011-04-11 06:32:56 <justmoon> I've been up 30-some hours, makes perfect sense to me
404 2011-04-11 06:33:02 <mizerydearia> for sure
405 2011-04-11 06:33:07 <mizerydearia> also
406 2011-04-11 06:33:17 <mizerydearia> 1. Visit witcoin
407 2011-04-11 06:33:19 <mizerydearia> 2. ...
408 2011-04-11 06:33:21 <mizerydearia> 3. Profit
409 2011-04-11 06:33:43 <justmoon> witcoin's design gives me a headache
410 2011-04-11 06:33:46 <mizerydearia> oh?
411 2011-04-11 06:33:48 <mizerydearia> how so?
412 2011-04-11 06:34:09 <mizerydearia> colors?
413 2011-04-11 06:34:17 <mizerydearia> if so, ...
414 2011-04-11 06:34:23 <justmoon> hard to put in words, lots of little things
415 2011-04-11 06:34:35 <mizerydearia> mm, may I pay you to put them into words?
416 2011-04-11 06:34:58 <justmoon> lol, I'm not a professional designer, I can recommend one though if you like
417 2011-04-11 06:35:23 <justmoon> a cheap one who I can convince to accept bitcoins :)
418 2011-04-11 06:35:23 <mizerydearia> mm, you don't need to design the words, just explain in words how the site gives you a headache.
419 2011-04-11 06:35:45 <mizerydearia> Does it do it voluntarily?
420 2011-04-11 06:36:03 <mizerydearia> If so, I didn't program the site in such way and it may be a bug
421 2011-04-11 06:36:26 <justmoon> I think a big part is the tiny font sizes in many places
422 2011-04-11 06:36:32 <mizerydearia> mm
423 2011-04-11 06:36:47 <mizerydearia> that's interesting, because to me the font isn't tiny.
424 2011-04-11 06:36:48 <justmoon> also the layout doesn't have much of a "macro" structure to it
425 2011-04-11 06:36:57 <justmoon> like things lining up when you look at it from afar
426 2011-04-11 06:36:59 <mizerydearia> more mm
427 2011-04-11 06:37:43 <mizerydearia> I shall prepare my monitor to look through a window and go outside and using a binoculars or telescope examine the layout a bit further.
428 2011-04-11 06:37:47 <mizerydearia> or more advancedly
429 2011-04-11 06:37:58 <Spenvo> some important links are hidden as well
430 2011-04-11 06:38:07 <mizerydearia> oh?  which ones?
431 2011-04-11 06:38:19 <justmoon> oh oh and just call the login "login" please
432 2011-04-11 06:38:26 <mizerydearia> =/
433 2011-04-11 06:38:28 <justmoon> "get wit it" is cute, but confusing
434 2011-04-11 06:38:34 <mizerydearia> aww
435 2011-04-11 06:38:42 <justmoon> you can write "get wit it" on the login page if you want
436 2011-04-11 06:38:57 <topi`> http://artsyspot.com/img/fun/weird-and-hilarious-stuff/weird-and-hilarious-stuff08.jpg
437 2011-04-11 06:39:00 <justmoon> but for menu items clarity trumps cleverness
438 2011-04-11 06:39:02 <Spenvo> get wit it is good (but noobies need to understand)
439 2011-04-11 06:39:22 <topi`> motivation: i'm still trying to compile jgarzik's miner on OSX :)
440 2011-04-11 06:39:33 <Spenvo> notably (this got me) the charity link that leads to the page to add charities for a user is different from the big pot of money at the top
441 2011-04-11 06:40:19 <Spenvo> the real link is a few clicks away, and the one that gets most of the clicks doesn't let the user customize his charities
442 2011-04-11 06:41:48 <Spenvo> also, seeing every sub-category on the right column makes my eyes gloss over everything
443 2011-04-11 06:42:43 <Spenvo> if you condensed each section and made them expandable, i think it would be something I'd actually look at
444 2011-04-11 06:43:33 <Spenvo> -- end rant -- :)
445 2011-04-11 06:44:03 <mizerydearia> mm, thanks for the feedbac
446 2011-04-11 06:44:15 <justmoon> +1 on the monster category list on the right
447 2011-04-11 06:44:15 <mizerydearia> You're welcome to rant anytime.
448 2011-04-11 06:44:37 <Spenvo> it means i care :)
449 2011-04-11 06:44:40 <mizerydearia> I've noted each of them and will work on them at some point.
450 2011-04-11 06:45:11 <mizerydearia> I put them at top of list instead of bottom (I can cheat)
451 2011-04-11 06:45:52 <Spenvo> hehe
452 2011-04-11 07:02:43 <topi`> damn, i've forgotten my bitcoin wiki passwd even though I just registered 2 days ago
453 2011-04-11 07:03:03 <topi`> my mind is a swiss cheese nowadays
454 2011-04-11 07:03:23 <topi`> I can't choose a new one, because "change password" wants to have the OLD passwd :)
455 2011-04-11 07:05:44 <gribble> 117784
456 2011-04-11 07:05:44 <sipa> ;;bc,blocks
457 2011-04-11 07:11:59 <topi`> damn genjix, he must still be asleep
458 2011-04-11 07:44:20 <krytzz> topi`: get a keychain
459 2011-04-11 08:32:15 <maxlo> hi
460 2011-04-11 08:32:26 <maxlo> any devs here? i've got a suggestion :)
461 2011-04-11 08:32:47 <maxlo> (and the --trivial-- implementation)
462 2011-04-11 08:33:50 <sipa> maxlo: maybe people who don't call themselves "dev" are interested as well :)
463 2011-04-11 08:34:42 <maxlo> ok, just wanted to make sure that dev read this... or maybe i should send an email :)
464 2011-04-11 08:34:51 <maxlo> so, here is the thing: it is about the systray
465 2011-04-11 08:34:57 <maxlo> and the click behavior
466 2011-04-11 08:34:59 <maxlo> under linux
467 2011-04-11 08:35:42 <maxlo> i have check a bunch of programs (skype, choqok, clementine, pidgin, kopete) and the click action hides/shows the main window
468 2011-04-11 08:35:49 <sipa> best way to make sure people see it, is make a forum post
469 2011-04-11 08:35:51 <maxlo> depending on the current state
470 2011-04-11 08:35:58 <sipa> of a github issue
471 2011-04-11 08:36:00 <sipa> *or
472 2011-04-11 08:36:24 <maxlo> sipa: ok. anyways, just write this, to see what people think, as you suggested
473 2011-04-11 08:36:42 <maxlo> under bitcoin, the click always shows the main window
474 2011-04-11 08:37:08 <maxlo> i think that the behavior should match the "standard", the behavior that a lot of other programs have
475 2011-04-11 08:37:49 <maxlo> this is easily achived by modifying the function CMyTaskBarIcon::OnLeftButtonDClick() in ui.cpp
476 2011-04-11 08:38:32 <maxlo> i put "pframeMain->Show(!pframeMain->IsShown());", but any more complex logic could be used (such as using Restore() if it is already Shown(), but hidden)
477 2011-04-11 08:38:35 <maxlo> just an idea
478 2011-04-11 08:39:00 <maxlo> i would like to see bitcoin having the same behavior as all the other programs that i use and have systray icon :)
479 2011-04-11 08:39:26 <maxlo> sipa: btw, bitcoin is under github? I just checked out a svn copy
480 2011-04-11 08:40:05 <sipa> yes, developement moved to github now, svn is still updated with the actual releases, i think
481 2011-04-11 08:40:39 <gjs278> maxlo if you try to suggest anything for this project, people will just tell you to do it yourself, make a pull request on github, and it may or may not get looked at in a week
482 2011-04-11 08:40:56 <gjs278> so going the github route is probably the best route
483 2011-04-11 08:41:17 <sipa> especially since you apparently see how to fix it, you're the best one to implement it :)
484 2011-04-11 08:41:54 <maxlo> i would be glad to :)
485 2011-04-11 08:42:25 <sipa> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin
486 2011-04-11 08:44:02 <maxlo> so, before actually make the change, it should be agreed. The way to see if this is a good change is to create a new issue, correct?
487 2011-04-11 08:44:22 <gjs278> the system tray icon is so pointless on linux bitcoin
488 2011-04-11 08:44:28 <gjs278> it might as well not even be there in its current state
489 2011-04-11 08:44:50 <gjs278> whenever I hit x for the program, the system tray icon disappears and the program closes for real
490 2011-04-11 08:44:59 <gjs278> and when I rightclick the system tray, there are no options
491 2011-04-11 08:45:02 <gjs278> wtf is the point
492 2011-04-11 08:45:16 <sipa> i didn't know it has a systray icon - my window manager doesn't have that
493 2011-04-11 08:45:20 <gjs278> lol
494 2011-04-11 08:45:26 <maxlo> well, it is not pointless. It is bad implemented :)
495 2011-04-11 08:45:37 <gjs278> the icon doesnt even display for me, it just puts a blank square there
496 2011-04-11 08:45:37 <maxlo> we could easily fix the "x" proble
497 2011-04-11 08:45:45 <maxlo> yep, I saw that
498 2011-04-11 08:45:51 <maxlo> also changed this in the source code
499 2011-04-11 08:46:03 <gjs278> what did you change to make the icon appear
500 2011-04-11 08:46:06 <maxlo> it has a big comment now, something like "this is broken in linux"
501 2011-04-11 08:46:09 <maxlo> let me check
502 2011-04-11 08:46:18 <gjs278> the rc/ folder had freaking bmps in it...
503 2011-04-11 08:46:29 <sipa> maxlo: if you're unsure about what the best behaviour is, make a forum post where you do the suggestion and say you're willing to implement it yourself
504 2011-04-11 08:46:37 <sipa> i'm sure you'll get some positive remarks
505 2011-04-11 08:46:53 <maxlo> search for a line "ptaskbaricon->Show(fMinimizeToTray || fClosedToTray);", change this to "ptaskbaricon->Show(true);"
506 2011-04-11 08:47:07 <maxlo> of course, this is a QUICK HACK, just to see if this works
507 2011-04-11 08:47:29 <maxlo> i should check how  fMinimizeToTray and hClosedToTray are being used :_
508 2011-04-11 08:47:30 <maxlo> :)
509 2011-04-11 08:48:17 <maxlo> if you are compiling from source, try what i say, and you will get icon, menu when right clicking  also :)
510 2011-04-11 08:48:25 <gjs278> alright
511 2011-04-11 08:48:28 <gjs278> so just change that one line?
512 2011-04-11 08:48:45 <maxlo> when you say "a forum post", you mean in https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues ?
513 2011-04-11 08:48:55 <gjs278> there's an actual bitcoin forum
514 2011-04-11 08:49:02 <sipa> no, http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?board=6.0
515 2011-04-11 08:49:29 <sipa> i don't like the fact that both exist - there are people who only read one of them
516 2011-04-11 08:49:30 <maxlo> gjs278: yes, that line is enough. The thing is that fMinimizeToTray == fClosedToTray == false.
517 2011-04-11 08:49:32 <sipa> but the forums are used more
518 2011-04-11 08:49:38 <maxlo> ok
519 2011-04-11 08:49:47 <gjs278> that line shows up in ui.cpp 3 times
520 2011-04-11 08:49:51 <gjs278> which one do I go for
521 2011-04-11 08:50:01 <maxlo> let me check
522 2011-04-11 08:51:14 <maxlo> i changed 2, but i guess that the on in CreateMainWindow() should be enough
523 2011-04-11 08:51:23 <gjs278> ok
524 2011-04-11 08:51:44 <maxlo> i saw another in CMainFrame::OnIconize()
525 2011-04-11 08:52:06 <maxlo> and the on in COptionsDialog::OnButtonApply(). (I changed the first 2)
526 2011-04-11 08:52:32 <maxlo> but, hey, remember: i am just playin with this :). For the real thing, i will have to poke a little more
527 2011-04-11 08:52:38 <maxlo> leet me know if it woked for you
528 2011-04-11 08:52:38 <UukGoblin> I've asked that several times already - but is there a way (in the protocol) to add arbitrary data to a transaction?
529 2011-04-11 08:52:50 <sipa> UukGoblin: yes and o
530 2011-04-11 08:53:13 <sipa> you can use arbitrary scripts in a transaction
531 2011-04-11 08:53:15 <UukGoblin> sipa, hrm. that's why I didn't remember the answer ;-]
532 2011-04-11 08:53:24 <sipa> but almost all miners will ignore it
533 2011-04-11 08:53:40 <UukGoblin> ignore the transaction?
534 2011-04-11 08:53:41 <gjs278> lol segfaulted
535 2011-04-11 08:53:50 <UukGoblin> even if there's a fee in it for them?
536 2011-04-11 08:53:51 <sipa> UukGoblin: yes, not put it in a block
537 2011-04-11 08:53:54 <sipa> yes
538 2011-04-11 08:54:03 <UukGoblin> w..eird
539 2011-04-11 08:54:13 <sipa> they're called non-standard transactions
540 2011-04-11 08:54:30 <sipa> and the default client doesn't accept them, unless they are already in a block
541 2011-04-11 08:54:44 <UukGoblin> right
542 2011-04-11 08:54:48 <maxlo> gjs278: this is my svn diff: http://pastebin.com/w0L50s3B
543 2011-04-11 08:55:17 <maxlo> note that there are changes in the makefile, and also a change to compile using boost 1.46
544 2011-04-11 08:55:41 <gjs278> yeah
545 2011-04-11 08:55:57 <Maxiboy> How do I allow remote connections to bitcoind for testing ?
546 2011-04-11 08:56:03 <Maxiboy> likte rpcallow=* ?
547 2011-04-11 08:56:23 <maxlo> btw, if i have a bitcoind running, can i connect to it using a client? could not find it
548 2011-04-11 08:56:56 <gjs278> they use the same datadir
549 2011-04-11 08:56:57 <gjs278> so no
550 2011-04-11 08:57:05 <UukGoblin> sipa, well I assume transactions with outputs/inputs less than 0.01 are also rejected?
551 2011-04-11 08:57:12 <maxlo> that wuld be a nice-to-have :)
552 2011-04-11 08:57:36 <maxlo> i mean, that the client was *just* a gui
553 2011-04-11 08:57:42 <UukGoblin> cause one way I see this is to use steganography-like stuff in the addresses... i.e. send very low amounts to non-existing outputs which will encode some information...
554 2011-04-11 08:57:47 <maxlo> but maybe this includes some refactoring.
555 2011-04-11 08:58:25 <sipa> UukGoblin: no
556 2011-04-11 08:58:32 <sipa> UukGoblin: but only when a fee is present
557 2011-04-11 08:58:49 <Maxiboy> Anybody knows if bitcoind takes rpcallow=* (for testing) ?
558 2011-04-11 08:58:52 <sipa> (outputs, by the way, there is no required fee for using small inputs - in fact, that should be encourages)
559 2011-04-11 09:00:33 <UukGoblin> sipa, so in short, there is a way available to be implemented in future clients
560 2011-04-11 09:00:48 <maxlo> bbl
561 2011-04-11 09:00:59 <UukGoblin> and I could mod my own clients and as long as I generate blocks I will be able to sneak these transactions into the chain
562 2011-04-11 09:01:19 <ersi> Maxiboy: Have you tried setting it like that?
563 2011-04-11 09:02:11 <Maxiboy> Yes but I still get connection refused
564 2011-04-11 09:02:27 <ersi> then it doesn't take that :)
565 2011-04-11 09:04:50 <[Tycho]> Hello.
566 2011-04-11 09:05:21 <[Tycho]> Which miner uses this useragent ? "bitcoin-miner/0.6 CPU/Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU"
567 2011-04-11 09:08:18 <Maxiboy> How should I set rpcallow to allow my local network like rpcallow=192.168.*.*?
568 2011-04-11 09:15:49 <Guest27240> How do I get money on testnet?
569 2011-04-11 09:16:05 <Guest27240> Tried https://freebitcoins.appspot.com/TEST/
570 2011-04-11 09:16:12 <Guest27240> But they will never arrive?
571 2011-04-11 09:16:46 <scoots> Can I generate coins on testnet?
572 2011-04-11 09:16:56 <sipa> you can
573 2011-04-11 09:29:49 <ersi> [Tycho]: "Ufasoft's SSE2 miner"
574 2011-04-11 09:30:23 <ersi> A CPU-miner. It's binary is called bitcoin-miner.exe
575 2011-04-11 09:30:33 <scoots> How long can it take for transactions on det testnet to be confirmed?
576 2011-04-11 09:33:48 <sipa> scoots: if no one is mining there, forever :)
577 2011-04-11 09:35:11 <scoots> Hehe that's along time (:
578 2011-04-11 09:37:39 <scoots> But if I mine myself can I then confirm my own transaction?
579 2011-04-11 09:37:52 <scoots> Would like to have some start money to test with only
580 2011-04-11 09:40:06 <ersi> Why don't you do it on the regular network and use the BitCoin Faucet?
581 2011-04-11 09:40:27 <ersi> But yes, you can confirm your own transaction if you crunch for the testnet
582 2011-04-11 09:48:20 <scoots> ersi I'm testing and developing so a little more than 0.05 btc is required
583 2011-04-11 09:52:16 <ersi> scoots: Ah, I see. Sorry :)
584 2011-04-11 09:52:22 <Keefe> scoots: how much do you need?
585 2011-04-11 09:53:08 <scoots> Just some for passing around between accounts maybe like 50-100
586 2011-04-11 09:53:37 <Keefe> ok, np. give me an address and i'll send you some. i accumulated a ton the other day when testing something
587 2011-04-11 09:56:31 <scoots> n1hvG5XrYp1WTzK9N8dSjUvtM4QEExvw3w
588 2011-04-11 09:56:47 <scoots> Thank you very much!
589 2011-04-11 09:57:14 <scoots> How did you accumulate that, my mining?
590 2011-04-11 09:57:43 <Keefe> 1.9 ghash/s at diff 8 or whatever it is... wheee
591 2011-04-11 09:58:09 <scoots> Nice! (:
592 2011-04-11 09:58:39 <scoots> What rig do you have to that rate?
593 2011-04-11 09:59:27 <Keefe> that was 3 of my 8 radeon 5970's
594 2011-04-11 10:00:26 <scoots> Using both gpus on one card?
595 2011-04-11 10:00:46 <sipa> must be
596 2011-04-11 10:06:46 <Keefe> scoots: just sent 200
597 2011-04-11 10:06:55 <Keefe> i have 4000 left
598 2011-04-11 10:07:16 <Keefe> so, anyone else need some? they're mostly worthless to me
599 2011-04-11 10:07:43 <scoots> Thanks! Very much appreciated!
600 2011-04-11 10:07:51 <Keefe> now we just need some testnet mining to confirm that txn
601 2011-04-11 10:09:09 <topi`> keefe: do you mine to the 'real' network with your 8 ati's? at difficulty 82000 it is already slowing down.
602 2011-04-11 10:09:20 <Keefe> i do
603 2011-04-11 10:09:35 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 103000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 17, is 11 minutes and 48 seconds
604 2011-04-11 10:09:35 <sipa> ;;bc,calcd 103000 17
605 2011-04-11 10:09:45 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 8.55, is 117.640746267 BTC per day and 4.90169776113 BTC per hour.
606 2011-04-11 10:09:45 <Keefe> ;;bc,gend 1000 8.55
607 2011-04-11 10:09:45 <topi`> i'm just mining with my 500mhz ARM ;) but that consumes only 0.3 watts or so
608 2011-04-11 10:09:50 <sipa> i can get you a testnet block in +- 11 minutes :)
609 2011-04-11 10:10:15 <Keefe> why 17?
610 2011-04-11 10:10:23 <sipa> testnet difficulty
611 2011-04-11 10:10:40 <Keefe> blockexplorer says testnet diff is 8.548 * mainnet diff1
612 2011-04-11 10:10:59 <sipa> oh, right, it's divided by 2
613 2011-04-11 10:13:10 <Keefe> i guess 4k testnet btc could be worth about 0.40 mainnet btc, if you equate the cost to produce
614 2011-04-11 10:13:39 <sipa> it doesn't work that way :)
615 2011-04-11 10:14:14 <Keefe> only in the sense that mining 4k tbtc has an opportunity cost of 0.40 btc
616 2011-04-11 10:15:24 <Keefe> but since testnet gets reset occasionally, i wouldn't expect anyone to actually buy any tbtc
617 2011-04-11 10:16:29 <Keefe> scoots: someone just published a new testnet block, so the txn is now confirmed
618 2011-04-11 10:19:24 <funkenstein> how you think bitcoin would withstand a buyout attack
619 2011-04-11 10:19:36 <krytzz> what is that
620 2011-04-11 10:20:15 <xelister> lol buyout attack
621 2011-04-11 10:20:21 <funkenstein> ie just try to buy as many as you can, corner the market
622 2011-04-11 10:20:28 <xelister> OH NOES they bought all my money and now Im rich.... ;-(
623 2011-04-11 10:20:34 <xelister> *all my btc
624 2011-04-11 10:20:38 <sacarlson> Keefe: what code is needed to change in code or config to work with tbtc or testnet?
625 2011-04-11 10:21:05 <sipa> use -testnet on command line
626 2011-04-11 10:21:25 <sipa> or testnet=1 in config file
627 2011-04-11 10:21:41 <funkenstein> yeah right xel so everybody sells and then bitcoin is effectively shut down like the early electric cars?
628 2011-04-11 10:21:43 <sacarlson> sipa: so is there testnet=666 will that be different?
629 2011-04-11 10:21:58 <sipa> no
630 2011-04-11 10:21:59 <krytzz> funkenstein: if everybody sells bitcoin is dead
631 2011-04-11 10:22:12 <sipa> there is realnet and testnet, that's all
632 2011-04-11 10:22:41 <sipa> wow, i found 3 testnet block in 2 minutes!
633 2011-04-11 10:22:50 <sipa> why don't i have that kind of luck on realnet :(
634 2011-04-11 10:23:01 <sacarlson> sipa:  how would you create another one?  and how many nodes would you need to work minimum?  6?
635 2011-04-11 10:23:35 <Keefe> probably 2 minimum
636 2011-04-11 10:23:39 <sipa> 2 is enough
637 2011-04-11 10:23:50 <sipa> that's what testnet-in-a-box does
638 2011-04-11 10:23:51 <sacarlson> sipa: oh 2 nodes
639 2011-04-11 10:24:11 <topi`> krytzz: if everybody sells, then there's plenty of more opportunity to mine more btc!
640 2011-04-11 10:24:26 <sipa> but a completely separate network... needs separate version numbers, ports, genesis block, ...
641 2011-04-11 10:24:50 <sipa> testnet-in-a-box cheats by using the normal version/ports/genesis, but not connect to any other nodes but your own
642 2011-04-11 10:26:36 <sacarlson> sipa: so if you created an exchange with different coins at this point each would require a different port with another version interface to drive each
643 2011-04-11 10:28:17 <scoots> Why do I have to restart bitcoind to get new blocks even if I have more than 10 connections
644 2011-04-11 10:33:54 <Keefe> scoots: shouldn't have to. no problem here
645 2011-04-11 10:34:06 <scoots> Strangio
646 2011-04-11 10:34:18 <Keefe> latest version?
647 2011-04-11 10:34:32 <scoots> 32002
648 2011-04-11 10:34:40 <Keefe> i have 3.19 on windows
649 2011-04-11 10:34:51 <scoots> Using ubuntu
650 2011-04-11 10:35:12 <sacarlson> scoots: I use ubuntu 10.04 I just installed the ppa
651 2011-04-11 10:35:17 <Keefe> my linux miners are running the latest git src as of a few days ago
652 2011-04-11 10:36:24 <sacarlson> scoots: but I don't even runt the bitcoind yet or haven't tried it yet I should say
653 2011-04-11 10:47:57 <scoots> Tried to figure it out but what is the minconf parameter in api calls?
654 2011-04-11 10:48:33 <WakiMiko> at least X confirmations
655 2011-04-11 10:48:54 <scoots> Ahh, right (:
656 2011-04-11 10:52:33 <krytzz> topi`: but the current efforts are basically wasted and that would discourage many people for the idea itself
657 2011-04-11 11:09:53 <knotwork> $2 sacarlson
658 2011-04-11 11:10:12 <knotwork> $0.02 sacarlson
659 2011-04-11 11:10:13 <NickelBot> You must AUTH before using !exec commands.
660 2011-04-11 11:10:32 <sacarlson> knotwork: $2 for what?
661 2011-04-11 11:10:46 <knotwork> hmm . anyway, point is there are several alternate blockchains already, accessible via nickelbot and its friends
662 2011-04-11 11:11:21 <knotwork> its a give two cents routine, telling nickelbot to give you 0.4 bitnickels (which would be two cents if bitnickels were five cents)
663 2011-04-11 11:11:59 <knotwork> nickelbot supports several alternate blockchain currencies, support as in assigning you an address in each one you use,
664 2011-04-11 11:12:16 <knotwork> and letting you exchange between the various currencies
665 2011-04-11 11:12:58 <knotwork> I didnt mean $2 I meant $0.02 it has no $2 command yet as two cents is traditional worth of someone's input
666 2011-04-11 11:23:09 <sacarlson> knotwork: not finding anything on google with search of "nickelbot bitcoin"
667 2011-04-11 11:24:40 <knotwork> try /msk NickelBot help
668 2011-04-11 11:24:46 <knotwork> s/msk/msg/
669 2011-04-11 11:25:55 <sacarlson> knotwork: but I guess what I was dreaming about was that you could run another blockchain that started from a preset number of coins from start to end, no growth that are basicly just shares in something like a trust of gold or ??
670 2011-04-11 11:26:33 <knotwork> say doubtless someone savvy enough to hack it thusly could. these are very minimal hacks, changing only the
671 2011-04-11 11:27:01 <knotwork> genesis block, the port number, and the irc channel, and implemented by hacking the -testnet parts of the code
672 2011-04-11 11:27:35 <knotwork> so each such currency has its own compiled bitcoin that does real bitcoin by default and hacked coin when -testnet is set
673 2011-04-11 11:28:09 <knotwork> since real testnet is useless for gaming purposes due to they vanish the coins from time to time, these are a more
674 2011-04-11 11:28:39 <knotwork> useful use of the -testnet switch for people inteested in an alternate that wont vanish under them
675 2011-04-11 11:30:25 <knotwork> the way that nickelbot and its friends do exchanges acts as a backing bank for each currency, backing each with the
676 2011-04-11 11:30:33 <sacarlson> knotwork: so you need some base this irc?  what is the irc used in bitcoin now?
677 2011-04-11 11:30:58 <knotwork> others, so that for example any BTC used to buy NKL is only available for the bot to buy back NKL, not for it to
678 2011-04-11 11:31:24 <knotwork> use to buy CDN or CZB or anthing else, each of which would only be able to use any BTC that was spent on it with which
679 2011-04-11 11:31:27 <knotwork> to buy itself back
680 2011-04-11 11:31:47 <knotwork> IRC is used in bitcoin as one way of finding peers to network with
681 2011-04-11 11:32:31 <knotwork> these currencies so far are using private links so have the -noirc flag set as they dont need to find random peers
682 2011-04-11 11:32:48 <knotwork> they know who the various fellow banker/miners are
683 2011-04-11 11:33:23 <sacarlson> knotwork: I have an irc already running on my system so I guess I could use that in another chain
684 2011-04-11 11:33:28 <knotwork> also that way the have no worries yet that someone with GPUs will come along and blow their CPU mining out of the water
685 2011-04-11 11:34:28 <knotwork> wow this many alternate chains isn't enough ha thats hilarious since some folk even one is too many hahaha
686 2011-04-11 11:34:44 <sacarlson> knotwork: well I didn't plan on using mining just create a block of 1mil coins to start to end
687 2011-04-11 11:35:19 <knotwork> why only one million? also, how fast will you sell that many? these guys' plan is that they only need issue as many as
688 2011-04-11 11:35:48 <knotwork> actually are needed in circulation, any not yet circulated are effectively non-existent since all that money is is an IOU
689 2011-04-11 11:36:07 <sacarlson> knotwork: well since you can break them into .000001 shares 1 million should be plenty of shares as in how many shares are in IBM
690 2011-04-11 11:36:15 <knotwork> from the issuer of the money admitting they owe the bearder of the money the value represented by that money
691 2011-04-11 11:36:53 <knotwork> well then why not buy one bitnickel, and use millionths of a nickel as shares? ;)
692 2011-04-11 11:37:23 <sacarlson> knotwork: in this case you could sell only 1/2 or just a percent of them and have the trust hold the rest until a time that was needed
693 2011-04-11 11:38:06 <sacarlson> knotwork: yes that's probly all you would really need just one coin to start
694 2011-04-11 11:38:13 <knotwork> the GRF (General Returement Fund) and GMC (General Mining Corp) shares figure those not issued are the wealth
695 2011-04-11 11:38:24 <knotwork> controlled by the votes of those who hold issued ones
696 2011-04-11 11:38:56 <knotwork> so basically if only five people are issued one share each, then each time 50 shares are mined that is 10 more value each of
697 2011-04-11 11:39:16 <knotwork> the issued 5 effectively have
698 2011-04-11 11:39:31 <citiz3n> are you talking about the new pool?
699 2011-04-11 11:40:01 <knotwork> basically the corp owns eventually 21 million or so coins, and that wealth is the capitol of which those who own shares
700 2011-04-11 11:40:08 <knotwork> themselves have a share
701 2011-04-11 11:40:41 <knotwork> pool? no they have not solved the pools matter yet, this is just the shares currencies themselves
702 2011-04-11 11:40:51 <sacarlson> knotwork: you couldn't mine in a trust,  the trust doesn't create anymore stuf only what it started with,  don't think you want any mining in this case
703 2011-04-11 11:41:41 <knotwork> well a trust maybe isnt the same as shares of a corporation
704 2011-04-11 11:42:15 <knotwork> General Retirement Funds isnt a trust its a corp like General Mining Corp that invests in investments instead of in mining
705 2011-04-11 11:42:34 <sacarlson> knotwork: well a trust could own shares in a corporation or many corporations but to keep it simple lets just say it has 100 onces of gold
706 2011-04-11 11:43:41 <knotwork> they have no gold YET, but plan to each have many of all the others' coins
707 2011-04-11 11:44:24 <sacarlson> knotwork: oh so this is already planed?
708 2011-04-11 11:44:30 <knotwork> so eventually once each has issued 100,000 coins times number of them, they will ech own 100,000 of each other one's coins
709 2011-04-11 11:45:10 <knotwork> they have a pact to internally between themselves only not necessarily to joe sixpack exchange at par
710 2011-04-11 11:45:35 <knotwork> for up until some possible future when that might be up for re-negotiation
711 2011-04-11 11:45:48 <sacarlson> knotwork: I thought we could just make 1 coin for the 100 onces and just break it into .0000001 to distibute to whoever whats to buy shares in the coin
712 2011-04-11 11:45:54 <knotwork> I think its at least until they all own a million of eacher's coins something like that
713 2011-04-11 11:46:44 <knotwork> yeah but this way if more people come along who also want shares in the corporate/trust assets, more shares can be issued
714 2011-04-11 11:47:22 <knotwork> normal corps on earth tend to issue shares any time they allow more people to buy in, the assets the buyers
715 2011-04-11 11:47:46 <knotwork> use to buy in increase the corp's assets thus adding shares need not dilute value of existing shares
716 2011-04-11 11:48:05 <knotwork> maybe could even increase their value if the new ones are bought at premium price
717 2011-04-11 11:48:21 <sacarlson> knotwork: so now 1 millionth of 100 ounces of gold is to big?  we would just create another trust with another 100 ounces and sell more coins
718 2011-04-11 11:48:33 <knotwork> presmably if shares are voting shares the already issuing ones had to vote anyway to decide whether to issue more
719 2011-04-11 11:49:33 <knotwork> I am interested in how this would work sacarlson, the people doing specifically shares ones, the GMC and GRT ones,
720 2011-04-11 11:49:34 <sacarlson> knotwork: oh you could do a split so you turn in your old coins for the new coins to make more coins
721 2011-04-11 11:49:48 <knotwork> might be interested in your method too as they are still arguing how theirs should be done
722 2011-04-11 11:50:17 <sacarlson> knotwork: oh so those weren't imaginary those were exampls
723 2011-04-11 11:50:19 <knotwork> a split is interesting, however dividends is what they have been thinking
724 2011-04-11 11:50:44 <knotwork> periodically all the new coins mined are shared out among all accounts that have at least a full coin balance
725 2011-04-11 11:50:57 <knotwork> shared in proportion to how many coins the account has
726 2011-04-11 11:51:18 <knotwork> GRF and GMC are both in NickelBot
727 2011-04-11 11:51:20 <sacarlson> knotwork: well in a trust of gold there is no dividend in fact there are fee's that need to be paid to keep the trust going so over time some of the sub coins will be burned to stay in existance
728 2011-04-11 11:52:10 <sacarlson> knotwork: well I looked for nickelbot already and failed
729 2011-04-11 11:52:39 <knotwork> limiting oneself to gold is kind of limited though, nicer to just hae assets, which might happen to be mostly gold
730 2011-04-11 11:52:45 <knotwork> but could have other things too
731 2011-04-11 11:52:53 <knotwork> diversified portfolio maybe
732 2011-04-11 11:53:18 <knotwork> if you want shares of gold, use pecunix, let them do all the clerical work overhead etc
733 2011-04-11 11:54:19 <knotwork> there is argument currently about whether GRF or GMC should do the virtual real estate stuff or a whole new corp
734 2011-04-11 11:54:22 <sacarlson> knotwork: well in reality you should be able to trade any comodity, corporation, or aset.  but the method of moving who hold the ownership seems would be about the same
735 2011-04-11 11:54:43 <knotwork> should be formed, General Housing Corp or General Real Estate or some such, to handle "virtual estate"
736 2011-04-11 11:55:51 <knotwork> both GRF and GMC can easily hold gold, in pecunix form, it is entirely up to those who buy into GRF and or GMC whether
737 2011-04-11 11:56:10 <sacarlson> knotwork: pecunix form?
738 2011-04-11 11:56:17 <knotwork> gold is an asset they'd like to see the things hold in order to feel comfortable that the shares have value
739 2011-04-11 11:56:46 <knotwork> pecunia? pecunics? pecunix? some e-gold type thing I happen to have almost a gram of gold in
740 2011-04-11 11:57:43 <knotwork> so for example if you would like GRF or GMC to hold gold, you could offer to buy some of their shares using gold
741 2011-04-11 11:58:02 <knotwork> the gold you paid becomes part of the assets "backing" the shares
742 2011-04-11 11:58:06 <sacarlson> knotwork: oh I know nothing of such a thing.  I just buy and sell GLD on new york exchange,  but I have to pay for transacting it each time
743 2011-04-11 11:59:05 <knotwork> e-gold had monthly fee that slowly eroded one's holdings, dunno if pecinux does or if its their lack of such fee
744 2011-04-11 11:59:23 <knotwork> that caused me to actualyl still have some left after all these years since I ever used it
745 2011-04-11 11:59:56 <sacarlson> knotwork: yes as I said the trust would cost money so the scale if too small or badly managed could burn it up in no time
746 2011-04-11 12:00:42 <knotwork> well these ones should not cost much. lets say you were first person ever to buy a share of either of them
747 2011-04-11 12:01:11 <sacarlson> knotwork: well real estate would have a similar problem since you normaly have to pay tax on it so I'm not sure there is any aset other than a corporation that would be at least free to hold
748 2011-04-11 12:01:13 <knotwork> if you bought it using 100 ounces of gold, you now own the only issued share of an asset pool that contains not only
749 2011-04-11 12:01:48 <knotwork> 100 ounces of gold but also 50 un-issued read to sell at shareholder decisionmking process's liesure share-coins
750 2011-04-11 12:01:59 <knotwork> per block that is solved
751 2011-04-11 12:02:33 <EvanR-work> knotwork can you say more than 1/4 of a sentence before pressin return
752 2011-04-11 12:02:39 <knotwork> so maybe your 100 ounces went up in value by letting "your" corp hold them
753 2011-04-11 12:02:55 <knotwork> I say "your" corp since we are assuming only you have yet bought any of its shares
754 2011-04-11 12:04:06 <sacarlson> knotwork: well the corporation has to file tax each year and pay state registrations, and someone has to get paid to handle all that stuf
755 2011-04-11 12:04:53 <knotwork> these are not govt registered corps, they are virtual/game concept corps, mere software fantasies using bits to represent data
756 2011-04-11 12:05:12 <sacarlson> knotwork: oh now you tell me
757 2011-04-11 12:05:23 <knotwork> if you are only shareholder you can choose to pay yourself what you want
758 2011-04-11 12:05:54 <knotwork> you can choose to be the only miner, or to have some friends also mine for you, or to release data allowing anyone to
759 2011-04-11 12:05:58 <knotwork> mine
760 2011-04-11 12:06:36 <sacarlson> knotwork: I don't know why you would need mining in this case
761 2011-04-11 12:06:55 <knotwork> dont all it mining then. call it blockchain building
762 2011-04-11 12:07:34 <knotwork> internally the "corp" issued 50 coins per block so it can potentially use them to pay for blockchain building
763 2011-04-11 12:08:43 <knotwork> but unless someone other than the corp itself ever does it's blockchain-building, all those 50 coin units are all just
764 2011-04-11 12:09:07 <sacarlson> knotwork:  why don't you continue your sentence?
765 2011-04-11 12:09:11 <knotwork> more assets owned by the corp, thus by you if you are only person it has ever issued any to
766 2011-04-11 12:09:39 <knotwork> most IRC channels I see attempts at wrap so try to emulate but sometimes do run beyond width
767 2011-04-11 12:10:16 <knotwork> now sure what input size limit is for the protocol either for that matter
768 2011-04-11 12:10:20 <knotwork> s/now/not/
769 2011-04-11 12:10:35 <sacarlson> oh wow it's my beer time
770 2011-04-11 12:11:49 <sacarlson> knotwork: nice chat hope we didn't get too far off topic, but I have interest in this concept of how the bitcoin works
771 2011-04-11 12:12:03 <scoots> Is there any reason why you can not delete accounts/addresses from the api
772 2011-04-11 12:12:55 <knotwork> me too. didnt know enough to hack it to start with X coins and not reward miners, so figured if only want limited number can turn off mining in clients at some block later once have enough coins, meanwhile make the initial coins by mining them
773 2011-04-11 12:13:12 <sipa> scoots: 1) it's dangerous 2) nobody implemented it :)
774 2011-04-11 12:17:08 <bamccaig> I'm trying to build from source in Fedora.
775 2011-04-11 12:17:12 <luke-jr> fwiw, uploaded a screenshot of how https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Bitcoin-Watch should look with a standards-compliant IRC client :p
776 2011-04-11 12:17:40 <bamccaig> Apparently there are no packages that provide /usr/include/openssl/ecdsa.h.
777 2011-04-11 12:17:45 <bamccaig> Anybody know where that file comes from?
778 2011-04-11 12:17:58 <krytzz> nice luke-jr
779 2011-04-11 12:18:57 <krytzz> bamccaig: my openssl has it, perhaps its disabled in compiletime in the fedora package
780 2011-04-11 12:45:51 <funkenstein> is there version where i can send less then .01 BTC yet?
781 2011-04-11 12:46:06 <maxlo> ok, so here i posted: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=5700.0
782 2011-04-11 12:46:15 <luke-jr> funkenstein: sure
783 2011-04-11 12:46:18 <maxlo> let's see what people think
784 2011-04-11 12:47:46 <luke-jr> maxlo: Spesmilo already works :D
785 2011-04-11 12:48:14 <Kiba> mahuahahahahhahaha
786 2011-04-11 12:48:25 <Kiba> I am about to triple the size of my content empire
787 2011-04-11 12:48:28 <Kiba> MUHAHHAHAAHAHHAHA
788 2011-04-11 12:48:35 <Kiba> ahem..
789 2011-04-11 12:49:01 <maxlo> what is spesmilo? (i am new, very new, to bitcoin)
790 2011-04-11 12:49:06 <maxlo> another client?
791 2011-04-11 12:49:15 <Kiba> what's spesmilo, luke-jr?
792 2011-04-11 12:49:25 <Kiba> even I don't know, and I am into bitcoin longer than you
793 2011-04-11 12:49:42 <sipa> a separate bitcoin gui, that connects using rpc?
794 2011-04-11 12:50:01 <maxlo> it seems another client. but anyways, i guess that it would be a good idea to fix the "original" client
795 2011-04-11 12:50:19 <sipa> the original client can
796 2011-04-11 12:50:36 <sipa> only the gui doesn't allow it, but if you use rpc calls, it works fine
797 2011-04-11 12:50:44 <sipa> and that will be fixed in the next release
798 2011-04-11 12:54:22 <luke-jr> maxlo: PySide/Qt client
799 2011-04-11 12:54:58 <luke-jr> sipa: maxlo is talking about systray behaviour, not subcent
800 2011-04-11 13:19:57 <bamccaig> Whoo, red two-door coupe, $1050/year for insurance (knowing about my latest speeding ticket)! o/
801 2011-04-11 13:20:09 <bamccaig> Err, wrong channel. ;D
802 2011-04-11 13:20:44 <bamccaig> krytzz: Thanks... I guess I'll have to install deps by hand. :(
803 2011-04-11 13:24:53 <camel2> who knows PHP and wants 30 bitcoins?
804 2011-04-11 13:25:00 <EvanR-work> camel2: i do
805 2011-04-11 13:25:06 <EvanR-work> but i dont think thats the right question
806 2011-04-11 13:25:18 <sipa> depends, do i have to do anything in addition to knowing PHP?
807 2011-04-11 13:25:20 <[Tycho]> What's your question ?
808 2011-04-11 13:25:21 <camel2> https://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2004.20
809 2011-04-11 13:25:35 <camel2> i need to repair that module
810 2011-04-11 13:26:01 <camel2> on PS 1.3 it worked ok, but now it won't save the orders in the database
811 2011-04-11 13:26:21 <camel2> it processes ok, payments are made but... no evidence of the order
812 2011-04-11 13:27:12 <EvanR-work> sipa: no it doesnt depend, whether you not you have to do anything doent change whether you want bitcoins or knew php ;)
813 2011-04-11 13:28:14 <camel2> also the module won't appear in "currencies restriction" page
814 2011-04-11 13:28:25 <camel2> but that's not an issue
815 2011-04-11 13:28:46 <luke-jr> camel2: I think you want someone who knows what PS is
816 2011-04-11 13:28:58 <camel2> i think it's just a compatibility problem.
817 2011-04-11 13:29:01 <camel2> Prestashop
818 2011-04-11 13:29:09 <camel2> e-commerce platform
819 2011-04-11 13:29:29 <luke-jr> point being, looks like something that would take me over an hour, since I don't know anything about it, so not worth 30 BTC
820 2011-04-11 13:29:51 <camel2> ok...
821 2011-04-11 13:34:06 <KuT-Sickness> btw camel2, be carefull who you let working on your webshop ;)
822 2011-04-11 13:36:10 <camel2> i won't let anyone. who wants the bounty can download ps1.4 and the module. theyre free
823 2011-04-11 13:36:17 <bamccaig> $monies->give($you, 1); $monies->give($me, 2);
824 2011-04-11 13:36:42 <camel2> ?
825 2011-04-11 13:37:23 <bamccaig> i.e., what happens when you ask just anybody to maintain your webshop codez. ;D
826 2011-04-11 13:41:10 <camel2> i don't know php but I ain't dumb. i test everything first
827 2011-04-11 13:47:52 <bamccaig> :\n399446
828 2011-04-11 13:48:12 <MacRohard> the network confirms them
829 2011-04-11 13:48:29 <MacRohard> you'll have to wait for your client to catch up with the blocks when you turn it back on before you can see it though
830 2011-04-11 13:48:50 <tabsa> k, got it :)
831 2011-04-11 13:50:50 <luke-jr> tabsa: the reality is, bitcoins aren't in your wallet
832 2011-04-11 13:50:56 <luke-jr> they're in a distributed safe deposit box
833 2011-04-11 13:51:03 <luke-jr> your wallet just holds the key to it
834 2011-04-11 13:52:40 <tabsa> yeah. now i remember reading about, it just didn't click
835 2011-04-11 13:53:29 <tabsa> i remember reading about it, but it didn't quite click until you put it this way <- thats what i wanted to say
836 2011-04-11 14:14:36 <dbitcoin> ;;bc,stats
837 2011-04-11 14:14:39 <gribble> Current Blocks: 117835 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 1108 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 3 hours, 7 minutes, and 28 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 88991.37540922
838 2011-04-11 14:48:31 <kiba> hey guys
839 2011-04-11 14:49:13 <luke-jr> kiba: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
840 2011-04-11 14:51:33 <kiba> what's the video about?
841 2011-04-11 14:51:53 <luke-jr> Bitcoin promo
842 2011-04-11 14:52:02 <kiba> is it that animation video?
843 2011-04-11 14:55:26 <luke-jr> kiba: new one
844 2011-04-11 14:56:46 <luke-jr> XD
845 2011-04-11 15:01:42 <kiba> luke-jr: you have to a lot better at rickrolling me
846 2011-04-11 15:01:57 <luke-jr> kiba: Spesmilo.
847 2011-04-11 15:02:56 <cosurgi> the fan died
848 2011-04-11 15:04:01 <cosurgi> ArtForz - I travelled 15km this moorning, and it turns out that the left fan died. It's an 5850 from gigabyte, two-fanned version.
849 2011-04-11 15:04:30 <luke-jr> cosurgi: what happened?
850 2011-04-11 15:04:36 <cosurgi> I RMA-ed it in local shop. Will take two weeks, and I'll lose about 55 BTC due to that.
851 2011-04-11 15:04:55 <luke-jr> cosurgi: I mean, what were the practical effects when the fan died?
852 2011-04-11 15:05:19 <cosurgi> luke-jr: the fan. it died. No more rotating. The GPU temp kept steady at 95 C for 12 hours straight.
853 2011-04-11 15:05:48 <luke-jr> does it meltdown or catch fire?
854 2011-04-11 15:05:49 <cosurgi> when trying to bring it up - hard hang.
855 2011-04-11 15:05:51 <midnightmagic> cosurgi: that's supposed to be something the cards can take.
856 2011-04-11 15:06:37 <cosurgi> I took it off from PCc, and looked quite OK, no smell, no burns, nothing. Only I couldn't rotate the fan with my fingers.
857 2011-04-11 15:07:27 <jgarzik> where is lfm, when you need 'em?
858 2011-04-11 15:07:30 <cosurgi> and was very clean.
859 2011-04-11 15:08:02 <cosurgi> The guy in the shop was thinking that I used vacuum cleaner before RMA. I told that I didn't -- I just keep it in an air conditioned server rooom.