1 2011-04-17 00:11:35 <luke-jr> could I get testnet coins sent to mxwBdraSJzdRLA3novDCrsRrYdawtQLZo9 plz?
  2 2011-04-17 00:11:51 <luke-jr> krytzz: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Wallet_protocol
  3 2011-04-17 00:12:23 <luke-jr> jgarzik: ^?
  4 2011-04-17 00:12:50 <krytzz> ah thanks
  5 2011-04-17 00:17:19 <appamatto> ;bc,stats
  6 2011-04-17 00:17:23 <appamatto> ;;bc,stats
  7 2011-04-17 00:17:25 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118736 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 207 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 6 hours, 7 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 91934.45127041
  8 2011-04-17 00:17:37 <luke-jr> plz?
  9 2011-04-17 00:22:16 <sacarlson> luke-jr: you still need a coin on testnet?
 10 2011-04-17 00:22:27 <luke-jr> yep
 11 2011-04-17 00:22:44 <sacarlson> luke-jr ok I just woke up so I have to bring it up
 12 2011-04-17 00:24:21 <lfm> there is also a testnet faucet you know?
 13 2011-04-17 00:25:37 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 265000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 373.71147262, is 1 hour, 40 minutes, and 56 seconds
 14 2011-04-17 00:25:37 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calcd 265000 373.71147262
 15 2011-04-17 00:25:38 <luke-jr> lfm: there is?
 16 2011-04-17 00:27:03 <luke-jr> I wonder if it will someday be a problem, that blocks are never found in 10 minutes during business hours
 17 2011-04-17 00:27:13 <luke-jr> due to everyone turning their miners on only at night
 18 2011-04-17 00:27:15 <luke-jr> when they're not using it
 19 2011-04-17 00:27:26 <phantomcircuit> unlikely
 20 2011-04-17 00:27:37 <phantomcircuit> most of the miners will be professionals
 21 2011-04-17 00:27:42 <phantomcircuit> like ArtForz ;)
 22 2011-04-17 00:28:21 <[Tycho]> Night is not at the same time all over the world :)
 23 2011-04-17 00:29:23 <sacarlson> luke-jr ok sent you 2.0 coin tbtc
 24 2011-04-17 00:29:29 <lfm> even pros might only find it profitable to mine when power is cheapest, but [Tycho] is right, that time is not the same everywhere
 25 2011-04-17 00:30:24 <sacarlson> power in thailand I calculated is only about 11 cents per kw
 26 2011-04-17 00:31:07 <lfm> sacarlson: I think that is cheaper than average so you are set
 27 2011-04-17 00:32:27 <sacarlson> lfm: ok then send me some gpu and I get them going for you
 28 2011-04-17 00:33:02 <lfm> Thanks, Ill keep that under consideration
 29 2011-04-17 00:33:48 <sacarlson> luke-jr did you see my transaction of 2 tbtc ?  I'm wondering with all the modifications to the config file I did if the original software will still work
 30 2011-04-17 00:34:17 <odinswand> im not entirely sure im getting a positive return on mining with my gpu vs paying the electricty for running it
 31 2011-04-17 00:34:49 <lfm> odinswand: what khash/sec are you getting?
 32 2011-04-17 00:34:52 <[Tycho]> My average power cost is $0.066 :)
 33 2011-04-17 00:35:04 <odinswand> ~26Mh/s
 34 2011-04-17 00:35:33 <lfm> odinswand: whats your power cost? I think that should be economical
 35 2011-04-17 00:35:44 <odinswand> lfm: not sure
 36 2011-04-17 00:36:28 <lfm> odinswand: I expect it will be more that [Tycho] ! Whare is that [Tycho] ?
 37 2011-04-17 00:38:49 <[Tycho]> Russia.
 38 2011-04-17 00:39:17 <lfm> [Tycho]: nice, that is one of the cheapest places I know of then
 39 2011-04-17 00:39:56 <[Tycho]> It's even cheaper it other places here, when hydroelectric plant is nearby.
 40 2011-04-17 00:48:45 <lfm> [Tycho]: you probably have that advantage that the heat generated is usefull also at least most of the year?
 41 2011-04-17 00:50:06 <appamatto> ArtForz, how many days to generate with a top of the line GPU?
 42 2011-04-17 00:50:24 <appamatto> ;;help
 43 2011-04-17 00:50:25 <gribble> The bot responds when you start a line with the ! character. A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for a list of help topics and documentation: http://gribble.sourceforge.net/
 44 2011-04-17 00:50:30 <appamatto> !facts
 45 2011-04-17 00:50:42 <phantomcircuit> MagicalTux, it's possible to transfer funds directly to other users on mtgox right
 46 2011-04-17 00:50:53 <lfm> 5970 are 500-600 or maybe 650 mh/s
 47 2011-04-17 00:50:55 <phantomcircuit> or even to send btc directly to an arbitrary address
 48 2011-04-17 00:51:08 <sacarlson> luke-jr I see my status on the send at 4 confirm so you should have something soon
 49 2011-04-17 00:51:25 <phantomcircuit> i just realized how you could run a pretty much perfectly anonymous futures market
 50 2011-04-17 00:52:01 <MagicalTux> phantomcircuit: yep
 51 2011-04-17 00:52:11 <kiba> an anonymous stock market!
 52 2011-04-17 00:52:18 <lfm> phantomcircuit you should get one running. thatd be great
 53 2011-04-17 00:52:30 <phantomcircuit> ME why never would i do such a thing
 54 2011-04-17 00:52:32 <phantomcircuit> *wink*
 55 2011-04-17 00:52:53 <appamatto> lfm, is there a gribble calculation for mhash to btc/day?
 56 2011-04-17 00:53:00 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit yes that's what I'm working on a group of coins that represent different things including stocks, bonds, conodities, futures and other instruments
 57 2011-04-17 00:53:20 <lfm> ya
 58 2011-04-17 00:53:45 <lfm> ;;bc,gen 650000
 59 2011-04-17 00:53:46 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 650000 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 7.9394109963 BTC per day and 0.330808791512 BTC per hour.
 60 2011-04-17 00:53:55 <MagicalTux> mail suggestions/ideas/etc to info@mtgox.com :D
 61 2011-04-17 00:54:16 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit instead of paying a stock broker $9 for a transaction pay at most .01 Xbtc
 62 2011-04-17 00:55:06 <phantomcircuit> MagicalTux, you wouldn't happen to know the regulatory hurdles necessary to run a futures exchange would you?
 63 2011-04-17 00:55:18 <lfm> MagicalTux: I wonder if there is some way to automate short selling? (borrowing)
 64 2011-04-17 00:55:39 <phantomcircuit> lfm, sure there is
 65 2011-04-17 00:55:50 <lfm> on mtgox?
 66 2011-04-17 00:55:57 <phantomcircuit> not currently
 67 2011-04-17 00:56:09 <phantomcircuit> doing that would actually be fairly simple though
 68 2011-04-17 00:56:19 <phantomcircuit> the problem would be backing the borrowing
 69 2011-04-17 00:56:19 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit when it's not detected and so small you can forget about regulations
 70 2011-04-17 00:56:31 <phantomcircuit> sacarlson, no i really cant :|
 71 2011-04-17 00:56:38 <PovAddict> ok, let's see how much I suck
 72 2011-04-17 00:56:50 <PovAddict> ;;bc,gen 7720
 73 2011-04-17 00:56:51 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 7720 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 0.0942957736791 BTC per day and 0.00392899056996 BTC per hour.
 74 2011-04-17 00:57:08 <phantomcircuit> the problem with running an anonymous futures market is people reneging on contracts
 75 2011-04-17 00:57:13 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit: well I'll let people like you figure that out then
 76 2011-04-17 00:57:35 <lfm> PovAddict: so you should be able to earn 9 bitcents per day in a pool or some thing
 77 2011-04-17 00:57:40 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit you must not be familiar with the bitcoin-otc then
 78 2011-04-17 00:58:01 <PovAddict> can't be bothered to join a pool...
 79 2011-04-17 00:58:08 <phantomcircuit> bitcoin-otc is not anonymous
 80 2011-04-17 00:58:10 <lfm> otc isnt automated tho
 81 2011-04-17 00:58:25 <PovAddict> a GPU client might be worth looking at, though
 82 2011-04-17 00:58:29 <kiba> pesudoanonymous...
 83 2011-04-17 00:58:37 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit: there you don't have a name but have prof you are an entity that people have worked with before and you build up a trust network with gpg signing
 84 2011-04-17 00:59:06 <phantomcircuit> yeah
 85 2011-04-17 00:59:14 <phantomcircuit> sacarlson, except one problem
 86 2011-04-17 00:59:20 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit: it's not anonymous?  I didn't see my name on there
 87 2011-04-17 00:59:28 <phantomcircuit> bitcoin-otc is susceptible to the same attacks that ebay is
 88 2011-04-17 00:59:40 <phantomcircuit> fake accounts + fake transactions + fake feedback
 89 2011-04-17 00:59:45 <lfm> irc shows ip numbers
 90 2011-04-17 00:59:53 <PovAddict> lfm: what's my IP?
 91 2011-04-17 00:59:57 <phantomcircuit> lfm, dem proxies
 92 2011-04-17 01:00:09 <phantomcircuit> lfm, also to use bitcoin-otc you need to have a host mask
 93 2011-04-17 01:00:24 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit: all contracts have risk so over time you can learn who to trust and who not to.  in a small group it even get easier
 94 2011-04-17 01:00:43 <phantomcircuit> sacarlson, this is true
 95 2011-04-17 01:00:46 <PovAddict> where can I get a GPU client?
 96 2011-04-17 01:00:50 <phantomcircuit> but futures contracts are long term
 97 2011-04-17 01:00:59 <phantomcircuit> someone trusted today might not be trusted in 6 months
 98 2011-04-17 01:01:03 <PovAddict> I'm not planning on mining for profit, but my GPU is pretty idle right now, might as well...
 99 2011-04-17 01:01:09 <phantomcircuit> PovAddict, google pocblm
100 2011-04-17 01:01:36 <lfm> PovAddict: can look in mining forum
101 2011-04-17 01:01:42 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit: furtures contracts with time involved I never thought about much yet
102 2011-04-17 01:01:59 <PovAddict> I started my bitcoin client after several months of not doing so
103 2011-04-17 01:02:01 <phantomcircuit> sacarlson, that's what im trying to build
104 2011-04-17 01:02:04 <PovAddict> took forever to sync to the network :P
105 2011-04-17 01:02:29 <phantomcircuit> the only solution i can think of would be transactions which cannot be redeemed for the time period of the futures contract
106 2011-04-17 01:02:30 <lfm> PovAddict: ya that happens
107 2011-04-17 01:02:32 <phantomcircuit> and that's dumb
108 2011-04-17 01:02:43 <phantomcircuit> who wants a futures contract if you cant spend the money now
109 2011-04-17 01:02:48 <PovAddict> and turned out the 200BTC I generated back in July 2010 are now worth a lot more o.o
110 2011-04-17 01:02:56 <PovAddict> like, way more than I expected
111 2011-04-17 01:03:18 <lfm> PovAddict: wtg
112 2011-04-17 01:03:32 <PovAddict> now I regret not generating for a few more months last year :P
113 2011-04-17 01:04:06 <lfm> PovAddict: ya difficulty went up pretty fast from then
114 2011-04-17 01:05:32 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit  you lost me a bit there, I'm not sure why if you sold the Xbtc for btc that you couldn't spend the money now
115 2011-04-17 01:06:35 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit: in btc we also have the instrument of escrow
116 2011-04-17 01:06:57 <PovAddict> er, how on earth do I use poclbm? ._.
117 2011-04-17 01:07:52 <lfm> run bitcoin in -server mode or run bitcoind and install the opencl sdk. it should run then
118 2011-04-17 01:08:22 <PovAddict> I found a forum post from Oct 2010 that says "You will need bitcoin patched with this to enable RPC getwork()"
119 2011-04-17 01:08:30 <PovAddict> is that built into recent bitcoin clients already?
120 2011-04-17 01:08:47 <lfm> PovAddict: thats old info, not needed now
121 2011-04-17 01:08:53 <PovAddict> cool
122 2011-04-17 01:09:54 <phantomcircuit> sacarlson, what?
123 2011-04-17 01:10:38 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit what don't you understand?  escrow?
124 2011-04-17 01:12:34 <phantomcircuit> sacarlson, if the funds are in escrow you cant spend them
125 2011-04-17 01:13:40 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit: that's only an option to use escrow  you not forced to use them but if the party you are working with is not fully trusted yet then that's another option to use
126 2011-04-17 01:14:00 <Blitzboom> http://www.reddit.com/r/poker/comments/gro8s/so_i_had_this_idea/
127 2011-04-17 01:14:02 <Blitzboom> it has begun
128 2011-04-17 01:14:06 <PovAddict> got it working :)
129 2011-04-17 01:14:09 <Blitzboom> http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=26085793&postcount=7
130 2011-04-17 01:14:14 <Blitzboom> people catched the bait
131 2011-04-17 01:14:16 <PovAddict> ;;bc,gen 15660
132 2011-04-17 01:14:17 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 15660 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 0.191278732619 BTC per day and 0.00796994719244 BTC per hour.
133 2011-04-17 01:14:23 <phantomcircuit> sacarlson, lol you're not understanding here
134 2011-04-17 01:14:25 <PovAddict> that's... better I guess
135 2011-04-17 01:14:26 <PovAddict> lol
136 2011-04-17 01:14:37 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit: or maybe the contract can stipulate a percentage of the outstanding ballance be held in escrow
137 2011-04-17 01:15:07 <lfm> PovAddict: be careful of h/s , kh/s and mh/s
138 2011-04-17 01:15:11 <PovAddict> and my system is laggy as hell
139 2011-04-17 01:15:48 <phantomcircuit> sacarlson, that % would surely be higher than any possible profits
140 2011-04-17 01:15:49 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit: well I never traded futures but I know a bit about option contracts and they are similar
141 2011-04-17 01:16:36 <phantomcircuit> the difference being they're enforced almost entirely through the force of law
142 2011-04-17 01:16:50 <phantomcircuit> good luck getting the cops to enforce a bitcoins contract
143 2011-04-17 01:16:52 <PovAddict> lfm: 15622 khash/s
144 2011-04-17 01:16:55 <phantomcircuit> actually that would be interesting
145 2011-04-17 01:17:11 <lfm> ya contracts arnt very annonymous
146 2011-04-17 01:17:32 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit: well as we also know the law doesn't always help you eather with multi millions being scamed every year so you need to work on trust
147 2011-04-17 01:18:15 <lfm> and reputation
148 2011-04-17 01:18:16 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit: and maybe your fist at times
149 2011-04-17 01:19:18 <phantomcircuit> lol
150 2011-04-17 01:19:24 <phantomcircuit> gonna smash my face in through irc?
151 2011-04-17 01:19:39 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit: when you loose on contracts that fail then you just have to make back the loss by charging more to the next contract since the risk is higher
152 2011-04-17 01:20:20 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit: I got my GPS satalite looking right at you man
153 2011-04-17 01:20:42 <phantomcircuit> gps satelites are just accurate time broadcasts
154 2011-04-17 01:20:45 <phantomcircuit> so
155 2011-04-17 01:20:48 <phantomcircuit> go ahead
156 2011-04-17 01:20:53 <phantomcircuit> broadcast that time at me
157 2011-04-17 01:21:00 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit: I was just kiding
158 2011-04-17 01:21:43 <lfm> phantomcircuitdidnt you know the us army put spy telescops in the gps satellites? grin
159 2011-04-17 01:22:04 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit: but in real business you can have auditors or personaly witness events on a contract difference is in this case we just don't have names
160 2011-04-17 01:22:47 <phantomcircuit> lfm, why? they have their own satelites for that
161 2011-04-17 01:22:57 <PovAddict> ;;bc,gen 23140
162 2011-04-17 01:22:58 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 23140 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 0.282643031468 BTC per day and 0.0117767929778 BTC per hour.
163 2011-04-17 01:23:02 <MagicalTux> lfm: which get hacked teenage hackers to watch the girl next door taking a shower
164 2011-04-17 01:23:39 <PovAddict> MagicalTux: mmm hawt
165 2011-04-17 01:24:36 <lfm> MagicalTux: yup, lotta teenage girls have outdoor showers you know
166 2011-04-17 01:24:58 <MagicalTux> lfm: you didn't know? american spy telescops can see inside buildings
167 2011-04-17 01:26:03 <lfm> oh ir cameras, I saw that on TV once!
168 2011-04-17 01:26:51 <PovAddict> just give them some hundred dollars^W bitcoins and they'll let you into their bathrooms
169 2011-04-17 01:27:14 <lfm> bitsluts!
170 2011-04-17 01:27:26 <PovAddict> is there any bitcoin-accepting porn site?
171 2011-04-17 01:27:34 <[Tycho]> Putting telescopes on gps satellites is pointless because the orbit is way too high :)
172 2011-04-17 01:27:42 <PovAddict> porn is what makes any tech catch on
173 2011-04-17 01:28:02 <PovAddict> porn is what made VHS win over Betamax
174 2011-04-17 01:28:07 <lfm> [Tycho]: gps sats are not that high
175 2011-04-17 01:28:30 <phantomcircuit> oh hey
176 2011-04-17 01:28:35 <phantomcircuit> sell porn over tor for bitcoins
177 2011-04-17 01:28:41 <phantomcircuit> brb rich
178 2011-04-17 01:29:06 <[Tycho]> ~20200 km IS that high.
179 2011-04-17 01:29:17 <noagendamarket> PovAddict theres a few porn sites
180 2011-04-17 01:29:26 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit: should work
181 2011-04-17 01:29:29 <lfm> [Tycho]: gps is NOT in geosync orbits
182 2011-04-17 01:29:44 <[Tycho]> Geosync is ~35000 km.
183 2011-04-17 01:29:55 <[Tycho]> GPS is in MEO.
184 2011-04-17 01:29:57 <PovAddict> your mom is ~35000km
185 2011-04-17 01:30:18 <noagendamarket> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Trade   down the bottom
186 2011-04-17 01:30:44 <lfm> [Tycho]: oh ok
187 2011-04-17 01:32:18 <lfm> ignore all that stuf i said then ... grin
188 2011-04-17 01:32:23 <phantomcircuit> ew
189 2011-04-17 01:32:25 <phantomcircuit> sexyfur.com
190 2011-04-17 01:32:25 <sacarlson> PovAddict: no she isn't she's 350lb
191 2011-04-17 01:32:25 <[Tycho]> :)
192 2011-04-17 01:32:27 <phantomcircuit> REALLY
193 2011-04-17 01:32:49 <PovAddict> phantomcircuit: furries? I know someone who would join bitcoin just for that
194 2011-04-17 01:32:54 <phantomcircuit> sacarlson, i was more referring to massive copyright infringement
195 2011-04-17 01:33:22 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit: on selling porn?
196 2011-04-17 01:33:36 <phantomcircuit> yes
197 2011-04-17 01:33:46 <phantomcircuit> porn studios will destroy you with copyright claims
198 2011-04-17 01:33:55 <phantomcircuit> they're easily the most aggressive
199 2011-04-17 01:34:03 <phantomcircuit> (haha get it?!?)
200 2011-04-17 01:34:23 <phantomcircuit> question though
201 2011-04-17 01:34:28 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit: I'll sell you some real girls here in Thailand for btc
202 2011-04-17 01:34:35 <phantomcircuit> would anybody be interested in a checksigv2
203 2011-04-17 01:34:56 <phantomcircuit> where instead of applying crazy script rewriting we simple sign output hash + output index
204 2011-04-17 01:36:17 <lulzplzkthx> hey...
205 2011-04-17 01:36:38 <lulzplzkthx> i'm trying to create a simple test php webapp with bitcoin-php, and it's timing out (i think) on $bc->get_info();
206 2011-04-17 01:36:41 <lulzplzkthx> What would that mean? o.o
207 2011-04-17 01:37:23 <PovAddict> sacarlson: price?
208 2011-04-17 01:37:29 <lfm> sometime getinfo stalss, not sure why
209 2011-04-17 01:37:29 <noagendamarket> sacarlson will they  clean my house ?
210 2011-04-17 01:37:38 <lfm> stalls
211 2011-04-17 01:37:44 <noagendamarket> :x
212 2011-04-17 01:38:02 <lulzplzkthx> lfm: it's not a one or two time thing, it's every single time.
213 2011-04-17 01:38:14 <lulzplzkthx> I have a quick if() { } else { } on it, and neither one is outputting.
214 2011-04-17 01:38:38 <lfm> dunno then
215 2011-04-17 01:38:43 <lulzplzkthx> Interesting.
216 2011-04-17 01:38:59 <lfm> lulzplzkthx: are you giving password?
217 2011-04-17 01:39:08 <lulzplzkthx> hold on.
218 2011-04-17 01:39:46 <lulzplzkthx> http://pastebin.com/7XaAcxri <-- it's very simple. i'm not 100% sure that's the password i gave it, but i'm trying to use can_connect() to a) make sure it is, and b) make sure the server is running.
219 2011-04-17 01:39:59 <lulzplzkthx> Which sounds like exactly what can_connect() should do.
220 2011-04-17 01:40:16 <lulzplzkthx> Ah, okay, now it's outputting the true statement, but it takes a very long time.
221 2011-04-17 01:40:19 <lulzplzkthx> A *very* long time.
222 2011-04-17 01:40:20 <phantomcircuit> lulzplzkthx, password is in ~/.bitcoin/bitcoin.conf
223 2011-04-17 01:40:42 <lfm> compare password to ~/.bitcoin/bitcoin.config
224 2011-04-17 01:40:45 <lulzplzkthx> on Windows?
225 2011-04-17 01:40:52 <lfm> oh, no
226 2011-04-17 01:40:56 <lulzplzkthx> I ran it with a CLI option.
227 2011-04-17 01:41:11 <phantomcircuit> open the taskmgr and look at the command line
228 2011-04-17 01:41:16 <lulzplzkthx> C:UsersJohn>"C:Program Files (x86)Bitcoinitcoin.exe" -rpcuser=root -rpcpas
229 2011-04-17 01:41:19 <phantomcircuit> ps that's why you dont supply passwords on the command line
230 2011-04-17 01:41:20 <phantomcircuit> :P
231 2011-04-17 01:41:24 <lulzplzkthx> swordd=test
232 2011-04-17 01:41:26 <lfm> you need bitcoin.config password tho
233 2011-04-17 01:41:42 <lulzplzkthx> But my point is that regardless, I feel can_connect() should be in place for error checking, and check password + connectivity
234 2011-04-17 01:41:49 <lfm> oh real secure~grinm
235 2011-04-17 01:42:00 <lulzplzkthx> bitcoin.config should go in the (x86)Bitcoin folder?
236 2011-04-17 01:42:07 <lulzplzkthx> lfm: yes, it's clearly a production environment as you can tell. ;)
237 2011-04-17 01:42:34 <phantomcircuit> hmm i see why the full transaction is hashed
238 2011-04-17 01:42:37 <phantomcircuit> interesting
239 2011-04-17 01:44:48 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit: if you want security you can encrypt the wallet.dat file and open it when needed
240 2011-04-17 01:45:14 <PovAddict> store wallet.dat in a pendrive
241 2011-04-17 01:45:20 <PovAddict> store pendrive in some body cavity
242 2011-04-17 01:45:24 <PovAddict> done
243 2011-04-17 01:45:29 <lfm> eeewww!
244 2011-04-17 01:46:31 <lulzplzkthx> lfm: according to time()-time(), the can_connect() if's took 60 seconds.
245 2011-04-17 01:46:45 <PovAddict> hmmm
246 2011-04-17 01:46:51 <lulzplzkthx> Seem a little long to you?
247 2011-04-17 01:46:51 <phantomcircuit> sacarlson, are you for real?
248 2011-04-17 01:46:52 <PovAddict> this GPU mining will be useful
249 2011-04-17 01:46:55 <PovAddict> it's getting cold in here
250 2011-04-17 01:47:00 <lfm> ya should be quicker than that I think
251 2011-04-17 01:47:06 <phantomcircuit> that's not even remotely related to what im talking about
252 2011-04-17 01:47:11 <lulzplzkthx> I might try bitcoind, instead of bitcoin?
253 2011-04-17 01:47:14 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit: please be more specific on your questions
254 2011-04-17 01:47:26 <phantomcircuit> i was specific
255 2011-04-17 01:47:31 <phantomcircuit> you simply dont understand
256 2011-04-17 01:48:02 <phantomcircuit> sacarlson, https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/OP_CHECKSIG
257 2011-04-17 01:48:16 <lfm> lulzplzkthx: for bitcoin gui you need -sever
258 2011-04-17 01:48:21 <lfm> -server
259 2011-04-17 01:48:28 <lulzplzkthx> ah.
260 2011-04-17 01:48:31 <lulzplzkthx> that would make sense.
261 2011-04-17 01:48:46 <lulzplzkthx> interesting then that it worked at all?\n413139
262 2011-04-17 01:53:05 <lulzplzkthx> This is a little ridiculous.
263 2011-04-17 01:53:10 <lulzplzkthx> I'll try in Arch, brb.
264 2011-04-17 01:54:34 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit: that's a good page I never read it. it explains it quite whell
265 2011-04-17 01:56:38 <sacarlson> ok so my problem is that my new network isn't comeing up with connections.  I only have two system in the network.  I see them both in the IRC network that I provided for them but neather seems to recognize the other.  what value can I look at to find out why?
266 2011-04-17 01:58:57 <justmoon> when I close and restart bitcoin, does it remember unconfirmed transactions?
267 2011-04-17 01:59:31 <lulzplzkthx> yes.
268 2011-04-17 01:59:53 <justmoon> how does that work? are they written to disk?
269 2011-04-17 02:00:03 <luke-jr> sacarlson: received nothing :o
270 2011-04-17 02:00:18 <luke-jr> justmoon: no
271 2011-04-17 02:00:23 <sacarlson> luke-jr I showed 4 confirms last I checked
272 2011-04-17 02:00:24 <justmoon> I feel like "memory pool" is a bit of a misleading term in that case
273 2011-04-17 02:00:39 <sacarlson> luke-jr are you running post 3.20 version?
274 2011-04-17 02:00:46 <justmoon> luke-jr: ah ok, that's what I thought
275 2011-04-17 02:00:50 <justmoon> luke-jr: thanks
276 2011-04-17 02:01:02 <luke-jr> sacarlson: no, as there is no 3.20 version and probably won't be for years&
277 2011-04-17 02:01:17 <luke-jr> justmoon: O.o
278 2011-04-17 02:01:36 <lulzplzkthx> luke-jr: what did you tell him now?
279 2011-04-17 02:01:46 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: that no, they aren't written to disk
280 2011-04-17 02:01:50 <sacarlson> luke-jr  oh no I forgot I used the older version
281 2011-04-17 02:01:51 <lulzplzkthx> okay.
282 2011-04-17 02:02:17 <justmoon> but that means it doesn't remember them unless they get sent again, right?
283 2011-04-17 02:02:36 <luke-jr> justmoon: the network is always resending unconfirmed tx
284 2011-04-17 02:02:43 <justmoon> ok perfect
285 2011-04-17 02:02:53 <luke-jr> justmoon: there are some changes planned in that area
286 2011-04-17 02:02:55 <sacarlson> luke-jr: sorry I didn't wake up yet when I sent that and it was sent with the x.x.19 version before the reset
287 2011-04-17 02:03:02 <luke-jr> to make them expire, then the originator just has to rebroadcast
288 2011-04-17 02:03:03 <justmoon> reason I asked was because I was trying to decide whether I need to persist unconfirmed txs in my client
289 2011-04-17 02:03:11 <luke-jr> justmoon: only ones you send
290 2011-04-17 02:03:23 <justmoon> ok, cool!
291 2011-04-17 02:04:09 <sacarlson> luke-jr  strange thing is it still took money out of the wallet so is that wallet now hosed?
292 2011-04-17 02:04:26 <luke-jr> sacarlson: a .19 testnet wallet is hosed period
293 2011-04-17 02:05:14 <sacarlson> luke-jr well let me try to send with the newer version and see if my wallet still works
294 2011-04-17 02:06:10 <sacarlson> luke-jr it shows 19 confirmations
295 2011-04-17 02:07:53 <sacarlson> luke-jr can you give me that address again
296 2011-04-17 02:08:12 <luke-jr> mxwBdraSJzdRLA3novDCrsRrYdawtQLZo9
297 2011-04-17 02:12:06 <sacarlson> luke-jr  this time I sent 2.1 tbtc with return of 74ff4ab5646ebb546af0e02cbd454563f2c0f637b556817ee008eb90e8613350
298 2011-04-17 02:12:43 <sacarlson> luke-jr I see on my console alot of orphan block activity
299 2011-04-17 02:21:04 <sacarlson> I guess if I want to run two bitcoind at the same time I will also have to change the port they operate on.  the code seems to make it difficult to change that with the ports hardcoded into the header file
300 2011-04-17 02:21:51 <tcatm> sacarlson: run one with -nolisten and -addnode=127.0.0.1
301 2011-04-17 02:22:48 <sacarlson> tcatm: ok but they are both testnet just different irc, is that all I need?
302 2011-04-17 02:23:14 <tcatm> different irc?
303 2011-04-17 02:23:38 <sacarlson> tcatm:  yes different address of irc for bootstrap
304 2011-04-17 02:23:57 <tcatm> -addnode has nothing to do with irc
305 2011-04-17 02:24:09 <tcatm> actually you should run the 2nd bitcoind with -noirc
306 2011-04-17 02:24:42 <sacarlson> tcatm: ok that might be a start
307 2011-04-17 02:25:51 <sacarlson> tcatm: one is runing in a virtualbox and the other is on the host of the same system and now that host is also running the original testnet
308 2011-04-17 02:26:21 <lfm> if it is different vm then you could run the same ports
309 2011-04-17 02:26:39 <PovAddict> depends how the VM network is configured
310 2011-04-17 02:26:55 <sacarlson> PovAddict: the vm network is setup as bridged
311 2011-04-17 02:27:08 <PovAddict> then yea, they each have different LAN IPs
312 2011-04-17 02:27:58 <sacarlson> PovAddict: yes they do
313 2011-04-17 02:28:02 <nanotube> justmoon: tx that are received to your address are written do disk - to your wallet.
314 2011-04-17 02:28:10 <lulzplzkthx> So.
315 2011-04-17 02:28:14 <PovAddict> I thought the wallet only contained a key?
316 2011-04-17 02:28:24 <lulzplzkthx> The bitcoin-php works much better under Arch.
317 2011-04-17 02:28:28 <nanotube> PovAddict: well, it contains keys, but also contains a db of your tx. (just so the software doesn't have to rescan the block chain every time it starts)
318 2011-04-17 02:28:48 <PovAddict> ah so it's just caching really
319 2011-04-17 02:29:08 <lulzplzkthx> What is frustrating to me though, is that the Bitcoin client is extremely buggy under Arch for me.
320 2011-04-17 02:29:09 <nanotube> yes
321 2011-04-17 02:30:13 <nanotube> lulzplzkthx: how so?
322 2011-04-17 02:30:26 <CIA-89> bitcoin: various combo * r0541ca..8bb5ed bitcoind-personal/ (35 files in 8 dirs): (27 commits) http://tinyurl.com/3go73zb
323 2011-04-17 02:30:31 <lulzplzkthx> Actually, I said it was better under Arch, but it's saying it can connect even when bitcoi isn't running.
324 2011-04-17 02:30:35 <lulzplzkthx> and nanotube: clicking anything does not open anything (address book, send coins, help > about,)
325 2011-04-17 02:30:40 <lulzplzkthx> The icon in the tray is missing.
326 2011-04-17 02:30:43 <PovAddict> I have *never* seen the tray icon work properly
327 2011-04-17 02:30:47 <PovAddict> it's like the icon is transparent
328 2011-04-17 02:31:00 <lulzplzkthx> And it does not appear to be listening to my bitcoin.conf which told it to look for datadir on /media/windows/users/john/AppData/Roaming/Bitcoin/
329 2011-04-17 02:31:08 <lulzplzkthx> PovAddict: yeah, and i can deal with that... but not with not being able to use the client.
330 2011-04-17 02:31:14 <lfm> PovAddict: wait, it can take a few minutes
331 2011-04-17 02:31:19 <lulzplzkthx> none of the buttons or options provide functionality.
332 2011-04-17 02:31:23 <lulzplzkthx> lfm: no, even when bitcoin opens, it's still transparent.
333 2011-04-17 02:31:24 <lulzplzkthx> or missing.
334 2011-04-17 02:31:28 <nanotube> lulzplzkthx: mmm could be some wx problems... try the cli client instead?
335 2011-04-17 02:32:50 <nanotube> ah
336 2011-04-17 02:33:25 <lulzplzkthx> On Windows i takes either 60 seconds to "connect" to the server, or the script times out. On Linux it always connects within milliseconds. Even when the server isn't running.
337 2011-04-17 02:35:42 <sacarlson> luke-jr ok I got 1 confirmation now on my last deposit to you with my hopfully working version of bitcoind,  see anything now?
338 2011-04-17 02:35:44 <luke-jr> (or you can find anything bitcoin-related on http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/bitcoin )
339 2011-04-17 02:35:45 <luke-jr> sacarlson: nope
340 2011-04-17 02:35:48 <sacarlson> luke-jr wow did I break it?
341 2011-04-17 02:35:57 <luke-jr> sacarlson: probably
342 2011-04-17 02:36:20 <lulzplzkthx> How do I run the CLI bitcoin client?
343 2011-04-17 02:36:59 <sacarlson> luke-jr I'll try to send to my virtualbox system and see if it's broken there also
344 2011-04-17 02:37:15 <justmoon> nanotube: just saw your msg - interesting, thx!
345 2011-04-17 02:37:37 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: there is no CLI bitcoin client really, just a test tool
346 2011-04-17 02:38:10 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: if you mean bitcoind, you just run 'bitcoind'
347 2011-04-17 02:39:38 <lulzplzkthx> No. I mean whatever nanotube hinted at.
348 2011-04-17 02:39:42 <lulzplzkthx> :\n413233
349 2011-04-17 02:40:15 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: what's the problem?
350 2011-04-17 02:40:19 <lulzplzkthx> And lfm: I'm stuck waiting at least 5-10 minutes for the client to open up, and then it's unusable when it does. Very frustrating.
351 2011-04-17 02:40:31 <luke-jr> I think nanotube meant the test tool :P
352 2011-04-17 02:40:35 <lulzplzkthx> luke-jr: ode/#bitcoin-dev+cnt)-(Act: 5)-(239 ni(=)
353 2011-04-17 02:40:40 <lulzplzkthx> Woops.
354 2011-04-17 02:40:46 <lulzplzkthx> Scroll up to where I say "On Windows..."
355 2011-04-17 02:41:08 <luke-jr> and both bitcoin-php and that require a running bitcoind
356 2011-04-17 02:41:10 <luke-jr> Windows? who uses Windows?
357 2011-04-17 02:41:11 <luke-jr> much less for a server
358 2011-04-17 02:41:19 <lulzplzkthx> luke-jr: Nobody. I was using it to test.
359 2011-04-17 02:41:27 <luke-jr> O.o
360 2011-04-17 02:41:28 <lulzplzkthx> I dual-boot, and was in Windows.
361 2011-04-17 02:41:38 <lulzplzkthx> I often test code on windows as my ClickPad doesn't like Linux.
362 2011-04-17 02:41:43 <lulzplzkthx> However, as you saw, i still have issues in Linux.
363 2011-04-17 02:41:59 <lulzplzkthx> I feel like can-connect() should NOT return true if it's not running...
364 2011-04-17 02:42:09 <da2ce7> ;;bc,stats
365 2011-04-17 02:42:10 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118754 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 189 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 3 hours, 27 minutes, and 27 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 92019.14899087
366 2011-04-17 02:42:31 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: did you read the wiki page on JSON-RPC?
367 2011-04-17 02:43:23 <lulzplzkthx> No, luke-jr. However bitcoin-php should be abstracting that for me. Maybe I don't understand the use, but "can_connect()" sounds like a pretty straightforward function.
368 2011-04-17 02:44:17 <luke-jr> it's not.
369 2011-04-17 02:44:39 <lulzplzkthx> I see.
370 2011-04-17 02:44:55 <lulzplzkthx> I will probably just use JSOn-RPC instead of the bitcoin-php library then.
371 2011-04-17 02:45:06 <lulzplzkthx> I have a few other issues with the library.
372 2011-04-17 02:45:15 <luke-jr> bitcoin-php just has a thin wrap around JSON-RPC from what I see
373 2011-04-17 02:45:44 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: also be sure to read https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Proper_Money_Handling_(JSON-RPC)
374 2011-04-17 02:45:53 <lulzplzkthx> luke-jr: just opened that in a background tab.
375 2011-04-17 02:47:53 <nanotube> luke-jr: wtf, bitcoind /is/ a cli client. seems you have come up with a new terminology recently? ;)
376 2011-04-17 02:48:14 <luke-jr> nanotube: CLI implies a human interface
377 2011-04-17 02:48:30 <luke-jr> not a quick "convert to RPC and pretty-print raw JSON"
378 2011-04-17 02:48:58 <nanotube> luke-jr: whatever, i'm not going to get into this discussion, and continue to call it the cli client.
379 2011-04-17 02:49:28 <nanotube> it's in ascii, therefore suitable for human consumption.
380 2011-04-17 02:57:57 <lfm> luke-jr I use the cli to do stuff with bitcoind all the time. its not difficult to understand for this human
381 2011-04-17 02:58:25 <luke-jr> not worth arguing over
382 2011-04-17 02:58:41 <lfm> so admit you're wrong?
383 2011-04-17 02:59:19 <nanotube> lfm: don't be like this guy. http://xkcd.com/386/ let it go.
384 2011-04-17 03:00:41 <lfm> its not bedtime for me yet
385 2011-04-17 03:19:58 <llama> whats the best way to import/export private keys?
386 2011-04-17 03:21:38 <lulzplzkthx> Is there a way to create an address with JSON0RPC?
387 2011-04-17 03:22:01 <lulzplzkthx> Sorry, found it.
388 2011-04-17 03:31:11 <lfm> llama: not really any official way
389 2011-04-17 03:34:34 <llama> thanks, I've seen about 10 half-baked solutions and 0 baked solutions...
390 2011-04-17 03:34:58 <lfm> llama: generally you just send the btc where you want em
391 2011-04-17 03:35:09 <llama> haha i realize that
392 2011-04-17 03:35:12 <sacarlson> ok now my original git build is no longer making any connection on -testnet in my virtualbox, I tried -noirc and deleted the wallet.dat file with no help
393 2011-04-17 03:35:42 <lulzplzkthx> Is there any kind of rules for addresses? Besides checking alphanumeric, how can I verify a valid address?
394 2011-04-17 03:35:46 <sacarlson> oh and it now also fails to connect on bitcoin net also
395 2011-04-17 03:36:22 <lfm> lulzplzkthx: ya, there is a checksum embedded
396 2011-04-17 03:36:57 <lulzplzkthx> Oh, validateaddress, thanks.
397 2011-04-17 03:43:06 <lulzplzkthx> Hmm...
398 2011-04-17 03:43:44 <lulzplzkthx> So I have setup a script which validates an address, and then creates an account called "Incoming from [address]" and outputs the new address. However maybe 1 or 2 out of 5 times, it throws a fatal exception that it can't connect to the server.
399 2011-04-17 03:43:49 <lulzplzkthx> Any ideas why?
400 2011-04-17 03:47:18 <lfm> lulzplzkthx: which call?
401 2011-04-17 03:49:41 <lulzplzkthx> getnewaddress
402 2011-04-17 03:49:49 <lulzplzkthx> However, I think I'ma bout to switch that for getaccountaddres
403 2011-04-17 03:50:08 <lulzplzkthx> getnewaddress wilreturn a new address even if there is alreayd an account by that name and will NOT overwrite that account. Thus you're left with a useless address outputted.
404 2011-04-17 03:50:21 <lulzplzkthx> getaccountaddress however does the opposite. It returns if one already exists, generates if not.
405 2011-04-17 03:51:07 <lulzplzkthx> getaccountaddress has the same issue though.
406 2011-04-17 03:51:22 <lulzplzkthx> Sorry, validateaddress is the call.
407 2011-04-17 03:51:36 <lulzplzkthx> Never mind, both of them.
408 2011-04-17 03:53:00 <lulzplzkthx> And here's another person with the bug, and I was just about to what they listed as a solution: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1408.0
409 2011-04-17 03:54:06 <robblesz> lulzplzkthx: I have the same problem, but not with just getnewaddress. All JSON-RPC calls fail randomly
410 2011-04-17 03:55:20 <lfm> try production version of bitcoin 0.3.20
411 2011-04-17 03:55:36 <lulzplzkthx> Yeah, exactly robblesz.
412 2011-04-17 03:55:41 <robblesz> I am using the 64-bit 0.3.20 client in debian
413 2011-04-17 03:55:42 <lulzplzkthx> lfm: I think that's what I'm using...
414 2011-04-17 03:56:05 <lfm> ok try git version?
415 2011-04-17 03:56:17 <robblesz> also, same problem in Fedora 64-bit. And with the bitcoind.exe in Windows XP
416 2011-04-17 03:56:41 <lulzplzkthx> I'm on Windows 7 64-bit, and bitcoind.exe itself has had no problems.
417 2011-04-17 03:56:42 <robblesz> lfm: I tried to build git, but I failed
418 2011-04-17 03:57:37 <robblesz> I wish I could find instructions for building a static bitcoind
419 2011-04-17 03:58:00 <lfm> file build-unix.txt
420 2011-04-17 03:58:13 <robblesz> That wasn't enough for me, unfortunately
421 2011-04-17 03:59:19 <robblesz> After heavily massaging the makefile I ended up with a big 34MB binary that wouldn't start
422 2011-04-17 04:12:30 <robblesz> I can always tell when a JSON-RPC call is going to fail when the debug log is outputting a certain pattern
423 2011-04-17 04:21:34 <ArtForz> eh?
424 2011-04-17 04:28:49 <robblesz> I've noticed that when the debug log is filling up with something like http://pastebin.com/Xd0SMtKS , JSON-RPC/cli commands will fail all of the time
425 2011-04-17 04:30:12 <ArtForz> running release or nightly build ?
426 2011-04-17 04:30:27 <robblesz> release, where can I get a nightly build?
427 2011-04-17 04:31:28 <ArtForz> hmm... I couldv'e sworn there was a post in dev forum with nightlies
428 2011-04-17 04:32:33 <tcatm> http://bitcoin.bluematt.me/bitcoin-nightly/
429 2011-04-17 04:33:26 <ArtForz> cool
430 2011-04-17 04:33:46 <ArtForz> as there are known deadlocks in RPC interface in sendfrom and some of the account functions, fixed in git
431 2011-04-17 04:33:54 <lfm> robblesz: those are block chain download messages. you should make sure your node is up to date with the block chain before you start other functions
432 2011-04-17 04:34:09 <ArtForz> yeah
433 2011-04-17 04:34:26 <ArtForz> hitting one of those 2 pretty much locks up anything wallet related
434 2011-04-17 04:34:46 <robblesz> lfm: yeah, I know. It also crashes after it's got a up-to-date blockchain, but I haven't found any correlation with the debug.log in that case
435 2011-04-17 04:34:54 <ArtForz> wtf, weird
436 2011-04-17 04:35:19 <robblesz> This pattern of a bitcoind instance downloading the blockchain does not exhibit any problems: http://pastebin.com/FRqtKu1E
437 2011-04-17 04:36:03 <ArtForz> yep, looks perfectly fine for a log of a run with -debug
438 2011-04-17 04:36:12 <robblesz> it's only when I see lots of consecutive SetBestChain lines
439 2011-04-17 04:39:16 <ArtForz> hummm
440 2011-04-17 04:40:09 <robblesz> tcatm: do you happen to know who is the person behind bitcoin.bluematt.me ?
441 2011-04-17 04:40:23 <tcatm> robblesz: BlueMatt
442 2011-04-17 04:40:25 <ArtForz> bluematt would be a good guess
443 2011-04-17 04:40:30 <robblesz> ah, duh
444 2011-04-17 04:40:33 <robblesz> thanks
445 2011-04-17 04:47:43 <sacarlson> I'm not sure what I did but now I get connections on my virtualbox on real bitcoin net after rebooting it ubuntu 10.10 git build, I made sure my host box wasn't running when I started
446 2011-04-17 04:57:29 <necrodearia> more development and discussion needed in #bitcoin-ads
447 2011-04-17 05:34:00 <jaromil> tcatm: any documentation for what those builds are?
448 2011-04-17 05:41:25 <sacarlson> what could cause my virtualbox from not connecting on -testnet? it seems to connect on normal bitcoin.  It gets as far as trying connection gives me last seen= -1.4hrs
449 2011-04-17 05:43:37 <sacarlson> maybe if I manualy add a node?
450 2011-04-17 05:52:03 <sacarlson> I just noted that my virtualbox and my host end up with the same address on IRC even after I reset (delete) the ./bitcoin directory, why is that?
451 2011-04-17 05:53:11 <lulzplzkthx> When does bitcoind consider funds added to the balance?
452 2011-04-17 05:53:24 <lulzplzkthx> After 1 confirm, 0 confirms, 6 confirms?
453 2011-04-17 05:53:49 <ArtForz> for gui, 1 confirm
454 2011-04-17 05:53:49 <sacarlson> lulzplzkthx: yes seems after 6 confirms you can spend it
455 2011-04-17 05:54:17 <lulzplzkthx> 1 or 6 o.o
456 2011-04-17 05:54:17 <sacarlson> ArtForz: 1 confirm?
457 2011-04-17 05:54:21 <ArtForz> yea
458 2011-04-17 05:54:25 <ArtForz> 1
459 2011-04-17 05:54:26 <lulzplzkthx> kk
460 2011-04-17 05:54:29 <lulzplzkthx> thanks
461 2011-04-17 05:54:35 <ArtForz> it still shows as unconfirmed, but it's added to balance and spendable
462 2011-04-17 05:54:50 <lulzplzkthx> okay.
463 2011-04-17 05:55:12 <sacarlson> lulzplzkthx: is that on testnet?
464 2011-04-17 05:57:46 <lulzplzkthx> sacarlson: is what on testnet?
465 2011-04-17 05:58:07 <sacarlson> lulzplzkthx: that you need to only wait for 1 confirm
466 2011-04-17 05:58:27 <sacarlson> lulzplzkthx: I'm not sure if they are the same or differnet
467 2011-04-17 05:58:45 <ArtForz> same on main and test, 1 conf
468 2011-04-17 06:00:02 <ArtForz> only difference between mainnet and testnet is that testnet has a different block chain with lower difficulty
469 2011-04-17 06:00:12 <lulzplzkthx> yeah, json-rpc is 1 conf by defalt
470 2011-04-17 06:01:08 <ArtForz> well, and different ports and the magic value for serialized binary data changed to make sure they never interact
471 2011-04-17 06:01:48 <ArtForz> wouldnt be much of a testnet if it worked significantly different from main ;)
472 2011-04-17 06:02:27 <lulzplzkthx> I've just about made a one page very simple lottery in PHP.
473 2011-04-17 06:02:51 <lulzplzkthx> nice, pretty, mysqli, prepared statemens, commented, :)
474 2011-04-17 06:05:09 <sacarlson> lulzplzkthx: what's the smalist ticket?  .01 btc work?
475 2011-04-17 06:05:17 <lulzplzkthx> not sure yet sacarlson
476 2011-04-17 06:05:23 <lulzplzkthx> tbh, I probably won't even be able to do it.
477 2011-04-17 06:05:33 <lulzplzkthx> A) I don't even have sufficient funds to test it.
478 2011-04-17 06:05:38 <lulzplzkthx> B) I'm not sure I'll be able to find hosting.
479 2011-04-17 06:06:08 <sacarlson> lulzplzkthx: why would hosting be a problem?  cause it's gambling?
480 2011-04-17 06:06:13 <lulzplzkthx> Indeed.
481 2011-04-17 06:06:36 <lulzplzkthx> I have a private shell / hosting some friends gave me, but I'd rather not have them liable for my "gambling with BTC"
482 2011-04-17 06:07:30 <sacarlson> I just host my own over my adsl then I guess you risk loosing your isp connection
483 2011-04-17 06:08:03 <lulzplzkthx> Yes, and considering I am 15 years old, I'd rather not do that to my parents...
484 2011-04-17 06:08:17 <sacarlson> lulzplzkthx: wow good point
485 2011-04-17 06:08:21 <lulzplzkthx> ;)
486 2011-04-17 06:10:36 <lulzplzkthx> I might sell the script for some BTC. :\n413409
487 2011-04-17 06:11:37 <sacarlson> I assume I can use this addnode=<ip> in the bitcoin.conf file instead of on the command line
488 2011-04-17 06:11:55 <lulzplzkthx> I think any command-line options work in bitcoin.conf, yes.
489 2011-04-17 06:12:29 <sacarlson> well hope this works
490 2011-04-17 06:13:25 <ArtForz> yep
491 2011-04-17 06:18:35 <sacarlson> wow the addnode at least got them talking to each other but now fails to connect to the rest of the network on -testnet
492 2011-04-17 06:19:09 <sacarlson> oh lets try that noirc thing
493 2011-04-17 06:21:27 <ArtForz> try -addnode=99.27.237.13
494 2011-04-17 06:23:03 <ArtForz> btw, sounds like IRC bootstrapping fails for you
495 2011-04-17 06:24:48 <lulzplzkthx> Anyone want to lend me like 1-2 BTC, so I can test my app? Lol
496 2011-04-17 06:25:23 <lulzplzkthx> I'm sitting here with .06 BTC, and the way I designed it requires 1 BTC. I'll send it right back after I do a bit of testing.
497 2011-04-17 06:25:27 <lulzplzkthx> ~15 mins, tops.
498 2011-04-17 06:26:04 <ArtForz> too bad the testnet faucet is also down, otherwise testing on testnet would be pretty damn easy
499 2011-04-17 06:26:19 <lulzplzkthx> THere's a testnet faucet too?
500 2011-04-17 06:26:23 <ArtForz> yea
501 2011-04-17 06:26:23 <lulzplzkthx> Why would that one be down? :S
502 2011-04-17 06:26:39 <lulzplzkthx> Like why could whoever cheated the first one want to cheat the testnet oen?
503 2011-04-17 06:26:45 <ArtForz> nah
504 2011-04-17 06:26:54 <ArtForz> probably just by mistake when disabling the normal faucet
505 2011-04-17 06:27:05 <ArtForz> testnet faucet iirc gives out 5 (or 50?) btc a pop
506 2011-04-17 06:27:10 <TD_> lulzplzkthx: you need coins on test or prod?
507 2011-04-17 06:27:25 <TD[home]> last time i tried testnet confirms took absolutely ages
508 2011-04-17 06:27:31 <ArtForz> depends
509 2011-04-17 06:27:41 <lulzplzkthx> TD[home]: either
510 2011-04-17 06:27:59 <TD[home]> lulzplzkthx: give me an address on prod, i'll send you a couple of coins
511 2011-04-17 06:28:01 <lulzplzkthx> There's no real difference on my webapp side, so yeah.
512 2011-04-17 06:28:10 <lfm> TD[home]: did you have a miner running?
513 2011-04-17 06:28:34 <ArtForz> when someone throws a $100 gpu on testnet, blocks do come pretty quickly ;)
514 2011-04-17 06:28:36 <TD[home]> no. with the current difficulty on testnet a cpu miner still takes ages. i fiddled with gpu mining a bit but my workstation has an nvidia card
515 2011-04-17 06:29:08 <ArtForz> ;;bc,calcd 80000 8.55
516 2011-04-17 06:29:08 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 80000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 8.55, is 7 minutes and 39 seconds
517 2011-04-17 06:30:00 <TD[home]> at some point i'll get it set up with the right drivers and software.
518 2011-04-17 06:31:07 <lulzplzkthx> Can you run bitcoin.exe with a -server switch?
519 2011-04-17 06:31:18 <ArtForz> yes
520 2011-04-17 06:31:20 <JFK911> do it
521 2011-04-17 06:31:35 <lulzplzkthx> >_> that would've made things easier for me the last 4 hours.
522 2011-04-17 06:31:38 <lulzplzkthx> just a little.
523 2011-04-17 06:31:46 <retinal> guise, guise
524 2011-04-17 06:31:50 <JFK911> and YOU were questioning MY insurance ideas
525 2011-04-17 06:31:50 <retinal> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Myths#Bitcoin_community_are_anarchist/conspiracy_theorist/gold_standard_weenies
526 2011-04-17 06:31:59 <lulzplzkthx> JFK911: :)
527 2011-04-17 06:32:09 <TD[home]> lulzplzkthx: sent
528 2011-04-17 06:32:19 <lulzplzkthx> Thank you TD[home]. I appreciate it.
529 2011-04-17 06:32:25 <TD[home]> np
530 2011-04-17 06:33:24 <lulzplzkthx> God, I really need a way to delete my items inmy address book. I created at least 20-30 trash addresses tonight.
531 2011-04-17 06:34:33 <sacarlson> ok I now see connection on both after putting another version of my custom build on my virtualbox it seems to work so I guess that vesion was broken?
532 2011-04-17 06:36:17 <lfm> lulzplzkthx: maybe just a way to hide addresses
533 2011-04-17 06:40:39 <lulzplzkthx> lfm: That would be nice too.
534 2011-04-17 06:40:43 <lulzplzkthx> is wallet.dat a sqlite file or?
535 2011-04-17 06:41:33 <ArtForz> bdb
536 2011-04-17 06:41:36 <lfm> berkley db
537 2011-04-17 06:42:45 <lulzplzkthx> i see.
538 2011-04-17 06:43:08 <lulzplzkthx> Hey you guys wanna hurry up and find a block for me? ;D
539 2011-04-17 06:43:18 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 583000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 17.09735567, is 2 minutes and 5 seconds
540 2011-04-17 06:43:18 <midnightmagic> ;;bc,calcd 583000 17.09735567
541 2011-04-17 06:43:39 <midnightmagic> how about i find a whole bunch of blocks in testnet for a little while!!
542 2011-04-17 06:43:47 <lulzplzkthx> midnightmagic: x.x
543 2011-04-17 06:47:08 <midnightmagic> on avg.. let's see...  every few seconds!
544 2011-04-17 06:47:56 <ArtForz> actual testnet diff is half that
545 2011-04-17 06:48:08 <ArtForz> testnet 1.0 diff = main net 0.5 diff
546 2011-04-17 06:50:04 <lfm> so test diff isnt really 17.09735567 it is 8.54861
547 2011-04-17 06:50:21 <lfm> or somthing
548 2011-04-17 06:50:23 <midnightmagic> gurk i keep forgetting that
549 2011-04-17 06:52:27 <ArtForz> yea
550 2011-04-17 06:53:18 <midnightmagic> lol i keep forgetting it often enough that you have now begun to remember that I keep forgetting that?
551 2011-04-17 06:53:58 <lfm> what was the rational for that rwist anyway, it seems pretty silly
552 2011-04-17 06:54:18 <ArtForz> what were we talking about?
553 2011-04-17 06:54:40 <lfm> the doubled difficulty in testnet
554 2011-04-17 06:54:52 <midnightmagic> <midnightmagic> gurk i keep forgetting that
555 2011-04-17 06:54:57 <midnightmagic> that's what i was joking about. :)
556 2011-04-17 06:56:14 <ArtForz> oh, you thought someone was talking to you?
557 2011-04-17 06:58:55 <midnightmagic> not really, but it would have been funny if you were.
558 2011-04-17 06:59:22 <ArtForz> ;)
559 2011-04-17 06:59:30 <Fullbring> whats up with the bitcoins pokerromom ?
560 2011-04-17 06:59:37 <Fullbring> lol *pokerroom
561 2011-04-17 06:59:42 <ArtForz> pokermoron?
562 2011-04-17 06:59:47 <lulzplzkthx> :( I stuffed all my coins in one transfer, and now they're stuck for 4 blocks so far becuase there's no fee... >_>
563 2011-04-17 07:00:11 <lfm> did the governemnt shut it down with all the other ones?
564 2011-04-17 07:00:54 <Fullbring> lol i was just asking for is there already one ?
565 2011-04-17 07:00:59 <midnightmagic> :)
566 2011-04-17 07:01:33 <lfm> betcoin.com?
567 2011-04-17 07:02:39 <Fullbring> nope
568 2011-04-17 07:02:47 <Fullbring> parking site
569 2011-04-17 07:03:17 <Fullbring> its betcoin.in in the developpment category of the forum
570 2011-04-17 07:03:21 <Fullbring> but not up for me
571 2011-04-17 07:04:23 <Fullbring> apparently its down for everybody
572 2011-04-17 07:04:36 <Fullbring> too bad
573 2011-04-17 07:05:54 <lfm> there have been a few attempts at gambling bitcoin sites, I guess none have caught on yet
574 2011-04-17 07:06:21 <manveru> i think there's a poker site up'n'running
575 2011-04-17 07:08:27 <lfm> only one I heard of was the betcoin one which seems to be down
576 2011-04-17 07:12:52 <Fullbring> yep and i think it was the original idea of genjix, doing a poker rake free soft
577 2011-04-17 07:15:32 <wnight> I'm trying to work on the payment for a p2p one.
578 2011-04-17 07:18:18 <midnightmagic> hey, person-who-runs sipa.be hashing graphs, bring back the old zoomed-in window versions
579 2011-04-17 07:21:04 <BlueMatt> I believe that might be sipa...
580 2011-04-17 07:25:34 <sipa> midnightmagic: working on it
581 2011-04-17 07:30:17 <lulzplzkthx> ffs the miners don't want to use transfer my money tonight :(
582 2011-04-17 07:34:08 <Fullbring> wondering at wich speed does the mining goes
583 2011-04-17 07:34:34 <Fullbring> ie im mining fo 24h how many bitcoins would i have made ?
584 2011-04-17 07:35:04 <lfm> Fullbring: what khash/s?
585 2011-04-17 07:35:18 <Fullbring> no idea !
586 2011-04-17 07:35:29 <Fullbring> 150 at benchmark test only thing i can told you
587 2011-04-17 07:35:38 <ArtForz> well... then the answer is "no idea !"
588 2011-04-17 07:35:49 <Fullbring> im at work atm i cannot told you this
589 2011-04-17 07:36:04 <Fullbring> you cannot give me an approximation for a pretty good computer ?
590 2011-04-17 07:36:08 <ArtForz> no
591 2011-04-17 07:36:11 <ArtForz> sipa: ping
592 2011-04-17 07:36:21 <sipa> ArtForz: yes?
593 2011-04-17 07:36:25 <ArtForz> hash rate graphs are b0rked
594 2011-04-17 07:36:39 <sipa> yes, working on it
595 2011-04-17 07:36:49 <ArtForz> cool
596 2011-04-17 07:39:57 <Fullbring> lol
597 2011-04-17 07:41:27 <lulzplzkthx> i'm so damn tired but i need this transaction to clear so i can go to sleep :(
598 2011-04-17 07:41:30 <lulzplzkthx> it's 5:41am.
599 2011-04-17 07:41:34 <lulzplzkthx> fml.
600 2011-04-17 07:42:01 <sipa> fixed
601 2011-04-17 07:42:08 <sipa> midnightmagic, ArtForz: pong
602 2011-04-17 07:43:13 <Fullbring> can somebody told me how many bitcoins hes mining in one day?
603 2011-04-17 07:43:23 <lulzplzkthx> no.
604 2011-04-17 07:43:31 <ersi> Fullbring: It really all comes down to the hardware you're running your mining client on. There's no 'standard rig' to compare to. But if you are CPU Mining (which.. is silly) you probably compute around 100-4000 hashes per second.. which is nothing
605 2011-04-17 07:43:42 <ersi> ;;bc,calc 4000
606 2011-04-17 07:43:43 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 4000 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 2 years, 41 weeks, 6 days, 9 hours, and 57 seconds
607 2011-04-17 07:43:58 <ersi> thats how long it'd take for you to get 50 BTC, if you were the only miner
608 2011-04-17 07:44:04 <lulzplzkthx> even with pool minign you're only making about .07 BTC a day.
609 2011-04-17 07:44:06 <ersi> with only cpumining
610 2011-04-17 07:44:18 <Fullbring> ok thanks
611 2011-04-17 07:44:37 <sipa> Fullbring: with high-end GPU's you can do up to 350Mhash/s
612 2011-04-17 07:44:47 <ersi> Fullbring: I compute at about 70MHash/s with my budget ATi 4850 graphics card
613 2011-04-17 07:45:00 <Fullbring> Thanks
614 2011-04-17 07:45:09 <ersi> A note however, it's way easier to do work for bitcoins :)
615 2011-04-17 07:45:12 <Fullbring> was just for having an idea
616 2011-04-17 07:45:22 <ersi> I've earned 40-50x more that way than mining :P
617 2011-04-17 08:17:47 <wnight> ersi: What do you do, that you bill for in BTC?
618 2011-04-17 08:18:57 <ersi> Consulting, sysadmin/web management services
619 2011-04-17 08:23:10 <lulzplzkthx> I believe my simple Bitcoin drawing script is complete.
620 2011-04-17 08:23:22 <lulzplzkthx> Drawing as in raffle.
621 2011-04-17 08:38:23 <sacarlson> cool at least I got testnet working again and seems my wallet was still good, so now time to back it up even though it's just testnet
622 2011-04-17 08:39:29 <sacarlson> I guess the addnode was what it needed
623 2011-04-17 08:42:33 <Arianit> hi guys I need some installation help. I get this when clicking on bitcoin: Cannot obtain a lock on data directory /home/arianit/.bitcoin.  Bitcoin is probably already running.
624 2011-04-17 08:45:04 <sipa> that means it's already running :D
625 2011-04-17 08:50:13 <sacarlson> Arianit: what did you install it on? Ubunut?
626 2011-04-17 08:50:20 <sacarlson> ubuntu
627 2011-04-17 08:51:20 <Arianit> sacarlson: yes
628 2011-04-17 08:51:24 <Arianit> 11.04
629 2011-04-17 08:51:45 <sacarlson> Arianit: oh I've only tried 10.04 and 10.10
630 2011-04-17 08:52:06 <sacarlson> Arianit: what did you use the ppa?
631 2011-04-17 08:52:17 <Arianit> sipa: I don???t see the GUI
632 2011-04-17 08:52:40 <sipa> Arianit: do ps ax | fgrep bitcoin
633 2011-04-17 08:52:43 <Arianit> both the official download as well as the ppa
634 2011-04-17 08:53:06 <sipa> or are you running bitcoind? in that case there is no gui
635 2011-04-17 08:53:24 <sacarlson> Arianit: I found that the ppa I tried was a bit old to use for -testnet but worked in the real money side
636 2011-04-17 08:54:00 <Arianit> 2246 ?        Sl     0:06 /home/arianit/Desktop/bitcoin/bitcoin-0.3.20.2/bin/32/bitcoin  3439 ?        Sl     0:00 /home/arianit/Desktop/bitcoin/bitcoin-0.3.20.2/bin/32/bitcoin
637 2011-04-17 08:54:22 <Arianit> no I clicked on bitcoin
638 2011-04-17 08:54:41 <sacarlson> Arianit: that sounds good anything over 0.3.19 works in -testnet
639 2011-04-17 08:55:15 <Arianit> the thing is I don???t see the gui
640 2011-04-17 08:55:37 <sacarlson> Arianit:  on 10.10 I only tried the bitcoind that is the command line version
641 2011-04-17 08:56:16 <Arianit> any other ppa out there other than stretch
642 2011-04-17 08:56:24 <sacarlson> Arianit: problem I had on the gui version is that I couldnt find the libs in ubuntu to run them
643 2011-04-17 08:57:04 <sacarlson> Arianit: you should try kill the bitcoin and try the bitcoind
644 2011-04-17 09:00:54 <sacarlson> ariant: the older one I found on ppa that was 0.3.19 used an older graphic lib that worked in gui mode for real money but is no longer supported in -testnet
645 2011-04-17 09:03:00 <lulzplzkthx> Why is getbalance telling me my balance is 5.87 on one account when it's 1.96?
646 2011-04-17 09:03:52 <Arianit> sacarlson: which one is that?
647 2011-04-17 09:05:14 <sacarlson> Arianit: that being the ppa?  it's the only one I found on standard ppa for ubuntu
648 2011-04-17 09:06:41 <sacarlson> Arianit: same one you said stretch
649 2011-04-17 09:06:52 <Arianit> sacarlson: I see. thanks!
650 2011-04-17 09:07:57 <sacarlson> Arianit: they have another gui that drives the bitcoind that I havn't tried yet
651 2011-04-17 09:08:12 <sacarlson> not sure were to find it
652 2011-04-17 09:54:01 <soconfusedmp> Whats a good hash rate?
653 2011-04-17 09:54:18 <sipa> for what?
654 2011-04-17 09:54:25 <da2ce7> anything +500Mhash/s
655 2011-04-17 09:54:25 <soconfusedmp> Mining
656 2011-04-17 09:54:26 <soconfusedmp> idk
657 2011-04-17 09:54:27 <soconfusedmp> lol
658 2011-04-17 09:54:35 <sipa> for a cell phone, 500khash/s is nice
659 2011-04-17 09:54:44 <sipa> for a high-end gpu, 600Mhash/s is nice
660 2011-04-17 09:54:59 <soconfusedmp> Cellphone mining?
661 2011-04-17 09:55:05 <soconfusedmp> Thats a first I've never heard of that
662 2011-04-17 09:55:19 <sipa> someone had a miner running on a nokia n900
663 2011-04-17 09:55:28 <sipa> not useful of course
664 2011-04-17 09:56:40 <mtrlt> :D
665 2011-04-17 09:57:32 <noagendamarket> battery life would be awful :0
666 2011-04-17 09:58:03 <noagendamarket> how hot does it get in your pocket ?
667 2011-04-17 09:58:34 <sipa> i wouldn't know
668 2011-04-17 09:59:00 <soconfusedmp> If someone where to list their bitcoins on the market
669 2011-04-17 09:59:03 <soconfusedmp> does it usually take some time
670 2011-04-17 09:59:09 <soconfusedmp> to sell
671 2011-04-17 09:59:55 <sipa> depends on the price
672 2011-04-17 10:00:08 <soconfusedmp> market rate
673 2011-04-17 10:00:19 <sipa> which market rate?
674 2011-04-17 10:00:37 <soconfusedmp> idk lol
675 2011-04-17 10:00:44 <soconfusedmp> <- so confused
676 2011-04-17 10:00:46 <sipa> haha
677 2011-04-17 10:01:02 <sipa> people choose the price the offer bitcoins at, and choose the price they're willing to buy them at
678 2011-04-17 10:01:03 <Keefe> at the right price, you can sell 20,000 instantly :)
679 2011-04-17 10:06:15 <soconfusedmp> Well im looking to buy 20,000 instantly
680 2011-04-17 10:06:20 <soconfusedmp> so Im looking for that right price
681 2011-04-17 10:06:23 <soconfusedmp> :)
682 2011-04-17 10:08:06 <sipa> you can buy 10000 BTC at mtgox for 0.796 USD/BTC instantly
683 2011-04-17 10:08:23 <sipa> wait
684 2011-04-17 10:08:31 <sipa> sell, not buy!
685 2011-04-17 10:11:52 <Keefe> at less than $1.50, you can buy 20k instantly, assuming you have the $ in mtgox
686 2011-04-17 10:12:15 <Keefe> the price will probably be closer to $1.20
687 2011-04-17 10:12:42 <Keefe> as i suspect there are significant dark asks below that
688 2011-04-17 10:33:35 <robblesz> does anyone know what linux distribution the official bitcoin release is built in? "build-unix.txt" mentions apt-get, so perhaps ubuntu?
689 2011-04-17 10:37:11 <Fullbring> think so
690 2011-04-17 10:42:09 <Pander> I have build problems on ubuntu 10.10 with ATI OpenCL, according to http://forums.amd.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=390&threadid=143286 should upgrading kernel solve the problem
691 2011-04-17 10:42:38 <Pander> however, new kernel is kept behind. perhaps because I have a server kernel installed too which is lagging behind in version?
692 2011-04-17 10:43:24 <Keefe> i use debian stable (squeeze)
693 2011-04-17 10:45:01 <Keefe> fglrx 10.9, stream sdk 2.1
694 2011-04-17 10:45:48 <Keefe> untar the icd, set DISPLAY and a couple other env vars, and all's good
695 2011-04-17 10:47:18 <robblesz> Keefe: just curious, have you ever built bitcoind on squeeze?
696 2011-04-17 10:51:57 <sacarlson> ok my proto coin is one step close my two systems see the first block created,  One question I have is why do I still have 9 connections on one when I addeded connect=X.X.X.X to only connect to one system?
697 2011-04-17 10:52:10 <luke-jr> robblesz: just backport the official package&
698 2011-04-17 10:53:00 <noagendamarket> what will your proto coin be called sacarlson ?
699 2011-04-17 10:53:32 <Keefe> robblesz: yes
700 2011-04-17 10:53:34 <sacarlson> noagendamarket:  I don't know I never thought about that how about protocoin
701 2011-04-17 10:53:44 <Keefe> from the source at github
702 2011-04-17 10:53:44 <sipa> what is this protocoin?
703 2011-04-17 10:54:12 <robblesz> Keefe: cool. were you able to satisfy all of the dependencies using only official apt repositories?
704 2011-04-17 10:54:42 <sacarlson> I guess for it to start I will need to create 120 blocks before I can turn off the only minner on the protocoin net
705 2011-04-17 10:54:58 <Keefe> i didn't need the gui, so i built just bitcoind, and yes, was easy to fulfil dependencies with only the official debian repos
706 2011-04-17 10:54:58 <robblesz> luke-jr: I have problems with release and need to try git
707 2011-04-17 10:55:20 <robblesz> Keefe: thanks, I will try squeeze then. It failed on Lenny but I guess that's not surprising
708 2011-04-17 10:55:27 <sacarlson> sipa: the protocoin is just an experiment to see how one creates new coins
709 2011-04-17 10:55:37 <luke-jr> robblesz: you'll probably need the hack the makefile
710 2011-04-17 10:55:41 <sipa> testnet?
711 2011-04-17 10:55:52 <robblesz> luke-jr: how so?
712 2011-04-17 10:55:56 <sacarlson> sipa: yes it's a clone of testnet
713 2011-04-17 10:56:00 <sipa> what for?
714 2011-04-17 10:56:02 <Keefe> i did have one little complication. iirc, it complained about needing gthread. i needed to install an unexpected pkg to get that
715 2011-04-17 10:56:02 <luke-jr> robblesz: s/static/dynamic/
716 2011-04-17 10:56:16 <robblesz> luke-jr: gotcha.
717 2011-04-17 10:56:23 <robblesz> Keefe: yeah, I had that issue on Fedora too
718 2011-04-17 10:56:33 <robblesz> or maybe it was pthread
719 2011-04-17 10:56:42 <sacarlson> sipa: to see if it's viable to be used in the trade of other finacial instruments
720 2011-04-17 10:57:27 <Keefe> robblesz: libglib2.0-dev
721 2011-04-17 10:57:35 <Keefe> that solved it
722 2011-04-17 10:57:46 <robblesz> Cool, I will keep that in mind
723 2011-04-17 10:58:09 <luke-jr> I still need real TN BTC
724 2011-04-17 10:58:19 <Keefe> testnet?
725 2011-04-17 10:58:22 <Keefe> i have plenty
726 2011-04-17 10:58:24 <sacarlson> sipa: but it seems there are more hardcoded address that seem to keep it linked to the original testnet for resons I havn't figured out yet
727 2011-04-17 10:58:50 <luke-jr> mxwBdraSJzdRLA3novDCrsRrYdawtQLZo9
728 2011-04-17 10:59:02 <Keefe> how much do you want. i think i have 4k
729 2011-04-17 10:59:15 <luke-jr> Keefe: shrug
730 2011-04-17 10:59:20 <Keefe> i'll give you 1k
731 2011-04-17 10:59:23 <luke-jr> all the same to me lol
732 2011-04-17 10:59:27 <luke-jr> Keefe: wanna send it in chunks?
733 2011-04-17 10:59:35 <Keefe> is there enough mining in testnet to get confirmation quickly enough?
734 2011-04-17 10:59:42 <luke-jr> probably not.
735 2011-04-17 10:59:44 <luke-jr> difficulty is too high
736 2011-04-17 10:59:59 <luke-jr> I left my system mining all night, but only get 1 every 2 hours or so
737 2011-04-17 11:00:26 <sacarlson> Keefe: testnet earlier took me about 1 hour to confirm
738 2011-04-17 11:00:28 <Keefe> i suppose i could put 1.8 ghash/s on it for a few minutes if that's all it needs
739 2011-04-17 11:00:53 <gribble> (bc,calcd <an alias, 2 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo The average time to generate a block at $1 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of $2, is [time elapsed [math calc 1/((2**224-1)/$2*$1*1000/2**256)]]".
740 2011-04-17 11:00:53 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calcd 1800000373.71147262
741 2011-04-17 11:00:55 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1800000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 373.71147262, is 14 minutes and 51 seconds
742 2011-04-17 11:00:55 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calcd 1800000 373.71147262
743 2011-04-17 11:01:06 <luke-jr> Keefe: you probably made it this high XD
744 2011-04-17 11:01:10 <Keefe> heh
745 2011-04-17 11:01:37 <ArtForz> huh?
746 2011-04-17 11:01:38 <Keefe> nah, 80 blocks in a few minutes couldn't do that i don't think?
747 2011-04-17 11:01:44 <ArtForz> testnet is at 8.5 diff
748 2011-04-17 11:01:47 <Keefe> it was 8.5 when i did that
749 2011-04-17 11:02:13 <sacarlson> ArtForz: my protocoin is at 1.0000
750 2011-04-17 11:02:21 <ArtForz> old testnet was at 300something
751 2011-04-17 11:02:37 <ArtForz> and that was mostly me
752 2011-04-17 11:03:42 <Keefe> luke-jr: how many chunks should i divide 1k in for you?
753 2011-04-17 11:06:09 <Pander> Where does one find the drivers for ATI Radeon cards? Do you need to install X.org and that will take of it?
754 2011-04-17 11:06:41 <ArtForz> you need atis binary closed-source driver, usually called fglrx
755 2011-04-17 11:06:52 <luke-jr> Keefe: shrug
756 2011-04-17 11:07:06 <luke-jr> ArtForz: 373&
757 2011-04-17 11:07:24 <ArtForz> 373 what?
758 2011-04-17 11:07:30 <luke-jr> ArtForz: that's current testnet difficulty
759 2011-04-17 11:07:42 <Pander> ArtForz: apt-get install fglrx ?
760 2011-04-17 11:07:45 <Keefe> are you still on an old testnet?
761 2011-04-17 11:07:50 <luke-jr> shouldn't be?
762 2011-04-17 11:07:58 <Keefe> then what about me?
763 2011-04-17 11:08:17 <ArtForz> blockexplorer says block 13910 and difficulty 8.55
764 2011-04-17 11:08:24 <Keefe> i have connections, 13278 blocks, and diff 17 (8.5x mainnet diff)
765 2011-04-17 11:08:29 <ArtForz> 373 something was old testnet iirc
766 2011-04-17 11:08:38 <ArtForz> yep
767 2011-04-17 11:08:45 <ArtForz> that sounds like new testnet
768 2011-04-17 11:08:49 <luke-jr> keypoololdest is Tue Feb  8 18:03:00 2011 PST
769 2011-04-17 11:09:06 <luke-jr> 8 connections
770 2011-04-17 11:09:07 <ArtForz> what does that have to do with anything?
771 2011-04-17 11:09:09 <luke-jr> 28615 blocks
772 2011-04-17 11:09:23 <ArtForz> yep, thats old testnet
773 2011-04-17 11:09:27 <luke-jr> how? :/
774 2011-04-17 11:09:30 <Keefe> version 32100 here
775 2011-04-17 11:09:30 <luke-jr> I've only ever used .20+
776 2011-04-17 11:09:37 <luke-jr> Keefe: same here
777 2011-04-17 11:09:47 <ArtForz> no clue, but thats definitely old testnet
778 2011-04-17 11:10:45 <sacarlson> one thing I noted on what I see was done in git at the reset of -testnet was the value change of block.nNonce so far I havn't changed that what problem might that cause?
779 2011-04-17 11:10:46 <ArtForz> my last old-testnet block was 28223 at diff 373.7
780 2011-04-17 11:11:33 <luke-jr> if I nuke the .bitcoin/testnet, but save wallet.dat, should I keep the keys on new testnet?
781 2011-04-17 11:11:43 <ArtForz> whats the point?
782 2011-04-17 11:11:59 <luke-jr> apparently Keefe and others(?) sent me some?
783 2011-04-17 11:12:14 <Keefe> i can send more. i don't really care
784 2011-04-17 11:12:44 <luke-jr> not getting any connections now
785 2011-04-17 11:12:56 <ArtForz> I still don't quite get how you managed to end up on old testnet with 0.3.20.x ...
786 2011-04-17 11:13:02 <luke-jr> me either
787 2011-04-17 11:13:03 <sacarlson> luke-jr you should have got the coins I sent you since I got the ones I sent my other system
788 2011-04-17 11:14:25 <Keefe> i seem to not have all the blocks yet. 13296
789 2011-04-17 11:14:34 <Keefe> going to stop and start...
790 2011-04-17 11:14:50 <sacarlson> luke-jr I wonder if it's me causing the problem since I now have 8 conections where I should only have 1
791 2011-04-17 11:14:51 <Keefe> i don't have a port forwarded to this pc
792 2011-04-17 11:18:33 <Keefe> anyone have all 13910 testnet blocks so i can connect and catch up?
793 2011-04-17 11:18:58 <Keefe> having trouble getting them with just the usual connections
794 2011-04-17 11:20:01 <Keefe> i just need an ip address of someone with the latest chain
795 2011-04-17 11:21:13 <ArtForz> how bout blockexplorer?
796 2011-04-17 11:21:42 <ArtForz> and afaict 13910 *is* the latest block
797 2011-04-17 11:21:50 <ArtForz> at least my testnet node and BE say so
798 2011-04-17 11:24:03 <Keefe> ah nice. i didn't realize i could just connect to BE that way
799 2011-04-17 11:24:28 <sipa> or mining.bitcoin.cz
800 2011-04-17 11:24:32 <sipa> or bitcoin.sipa.be :)
801 2011-04-17 11:24:37 <sipa> or any of the other fallback nodes
802 2011-04-17 11:24:40 <Keefe> testnet?
803 2011-04-17 11:24:49 <sipa> ah, testnet
804 2011-04-17 11:25:03 <ArtForz> yeah, be has a open testnet node ;)
805 2011-04-17 11:25:06 <sipa> bitcoin.sipa.be did run a testnet node, but i believe it's currently off
806 2011-04-17 11:25:33 <Keefe> does testnet use a different port?
807 2011-04-17 11:25:37 <luke-jr> aha
808 2011-04-17 11:25:38 <luke-jr> nice
809 2011-04-17 11:25:43 <luke-jr> Keefe: yes
810 2011-04-17 11:25:45 <sacarlson> well my ruff calulation is I have to run this for 20 hours to capture the first block so I wonder if I should change the port address before I run it that long to be sure it won't cause a problem to the real testnet
811 2011-04-17 11:29:03 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 14000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 17, is 1 hour, 26 minutes, and 55 seconds
812 2011-04-17 11:29:03 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calcd 14000 17
813 2011-04-17 11:29:08 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calcd 365000 17
814 2011-04-17 11:29:09 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 365000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 17, is 3 minutes and 20 seconds
815 2011-04-17 11:29:20 <Keefe> luke-jr: all good now? got the tnbtc i sent?
816 2011-04-17 11:29:24 <luke-jr> nope
817 2011-04-17 11:29:25 <Keefe> 1k
818 2011-04-17 11:29:39 <Keefe> do i need to send to a new addr?
819 2011-04-17 11:29:41 <luke-jr> maybe
820 2011-04-17 11:29:56 <ArtForz> it's 8.5 *headdesk*
821 2011-04-17 11:30:16 <ArtForz> testnet 1.0 diff = mainnet 0.5 diff
822 2011-04-17 11:32:28 <luke-jr> ok, got them
823 2011-04-17 11:32:31 <jaromil> autotools branch, comments? https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/162 http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=5813.msg88000#msg88000
824 2011-04-17 11:32:31 <luke-jr> Keefe: ty
825 2011-04-17 11:32:35 <luke-jr> ArtForz: ty
826 2011-04-17 11:32:36 <luke-jr> sacarlson: ty
827 2011-04-17 11:33:03 <luke-jr> now I need an address to send them to
828 2011-04-17 11:33:13 <jaromil> i'm still compiling wx 2.9.1, however all build goes smooth, ./configure includes --enable-upnp and --enable-gui=wx
829 2011-04-17 11:33:42 <luke-jr> jaromil: including --enable-upnp=0/1 ?
830 2011-04-17 11:33:45 <luke-jr> (or yes/no)
831 2011-04-17 11:33:59 <jaromil> needing help to test on win32 and osx. gasteve what do you think?
832 2011-04-17 11:34:11 <luke-jr> jaromil: cross-compile :D
833 2011-04-17 11:34:17 <jaromil> luke-jr: right now upnp is off by default and --enable-upnp does the trick
834 2011-04-17 11:34:23 <gat3way> ;;bc,calcd 239000
835 2011-04-17 11:34:23 <gribble> (bc,calcd <an alias, 2 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo The average time to generate a block at $1 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of $2, is [time elapsed [math calc 1/((2**224-1)/$2*$1*1000/2**256)]]".
836 2011-04-17 11:34:29 <luke-jr> jaromil: it's tristate
837 2011-04-17 11:34:30 <jaromil> i have cross-compilation setup for mipsel targets but i guess that won't work....
838 2011-04-17 11:34:39 <luke-jr> jaromil: not-compile, off-by-default, on-by-default
839 2011-04-17 11:35:16 <Fullbring> in which language is bitcoins developed ?
840 2011-04-17 11:35:21 <Fullbring> C ?
841 2011-04-17 11:35:27 <luke-jr> Fullbring: the wx client and bitcoind are C++
842 2011-04-17 11:35:36 <Fullbring> yep oki
843 2011-04-17 11:35:37 <luke-jr> Fullbring: Spesmilo is Python/PySide
844 2011-04-17 11:35:57 <Fullbring> Spesmilo is for generating coins right ?
845 2011-04-17 11:36:10 <jaromil> luke-jr: i don't understand, can you give me an example?
846 2011-04-17 11:36:50 <luke-jr> jaromil: make USE_UPNP= # results in a bitcoind that does not link to libminiupnpc at all, and has no upnp-related options
847 2011-04-17 11:37:05 <luke-jr> jaromil: make USE_UPNP=0 # results in a bitcoind that requires libminiupnpc, but only uses it if you pass -upnp
848 2011-04-17 11:37:16 <luke-jr> jaromil: make USE_UPNP=1 # results in a bitcoind that requires libminiupnpc, and uses it unless you pass -noupnp
849 2011-04-17 11:37:37 <jaromil> luke-jr: ACK.
850 2011-04-17 11:38:07 <jaromil> luke-jr: i can implement that now. do you prefer 0/1 or yes/no ?
851 2011-04-17 11:38:13 <gasteve> jaromil: I can, but won't get to it today most likely (got a busy day) btw, I agree about a mailing list...the forum is not the greatest for keeping up to date on things ...I wonder if there's a way you can get an email feed from the forum
852 2011-04-17 11:38:36 <jaromil> gasteve: no idea, but i love the mail feed from github
853 2011-04-17 11:38:46 <luke-jr> jaromil: I prefer whatever the standard for such things is
854 2011-04-17 11:38:56 <jaromil> luke-jr: standard is yes/no
855 2011-04-17 11:40:31 <gasteve> btw, I don't know if you saw, but I added support for unit tests yesterday (based on the boost unit test framework)...just put a couple trivial unit tests in place to give an example how to do it (and wrote a README explaining how to add new tests)
856 2011-04-17 11:46:04 <eps2> someone bought 200k worth of bitcoin, anyone know anything about that?
857 2011-04-17 11:47:40 <jaromil> gasteve: that's awesome :D
858 2011-04-17 11:48:09 <jaromil> gasteve: test units are very important
859 2011-04-17 11:50:46 <gasteve> yes, the future of the world's monetary system deserves it ;)
860 2011-04-17 11:52:09 <kiba> eps2: where?
861 2011-04-17 11:52:33 <jaromil> gasteve: my doubt with your branch is just the extreme breakout into classes that you've made
862 2011-04-17 11:52:47 <jaromil> if you can live without that, i guess we can merge branches easily
863 2011-04-17 11:53:18 <jaromil> i don't exclude code reorganization, but my point now is just autotools and i'd rather concentrate on that
864 2011-04-17 11:53:21 <gasteve> what's the alternative?
865 2011-04-17 11:53:51 <jaromil> https://github.com/jaromil/bitcoin
866 2011-04-17 11:53:56 <gasteve> (I plan on looking at your autotools work and incorporating it, btw)
867 2011-04-17 11:53:57 <jaromil> keep all the actual sources
868 2011-04-17 11:54:10 <kiba> hmm
869 2011-04-17 11:54:16 <jaromil> ehr, https://github.com/jaromil/bitcoin/tree/autotools
870 2011-04-17 11:54:21 <kiba> more and more computers are covering up planet earth...
871 2011-04-17 11:54:25 <jaromil> sources are untouched with two exceptions
872 2011-04-17 11:54:51 <gasteve> jaromil: half of the code in the originals are in *.h file...it doesn't lend itself well to reuse for libraries...separating the wallet from the peer, etc
873 2011-04-17 11:55:12 <jaromil> gasteve: i agree 100%
874 2011-04-17 11:55:17 <jaromil> but its just about the process
875 2011-04-17 11:55:25 <jaromil> i understand there are a lot of people on the code already
876 2011-04-17 11:55:35 <jaromil> and its best to make intelligible every single change
877 2011-04-17 11:55:44 <jaromil> so that everyone has an overview on commits
878 2011-04-17 11:55:54 <gasteve> I decided to go all the way to one file per class because it was the simplest strategy (rather than try and somehow decide which classes should co-reside in the same files)
879 2011-04-17 11:56:17 <jaromil> but then i'd make that a pull request on its own, see what i'm saying?
880 2011-04-17 11:56:38 <jaromil> ultimately, its just easier for people to follow
881 2011-04-17 11:57:18 <gasteve> jaromil: I agree with the point about seeing every change...you can diff my branch with the main easy enough though ...and doing a reorg like that one small change at a time would very tedious to say the least
882 2011-04-17 12:02:39 <gasteve> also, I'm not really going to lobby for a pull request on the main...instead I plan to keep my branch in sync with the changes on the main branch...get it building easily everywhere ...and use it as the basis for another project I'm working on
883 2011-04-17 12:03:54 <gasteve> it's just easier for me to reuse of the code the way I have it structured and keeping it in sync with the main branch isn't much work
884 2011-04-17 12:03:59 <gasteve> (git makes it really easy)
885 2011-04-17 12:06:12 <sacarlson> gasteve: git is cool, I like my gitg that is a gui you can click around and see changes and branches made over time and authors
886 2011-04-17 12:06:13 <jaromil> gasteve: ack. yep :) plz lemme know if you have new things up, i'll keep an eye on the test units
887 2011-04-17 12:06:35 <jaromil> git is more than cool.. git is forever :D
888 2011-04-17 12:07:14 <sacarlson> how would I release my git branch?
889 2011-04-17 12:07:46 <gasteve> just push it to github and give people a link (my branch is http://github.com/gasteve/bitcoin)
890 2011-04-17 12:08:31 <sacarlson> gasteve: does that push the hole copy or just the diff off master?
891 2011-04-17 12:09:08 <gasteve> git decides internally whether to store compressed deltas or a full copy
892 2011-04-17 12:12:01 <gasteve> for any give file, or directory in your commit, there is a sha1 hash that is its identity and that is a hash of the full file (even if only deltas are actually stored...the used of deltas is just a storage optimization)
893 2011-04-17 12:12:08 <gasteve> *use of deltas
894 2011-04-17 12:12:45 <jaromil> luke-jr: https://github.com/jaromil/bitcoin/commit/ec40e0abad81b14be39a35ad3a82e6b1068c6912
895 2011-04-17 12:12:54 <jaromil> gotta go, bbl
896 2011-04-17 12:18:09 <sacarlson> ok I created a github.com account,  I wonder if my gitg will do the commit to it for me
897 2011-04-17 12:24:35 <gasteve> how is "gitg" compared with "git gui" ?  (I've not used gitg before ...and not sure it would work on my Mac...but I do have a couple Linux machines too)
898 2011-04-17 12:31:01 <luke-jr> sacarlson: boo
899 2011-04-17 12:31:29 <sacarlson> luke-jr what's up?
900 2011-04-17 12:31:44 <luke-jr> sacarlson: GitHub sucks. Use Gitorious ;)
901 2011-04-17 12:32:59 <sacarlson> luke-jr gitorious is that another site?
902 2011-04-17 12:33:27 <luke-jr> https://gitorious.org/bitcoin/bitcoind
903 2011-04-17 12:33:51 <nanotube> gasteve: gitg rocks. it's like gitk, only better, and faster. git-gui does some other stuff in addition to just viewing the repo