1 2011-04-16 00:19:17 <sacarlson> are the accounts numbers just created by the client with a random number and then just verified it doesn't exsist yet?  if so why don't they make the first 4 leters the code for the version of the bitcoin and also codes for new types that people can read with there eye's when they see them
  2 2011-04-16 00:21:51 <kiba> sacarlson: no, they don't verify if it exists yet
  3 2011-04-16 00:22:26 <sacarlson> kiba ok but it's still created by the client is it not?
  4 2011-04-16 00:23:05 <kiba> dunno how key generation works except that it have something to do with cryptography and very large prime number
  5 2011-04-16 00:24:03 <sacarlson> kiba well if the number must be the same then just add a text leader to the original number that is pulled off before the number is sent to or checked
  6 2011-04-16 00:25:05 <kiba> the likelyhood of generating the same number that somebody have is damn small
  7 2011-04-16 00:25:06 <kiba> plus
  8 2011-04-16 00:25:23 <sacarlson> kiba as I had the problem with testnet were my version was wrong and it wouldn't work since I ran version 2.19 and the other sent me 2.20.X tbtc there should be a way to see with my eye's that it won't work
  9 2011-04-16 00:25:25 <kiba> there's no way to prove which one of you have ownership of bitcoin
 10 2011-04-16 00:25:52 <kiba> that probably have nothing to do with the cryptography used in bitcoin
 11 2011-04-16 00:27:22 <sacarlson> kiba it has to do with the reset on that version,  and since I plan to make new coin with other base code I will make mine distribute with an added code
 12 2011-04-16 00:28:29 <sacarlson> I will add a 4 leter leader to the code to identify that it uses a different key to check it
 13 2011-04-16 00:34:25 <sacarlson> I have a new version now compiled that can change the  hashGenesisBlock and ntime and nnounce  so you can change to new coin in the future
 14 2011-04-16 00:35:09 <[Noodles]> why would you want to change to new coin in the future?
 15 2011-04-16 00:35:15 <krytzz> for the testnet?
 16 2011-04-16 00:35:43 <[Noodles]> well, testnet is for testing, difficulty got that hard that testing was almost impossible
 17 2011-04-16 00:35:43 <sacarlson> [Noodles]: to trade different things not just money as we do in the NYSE
 18 2011-04-16 00:35:57 <[Noodles]> that's why it has been reset
 19 2011-04-16 00:36:27 <[Noodles]> then create different blockchains, dont switch from old to new
 20 2011-04-16 00:36:53 <sacarlson> [Noodles]: if difficulty on this system then you would just go to an exchange station to get a 2/1 split
 21 2011-04-16 00:37:13 <[Noodles]> huh?
 22 2011-04-16 00:37:33 <krytzz> what are you talking about? probably nobody will accept a new coin or do you mean for testing purposes?
 23 2011-04-16 00:38:11 <sacarlson> [Noodles]: there could be places where you exchange other bitcoin with an exchange as we do now at mtgox
 24 2011-04-16 00:38:30 <[Noodles]> yeah, got that
 25 2011-04-16 00:38:57 <krytzz> good luck, but you need a damn good reason for a new coin
 26 2011-04-16 00:39:15 <[Noodles]> but why do you ant to create NYSEcoins and then later switch to newNYSEcoins?
 27 2011-04-16 00:39:27 <[Noodles]> that's whaat makes no sense to me
 28 2011-04-16 00:39:27 <sacarlson> krytzz: at this time it's just an extension of test and a way to test my new exchange but later hope to point each coin group to an thing like a comodity or corporation shares
 29 2011-04-16 00:39:44 <krytzz> sacarlson: ah ok
 30 2011-04-16 00:39:57 <kiba> that's a waste of time
 31 2011-04-16 00:40:08 <kiba> just go with standard cryptography tool
 32 2011-04-16 00:40:46 <sacarlson> [Noodles]: well you tell me why did you reset the testnet code.  I guess it might be for the same resoon
 33 2011-04-16 00:41:08 <[Noodles]> krytzz: there are alternative blockchains already, those marsian-coins for example (a game-currency)
 34 2011-04-16 00:41:43 <[Noodles]> well, as said, testnet is called TESTnet for a reason, it's to test clients and miners, which can be very very hard if the difficulty is highh
 35 2011-04-16 00:41:48 <sacarlson> [Noodles]: yes I spoke with one of the game coiners yestarday and he liked the idea
 36 2011-04-16 00:42:02 <[Noodles]> in a running blockchain though it's a GOOD thing to have a HIGH difficulty
 37 2011-04-16 00:42:15 <[Noodles]> and the longest possible chain#
 38 2011-04-16 00:42:32 <[Noodles]> so it makes no sense to *reset* from time to time, it hurts badly
 39 2011-04-16 00:42:56 <krytzz> [Noodles]: ah ok, cant think of a reason for an alternative blockchain though
 40 2011-04-16 00:43:13 <krytzz> instead of testing
 41 2011-04-16 00:43:18 <sacarlson> [Noodles]: well at least with this method if you do reset your client will still be able to tell why it can't send it
 42 2011-04-16 00:45:42 <[Noodles]> well, you'll delete everyones holdings, why should people allow you to? how to force people to switch?
 43 2011-04-16 00:47:33 <[Noodles]> think about what happens if we reset the main-chain, guess some people (including me) might not like that and just won't update to your version
 44 2011-04-16 00:49:42 <sacarlson> [Noodles]: how do corporations go bankrupt?  the same way you liquidate all assets or someone buys them all out
 45 2011-04-16 00:50:18 <[Noodles]> well, you just can't do that once your network grows
 46 2011-04-16 00:50:49 <phantomcircuit> sacarlson, that would fail, the main miners would continue and the chain wouldn't die
 47 2011-04-16 00:51:03 <sacarlson> [Noodles]: well if it stays healthy that's fine then it lives on
 48 2011-04-16 00:51:18 <[Noodles]> you've seen yourself that even the old testnet-blockchain isnt dead yet
 49 2011-04-16 00:51:26 <[Noodles]> it's still there
 50 2011-04-16 00:51:32 <[Noodles]> and still in use
 51 2011-04-16 00:52:21 <sacarlson> [Noodles]: yes and I also see that general motors stock shares still trade even when they are worthless but that's up to the people that trade them
 52 2011-04-16 00:53:35 <[Noodles]> well, you're starting creating a worthless new chain, why should i want to switch? because it's easier for you to generate on lower difficulty?
 53 2011-04-16 00:55:39 <[Noodles]> the longer chain is the stronger one, you can of course create an alternate chain, to offer another currency, but resetting makes no sense, everyone will lose
 54 2011-04-16 00:56:02 <krytzz> no, late adopters will win :p
 55 2011-04-16 00:56:20 <[Noodles]> no, they will just lose less
 56 2011-04-16 00:56:29 <krytzz> which is a win
 57 2011-04-16 00:56:47 <krytzz> if they mine afterwards
 58 2011-04-16 00:57:10 <sacarlson> [Noodles]: I havn't ironed out all that much yet but I can still posibly make it more dificult to produce after some number of coins are produced so the first set of coins start from the organization that starts it then later the coins jump to a very much more difficult number
 59 2011-04-16 00:58:26 <[Noodles]> huh? and make it harder for those now-early-birds?
 60 2011-04-16 00:58:53 <[Noodles]> however, why do you want to reset in the first place, that's what i dont get
 61 2011-04-16 00:59:14 <[Noodles]> why could someone possibly want that to happen?
 62 2011-04-16 00:59:20 <sacarlson> [Noodles]: at the start the creation of coin is kept private just as most companies are, then later you sell off your holdings to want to be share holders
 63 2011-04-16 01:00:04 <[Noodles]> sure, generate trhem all, sell them, reset, repeat
 64 2011-04-16 01:00:08 <sacarlson> [Noodles]: why do people buy IBM or CISCO?  same reson they like the idea of what the group does or what it holds
 65 2011-04-16 01:00:30 <Blitzboom> pleaso do build your own currency
 66 2011-04-16 01:00:44 <Blitzboom> but then stop leeching from the bitcoin infrastructure
 67 2011-04-16 01:01:12 <[Noodles]> and your group does exactly that, generate->sell->reset->repeat, to make invinite profit, nice idea, but i doubt it'll work
 68 2011-04-16 01:01:20 <sacarlson> Blitzboom: that was already in the plan to use my own IRC and to keep it all private
 69 2011-04-16 01:01:35 <[Noodles]> why should people buy your self-generated coins, if you are able to reset them to zero?
 70 2011-04-16 01:02:03 <[Noodles]> not to mention that's exactly what they are worth when you create them all
 71 2011-04-16 01:02:12 <[Noodles]> at least to me
 72 2011-04-16 01:02:23 <sacarlson> [Noodles]: you already told me you can't delete a coin just produce new ones,  why do we have more than one company why doesn't the goverment just do everything
 73 2011-04-16 01:02:59 <[Noodles]> yeah, you're right, every company could create a blcokchain and sell it's coins as shares of that company
 74 2011-04-16 01:03:23 <sacarlson> [Noodles]: now you got the picture
 75 2011-04-16 01:03:35 <[Noodles]> but that's already possible
 76 2011-04-16 01:05:22 <sacarlson> [Noodles]: yes posible but it just needs a bit of improvment to identify what account or base chain it links to so the one that gets the number can see with his eyes if he can use it that's all
 77 2011-04-16 01:05:30 <[Noodles]> but what if that company decides to reset it's chain?
 78 2011-04-16 01:05:53 <[Noodles]> it could sell new coins as expensive as the old ones
 79 2011-04-16 01:06:02 <[Noodles]> and make twice as much money
 80 2011-04-16 01:06:39 <sacarlson> [Noodles]: companies do that all the time if they need to raise more money they sell more shares in the company and with that money they grow but the original holders take a hit
 81 2011-04-16 01:06:44 <[Noodles]> any ability to *reset* the blockchain isnt an improvement if you ask me, it's a main-stopper
 82 2011-04-16 01:07:35 <sacarlson> [Noodles]: in this case you will never reset only add more different coins that can all be read and sent with a single client
 83 2011-04-16 01:07:39 <[Noodles]> and they are free todo so with or without bitcoin-like shares, question is, if people are silly enough to pay for it
 84 2011-04-16 01:08:19 <Blitzboom> add coins freely?
 85 2011-04-16 01:08:25 <Blitzboom> so inflation at will
 86 2011-04-16 01:08:27 <JFK911> ;;bc,mtgox
 87 2011-04-16 01:08:28 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.09,"low":0.911,"vol":53981,"buy":1.034,"sell":1.0359,"last":1.033}}
 88 2011-04-16 01:08:42 <Blitzboom> or am i mistaken
 89 2011-04-16 01:08:44 <[Noodles]> does it matter if he generates them all anyway?
 90 2011-04-16 01:08:44 <sacarlson> [Noodles]: well I don't like to pay $10 to trade 100 shares of IBM,  if I could just buy $10 of IBM with no fee's I think I would choose that
 91 2011-04-16 01:09:07 <Blitzboom> interesting
 92 2011-04-16 01:09:18 <Blitzboom> maybe it works because the company is bound to law and is not anonym
 93 2011-04-16 01:10:38 <krytzz> stocks are just another form of fiat money
 94 2011-04-16 01:11:05 <sacarlson> krytzz: what is fiat money?
 95 2011-04-16 01:11:27 <krytzz> sacarlson: money with no intrinsic value
 96 2011-04-16 01:12:10 <Blitzboom> bitcoin is no fiat money
 97 2011-04-16 01:12:13 <sacarlson> krytzz: well you are partly correct normaly stock sell for way more than the company is worth on faith that they will be worth more in the future
 98 2011-04-16 01:12:26 <Blitzboom> enforced by the state
 99 2011-04-16 01:12:33 <krytzz> Blitzboom: i meant stocks, not bitcoin
100 2011-04-16 01:12:39 <gasteve> sacarlson: that's not the correct definition of fiat money
101 2011-04-16 01:12:53 <Blitzboom> but stocks cant be fiat money either in that sense
102 2011-04-16 01:13:05 <Blitzboom> they are just a private currency
103 2011-04-16 01:14:06 <sacarlson> ok then bitcoin is not fiat it just works on trust and faith as should be all money and stocks and bonds
104 2011-04-16 01:14:30 <Blitzboom> yeah
105 2011-04-16 01:14:46 <Blitzboom> just a form of agreement
106 2011-04-16 01:15:03 <gasteve> sacarlson: gold also just works on trust and faith
107 2011-04-16 01:15:44 <gjs278> I am going freaking insane
108 2011-04-16 01:15:50 <gjs278> bitcoind will not start from monit
109 2011-04-16 01:15:51 <sacarlson> gasteve: that's another one I want a goldbcoin  it's one of my first candidates with just a single $1000 worth of gold to back it
110 2011-04-16 01:15:53 <gjs278> it just refuses
111 2011-04-16 01:15:57 <gjs278> any command I give
112 2011-04-16 01:15:58 <gjs278> nothing
113 2011-04-16 01:16:15 <purplezky> gjs278: what's in ~/.bitcoin/debug.log
114 2011-04-16 01:16:22 <gjs278> it doesn't even get that far
115 2011-04-16 01:16:24 <gjs278> the problem is monit
116 2011-04-16 01:16:27 <gjs278> is a piece of junk
117 2011-04-16 01:16:28 <Blitzboom> how do you want to back a distributed currency?
118 2011-04-16 01:16:31 <gasteve> sacarlson: not sure what you mean by goldbcoin
119 2011-04-16 01:16:33 <Blitzboom> you cant without centralization
120 2011-04-16 01:16:40 <gjs278> I do /usr/bin/bitcoind > /tmp/WHYOHGODWHY.txt and nothing
121 2011-04-16 01:16:47 <gjs278> then I run it myself
122 2011-04-16 01:16:48 <Blitzboom> and bitcoin with centralization is the same shit as fiat money
123 2011-04-16 01:16:48 <gjs278> works fine
124 2011-04-16 01:17:17 <tcatm> gjs278: ?
125 2011-04-16 01:17:27 <gjs278> monit is a program for monitoring daemon processes
126 2011-04-16 01:17:32 <gjs278> monit refuses to start bitcoind
127 2011-04-16 01:17:35 <purplezky> chown :monit /usr/bin/bitcoind; cmhod g+x /usr/bin/bitcoind
128 2011-04-16 01:17:38 <gjs278> I use it for my vpn and everything else
129 2011-04-16 01:17:45 <purplezky> need to make sure it has teh rights to do so
130 2011-04-16 01:17:52 <gjs278> I made bitcoind 777 at one point
131 2011-04-16 01:17:54 <gjs278> just to see
132 2011-04-16 01:18:08 <gjs278> I'll go for the chown but I do use it on files that have only root perms
133 2011-04-16 01:18:10 <gjs278> cant hurt
134 2011-04-16 01:18:37 <tcatm> gjs278: bitcoind will always fork
135 2011-04-16 01:18:50 <gjs278> yes, except bitcoind won't even start
136 2011-04-16 01:18:54 <gjs278> because if it did, I would see something
137 2011-04-16 01:18:59 <tcatm> gjs278: recent git?
138 2011-04-16 01:19:07 <gjs278> like two days ago
139 2011-04-16 01:19:13 <tcatm> strange
140 2011-04-16 01:19:14 <gjs278> it has to be monit
141 2011-04-16 01:19:19 <gjs278> because bitcoind even if failing
142 2011-04-16 01:19:23 <gjs278> would give me some kind of feedback
143 2011-04-16 01:19:23 <purplezky> gjs278: bitcoin looks for ~/.bitcoin/bitcoin.conf but if you start as user monit it's another home directory
144 2011-04-16 01:19:29 <gjs278> that's true
145 2011-04-16 01:19:41 <gjs278> I'll have to tell it to do it as the ~ uid
146 2011-04-16 01:19:55 <tcatm> does monit allocate a controlling terminal to bitcoind?
147 2011-04-16 01:20:53 <gjs278> I do it for so many programs that give feedback endlessly
148 2011-04-16 01:20:57 <gjs278> and programs that fork
149 2011-04-16 01:21:16 <tcatm> bitcoind has a rather unclean forking mechanism
150 2011-04-16 01:21:21 <sacarlson> gjs278:  maybe try add to config printtoconsole=1
151 2011-04-16 01:22:18 <gjs278> I've turned off every program
152 2011-04-16 01:22:23 <gjs278> bitcoin is the only one it's trying now
153 2011-04-16 01:22:46 <gjs278> [CDT Apr 15 22:22:04] info     : 'bitcoind' start: /usr/bin/bitcoind
154 2011-04-16 01:22:47 <gjs278> [CDT Apr 15 22:22:34] error    : 'bitcoind' failed to start
155 2011-04-16 01:23:07 <purplezky> hmm is there a bitcoin faucet for testnet ?
156 2011-04-16 01:23:21 <sacarlson> purplezky: yes there is
157 2011-04-16 01:23:28 <tcatm> purplezky: address and how many?
158 2011-04-16 01:24:05 <sacarlson> purplezky: but seems to be broken https://freebitcoins.appspot.com/test/
159 2011-04-16 01:24:29 <purplezky> tcatm: mjYumsS1edsNHbBt3cbXQMekStzfMUuhED just some coins so i can test
160 2011-04-16 01:24:42 <purplezky> i'm prototyping some ideas for bitdns
161 2011-04-16 01:24:52 <witten> is it possible to influence which "fork" of a double spend gets included in the block chain by attaching a large transaction fee to one transaction?
162 2011-04-16 01:24:54 <tcatm> sent
163 2011-04-16 01:24:59 <purplezky> thx
164 2011-04-16 01:25:20 <MBS> so anyone know a way to get my 5770 to run at full clock speed all the time? have it set to 900, but pretty much stays at 600, i mean 900 might kill it but i at least want to see if i can get higher performance than an average of 100Mh
165 2011-04-16 01:30:34 <gjs278> I'm restarting
166 2011-04-16 01:30:36 <gjs278> this is retarded
167 2011-04-16 01:30:53 <gjs278> fuck you monit
168 2011-04-16 01:31:01 <sacarlson> gjs278: windows? or linux
169 2011-04-16 01:31:06 <gjs278> lolnix
170 2011-04-16 01:31:13 <gjs278> if I manually start
171 2011-04-16 01:31:16 <gjs278> it picks up the process
172 2011-04-16 01:31:20 <gjs278> if I tell monit to start
173 2011-04-16 01:31:26 <gjs278> execution "fails"
174 2011-04-16 01:34:34 <purplezky> maybe use sudo to make sure it's running under the correct user
175 2011-04-16 01:35:09 <purplezky> i bet that is the problem, it can't find ~/.bitcoin/*
176 2011-04-16 01:35:20 <gjs278> shouldnt bitcoin > /tmp/why.txt give me something
177 2011-04-16 01:35:21 <gjs278> I mean
178 2011-04-16 01:35:24 <gjs278> why.txt doesn't even get made
179 2011-04-16 01:35:29 <gjs278> it should at least showup blank
180 2011-04-16 01:35:57 <tcatm> how do I configure monit to start bitcoind?
181 2011-04-16 01:36:13 <gjs278> http://www.garyshood.com/bitcoin/monitrc
182 2011-04-16 01:36:26 <purplezky> then use a bash script instead that does echo "test">/tmp/test to test if it fails starting a process or just fails starting bitcoind
183 2011-04-16 01:36:28 <gjs278> you need the latest bitcoin
184 2011-04-16 01:36:35 <gjs278> yeah I'm going to try the bash scrpt next
185 2011-04-16 01:36:42 <gjs278> right now I set a crontab to try and start bitcoind
186 2011-04-16 01:36:48 <gjs278> so let's see if that goes
187 2011-04-16 01:36:58 <gjs278> it did
188 2011-04-16 01:37:08 <gjs278> pid matches
189 2011-04-16 01:38:41 <gjs278> 'echo test > /tmp/test.txt' timeout 30 second(s)
190 2011-04-16 01:41:23 <gjs278> cat /tmp/test.txt
191 2011-04-16 01:41:26 <gjs278> test
192 2011-04-16 01:41:31 <sacarlson> purplezky: I'm going to send you two coin on testnet for some of my testing if your still running
193 2011-04-16 01:41:39 <gjs278> restarting and then throwing computer out of window if that fails
194 2011-04-16 01:41:44 <kiba> dunno
195 2011-04-16 01:41:45 <kiba> why
196 2011-04-16 01:41:53 <kiba> my magazine's title is aligned to the right
197 2011-04-16 01:41:55 <kiba> http://bitcoinweekly.com/
198 2011-04-16 01:43:42 <gjs278> change it to left
199 2011-04-16 01:43:44 <gjs278> and it will be centered
200 2011-04-16 01:44:08 <gjs278> because
201 2011-04-16 01:44:09 <gjs278> you didn't clear
202 2011-04-16 01:44:11 <gjs278> your float
203 2011-04-16 01:44:12 <gjs278> on the li's
204 2011-04-16 01:44:15 <gjs278> boom roasted
205 2011-04-16 01:44:28 <purplezky> sacarlson: sure
206 2011-04-16 01:44:41 <gjs278> after div id nav just do <div style="clear:both;"></div>
207 2011-04-16 01:44:45 <gjs278> and then you'll be fine
208 2011-04-16 01:44:55 <gjs278> right now it's lining itself against the edge of your float though
209 2011-04-16 01:45:03 <sacarlson> purplezky: ok now sent
210 2011-04-16 01:45:21 <gjs278> highlighting kiba so he can read this
211 2011-04-16 01:45:58 <kiba> fixed
212 2011-04-16 01:46:13 <kiba> and independently discover it too
213 2011-04-16 01:46:21 <gjs278> did you update it?
214 2011-04-16 01:46:21 <purplezky> i can see the transaction
215 2011-04-16 01:46:25 <gjs278> I still get righty
216 2011-04-16 01:46:41 <kiba> about to update it
217 2011-04-16 01:47:58 <gjs278> http://bitcoinweekly.com/articles pad these
218 2011-04-16 01:48:10 <gjs278> text touching border is aids for my eyes
219 2011-04-16 01:53:04 <kiba> gjs278: gottach...
220 2011-04-16 02:03:52 <gjs278> I give up
221 2011-04-16 02:03:58 <gjs278> if anyone else can get it to run in monit
222 2011-04-16 02:03:59 <gjs278> let me know
223 2011-04-16 02:05:10 <kiba> I got a promotional success!
224 2011-04-16 02:05:19 <kiba> gjs278: give up what?
225 2011-04-16 02:05:27 <gjs278> on making bitcoind start with monit
226 2011-04-16 02:05:43 <gjs278> execution fails everytime
227 2011-04-16 02:05:51 <gjs278> I've made the binary completely owned by monit
228 2011-04-16 02:05:54 <gjs278> I've started it as root
229 2011-04-16 02:06:00 <gjs278> I've made the binary 777
230 2011-04-16 02:06:03 <gjs278> I put it somewhere else
231 2011-04-16 02:06:04 <gjs278> renamed it
232 2011-04-16 02:06:07 <gjs278> bash script started it
233 2011-04-16 02:15:25 <purplezky> join #bitcoin
234 2011-04-16 02:19:15 <gjs278> done
235 2011-04-16 02:23:50 <jgarzik> MoneyLaundering.com's article on bitcoin: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=5907.0
236 2011-04-16 02:37:14 <noagendamarket> thanks jgarzik
237 2011-04-16 02:37:22 <noagendamarket> interesting read there
238 2011-04-16 02:38:01 <noagendamarket> I like how they say bitcoin "could" do this aND IT "COULD" DO THAT
239 2011-04-16 02:41:54 <Jkessler> i'm running windows 7 home premium 64 sp1, radeon hd 5770, 4 gb ram.  I run the mystify screensaver every 2 mins my machine is idle for my tv and since in installed the latest bitcoin client it crashes when it goes to screensaver.  is this known?
240 2011-04-16 02:52:33 <gjs278> try just having the monitor turn off
241 2011-04-16 02:53:52 <Jkessler> lol
242 2011-04-16 02:53:55 <Jkessler> i will
243 2011-04-16 02:54:08 <Jkessler> it just looks better when customers come in
244 2011-04-16 02:54:24 <B0g4r7> "it crashes" -- what crashes?  bitcoind?
245 2011-04-16 02:54:33 <Jkessler> no the mystify screensaver
246 2011-04-16 02:54:44 <Jkessler> "the application mystify has stopped responding"
247 2011-04-16 02:55:24 <B0g4r7> Why do you think bitcoin causes that?
248 2011-04-16 02:55:31 <Jkessler> not sure
249 2011-04-16 02:55:34 <Jkessler> err
250 2011-04-16 02:56:03 <B0g4r7> To rephrase, what logic do you use to conclude that bitcoin is the cause of the screensaver not working?
251 2011-04-16 02:56:28 <Jkessler> doesn't bitcoin use gpu to generate coins?   and it's the most recent thing i installed
252 2011-04-16 02:56:41 <B0g4r7> No.
253 2011-04-16 02:56:44 <Jkessler> just wondering if there was an issue
254 2011-04-16 02:56:46 <B0g4r7> Not bitcoin.exe.
255 2011-04-16 02:57:20 <B0g4r7> The generator in bitcoin.exe uses the cpu(s) only.
256 2011-04-16 02:57:55 <Jkessler> oh ok
257 2011-04-16 03:07:40 <noagendamarket> http://www.griffinteam.net/cms/?page_id=37   LAWL Mt Box!!!
258 2011-04-16 03:10:29 <kiba> noagendamarket: I propose we rename mtgox.com to mtgrok.com
259 2011-04-16 03:10:37 <kiba> get it? Mount Grok?
260 2011-04-16 03:10:42 <noagendamarket> :)-
261 2011-04-16 03:10:46 <kiba> the mountain of understanding!
262 2011-04-16 03:10:50 <luke-jr> noagendamarket: doesn't support USB 3
263 2011-04-16 03:21:30 <DavidSJ> join #bitcoin-discussion
264 2011-04-16 03:21:33 <DavidSJ> oops
265 2011-04-16 03:22:52 <gjs278> ohhh
266 2011-04-16 03:22:54 <gjs278> now I get it
267 2011-04-16 03:22:58 <gjs278> he wasnt telling us to join #bitcoin
268 2011-04-16 03:23:01 <gjs278> he was trying to do it
269 2011-04-16 03:23:17 <gjs278> purplezky you owe me 5 seconds of my life back
270 2011-04-16 03:23:24 <gjs278> I thought something was actually happening in #bitcoin
271 2011-04-16 03:24:32 <gjs278> I got the monit to work
272 2011-04-16 03:24:36 <gjs278> you have to manually set datadir
273 2011-04-16 03:24:44 <gjs278> it does not care what user you run it as
274 2011-04-16 03:24:50 <gjs278> it tries
275 2011-04-16 03:24:54 <gjs278> /.bitcoin/bitcoin.conf
276 2011-04-16 03:24:56 <gjs278> every time
277 2011-04-16 03:24:58 <gjs278> no ~ or anything
278 2011-04-16 03:25:11 <gjs278> I guess because $HOME isn't set for monit or someting dumb
279 2011-04-16 03:25:22 <gjs278> either way, set datadir, monit works
280 2011-04-16 03:26:45 <SykeP> can monit tell when bitcoind goes non-responsive?
281 2011-04-16 03:28:13 <gjs278> yes
282 2011-04-16 03:28:20 <gjs278> because he it can check the port that the json is on
283 2011-04-16 03:28:21 <gjs278> 8332
284 2011-04-16 03:28:28 <gjs278> and if it doesn't respond, stop bitcoind, restart
285 2011-04-16 03:28:39 <gjs278> that's why it's perfect for this
286 2011-04-16 03:29:00 <SykeP> nice
287 2011-04-16 03:30:05 <gjs278> I just killed bitcoind, checking to see if it picks that up. then I have to set the port to 8333 and see if it can detect that 8332 is down
288 2011-04-16 03:32:59 <gjs278> caught the kill, time to port change
289 2011-04-16 03:35:50 <gjs278> caught the port change
290 2011-04-16 03:41:23 <gjs278> http://www.garyshood.com/bitcoin/monitrc is the valid config if any pool owners want to prevent bitcoind from going down
291 2011-04-16 03:41:27 <gjs278> well
292 2011-04-16 03:41:29 <gjs278> not prevent
293 2011-04-16 03:41:34 <gjs278> but catch it and auto restart at least
294 2011-04-16 03:41:42 <gjs278> only have to update datadir to match what you want
295 2011-04-16 03:45:20 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.09,"low":0.9503,"vol":25127,"buy":1.05,"sell":1.057,"last":1.0383}}
296 2011-04-16 03:45:20 <JFK911> ;;bc,mtgox
297 2011-04-16 04:12:37 <gjs278> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=5911.msg87113 guide here for monit
298 2011-04-16 04:55:28 <phantomcircuit> so i had a thought
299 2011-04-16 04:55:32 <gjs278> let's hear it
300 2011-04-16 04:56:30 <phantomcircuit> instead of signing the transactions like that
301 2011-04-16 04:57:05 <phantomcircuit> why not just sign the transaction hash and the transaction index
302 2011-04-16 04:58:03 <phantomcircuit> you have no idea what im talking about do you
303 2011-04-16 04:59:41 <gjs278> patches are welcome!!!!
304 2011-04-16 05:00:47 <phantomcircuit> is that a no?
305 2011-04-16 05:02:04 <gjs278> I don't want to lie to you
306 2011-04-16 05:42:46 <dbitcoin> ;;bc,stats
307 2011-04-16 05:42:48 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118614 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 329 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 23 hours, 25 minutes, and 51 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 92052.67719741
308 2011-04-16 06:44:33 <CIA-89> bitcoin: genjix * r4368aa0da9bb intersango/deposit.php: corrected typo in bank name. http://tinyurl.com/3v6j62f
309 2011-04-16 06:59:28 <BlueMatt> witten: pign
310 2011-04-16 07:03:45 <BlueMatt> can anyone else get bitcoin to segfault when you block all incoming packets via iptables and run bitcoin with upnp enabled?
311 2011-04-16 07:04:51 <lfm> ??quit brb
312 2011-04-16 07:06:01 <lfm> block incoming packets? or incoming connections?
313 2011-04-16 07:08:23 <BlueMatt> packets
314 2011-04-16 07:08:28 <BlueMatt> iptables -A INPUT -j DROP
315 2011-04-16 07:09:22 <lfm> if you drop all incomming packets then you are totally cut off from the net
316 2011-04-16 07:09:36 <BlueMatt> yea and apparently that makes bitcoin segfault
317 2011-04-16 07:09:40 <BlueMatt> (with upnp enabled)
318 2011-04-16 07:10:38 <lfm> well I spoze it shouldnt really segfault but I am not gonna take any of my machines offa the net
319 2011-04-16 07:11:06 <BlueMatt> not for 10 secs to test?
320 2011-04-16 07:11:50 <lfm> I dont have that version of bitcoin yet anyway
321 2011-04-16 07:11:56 <gjs278> can't wait until someone tries that on their ssh hosting
322 2011-04-16 07:13:08 <lfm> i think that iptables command is for incoming connections anyway isnt it? no all packets?
323 2011-04-16 07:13:17 <sipa> where do i download miniupnp?
324 2011-04-16 07:13:22 <sipa> or what version do i need?
325 2011-04-16 07:13:44 <gjs278> if you do iptables -A INPUT -j DROP you will definitely drop
326 2011-04-16 07:13:44 <lfm> does it tell you in build-unix.txt?
327 2011-04-16 07:14:01 <gjs278> http://miniupnp.tuxfamily.org/files/
328 2011-04-16 07:14:02 <sipa> oh, nice
329 2011-04-16 07:14:06 <gjs278> go with whatever version
330 2011-04-16 07:14:17 <gjs278> 1.5 is mine
331 2011-04-16 07:15:05 <BlueMatt> 1.5 to build unix/osx nightly binary to build win32
332 2011-04-16 07:15:22 <BlueMatt> nightly binary has a different mapport command so it wont work on the unix/osx bitcoin
333 2011-04-16 07:15:45 <BlueMatt> lfm: iptables -A INPUT is for incoming packets, iptables -A OUTPUT would be outgoing connections
334 2011-04-16 07:16:02 <BlueMatt> anyway if you need a upnp build to test with try http://bitcoin.bluematt.me/bitcoin-nightly/
335 2011-04-16 07:16:18 <sipa> i'll build it myself
336 2011-04-16 07:16:30 <BlueMatt> as I still cant reproduce witten's bug and its bugging me (no pun intended)
337 2011-04-16 07:18:24 <gjs278> didnt you just get 100 coins for explaining the windows build process
338 2011-04-16 07:18:28 <gjs278> you should be on vacation
339 2011-04-16 07:18:34 <sipa> In file included from net.cpp:10:
340 2011-04-16 07:19:18 <BlueMatt> gjs278: yep :)
341 2011-04-16 07:19:34 <gjs278> such a ridiculous process
342 2011-04-16 07:19:54 <BlueMatt> yea it is, but hell linking a bunch of download links for 100BTC is kinda nice :)
343 2011-04-16 07:20:07 <gjs278> yeah
344 2011-04-16 07:20:12 <BlueMatt> sipa: not sure...but miniupnp built fine?
345 2011-04-16 07:20:17 <sipa> yes
346 2011-04-16 07:20:28 <sipa> and /usr/include/miniupnpc exists with some files in it
347 2011-04-16 07:20:42 <BlueMatt> Im assuming it has portlistingparse.h in it?
348 2011-04-16 07:20:55 <BlueMatt> no, nvm shouldnt
349 2011-04-16 07:20:57 <sipa> no, otherwise i wouldn't get that error
350 2011-04-16 07:21:15 <BlueMatt> mine doesnt either and I dont get an error...
351 2011-04-16 07:21:45 <BlueMatt> sipa: are you using 1.5 stable?
352 2011-04-16 07:22:07 <sipa> miniupnpc-1.5.20110314.tar.gz
353 2011-04-16 07:22:13 <BlueMatt> try 1.5 stable
354 2011-04-16 07:22:29 <BlueMatt> bitcoin will only build with the nightles on win32 as the command changed after 1.5 stable
355 2011-04-16 07:22:29 <sipa> oh right, there is another 1.5 download
356 2011-04-16 07:22:55 <BlueMatt> and I only did that because I couldnt get miniupnpc to build 1.5 stable on win32
357 2011-04-16 07:23:25 <sipa> ok, seems to build fine now
358 2011-04-16 07:26:50 <sipa> BlueMatt: so, what do i do to test?
359 2011-04-16 07:27:00 <sipa> BlueMatt: enable upnp and then drop all packets?
360 2011-04-16 07:27:17 <BlueMatt> yea
361 2011-04-16 07:27:29 <BlueMatt> or drop all packets before you enable upnp
362 2011-04-16 07:30:42 <sipa> seems to work fine
363 2011-04-16 07:31:04 <sipa> i do get this error:
364 2011-04-16 07:31:06 <sipa> sendto: Operation not permitted
365 2011-04-16 07:32:42 <BlueMatt> in debug.log?
366 2011-04-16 07:35:16 <sipa> no, on the command line
367 2011-04-16 07:35:22 <sipa> *terminal
368 2011-04-16 07:36:04 <BlueMatt> did you add an outgoing block as well?
369 2011-04-16 07:36:46 <sipa> i only added outgoing block
370 2011-04-16 07:37:55 <BlueMatt> well that makes no sense
371 2011-04-16 07:38:13 <BlueMatt> you have som odd permissions error there...do you get that without iptables messing with your packets?
372 2011-04-16 07:38:24 <sipa> no
373 2011-04-16 07:38:54 <sipa> second
374 2011-04-16 07:39:39 <sipa> using -j DROP does the same
375 2011-04-16 07:40:10 <BlueMatt> that makes absolutely no sense
376 2011-04-16 07:40:27 <BlueMatt> screw it try running bitcoin as root?
377 2011-04-16 07:42:33 <sipa> same error...
378 2011-04-16 07:42:56 <sipa> i'll try to find the code that causes that error
379 2011-04-16 07:44:15 <BlueMatt> sipa: wait so you get no errors normally but just running iptables -A INPUT -j DROP and all of a sudden you get "sendto: Operation not permitted"?
380 2011-04-16 07:44:52 <sipa> BlueMatt: exactly
381 2011-04-16 07:44:59 <BlueMatt> wtf
382 2011-04-16 07:46:39 <sipa> i can't find it with gdb :S
383 2011-04-16 07:47:21 <BlueMatt> iptables should give you a sendto error though, especially not if you are just blocking incoming packets and not outgoing
384 2011-04-16 07:47:30 <BlueMatt> s/should/shouldnt/
385 2011-04-16 07:49:30 <sipa> indeed
386 2011-04-16 08:04:59 <sacarlson> I know my C++ skills suck but why does this work;  strlen(mapArgs["-genesisblock"].c_str())  and this not;  mapArgs.count["-genesisblock"] ;
387 2011-04-16 08:06:02 <sacarlson> won't this mapArgs.count["-genesisblock"]  just tell me how many arguments exist in like interger or something?
388 2011-04-16 08:09:57 <sipa> count is a function, not an array
389 2011-04-16 08:10:07 <sipa> so it's mapArgs.count("-genesisblock")
390 2011-04-16 08:10:46 <ArtForz> and they're not equivalent
391 2011-04-16 08:11:55 <sacarlson> sipa: oh cool I can't beleave I missed that
392 2011-04-16 08:11:59 <ArtForz> second one accepts a -genesisblock without value
393 2011-04-16 08:12:30 <sacarlson> sipa:  that's what I get for having bad eye site
394 2011-04-16 08:19:37 <necrodearia> I can't reproduce this, but this happened: http://pastebin.com/umcicDDJ
395 2011-04-16 08:20:22 <necrodearia> It may be from two events happening simultaneously.
396 2011-04-16 08:20:32 <necrodearia> One of which I have no idea
397 2011-04-16 08:21:26 <necrodearia> Although perhaps it's not an issue with bitcoind?
398 2011-04-16 08:21:58 <sipa> that's definitely a bug
399 2011-04-16 08:22:06 <sipa> oh
400 2011-04-16 08:22:08 <sipa> bash
401 2011-04-16 08:22:25 <sipa> ... bug in bash? :s
402 2011-04-16 08:22:34 <necrodearia> heh
403 2011-04-16 08:25:10 <necrodearia> <geirha> necrodearia: Obviously a bug in bitcoin. It's free()ing somehting twice
404 2011-04-16 08:26:14 <sipa> from that bug report, it is bash that is doing a double free()
405 2011-04-16 08:27:10 <necrodearia> <geirha> Oh, crap, the stack trace is from bash
406 2011-04-16 09:12:55 <sacarlson> ok new problem with this  block.nTime   = ToUInt32(mapArgs["-block_nTime"]);  error: ToUInt32 was not declared in this scope
407 2011-04-16 09:13:14 <sacarlson> is there a function that I can use to convert the string to a uint32?
408 2011-04-16 09:14:28 <sipa> atoi
409 2011-04-16 09:20:20 <sacarlson> sipa:  I was looking at that as a posibility and also this int myInt = atoi(my_cpp_string.c_str());  I'll try atoi first
410 2011-04-16 09:21:09 <sipa> ...?
411 2011-04-16 09:23:41 <blablaa> sacarlson, u're programming in c++? there is a c++-style way to do atoi().
412 2011-04-16 09:24:13 <sacarlson> blablaa: well the atoi seemed to work ok
413 2011-04-16 09:24:46 <sacarlson> blablaa: but I'm open if it might have some advantage
414 2011-04-16 09:25:02 <mtrlt> the "proper" way to do that in c++ is to use stringstreams
415 2011-04-16 09:25:24 <sacarlson> mtrlt: and an example might be?
416 2011-04-16 09:25:26 <blablaa> sacarlson, the advantage is you can go around saying you know c++
417 2011-04-16 09:25:37 <sipa> http://cplusplus.com/forum/articles/9645/
418 2011-04-16 09:26:12 <sacarlson> well as you might have noticed I don't know c++ any farther than I can throw it
419 2011-04-16 09:26:20 <mtrlt> sabalaba: look at sipa's link :)
420 2011-04-16 09:27:05 <sabalaba> mtrlt, why is that?
421 2011-04-16 09:27:23 <sabalaba> oh, you must have meant sacarl-- :)
422 2011-04-16 09:27:33 <sabalaba> sacarlson, look at sipa's link!
423 2011-04-16 09:27:39 <mtrlt> whopa
424 2011-04-16 09:27:41 <mtrlt> whops :D
425 2011-04-16 09:27:57 <sacarlson> sabalaba: yes I am reading it now thanks sipa
426 2011-04-16 09:27:58 <mtrlt> i just wrote sa and <tab>
427 2011-04-16 09:28:38 <sabalaba> yea, np :)
428 2011-04-16 09:42:09 <sacarlson> sipa: ok I used your c++ method that also seems to work but took like 3 lines of code in the place of atoi but must have it's advantages
429 2011-04-16 09:52:54 <necrodearia> Make monies here --> http://free.witcoin.com/p/1124/No-cost-to-post-reply-or-edit-in-this-category
430 2011-04-16 10:10:35 <Fullbring> hy, is genjix there ?
431 2011-04-16 10:11:12 <Fullbring> or anyone in charge ?
432 2011-04-16 10:11:47 <BlueMatt> Fullbring: ask a question, as there really isnt anyone "in charge" though maybe you want gavinandresen or jgarzik?
433 2011-04-16 10:11:59 <ducki2p> the bitcoin board of directors is out for drinks, please leave a message
434 2011-04-16 10:12:12 <Fullbring> :D
435 2011-04-16 10:13:08 <Fullbring> i thought about speaking with satoshi, we were hanging on the same forum, lp.net and i wanted to offer my help for the french part of this project
436 2011-04-16 10:14:13 <BlueMatt> satoshi doesnt post on the forum anymore, dont think he ever got on the irc
437 2011-04-16 10:14:19 <Diablo-D3> heh, like they'red be a bitcoin board of directors =P
438 2011-04-16 10:14:30 <BlueMatt> just by email to the project leads now
439 2011-04-16 10:15:02 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: have you listened to gavin on econtalk?
440 2011-04-16 10:15:16 <BlueMatt> Fullbring: in any case, to translation patches are always welcome
441 2011-04-16 10:15:39 <BlueMatt> though there already is a french port...have you tried it?
442 2011-04-16 10:16:10 <BlueMatt> look in locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/bitcoin.po
443 2011-04-16 10:17:18 <Fullbring> yes i was thinking about the translation patches coz there is some mistakes
444 2011-04-16 10:18:17 <BlueMatt> Fullbring: ok, make the necessary changes in bitcoin.po and post a diff
445 2011-04-16 10:18:21 <Fullbring> im at work atm so i cannot really start working on it, but ill be back on irc later
446 2011-04-16 10:18:47 <BlueMatt> work on saturday, sucks, oh well we'll be here when you are ready :)
447 2011-04-16 10:19:24 <Fullbring> yeah ^^ university during the week and working on we yey !
448 2011-04-16 10:19:36 <BlueMatt> oh, sucks either way...have fun
449 2011-04-16 10:21:03 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: no, why?
450 2011-04-16 10:22:06 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: he talks about bitcoin backing and how business non-tech folks want some kind of backing + if the project grows what might be necessary from the perspective of a bitcoin org
451 2011-04-16 10:23:52 <Fullbring> i still dont really compute, if the number of bc is limited to 21M the whole system is limited isnt it ?
452 2011-04-16 10:24:27 <Fullbring> and the fundamental principe of a currency is that it has to be available for everybody
453 2011-04-16 10:24:32 <BlueMatt> Fullbring: the total amount of bitcoin in existence will approach 21 M
454 2011-04-16 10:24:34 <Fullbring> so i must be wrong lol
455 2011-04-16 10:24:37 <BlueMatt> never actaully reaching
456 2011-04-16 10:24:53 <BlueMatt> nope thats the way it works
457 2011-04-16 10:25:21 <BlueMatt> bitcoin is still available for people, even if the total is limited
458 2011-04-16 10:25:31 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: well, what would be REALLY interesting is a gold fund
459 2011-04-16 10:25:31 <krytzz> Fullbring: you can divide bitcoins so the amount is no problem
460 2011-04-16 10:25:38 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: where shares are bought and sold using btc
461 2011-04-16 10:26:04 <Fullbring> oh ok
462 2011-04-16 10:26:18 <Fullbring> Sorry french faq isnt really complete
463 2011-04-16 10:26:28 <krytzz> help translation :)
464 2011-04-16 10:26:37 <BlueMatt> its not like current currencies are given out to everyone
465 2011-04-16 10:26:37 <Fullbring> thats what i offer to do
466 2011-04-16 10:26:45 <BlueMatt> krytzz: scroll up
467 2011-04-16 10:27:15 <krytzz> ah, just started reading
468 2011-04-16 10:27:24 <Fullbring> in theory yes they are ^^
469 2011-04-16 10:27:40 <Fullbring> but this whole project is really interesting
470 2011-04-16 10:27:50 <sacarlson> can I change this to a name or must it be an ip address in irc.cpp line 275: CAddress addrConnect("92.243.23.21:6667"); // irc.lfnet.org
471 2011-04-16 10:27:51 <Fullbring> Lp wasnt this much enthusiast at all
472 2011-04-16 10:27:56 <BlueMatt> Fullbring: in reality, not so much
473 2011-04-16 10:27:59 <Fullbring> allways pessimist withs those kind of stuff
474 2011-04-16 10:28:46 <BlueMatt> sacarlson: you could change it to a dns lookup to get the ip then pass it...
475 2011-04-16 10:28:50 <Fullbring> @BlueMatt yep definitly
476 2011-04-16 10:29:17 <sacarlson> BlueMatt: pass it?
477 2011-04-16 10:29:46 <BlueMatt> sacarlson: convert it to a string, add the ":6667" and then put it in the place of the constant ip
478 2011-04-16 10:30:06 <BlueMatt> ie pass it to whatever function it is currently passing
479 2011-04-16 10:30:08 <sacarlson> BlueMatt: ok cool thanks
480 2011-04-16 10:32:07 <sacarlson> BlueMatt: oh wait you mean this function won't do the dns for me I have to do it before this point?
481 2011-04-16 10:32:34 <BlueMatt> afaik CAddress does no dns-related stuff
482 2011-04-16 10:32:52 <sacarlson> BlueMatt: ok good enuf
483 2011-04-16 10:33:28 <sacarlson> BlueMatt: since my irc network uses a dynamic address I can't put an ip in here
484 2011-04-16 10:33:54 <BlueMatt> getaddrinfo
485 2011-04-16 10:34:15 <BlueMatt> or gethostbyname
486 2011-04-16 10:36:58 <sacarlson> BlueMatt: seems that's what it does bellow that with  struct hostent* phostent = gethostbyname("irc.lfnet.org");
487 2011-04-16 10:37:36 <Fullbring> lol at putting a subcategorie psychoactive drugs !!
488 2011-04-16 10:37:38 <Fullbring> xD
489 2011-04-16 10:37:40 <sacarlson> BlueMatt: so I guess those lines bellow will override the ip address anyway
490 2011-04-16 10:39:14 <BlueMatt> sacarlson: seems like it...odd that the ip is still there and that it doesnt use dns if you are using tor...
491 2011-04-16 10:39:58 <sacarlson> BlueMatt: I"m not sure what tor is somekind of a proxy I think?
492 2011-04-16 10:40:14 <BlueMatt> yea it is
493 2011-04-16 10:40:21 <BlueMatt> its an anonymous network
494 2011-04-16 10:40:26 <BlueMatt> the onion router
495 2011-04-16 10:40:35 <BlueMatt> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOR
496 2011-04-16 10:40:55 <sacarlson> BlueMatt: oh ya I read a bit on it before no I don't use that so maybe I'll just add the same dns they have bellow for not using tor
497 2011-04-16 10:44:08 <BlueMatt> I suppose its a anonymity problem if you use dns while you are trying to connect through tor
498 2011-04-16 10:50:38 <sacarlson> BlueMatt: well from looking at it a bit at this point it might just be easier for me to use tor than to try to fix this and just make the address changeable in tor with the config file change
499 2011-04-16 10:52:11 <sacarlson> BlueMatt: I'm just making it so you can create custom coins with just changes in the bitcoin.conf file
500 2011-04-16 10:52:27 <BlueMatt> sacarlson: you mean seperate networks?
501 2011-04-16 10:52:34 <sacarlson> BlueMatt: yes
502 2011-04-16 10:53:08 <sacarlson> BlueMatt: I basicly made another testnet on another network
503 2011-04-16 10:53:27 <BlueMatt> sacarlson: then all you need to do is change the irc address/name, default port (to make sure no nodes get confused, though I suppose not strictly necessary), and the static nodes + static dns nodes
504 2011-04-16 10:53:30 <BlueMatt> (fallback nodes)
505 2011-04-16 10:54:41 <sacarlson> BlueMatt: I also create a new genesisblock
506 2011-04-16 10:54:48 <BlueMatt> oh yea that too
507 2011-04-16 10:56:31 <sacarlson> BlueMatt: block_nTime and block_nNonce  are also added to the bitcoin config and I will also add the working directory but I think that's already done
508 2011-04-16 10:57:32 <Fullbring> But i dont get it, the price are gonna constantly fluctuate as long as the bc are gonna be divided in smaller parts for having more and more users no ?
509 2011-04-16 10:57:55 <sacarlson> BlueMatt: ya that a good idea I'll add the port address if that's not already a part of the options
510 2011-04-16 10:58:52 <sacarlson> Fullbring: is that question for me?
511 2011-04-16 10:59:16 <BlueMatt> sacarlson: see my/gavin's portoption branch
512 2011-04-16 10:59:17 <BlueMatt> es
513 2011-04-16 10:59:44 <sacarlson> BlueMatt: what's the date I assume it's in the git
514 2011-04-16 11:00:15 <Fullbring> its a question for anyones who has the answer
515 2011-04-16 11:00:29 <BlueMatt> https://github.com/TheBlueMatt/bitcoin/tree/portoption
516 2011-04-16 11:00:41 <BlueMatt> just the last 2 commits there
517 2011-04-16 11:01:02 <BlueMatt> Fullbring: if it catches on, yea
518 2011-04-16 11:01:14 <jaromil> genjix: FYI https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/162
519 2011-04-16 11:03:42 <Fullbring> i think this will be the pb of this currency a manuel adjustement of all the prices from each retailer will be quite exhausting imo
520 2011-04-16 11:04:23 <BlueMatt> Fullbring: the value will stabilize as the market grows
521 2011-04-16 11:04:49 <BlueMatt> Fullbring: or the price will be auto-adjusted for exchange rate
522 2011-04-16 11:05:04 <Fullbring> yes this is already in place ?
523 2011-04-16 11:05:22 <Fullbring> i mean there already is a system wich auto adjust them ?
524 2011-04-16 11:05:24 <BlueMatt> most btc-accepting sites already do that
525 2011-04-16 11:05:37 <Fullbring> hum ok
526 2011-04-16 11:05:38 <BlueMatt> based on mtg ex rate
527 2011-04-16 11:05:50 <Fullbring> mtg ?
528 2011-04-16 11:05:54 <BlueMatt> mtgox
529 2011-04-16 11:06:57 <Fullbring> so bitcoin will always need an etalon such as gold or dollar
530 2011-04-16 11:07:36 <Blitzboom> no
531 2011-04-16 11:08:02 <Fullbring> ...
532 2011-04-16 11:08:16 <Blitzboom> why measure in dollar or gold if you can buy what you need with bitcoin?
533 2011-04-16 11:08:23 <BlueMatt> depends on how you see bitcoin, IMHO it will...others say bitcoin will become THE currency
534 2011-04-16 11:08:39 <Fullbring> lol its not that easy blitzboom
535 2011-04-16 11:08:53 <Blitzboom> you said "it will always need" as a matter of fact
536 2011-04-16 11:09:01 <Blitzboom> which is not true, as it is just a currency
537 2011-04-16 11:09:05 <Fullbring> no no i wasnt stated
538 2011-04-16 11:09:13 <Fullbring> im thinking outloud
539 2011-04-16 11:09:26 <Fullbring> all this sytem is quiet new for me
540 2011-04-16 11:10:06 <Fullbring> you'll need a parallel
541 2011-04-16 11:10:16 <Fullbring> with your money
542 2011-04-16 11:10:23 <Fullbring> for evaluate his value
543 2011-04-16 11:10:31 <Fullbring> in comparaison to real goods itself
544 2011-04-16 11:10:57 <Fullbring> im mean in a longterm
545 2011-04-16 11:11:16 <Fullbring> maybe you'll be able to get rid off this way of thinking
546 2011-04-16 11:11:24 <BlueMatt> yea, but usd doesnt have constant vale either so...
547 2011-04-16 11:11:25 <Fullbring> but as long as there will be othere important
548 2011-04-16 11:11:26 <Blitzboom> basket of goods?
549 2011-04-16 11:11:26 <Fullbring> curerncy
550 2011-04-16 11:11:29 <Fullbring> you will ahve to do this
551 2011-04-16 11:11:52 <Fullbring> no and thats the main problem of actual currency
552 2011-04-16 11:11:56 <Blitzboom> BlueMatt: it varies in the short term and decreases in the long term, yeah
553 2011-04-16 11:12:00 <Fullbring> and thats why this project is really interesting
554 2011-04-16 11:12:02 <Blitzboom> bitcoin should be the opposite
555 2011-04-16 11:12:15 <Blitzboom> and is so far
556 2011-04-16 11:12:29 <Blitzboom> although thats mostly due to speculation atm
557 2011-04-16 11:12:53 <Fullbring> but as long as you will have a shitload of people making tons of moneys with forex, i dont really see how this will be possible to get rid of other currencys ^^
558 2011-04-16 11:12:59 <Fullbring> yes it is
559 2011-04-16 11:14:08 <Blitzboom> well only get rid of them if you can practically pay everything with bitcoin
560 2011-04-16 11:14:15 <gasteve> jaromil: I did a similar thing (using autotools, but that was only out of necessity...I was reorging the source code to make it easier to work with):  http://github.com/gasteve/bitcoin  (autotools is building both bicoin and bitcoind ...but I only worked on the OSX build)
561 2011-04-16 11:14:28 <Blitzboom> which would be really great, because it would make everything much easier and without transaction costs
562 2011-04-16 11:14:36 <Fullbring> oh i wich this could be such easy
563 2011-04-16 11:14:42 <gasteve> build, I didn't both asking for a pull ;)
564 2011-04-16 11:14:46 <gasteve> *bother
565 2011-04-16 11:18:15 <jaromil> gasteve: ACK. i am not testing on OSX since i don't have an apple machine ATM but will ask friends and will have a look at your branch
566 2011-04-16 11:18:37 <jaromil> this is just a start for me, i intend to separate all code: UI from daemon from CLI
567 2011-04-16 11:19:00 <jaromil> then make sure cli and daemon are cross compilable, then make a shared library
568 2011-04-16 11:19:18 <jaromil> i guess it won't take long since the code is not much and easy to find a way through
569 2011-04-16 11:19:53 <gasteve> I have similar aims...I'm looking at options to add a few unit test at the moment
570 2011-04-16 11:20:14 <Fullbring> it will at best be a great alternative but never be the only currency imo
571 2011-04-16 11:22:57 <jrabbit> if you don't bastardize it too much it should cross compile anywhere....
572 2011-04-16 11:26:10 <BlueMatt> btw has anyone tried to compile bitcoin win32 under linux with mingw?
573 2011-04-16 11:28:19 <gasteve> BlueMatt: what would you want to torture yourself like that?
574 2011-04-16 11:28:23 <gasteve> *why
575 2011-04-16 11:28:39 <BlueMatt> because one doesnt want to boot up a vm just to compile bitcoin for win32?
576 2011-04-16 11:28:54 <BlueMatt> virtually all of the devs use linux anyway
577 2011-04-16 11:29:18 <gasteve> ah...so you don't have to torture yourself by running windows  ...I get it ;)
578 2011-04-16 11:30:02 <gasteve> even if you did that, I think you'd want to run Windows to test it anyway
579 2011-04-16 11:30:21 <gasteve> (especially when there are unit tests available to run)
580 2011-04-16 11:32:57 <jaromil> gasteve: if you like to work on the same branch i'm very much in favour of test units
581 2011-04-16 11:33:33 <jaromil> else i'll cherry pick from your branches, but due to the directory reorg i doubt it can work smoothly to merge
582 2011-04-16 11:33:50 <gasteve> well, the question there would be whether you want to adopt the source re-org that I did...or whether I would want to abandon that
583 2011-04-16 11:34:03 <jaromil> in general i'm following a violent approach for changes now rather than regret it later...
584 2011-04-16 11:34:15 <gasteve> :))
585 2011-04-16 11:34:18 <jaromil> the source doesn't needs much reorg
586 2011-04-16 11:34:28 <jaromil> in fact i did not change it almost at all
587 2011-04-16 11:34:41 <jaromil> just had to rename cryptopp/config.h into settings.h
588 2011-04-16 11:35:12 <gasteve> yes, I know... jgarzik's comments surprised me given how little actual reorg you did on the sources
589 2011-04-16 11:35:23 <jaromil> its an autotool *default* setup now with no touching of sources
590 2011-04-16 11:36:32 <jaromil> the only change to sources is the last commit, for the rest i just moved all in src/ as it is, no need for anything else. now looking at the flags it will be quite easy to satisfy most of them
591 2011-04-16 11:36:52 <jaromil> i plan to touch the sources but i guess that should be another pull req
592 2011-04-16 11:37:09 <gasteve> the main reason I separated out the classes like I did is that I want to have the ability to reuse classes individually to create different compilation artifacts (like a libwallet, libpeer, libminer, etc)
593 2011-04-16 11:37:35 <jaromil> gasteve: i'm all for that, that's why i've put libtool already
594 2011-04-16 11:37:44 <BlueMatt> yay supreme court is hearing a tech-related patent case :) and microsofts lawyering money is fighting against patents :)
595 2011-04-16 11:37:44 <jaromil> yet i think that should be a different pull req
596 2011-04-16 11:38:29 <gasteve> I'm brand new to autotools (so I didn't do anything with libtool...though I read a bit about it)...for me, autotools was all about getting the auto dependency capabilities
597 2011-04-16 11:38:47 <jaromil> as of req 162 i'm now done, asking friends for testing, will leave it as it is and hear other devs opinion
598 2011-04-16 11:38:48 <gasteve> (with a lot more files, dependencies are important)
599 2011-04-16 11:39:01 <jaromil> i'm using autotools since >10 years... at a time it was MUCH worst than now
600 2011-04-16 11:39:15 <jaromil> but then i'm also using normal Makefiles or even cmake for win32 cross
601 2011-04-16 11:39:25 <topi`_> jrabbit: the bitcoind cannot be compiled on big endian platforms because of bad endianness assumptions in the code :)
602 2011-04-16 11:39:33 <gasteve> ok...so, maybe I'll pull some of your autotools related work into my branch
603 2011-04-16 11:39:42 <jrabbit> topi`_: oh my.
604 2011-04-16 11:40:21 <jaromil> its not perfect but its a minimal approach so far and you can already break up in static libs
605 2011-04-16 11:40:26 <topi`_> gasteve: I assume you're interested in bitcoin for OSX? Have you looked at jgarzik's miner, did you get the sse2_x64 code to compile on OSX?
606 2011-04-16 11:40:40 <jaromil> see cryptopp is a static lib, gets linked inside bitcoind yet is static in the tree, i guess you'll like that for unit tests
607 2011-04-16 11:40:44 <topi`_> I compiled yasm, but there's an illegal absolute relocation that mach-o 64bit won't allow.
608 2011-04-16 11:41:03 <gasteve> I'm mining on ubuntu...so I haven't looked into mining on OSX
609 2011-04-16 11:41:23 <BlueMatt> topi`_: have you tried it in darwine?
610 2011-04-16 11:41:25 <topi`_> jaromil: we're having some lunch with the woman now, but if we invite you to eat at our place, do you have time?
611 2011-04-16 11:41:43 <topi`_> gasteve: do you know x86_64 assembler?
612 2011-04-16 11:41:51 <topi`_> that would be helpful, because I can't fix the yasm code myself
613 2011-04-16 11:43:17 <gasteve> topi`_: not really...I have studied the x86 instruction set before, but I was more interested in directly generating the machine code from sources than going through an assembler
614 2011-04-16 11:45:25 <jrabbit> BlueMatt: wtf does that have to do with illegal ASM
615 2011-04-16 11:45:49 <jrabbit> http://www.sowetanlive.co.za/news/2010/12/24/drunkest-driver-in-sa-arrested
616 2011-04-16 11:45:56 <BlueMatt> jrabbit: its not illegal its just yasm not letting it in the osx binaries (it compiles fine on linux/win32)
617 2011-04-16 11:46:15 <BlueMatt> some different binary restrictions on osx for some reason
618 2011-04-16 11:46:16 <jrabbit> oh
619 2011-04-16 11:46:25 <jrabbit> "Five boys as well as a woman who were also in the vehicle with 15 sheep, allegedly stolen from nearby farms, were also arrested."
620 2011-04-16 11:50:56 <Fullbring> gne?
621 2011-04-16 11:51:24 <gasteve> BlueMatt: speaking of patents...did you see this: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/04/patents-and-innovation.html
622 2011-04-16 11:52:19 <BlueMatt> gasteve: yea, really sad how messed up the system is
623 2011-04-16 11:54:31 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Laurent Bachelier * rd5538b219ca2 gentoo/net-p2p/ (7 files in 2 dirs): bitcoin ebuilds: distutils is not needed http://tinyurl.com/5trxc9x
624 2011-04-16 11:54:34 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Laurent Bachelier * refdc52be6ef6 gentoo/net-p2p/ (7 files in 2 dirs): bitcoin ebuilds: use EAPI 3 http://tinyurl.com/6aoqxnp
625 2011-04-16 11:54:37 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Laurent Bachelier * rcdc7af0ced1e gentoo/net-p2p/bitcoin/ (Manifest bitcoin-0.3.20.2.ebuild): Fix indentation http://tinyurl.com/6jq6lkg
626 2011-04-16 11:55:45 <jaromil> topi`_: i'm enslaved by gf for passover preps from now until monday :|
627 2011-04-16 11:56:02 <jaromil> thinking of which, need to go shop stuff. damn. bbl.
628 2011-04-16 11:56:37 <genjix> hey
629 2011-04-16 11:59:32 <CIA-89> bitcoin: genjix * rcfaedf4c0656 intersango/deposit.php: removed pokerstars deposit option. http://tinyurl.com/5upau95
630 2011-04-16 12:00:20 <topi`_> morning genjix
631 2011-04-16 12:00:40 <genjix> hey
632 2011-04-16 12:02:38 <genjix> http://www.liquidpoker.net/news/968460/U._S._Department_of_Justice_Seizes_Poker_Rooms_
633 2011-04-16 12:02:48 <genjix> big things happened today :(
634 2011-04-16 12:02:54 <Fullbring> yep
635 2011-04-16 12:02:57 <Fullbring> started yesterday
636 2011-04-16 12:03:20 <Fullbring> only dangerous for us player funds
637 2011-04-16 12:03:31 <Fullbring> they're not gonna be seized
638 2011-04-16 12:03:40 <Fullbring> only frozen during the time of the trial
639 2011-04-16 12:03:49 <genjix> 1/3 of all my money is spread over poker sites, 1/3 lent to people and 1/3 in sister's bank... :(
640 2011-04-16 12:03:52 <Fullbring> if you havent alerady cashout
641 2011-04-16 12:04:04 <genjix> i tried to cash out
642 2011-04-16 12:04:10 <Fullbring> be patient
643 2011-04-16 12:04:20 <Fullbring> you've moved up in stakes ?
644 2011-04-16 12:04:22 <BlueMatt> why your sister's bank, why not your own?
645 2011-04-16 12:04:42 <genjix> complicated
646 2011-04-16 12:04:53 <lfm> your sister has a bank!? cool
647 2011-04-16 12:04:54 <Fullbring> when you left lp you were playing nl10
648 2011-04-16 12:04:59 <jrabbit> genjix: Do you think the US can be sued for seizure of foreign citizen's funds?
649 2011-04-16 12:05:09 <BlueMatt> jrabbit: yea right
650 2011-04-16 12:05:14 <genjix> no idea... world police.
651 2011-04-16 12:05:21 <jrabbit> its a legitimate question lol
652 2011-04-16 12:05:40 <BlueMatt> no, afaik, us law only cares about us citizens
653 2011-04-16 12:05:41 <jrabbit> just because they were the custodians of the funds doesn't mean they own them
654 2011-04-16 12:05:52 <lfm> of course you can always sue, winning might be slightly harder
655 2011-04-16 12:05:53 <BlueMatt> IIRC the constitution only says us citizens can sue the us govt
656 2011-04-16 12:05:56 <jrabbit> BlueMatt: I didn't say if the US would processute it self....
657 2011-04-16 12:05:58 <genjix> around ~3k capital that I had for starting a bitcoin foundation.
658 2011-04-16 12:06:09 <genjix> seriously fuck them.
659 2011-04-16 12:06:10 <jrabbit> BlueMatt: no foreign agents can sue in SCOTUS
660 2011-04-16 12:06:18 <BlueMatt> jrabbit: I dont think the world court would take that case
661 2011-04-16 12:06:35 <jrabbit> We're not party to any global justice system
662 2011-04-16 12:06:37 <genjix> http://pokerstars.com
663 2011-04-16 12:06:38 <Fullbring> The world court ?
664 2011-04-16 12:06:57 <jrabbit> and the non-criminal international court requires both sides to agree to its juristiction
665 2011-04-16 12:07:10 <BlueMatt> Fullbring: there are several in The Hague
666 2011-04-16 12:07:11 <jrabbit> (which the US would refuse)
667 2011-04-16 12:07:28 <Fullbring> yep but uits international court lol
668 2011-04-16 12:07:33 <Fullbring> pretty much the same
669 2011-04-16 12:07:48 <Fullbring> but some few differences exist lol
670 2011-04-16 12:08:19 <Fullbring> its in the hay
671 2011-04-16 12:08:29 <jrabbit> ...
672 2011-04-16 12:08:31 <Fullbring> but whatever
673 2011-04-16 12:08:49 <jrabbit> stop hitting enter. seriously.
674 2011-04-16 12:09:35 <Blitzboom> i hope this will motivate people to use bitcoin
675 2011-04-16 12:09:44 <luke-jr> genjix: my brother has funds frozen too
676 2011-04-16 12:10:10 <BlueMatt> can non-us citizens still take their money out?
677 2011-04-16 12:10:23 <Blitzboom> apparently not
678 2011-04-16 12:10:49 <luke-jr> btw, BTCex is down. anyone know how they handle EUR?
679 2011-04-16 12:10:53 <BlueMatt> are they us companies?
680 2011-04-16 12:11:23 <genjix> nope
681 2011-04-16 12:11:29 <Blitzboom> http://techland.time.com/2011/04/16/online-cash-bitcoin-could-challenge-governments/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+timeblogs%2Fnerd_world+%28TIME%3A+Techland%29
682 2011-04-16 12:11:29 <genjix> my funds are locked (UK)
683 2011-04-16 12:11:34 <Blitzboom> its here!
684 2011-04-16 12:11:43 <Blitzboom> http://techland.time.com/2011/04/16/online-cash-bitcoin-could-challenge-governments/
685 2011-04-16 12:11:45 <luke-jr> oh wow
686 2011-04-16 12:11:47 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: NICE
687 2011-04-16 12:11:47 <[Tycho]> BTCex is not down already.
688 2011-04-16 12:11:51 <Blitzboom> YES
689 2011-04-16 12:12:15 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: it's been down since last night
690 2011-04-16 12:12:22 <Blitzboom> lets see what happens now.
691 2011-04-16 12:12:26 <luke-jr> it had DB errors then, now it just doesn't respond at all
692 2011-04-16 12:12:36 <BlueMatt> nice its entirely about bitcoin and looks very positive :)
693 2011-04-16 12:12:57 <BlueMatt> lets get it the most popular on the site, link it everywhere and comment out the woz
694 2011-04-16 12:13:27 <Blitzboom> reddit it
695 2011-04-16 12:13:29 <Blitzboom> digg it
696 2011-04-16 12:13:31 <Blitzboom> everything
697 2011-04-16 12:14:13 <[Tycho]> Yes, they fixed the DB error.
698 2011-04-16 12:14:55 <[Tycho]> Now it works fine.
699 2011-04-16 12:16:27 <BlueMatt> digg it: http://digg.com/news/technology/online_cash_bitcoin_could_challenge_governments_banks_techland_time_com
700 2011-04-16 12:17:07 <Diablo-D3> no one uses digg.
701 2011-04-16 12:17:43 <BlueMatt> so? its a couple more links right?
702 2011-04-16 12:17:57 <Diablo-D3> not really
703 2011-04-16 12:18:17 <jrabbit> BlueMatt: no one uses digg.
704 2011-04-16 12:18:23 <noagendamarket> never heard of techland till just then
705 2011-04-16 12:18:24 <Blitzboom> put it on reddit
706 2011-04-16 12:18:26 <BlueMatt> jrabbit: scroll up
707 2011-04-16 12:18:49 <jrabbit> it's called echoing
708 2011-04-16 12:19:04 <jrabbit> ooh time article
709 2011-04-16 12:19:09 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3 jrabbit fine one more click, does it matter? each extra person who reads that is better
710 2011-04-16 12:19:32 <jrabbit> BlueMatt: Digg soldout its (few) users not to long ago
711 2011-04-16 12:19:41 <jrabbit> its just a corporate news dump
712 2011-04-16 12:19:46 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: but there arent any extra peoples
713 2011-04-16 12:19:52 <Diablo-D3> digg has zero readers.
714 2011-04-16 12:19:59 <luke-jr> Connection to Server Refused
715 2011-04-16 12:20:09 <Diablo-D3> digg stopped being relevant about 3 years ago
716 2011-04-16 12:20:10 <BlueMatt> fine screw it, forget it ever happened
717 2011-04-16 12:20:18 <Diablo-D3> and reddit stopped being relevant about 2
718 2011-04-16 12:20:29 <Diablo-D3> slashdot about 5, kuro5hin never was, etc
719 2011-04-16 12:20:46 <Blitzboom> wtf is relevant, Diablo-D3?
720 2011-04-16 12:20:46 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: so what is relevant?
721 2011-04-16 12:20:47 <jrabbit> Slashdot still is sortof
722 2011-04-16 12:20:56 <jrabbit> it didn't suicide in the same way digg did
723 2011-04-16 12:21:12 <BlueMatt> /. still has a ton of traffic even if its not quite relevant
724 2011-04-16 12:21:13 <Diablo-D3> dude, when slashdot started linking to my blog, it jumped the shark
725 2011-04-16 12:21:29 <jrabbit> Diablo-D3: hahaha
726 2011-04-16 12:21:45 <BlueMatt> I would have to agree that digg isnt relevant, it died then committed suicide...
727 2011-04-16 12:21:53 <jrabbit> BlueMatt: good :P
728 2011-04-16 12:21:56 <jrabbit> now you get it
729 2011-04-16 12:22:19 <noagendamarket> kevin rose fled from digg
730 2011-04-16 12:22:23 <noagendamarket> lol
731 2011-04-16 12:22:26 <BlueMatt> jrabbit: I got it to begin with, but hell if it gets one more click its still worth it and digg still gets a couple million views/day so...
732 2011-04-16 12:22:45 <jrabbit> noagendamarket: i know right I mean
733 2011-04-16 12:22:59 <jrabbit> it went from fame to shame in like a month
734 2011-04-16 12:22:59 <noagendamarket> he is joining witcoin  jk
735 2011-04-16 12:23:16 <jrabbit> oh I forgot about witcoin
736 2011-04-16 12:23:36 <noagendamarket> weve gt a free section now
737 2011-04-16 12:23:39 <BlueMatt> jrabbit: no it was on the way out before digg4 when they really died
738 2011-04-16 12:24:06 <luke-jr> Digg died for me when it stopped working in my browser
739 2011-04-16 12:24:21 <jrabbit> whats the point of it again noagendamarket ?
740 2011-04-16 12:24:25 <noagendamarket> the digg bar was an asshole move
741 2011-04-16 12:24:32 <jrabbit> a bitcoin social thing?
742 2011-04-16 12:24:37 <noagendamarket> yes
743 2011-04-16 12:24:49 <jrabbit> noagendamarket: is the code public? :P
744 2011-04-16 12:24:58 <noagendamarket> not yet
745 2011-04-16 12:25:08 <noagendamarket> we have a private git setup
746 2011-04-16 12:25:14 <jrabbit> "yet" ?
747 2011-04-16 12:25:15 <luke-jr> "not yet" means "no" to me
748 2011-04-16 12:25:18 <jrabbit> ^
749 2011-04-16 12:25:29 <jrabbit> if you're going to do it do it :P
750 2011-04-16 12:25:30 <luke-jr> hmm.
751 2011-04-16 12:25:31 <noagendamarket> ep
752 2011-04-16 12:25:32 <noagendamarket> *yep
753 2011-04-16 12:25:44 <luke-jr> I should have been less anonymous when I told the credit union guy about Bitcoin
754 2011-04-16 12:25:51 <luke-jr> I'd probably be looking ahead of the curve right about now
755 2011-04-16 12:25:53 <luke-jr> :p
756 2011-04-16 12:26:17 <noagendamarket> jrabbit how do you spell raep ?
757 2011-04-16 12:26:19 <jrabbit> but anywho I have an intresting plan for a new point system
758 2011-04-16 12:26:19 <luke-jr> also, people who develop clients should probably try to finish up a new release&
759 2011-04-16 12:26:31 <luke-jr> ideally able to use other ports
760 2011-04-16 12:26:37 <luke-jr> including bootstrap
761 2011-04-16 12:26:44 <jrabbit> noagendamarket: rSp
762 2011-04-16 12:26:54 <noagendamarket> ^_^
763 2011-04-16 12:26:59 <luke-jr> with this much attention, it's probably only time until some government tries to block bitcoin
764 2011-04-16 12:27:15 <noagendamarket> we need to get a few more features done yet
765 2011-04-16 12:27:23 <jrabbit> noagendamarket: what language?
766 2011-04-16 12:27:55 <jrabbit> https://github.com/livid/v2ex I've been thinking I'd use this and make a reddit superstructure but I could just as easily do it for witcoin
767 2011-04-16 12:28:14 <jrabbit> basically you choose which people's votes count for you
768 2011-04-16 12:28:51 <luke-jr> noagendamarket: such as?
769 2011-04-16 12:29:12 <noagendamarket> well...votes cost bitcoins on the site
770 2011-04-16 12:29:55 <jrabbit> that sounds possible if it was original content...
771 2011-04-16 12:30:03 <noagendamarket> luke-jr  search for one ^_^
772 2011-04-16 12:31:00 <necrodearia> <jrabbit> if you're going to do it do it :P
773 2011-04-16 12:31:09 <necrodearia> reddit wasn't open source for ~3 years
774 2011-04-16 12:31:20 <necrodearia> e.g. build community first
775 2011-04-16 12:31:40 <necrodearia> If yuo're going to do it, do it.... even with little or no community...
776 2011-04-16 12:35:08 <genjix> jaromil: i started using irssi through vps :)
777 2011-04-16 12:35:13 <genjix> super kewl idea
778 2011-04-16 12:36:52 <luke-jr> genjix: you want to get anything into Spesmilo before an initial release? :P
779 2011-04-16 12:37:21 <luke-jr> otherwise, imma try to find someone to help get it working on Windows
780 2011-04-16 12:37:23 <luke-jr> <.<
781 2011-04-16 12:38:10 <Fullbring> whats the answer from bitcoins against the risk of money laundering ?
782 2011-04-16 12:38:22 <luke-jr> Fullbring: it's not a risk, it's a given
783 2011-04-16 12:38:23 <BlueMatt> Fullbring: have fun
784 2011-04-16 12:38:38 <Blitzboom> whats the answer from the government against the risk of money laundering with dollars?
785 2011-04-16 12:38:42 <Blitzboom> etc. etc.
786 2011-04-16 12:38:48 <lfm> you're on your own
787 2011-04-16 12:39:05 <Fullbring> yeah but its even easier with bitcoins
788 2011-04-16 12:39:18 <lfm> you figgure?
789 2011-04-16 12:39:20 <luke-jr> Fullbring: first define money laundering
790 2011-04-16 12:39:29 <BlueMatt> Fullbring: and the answer is do it, and have fun doing it
791 2011-04-16 12:39:29 <luke-jr> then explain why it's a problem
792 2011-04-16 12:40:30 <lfm> explain why its owr problem
793 2011-04-16 12:40:36 <Fullbring> its not your pbm
794 2011-04-16 12:40:42 <Fullbring> in person
795 2011-04-16 12:40:57 <Fullbring> its the pb of the success of bitcoins amongs other currency
796 2011-04-16 12:41:19 <Blitzboom> ok, so how do you want to prevent money laundering without a central entity controlling the currency?
797 2011-04-16 12:41:23 <Blitzboom> or intermediaries
798 2011-04-16 12:41:27 <lfm> so its the problem with other currencies
799 2011-04-16 12:42:49 <Fullbring> i'm not saying that i have the answer i was asking for the answer from responsable of bitcoins
800 2011-04-16 12:42:51 <BlueMatt> Fullbring: you bring up a legitimate point, but there is no answer.  Simply, bitcoin allows money laundering as much as any other currency
801 2011-04-16 12:43:11 <Fullbring> yep thats all what i wanted to know
802 2011-04-16 12:43:17 <Fullbring> whats was the current answer
803 2011-04-16 12:43:52 <Fullbring> and maybe this is what this whole project hasnt already been made
804 2011-04-16 12:43:59 <BlueMatt> current answer: none, launder to your heart's content
805 2011-04-16 12:44:16 <Fullbring> so the success of this system would be in a free control organism
806 2011-04-16 12:44:36 <Blitzboom> thats the point, yes
807 2011-04-16 12:44:37 <BlueMatt> though remember that each tx is public and an investigative body could do some real work and figure out who has what
808 2011-04-16 12:45:05 <luke-jr> yep
809 2011-04-16 12:45:12 <luke-jr> in some ways, it's HARDER to launder bitcoins
810 2011-04-16 12:45:13 <lfm> and if do buy things they can follow those things to you
811 2011-04-16 12:45:14 <luke-jr> than cash
812 2011-04-16 12:45:28 <Fullbring> or in a "community" control organism in the same spirit of the peer to peer initial idea
813 2011-04-16 12:45:39 <luke-jr> never before could an investigative team trace the history of cash
814 2011-04-16 12:46:12 <lfm> actually you can trace cash serial numbers
815 2011-04-16 12:46:20 <BlueMatt> lfm: not really
816 2011-04-16 12:46:22 <luke-jr> lfm: only if you know everywhere they went
817 2011-04-16 12:46:25 <luke-jr> already
818 2011-04-16 12:46:27 <sacarlson> ok I'm almost ready to try my new coin network but I need to know how to create the block_nNonce value and the block_nTime value and I guess the new genesisblock number
819 2011-04-16 12:46:49 <luke-jr> sacarlson: &why?
820 2011-04-16 12:47:00 <lfm> sacarlson: have fun
821 2011-04-16 12:47:21 <sacarlson> for my experimental multi coin client
822 2011-04-16 12:47:25 <Fullbring> i only see one way to do that
823 2011-04-16 12:47:45 <Fullbring> make everyones expanses fully public
824 2011-04-16 12:48:25 <sacarlson> I have it pointing to my IRC net I see myself come up there but I get the error now of bool LoadBlockIndex(bool): Assertion `block.GetHash() == hashGenesisBlock' failed.
825 2011-04-16 12:48:37 <Fullbring> *expenses
826 2011-04-16 12:49:28 <BlueMatt> sacarlson: you have to delete the old block index if you change the genisis block
827 2011-04-16 12:49:59 <sacarlson> BlueMatt: I deleted or renamed the .bitcoin directory to do that I think
828 2011-04-16 12:50:29 <lfm> sacarlson: ya, you gotta start with a genesis block first
829 2011-04-16 12:51:04 <sacarlson> lfm: is that a option on the command line to start that?
830 2011-04-16 12:51:08 <BlueMatt> sacarlson: not according to that error
831 2011-04-16 12:51:32 <luke-jr> holy crap
832 2011-04-16 12:51:40 <luke-jr> Bitcoin is on time.com's front page :o
833 2011-04-16 12:52:02 <sacarlson> luke-jr I hope it's good news
834 2011-04-16 12:52:03 <Blitzboom> its not
835 2011-04-16 12:52:08 <genjix> britcoin is getting some heavy volume
836 2011-04-16 12:52:10 <Blitzboom> i dont see it on http://www.time.com/time/
837 2011-04-16 12:52:12 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: BULLSHIT
838 2011-04-16 12:52:17 <BlueMatt> only on the tech site's front page
839 2011-04-16 12:52:20 <Diablo-D3> SCREENSHOT IT OR GTFO
840 2011-04-16 12:52:22 <luke-jr> ah
841 2011-04-16 12:52:24 <Diablo-D3> infact, please screenshot itr
842 2011-04-16 12:52:25 <genjix> http://bitcoinwatch.com/
843 2011-04-16 12:52:27 <Diablo-D3> I want to link to that
844 2011-04-16 12:52:40 <Diablo-D3> infact, I want to buy it on a poster
845 2011-04-16 12:52:44 <Diablo-D3> WITH BITCOINS
846 2011-04-16 12:52:46 <Diablo-D3> MWHAHAHAHAH
847 2011-04-16 12:53:01 <luke-jr> http://techland.time.com/
848 2011-04-16 12:53:38 <Diablo-D3> whats a good pastebin for images?
849 2011-04-16 12:54:28 <Fullbring> png
850 2011-04-16 12:55:00 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: they are all irrelevant
851 2011-04-16 12:55:03 <Diablo-D3> Fullbring: wtf is wrong with you
852 2011-04-16 12:55:37 <Fullbring> excuse me ?
853 2011-04-16 12:55:52 <luke-jr> genjix: poke
854 2011-04-16 12:56:03 <Diablo-D3> Fullbring: you do know what a pastebin is, right?
855 2011-04-16 12:56:18 <luke-jr> genjix: congrats on beating all the other exchanges :P
856 2011-04-16 12:56:30 <Fullbring> oh you mean like imagehack ?
857 2011-04-16 12:56:38 <Fullbring> im french sry ^^
858 2011-04-16 12:56:38 <genjix> thanks luke-jr
859 2011-04-16 12:56:42 <genjix> i run it as a charity
860 2011-04-16 12:57:00 <luke-jr> genjix: is it ok if I try to do a formal Spesmilo release, or do you want me to wait for your branches?
861 2011-04-16 12:57:38 <Diablo-D3> http://beta.thumbalizr.com/app/thumbs/?src=/thumbs/onl/source/94/94cb642ee3243776b4030b96694b3182.png&w=800&q=0&enc=
862 2011-04-16 12:57:40 <Diablo-D3> bam.
863 2011-04-16 12:57:43 <genjix> no go ahead
864 2011-04-16 12:58:17 <Fullbring> Diablo-D3: dont be so agressive ! i thought you would knew imagehack if you are such a leet !
865 2011-04-16 12:58:31 <luke-jr> Fullbring: Diablo-D3 is a troll, don't mind him
866 2011-04-16 12:58:41 <Fullbring> kk
867 2011-04-16 12:58:44 <Diablo-D3> Fullbring: well no, I said a _good_ one.
868 2011-04-16 12:58:49 <Diablo-D3> that precludes imageshack
869 2011-04-16 12:59:00 <Blitzboom> i use imgur
870 2011-04-16 12:59:09 <Diablo-D3> but screw it, I just used a site that screenshots pages for me
871 2011-04-16 12:59:10 <Diablo-D3> lazyness++
872 2011-04-16 12:59:26 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: except it doesn't work at all
873 2011-04-16 12:59:41 <Diablo-D3> why doesnt it?
874 2011-04-16 12:59:47 <luke-jr> nfc
875 2011-04-16 12:59:49 <luke-jr> just a blank page
876 2011-04-16 12:59:54 <Diablo-D3> hrm
877 2011-04-16 12:59:56 <Fullbring> works for me
878 2011-04-16 13:00:03 <genjix> i fully intend to jump back into spesmilo at some point
879 2011-04-16 13:00:11 <genjix> just very preoccupied with other bitcoin stuff atm
880 2011-04-16 13:00:40 <luke-jr> nm, just really really slow
881 2011-04-16 13:01:05 <Fullbring> yep for me too but its a good one ;)
882 2011-04-16 13:01:14 <Diablo-D3> http://imgur.com/YCE1A
883 2011-04-16 13:01:27 <luke-jr> genjix: fwiw, I got rid of the local jsonrpc copy. you can either 'make local' to get it, or install jgarzik's bitcoinrpc (recommended)
884 2011-04-16 13:10:25 <Fullbring> "the system is secure as long as honest nodes collcetively control more CPU power than any cooperating group of attackers nodes"
885 2011-04-16 13:10:29 <Fullbring> Interesting !
886 2011-04-16 13:11:22 <lfm> Fullbring: yes, we never said we were invulnerable
887 2011-04-16 13:11:38 <Fullbring> of course like every system
888 2011-04-16 13:11:47 <Fullbring> based on internet
889 2011-04-16 13:12:11 <Fullbring> but i quote it as a Fkn good point !
890 2011-04-16 13:12:26 <lfm> you only need something like 2000 5970 GPU cards to take over bitcoin
891 2011-04-16 13:12:35 <Fullbring> The more popular it goes the better it will be !
892 2011-04-16 13:12:53 <Fullbring> :D