1 2011-04-14 00:01:42 <da2ce7> ;;bc,stats
  2 2011-04-14 00:01:44 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118263 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 680 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 0 hours, 31 minutes, and 20 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 92708.39380922
  3 2011-04-14 00:07:03 <awitte> hi
  4 2011-04-14 00:07:36 <slueth> dam it seems like the difficulty is going up so fast :X
  5 2011-04-14 00:08:12 <awitte> I have a short question
  6 2011-04-14 00:09:03 <Blitzboom> ask away
  7 2011-04-14 00:09:06 <awitte> Is there a possibility of automated sending bitcoins
  8 2011-04-14 00:09:14 <[Tycho]> Sure.
  9 2011-04-14 00:09:18 <Necr0s> Surely.
 10 2011-04-14 00:09:19 <awitte> every week / month
 11 2011-04-14 00:09:39 <Necr0s> The RPC API would be the ticket for setting that up.
 12 2011-04-14 00:10:19 <awitte> its not in the windows programm?
 13 2011-04-14 00:10:44 <[Tycho]> You can do that in Windows.
 14 2011-04-14 00:11:37 <awitte> you know where?
 15 2011-04-14 00:12:10 <[Tycho]> Yes. Use task sheduler to run bitcoin with appropriate commandline arguments.
 16 2011-04-14 00:12:37 <Necr0s> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/API_reference_(JSON-RPC)
 17 2011-04-14 00:13:27 <awitte> k thx
 18 2011-04-14 00:15:20 <Keefe> luke-jr: just noticed -watch, Txn and Blk. perfect :)
 19 2011-04-14 00:15:29 <luke-jr> :D
 20 2011-04-14 00:15:32 <Keefe> why didn't i think of that :)
 21 2011-04-14 00:15:45 <luke-jr> Keefe: I also forced the trades to standard units
 22 2011-04-14 00:15:56 <luke-jr> so rubles will always show as ___RUB
 23 2011-04-14 00:16:13 <luke-jr> with the processor dimmed, and currency at full brightness
 24 2011-04-14 00:16:21 <luke-jr> same w/ PXGAU and WMGAU
 25 2011-04-14 00:16:51 <Keefe> nice
 26 2011-04-14 00:17:18 <Keefe> so i no longer have to remember the WM letters
 27 2011-04-14 00:17:42 <luke-jr> :
 28 2011-04-14 00:18:08 <luke-jr> Keefe: btw, like my vanity bitcoin address for donations? :P
 29 2011-04-14 00:18:11 <luke-jr> (ends in Bit)
 30 2011-04-14 00:19:42 <Keefe> :)  was just thinking the other day about using "vanity" addresses to play chess with someone
 31 2011-04-14 00:20:23 <Keefe> without telling anyone first. see if anyone noticed in -watch or something
 32 2011-04-14 00:24:11 <necrodearia> By the way, should http://www.bitcoin.org/favicon.ico be changed to look like the icon in http://www.bitcoin.org/img/logo.png ?
 33 2011-04-14 00:24:52 <tcatm> no. I like the coin logo :)
 34 2011-04-14 00:26:00 <tcatm> luke-jr: is there anyone in -monitor who is not in -watch?
 35 2011-04-14 00:38:28 <EPiSKiNG> [Tycho]: I should switch to pps
 36 2011-04-14 00:38:54 <EPiSKiNG> nm
 37 2011-04-14 00:38:57 <EPiSKiNG> disregard
 38 2011-04-14 00:38:58 <EPiSKiNG> thanks
 39 2011-04-14 00:40:23 <[Tycho]> :)
 40 2011-04-14 00:40:50 <EPiSKiNG> ps.  do i get a bonus when i sign someone up? ;)
 41 2011-04-14 00:41:45 <[Tycho]> Actually at this moment I can't adjust people's fee separately. But i'll think about it.
 42 2011-04-14 00:43:29 <underscor> Your order has been chosen for manual review. Please reply to this email and let us know if the number xxx-xxx-xxxx can receive SMS.
 43 2011-04-14 00:43:36 <underscor> Damn, I really wanted some bitcoins
 44 2011-04-14 00:43:49 <underscor> (from coinpal)
 45 2011-04-14 00:45:01 <[Tycho]> The flooder is back again ? :)
 46 2011-04-14 00:46:03 <EPiSKiNG> i was reading about that just now
 47 2011-04-14 00:49:21 <underscor> Are there rules about adding a business to the https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Trade page?
 48 2011-04-14 00:49:35 <underscor> ie, can the proprietor do it, or does a third party need to?
 49 2011-04-14 00:50:06 <Blitzboom> anyone can
 50 2011-04-14 00:50:14 <underscor> Okay, cool
 51 2011-04-14 00:50:31 <underscor> (/me is setting up a bitcoin-accepting seedbox provider)
 52 2011-04-14 00:50:40 <Blitzboom> nice
 53 2011-04-14 00:51:22 <underscor> http://simplshare.info/ :)
 54 2011-04-14 00:51:32 <underscor> I figure it's a good application of the anonymity bit
 55 2011-04-14 00:52:40 <sacarlson> [Tycho]: flooder?  flooding what?
 56 2011-04-14 01:04:26 <funkenstein> hey anybody mind if i send .01BTC back and forth to myself 10^6 times or so?
 57 2011-04-14 01:05:06 <luke-jr> tcatm: no idea, why?
 58 2011-04-14 01:05:44 <funkenstein> just curious what the network load would be
 59 2011-04-14 01:06:41 <luke-jr> tcatm: at a glance, I think so
 60 2011-04-14 01:06:51 <tcatm> luke-jr: I closed -monitor. No need to duplicate functionality
 61 2011-04-14 01:06:54 <luke-jr> funkenstein: retards do that all the time
 62 2011-04-14 01:07:41 <luke-jr> tcatm: might make sense to change the topic to point to -watch, then.
 63 2011-04-14 01:07:53 <luke-jr> oh, you did
 64 2011-04-14 01:08:03 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,stats
 65 2011-04-14 01:08:04 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118276 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 667 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 21 hours, 45 minutes, and 2 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 93057.91086169
 66 2011-04-14 01:08:24 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,calcd 355000 93057.91086169
 67 2011-04-14 01:08:24 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 355000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 93057.91086169, is 1 week, 6 days, 0 hours, 44 minutes, and 21 seconds
 68 2011-04-14 01:09:57 <luke-jr> tcatm: I counted 8 people, fwiw
 69 2011-04-14 01:11:17 <[Tycho]> faucet is hacked ? :)
 70 2011-04-14 01:11:29 <luke-jr> H
 71 2011-04-14 01:11:53 <[Tycho]> What is "H" ?
 72 2011-04-14 01:12:48 <luke-jr> what it looks like?
 73 2011-04-14 01:12:59 <funkenstein> ??
 74 2011-04-14 01:13:49 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: ? followed by !
 75 2011-04-14 01:13:50 <funkenstein> ?
 76 2011-04-14 01:17:57 <underscor> =
 77 2011-04-14 01:18:03 <underscor> weird
 78 2011-04-14 01:19:52 <luke-jr> XD
 79 2011-04-14 01:23:54 <JFK911> ;;bc,mtgox
 80 2011-04-14 01:23:55 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1,"low":0.8636,"vol":42121,"buy":0.9102,"sell":0.9349,"last":0.9102}}
 81 2011-04-14 01:24:24 <luke-jr> tcatm: it might be useful, to show the new "low ask" or "high bid" on trades
 82 2011-04-14 01:24:46 <tcatm> for the telnet stream?
 83 2011-04-14 01:25:26 <tcatm> there'll be a new, realtime stream within the next months featuring orderbook updates
 84 2011-04-14 01:25:38 <luke-jr> OTC orderbook?
 85 2011-04-14 01:25:45 <luke-jr> or general, for all the markets?
 86 2011-04-14 01:25:50 <tcatm> all markets
 87 2011-04-14 01:25:53 <luke-jr> hm
 88 2011-04-14 01:26:23 <luke-jr> tcatm: btw, have you seen the latest version of -watch? It's quite nice :
 89 2011-04-14 01:26:31 <tcatm> nope
 90 2011-04-14 01:27:30 <luke-jr> <ljrbot>      trade MtGox:         24.00   BTC @    0.91019    MTGUSD
 91 2011-04-14 01:27:47 <luke-jr> timestamps are appended, if older than 5 minutes
 92 2011-04-14 01:28:00 <tcatm> nice
 93 2011-04-14 01:29:12 <tcatm> are you connecting from a fixed IP?
 94 2011-04-14 01:29:21 <luke-jr> yeah, why?
 95 2011-04-14 01:29:43 <tcatm> I'm watching netstat for connections on port 27007
 96 2011-04-14 01:29:54 <luke-jr> 2001:470:88ff:2e::1 or 173.242.112.53
 97 2011-04-14 01:30:13 <tcatm> k
 98 2011-04-14 01:30:27 <tcatm> telnet stream doesn't support IPv6 yet
 99 2011-04-14 01:39:35 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Daniel Folkinshteyn * r7b4a41df9821 supybot-bitcoin-marketmonitor/OTCOrderBook/plugin.py: OTCOrderBook: set autoincrement to stop reusing order ids. http://tinyurl.com/44hnlwd
100 2011-04-14 01:41:50 <grbgout> hah, think this guy is involved with bitcoins: http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/bar/2311785717.html
101 2011-04-14 01:44:55 <luke-jr> got one of those in tampa too
102 2011-04-14 01:44:59 <luke-jr> almost the exact same wording
103 2011-04-14 01:45:10 <grbgout> what else could it be?
104 2011-04-14 01:46:06 <luke-jr> grbgout: wifi cracking?
105 2011-04-14 01:46:35 <grbgout> luke-jr: aye, or just cracking in general (jack the ripper on crack, or something)
106 2011-04-14 01:50:40 <grbgout> damn, the prices on the 5870s I was looking at on ebay went crazy; none of them are even within a day of auction close.
107 2011-04-14 02:03:26 <kiba> O_o
108 2011-04-14 02:03:32 <kiba> linux is twenty years old
109 2011-04-14 02:03:38 <kiba> I am twenty years old :(
110 2011-04-14 02:03:42 <luke-jr> GNU is older.
111 2011-04-14 02:03:54 <kiba> I am old :()
112 2011-04-14 02:03:58 <luke-jr> someone's robbing the faucet again
113 2011-04-14 02:04:08 <luke-jr> kiba: I am 26 (deci)
114 2011-04-14 02:06:46 <grbgout> kiba: don't worry, you aren't officially old until you turn 25: that's when your brain stops developing (supposedly; although I did read something a few years later that suggested otherwise).
115 2011-04-14 02:09:37 <sacarlson> ok time to play with bitcoind in test mode. how can I get some coins to add to it?
116 2011-04-14 02:10:11 <grbgout> sacarlson: I believe there's a TESTNET faucet
117 2011-04-14 02:10:34 <sacarlson> also I don't want to mess up my real walet,  testnet faucet I'll try google that
118 2011-04-14 02:10:36 <grbgout> https://freebitcoins.appspot.com/test/
119 2011-04-14 02:10:42 <grbgout> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Testnet
120 2011-04-14 02:11:30 <sacarlson> grbgout: perfect thanks
121 2011-04-14 02:13:01 <noagendamarket> wait till you turn 40 then tell me how old you feel...
122 2011-04-14 02:15:19 <[Tycho]> Someone forgot to close the valve :) http://www.bitcoinmonitor.com/
123 2011-04-14 02:18:18 <grbgout> wow, OpenGL 3.1 vs 3.2 is roughly an $80 difference at newegg for the same card.
124 2011-04-14 02:19:10 <forrestv> why does bitcoin's domain on the .it tld?
125 2011-04-14 02:19:22 <grbgout> tld?
126 2011-04-14 02:19:24 <kiba> ya mean the bitcoin wiki?
127 2011-04-14 02:19:37 <forrestv> oh ... yeah.
128 2011-04-14 02:19:45 <forrestv> en.bitcoin.it
129 2011-04-14 02:19:55 <kiba> let bitcoin it!
130 2011-04-14 02:20:03 <kiba> dunno
131 2011-04-14 02:24:04 <lfm> italt
132 2011-04-14 02:24:10 <lfm> italy
133 2011-04-14 02:24:33 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Daniel Folkinshteyn * r8028c0cca146 supybot-bitcoin-marketmonitor/OTCOrderBook/plugin.py: OTCOrderBook: forgot to add the extratime to long orders. http://tinyurl.com/5vovms5
134 2011-04-14 02:27:10 <lfm> en is for english, it is for italy in en.bitcoin.iy
135 2011-04-14 02:27:19 <lfm> en is for english, it is for italy in en.bitcoin.it
136 2011-04-14 02:36:02 <kiba> lfm: who give a damn about what the TLD belongs to what state
137 2011-04-14 02:36:21 <luke-jr> http://www.bitcoinmonitor.com/ leaky faucet
138 2011-04-14 02:36:47 <grbgout> What would you guys say is a fair price for a lightly used HD 5850?
139 2011-04-14 02:37:17 <luke-jr> grbgout: non-overclocked?
140 2011-04-14 02:37:25 <grbgout> luke-jr: probably
141 2011-04-14 02:37:31 <luke-jr> maybe $150-$160?
142 2011-04-14 02:37:38 <grbgout> lookin' through craigslist.
143 2011-04-14 02:37:45 <grbgout> nah, you can get one for that from newegg brand new.
144 2011-04-14 02:38:03 <grbgout> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121375R
145 2011-04-14 02:38:09 <grbgout> deactivated, though ^_^
146 2011-04-14 02:38:52 <grbgout> I'll offer him $100 and see what happens :)
147 2011-04-14 02:41:54 <JFK911> ;;bc,stats
148 2011-04-14 02:41:57 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118290 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 653 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 19 hours, 46 minutes, and 58 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 93288.33727926
149 2011-04-14 03:04:41 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik settxfee * r0e014e026264 bitcoind-personal/rpc.cpp: Add 'settxfee' RPC, to set transaction fee at runtime http://tinyurl.com/3s5z5e9
150 2011-04-14 03:06:04 <Necr0s> ^ That sounds like a useful addition.
151 2011-04-14 03:09:01 <eternal1> when i pay a transaction fee, who get that bitcoin ?
152 2011-04-14 03:09:14 <[Tycho]> Miner of the block.
153 2011-04-14 03:09:28 <lfm> the next miner to find a block and include your txn in that block
154 2011-04-14 03:09:58 <witten> does the bitcoin client take several minutes to start up for anyone else?
155 2011-04-14 03:10:14 <jgarzik> witten: do you have all blocks downloaded?  was it a while, since you last ran it?
156 2011-04-14 03:10:15 <lfm> witten: depends how long its been off
157 2011-04-14 03:10:20 <Necr0s> It takes a while to download the block chain if it's a new install.
158 2011-04-14 03:10:32 <witten> jgarzik: a couple of hours at most
159 2011-04-14 03:10:41 <witten> this is an existing install
160 2011-04-14 03:10:47 <Necr0s> No, it starts up in seconds for me (on OS X)
161 2011-04-14 03:10:55 <witten> it downloads the remaining block chain before the GUI shows up?
162 2011-04-14 03:11:06 <lfm> witten: may also take a while to establish the first connection
163 2011-04-14 03:11:15 <Necr0s> GUI shows first, then downloading commences.
164 2011-04-14 03:11:19 <jgarzik> witten: GUI shows before all blocks are downloaded
165 2011-04-14 03:11:25 <witten> lfm: does it establish the first connection before the GUI starts?
166 2011-04-14 03:11:35 <lfm> not always
167 2011-04-14 03:11:40 <witten> then I'm not sure what it's doing.. next time I'll strace it
168 2011-04-14 03:11:54 <Necr0s> That sounds like the ticket.
169 2011-04-14 03:12:52 <witten> hmm, could be
170 2011-04-14 03:13:06 <Necr0s> That's quite often the culprit with these long-assed delays.
171 2011-04-14 03:13:26 <Necr0s> But strace will give you a better idea.
172 2011-04-14 03:13:36 <witten> thanks
173 2011-04-14 03:14:05 <lfm> bitcoin doesnt use dns much
174 2011-04-14 03:14:18 <eternal1> so, my txn gets to the hashchain via the winner miner ?
175 2011-04-14 03:14:19 <lfm> just to get an irc server I think
176 2011-04-14 03:14:32 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Daniel Folkinshteyn * rc1ab5f14732d supybot-bitcoin-marketmonitor/OTCWebsite/viewratings.php: OTCWebsite: case insensitive match on nick between rating and gpg dbs http://tinyurl.com/439l2zp
177 2011-04-14 03:14:34 <Necr0s> But during initialization it might, inadvertantly even.
178 2011-04-14 03:14:59 <lfm> eternal1: ya the block chain
179 2011-04-14 03:15:19 <Necr0s> Trying to resolve the local IP to a hostname is a common one I see.
180 2011-04-14 03:15:28 <eternal1> ok, thx lfm
181 2011-04-14 03:16:12 <eternal1> so all that confirmation that i get after the txn are blocks added after my txn is completed ?
182 2011-04-14 03:16:21 <lfm> right
183 2011-04-14 03:16:21 <witten> ooh, I got a segfault when I toggle the use UPNP option in settings
184 2011-04-14 03:16:30 <lfm> cool
185 2011-04-14 03:16:36 <witten> is a certain version of UPNP required?
186 2011-04-14 03:17:01 <lfm> check in buid-unix.txt
187 2011-04-14 03:17:09 <lfm> build-unix.txt
188 2011-04-14 03:17:11 <eternal1> but, so only mining is the only way of generation bitcoins
189 2011-04-14 03:17:13 <Necr0s> On some LANs, attempting to get the hostname for the local IP results in an immediate "host/server not found", and the process proceeds.  but on others the request gets blackholed, and the whole process blocks waiting on that operation.
190 2011-04-14 03:17:28 <eternal1> can i generate bitcoins processing the txns ?
191 2011-04-14 03:17:29 <lfm> eternal1: um yes
192 2011-04-14 03:17:35 <witten> lfm: good point.. looks like I have the right version
193 2011-04-14 03:17:36 <Necr0s> (and on some other lans like mine, the request results in getting the proper hostname back.)
194 2011-04-14 03:18:11 <lfm> eternal1: um yes only miners add new blocks to the block chain and thats the only way your txn are confirmed
195 2011-04-14 03:18:38 <Necr0s> Only mining can generate new bitcoins, yes.
196 2011-04-14 03:18:48 <Necr0s> There is no other way to add BTC to the "system".
197 2011-04-14 03:20:23 <eternal1> thx so much
198 2011-04-14 03:20:57 <luke-jr> jgarzik: don't suppose you can save the faucet?
199 2011-04-14 03:20:59 <luke-jr> jgarzik: it's leaky
200 2011-04-14 03:21:13 <jgarzik> luke-jr: ?
201 2011-04-14 03:22:05 <luke-jr> jgarzik: someone's stealing all its nickels
202 2011-04-14 03:22:40 <Blitzboom> how do you know its not normal people?
203 2011-04-14 03:22:46 <lfm> looks like the faucet changed to using google capchas
204 2011-04-14 03:23:09 <Blitzboom> details? i havent
205 2011-04-14 03:23:34 <Blitzboom> maybe gavin should put a graph up
206 2011-04-14 03:24:16 <luke-jr> http://www.bitcoinmonitor.com/
207 2011-04-14 03:24:23 <jgarzik> giving away money is not a sustainable operation
208 2011-04-14 03:24:31 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Daniel Folkinshteyn * red910de74fff supybot-bitcoin-marketmonitor/OTCWebsite/viewratingdetail.php: OTCWebsite: case insensitive nick matching for ratingdetail http://tinyurl.com/6e6bs5c
209 2011-04-14 03:32:34 <Compgenius> hey guys, how would I limit the amount of connections bitcoin makes?
210 2011-04-14 03:32:48 <[Tycho]> Why would you want that ?
211 2011-04-14 03:32:49 <Compgenius> at the moment it's making 48 connections and it's increasing by the minute
212 2011-04-14 03:33:35 <Compgenius> [Tycho], because it appears to be slowing my bitcoin down
213 2011-04-14 03:34:28 <[Tycho]> No, it doesn't.
214 2011-04-14 03:34:38 <[Tycho]> It's your first time ?
215 2011-04-14 03:34:54 <witten> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/156
216 2011-04-14 03:35:06 <Compgenius> yeah, but with 10-15 connections the blocks are coming in quite fast, with 50+ they're coming in 1 per 30 seconds
217 2011-04-14 03:35:15 <Compgenius> i still haven't completed the block tree after nearly an hour
218 2011-04-14 03:35:53 <[Tycho]> You should wait for all the blocks. It's needed only in the first time.
219 2011-04-14 03:38:34 <lfm> Compgenius: ya too many connections can overload your system
220 2011-04-14 03:39:20 <lfm> I think you can try command line option -maxconnects=30 or something
221 2011-04-14 03:41:43 <gjs278> I can't even compile the upnp crap
222 2011-04-14 03:41:53 <gjs278> it refuses to detect the library
223 2011-04-14 03:42:17 <luke-jr> otg|gjs278, sure its installed?
224 2011-04-14 03:42:21 <lfm> lib miniupnp?
225 2011-04-14 03:42:29 <gjs278> yes
226 2011-04-14 03:42:42 <luke-jr> otg|and devel pkg?
227 2011-04-14 03:43:15 <gjs278> http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/9030/screenshotnej.png
228 2011-04-14 03:43:24 <gjs278> it claims it has the client library
229 2011-04-14 03:43:54 <gjs278> and it's under net-libs... so that would be it
230 2011-04-14 03:43:54 <luke-jr> otg|did you edit makefile.unix?
231 2011-04-14 03:43:58 <gjs278> what do I have to edit
232 2011-04-14 03:44:11 <luke-jr> otg|replace static w dynamic
233 2011-04-14 03:45:16 <gjs278> that did it
234 2011-04-14 03:45:20 <gjs278> forgot to reapply that one
235 2011-04-14 03:45:28 <gjs278> although when I did make all
236 2011-04-14 03:45:31 <gjs278> all I got was bitcoin
237 2011-04-14 03:45:49 <luke-jr> otg|gjs278, updating the ebuild?
238 2011-04-14 03:46:01 <gjs278> I'm doing it fromtheir git source
239 2011-04-14 03:46:10 <gjs278> but seriously why drop bitcoind from "all"
240 2011-04-14 03:46:29 <gjs278> all: bitcoin is the line it has now
241 2011-04-14 03:46:29 <luke-jr> otg|there's a bitcoin git ebuild
242 2011-04-14 03:46:44 <gjs278> yeah I know but I work in this thing to test different stuff
243 2011-04-14 03:48:09 <gjs278> I cross compile the windows builds too, otherwise I'd work in the gentoo bare git repo that they place in distfiles
244 2011-04-14 03:49:12 <gjs278> # ./bitcoind -server... and it hangs
245 2011-04-14 03:49:49 <lfm> -server would be redundant on bitcoind
246 2011-04-14 03:50:00 <gjs278> I'll try it without it
247 2011-04-14 03:50:10 <Radsr> What is love
248 2011-04-14 03:50:12 <Radsr> Oh baby, don't hurt me
249 2011-04-14 03:50:13 <Radsr> Don't hurt me no more
250 2011-04-14 03:50:15 <gjs278> still redundant, still hangs
251 2011-04-14 03:50:15 <Radsr> Oh, baby don't hurt me
252 2011-04-14 03:50:17 <Radsr> Don't hurt me no more
253 2011-04-14 03:50:20 <Radsr> What is love
254 2011-04-14 03:50:22 <Radsr> Yeah
255 2011-04-14 03:50:24 <gjs278> whoever made this hang will pay the ultimate price
256 2011-04-14 03:50:25 <Radsr> Oh, I don't know why you're not there
257 2011-04-14 03:50:27 <Radsr> I give you my love, but you don't care
258 2011-04-14 03:50:28 <Radsr> So what is right and what is wrong
259 2011-04-14 03:50:30 <Radsr> Gimme a sign
260 2011-04-14 03:50:33 <luke-jr> otg|stfu
261 2011-04-14 03:50:34 <Radsr> What is love
262 2011-04-14 03:50:35 <Radsr> Oh baby, don't hurt me
263 2011-04-14 03:50:37 <Radsr> Don't hurt me no more
264 2011-04-14 03:50:39 <Radsr> What is love
265 2011-04-14 03:50:40 <Radsr> Oh baby, don't hurt me
266 2011-04-14 03:50:42 <Radsr> Don't hurt me no more
267 2011-04-14 03:50:45 <Radsr> Whoa whoa whoa, oooh oooh
268 2011-04-14 03:50:47 <Radsr> Whoa whoa whoa, oooh oooh
269 2011-04-14 03:50:50 <Radsr> Oh, I don't know, what can I do
270 2011-04-14 03:50:52 <Radsr> What else can I say, it's up to you
271 2011-04-14 03:50:53 <luke-jr> otg|jgarzik,
272 2011-04-14 03:50:54 <Radsr> I know we're one, just me and you
273 2011-04-14 03:50:56 <Radsr> I can't go on
274 2011-04-14 03:50:57 <gjs278> luke-jr|otg is this hanging of bitcoind intentional
275 2011-04-14 03:50:59 <Radsr> What is love
276 2011-04-14 03:51:01 <lfm> /ignore radsr all
277 2011-04-14 03:51:01 <Radsr> Oh baby, don't hurt me
278 2011-04-14 03:51:02 <Radsr> Don't hurt me no more
279 2011-04-14 03:51:03 <[Tycho]> Ignore is so useful...
280 2011-04-14 03:51:04 <Radsr> What is love
281 2011-04-14 03:51:06 <Radsr> Oh baby, don't hurt me
282 2011-04-14 03:51:07 <Radsr> Don't hurt me no more
283 2011-04-14 03:51:09 <gjs278> am I supposed to daemon is not or something
284 2011-04-14 03:51:11 <Radsr> Whoa whoa whoa, oooh oooh
285 2011-04-14 03:51:12 <gjs278> it now*
286 2011-04-14 03:51:13 <Radsr> Whoa whoa whoa, oooh oooh
287 2011-04-14 03:51:16 <Radsr> What is love, oooh, oooh, oooh
288 2011-04-14 03:51:18 <Radsr> What is love, oooh, oooh, oooh
289 2011-04-14 03:51:20 <luke-jr> otg|gjs278, or -daemon
290 2011-04-14 03:51:21 <Radsr> What is love
291 2011-04-14 03:51:23 <Radsr> Oh baby, don't hurt me
292 2011-04-14 03:51:24 <Radsr> Don't hurt me no more
293 2011-04-14 03:51:28 <Radsr> Don't hurt me
294 2011-04-14 03:51:29 <Radsr> Don't hurt me
295 2011-04-14 03:51:33 <Radsr> I want no other, no other lover
296 2011-04-14 03:51:35 <Radsr> This is your life, our time
297 2011-04-14 03:51:36 <Radsr> When we are together, I need you forever
298 2011-04-14 03:51:38 <Radsr> Is it love
299 2011-04-14 03:51:39 <gjs278> why not just daemon by default
300 2011-04-14 03:51:41 <Radsr> What is love
301 2011-04-14 03:51:43 <Radsr> Oh baby, don't hurt me
302 2011-04-14 03:51:44 <luke-jr> otg|jgarzik, he's abusing the SATA code :p
303 2011-04-14 03:51:45 <Radsr> Don't hurt me no more
304 2011-04-14 03:51:47 <Radsr> What is love
305 2011-04-14 03:51:48 <gjs278> who were these people asking for it to hang like that
306 2011-04-14 03:51:48 <Radsr> Oh baby, don't hurt me
307 2011-04-14 03:51:50 <FSDFsdf> Don't hurt me no more (oooh, oooh)
308 2011-04-14 03:51:53 <FSDFsdf> What is love
309 2011-04-14 03:51:55 <FSDFsdf> Oh baby, don't hurt me
310 2011-04-14 03:51:57 <FSDFsdf> Don't hurt me no more
311 2011-04-14 03:51:58 <FSDFsdf> What is love
312 2011-04-14 03:52:00 <FSDFsdf> Oh baby, don't hurt me
313 2011-04-14 03:52:03 <FSDFsdf> Don't hurt me no more (oooh, oooh)
314 2011-04-14 03:52:05 <FSDFsdf> What is love?
315 2011-04-14 03:52:21 <FSDFsdf> What is love
316 2011-04-14 03:52:23 <FSDFsdf> Oh baby, don't hurt me
317 2011-04-14 03:52:24 <FSDFsdf> Don't hurt me no more
318 2011-04-14 03:52:26 <FSDFsdf> Oh, baby don't hurt me
319 2011-04-14 03:52:28 <FSDFsdf> Don't hurt me no more
320 2011-04-14 03:52:31 <FSDFsdf2> What is love
321 2011-04-14 03:52:31 <[Tycho]> lfm, not by nickname :)
322 2011-04-14 03:52:33 <FSDFsdf2> Yeah
323 2011-04-14 03:52:37 <FSDFsdf2> Oh, I don't know why you're not there
324 2011-04-14 03:52:38 <FSDFsdf2> I give you my love, but you don't care
325 2011-04-14 03:52:40 <FSDFsdf2> So what is right and what is wrong
326 2011-04-14 03:52:41 <gjs278> this is wasting write cycles
327 2011-04-14 03:52:42 <FSDFsdf2> Gimme a sign
328 2011-04-14 03:52:43 <gjs278> so badly
329 2011-04-14 03:52:45 <FSDFsdf2> What is love
330 2011-04-14 03:52:47 <FSDFsdf2> Oh baby, don't hurt me
331 2011-04-14 03:52:48 <FSDFsdf2> Don't hurt me no more
332 2011-04-14 03:52:49 <luke-jr> otg|FSDFsdf2, night retard
333 2011-04-14 03:52:50 <FSDFsdf2> What is love
334 2011-04-14 03:53:02 <FSDFsdf2> Oh, I don't know, what can I do
335 2011-04-14 03:53:04 <FSDFsdf3> What else can I say, it's up to you
336 2011-04-14 03:53:05 <FSDFsdf3> I know we're one, just me and you
337 2011-04-14 03:53:07 <FSDFsdf3> I can't go on
338 2011-04-14 03:53:10 <FSDFsdf3> What is love
339 2011-04-14 03:53:10 <gjs278> lies
340 2011-04-14 03:53:12 <Compgenius> gjs278, lern2 /ignore
341 2011-04-14 03:53:12 <FSDFsdf3> Oh baby, don't hurt me
342 2011-04-14 03:53:13 <Compgenius> >_>
343 2011-04-14 03:53:14 <FSDFsdf3> Don't hurt me no more
344 2011-04-14 03:53:16 <FSDFsdf3> What is love
345 2011-04-14 03:53:17 <FSDFsdf3> Oh baby, don't hurt me
346 2011-04-14 03:53:17 <gjs278> no
347 2011-04-14 03:53:19 <FSDFsdf3> Don't hurt me no more
348 2011-04-14 03:53:20 <gjs278> I shouldnt have to
349 2011-04-14 03:53:21 <witten> gjs278: stop logging irc.. problem solved
350 2011-04-14 03:53:24 <gjs278> never
351 2011-04-14 03:53:29 <Compgenius> finally he's gone
352 2011-04-14 03:53:30 <gjs278> important stuff is said here
353 2011-04-14 03:53:47 <nameless> |Sorry guys, I'm sleepy and didn'st see the spam
354 2011-04-14 03:53:50 <lfm> ty nameless|
355 2011-04-14 03:53:54 <forrestv> hehe
356 2011-04-14 03:54:02 <forrestv> i was right!
357 2011-04-14 03:54:04 <forrestv> q:
358 2011-04-14 03:54:36 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Daniel Folkinshteyn * rf309a1f4c59c supybot-bitcoin-marketmonitor/OTCWebsite/viewratings.php: OTCWebsite: fix ratings table sorting http://tinyurl.com/3d9a8rc
359 2011-04-14 03:57:20 <JFK911> hey i like that song.
360 2011-04-14 03:57:22 <JFK911> what is love
361 2011-04-14 03:57:24 <JFK911> derp derp
362 2011-04-14 03:57:33 <gjs278> he found ytmnd yesterday
363 2011-04-14 03:57:48 <JFK911> he'll be busy for a while.
364 2011-04-14 04:04:31 <sacarlson> ok how do I see a transaction that started with bitcoind?  I tried this bitcoind -testnet listreceivedbyaccount and bitcoind -testnet listreceivedbyaddress
365 2011-04-14 04:04:58 <lfm> so wait
366 2011-04-14 04:05:11 <sacarlson> lfm: I already eat my breakfast with no change
367 2011-04-14 04:05:33 <lfm> ok look in http://blockexplorer.com/testnet
368 2011-04-14 04:05:44 <sacarlson> lfm ok thanks
369 2011-04-14 04:09:19 <sacarlson> lfm: I don't seem to see any transactions to n4RBbp1jjEMmztPGBp8HN7BRAQ9bphzHGM on that testnet page
370 2011-04-14 04:09:43 <nathan7> forrestv: Hrm?
371 2011-04-14 04:10:01 <nathan7> forrestv: oh
372 2011-04-14 04:10:03 <nathan7> DAMNIT
373 2011-04-14 04:10:20 <nathan7> now I missed out on an opportunity to finally use my superpowers
374 2011-04-14 04:10:25 <lfm> ta, the block explorer is a few hours old
375 2011-04-14 04:10:51 <lfm> oh testnet is days old
376 2011-04-14 04:11:05 <sacarlson> lfm: oh ok and I got my address with this bitcoind -testnet getnewaddress  that is the correct way is it not?
377 2011-04-14 04:11:24 <lfm> should work
378 2011-04-14 04:11:48 <sacarlson> lfm: ok so maybe problem not on my side yet
379 2011-04-14 04:13:12 <lfm> sacarlson: why does your add start with n instead of m?
380 2011-04-14 04:13:19 <sacarlson> I also have it working to -gen bitcoin with dificulty of 1.0 it might not take long will it?
381 2011-04-14 04:13:36 <sacarlson> lfm: I don't know
382 2011-04-14 04:13:54 <lfm> is it a private net or the public testnet?
383 2011-04-14 04:14:00 <sacarlson> lfm: I just cut and paisted it,  should I try get anther address?
384 2011-04-14 04:14:20 <lfm> nm I was confused
385 2011-04-14 04:14:35 <sacarlson> lfm: I'm just using the build that was on ubuntu ppa
386 2011-04-14 04:15:40 <lfm> I see a testnet txn to mPuEJkvkvCvXDmueUF9uYBy6JQYtyi2HUv
387 2011-04-14 04:16:17 <sacarlson> lfm: I could try my compiled git version but I wanted to try this first to get an understanding how the bitcoind worked
388 2011-04-14 04:17:01 <lfm> TESTBlock #13459 2011-04-14 05:46:17
389 2011-04-14 04:17:28 <sacarlson> lfm: I asume that's not me
390 2011-04-14 04:17:36 <lfm> for 500 btc
391 2011-04-14 04:18:21 <sacarlson> lfm: that's what the faucet said it was going to give me 500 btc
392 2011-04-14 04:18:28 <lfm> my addresses are using the wrong prefix m instead of n
393 2011-04-14 04:19:17 <sacarlson> lfm: should I change my prefix?
394 2011-04-14 04:19:35 <lfm> Im not sure
395 2011-04-14 04:19:54 <sacarlson> lfm: I'll try the git version I compiled about 2 days ago
396 2011-04-14 04:20:21 <Diablo-D3> HOLY SHIT
397 2011-04-14 04:20:26 <Diablo-D3> bitcoin forums now send email!
398 2011-04-14 04:20:54 <sacarlson> lfm: my secound address without changing versions came out mzTHzy912f5MuWNeBMavsKdDNXiGpinuGw
399 2011-04-14 04:21:38 <lfm> ok I'm not sure why some might be m and some n
400 2011-04-14 04:22:22 <sacarlson> lfm: I just used that address on faucet to see if that makes it work
401 2011-04-14 04:23:10 <lfm> the faucet let you try again?
402 2011-04-14 04:24:01 <sacarlson> lfm: I guess so for -testnet I guess it don't care
403 2011-04-14 04:24:13 <sacarlson> but I still see nothing in  bitcoind -testnet listreceivedbyaccount
404 2011-04-14 04:24:41 <sacarlson> will that show even before the transaction is confirmed?
405 2011-04-14 04:26:28 <lfm> add -confirm=0 or something to the command?
406 2011-04-14 04:26:48 <lfm> minconf=0
407 2011-04-14 04:30:09 <yebyen> so, is there a person responsible for this pretty graph that has the price peaking early at about 3:00am every day online?
408 2011-04-14 04:30:33 <yebyen> since, if you do it again, you're about to buy half my bitcoins, i think I'll say hi
409 2011-04-14 04:30:57 <yebyen> HEH
410 2011-04-14 04:31:28 <yebyen> maybe i'm imagining this trend
411 2011-04-14 04:31:33 <yebyen> or it's something biological
412 2011-04-14 04:31:42 <yebyen> and its not one person
413 2011-04-14 04:31:52 <lfm> someone buying daily on a scedule?
414 2011-04-14 04:32:12 <yebyen> hum
415 2011-04-14 04:32:13 <lfm> you would think time zones would spread it out
416 2011-04-14 04:32:35 <lfm> if it was many people
417 2011-04-14 04:32:36 <yebyen> well, someone raising their bid daily at 3am
418 2011-04-14 04:32:47 <lfm> good spot
419 2011-04-14 04:32:54 <yebyen> at least it looks that way from the 48 hour graph
420 2011-04-14 04:33:00 <yebyen> and i seem to remember it looking the same yesterday
421 2011-04-14 04:34:12 <sacarlson> lfm: the -confirm=0 did give any error but still no transaction seen
422 2011-04-14 04:35:43 <sacarlson> lfm: maybe the faucet doen't have any bitcoin in testnet to give away?
423 2011-04-14 04:35:48 <lfm> sacarlson: try  minconf=0
424 2011-04-14 04:36:02 <sacarlson> lfm: I did same no error but no transcation seen
425 2011-04-14 04:36:11 <lfm> sacarlson: naw, its bulgeing
426 2011-04-14 04:37:15 <sacarlson> ifm: well maybe with 14 people in the net it's slower?
427 2011-04-14 05:10:13 <Diablo-D3> hrm
428 2011-04-14 05:10:17 <Diablo-D3> this is interesting
429 2011-04-14 05:10:55 <Diablo-D3> I seem to get less cpu usage if I dont recycle buffers
430 2011-04-14 05:28:21 <gjs278> dude... don't let buffers go to waste just to save cpu
431 2011-04-14 05:28:32 <gjs278> one day we'll run out
432 2011-04-14 05:42:03 <sacarlson> still nothing from the faucet on -testnet  anyone have any extra testnet bitcoin I can use?   my address: mzTHzy912f5MuWNeBMavsKdDNXiGpinuGw
433 2011-04-14 05:42:45 <roconnor> So if I solve a 50 bitcoin block and I want to spend 1 bitcoin, I have to spend 1 bitcoin of that block to whoever and spend the remaining 49 bitcoins back to myself, right?
434 2011-04-14 05:43:02 <roconnor> sacarlson: I'll send you one
435 2011-04-14 05:43:18 <sacarlson> roconnor: thanks
436 2011-04-14 05:43:38 <sacarlson> roconnor: testnet not real coin right
437 2011-04-14 05:43:43 <roconnor> right
438 2011-04-14 05:43:47 <roconnor> I have no real coins :P
439 2011-04-14 05:44:00 <sacarlson> roconnor: ok cool
440 2011-04-14 05:44:24 <roconnor> sent
441 2011-04-14 05:45:33 <sacarlson> roconnor: ok now I can tell if the problem might be on my side,  so far I see nothing with bitcoind -testnet -confirm=0 -minconf=0 listreceivedbyaccount
442 2011-04-14 05:46:05 <roconnor> I have no idea how long these things take to traverse the network
443 2011-04-14 05:47:13 <sacarlson> roconnor: well this is the first time I ever used bitcoind instead of bitcoin gui so I'm not even sure I am using it correctly maybe I should try the gui in testnet mode
444 2011-04-14 05:47:50 <roconnor> sacarlson: heh, and this seems to have answered my question too :D
445 2011-04-14 05:48:06 <sacarlson> roconnor: what's that?
446 2011-04-14 05:48:17 <Diablo-D3> gjs278: hurrr
447 2011-04-14 05:48:43 <roconnor> sacarlson: that to split a coin you have to spend to the person you want and spend the remainder back to yourself.
448 2011-04-14 05:48:49 <gjs278> mystery money should go ruin testnet
449 2011-04-14 05:48:53 <gjs278> miner*
450 2011-04-14 05:49:38 <sacarlson> roconnor: oh IC,  I was wondering what that tranaction on http://www.bitcoinmonitor.com/ was telling me
451 2011-04-14 05:50:18 <Insti> roconnor : yes
452 2011-04-14 05:50:33 <Insti> you always totally spend every input
453 2011-04-14 05:51:15 <sacarlson> do they have a graph like that for testnet http://www.bitcoinmonitor.com/  << like that?
454 2011-04-14 05:56:30 <roconnor> http://blockexplorer.com/testnet seems to be about 100 blocks behind what I have
455 2011-04-14 06:00:35 <sacarlson> roconnor: I'm not running the bitcoin gui -testnet and I see I might have created some blocks is that posible?  but it seems I can't spend them until block 120 later
456 2011-04-14 06:00:53 <sacarlson> i'm now running bitcoin gui
457 2011-04-14 06:00:58 <roconnor> sacarlson: there is some limit like that.
458 2011-04-14 06:02:22 <[Noodles]> that is correct
459 2011-04-14 06:02:31 <[Noodles]> not only on testnet
460 2011-04-14 06:02:49 <[Noodles]> you always have to wait 120blocks for coins to "mature"
461 2011-04-14 06:03:42 <sacarlson> also seems I'm not seeing the transaction from roconnor yet on testnet  I'll give it more time
462 2011-04-14 06:09:01 <Keefe> anyone know a substitute for this now-dead page?: http://nullvoid.org/bitcoin/difficultiez.php
463 2011-04-14 06:11:28 <gjs278> I don't know why anyone would let a page that well linked die
464 2011-04-14 06:11:40 <gjs278> at the very least fill it with ads if you don't feel like hosting it anymore
465 2011-04-14 06:14:27 <BlueMatt> ha
466 2011-04-14 06:14:49 <BlueMatt> god people keep advertising their btc address on the bitcoin wikipedia page its getting really anoying
467 2011-04-14 06:15:06 <gjs278> DONATE PLSSS
468 2011-04-14 06:15:11 <mtrlt> they want all the monies from themselves :(
469 2011-04-14 06:15:13 <mtrlt> for*
470 2011-04-14 06:18:18 <Necr0s> hah
471 2011-04-14 06:19:58 <mahadri> someone's draining the bitcoin faucet at ~6 BTC/hour
472 2011-04-14 06:21:10 <jeremias> lol
473 2011-04-14 06:21:18 <Necr0s> someone has no life.
474 2011-04-14 06:21:34 <sacarlson> I see I'm running "version" : 31900,  on testnet  is that the number now that should work?
475 2011-04-14 06:21:45 <Necr0s> that's a captcha every 30 seconds.
476 2011-04-14 06:22:15 <jeremias> how much are the indian workers paid for solving captcha
477 2011-04-14 06:22:22 <mahadri> plus a new Google account every 30 seconds
478 2011-04-14 06:22:40 <sacarlson> Necr0s: they would also need to create a google acount ever 30 secounds I think
479 2011-04-14 06:22:44 <Necr0s> Ya know, I imagined that somewhere there is a room full of ppl who sit there all day and do nothing but solve captchas.
480 2011-04-14 06:22:58 <Necr0s> Many rooms maybe.
481 2011-04-14 06:23:19 <jeremias> yes there is
482 2011-04-14 06:23:19 <Necr0s> That could be the setting for an oddball movie.
483 2011-04-14 06:23:25 <BlueMatt> I wonder if there is a service for botnets where people can pay to get a ton of captchas solved
484 2011-04-14 06:23:29 <roconnor> Necr0s:  do they do that in India
485 2011-04-14 06:23:30 <jeremias> chinese & indian people do that kind of work full time
486 2011-04-14 06:23:34 <roconnor> they are paid to do this
487 2011-04-14 06:23:41 <Necr0s> heh
488 2011-04-14 06:23:43 <jeremias> there was AMA in reddit once
489 2011-04-14 06:23:56 <sacarlson> Necr0s: that's alot of money to some poor indian so I guess they are motivated
490 2011-04-14 06:23:58 <Necr0s> Man, imagine that hellishness of having that job.
491 2011-04-14 06:24:38 <Necr0s> Probably for the equiv of less than min-wage here.
492 2011-04-14 06:24:42 <BlueMatt> god kill me now
493 2011-04-14 06:25:15 <Necr0s> Metrics on your station to track how many you solve precisely, and the error rate.
494 2011-04-14 06:25:45 <Necr0s> Definite "psych breakdown" movie material.
495 2011-04-14 06:29:21 <Necr0s> I wonder if any of these captcha solving services accept BTC payment...
496 2011-04-14 06:30:06 <gjs278> considering they're all in india, they probably dont feel like screwing around with that
497 2011-04-14 06:30:20 <BlueMatt> lol "They are so terrible, I should support them and buy their service"
498 2011-04-14 06:30:23 <xelister> gjs278: u racist?
499 2011-04-14 06:30:30 <gjs278> dude
500 2011-04-14 06:30:33 <gjs278> every captcha service
501 2011-04-14 06:30:35 <gjs278> is in india
502 2011-04-14 06:30:43 <gjs278> especially the ones on mechanical turk
503 2011-04-14 06:31:00 <gjs278> okay and the phillipines
504 2011-04-14 06:32:58 <jeremias> mechanichal turk using bitcoins would be neat idea
505 2011-04-14 06:33:18 <sacarlson> I note something on my git compiled version is different from my ubuntu ppa in testnet shows  "version" : 32100,  will that still work with "version" : 31900, ?
506 2011-04-14 06:33:23 <jeremias> the problem with mturk is that you can't use it outside US
507 2011-04-14 06:34:20 <Blitzboom> right & bitcoin could solve that
508 2011-04-14 06:34:32 <Blitzboom> chinese and indians working for westerners
509 2011-04-14 06:34:44 <jaromil> mechanical turk is crowdslavery, bitcoin should also offer a fair change to their currencies
510 2011-04-14 06:34:46 <Blitzboom> and earning good money
511 2011-04-14 06:34:51 <thermal> Hu urges reform of int'l financial systems - http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2011-04/14/content_12326363.htm
512 2011-04-14 06:35:06 <jaromil> this would make it take over bcoz ppl then would start using it as a fair currency
513 2011-04-14 06:36:12 <jaromil> in the worst case bitcoin can create competition with other currencies and the whole trade would get better
514 2011-04-14 06:36:19 <jaromil> in fact, bitcoin is already a competitor of mturk
515 2011-04-14 06:36:30 <jaromil> and it feels better than mturk
516 2011-04-14 06:37:03 <roconnor> sacarlson: no, the testnet was reset in version 32000.
517 2011-04-14 06:37:13 <roconnor> sacarlson: at least that is my understanding
518 2011-04-14 06:37:40 <sacarlson> roconnor: ok so now it should work with my git version then?
519 2011-04-14 06:37:54 <roconnor> git or the latest stable release
520 2011-04-14 06:38:17 <sacarlson> roconnor: ok I should have tried this sooner
521 2011-04-14 06:41:52 <thermal> what is the majority of mturk used for?
522 2011-04-14 06:42:21 <sacarlson> should I reset my .bitcoin wallet.dat file since I was running the wrong version when I created it in testnet ?
523 2011-04-14 06:42:59 <sacarlson> roconnor: what version are you running?
524 2011-04-14 06:43:30 <roconnor> 0.3.20.2 BETA
525 2011-04-14 06:44:21 <BlueMatt> sacarlson: no, just the .bitcoin blk*
526 2011-04-14 06:44:23 <BlueMatt> files
527 2011-04-14 06:44:42 <BlueMatt> unless you have a ton of coins, which are now invalid
528 2011-04-14 06:45:12 <sacarlson> roconnor: oh that's different from my git at "version" : 32100,  so will that still work then.  BlueMatt .bitcoin blk* ?  let me take a look
529 2011-04-14 06:45:52 <BlueMatt> sacarlson: specifically .bitcoin/testnet/blk* there should be 2 or three of them
530 2011-04-14 06:46:11 <sacarlson> BlueMatt: yes I see them
531 2011-04-14 06:46:45 <sacarlson> BlueMatt: so I should shutdown bitcoind -testnet stop  and delete them ?
532 2011-04-14 06:47:19 <BlueMatt> sacarlson: yes, if you want to upgrade to 0.3.20.X from 0.3.19, you should shut it down and delete the blk* files in .bitcoin/testnet
533 2011-04-14 06:47:45 <sacarlson> BlueMatt: ok will do thanks
534 2011-04-14 06:48:11 <BlueMatt> and if you have coins, its probably best to delete the wallet as well
535 2011-04-14 06:48:17 <BlueMatt> if you dont, you should be able to just leave it
536 2011-04-14 06:48:38 <roconnor> sacarlson: you won't get my bitcoin if you delete you wallet :P
537 2011-04-14 06:48:46 <roconnor> not that it matters *l*
538 2011-04-14 06:49:17 <BlueMatt> oh, if he already sent you testnetcoins on the 0.3.20 testnet, then keep your wallet
539 2011-04-14 06:49:28 <sacarlson> roconnor: I kept the wallet and just deleted the blk* files in testnet
540 2011-04-14 06:50:03 <CIA-89> DiabloMiner: Patrick McFarland master * r2a4d101 / (4 files in 2 dirs): Create new buffers on every kernel execution, seems to increase speed - http://bit.ly/gsBTXU
541 2011-04-14 06:50:14 <sacarlson> BlueMatt: but I'm running 0.3.21  will I still get his 0.3.20 coins?
542 2011-04-14 06:50:32 <BlueMatt> yea
543 2011-04-14 06:50:40 <BlueMatt> testnet only got reset on 0.3.20
544 2011-04-14 06:50:46 <sacarlson> BlueMatt: ok
545 2011-04-14 07:01:13 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: the issue with http-version is "ui.cpp:1817: warning: cannot pass objects of non-POD type struct std::string through ...; call will abort at runtime"
546 2011-04-14 07:05:17 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: adding a ".c_str()" after FormatFullVersion() in ui.cpp:1817 fixes the issue and makes it work properly
547 2011-04-14 07:10:51 <xelister> * xelister beats up smoser with a metall gauntlet
548 2011-04-14 07:10:53 <xelister> soren sets a ban on *!*xe@unaffiliated/xelister.
549 2011-04-14 07:10:54 <xelister> lol >_>
550 2011-04-14 07:11:03 <xelister> Im so pissed of by shitty software today,.
551 2011-04-14 07:11:46 <gjs278> BlueMatt I hate seeing that warning so much
552 2011-04-14 07:12:24 <gjs278> the makefile should turn on -werror where it fails to compile on warnings. then we can be as bulletproof as nginx
553 2011-04-14 07:12:55 <gjs278> the entire thing and every module compiles with no warnings
554 2011-04-14 07:13:09 <BlueMatt> gjs278: if you ignore that warning, the client crashes when you try to open the about dialog
555 2011-04-14 07:13:18 <gjs278> hilarious
556 2011-04-14 07:13:57 <gjs278> even a better reason to turn on -werror
557 2011-04-14 07:15:09 <gjs278> go the whole way and turn on -Wall too if it's not already on
558 2011-04-14 07:15:14 <gjs278> get these unused variables out of here
559 2011-04-14 07:32:26 <sacarlson> ok now I got my first deposit from faucet of 500 bitcoin on testnet  so I guess it was a version problem before
560 2011-04-14 07:32:44 <roconnor> :)
561 2011-04-14 07:33:13 <sacarlson> roconnor: but I still don't see the deposit from you but maybe just slow?
562 2011-04-14 07:33:56 <roconnor> I have 0 confirmations so far
563 2011-04-14 07:34:11 <roconnor> Does there need to be 1 confirmation for you to see it?
564 2011-04-14 07:37:29 <sacarlson> roconnor: I guess so,  I would think I would have to confirm it first
565 2011-04-14 07:37:55 <roconnor> I theory my transaction is floating around the network
566 2011-04-14 07:37:58 <roconnor> *In theory
567 2011-04-14 07:38:08 <TD> testnet is very slow at confirming
568 2011-04-14 07:38:27 <sacarlson> td: ok so with more users it's faster?
569 2011-04-14 07:38:32 <roconnor> so your client in principle should eventually see it, even with no confirmations
570 2011-04-14 07:38:51 <roconnor> TD: it doesn't help that the main miner on the testnet isn't confirming anything :D
571 2011-04-14 07:38:54 <TD> it needs miners. you can use the testnet in a box and then point a gpu at your local testnet if you want to do some experiments
572 2011-04-14 07:39:24 <sacarlson> roconnor: oh maybe if we pay a fee?
573 2011-04-14 07:39:35 <roconnor> I put a fee in my latest transaction
574 2011-04-14 07:39:56 <sacarlson> well I'm in -gen mode so I guess I'm also a minner
575 2011-04-14 07:40:03 <roconnor> ... not that fee or anything is much of a motivator in testnet :D
576 2011-04-14 07:40:41 <sacarlson> roconnor: well now that I'm rich with 500 bitcoin in testnet I can aford to try fee's
577 2011-04-14 07:40:54 <[Noodles]> sacarlson: -gen at what hashrate?
578 2011-04-14 07:41:42 <sacarlson> [Noodles]:   "hashespersec" : 962086,
579 2011-04-14 07:42:11 <sacarlson> [Noodles]: it was fast enuf to find one block in the last version in about 2 hours
580 2011-04-14 07:42:26 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 17, is 20 hours, 16 minutes, and 54 seconds
581 2011-04-14 07:42:26 <[Noodles]> ;;bc,calcd 1000 17
582 2011-04-14 07:42:29 <sacarlson> in testnet that is
583 2011-04-14 07:42:36 <[Noodles]> 20hours average
584 2011-04-14 07:42:58 <sacarlson> [Noodles]: I must have got lucky
585 2011-04-14 07:43:05 <roconnor> [Noodles]: oh, I though the testnet difficulty was 8.55
586 2011-04-14 07:43:26 <[Noodles]> no, you've just been on a diff1 net (or whatever the difficulty is on *old* testnet)
587 2011-04-14 07:43:40 <sacarlson> roconnor: the testnet difficulty in the priviose version I was running was 1.0
588 2011-04-14 07:43:46 <[Noodles]> on *new* testnet, it's 17.097
589 2011-04-14 07:44:17 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 1, is 1 hour, 11 minutes, and 34 seconds
590 2011-04-14 07:44:17 <sacarlson> ;;bc,calcd 1000 1
591 2011-04-14 07:44:21 <roconnor> I must be calculating it wrong
592 2011-04-14 07:44:34 <roconnor> [Noodles]: where did you find that stat?
593 2011-04-14 07:44:44 <[Noodles]> which one?
594 2011-04-14 07:44:49 <[Noodles]> the diff17?
595 2011-04-14 07:44:50 <roconnor> the dificulty of 17
596 2011-04-14 07:44:56 <[Noodles]> getinfo
597 2011-04-14 07:45:11 <[Noodles]> it's tells you what current diff is
598 2011-04-14 07:45:23 <sacarlson> [Noodles]: which one?  version last is no longer running
599 2011-04-14 07:45:39 <[Noodles]> version last?
600 2011-04-14 07:45:45 <[Noodles]> theres 2 testnets
601 2011-04-14 07:46:11 <BlueMatt> sacarlson: yes it is, you cant shut it down as long as there are people on it.  Its just hard for those nodes to connect to each other as they use the same chan and nodefinding methods
602 2011-04-14 07:46:34 <roconnor> [Noodles]: I see. Thanks
603 2011-04-14 07:48:08 <sacarlson> [Noodles]: I'm not running the last version but I think it was "version" : 31900,
604 2011-04-14 07:48:25 <sacarlson> [Noodles]: that was what I got from ubuntu ppa
605 2011-04-14 07:48:26 <[Noodles]> that was using old testnet
606 2011-04-14 07:48:39 <[Noodles]> 320++ use the new testnet
607 2011-04-14 07:48:50 <sacarlson> [Noodles]: yes so that is why I guess I wasn't getting anything from faucet
608 2011-04-14 07:49:22 <sacarlson> [Noodles]: I'm now running  "version" : 32100,
609 2011-04-14 07:52:16 <roconnor> oh the testnet difficulty differs by a factor of 2 from mainnet
610 2011-04-14 07:53:28 <[Noodles]> yeah, that too
611 2011-04-14 07:54:14 <roconnor> I'm just going to ignore that
612 2011-04-14 07:54:16 <roconnor> :)
613 2011-04-14 07:54:23 <[Noodles]> so, it'll be 10hours average in sacarlsons case, still p??retty bad for *testing* a miner
614 2011-04-14 07:56:49 <sacarlson> anyone want a testnet deposit, if no one wants it I'm sending 2 bitcoin to faucet for test
615 2011-04-14 07:57:02 <roconnor> I do
616 2011-04-14 07:57:12 <roconnor> msgP9oFyvxkTm25UDQ5YKhtQxwp5rMTWFX
617 2011-04-14 07:57:12 <sacarlson> roconnor: ok give me you address
618 2011-04-14 07:57:14 <sacarlson> ok
619 2011-04-14 07:57:46 <xelister> roconnor: I can sell you 500 TBTC ;)
620 2011-04-14 07:57:57 <roconnor> :)
621 2011-04-14 07:58:13 <roconnor> I'm more interested in the transaction than the amount
622 2011-04-14 07:58:39 <xelister> want 100 TBTC for 1 BTC?
623 2011-04-14 07:59:03 <sacarlson> roconnor: ok sent and I got this returned from bitcoind 6387f2cd94faff4c97323c4c9a4a3e0147effc25ba7d9d8593aee6c584ef9725
624 2011-04-14 07:59:35 <roconnor> sacarlson: thanks
625 2011-04-14 08:00:31 <LobsterMan> when you send a payment to yourself, does that transaction need to be acknowledged or does it even add to the block chain or change anything?
626 2011-04-14 08:01:28 <[Noodles]> if you ever want to spend them, yes
627 2011-04-14 08:01:49 <[Noodles]> the blockchain needs to know which key holds what coins
628 2011-04-14 08:02:01 <LobsterMan> i mean...
629 2011-04-14 08:02:13 <[Noodles]> it doesnt care who owns those keys, might be you or someone else
630 2011-04-14 08:02:27 <LobsterMan> i mean if i send from say address 1EpU6knUSfyTkhP9dSkgWes7zLoUNrQnHA to 1EpU6knUSfyTkhP9dSkgWes7zLoUNrQnHA
631 2011-04-14 08:02:32 <LobsterMan> so nothing actually changes hands
632 2011-04-14 08:02:39 <[Noodles]> it DOES change hands
633 2011-04-14 08:02:41 <Keefe> can you even do that?
634 2011-04-14 08:02:48 <LobsterMan> yes, it says payment to yourself in bitcoin
635 2011-04-14 08:02:49 <LobsterMan> lol
636 2011-04-14 08:02:49 <[Noodles]> oh, i see
637 2011-04-14 08:02:53 <roconnor> sacarlson: I got your two coins with 2 confirmations
638 2011-04-14 08:02:56 <roconnor> :(
639 2011-04-14 08:02:57 <[Noodles]> well, what sense does that make anyway?
640 2011-04-14 08:03:02 <roconnor> why I got no confirmations ;(
641 2011-04-14 08:03:10 <Keefe> i've sent between different addresses in the same wallet, but not same
642 2011-04-14 08:03:12 <sacarlson> roconnor: wow you got it much faster than I did
643 2011-04-14 08:03:19 <LobsterMan> Keefe try it lol
644 2011-04-14 08:03:20 <[Noodles]> if A holds 10 coins and i send 1 of those to A, it still holds 10 coins
645 2011-04-14 08:03:36 <LobsterMan> i wonder if it actually adds to the block chain or your client only locally is like "lol nothing happens...print it anyway"
646 2011-04-14 08:03:37 <[Noodles]> so, actually nothing is transfered
647 2011-04-14 08:03:53 <sacarlson> roconnor: I think yours got lost when it was sent to me
648 2011-04-14 08:04:11 <BlueMatt> well you can no longer use the previous txout to spend but have to spend with the new tx out
649 2011-04-14 08:04:19 <BlueMatt> but it has to be signed with the same key
650 2011-04-14 08:04:19 <roconnor> sacarlson: actually I can't confirm my send to you until my self-spends are confirmed
651 2011-04-14 08:04:36 <roconnor> since it is dependent on them
652 2011-04-14 08:05:05 <da2ce7> https://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=5818.0
653 2011-04-14 08:05:11 <da2ce7> what do you guy's think?
654 2011-04-14 08:05:11 <sacarlson> roconnor: self-spends?  ok
655 2011-04-14 08:05:30 <roconnor> I was playing around before and send all my money to myself
656 2011-04-14 08:05:33 <LobsterMan> it looks like it does add it to the chain
657 2011-04-14 08:05:40 <LobsterMan> im getting confirmations on it
658 2011-04-14 08:05:43 <roconnor> so I made a big 250 bitcoin coin
659 2011-04-14 08:05:52 <LobsterMan> this may be a way someone could spam? lol
660 2011-04-14 08:05:55 <roconnor> and then broke 1 bit coint off for you
661 2011-04-14 08:05:59 <roconnor> *bitcoin
662 2011-04-14 08:06:10 <roconnor> but I have no confirmations on any of my transactions
663 2011-04-14 08:08:23 <sacarlson> roconnor: well now with my 2 coins you will again have at least some coin available to send
664 2011-04-14 08:08:33 <roconnor> :D
665 2011-04-14 08:09:07 <roconnor> I'm hoping I can confirm my own transactions in about 10 hours
666 2011-04-14 08:09:49 <sacarlson> roconnor: can't you also get more from faucet if needed?
667 2011-04-14 08:10:38 <roconnor> give away my email address to spamers ?! *l*
668 2011-04-14 08:11:12 <sacarlson> roconnor: no in testnet it didn't ask for anything but you bitcoin address
669 2011-04-14 08:11:26 <roconnor> oh
670 2011-04-14 08:11:28 <roconnor> ok
671 2011-04-14 08:11:29 <roconnor> :)
672 2011-04-14 08:11:43 <BlueMatt> give em all back to faucet when you are done so others can test things
673 2011-04-14 08:16:21 <roconnor> The annoying thing about poisson distributions is that in 9 hours I will still be waiting 10 hours to confirm my own transactions.
674 2011-04-14 08:24:25 <roconnor> yay!
675 2011-04-14 08:24:35 <roconnor> someone confimed my transactions
676 2011-04-14 08:24:37 <roconnor> thank you
677 2011-04-14 08:24:56 <roconnor> sacarlson: I have now 1 confimation for my transaction to you
678 2011-04-14 08:25:01 <da2ce7> :)
679 2011-04-14 08:25:37 <roconnor> whoever help me was rewarded to a shiny 0.1 testnet bitcoin
680 2011-04-14 08:26:02 <sacarlson> roconnor: yes I also confirm = 1
681 2011-04-14 08:26:05 <da2ce7> lol :P that is so close to the value of 0
682 2011-04-14 08:26:13 <roconnor> ;)
683 2011-04-14 08:26:39 <[Noodles]> yay, i got some testnet-fees o/
684 2011-04-14 08:27:52 <gjs278> just wait, testnet will be the real bitcoin
685 2011-04-14 08:28:08 <da2ce7> :O
686 2011-04-14 08:28:11 <roconnor> yep
687 2011-04-14 08:28:16 <[Noodles]> testnet will be reset
688 2011-04-14 08:28:20 <[Noodles]> ^_^
689 2011-04-14 08:28:22 <roconnor> all the cool people are getting testnet bitcoins
690 2011-04-14 08:28:39 <jrabbit> do they mix?
691 2011-04-14 08:28:46 <Blitzboom> how do you reset testnet btw?
692 2011-04-14 08:28:46 <roconnor> [Noodles]: you can't reset it, it will live on without you :D
693 2011-04-14 08:29:19 <[Noodles]> well,  it has been reset before, or started new to be precise
694 2011-04-14 08:29:24 <roconnor> Blitzboom: hardcode a new genesis block in the clients
695 2011-04-14 08:29:31 <[Noodles]> it's called TESTnet for a reason
696 2011-04-14 08:29:36 <Blitzboom> needs to be enforced by >50%, right?
697 2011-04-14 08:29:39 <roconnor> and release new clients
698 2011-04-14 08:29:48 <Blitzboom> but i guess noone is mining on testnet
699 2011-04-14 08:29:55 <roconnor> Blitzboom: the new and old clients more or less won't talk to each other
700 2011-04-14 08:30:02 <[Noodles]> yeah, but theres just ~20nodes online anyway
701 2011-04-14 08:30:11 <[Noodles]> so not that hard to hit 50%
702 2011-04-14 08:30:15 <Blitzboom> 20% more than i expected
703 2011-04-14 08:30:20 <Blitzboom> 20?*
704 2011-04-14 08:30:38 <Blitzboom> i want to see an inflatacoin
705 2011-04-14 08:30:39 <[Noodles]> well, currently connected to 12, been at 15 before
706 2011-04-14 08:30:45 <[Noodles]> 20 was just a wild guess
707 2011-04-14 08:31:05 <[Noodles]> seems l??ike no miners except for me ^_^
708 2011-04-14 08:31:16 <[Noodles]> at least no *fast* ones
709 2011-04-14 08:31:17 <Blitzboom> itd be cool if bitcoin had a miner task force to eliminate all competitors by changing their rules
710 2011-04-14 08:32:22 <Blitzboom> i suspect that this would happen if they feel threatened
711 2011-04-14 08:33:49 <roconnor> how would the eliminate competitors? ...
712 2011-04-14 08:34:07 <roconnor> driving them out of business with low rates?
713 2011-04-14 08:34:23 <Blitzboom> run majority of hashrate with clients with mass inflation for example
714 2011-04-14 08:35:10 <roconnor> if you run a different protocol no one else on the network will accept your blocks.
715 2011-04-14 08:35:53 <Blitzboom> hmm, right, i havent thought that through
716 2011-04-14 08:36:02 <Blitzboom> ill refer to https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Weaknesses#Attacker_has_a_lot_of_computing_power
717 2011-04-14 08:36:27 <Blitzboom> so you could reverse your transactions and get stuff for free
718 2011-04-14 08:36:37 <Blitzboom> and prevent any confirmations
719 2011-04-14 08:36:50 <roconnor> yes they can do that
720 2011-04-14 08:37:03 <roconnor> I'm not sure they can get stuff for free though.
721 2011-04-14 08:37:21 <roconnor> I mean they can reverse your transactions can claim your block through their work
722 2011-04-14 08:37:22 <Blitzboom> why? i pay and then reverse the transaction after i get what i want
723 2011-04-14 08:37:29 <roconnor> oh
724 2011-04-14 08:37:32 <roconnor> ya like that I guess
725 2011-04-14 08:37:44 <Blitzboom> so the currency would be useless
726 2011-04-14 08:37:56 <roconnor> right, if the attacker has a lot of computing power
727 2011-04-14 08:38:11 <Blitzboom> "a lot" is relative
728 2011-04-14 08:38:18 <Blitzboom> im assuming a new bitcoin clone now
729 2011-04-14 08:39:30 <roconnor> what do you mean by a bitcoin clone? a new client?
730 2011-04-14 08:40:21 <[Noodles]> ah, that's what the competitor is, a fork?
731 2011-04-14 08:41:26 <Blitzboom> eg an inflationary bitcoin
732 2011-04-14 08:42:15 <[Noodles]> yeah, got that, i thought you meant a mining-competitor, not a currency-one
733 2011-04-14 08:42:58 <roconnor> Blitzboom: an inflationary bitcoin requires a protocol change.
734 2011-04-14 08:43:00 <[Noodles]> would be pretty easy for bitcoiners to overtake mining-power on upcoming networks (assuming the community nows about it and works together)
735 2011-04-14 08:43:06 <da2ce7> ;;bc,testnet
736 2011-04-14 08:43:06 <gribble> Error: "bc,testnet" is not a valid command.
737 2011-04-14 08:43:09 <da2ce7> ;;bc,help
738 2011-04-14 08:43:10 <gribble> Alias bc,bcm, Alias bc,blocks, Alias bc,btcex, Alias bc,calc, Alias bc,calcd, Alias bc,channels, Alias bc,diff, Alias bc,estimate, Alias bc,gen, Alias bc,gend, Alias bc,help, Alias bc,hextarget, Alias bc,labs, Alias bc,lbs, Alias bc,markets, Alias bc,mtgox, Alias bc,nexttarget, Alias bc,poolstats, Alias bc,prob, Alias bc,stats, Alias bc,timetonext, Alias bc,totalbc, and Alias bc,wiki
739 2011-04-14 08:43:16 <Blitzboom> roconnor: which is trivial to do
740 2011-04-14 08:43:36 <roconnor> Blitzboom: not really.  You have to get everyone to agree to use the new protocol
741 2011-04-14 08:43:39 <Blitzboom> if people really wanted it
742 2011-04-14 08:43:44 <roconnor> sure
743 2011-04-14 08:43:50 <Blitzboom> why? wouldnt it work like testnet?
744 2011-04-14 08:43:56 <roconnor> but a change in protocol is effectively a different currency
745 2011-04-14 08:43:59 <Blitzboom> yes
746 2011-04-14 08:44:06 <Blitzboom> thats what im talking about. a competing currency
747 2011-04-14 08:44:14 <da2ce7> ,,bc,blocks
748 2011-04-14 08:44:14 <gribble> 118325
749 2011-04-14 08:44:23 <da2ce7> !!bc,blocks
750 2011-04-14 08:44:23 <roconnor> Blitzboom: there are still many clients running the old testnet "currency"
751 2011-04-14 08:44:24 <xelister> Blaaarrrghghg
752 2011-04-14 08:44:44 <roconnor> possibly more than running the new currency :D
753 2011-04-14 08:45:23 <xelister> the drivers are so buggy its unbelivable :o  Each version of fgrlx, sdk, miner, all have bugs and all others.  All possible bug combinations - the sky is the limit.
754 2011-04-14 08:45:44 <da2ce7> yay, I have some testnet coins :)
755 2011-04-14 08:45:51 <da2ce7> who wants some?
756 2011-04-14 08:45:54 <xelister> da2ce7: want 400 ;) ?
757 2011-04-14 08:46:02 <da2ce7> um, um 5min
758 2011-04-14 08:46:23 <xelister> <nameless|> we reset yhe testnet again. Problem, testminers?  |:-}>
759 2011-04-14 08:47:00 <sipa> try testnet in a box
760 2011-04-14 08:47:02 <sipa> :)
761 2011-04-14 08:47:05 <roconnor> xelister: the testminers just keep using the old clients :D
762 2011-04-14 08:47:21 <xelister> =)
763 2011-04-14 08:48:29 <da2ce7> :O
764 2011-04-14 08:48:38 <da2ce7> going to send coins to myself throogh transactions!
765 2011-04-14 09:04:08 <xelister> ;; bc,diff
766 2011-04-14 09:04:12 <gribble> 82347.22294654
767 2011-04-14 09:04:16 <xelister> ;; bc,stats
768 2011-04-14 09:04:17 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118327 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 616 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 15 hours, 46 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 92872.78105741
769 2011-04-14 09:04:29 <xelister> see? we're going for 100.000 as I said.
770 2011-04-14 09:08:27 <mtrlt> i see no end to difficulty increases :/
771 2011-04-14 09:08:45 <mtrlt> at 300k or something it's not profitable any more for me.
772 2011-04-14 09:08:45 <sipa> that's a good thing
773 2011-04-14 09:09:11 <mtrlt> yea, means more people are mining
774 2011-04-14 09:09:40 <mtrlt> or that the person trying to take over bitcoin is getting stronger and stronger :P
775 2011-04-14 09:09:46 <jrabbit> lol
776 2011-04-14 09:11:17 <xelister> ;; bc,gen 1000
777 2011-04-14 09:11:22 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1000 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 0.0122144784558 BTC per day and 0.000508936602327 BTC per hour.
778 2011-04-14 09:12:49 <xelister> ;; bc,gen 1000000
779 2011-04-14 09:12:50 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 12.2144784558 BTC per day and 0.508936602327 BTC per hour.
780 2011-04-14 09:18:36 <topi`_> the increase in difficulty also means that it is harder and harder to strongarm the network away by a rogue attacker
781 2011-04-14 09:19:18 <[Noodles]> seems like the testnet-faucet isnt working for me
782 2011-04-14 09:20:00 <[Noodles]> tells me "sent!", available faucet-balance goes down, but i dont get anything and the faucet-balance goes back up after a while
783 2011-04-14 09:20:41 <roconnor> [Noodles]: are you telling the faucet to send bitcoins to itself?
784 2011-04-14 09:20:59 <[Noodles]> hu?
785 2011-04-14 09:21:04 <[Noodles]> why should i do that?`
786 2011-04-14 09:21:11 <[Noodles]> of course not
787 2011-04-14 09:21:33 <[Noodles]> trying to send some coins to it now, see if that works
788 2011-04-14 09:22:42 <roconnor> [Noodles]: cut and paste error :)
789 2011-04-14 09:22:49 <[Noodles]> what error?
790 2011-04-14 09:22:55 <[Noodles]> there is none
791 2011-04-14 09:23:02 <roconnor> ah nevermind
792 2011-04-14 09:23:07 <roconnor> sorry
793 2011-04-14 09:24:05 <[Noodles]> sending coins seems to work
794 2011-04-14 09:24:11 <[Noodles]> but i dont get any
795 2011-04-14 09:39:24 <roconnor> In https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Protocol_specification it says: 4
796 2011-04-14 09:39:36 <roconnor> what does (Limited to 2106!) mean?
797 2011-04-14 09:40:13 <sipa> the year
798 2011-04-14 09:40:21 <roconnor> oh
799 2011-04-14 09:40:29 <roconnor> I thought it was a version number :D
800 2011-04-14 09:40:55 <sipa> i had to think for a while as well
801 2011-04-14 09:41:51 <roconnor> nice to see bitcoin comes with an expiration date :D
802 2011-04-14 09:42:37 <roconnor> it's like no one learned anything from Y2K
803 2011-04-14 09:43:11 <krytzz> well there isnt an infinite number datatype unfortunately :p
804 2011-04-14 09:43:28 <roconnor> there could be one
805 2011-04-14 09:43:35 <roconnor> though I'd be satified with a 64-bit value
806 2011-04-14 09:43:37 <sipa> it's the Y2KCVI!
807 2011-04-14 09:44:02 <sipa> hmm, maybe rather Y2kh6
808 2011-04-14 09:45:31 <xelister> krytzz: there is
809 2011-04-14 09:45:35 <xelister> krytzz: null-terminated integer =)
810 2011-04-14 09:45:42 <krytzz> doesnt matter anyway roconnor, in 100 years mankind is either dead or we have automated systems to take care of old sourcecode :p
811 2011-04-14 09:46:07 <krytzz> xelister: and where do you save the infinite length? on your infinite harddrive i guess
812 2011-04-14 09:46:14 <xelister> krytzz: it must be what people in X centur spoken... in 100 years mankind will be dead, or will fix machines to auotoupgrade and maintain themselves ;)
813 2011-04-14 09:46:46 <Blitzboom> in 10 years, bitcoin will either be dead or worth 100k USD
814 2011-04-14 09:46:50 <xelister> krytzz: well by year 2^100000000 bigger problem will be that the universe ends
815 2011-04-14 09:46:53 <Blitzboom> per BTC
816 2011-04-14 09:47:04 <roconnor> Blitzboom: it won't be worth anything if no more blocks can be timestamped :D
817 2011-04-14 09:47:33 <krytzz> xelister: hehe
818 2011-04-14 09:47:56 <[Noodles]> would be a nice problem to have anyway, cuz it means bitcoin survived 100years
819 2011-04-14 09:48:02 <Blitzboom> i thought the universe was expanding?
820 2011-04-14 09:48:19 <xelister> Blitzboom: then average temperature is 0.000000000000000000000000000000001 K, so everyone freezes
821 2011-04-14 09:48:35 <Blitzboom> but it will still exist
822 2011-04-14 09:48:42 <roconnor> Blitzboom: also your atoms rip apart with the accelerated expansion of the universe.
823 2011-04-14 09:48:56 <Blitzboom> uhuh
824 2011-04-14 09:49:07 <Blitzboom> i think the sun exploding will be earlier
825 2011-04-14 09:49:29 <roconnor> surely bitcoin can survive the sun exploding
826 2011-04-14 09:49:40 <roconnor> I want my store of value damn it
827 2011-04-14 09:49:42 <da2ce7> easy
828 2011-04-14 09:49:43 <Blitzboom> sure, the internet is immortal
829 2011-04-14 09:49:44 <roconnor> :D
830 2011-04-14 09:50:15 <da2ce7> bitcoin is secure untill we meet God... well then we don't really care about bitcoin anymore.
831 2011-04-14 09:50:31 <Blitzboom> i will NOT donate to god
832 2011-04-14 09:50:49 <[Noodles]> i guess in 100years i wont care about bitcoin anymore anyway
833 2011-04-14 09:51:12 <Blitzboom> [Noodles]: maybe youll still be around as a cyborg
834 2011-04-14 09:51:32 <xelister> =)
835 2011-04-14 09:51:38 <[Noodles]> nah, i can't afford that
836 2011-04-14 09:51:53 <Blitzboom> sure you can, i thought you have a ton of bitcoins
837 2011-04-14 09:51:55 <sirius-m> if a bitcoin's value was 10$, up to 72,000$ of resources would be used for mining every day
838 2011-04-14 09:51:55 <xelister> gay cyborgs will have iPhone 6831 integrate
839 2011-04-14 09:51:57 <xelister> -d
840 2011-04-14 09:52:07 <sirius-m> something to think about :F
841 2011-04-14 09:52:17 <Blitzboom> sirius-m: calculation based on?
842 2011-04-14 09:52:26 <xelister> 240 blocks per day
843 2011-04-14 09:52:48 <sirius-m> 7200 new coins / day
844 2011-04-14 09:53:11 <Blitzboom> i see
845 2011-04-14 09:53:23 <[Noodles]> how long til we hit 25coins/210kblocks?
846 2011-04-14 09:53:31 <gribble> 118335
847 2011-04-14 09:53:31 <sipa> ;;bc,blocks
848 2011-04-14 09:53:33 <Blitzboom> problem, greenpeace?
849 2011-04-14 09:54:05 <xelister> building another coalmine for my miner rig
850 2011-04-14 09:54:06 <sirius-m> maybe the miners would be used for house heating more
851 2011-04-14 09:54:12 <xelister> problem greenpeace?   :>>>>>>
852 2011-04-14 09:54:33 <xelister> we should buy some russian atomic subs and scrap ractors
853 2011-04-14 09:54:38 <sirius-m> some server rooms are already connected to central heating
854 2011-04-14 09:54:56 <Blitzboom> sirius-m: you should rather relate that figure to the amount of bitcoin users
855 2011-04-14 09:55:14 <Blitzboom> if bitcoin was 10$, im sure there would be more than 10x as much users as now
856 2011-04-14 09:55:14 <sipa> [Noodles]: december 2012
857 2011-04-14 09:55:39 <Blitzboom> so say 100k users
858 2011-04-14 09:55:54 <Blitzboom> thats 75 dollar cent
859 2011-04-14 09:55:58 <sirius-m> yeah, the cost might still be less than what it takes to move physical money around and run bank systems
860 2011-04-14 09:56:04 <Blitzboom> each, for an awesome payment system
861 2011-04-14 09:56:31 <[Noodles]> december? i get ~380days, assuiming a growing network (>6blocks/hour) it'll be less than a year
862 2011-04-14 09:56:37 <Blitzboom> =30$ a month
863 2011-04-14 09:56:55 <Blitzboom> i think thats pretty cheap
864 2011-04-14 09:57:30 <Blitzboom> wait, its 22.5$
865 2011-04-14 09:58:07 <Blitzboom> anyway, will be interesting to see what ecological implications bitcoin has
866 2011-04-14 09:58:56 <sipa> and $72000/day = 600000 kWh/day = 25000 kWh/h = 25MW = 2 eurostar trains
867 2011-04-14 10:00:01 <sipa> currently, the amount of economically viable "waste" of energy for bitcoin is like 1/6 of a eurostar train :)
868 2011-04-14 10:00:29 <xelister> whats eurostar train
869 2011-04-14 10:00:34 <Blitzboom> per day, right?
870 2011-04-14 10:00:48 <sipa> no, per unit of time
871 2011-04-14 10:01:34 <sipa> xelister: apparently a eurostar train consumes 12MW of electricity
872 2011-04-14 10:02:33 <sipa> while more than 2MW power consumption is not economically viable currently for bitcoin
873 2011-04-14 10:03:16 <krytzz> thats only a max for the train, when fully accelerating
874 2011-04-14 10:04:21 <sipa> you're right
875 2011-04-14 10:04:30 <sipa> it's up to 12MW
876 2011-04-14 10:21:46 <noagendamarket> mine bitcoin on a train ....
877 2011-04-14 10:21:53 <noagendamarket> ftw
878 2011-04-14 10:23:26 <[Noodles]> snakes on a plane, bitcoins on a train, what's next?
879 2011-04-14 10:31:56 <da2ce7> we need a movie
880 2011-04-14 10:32:12 <kiba> a Bitcoin movie!
881 2011-04-14 10:32:20 <xelister> with boobies
882 2011-04-14 10:32:25 <ersi> [Tycho]: It'd be nice to see how many shares on contributed in a specific solved block on the Statistics page of deepbit.net. Dunno how feaseble it is to implement (and keep running/displaying that data) though.
883 2011-04-14 10:32:27 <kiba> about a Japanese girl who invented bitcoin!
884 2011-04-14 10:32:35 <xelister> and tenticles
885 2011-04-14 10:32:39 <xelister> it fits
886 2011-04-14 10:32:45 <xelister> perfectly
887 2011-04-14 10:32:47 <ersi> Yes, I like where this is going!
888 2011-04-14 10:32:59 <ersi> I'll add a bounty of 50BTC :D
889 2011-04-14 10:33:01 <Blitzboom> golden tentacles
890 2011-04-14 10:33:35 <xelister> mining hot girls at bars
891 2011-04-14 10:33:52 <xelister> you can invest in ferrari 5970 to pickup more even high difficulty girls in same time
892 2011-04-14 10:34:18 <Blitzboom> haha what
893 2011-04-14 10:36:02 <xelister> >_>
894 2011-04-14 10:36:04 <sacarlson> what would happen if someone compiled another bitcoin version client with max of 2000 or 20,000 coins instead of 20,000,000 how would that effect stability?
895 2011-04-14 10:36:19 <kiba> nothing
896 2011-04-14 10:36:42 <kiba> it will be rejected as a sore loser
897 2011-04-14 10:37:23 <sacarlson> kiba so what would it's life look like if it wasn't a loser, or why would it become one?
898 2011-04-14 10:37:29 <fimpfimp> kiba: unless that client gained the majority of computing power, right?
899 2011-04-14 10:38:08 <kiba> yes, unless it gained the majority
900 2011-04-14 10:38:33 <sacarlson> kiba: why couldn't more than one bitcoin exist?
901 2011-04-14 10:38:50 <kiba> they can
902 2011-04-14 10:38:58 <kiba> but they will end up rejecting each other
903 2011-04-14 10:39:34 <sacarlson> kiba:  rejecting you must mean if they used the same irc?
904 2011-04-14 10:39:53 <kiba> ?
905 2011-04-14 10:39:55 <kiba> no
906 2011-04-14 10:40:02 <kiba> they just on the same network
907 2011-04-14 10:40:13 <kiba> but if they exists separately on a different network, that's differen
908 2011-04-14 10:40:14 <kiba> t
909 2011-04-14 10:40:58 <sacarlson> kiba: different network?  what verible controls what network they are on?
910 2011-04-14 10:42:02 <roconnor> sacarlson: if two diffent clients with about equal numbers of nodes on the network agree most of the time but eventually disagree about whether one block is acceptable or not, then all financial hell breaks lose :D
911 2011-04-14 10:42:16 <sacarlson> kiba: I thought like the irc channel was what controled the network like #bitcoinTEST and #bitcoin