1 2011-04-15 00:00:08 <tcatm> so I don't have to parse those >10k results at all
  2 2011-04-15 00:00:27 <gjs278> convert the unix timestamp to year-month-day, group the results back, parse in python?
  3 2011-04-15 00:03:49 <grbgout> gjs278: what's that about september 1752?
  4 2011-04-15 00:04:02 <gjs278> there are missing days
  5 2011-04-15 00:04:06 <gjs278> because of the calendar shift
  6 2011-04-15 00:04:19 <grbgout> What calendar shift?
  7 2011-04-15 00:04:21 <gjs278> http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/4342/screenshotcq.png
  8 2011-04-15 00:04:29 <gjs278> in 1752 they had to change calendars
  9 2011-04-15 00:04:46 <grbgout> From what to what, if you don't mind sparing me a google.
 10 2011-04-15 00:04:56 <gjs278> something to georgian I think
 11 2011-04-15 00:05:02 <gjs278> probably julian
 12 2011-04-15 00:05:08 <luke-jr> Gregorian*
 13 2011-04-15 00:05:20 <grbgout> tcatm: why are you fiddling with the time conversion (if it's you), and if it's for displaying on bitcoincharts, then why not do it on javascript at the client end?
 14 2011-04-15 00:05:22 <luke-jr> named after Pope Gregory, who created and promulgated it
 15 2011-04-15 00:05:37 <gjs278> well
 16 2011-04-15 00:05:38 <luke-jr> hence, protestants refused to accept it for a while
 17 2011-04-15 00:05:41 <gjs278> if he's using fusion charts
 18 2011-04-15 00:05:49 <gjs278> then you can't really do any js processing on the client end
 19 2011-04-15 00:05:57 <gjs278> besides, no point locking up the clients browser
 20 2011-04-15 00:06:07 <grbgout> not familiar with fusion charts, or any chart generation for web apps, actually.
 21 2011-04-15 00:06:08 <gjs278> when the server is capable of handling it
 22 2011-04-15 00:06:21 <gjs278> fusion I've only worked with it using xml as the input
 23 2011-04-15 00:06:29 <grbgout> gjs278: right, but if he's talking about slowdowns and the like due to date conversion --- offload onto the client!
 24 2011-04-15 00:06:30 <gjs278> not much room for js there
 25 2011-04-15 00:06:50 <gjs278> I personally don't think there will be much of a slowdown... and if there was, legacy results could be cached
 26 2011-04-15 00:07:12 <gjs278> but I'm not famiiar with the architecture 100%
 27 2011-04-15 00:07:27 <gjs278> so he does know if date conversions on 10k of his rows will slow it down to a crawl
 28 2011-04-15 00:09:57 <purplezky> tcatm: i tested my function and it works to round timestamps to mondays: my $monday = $aday - ($aday % (60*60*24*7)) - (60*60*24*2);
 29 2011-04-15 00:11:24 <gjs278> http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=710571
 30 2011-04-15 00:11:38 <gjs278> print DateTime->now->week_number,"\n";
 31 2011-04-15 00:11:46 <gjs278> replace now with the timestamp
 32 2011-04-15 00:13:38 <purplezky> a mathematical formula can be aplied in any language, whether it be c, perl, php, sql
 33 2011-04-15 00:13:52 <gjs278> all of those languages have date functions that will give you the week
 34 2011-04-15 00:13:58 <gjs278> well ok
 35 2011-04-15 00:14:00 <gjs278> maybe not sql
 36 2011-04-15 00:14:03 <gjs278> havent checked yet
 37 2011-04-15 00:14:11 <purplezky> he doesn't need the week
 38 2011-04-15 00:14:22 <purplezky> he needs a timestamp
 39 2011-04-15 00:14:32 <alias420> timestamp is impossible to get
 40 2011-04-15 00:14:48 <gjs278> I don't think he needs a timestamp as a return
 41 2011-04-15 00:14:58 <gjs278> I think he's inputting timestamps and wants the week out of that
 42 2011-04-15 00:14:58 <tcatm> success! :)
 43 2011-04-15 00:15:10 <gjs278> and then converting that week back to timestamp
 44 2011-04-15 00:15:18 <gjs278> like midnight monday or whatever
 45 2011-04-15 00:15:26 <gjs278> tcatm how fast is it
 46 2011-04-15 00:15:39 <alias420> you can't convert a timestamp
 47 2011-04-15 00:15:51 <gjs278> also
 48 2011-04-15 00:15:53 <alias420> it's unpossible
 49 2011-04-15 00:15:54 <gjs278> WEEK()
 50 2011-04-15 00:16:01 <tcatm> gjs278: very fast
 51 2011-04-15 00:16:11 <gjs278> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.5/en/date-and-time-functions.html#function_week
 52 2011-04-15 00:16:54 <tcatm> 49ms to parse > 20k rows and render chart
 53 2011-04-15 00:17:05 <gjs278> they'd all be that fast but thats cool
 54 2011-04-15 00:17:12 <gjs278> congrats
 55 2011-04-15 00:17:16 <purplezky> nice
 56 2011-04-15 00:17:48 <tcatm> http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD#igWeeklyzvztgSzm1g10zm2g25
 57 2011-04-15 00:19:56 <purplezky> huge candles
 58 2011-04-15 00:20:30 <purplezky> but it's indeed blazing fast
 59 2011-04-15 00:22:32 <gjs278> we're in that channel of people running graphics cards doing 350,000khash a second
 60 2011-04-15 00:22:49 <purplezky> hehe
 61 2011-04-15 00:23:36 <purplezky> do you have your gpu's running on your webserver ?
 62 2011-04-15 00:24:23 <gjs278> my web server doens't have such advanced technologies such as an open pci express slot
 63 2011-04-15 00:24:27 <gjs278> it's also rackmount
 64 2011-04-15 00:24:29 <gjs278> sooo
 65 2011-04-15 00:25:08 <gjs278> and it's freebsd installation... all of that precious opencl going to waste
 66 2011-04-15 00:33:39 <gasteve> why was the UPNP feature implemented as a bunch of #ifdefs ?
 67 2011-04-15 00:35:50 <luke-jr> gasteve: so you can compile without it ofc
 68 2011-04-15 00:36:25 <gasteve> so, you have one executable that has UPNP support and one that doesn't?
 69 2011-04-15 00:36:39 <gjs278> I think it's so you can turn it off
 70 2011-04-15 00:36:43 <gjs278> if you don't want it
 71 2011-04-15 00:36:48 <gjs278> not for multiple
 72 2011-04-15 00:36:51 <gasteve> seems like it would be simpler to have a single executable that has support for UPNP
 73 2011-04-15 00:37:16 <gasteve> (and enable or disable via a switch or config setting)
 74 2011-04-15 00:37:21 <purplezky> some people don't like UPNP because of the security implications of it opening ports
 75 2011-04-15 00:37:31 <gjs278> plus compile time options are cool
 76 2011-04-15 00:37:39 <underscor> ^
 77 2011-04-15 00:37:40 <gasteve> well, just have it turned off by default
 78 2011-04-15 00:37:48 <gjs278> I agree with that
 79 2011-04-15 00:37:50 <gjs278> it should be off
 80 2011-04-15 00:37:52 <gjs278> not on
 81 2011-04-15 00:38:06 <tcatm> luke-jr: what's your email?
 82 2011-04-15 00:38:11 <gjs278> also I'm pretty sure the library is still required by cc even when it's defined as "off"
 83 2011-04-15 00:38:16 <purplezky> normal users don't configure their firewall, that's why it should be on by default
 84 2011-04-15 00:38:35 <gjs278> no such thing as a normal bitcoin user
 85 2011-04-15 00:39:12 <tcatm> luke-jr: I got an email from someone who has a question about -watch and thinks I'm running it.
 86 2011-04-15 00:39:31 <gasteve> if all features were only available if you compile with a certain #define, it would be a mess...you'd have to have an executable for every single combination of features available for people to download
 87 2011-04-15 00:39:33 <luke-jr> tcatm: luke_bc_watch@dashjr.org
 88 2011-04-15 00:39:56 <luke-jr> gasteve: not everyone runs Windows.
 89 2011-04-15 00:40:11 <gasteve> what does that have to do with it?
 90 2011-04-15 00:40:28 <luke-jr> gasteve: if you compile a binary with UPnP support, you need libminiupnp installed
 91 2011-04-15 00:40:34 <luke-jr> even if you don't enable it
 92 2011-04-15 00:40:51 <gasteve> just dynamically load it then
 93 2011-04-15 00:40:55 <grbgout> wow, 5970s are expensive.
 94 2011-04-15 00:40:59 <gasteve> then you don't need it installed
 95 2011-04-15 00:40:59 <luke-jr> and yes, you should have an executable for every single combination of features.
 96 2011-04-15 00:41:06 <luke-jr> that's how EVERYTHING works
 97 2011-04-15 00:41:19 <gasteve> that's absurd
 98 2011-04-15 00:41:22 <luke-jr> no.
 99 2011-04-15 00:41:25 <luke-jr> it's sanity.
100 2011-04-15 00:41:34 <luke-jr> why should I install <dependency> if I don't want it?
101 2011-04-15 00:41:59 <purplezky> stripping unnecessary dependencies makes things small and fast
102 2011-04-15 00:42:14 <gasteve> you don't have to have a dependency on the lib to have support for it in the executable
103 2011-04-15 00:42:19 <luke-jr> yes you do
104 2011-04-15 00:42:33 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, usually things like that are provided as extensions
105 2011-04-15 00:42:39 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, which is why i <3 gentoo
106 2011-04-15 00:42:41 <luke-jr> short of writing even slower code that uses C's awful dynamic loading hacks
107 2011-04-15 00:42:45 <gasteve> so, explain to my why dynamic loading of the lib wouldn't solve it?
108 2011-04-15 00:42:52 <gasteve> *me
109 2011-04-15 00:42:58 <luke-jr> gasteve: because it would be slower and a ugly code
110 2011-04-15 00:43:03 <purplezky> gentoo foreva :D
111 2011-04-15 00:43:10 <phantomcircuit> gasteve, because you have to do all kinds of crazy shit for dynamic libs to be useful
112 2011-04-15 00:43:37 <phantomcircuit> like setup callback frameworks and other nastyness
113 2011-04-15 00:44:08 <jb55> Hey guys, I'm putting together a bitcoin presentation for my computer security class tomorrow. Are there any resources out there with clear explanations of bitcoin internals and implementation?
114 2011-04-15 00:44:24 <phantomcircuit> is it just me or is $0.43/day for a site with 42k hits/day seem low for adsense
115 2011-04-15 00:44:24 <tcatm> bitcoin.pdf
116 2011-04-15 00:44:33 <luke-jr> [ebuild   R    ] kde-base/kopete-4.4.5-r2  USE="addbookmarks autoreplace contactnotes gadu groupwise handbook highlight history jabber jingle meanwhile msn nowlistening oscar otr pipes privacy qq sms ssl statistics texteffect translator urlpicpreview v4l2 webpresence winpopup yahoo zeroconf (-aqua) -debug (-kdeenablefinal) (-kdeprefix) -latex -skype -testbed" 0 kB
117 2011-04-15 00:44:49 <jb55> key things I should cover? :)
118 2011-04-15 00:44:54 <luke-jr> yay for compile-time options
119 2011-04-15 00:44:54 <purplezky> phantomcircuit, maybe your content is more appealing than your ads :)
120 2011-04-15 00:45:03 <grbgout> jb55: maybe the white paper?
121 2011-04-15 00:45:04 <phantomcircuit> purplezky, almost certainly so
122 2011-04-15 00:45:06 <luke-jr> (usually I have much less enabled)
123 2011-04-15 00:45:15 <phantomcircuit> purplezky, but id expect more just from fumble fingers
124 2011-04-15 00:45:26 <gasteve> well, I'll admit that you have to deal with the versioning problem with runtime linking...however, aside from that, I've never found it to be difficult, or a hassle, or ugle
125 2011-04-15 00:45:30 <gasteve> (ugly)
126 2011-04-15 00:45:54 <luke-jr> gasteve: you have to manually dlopen, dlsym every function, define prototypes for every function, variables for every function, etc
127 2011-04-15 00:46:00 <phantomcircuit> purplezky, im gonna change the colors so the ads blend in
128 2011-04-15 00:46:14 <purplezky> phantomcircuit, i found that miva pays higher fees than adsense
129 2011-04-15 00:46:26 <luke-jr> or implement a whole plugin framework that only works with pre-conceived plugin concepts
130 2011-04-15 00:46:28 <tcatm> jb55: don't talk about mining
131 2011-04-15 00:46:31 <gasteve> luke-jr: yes...it's more work, no doubt
132 2011-04-15 00:47:10 <gjs278> I was pretty annoyed at having to install miniupnpc or whatever it is just to compile
133 2011-04-15 00:47:13 <gjs278> I hate makefile hacking
134 2011-04-15 00:47:19 <grbgout> jb55: yeah, don't talk about mining --- the difficulty is high enough already without your computer security class taking an interest.
135 2011-04-15 00:47:33 <gjs278> then I read the USE_UPNP
136 2011-04-15 00:47:35 <gjs278> and realized my mistake
137 2011-04-15 00:47:35 <jb55> alright
138 2011-04-15 00:47:47 <gasteve> having #ifdefs everywhere and the makefile crap is pretty ugly to me though...but, probably the lesser of the two evils in this case I guess
139 2011-04-15 00:48:04 <luke-jr> [ebuild   R    ] www-client/firefox-3.6.16  USE="alsa dbus ipc libnotify startup-notification -bindist -custom-optimization -debug -gnome -java -system-sqlite -wifi" LINGUAS="en en_GB ja -af -ar -as -be -bg -bn -bn_BD -bn_IN -ca -cs -cy -da -de -el -en_US -eo -es -es_AR -es_CL -es_ES -es_MX -et -eu -fa -fi -fr -fy -fy_NL -ga -ga_IE -gl -gu -gu_IN -he -hi -hi_IN -hr -hu -id -is -it -ka -kk -kn -ko -ku -lt -lv -mk -ml -mr -nb -
140 2011-04-15 00:48:06 <luke-jr> nb_NO -nl -nn -nn_NO -oc -or -pa -pa_IN -pl -pt -pt_BR -pt_PT -rm -ro -ru -si -sk -sl -sq -sr -sv -sv_SE -ta -ta_LK -te -th -tr -uk -vi -zh_CN -zh_TW" 0 kB
141 2011-04-15 00:48:09 <luke-jr> hmm, that was long
142 2011-04-15 00:48:29 <grbgout> You speak/read Japanese, luke-jr?
143 2011-04-15 00:48:35 <purplezky> hmm why are you pasting firefox use flags ?
144 2011-04-15 00:48:37 <luke-jr> grbgout: only very little
145 2011-04-15 00:48:46 <gjs278> lol
146 2011-04-15 00:48:46 <luke-jr> purplezky: to show gasteve he's a n00b
147 2011-04-15 00:48:50 <gjs278> dude
148 2011-04-15 00:48:54 <gjs278> I turn on all of my languages
149 2011-04-15 00:49:07 <gjs278> firefox-af-ar is my favorite
150 2011-04-15 00:49:10 <jgarzik> jb55: satoshi's key invention was a distributed, decentralized digital notary service
151 2011-04-15 00:49:13 <luke-jr> gjs278: me too. plus the few I only know a little of.
152 2011-04-15 00:49:16 <grbgout> Yeah, real men run as root in a language they don't understand!
153 2011-04-15 00:49:21 <gjs278> I run as root
154 2011-04-15 00:49:24 <jgarzik> jb55: bitcoin-the-currency is simply the first application of that invention
155 2011-04-15 00:49:25 <luke-jr> &
156 2011-04-15 00:49:37 <gjs278> step back guys, I got this *uid0*
157 2011-04-15 00:50:16 <purplezky> real men dream in ring 0 :)
158 2011-04-15 00:50:25 <gjs278> my username is toor, I use the fake one
159 2011-04-15 00:51:05 <gjs278> I will hold onto firefox 3.6 for life
160 2011-04-15 00:51:09 <gjs278> I'll never upgrade to 4
161 2011-04-15 00:51:14 <gjs278> none of you can make me
162 2011-04-15 00:51:39 <purplezky> gjs278, so you got vmware running and can't upgrade either ?
163 2011-04-15 00:51:49 <gjs278> I don't use vmware
164 2011-04-15 00:51:53 <gasteve> luke-jr: what is that FF example supposed to illustrate?
165 2011-04-15 00:52:06 <gjs278> that it would be ridiculous to create several different firefoxes based on the features
166 2011-04-15 00:52:15 <gjs278> but it is good to have one executable that has the features he wants
167 2011-04-15 00:52:22 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, i fucking love /etc/locale.gen
168 2011-04-15 00:52:49 <gjs278> so bitcoin-upnp might be cool for the windows, but the line would pretty much have to be drawn there or else it would just get confusing
169 2011-04-15 00:52:52 <purplezky> i hate it when i rsync i need to rebuild locales
170 2011-04-15 00:53:29 <purplezky> those locales seem to take forever
171 2011-04-15 00:53:31 <jb55> jgarzik: ah nice, I'll try to make that distinction. What other uses are envisioned?
172 2011-04-15 00:53:55 <grbgout> jb55: I think a method for voting was mentioned.
173 2011-04-15 00:53:57 <jgarzik> jb55: decentralized DNS registry
174 2011-04-15 00:54:01 <luke-jr> gjs278: Firefox sucks
175 2011-04-15 00:54:11 <gjs278> tae that back
176 2011-04-15 00:54:15 <purplezky> has there been some work done on the decentralized DNS registry ?
177 2011-04-15 00:54:19 <gjs278> live http headers owns
178 2011-04-15 00:54:26 <jgarzik> purplezky: yes
179 2011-04-15 00:54:35 <grbgout> jb55: turning on logging would be much simpler ;)
180 2011-04-15 00:54:46 <jgarzik> jb55: you understand how the block chain works?  what a block chain reorg is?
181 2011-04-15 00:54:52 <grbgout> jb55: have you watched the 15 second video that used to be on bitcoin.org?
182 2011-04-15 00:54:56 <gasteve> I guess the ideal would be a plugin framework that would let you build with either static or dynamic linking...you could either use the generic executable that dynamically links what you want to use...or you can compile something custom on your own
183 2011-04-15 00:55:02 <jb55> I'm going to play the weusecoins video at the start
184 2011-04-15 00:55:03 <jb55> probably
185 2011-04-15 00:55:13 <purplezky> jgarzik: what's the project called ?
186 2011-04-15 00:55:14 <jb55> and I have a rough idea how the chains work
187 2011-04-15 00:55:16 <luke-jr> gasteve: &sigh
188 2011-04-15 00:55:28 <gasteve> (I'm not going to it though!  life is too short)
189 2011-04-15 00:55:35 <jb55> what is reorg?
190 2011-04-15 00:55:43 <jb55> I'm guessing it's in the paper?
191 2011-04-15 00:55:45 <necrodearia> If anyone is interested in discussing and participating with establishing idea for a kind of open source bitcoin merchandising operation/business/project, come to #bitcoin-merch and I will begin discussing it soon.
192 2011-04-15 00:55:46 <grbgout> It's the one with gavenanderson talking for a short period in front of a group of people
193 2011-04-15 00:55:49 <jgarzik> jb55: when a new, stronger block chain overtakes a weaker block chain
194 2011-04-15 00:55:54 <jb55> oh yeah
195 2011-04-15 00:56:12 <luke-jr> [ebuild  N     ] net-p2p/bitcoin-9999  USE="nls sse2 ssl upnp -daemon -debug (-selinux) -wxwidgets" LINGUAS="-de -es -fr -it -nl" 0 kB [1]
196 2011-04-15 00:56:38 <jgarzik> jb55: pop quiz: what is bitcoin's chief security weakness?
197 2011-04-15 00:56:50 <jb55> uh
198 2011-04-15 00:57:05 <grbgout> can anyone answer?
199 2011-04-15 00:57:13 <jb55> supercomputers?
200 2011-04-15 00:57:13 <luke-jr> he asked jb55
201 2011-04-15 00:57:29 <grbgout> luke-jr: and I asked him.
202 2011-04-15 00:57:30 <jgarzik> jb55: 50% CPU power threshold
203 2011-04-15 00:57:31 <luke-jr> jgarzik: let me know if the floor opens :P
204 2011-04-15 00:57:54 <luke-jr> I was going to say: double spending, specifically quantum computers
205 2011-04-15 00:58:18 <jgarzik> double spending is the result, what happens when that weakness is exploited
206 2011-04-15 00:58:35 <noagendamarket> I would agree with the 50% threshold
207 2011-04-15 00:58:36 <gasteve> I would say the somewhat centralized nature of the client distribution
208 2011-04-15 00:58:54 <necrodearia> #bitcoin-merch
209 2011-04-15 00:59:16 <luke-jr> gasteve: that is changing rapidly
210 2011-04-15 00:59:19 <grbgout> gasteve: that's self correcting, though, as bitcoin gains widespread adoption.
211 2011-04-15 00:59:33 <jgarzik> gasteve: that is irrelevant already, and self-correcting as grbgout notes
212 2011-04-15 00:59:50 <purplezky> bitcoin's chief security weakness is that people don't backup their wallets
213 2011-04-15 00:59:58 <grbgout> purplezky: hah, good one.
214 2011-04-15 01:00:07 <grbgout> jgarzik: could you explain the 50% CPU power threshold thing, please?
215 2011-04-15 01:00:12 <grbgout> s/could/would/
216 2011-04-15 01:00:17 <jgarzik> grbgout: read the paper
217 2011-04-15 01:00:21 <grbgout> >_<
218 2011-04-15 01:00:26 <grbgout> caught.
219 2011-04-15 01:00:36 <gjs278> I'll tell you
220 2011-04-15 01:00:39 <gjs278> just to spite everyone
221 2011-04-15 01:00:41 <gjs278> in this channel
222 2011-04-15 01:00:42 <gjs278> who won't say
223 2011-04-15 01:00:54 <grbgout> gjs278: no, no. It's cool, I've been meaning to read the paper for about two weeks now.
224 2011-04-15 01:00:56 <gjs278> if you have 50% of the cpu power, you can verify bad transactions and blocks
225 2011-04-15 01:01:04 <gjs278> that normally would have been rejected
226 2011-04-15 01:01:05 <grbgout> oh.  I knew that :\n408046
227 2011-04-15 01:01:08 <gjs278> or invalids
228 2011-04-15 01:01:27 <grbgout> Never read it mentioned as "50 % CPU power threshold", though.
229 2011-04-15 01:01:32 <necrodearia> One more person needed in #bitcoin-merch and then I will explain the idea for new operation
230 2011-04-15 01:05:05 <luke-jr> necrodearia: fwiw, I won't be paying attention, just logging :P
231 2011-04-15 01:05:24 <necrodearia> One more person needed in #bitcoin-merch and then I will explain the idea for new operation
232 2011-04-15 01:05:25 <necrodearia> oops
233 2011-04-15 01:05:32 <necrodearia> Idea: I'd like to establish a collective bitcoin merchandising operation in which anyone anywhere can sell and distributing merchandise (kind of like a franchise) in which the bitcoin merchandise is managed/organized collectively and made available for sale throughout the world.  Particularly of interest is a way for artists/designers to also profit from their designs on merchandise.
234 2011-04-15 01:08:33 <gasteve> regarding that exploit...to put it another way, if you control >50% of the CPU power on the network, you can make your own rules for transaction/block verification/acceptance
235 2011-04-15 01:09:40 <slush> ;;bc,gen 1000
236 2011-04-15 01:10:06 <jgarzik> gasteve: yes, that's the better way to state it, IMO
237 2011-04-15 01:10:14 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1000 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 0.0122144784558 BTC per day and 0.000508936602327 BTC per hour.
238 2011-04-15 01:10:19 <jgarzik> gasteve: rules become fungible, after 50%
239 2011-04-15 01:10:40 <jb55> so once a superintelligent AI outpaces our best supercomputers it will destroy our economy before destroying us, got it.
240 2011-04-15 01:11:00 <alias420> the bitcoin army would never let that happen though
241 2011-04-15 01:11:10 <jb55> we must fight back this beast
242 2011-04-15 01:11:15 <jb55> with CPU!
243 2011-04-15 01:11:34 <alias420> cpu?
244 2011-04-15 01:11:44 <alias420> I thought maybe we would just have a powow
245 2011-04-15 01:11:50 <alias420> sing a few songs
246 2011-04-15 01:11:55 <alias420> smoke some weed
247 2011-04-15 01:17:32 <sacarlson> ok I found I could run bitcoind I compiled in ubuntu 10.04 is now running in 10.10 without adding any libs,  I just sent myself money in testnet,
248 2011-04-15 01:18:07 <sacarlson> the 10.10 is running in a virtualbox on the same system will that still work?
249 2011-04-15 01:18:50 <jgarzik> alias420: 4:20 isn't for another 5 hours
250 2011-04-15 01:19:06 <gjs278> just don't share the same wallet between running clients and do whatever you want
251 2011-04-15 01:19:27 <gjs278> and if you're on testnet, then go craazy
252 2011-04-15 01:19:41 <sacarlson> gjs278: ok I thought so thanks
253 2011-04-15 01:27:11 <sacarlson> I sent the testnet transaction at 03:09:27 GMT (about 7 mins ago) I get 0 confirmation is that normal?
254 2011-04-15 01:28:18 <gjs278> yes
255 2011-04-15 01:28:26 <gjs278> did you include a fee
256 2011-04-15 01:28:35 <gjs278> also it does take a bit
257 2011-04-15 01:28:35 <sacarlson> gjs278: no I didn't
258 2011-04-15 01:28:43 <gjs278> try a fee next time to see if it's any faster
259 2011-04-15 01:28:52 <gjs278> but it really does take a bit for transfers to go through even on the main client
260 2011-04-15 01:28:55 <sacarlson> gjs278: ok will do
261 2011-04-15 01:28:58 <gjs278> I don't know if testnet is any slower or faster
262 2011-04-15 01:30:54 <sacarlson> oh and I did one other thing I have the git compiled version running as the server but I ran an older version bitcoind to run it, I guess it makes no difference since it just does that part over json
263 2011-04-15 01:32:18 <sacarlson> but maybe I'll try another transaction with both running the new version to make sure I didn't mess up something
264 2011-04-15 01:39:50 <sacarlson> I can't seem to find the option in bitcoind to set that fee  what option or command is used to set that?
265 2011-04-15 01:43:56 <purplezky> volume is going through the roof and we're above parity :D
266 2011-04-15 01:45:40 <kiba> http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/201104/r751650_6238719.jpg
267 2011-04-15 01:45:43 <kiba> HOLY MACRONI!
268 2011-04-15 01:46:43 <jb55> I want to play with that
269 2011-04-15 01:46:48 <jb55> point it at people
270 2011-04-15 01:46:57 <EPiSKiNG> wtf is that?
271 2011-04-15 01:47:01 <jb55> looks like lasers
272 2011-04-15 01:47:10 <Diablo-D3> looks like an experimental multi-laser beam used for high voltage setups
273 2011-04-15 01:47:11 <EPiSKiNG> large hadron collider?
274 2011-04-15 01:49:20 <kiba> http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/04/15/3192505.htm
275 2011-04-15 01:49:47 <kiba> apperantly, it will help make the internet faster
276 2011-04-15 01:49:50 <MagicalTux> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=5855.0 <- if anyone wants to play with websockets, there's a new one there
277 2011-04-15 01:49:59 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.039,"low":0.91,"vol":48878,"buy":1.039,"sell":1.04,"last":1.039}}
278 2011-04-15 01:49:59 <x6763> in case you guys aren't aware of what's going on: ,,bc,mtgox
279 2011-04-15 01:50:09 <jrabbit> not new.
280 2011-04-15 01:50:24 <jrabbit> unless you're pointing out the volume.
281 2011-04-15 01:51:13 <x6763> many thousands of bitcoins have been traded in the last few minutes and the prices are going up quickly at the moement
282 2011-04-15 01:51:34 <kiba> they will probably experience a market correction soon...
283 2011-04-15 01:52:06 <x6763> kiba: i agree
284 2011-04-15 01:54:03 <EPiSKiNG> define market correction
285 2011-04-15 01:55:02 <tcatm> MagicalTux: I'm writing a parser :)
286 2011-04-15 01:56:05 <kiba> short term price decline
287 2011-04-15 01:56:14 <MagicalTux> tcatm, if you want to connect without a browser you can use websocket draft draft-hixie-thewebsocketprotocol-75, it's easier to implement
288 2011-04-15 01:59:22 <Clark> MagicalTux: I'm looking into it
289 2011-04-15 02:03:17 <kiba> hmm
290 2011-04-15 02:03:24 <kiba> tcatm's bitcoinchart is sure seeing crazy improvement
291 2011-04-15 02:03:27 <tcoppi> nice flash crash
292 2011-04-15 02:03:51 <kiba> flash crash and then...flash recovery!
293 2011-04-15 02:04:00 <tcoppi> hehe
294 2011-04-15 02:05:28 <kiba> hmm
295 2011-04-15 02:06:17 <kiba> bitcoin monitor showing crazy amount of trades within the last 30 minutes
296 2011-04-15 02:08:30 <jgarzik> MagicalTux: nice
297 2011-04-15 02:08:41 <jgarzik> MagicalTux: I'm much more interested in non-browser streaming usage
298 2011-04-15 02:08:51 <lfm> kiba thats happening 3:30 UTC every day now
299 2011-04-15 02:08:51 <MagicalTux> jgarzik, you can too
300 2011-04-15 02:08:55 <jgarzik> MagicalTux: that's why I always thought WebSockets was a questionable choice :)
301 2011-04-15 02:08:58 <jgarzik> of Jed's
302 2011-04-15 02:09:24 <MagicalTux> jgarzik, use websockets draft draft-hixie-thewebsocketprotocol-75, it's the easiest to implement client side
303 2011-04-15 02:09:47 <MagicalTux> just send a simple GET query with Origin and upgrade, and you'll get the stream
304 2011-04-15 02:10:54 <kiba> MagicalTux: how does it feel to be the owner of the largest bitcoin exchange on the planet?
305 2011-04-15 02:11:16 <lfm> big fish, small pool
306 2011-04-15 02:11:26 <jgarzik> indeed
307 2011-04-15 02:11:33 <Diablo-D3> er
308 2011-04-15 02:11:38 <Diablo-D3> since when did MagicalTux become the owner of that?
309 2011-04-15 02:11:50 <MagicalTux> Diablo-D3, it's on the forum
310 2011-04-15 02:11:54 <jgarzik> honestly, I _hope_ MtGox stays on top (or near the top), but I imagine that a few Real Players(tm) will get into bitcoin once it gets big enough
311 2011-04-15 02:11:57 <Diablo-D3> I dont read the forum
312 2011-04-15 02:11:59 <Diablo-D3> too much noise
313 2011-04-15 02:12:03 <jgarzik> and wipe all the small sites off the map, userbase-wise
314 2011-04-15 02:12:15 <MagicalTux> anyway going to lunch, back in ~1h
315 2011-04-15 02:13:17 <Blitzboom> heh & agree
316 2011-04-15 02:13:25 <alias420> aren't those guys insured?
317 2011-04-15 02:13:37 <x6763> yes, by your tax dollars
318 2011-04-15 02:13:43 <Blitzboom> :)
319 2011-04-15 02:13:44 <alias420> not mine
320 2011-04-15 02:13:49 <x6763> haha, ok
321 2011-04-15 02:14:00 <alias420> I take money out of the US
322 2011-04-15 02:14:10 <alias420> it's my personal atm
323 2011-04-15 02:14:28 <kiba> it all started....with a bunch of crypto-anarchist geeks
324 2011-04-15 02:14:45 <alias420> anyone need a mortgage?
325 2011-04-15 02:14:49 <alias420> no credit check
326 2011-04-15 02:14:53 <alias420> :)
327 2011-04-15 02:15:09 <jgarzik> I doubt MtGox is insured
328 2011-04-15 02:15:15 <alias420> no they aren't
329 2011-04-15 02:15:18 <alias420> wallstreet is
330 2011-04-15 02:15:24 <alias420> that's why you can trust them more :P
331 2011-04-15 02:15:25 <jgarzik> by my tax dollars :)
332 2011-04-15 02:15:31 <alias420> yup
333 2011-04-15 02:16:26 <alias420> is it normal that I can't withdraw my mtgox to libertyreserve right now?
334 2011-04-15 02:16:30 <alias420> they say try back tomorrow
335 2011-04-15 02:16:37 <alias420> is that a normal thing?
336 2011-04-15 02:16:46 <alias420> this is my first time selling btc on mtgox
337 2011-04-15 02:16:51 <jgarzik> Magic 8ball says:  ask again in 1 hour
338 2011-04-15 02:17:17 <alias420> have others experienced this before?
339 2011-04-15 02:18:06 <luke-jr> alias420: I usually just sell MTGUSD on -otc
340 2011-04-15 02:18:08 <jgarzik> alias420: FYI, LR takes 1% to receive money, plus possibly more fees going LR->{PP,PGAU,elsewhere} so you might wanna total up fees.  Keefe on #bitcoin-otc might buy your MTG$ for around the same amount.
341 2011-04-15 02:18:21 <alias420> on otc?
342 2011-04-15 02:18:31 <kiba> I heard it's because nobody wants to use libertyreserve any more and liberty reserve withdrawl is more often than libertyreserve deposit
343 2011-04-15 02:18:32 <alias420> I understand the LR fees
344 2011-04-15 02:18:39 <alias420> but I just sold some btc on mtgox
345 2011-04-15 02:18:46 <alias420> so I now have USD in my mtgox
346 2011-04-15 02:18:54 <alias420> I want to withdraw that to my liberty reserve
347 2011-04-15 02:19:02 <alias420> but it says it can't do that right now
348 2011-04-15 02:19:11 <alias420> I'm wondering if anyone has seen this before?
349 2011-04-15 02:19:11 <luke-jr> alias420: you can sell MTGUSD for PPUSD on -otc
350 2011-04-15 02:19:13 <jgarzik> alias420: mtgox main reserve is outside LR, from what I can tell.  So LR means delay, while money is transferred in/out internally.
351 2011-04-15 02:19:18 <alias420> where is otc?
352 2011-04-15 02:19:25 <luke-jr> #bitcoin-otc
353 2011-04-15 02:19:26 <jgarzik> alias420: #bitcoin-otc IRC channel
354 2011-04-15 02:19:27 <alias420> #bitcoin-otc?
355 2011-04-15 02:19:30 <alias420> ahh
356 2011-04-15 02:19:40 <alias420> PPUSD = Paypal?
357 2011-04-15 02:19:44 <luke-jr> might need to build a trust reputation first tho
358 2011-04-15 02:19:45 <Diablo-D3> hrm
359 2011-04-15 02:19:45 <jgarzik> alias420: yes
360 2011-04-15 02:19:46 <luke-jr> yes
361 2011-04-15 02:19:48 <alias420> fuck paypal
362 2011-04-15 02:19:51 <Diablo-D3> I wonder if I should finish my pool software
363 2011-04-15 02:19:51 <Keefe> alias420: if MtGox is having problems sending to LR, i can do that trade for you. i have some LR$
364 2011-04-15 02:19:51 <luke-jr> lol
365 2011-04-15 02:19:52 <jgarzik> alias420: paypal supports more than one currency
366 2011-04-15 02:19:56 <Diablo-D3> it doesnt seem like many people are interested in it
367 2011-04-15 02:19:59 <alias420> they can suck my fucking salty balls
368 2011-04-15 02:20:03 <alias420> bad history with them
369 2011-04-15 02:20:07 <alias420> I was part of the people they fucked
370 2011-04-15 02:20:13 <alias420> and class action sued them
371 2011-04-15 02:20:21 <alias420> they held 10k of mine for about a year and half
372 2011-04-15 02:20:27 <luke-jr> alias420: could see if someone on tradebitcoin.com is willing to do it
373 2011-04-15 02:20:31 <alias420> killed the cashflow of my small internet biz at the time
374 2011-04-15 02:20:39 <alias420> lol I already sold em
375 2011-04-15 02:20:45 <alias420> I have USD in my mtgox
376 2011-04-15 02:20:50 <alias420> I'm not looking for another route
377 2011-04-15 02:20:52 <luke-jr> sell MTGUSD I mean
378 2011-04-15 02:20:57 <Keefe> i can trade you LRUSD for MTGUSD
379 2011-04-15 02:21:02 <alias420> I'm wondering if others have done this and seen this before
380 2011-04-15 02:21:06 <alias420> the answer I guess is no
381 2011-04-15 02:21:14 <alias420> lol I'm not looking for all the other ways to do it
382 2011-04-15 02:21:34 <alias420> that cost just as much and won't get me a nice visa card linked to USD
383 2011-04-15 02:21:47 <Keefe> ok, so what is your end goal?
384 2011-04-15 02:21:59 <alias420> mtgox to liberty
385 2011-04-15 02:22:05 <alias420> which is normally available right?
386 2011-04-15 02:22:10 <alias420> it's not working right now
387 2011-04-15 02:22:20 <alias420> I'm just wondering if this is a normal thing
388 2011-04-15 02:22:38 <alias420> lol not a question about methods just a question about this moment in time the system being down
389 2011-04-15 02:22:41 <Diablo-D3> so Im thinking
390 2011-04-15 02:22:42 <Diablo-D3> guys
391 2011-04-15 02:22:43 <Diablo-D3> how about
392 2011-04-15 02:22:44 <lfm> alias420: I have seen other people report that problem here
393 2011-04-15 02:22:46 <alias420> and if this is normal?
394 2011-04-15 02:22:48 <Diablo-D3> a 1% bonus for the top ten miners
395 2011-04-15 02:23:13 <alias420> lfm: but it usually gets resolved
396 2011-04-15 02:23:16 <alias420> ?
397 2011-04-15 02:23:26 <lfm> alias420: ya seems so
398 2011-04-15 02:23:34 <gjs278> why would anyone want money in liberty reserve
399 2011-04-15 02:23:36 <alias420> its my first time using mtgox so I'm curious if others had simlar experience but it worked out
400 2011-04-15 02:23:53 <Keefe> mtgox to liberty reserve for 1% fee (plus the 1% LR takes) is exactly what i'm offering you
401 2011-04-15 02:23:54 <alias420> how else do you get your money out of mtgox?
402 2011-04-15 02:24:03 <alias420> I dont want euros
403 2011-04-15 02:24:06 <gjs278> you trade it with someone
404 2011-04-15 02:24:18 <alias420> I'll take it in liberty and use a visa debit card to access it
405 2011-04-15 02:24:26 <alias420> I want to shop for shit online with the funds anyways
406 2011-04-15 02:24:29 <gjs278> oh ok
407 2011-04-15 02:24:30 <Keefe> normally, there's no problem withdrawing to LR from MtGox. i'm guessing there's just some temp problem
408 2011-04-15 02:24:36 <alias420> trade it with someone?
409 2011-04-15 02:24:39 <alias420> lol I want money
410 2011-04-15 02:24:44 <alias420> I dont want to trade mtgox
411 2011-04-15 02:24:46 <gjs278> sell someone the mtgox money
412 2011-04-15 02:24:51 <gjs278> for real money
413 2011-04-15 02:24:53 <alias420> mtgox is useless to me without liberty reserve
414 2011-04-15 02:24:56 <gjs278> but it's going to be paypal
415 2011-04-15 02:24:58 <alias420> real money?
416 2011-04-15 02:24:58 <gjs278> and you hate paypal
417 2011-04-15 02:25:05 <alias420> fuck paypal
418 2011-04-15 02:25:08 <alias420> they have fees
419 2011-04-15 02:25:21 <alias420> they steal your moeny
420 2011-04-15 02:25:37 <gjs278> try paying for a slurpy with mtgox money
421 2011-04-15 02:25:40 <alias420> paypal blows
422 2011-04-15 02:25:42 <gjs278> I have never paid a paypal fee
423 2011-04-15 02:25:43 <gjs278> ever
424 2011-04-15 02:25:49 <alias420> they have fees so how does that avoid the huge 1%?
425 2011-04-15 02:25:53 <gjs278> the fees come from cards
426 2011-04-15 02:25:55 <gjs278> and doing international transfers
427 2011-04-15 02:25:58 <alias420> either way you are paying fees to get it into your bankaccount
428 2011-04-15 02:26:00 <gjs278> no
429 2011-04-15 02:26:02 <jgarzik> alias420: nope
430 2011-04-15 02:26:12 <gjs278> the only fee to withdraw paypal money is $1.50 if you want them to send you a cheque of the money
431 2011-04-15 02:26:15 <gjs278> direct deposit is nothing
432 2011-04-15 02:26:16 <alias420> I would rather not use paypal a company that has illegally held my funds in the past along with many others
433 2011-04-15 02:26:20 <gjs278> yeah
434 2011-04-15 02:26:32 <gjs278> just have to wait for liberty reserve then
435 2011-04-15 02:26:46 <alias420> $1.50
436 2011-04-15 02:26:49 <alias420> oh suddenly there is a fee
437 2011-04-15 02:26:50 <gjs278> it's not like there are any other reliable ways of transferring the money
438 2011-04-15 02:26:52 <gjs278> dude
439 2011-04-15 02:26:55 <gjs278> are you retarded
440 2011-04-15 02:26:58 <alias420> oh and that they may just hold your money for a few years
441 2011-04-15 02:27:00 <gjs278> why would you get a cheque from paypal
442 2011-04-15 02:27:02 <alias420> dude paypal has fucked me
443 2011-04-15 02:27:02 <gjs278> instead of a direct deposit
444 2011-04-15 02:27:07 <alias420> lol deal with the fact that you can't answer my question
445 2011-04-15 02:27:09 <alias420> thank you
446 2011-04-15 02:27:21 <gjs278> fuck you
447 2011-04-15 02:27:22 <gjs278> we've told you what to do
448 2011-04-15 02:27:24 <gjs278> like 20 times
449 2011-04-15 02:27:25 <gjs278> just wait for lr
450 2011-04-15 02:27:27 <alias420> no need to go on about how you love to suck your own dick while paypalling yourself
451 2011-04-15 02:27:30 <gjs278> that's it
452 2011-04-15 02:27:31 <gjs278> kill yourself
453 2011-04-15 02:27:35 <alias420> lol no lfm helped me
454 2011-04-15 02:27:48 <alias420> you just kept spewing shit no one asked about
455 2011-04-15 02:27:51 <alias420> do you work for paypal?
456 2011-04-15 02:27:53 <gjs278> you did
457 2011-04-15 02:27:55 <alias420> you must own shares
458 2011-04-15 02:28:00 <alias420> fanboi
459 2011-04-15 02:28:03 <gjs278> if I owned shares
460 2011-04-15 02:28:08 <gjs278> do you think I would care about you transferring $20
461 2011-04-15 02:28:39 <gjs278> when there's no fee
462 2011-04-15 02:28:41 <gjs278> what would I make off of that
463 2011-04-15 02:28:43 <alias420> anyways you can go back to blowing yourself
464 2011-04-15 02:28:44 <noagendamarket> settle down people
465 2011-04-15 02:29:12 <noagendamarket> take it to bitcoin-discussion
466 2011-04-15 02:29:58 <gjs278> apparently your tab key isn't working
467 2011-04-15 02:30:11 <lfm> what we have here is a failure to communicate
468 2011-04-15 02:30:18 <alias420> tab works great
469 2011-04-15 02:30:27 <alias420> I just got my coffee
470 2011-04-15 02:31:30 <nanotube> alias420: besides all that... there are other ways to transfer cash. dwolla is a popular alternative. as is bank ach. in europe, SEPA transfers are good.
471 2011-04-15 02:32:00 <alias420> I didn't ask for any other ways
472 2011-04-15 02:32:00 <lfm> gjs278: was answering an implied question that wasnt intentionally implied
473 2011-04-15 02:32:06 <alias420> never once was that a question
474 2011-04-15 02:32:18 <alias420> I asked if anyone had a similar experience in the one way I described
475 2011-04-15 02:32:25 <alias420> lfm answered the question
476 2011-04-15 02:32:41 <gjs278> cool
477 2011-04-15 02:34:38 <lfm> trades seem to get hung up between mygox and lr every so often, not sure why, maybe for a variety of reasons
478 2011-04-15 02:34:38 <nanotube> alias420: i dunno what you asked, i was afk and just skipped over the whole trade-insult part. :)
479 2011-04-15 02:35:35 <alias420> gjs278 offered to sell his shares in paypal for btc
480 2011-04-15 02:35:48 <alias420> that was the other part you missed ;)
481 2011-04-15 02:36:27 <gjs278> I didn't want to pay the paypal fees though, they're too big
482 2011-04-15 02:36:52 <alias420> yeah that 100% fee is a real kicker
483 2011-04-15 02:37:09 <alias420> the one where they just decide to hold your money for a few years
484 2011-04-15 02:37:12 <gjs278> alias420 are you from nigeria
485 2011-04-15 02:37:18 <alias420> Canada
486 2011-04-15 02:37:20 <gjs278> ok
487 2011-04-15 02:37:25 <lfm> hey stop
488 2011-04-15 02:37:27 <alias420> paypal has a naughty history
489 2011-04-15 02:37:35 <alias420> many class action suits
490 2011-04-15 02:37:45 <alias420> your money is safer in nigeria than with paypal
491 2011-04-15 02:38:18 <gjs278> not really a 100% fee if they give it back
492 2011-04-15 02:38:33 <alias420> IF they give it back
493 2011-04-15 02:39:10 <alias420> and by give back you mean lawyers pry from from their talons
494 2011-04-15 02:39:47 <JFK911> ;;bc,mtgox
495 2011-04-15 02:39:49 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.05,"low":0.91,"vol":57437,"buy":1.0111,"sell":1.048,"last":1.038}}
496 2011-04-15 02:45:44 <LobsterMan> ;;bc,stats
497 2011-04-15 02:45:47 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118442 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 501 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 23 hours, 23 minutes, and 33 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 92624.42062584
498 2011-04-15 02:48:53 <LobsterMan> ;;bc,stats
499 2011-04-15 02:48:54 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118442 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 501 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 23 hours, 23 minutes, and 33 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 92624.42062584
500 2011-04-15 02:48:54 <sacarlson> ok now my transaction is over 1.5 hours ago and I still get zero confirmations on testnet transaction.  could my two systems behind a nat network cause such a problem?
501 2011-04-15 02:51:10 <lfm> sacarlson: how many connections do you have?
502 2011-04-15 02:51:24 <alias420> sacarlson: try sending to 1wMEi5PSJQUrLDdfw5Gw2CJsgXpACpeJM and paste results
503 2011-04-15 02:51:45 <jgarzik> well
504 2011-04-15 02:51:51 <jgarzik> testnet can be slow in minting blocks
505 2011-04-15 02:52:32 <sacarlson> lfm: I have 8 connections on one of them and 13 on the other
506 2011-04-15 02:52:51 <lfm> sacarlson: that should be fine then
507 2011-04-15 02:52:54 <gasteve> just merged the reorg'd sourced with the master branch: https://github.com/gasteve/bitcoin
508 2011-04-15 02:52:57 <sacarlson> alias420: ok will send you 2 bitcoin on testnet
509 2011-04-15 02:53:07 <jgarzik> what is the latest block# on testnet?
510 2011-04-15 02:53:11 <jgarzik> that is the only way to be sure.
511 2011-04-15 02:53:28 <jgarzik> blockexplorer.com/testnet looks out of date
512 2011-04-15 02:53:32 <tcatm> I have 13745 blocks
513 2011-04-15 02:54:14 <sacarlson> alias420: I sent you 2 coin with return of 5a18f41a68e620ec8e2289597e0bd1cbeb21d0d70e5afbe0309e93d518e21a24
514 2011-04-15 02:54:18 <jgarzik> then it's been many hours since latest testnet block
515 2011-04-15 02:54:28 <jgarzik> and sacarlson's behavior seems explainable
516 2011-04-15 02:54:32 <luke-jr> jgarzik: if you keep buying at this rate, you'll make a bubble :/
517 2011-04-15 02:54:50 <jgarzik> luke-jr: what are you talking about?
518 2011-04-15 02:55:04 <luke-jr> :P
519 2011-04-15 02:55:30 <luke-jr> jgarzik: MtGox is up over 1.06 in case you didn't notice
520 2011-04-15 02:56:10 <sacarlson> luke-jr tell me when it hits 1.23 that's where I have my sell set to
521 2011-04-15 02:56:22 <luke-jr> sacarlson: at this rate, it might be tonight
522 2011-04-15 02:56:26 <lfm> testnet     "blocks" : 13745,
523 2011-04-15 02:56:32 <alias420> sacarlson: you'll be waiting a long time for that call
524 2011-04-15 02:57:03 <alias420> I would wager a nice correction coming soon to below .80
525 2011-04-15 02:58:10 <sacarlson> alias420: I'm getting zero confirmations form you as well, did  you see my transaction?
526 2011-04-15 02:58:43 <lfm> TESTBlock #13745 2011-04-14 15:39:14 UTC was over an hour ago ya
527 2011-04-15 02:59:23 <sacarlson> jgarzik: so until coins are minted there will never be a confirmation?
528 2011-04-15 02:59:26 <lfm> like 12 hours ago?
529 2011-04-15 02:59:29 <alias420> nope
530 2011-04-15 02:59:33 <alias420> I dont see shit
531 2011-04-15 02:59:52 <jgarzik> sacarlson: correct.  that is the definition of a confirmation.
532 2011-04-15 03:00:32 <lfm> sacarlson: I have a gpu running on testnet now so there should be a block or two come up in the next few hours
533 2011-04-15 03:00:33 <sacarlson> jgarzik: ok and even before confirmation shouldn't alias420 see my transaction?
534 2011-04-15 03:01:09 <lfm> might not see any txn till at least one vlock goes thru
535 2011-04-15 03:01:13 <lfm> block
536 2011-04-15 03:01:29 <jgarzik> sacarlson: on the command line, you need to pass '0' for the minconf parameter.  Otherwise, 0-conf transactions do not appear.
537 2011-04-15 03:01:32 <sacarlson> jgarzik: and if that's the case how will confirmations be done after 20 mil coins are minted ?
538 2011-04-15 03:01:50 <jgarzik> sacarlson: transaction fees
539 2011-04-15 03:01:53 <lfm> his node might have the txn but wont show it till it is confirmed the first time
540 2011-04-15 03:01:59 <jgarzik> nod
541 2011-04-15 03:02:27 <lfm> I doubt fees make a difference on testnet
542 2011-04-15 03:02:55 <sacarlson> jgarzik: ok I'll check with my other system with minconf=0 to see if it saw anything
543 2011-04-15 03:03:04 <jgarzik> lfm: read the question sacarlson asked :)
544 2011-04-15 03:03:25 <lfm> oh ok
545 2011-04-15 03:03:39 <lfm> there is a new block on testnet now
546 2011-04-15 03:03:41 <sacarlson> lfm: I couldn't figure out how to add fee's in bitcoind
547 2011-04-15 03:04:07 <lfm> sacarlson: try bitcoind -?
548 2011-04-15 03:04:58 <sacarlson> lfm: that's all I have is bitcoind
549 2011-04-15 03:05:13 <lfm> sacarlson: try "bitcoind -?"
550 2011-04-15 03:05:23 <sacarlson> I'm on ubuntu and didn't want to bother with the libs I couldn't find
551 2011-04-15 03:05:27 <lfm> shows options
552 2011-04-15 03:05:37 <sacarlson> lfm oh ok
553 2011-04-15 03:05:48 <mrb_> sacarlson: are you selling only 1 BTC at 1.23?
554 2011-04-15 03:06:13 <sacarlson> lfm oh that looks the same as bitcoind help
555 2011-04-15 03:07:05 <sacarlson> lfm: oh IC it's what's you use to start the sever -paytxfee=<amt>
556 2011-04-15 03:07:45 <sacarlson> mrb_: yes
557 2011-04-15 03:07:46 <lfm> there ya go
558 2011-04-15 03:07:55 <LobsterMan> ;;bc,gen 110000
559 2011-04-15 03:07:57 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 110000 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 1.34359263014 BTC per day and 0.055983026256 BTC per hour.
560 2011-04-15 03:08:12 <sacarlson> mrb_: I only have 1 btc in txgox
561 2011-04-15 03:08:19 <mrb_> ok
562 2011-04-15 03:19:52 <sacarlson> lfm: ok I restarted my server with -paytxfee=0.1, still no luck on recieve sides  I tried  ./bitcoind listtransactions minconf=0 on my ubuntu 10.10 side and I get error type mismatch,  but that same command works on my 10.04 ubuntu
563 2011-04-15 03:20:32 <sacarlson> so I guess i have some problem with lib not matching something on 10.10
564 2011-04-15 03:20:44 <lfm> is it different versioons of bitcoin?
565 2011-04-15 03:21:07 <sacarlson> lfm no it's the same binary file I compiled on 10.04
566 2011-04-15 03:21:45 <lfm> thats odd
567 2011-04-15 03:22:04 <sacarlson> I was surprized it ran without needing to install any other libs or packages but maybe that's part of my problem
568 2011-04-15 03:23:44 <gjs278> I wouldn't think that would be a problem unless it refuses to start
569 2011-04-15 03:24:58 <gjs278> damn asus 5870 for 232
570 2011-04-15 03:25:14 <gjs278> nevermind, two mir
571 2011-04-15 03:25:25 <gjs278> but FREE SHOGUN2
572 2011-04-15 03:26:28 <lfm> netflicks should let you pay with btc
573 2011-04-15 03:26:56 <gjs278> I want newzbin to start taking bitcoins
574 2011-04-15 03:27:00 <gjs278> they'd be perfect for it
575 2011-04-15 03:28:42 <da2ce7> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=5818.0
576 2011-04-15 03:28:50 <da2ce7> :)
577 2011-04-15 03:29:06 <gjs278> lol
578 2011-04-15 03:29:08 <sacarlson> ok now I'm getting confirmations
579 2011-04-15 03:29:15 <gjs278> I read that hoping I was going to get 700 coins for making the site
580 2011-04-15 03:29:21 <gjs278> not donating 700 coins >.>
581 2011-04-15 03:32:54 <sacarlson> and I see my recieved transaction now on my ubuntu 10.10 side so I guess it's working,  not sure it due to my restarting both servers or not
582 2011-04-15 03:33:10 <gjs278> it just takes time
583 2011-04-15 03:33:43 <gjs278> I freaked out when my first transfer didn't seem to go anywhere the first 40 minutes either
584 2011-04-15 03:36:22 <grondilu> omg... parity again!?
585 2011-04-15 03:36:47 <lfm> is cuz I started mining testnet with my gpu and got 4 new blocks
586 2011-04-15 03:37:27 <gjs278> lfm is going to cash out big when testnet becomes the new blockchain
587 2011-04-15 03:37:28 <da2ce7> I have testnet coins if anyone want to play.
588 2011-04-15 03:37:49 <luke-jr> grondilu: you're late to the party
589 2011-04-15 03:37:51 <lfm> ya anyone wanna buy 50,000 btc(testnet)
590 2011-04-15 03:37:53 <sacarlson> gjs278: so how would it work then if you only had two systems in the network with a reset genisis block would it also be very slow?
591 2011-04-15 03:38:22 <gjs278> _/^@@@@@@/*_
592 2011-04-15 03:38:59 <lfm> sacarlson: so long as SOMEONE is mining it should be fine
593 2011-04-15 03:39:20 <lfm> it seems no one was mining the last few hours on testnet
594 2011-04-15 03:39:33 <gjs278> the "official" blockchain is the test chain
595 2011-04-15 03:39:43 <lfm> what?
596 2011-04-15 03:39:51 <grondilu> I wonder how long we'll stay above 1$ this time.
597 2011-04-15 03:40:05 <gjs278> testnet's is going to be the release version
598 2011-04-15 03:40:11 <sacarlson> lfm: ok that would explain it,  and since I have a slow computer even if I did mine myself it would be slow so if I created a reset on it might run fasterr
599 2011-04-15 03:40:25 <da2ce7> I don't think that it is going to brake $1 signifantly again.
600 2011-04-15 03:40:27 <lfm> gjs278: ya sure
601 2011-04-15 03:40:47 <lfm> gjs278: you should offer to buy my testcoins then
602 2011-04-15 03:40:51 <lfm> cheap!
603 2011-04-15 03:40:57 <gjs278> how much you want
604 2011-04-15 03:41:09 <grondilu> this reminds me of the time gold reached 1000$
605 2011-04-15 03:41:31 <grondilu> we were having same kinds of concerns
606 2011-04-15 03:41:31 <lfm> 1000 to 1?
607 2011-04-15 03:41:37 <sacarlson> lfm: well buying them in my case won't help since I need a minner to run in it to tranfer them
608 2011-04-15 03:41:59 <grondilu> (on gold forums I mean)
609 2011-04-15 03:42:06 <lfm> sacarlson: YOU dont need a miner, just someone needs to mine
610 2011-04-15 03:42:53 <sacarlson> lfm: so even if the minner doesn't mint any there will still be transactions?
611 2011-04-15 03:43:08 <sacarlson> or confermations I should say
612 2011-04-15 03:43:37 <lfm> sacarlson: if they are mining they will find blocks sooner or later
613 2011-04-15 03:44:13 <sacarlson> lfm: but if fast minners have already been running and then stoped and you bring up a very slow minner then the confirmations will take years
614 2011-04-15 03:44:26 <lfm> sacarlson: its the same calculations, just the difficulty for testnet is a lot smaller
615 2011-04-15 03:44:59 <lfm> testnet     "difficulty" : 17.09735567,
616 2011-04-15 03:45:26 <lfm> so ;;bc,calcd 2000 17.097
617 2011-04-15 03:45:33 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 2000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 17.097, is 10 hours, 11 minutes, and 55 seconds
618 2011-04-15 03:45:33 <lfm> ;;bc,calcd 2000 17.097
619 2011-04-15 03:45:45 <sacarlson> lfm: ok so for that my computer can do 900k I think how long is that?
620 2011-04-15 03:45:58 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 900 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 17.097, is 22 hours, 39 minutes, and 50 seconds
621 2011-04-15 03:45:58 <lfm> ;;bc,calcd 900 17.097
622 2011-04-15 03:46:09 <gribble> Error: "bc" is not a valid command.
623 2011-04-15 03:46:09 <sacarlson> ;;bc calc 900 17.087
624 2011-04-15 03:46:31 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 900 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 17.097, is 22 hours, 39 minutes, and 50 seconds
625 2011-04-15 03:46:31 <sacarlson> ;;bc,calcd 900 17.097
626 2011-04-15 03:47:31 <sacarlson> lfm: I was running in minning mode yestarday for most the day and collected nothing
627 2011-04-15 03:47:38 <lfm> actually I think that difficulty is double the real one so you could really do twice that
628 2011-04-15 03:48:05 <lfm> well its an average, try for a month
629 2011-04-15 03:48:44 <lfm> even just a week
630 2011-04-15 03:48:44 <sacarlson> lfm: well it really slows me down here so maybe I"ll bring up another computer to do it for me
631 2011-04-15 03:50:58 <sacarlson> lfm: so how does the calculation work if minners get smaller will it auto caculate so that the time to the next block will get easier?  and I don't understand what happens when you hit 20 million coins and no mining is left
632 2011-04-15 03:52:19 <lfm> dont worry about when the mining reward goes to zero, it wont happen for 140 years.
633 2011-04-15 03:52:38 <drazak> lfm: ish
634 2011-04-15 03:53:42 <sacarlson> lfm: ok that can posibly make sense then if it would take on the lines of that time frame
635 2011-04-15 03:56:27 <lfm> ya, if there was only you mining for a while(not sure how long it would take) eventually the difficulty would be adjusted so you could find a block every 10 minutes
636 2011-04-15 03:57:03 <gjs278> how do I cpu mine on testnet
637 2011-04-15 03:57:12 <gjs278> through jgarzik's
638 2011-04-15 03:57:19 <gjs278> I'll do it just to keep it moving along a bit
639 2011-04-15 03:57:51 <sacarlson> lfm: is that with a new reset genisis or just what it auto adjust for over time?
640 2011-04-15 03:58:13 <lfm> gjs278: run a bitcoin server (with generation off then point your cpuminer at it
641 2011-04-15 03:58:23 <gjs278> ok
642 2011-04-15 03:58:57 <gjs278> ./bitcoind -daemon -testnet right
643 2011-04-15 03:59:47 <lfm> ya, -daemon is redundant on bitcoind
644 2011-04-15 04:00:03 <gjs278> not anymore for me...
645 2011-04-15 04:00:09 <gjs278> it hangs when I don't -daemon it now
646 2011-04-15 04:00:31 <lfm> oh? thats odd, what version? from git?
647 2011-04-15 04:00:31 <sacarlson> I had planed to setup a version with genisis values in bitcoin.conf anyway so I guess I'm ready for my next step
648 2011-04-15 04:00:36 <gjs278> yeah the git
649 2011-04-15 04:01:12 <sacarlson> I'm running git version d12ea887bcf1eab4b029007c4bf5821992c0c6b1
650 2011-04-15 04:01:24 <gjs278> http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/7137/screenshotecr.png here it is in action
651 2011-04-15 04:01:35 <gjs278> horrifying
652 2011-04-15 04:02:16 <lfm> you sure it isnt running?
653 2011-04-15 04:02:21 <gjs278> it is
654 2011-04-15 04:02:24 <gjs278> because check this
655 2011-04-15 04:02:29 <gjs278> well okay
656 2011-04-15 04:02:30 <gjs278> I mean
657 2011-04-15 04:02:32 <gjs278> it's running
658 2011-04-15 04:02:35 <gjs278> but it's not backgrounding
659 2011-04-15 04:02:40 <lfm> so just add a &
660 2011-04-15 04:02:45 <gjs278> or a -daemon
661 2011-04-15 04:02:59 <gjs278> if you do -daemon it will basically & it for you
662 2011-04-15 04:03:13 <lfm> does it make a .pid file for ya?
663 2011-04-15 04:03:43 <gjs278> actually it doesn't unless I run it it with -daemon
664 2011-04-15 04:04:10 <gjs278> because I stupidly coded it that way I guess
665 2011-04-15 04:04:19 <gjs278> because I thought daemon mode would just always be on
666 2011-04-15 04:05:00 <sacarlson> I guess it's not posible to use the old bitcoin gui to run a newer bitcoind is it?
667 2011-04-15 04:06:24 <lfm> sacarlson: um, you're not making sense
668 2011-04-15 04:07:36 <sacarlson> lfm: I found I can control bitcoind server with the old version of bitcoind by accedent,  I was wondering if the same was true for the gui since I have the old libs for the old gui not the new libs for the new gui in ubuntu 10.04
669 2011-04-15 04:08:07 <lfm> the gui with -server should be just like bitcoind
670 2011-04-15 04:08:13 <gjs278> gah
671 2011-04-15 04:08:19 <gjs278> the pidfile doesn't work with -testnet
672 2011-04-15 04:08:33 <gjs278> I am truely disappoint
673 2011-04-15 04:08:57 <sacarlson> lfm I can't compile the gui version with ease in ubuntu 10.04 without more downloading and compiling of libs
674 2011-04-15 04:08:59 <gjs278> wait
675 2011-04-15 04:09:00 <gjs278> nevermind
676 2011-04-15 04:09:02 <gjs278> it does
677 2011-04-15 04:09:06 <gjs278> it's just in /.bitcoin/testnet
678 2011-04-15 04:09:16 <gjs278> cool
679 2011-04-15 04:11:05 <lfm> i think you can actually run regular and testnet at the same time on one machine now
680 2011-04-15 04:11:10 <gjs278> yep
681 2011-04-15 04:11:13 <gjs278> different datadirs
682 2011-04-15 04:11:13 <sacarlson> ok I answered my own question when I try to run the old bitcoin when the new bitcoind is running it gets an error so it tries to run it's own server
683 2011-04-15 04:11:22 <gjs278> thats because
684 2011-04-15 04:11:27 <gjs278> they would both try to access the wallet
685 2011-04-15 04:11:30 <gjs278> which would be bad
686 2011-04-15 04:11:44 <gjs278> it doesn't care about old new, even new/new might fail
687 2011-04-15 04:12:01 <sacarlson> gjs278: I thought it would just start to json the transactions if the server was already running
688 2011-04-15 04:12:23 <gjs278> client needs full access to wallet.dat
689 2011-04-15 04:12:27 <gjs278> server also needs it
690 2011-04-15 04:12:40 <gjs278> you could screw up your wallet.dat if they both tried to access it at the same time
691 2011-04-15 04:13:00 <gjs278> [2011-03-15 01:12:01] PROOF OF WORK RESULT: false (booooo)
692 2011-04-15 04:13:00 <sacarlson> gjs278: I thought the gui client was just a json client to the server so I thought it might work
693 2011-04-15 04:13:10 <gjs278> nah
694 2011-04-15 04:13:15 <gjs278> you can run the client without the server
695 2011-04-15 04:13:16 <gjs278> well
696 2011-04-15 04:13:18 <gjs278> you have to
697 2011-04-15 04:14:10 <sacarlson> that's ok someday I'll make a simple gui that just does json to the bitcoind server if I ever get that smart
698 2011-04-15 04:14:36 <gjs278> luke-jr would cream his pants if he was reading this conversation
699 2011-04-15 04:15:00 <sacarlson> luke-jr is cream a good thing?
700 2011-04-15 04:15:10 <gjs278> you can try his spesmilo client
701 2011-04-15 04:15:23 <gjs278> if you don't like the default
702 2011-04-15 04:15:48 <gjs278> I believe it works by connecting to a bitcoind
703 2011-04-15 04:15:57 <sacarlson> gjs278: is that a part of the git?
704 2011-04-15 04:16:01 <gjs278> it's somewhere
705 2011-04-15 04:16:13 <gjs278> not in the main git per say, it's on its own little repo
706 2011-04-15 04:16:51 <sacarlson> gjs278: probly easier and more usfull if I just had a browser interface
707 2011-04-15 04:20:29 <sacarlson> isn't there a simple browser interface with php or java available to operate the bitcoind?  for send and verify recieve confirmations?
708 2011-04-15 04:20:45 <lfm> dont think so
709 2011-04-15 04:21:07 <sacarlson> lfm: well I will start there then
710 2011-04-15 04:21:14 <jgarzik> sacarlson: mybitcoin.com or mtgox.com
711 2011-04-15 04:21:18 <gjs278> that would be a pain for people to setup compared to just doubleclick bitcoin.exe
712 2011-04-15 04:21:22 <sacarlson> I'm sure I won't need any libs to get that to work
713 2011-04-15 04:21:43 <lfm> well ya mybitcoin.com could qualify as that I guess
714 2011-04-15 04:21:54 <jgarzik> no need to run a bitcoin client, to use bitcoins.  several websites deposit and withdraw bitcoins.
715 2011-04-15 04:22:30 <sacarlson> lfm: did mybitcoin.com release there code?
716 2011-04-15 04:22:41 <gjs278> it's json
717 2011-04-15 04:22:48 <gjs278> the code is pretty simple
718 2011-04-15 04:22:52 <gjs278> there's nothing to really reveal
719 2011-04-15 04:23:01 <gjs278> you auth against your localhost, you send it commands
720 2011-04-15 04:23:26 <jgarzik> sacarlson: no
721 2011-04-15 04:23:38 <sacarlson> gjs278: ya that's probly within my skill range
722 2011-04-15 04:23:42 <lfm> anyway I dont think mybitcoin has opened there main site source
723 2011-04-15 04:24:22 <sacarlson> lfm: I do have some open code from a site that's an exchange that I can look at for examples also
724 2011-04-15 04:26:16 <jgarzik> Man, it's annoying when my machines get attacked by a botnet.  They fly right into the honeypot of course, but still... wasted bandwidth and wasted CPU, trying stupid things like dictionary attack on ssh root user over a hundred-thousand times.
725 2011-04-15 04:28:08 <gjs278> lol
726 2011-04-15 04:28:24 <gjs278> put ssh on a different port, you'll cut it in half
727 2011-04-15 04:30:20 <gjs278> jgarzik do they try any http attacks
728 2011-04-15 04:30:27 <gjs278> because that's just asking for the 1tb gzipped 0 file
729 2011-04-15 04:31:07 <gjs278> I don't care who you are, if you try a hit _vti_bin.dll you're getting an explosion sent back to you
730 2011-04-15 04:31:22 <jgarzik> gjs278: heh, cute :)
731 2011-04-15 04:31:32 <jgarzik> yeah, plenty of http attacks too
732 2011-04-15 04:31:44 <gjs278> it really makes me mad when they fill my 404 logs too
733 2011-04-15 04:31:52 <gjs278> because I actually look at those to make sure I don't kill any old links
734 2011-04-15 04:31:55 <gjs278> but nooo
735 2011-04-15 04:32:13 <gjs278> bots everywhere deciding to hit /phpmyadmin 9000 times
736 2011-04-15 04:32:19 <jgarzik> yep
737 2011-04-15 04:32:36 <gjs278> /apply/admin/categories.php/login.php 98 times
738 2011-04-15 04:32:40 <jgarzik> phpmyadmin sure is a major attack vector, according to my web logs
739 2011-04-15 04:32:59 <gjs278> /register 36 times
740 2011-04-15 04:33:36 <jgarzik> I need to put together some sort of distributed intelligence for my cluster, so that an attack on one machine bans that IP from all machines
741 2011-04-15 04:33:54 <gjs278> do you use a load balancer
742 2011-04-15 04:33:58 <sacarlson> jgarzik: I had that problem with ssh attacks, after I changed the port from 22 to another the problem went away
743 2011-04-15 04:34:27 <jgarzik> home-built load balancer, though IPVS is on the horizon, if I grow
744 2011-04-15 04:35:03 <gjs278> well
745 2011-04-15 04:35:08 <gjs278> just ban them in the load balancer
746 2011-04-15 04:36:41 <gjs278> I personally don't ban anyone, it's not really that big of a drain on me
747 2011-04-15 04:36:50 <gjs278> they want to waste their time oh well
748 2011-04-15 04:37:05 <kiba> jgarzik: saw your name on GIMP history page
749 2011-04-15 04:37:26 <gjs278> gimp 2.2 was the last good release
750 2011-04-15 04:37:28 <jgarzik> gjs278: I drop their IPs in iptables on the machine in question
751 2011-04-15 04:37:43 <gjs278> no iptables here, just an open 80 and 22
752 2011-04-15 04:37:52 <gjs278> go nuts chinese hackers
753 2011-04-15 04:38:14 <gjs278> if I really really had to block anyone, I'd do it on the router level
754 2011-04-15 04:41:12 <kiba> wonders why Chinese hackers are so pervalent
755 2011-04-15 04:42:24 <gjs278> imagine living in china
756 2011-04-15 04:42:30 <gjs278> what else would you have to do
757 2011-04-15 04:43:00 <retinal> rather, what else is extremely profitable?
758 2011-04-15 04:43:20 <gjs278> opium
759 2011-04-15 04:43:44 <noagendamarket> being in the chinese government
760 2011-04-15 04:45:13 <retinal> and in a completely separate train of thought, for some reason, I get better hashing performance over a x1 PCIe link
761 2011-04-15 04:45:20 <retinal> as opposed to a full x16
762 2011-04-15 04:45:28 <retinal> (-ap;)
763 2011-04-15 04:46:29 <lfm> retinal: that makes no sense
764 2011-04-15 04:47:08 <retinal> indeed it does not
765 2011-04-15 04:47:16 <gjs278> user error
766 2011-04-15 04:47:52 <retinal> in this case, the problem does not exist between keyboard and chair
767 2011-04-15 04:48:45 <retinal> oh well, it's only a 20Mhash/s difference
768 2011-04-15 04:49:18 <gjs278> only 20mhash
769 2011-04-15 04:49:21 <gjs278> what card is it
770 2011-04-15 04:49:59 <gjs278> for it to be a 20mhash difference, it better be a 5970
771 2011-04-15 04:50:13 <retinal> 5870 running at 400MH/s over x1, 380MH/s over x16
772 2011-04-15 04:50:44 <gjs278> what core clock
773 2011-04-15 04:50:59 <retinal> core clocked at 1008MHz at stock voltage
774 2011-04-15 04:51:04 <gjs278> wahhhhhhhh
775 2011-04-15 04:51:05 <retinal> memory at 1200MHz
776 2011-04-15 04:51:08 <gjs278> wahhhhhhhh
777 2011-04-15 04:51:10 <gjs278> how
778 2011-04-15 04:51:11 <retinal> everything over air and stable
779 2011-04-15 04:51:12 <gjs278> what's your stock
780 2011-04-15 04:51:16 <retinal> (??????)
781 2011-04-15 04:51:19 <gjs278> lies
782 2011-04-15 04:51:23 <retinal> 1.164V
783 2011-04-15 04:51:24 <gjs278> mine is 1.2125
784 2011-04-15 04:51:27 <gjs278> and I crash
785 2011-04-15 04:51:31 <gjs278> at 975
786 2011-04-15 04:51:32 <gjs278> instantly
787 2011-04-15 04:51:37 <MagicalTux> wtf
788 2011-04-15 04:51:47 <lfm> every card is a bit different
789 2011-04-15 04:51:47 <MagicalTux> we have a guy who claims to have taken a lot from the bitcoin faucet ?
790 2011-04-15 04:51:59 <gjs278> well okay every card is a little difference
791 2011-04-15 04:52:04 <gjs278> but 1008 on 1.16
792 2011-04-15 04:52:10 <gjs278> is a little ridiculous
793 2011-04-15 04:52:12 <retinal> well, what proof do you want?
794 2011-04-15 04:52:20 <gjs278> the brand so I can buy it next time
795 2011-04-15 04:52:46 <retinal> it's discontinued
796 2011-04-15 04:52:57 <retinal> sec, screencapping stuff :>
797 2011-04-15 04:53:01 <gjs278> what is this hipster graphics cards
798 2011-04-15 04:53:22 <retinal> msi 5870 lightning ii
799 2011-04-15 04:53:27 <gjs278> ok
800 2011-04-15 04:53:34 <retinal> grabbed it for $220 a while back
801 2011-04-15 04:53:44 <retinal> amazon sent me one with chinese packaging
802 2011-04-15 04:53:46 <gjs278> I don't care for proof, but it would be cool to see a gpu-z screenshot of it in action
803 2011-04-15 04:53:50 <gjs278> because thats pretty impressive
804 2011-04-15 04:53:52 <retinal> but imagine my surprise :>
805 2011-04-15 04:54:23 <retinal> alright, sec; I'm doing everything over VNC
806 2011-04-15 04:54:37 <gjs278> I'm on opencl 2.2/11.3 driver/64-bit linux and I can crash at even 950 if I use it long enough
807 2011-04-15 04:55:36 <gjs278> which gets me 352mhash while doing -f60
808 2011-04-15 04:58:34 <retinal> gjs278: http://i53.tinypic.com/5v97v7.png
809 2011-04-15 04:59:06 <gjs278> damn
810 2011-04-15 04:59:14 <retinal> PCI-E 2.0x16 gets 380MH/s
811 2011-04-15 04:59:25 <retinal> but x1 gets 400MH/s, everything else constant
812 2011-04-15 04:59:28 <retinal> makes no sense
813 2011-04-15 04:59:29 <retinal> ??( a ?????)??
814 2011-04-15 04:59:31 <retinal> ??( ????? a)??
815 2011-04-15 04:59:49 <gjs278> $220 insane deal too
816 2011-04-15 05:00:16 <retinal> I only got it as replacement for my 8800GTS that I bought back in '06
817 2011-04-15 05:00:30 <retinal> getting all these bitcoins is just a side benefit :>
818 2011-04-15 05:01:02 <retinal> the non-reference PCB makes fitting it into a mini-tower quite difficult
819 2011-04-15 05:01:21 <gjs278> I wonder why my card crashes at 975 even with 1.2
820 2011-04-15 05:01:38 <retinal> different components
821 2011-04-15 05:01:51 <gjs278> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121374 is the card I'm on right now
822 2011-04-15 05:01:55 <retinal> the card I have is advertised to have all these fancy schmancy high end components
823 2011-04-15 05:02:06 <retinal> it even has 2x8-pin PCIe power connectors
824 2011-04-15 05:02:33 <retinal> nice
825 2011-04-15 05:02:34 <gjs278> yeah
826 2011-04-15 05:02:39 <gjs278> I have 1 4 and 1 3
827 2011-04-15 05:02:47 <retinal> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127509 was what I got
828 2011-04-15 05:02:48 <gjs278> so and 8 and a 6
829 2011-04-15 05:04:13 <retinal> well, if you do happen to be in the market for a card similar to mine, just note that there's a lightning II and a I
830 2011-04-15 05:04:25 <retinal> you definitely want the II, as it has a better heatsink design
831 2011-04-15 05:04:34 <gjs278> I would be if the stupid cooler on this thing didnt take up two pci slots on me
832 2011-04-15 05:04:43 <gjs278> I'd have to move it back to the 1x slot
833 2011-04-15 05:05:02 <retinal> and back to the problem at hand: x1 > x16. why.
834 2011-04-15 05:05:14 <retinal> wrryyyy
835 2011-04-15 05:05:21 <gjs278> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131641 is my board
836 2011-04-15 05:05:29 <gjs278> I have the card in far the dark blue
837 2011-04-15 05:05:35 <gjs278> and it covers the next one as well ;_;
838 2011-04-15 05:05:48 <gjs278> because the asus is a vacuum cleaner and I had to replace the fan
839 2011-04-15 05:07:25 <retinal> as much as I like ASUS, I've had a comical time with their BIOS updates in the past
840 2011-04-15 05:08:03 <retinal> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130274 is what I'm running on
841 2011-04-15 05:08:31 <kiba> yay!
842 2011-04-15 05:08:41 <retinal> snagged it on sale and it has a BIOS update for BD CPUs when they come out
843 2011-04-15 05:08:42 <kiba> Bitcoin is mentioned in a linux magazine
844 2011-04-15 05:09:05 <kiba> http://www.linuxmag.nl/dit-nummer.html
845 2011-04-15 05:09:07 <retinal> kiba: print magazine?
846 2011-04-15 05:09:21 <retinal> ah, online
847 2011-04-15 05:09:27 <retinal> or wait
848 2011-04-15 05:09:29 <Diablo-D3> http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/216245_216462078369366_100000167257211_959633_1579092_n.jpg
849 2011-04-15 05:11:43 <sacarlson> I'm not sure what's changed but now I at least see the transactions within 1 secound now that I provide a fee of .02 on both sides in testnet
850 2011-04-15 05:23:38 <roconnor__> sacarlson: morning
851 2011-04-15 05:23:57 <sacarlson> roconnor: what's up?
852 2011-04-15 05:25:19 <roconnor> Working on implementing the ECDSA stuff.
853 2011-04-15 05:25:30 <roconnor> (in my library)
854 2011-04-15 05:40:53 <kiba> is the bitcoin forum down?
855 2011-04-15 05:42:08 <jgarzik> kiba: no
856 2011-04-15 05:47:04 <kiba> somebody made a 3D game in emacs O_o
857 2011-04-15 05:47:14 <kiba> http://d.hatena.ne.jp/kiwanami/20110413/1302709536
858 2011-04-15 05:49:36 <lfm> did they port Doom (v1) ?
859 2011-04-15 06:04:52 <MagicalTux> kiba, japanese ppl are crazy
860 2011-04-15 06:09:16 <BlueMatt> witten: ping
861 2011-04-15 06:09:33 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik http-version * ra5843203574a bitcoind-personal/ (init.cpp ui.cpp util.cpp util.h): Ensure version number->string conversion is consistent http://tinyurl.com/3nvmcrs
862 2011-04-15 06:09:36 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik http-version * r17616eac1797 bitcoind-personal/rpc.cpp: Send/return full bitcoin version string in Server and User-Agent HTTP headers http://tinyurl.com/3q8nngf
863 2011-04-15 07:02:52 <topi`_> kiba: that's cool :D my elisp skills would not suffice for that
864 2011-04-15 07:20:25 <topi`_> here's an interesting article about SEC considering crowdfunding thru the 'net and social media:
865 2011-04-15 07:20:29 <topi`_> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/opening-up-crowdfunding-as-a-mechanism-for-equity-investment/2011/04/14
866 2011-04-15 07:20:42 <topi`_> don't know yet if that would include investments made through Bitcoin, maybe.
867 2011-04-15 07:30:30 <topi`_> this is also interesting, the Greeks are already using alternative currencies for their daily exchange: http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/alternative-exchange-systems-in-contemporary-greece-review/2011/04/15?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+P2pFoundation+%28P2P+Foundation%29
868 2011-04-15 07:31:01 <topi`_> I wonder if all those local currencies are legal under EU law.
869 2011-04-15 07:33:32 <Insti> Anything involving the SEC is too much government intervention.
870 2011-04-15 07:36:59 <Diablo-D3> FUCKING BULLSHIT
871 2011-04-15 07:37:06 <Diablo-D3> THATS IMPOSSIBLE
872 2011-04-15 07:38:16 <retinal> wah
873 2011-04-15 07:38:34 <nathan7> Diablo-D3: :O
874 2011-04-15 07:38:47 <Diablo-D3> okay I was right
875 2011-04-15 07:38:49 <Diablo-D3> its impossible.
876 2011-04-15 07:43:30 <Diablo-D3> it was reading higher than it should have after a minor change
877 2011-04-15 07:44:41 <nathan7> :o
878 2011-04-15 07:49:05 <krytzz> we need greeks here :)
879 2011-04-15 07:49:51 <Diablo-D3> okay
880 2011-04-15 07:49:52 <Diablo-D3> so
881 2011-04-15 07:49:54 <Diablo-D3> my 4850
882 2011-04-15 07:50:02 <Diablo-D3> is now doing 76.5 mhash/sec
883 2011-04-15 07:50:07 <Diablo-D3> I think I have hit a new high
884 2011-04-15 07:51:17 <lfm> wtg
885 2011-04-15 07:51:39 <Diablo-D3> that code I did ysterday wasnt quite what I wanted
886 2011-04-15 07:51:43 <Diablo-D3> I kept making new buffers
887 2011-04-15 07:51:46 <Diablo-D3> thats not the right answer
888 2011-04-15 07:52:08 <Diablo-D3> just make two and flip between kernel executions
889 2011-04-15 07:52:49 <Diablo-D3> that seems to be the last final speed increase for real
890 2011-04-15 07:53:03 <krytzz> would be awesome to make bitcoin popular in greece
891 2011-04-15 07:54:02 <topi`_> krytzz: do you know any greeks? :)
892 2011-04-15 07:54:12 <jeremias> ol
893 2011-04-15 07:54:37 <krytzz> topi`_: not really
894 2011-04-15 07:54:40 <Diablo-D3> I think Art said the theoretical max on a 4850 is 77 something
895 2011-04-15 07:54:47 <Diablo-D3> so zoomj
896 2011-04-15 07:55:21 <topi`_> has anybody benchmarked how long would it take to start the bitcoin client on an iPhone or android phone?
897 2011-04-15 07:55:31 <CIA-89> DiabloMiner: Patrick McFarland master * r46af477 / src/main/java/com/diablominer/DiabloMiner/DiabloMiner.java : Creating new buffers constantly isn't the answer, double buffering is - http://bit.ly/gGRk3n
898 2011-04-15 07:55:34 <topi`_> assuming that the block cache would already exist.
899 2011-04-15 07:55:35 <krytzz> depends on the sd card topi`_
900 2011-04-15 07:55:54 <topi`_> my blockcache + wallet.dat seems to be 250 megabytes in size.
901 2011-04-15 07:56:00 <topi`_> is the blockcache compressed?
902 2011-04-15 07:56:06 <lfm> topi`_: give it up!
903 2011-04-15 07:56:12 <krytzz> i think not
904 2011-04-15 07:56:20 <krytzz> i agree with lfm :p
905 2011-04-15 07:56:27 <krytzz> rather do an rpc client on a phone
906 2011-04-15 07:56:35 <lfm> it stupid to run the client on a phone
907 2011-04-15 07:56:46 <Diablo-D3> whos using my miner in here?
908 2011-04-15 07:57:21 <topi`_> krytzz: if you'd have a rpc client on the phone, then you'd need a computer that's on the 'net and runs the actuan client
909 2011-04-15 07:57:44 <krytzz> topi`_: right but that will be less and less of a problem
910 2011-04-15 07:57:44 <topi`_> when everybody finally has a IPv6 without NAT then it could be possible
911 2011-04-15 07:58:01 <topi`_> of course, you can use a bitcoin wallet service. but I would not.
912 2011-04-15 07:58:07 <krytzz> topi`_: routers are getting better and be able to install "apps" and everything
913 2011-04-15 07:58:44 <sipa> Diablo-D3: seems a bit faster than before
914 2011-04-15 07:59:01 <sipa> maybe statistical variance
915 2011-04-15 07:59:16 <Diablo-D3> sipa: but I didnt finish uploading it yet?
916 2011-04-15 07:59:20 <Diablo-D3> now its done
917 2011-04-15 07:59:52 <krytzz> topi`_: also you can do the port-forwarding configuration via upnp nowadays
918 2011-04-15 08:00:13 <Diablo-D3> sipa: the version before this one was trying to cheat by constantly creating new buffers
919 2011-04-15 08:00:13 <topi`_> wallet.dat compresses at 67%, blkindex.dat at 35% and blk0001.dat at 28% (using bzip2)
920 2011-04-15 08:00:21 <Diablo-D3> topi`_: try lrzip
921 2011-04-15 08:00:31 <Diablo-D3> topi`_: best compression program ever
922 2011-04-15 08:00:55 <topi`_> but what are these __db.00? files about? they're mostly very low entropy, compress at 90% or more
923 2011-04-15 08:00:58 <Diablo-D3> sipa: just creating two and flipping seems to be superior
924 2011-04-15 08:01:05 <Diablo-D3> topi`_: internally used by bdb
925 2011-04-15 08:02:09 <topi`_> oh, ok
926 2011-04-15 08:02:21 <Diablo-D3> you dont have to keep them
927 2011-04-15 08:02:45 <topi`_> so you just need blk0001.dat and blkindex.dat?