1 2011-04-18 00:00:16 <noagendamarket> hes from planet x :x
2 2011-04-18 00:00:31 <brycek> from planet XD
3 2011-04-18 00:00:58 <Diablo-D3> from my dick, which is so big its often confused for a planet
4 2011-04-18 00:01:06 <kiba> and that who Satoshi Nakamoto is
5 2011-04-18 00:01:11 <brycek> uh i think you mean atomic nucleus
6 2011-04-18 00:01:22 <Diablo-D3> ask your mom
7 2011-04-18 00:01:33 <Diablo-D3> shes currently staying with a lesbian collective living on the surface of my dick
8 2011-04-18 00:01:34 <brycek> you are lucky she has electron microscope access
9 2011-04-18 00:01:46 <lulzplzkthx> Satoshi is like the writer of the Bible. He was just writing a story and people took him seriously.
10 2011-04-18 00:01:54 <lulzplzkthx> ^ Why he disappeared.
11 2011-04-18 00:02:07 <Diablo-D3> Satoshi is really Chuck Norris.
12 2011-04-18 00:02:09 <Diablo-D3> There, I said it.
13 2011-04-18 00:02:27 <lulzplzkthx> Who wants to bet Al Gore will claim to be Satoshi?
14 2011-04-18 00:02:37 <lulzplzkthx> After all, since he invented the Internet...
15 2011-04-18 00:02:38 <Diablo-D3> no, he just invented Satoshi
16 2011-04-18 00:04:16 <lulzplzkthx> Why isn't data directory an option in the Bitcoin Client Settings?
17 2011-04-18 00:04:25 <lulzplzkthx> Oh, can it go in bitcoin.conf?
18 2011-04-18 00:08:05 <xelister> I know true identity of Satoshi
19 2011-04-18 00:08:14 <lulzplzkthx> It's me.
20 2011-04-18 00:08:17 <xelister> there is a movie about him. actually few years old
21 2011-04-18 00:09:34 <lulzplzkthx> I'm going to make a Bitcoin bank...
22 2011-04-18 00:09:38 <xelister> 10 BTC to 17W4JTWiXTNjhiqGsfe2pKRUrn7f4SaGf5 to get me to say where I found reference to possible satoshi like guy ;) (its probably not true, but cool, and it is old ;)
23 2011-04-18 00:10:02 <jgarzik> lulzplzkthx: I'll sell you bitbanc.com for bitcoins, if you have a reasonable bid
24 2011-04-18 00:11:55 <lulzplzkthx> Lol, I change my mind. I dont' have the time to do that.
25 2011-04-18 00:12:08 <lulzplzkthx> It would be neat to see one though.
26 2011-04-18 00:12:40 <lulzplzkthx> xelister: japanese video game designer who created pokemon?
27 2011-04-18 00:12:53 <xelister> lulzplzkthx: nope
28 2011-04-18 00:14:09 <lulzplzkthx> wha's opencoin?
29 2011-04-18 00:14:12 <xelister> someone that could pass for Satoshi for few reasons, was feautured in a video, that was actually well-known (10,000,000+ audiance). curious to know what it was - 10 btc :P
30 2011-04-18 00:14:38 <lulzplzkthx> xelister: if i had the btc :P
31 2011-04-18 00:14:54 <xelister> lulzplzkthx: you can buy for 15 usd @ mtgox or others =)
32 2011-04-18 00:15:02 <luke-jr> xelister: I bid 10 TBC
33 2011-04-18 00:15:02 <xelister> lots of tradesr @ bitcoin-otc ;)
34 2011-04-18 00:15:03 <lulzplzkthx> xelister: I'm 15 and have no job.
35 2011-04-18 00:15:11 <fabianhjr> lulzplzkthx: so?
36 2011-04-18 00:15:15 <lulzplzkthx> SO I have no $15.
37 2011-04-18 00:15:23 <lulzplzkthx> My parents don't give me allowance or money when I feel like it.
38 2011-04-18 00:15:28 <lulzplzkthx> I have to make my own.
39 2011-04-18 00:15:31 <fabianhjr> I have more than that and it is easy, how can you make those?
40 2011-04-18 00:15:38 <xelister> lulzplzkthx: with big cups size there is a chance.... ;)
41 2011-04-18 00:15:48 <xelister> (best in 1 year tho, or a trip to the Pope lol)
42 2011-04-18 00:15:49 <lulzplzkthx> xelister: I'm also not a girl.
43 2011-04-18 00:15:51 <kiba> lulzplzkthx: do you have a web host?
44 2011-04-18 00:15:58 <xelister> lulzplzkthx: dissapointing
45 2011-04-18 00:16:06 <kiba> well
46 2011-04-18 00:16:11 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: minors have no private property rights, so anything you 'make' is your parents' too
47 2011-04-18 00:16:18 <lulzplzkthx> kiba: No. I have a server, but it's located on my 1.5 Mbps conn.
48 2011-04-18 00:16:20 <xelister> luke-jr: usa sucks
49 2011-04-18 00:16:22 <xelister> anyway
50 2011-04-18 00:16:27 <lulzplzkthx> luke-jr: I know. It's bullshit.
51 2011-04-18 00:16:32 <kiba> I offer 5 BTC for a good piece of writing
52 2011-04-18 00:16:34 <lulzplzkthx> Filing for emancipation in a year.
53 2011-04-18 00:16:41 <kiba> http://bitcoinweekly.com
54 2011-04-18 00:16:41 <lulzplzkthx> kiba: Writing on what?
55 2011-04-18 00:16:46 <kiba> Bitcoin
56 2011-04-18 00:16:54 <luke-jr> xelister: it's universal natural law
57 2011-04-18 00:16:55 <kiba> check the submission page
58 2011-04-18 00:16:55 <lulzplzkthx> Tomorrow I'm going to write something. :)
59 2011-04-18 00:17:07 <kiba> read the page
60 2011-04-18 00:17:51 <xelister> lulzplzkthx: so you want? it is a bit of a joke (e.g. the video was NOT about reall events) BUT there was some related idea (about money, banking and making milions in a cool way!) and there is one more thing VERY related to satoshi (e.g. only 1 person in around 100 shares this property with Satoshi). So wanna buy this info for 10 btc? send to 17W4JTWiXTNjhiqGsfe2pKRUrn7f4SaGf5 and then I say it here =)
61 2011-04-18 00:17:54 <xelister> erm
62 2011-04-18 00:17:57 <xelister> luke-jr: ^
63 2011-04-18 00:18:50 <xelister> when I watched it I thought about bitcoin actually =)
64 2011-04-18 00:20:23 <luke-jr> xelister: for 10 TBC
65 2011-04-18 00:20:29 <xelister> wait
66 2011-04-18 00:20:34 <xelister> how much it 10 TBC >_>
67 2011-04-18 00:20:42 <luke-jr> about 0.01 BTC
68 2011-04-18 00:20:44 <xelister> test-bitcoins? tonall-bitcoins?
69 2011-04-18 00:20:48 <luke-jr> tonal
70 2011-04-18 00:21:15 <xelister> but I will make x20 more by sleeping
71 2011-04-18 00:21:24 <luke-jr> :P
72 2011-04-18 00:21:42 <xelister> uniquiness/correctness of this satoshi-id idae
73 2011-04-18 00:22:16 <xelister> is around 1 in 100,000 people in world share [all of] same attributes, that both Satoshi and the video-character have
74 2011-04-18 00:22:56 <xelister> not counting in "being banking systems expert" which is extra x1000
75 2011-04-18 00:25:31 <sacarlson> I get an error on starting bitcoind with gen in the bitcoin.conf but works on the command line, is this a new bug I added?
76 2011-04-18 00:28:39 <lulzplzkthx> sacarlson: what error?
77 2011-04-18 00:29:14 <sacarlson> EXCEPTION: N5boost16exception_detail10clone_implINS0_19error_info_injectorINS_15program_options14invalid_syntaxEEEEE
78 2011-04-18 00:29:46 <sacarlson> maybe it has to be positioned in config file to work?
79 2011-04-18 00:38:28 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r2eec137962f3 spesmilo/main.py: Workaround PySide/Windows bug (it's prepending args with python.exe) http://tinyurl.com/69cre95
80 2011-04-18 00:38:31 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r02d9a606b405 spesmilo/main.py: append tonal font to default font list, for platforms that don't do their own automatic fallback for missing characters http://tinyurl.com/3cardls
81 2011-04-18 00:38:34 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r90d98db1af84 spesmilo/ (7 files in 2 dirs): fallback icons from public domain Tango icon library http://tinyurl.com/3hhaote
82 2011-04-18 01:04:36 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r6e24b57e2aea spesmilo/cashier.py: "Unknown" description rather than throw an error http://tinyurl.com/3kmr2v9
83 2011-04-18 01:12:49 <sacarlson> I'm bummed I accidenly powered of my system when it had a loose video cable and lost the 12 hours I had running the start of my protocoin so now I have to change that 120 value
84 2011-04-18 01:14:28 <brycek> couldn't you just protocoin at an easier difficulty setting?
85 2011-04-18 01:15:36 <sacarlson> brycek: it was already at diff 1.00000
86 2011-04-18 01:15:43 <sacarlson> it still takes 20 hours
87 2011-04-18 01:16:19 <sacarlson> now I get this error if I try to startup from where I am ERROR: CheckProofOfWork() : hash doesn't match nBits
88 2011-04-18 01:17:17 <sacarlson> I'm not sure I will have this problem after 20 hours or not so I will try change the 120 to 3
89 2011-04-18 01:17:52 <sacarlson> for the number of blocks after minning it will credit
90 2011-04-18 01:20:22 <brycek> is 2 a sane number for deciding if a transaction is confirmed, or should I use 6?
91 2011-04-18 01:20:57 <B0g4r7> bitcoind uses 120 for some reason.
92 2011-04-18 01:21:08 <brycek> 120??
93 2011-04-18 01:21:25 <brycek> the dox say the api has minconf of 1
94 2011-04-18 01:22:18 <tcatm> 120 is used by the GUI for generated coins
95 2011-04-18 01:22:34 <tcatm> 100 is enforced by the network for generated coins
96 2011-04-18 01:23:16 <tcatm> depending on the amount of bitcoins sent 2 could be sane
97 2011-04-18 01:25:41 <Diablo-D3> lol
98 2011-04-18 01:25:45 <Diablo-D3> xelister's tx
99 2011-04-18 01:25:49 <Diablo-D3> are not yet all accepted by the network
100 2011-04-18 01:26:34 <sacarlson> tcatm: 100 is enforced? so that might be all I need change then, I don't use the gui
101 2011-04-18 01:27:57 <tcatm> sacarlson: main.h:24 static const int COINBASE_MATURITY = 100;
102 2011-04-18 01:28:15 <sacarlson> tcatm: perfect thanks
103 2011-04-18 01:28:21 <MBS> yeah, thats why mining pools require you to wait either 100 or 120 verifications before sending payment
104 2011-04-18 01:30:34 <sacarlson> tcatm: so I should be able to temp change 100 to 2 then change it back later after it matures I wonder if that would work
105 2011-04-18 01:30:59 <tcatm> if you control all nodes, yep
106 2011-04-18 01:31:18 <sacarlson> tcatm: yes I only have a max number of 3 in my nodes
107 2011-04-18 01:31:52 <sacarlson> ok time to stop thinking and try doing
108 2011-04-18 01:33:10 <luke-jr> MBS: you mean the active ones
109 2011-04-18 01:33:21 <luke-jr> MBS: pools don't *have* to do that, they *can* just pay direct
110 2011-04-18 01:33:35 <MBS> yeah, lol
111 2011-04-18 01:33:47 <MBS> they just get screwed over when they get an invalid block, lol
112 2011-04-18 01:34:07 <luke-jr> nope
113 2011-04-18 01:37:23 <luke-jr> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/File:Smallgeneration.png
114 2011-04-18 01:38:02 <brycek> tcatm: so I'm just going to use six confirmations because I'm not starting with a mining op
115 2011-04-18 01:55:26 <sacarlson> tcatm: cool it seemed to work I got my first 2 coins and no have a balance of 50 Ptbc
116 2011-04-18 01:56:09 <sacarlson> tcatm: I didn't change the number in the aother in the node I will try to send it money to see if it accepts I assume it won't
117 2011-04-18 01:58:59 <sacarlson> ok I didn't think so I get ERROR: ConnectInputs() : tried to spend coinbase at depth 1 so I have to change the nodes software also
118 2011-04-18 02:00:28 <tcatm> don't set it too low... values <50 could easily cause chainsplits
119 2011-04-18 02:01:06 <tcatm> or rather "corrupt" the wallet in case of a chainsplit
120 2011-04-18 02:01:42 <kiba> hey
121 2011-04-18 02:01:54 <kiba> anybody got namecoin running?
122 2011-04-18 02:01:54 <tcatm> hey kiba
123 2011-04-18 02:02:01 <sacarlson> tcatm: It's just a temp change for testing I will return it to 100 at some point. what are the odds with only 2 system of a chainsplit if you only have a single minner?
124 2011-04-18 02:02:19 <tcatm> sacarlson: zero
125 2011-04-18 02:02:29 <sacarlson> tcatm: ok good to hear thanks
126 2011-04-18 02:03:02 <tcatm> kiba: nope. I'll run it once it supports mining on both chains
127 2011-04-18 02:03:05 <kiba> me like my new fanged keyboard!
128 2011-04-18 02:04:53 <brycek> who runs bitcoin.org?
129 2011-04-18 02:05:15 <brycek> the ssl cert has a CN of "bitcoin" instead of something useful like "www.bitcoin.org" or "bitcoin.org"
130 2011-04-18 02:06:47 <tcatm> bitcoin is fine. what's missing is working certificate management in browsers
131 2011-04-18 02:09:54 <MBS> fanged keyboard
132 2011-04-18 02:11:18 <kiba> I feel like this keyboard is good and all
133 2011-04-18 02:11:28 <kiba> dunno if I like it just because it's new
134 2011-04-18 02:11:32 <kiba> or it's just that good
135 2011-04-18 02:14:39 <grbgout> is -market the channel that shows mtgox and other exchange trades?
136 2011-04-18 02:14:51 <tcatm> grbgout: yes
137 2011-04-18 02:15:29 <grbgout> tcatm: aye, thanks. Just answered my own question with $ tail irclogs/.../.../-market
138 2011-04-18 02:24:37 <luke-jr> sacarlson: wtf is Ptbc
139 2011-04-18 02:43:52 <davex__> ;;bc,stats
140 2011-04-18 02:43:54 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118928 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 15 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 hours, 8 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 92606.44615981
141 2011-04-18 02:45:36 <B0g4r7> 15 bl0x0rz
142 2011-04-18 03:00:47 <Diablo-D3> uh
143 2011-04-18 03:00:51 <Diablo-D3> is mining like fucked?
144 2011-04-18 03:01:03 <sacarlson> luke-jr Ptbc stands for proto-test-bit-coin
145 2011-04-18 03:01:55 <Diablo-D3> [09:49:19] <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,blocks
146 2011-04-18 03:02:06 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,blocks
147 2011-04-18 03:02:07 <gribble> 118930
148 2011-04-18 03:02:10 <Diablo-D3> maybe thats right
149 2011-04-18 03:02:19 <Diablo-D3> 19 since 2 hours ago
150 2011-04-18 03:02:29 <nanotube> yea, target 12
151 2011-04-18 03:02:34 <nanotube> so seems fine
152 2011-04-18 03:02:50 <Diablo-D3> well
153 2011-04-18 03:02:56 <Diablo-D3> all of xelister's coin spam
154 2011-04-18 03:03:00 <Diablo-D3> has not really filtered through yet
155 2011-04-18 03:03:38 <Diablo-D3> some are 28 confirmations
156 2011-04-18 03:03:48 <Diablo-D3> some are 4
157 2011-04-18 03:03:50 <luke-jr> sacarlson: so it's BTC on a different network. call it <something>BTC :P
158 2011-04-18 03:04:07 <Diablo-D3> and some are still 0
159 2011-04-18 03:04:07 <luke-jr> sacarlson: TBC = Tonal Bitcoin
160 2011-04-18 03:05:32 <luke-jr> ;;bc,stats
161 2011-04-18 03:06:36 <Diablo-D3> okay its now 1:05
162 2011-04-18 03:06:49 <Diablo-D3> the first one confirmed at 20:21
163 2011-04-18 03:07:12 <Diablo-D3> the last one confirmed at 12:27
164 2011-04-18 03:08:01 <sacarlson> luke-jr ya it should be PBTC as you may have noticed I"m dislesic
165 2011-04-18 03:08:38 <sacarlson> luke-jr or popbtc since it's worth shit
166 2011-04-18 03:20:40 <sacarlson> ok some progress I was able to make my first fund transfer in pbtc now to see if it will ever confirm
167 2011-04-18 03:22:54 <purplezky> what's the thing with all the orphaned blocks on testnet ?
168 2011-04-18 03:23:05 <LtBrenton> ;;bc,stats
169 2011-04-18 03:23:07 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118930 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 13 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 hour, 51 minutes, and 9 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 92612.43687331
170 2011-04-18 03:23:13 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 350000 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 1 week, 4 days, 16 hours, 41 minutes, and 50 seconds
171 2011-04-18 03:23:13 <LtBrenton> ;;bc,calc 350000
172 2011-04-18 03:23:21 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 350000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 92612, is 1 week, 6 days, 3 hours, 41 minutes, and 12 seconds
173 2011-04-18 03:23:21 <LtBrenton> ;;bc,calcd 350000 92612
174 2011-04-18 03:24:40 <sacarlson> wow it's confirmed already and spendable
175 2011-04-18 03:27:16 <topi`_> the rpc call to slush's pool failed, I wonder if it's down?
176 2011-04-18 03:27:27 <Diablo-D3> doesnt your miner return error?
177 2011-04-18 03:27:32 <Diablo-D3> [4/18/11 1:26:41 AM] ERROR: Can't connect to Bitcoin: Failed to connect to Bitcoin: {"id": "1", "result": null, "error": {"message": "Server temporarily down for maintenance", "code": -131}}
178 2011-04-18 03:27:34 <Diablo-D3> mine does.
179 2011-04-18 03:28:28 <topi`_> [2011-03-18 07:26:57] HTTP request failed: The requested URL returned error: 502
180 2011-04-18 03:28:44 <topi`_> it's jgarzik's minerd
181 2011-04-18 03:29:53 <Lachesis> what's wrong with slush's pool?
182 2011-04-18 03:30:05 <Lachesis> i'm down too -- have been meaning to leave the pool - this is a good excuse :)
183 2011-04-18 03:31:39 <Diablo-D3> nothing, its just down for maint
184 2011-04-18 03:32:18 <luke-jr> purplezky: try connecting to blockexplorer
185 2011-04-18 03:34:30 <sacarlson> ok I was able to send transactions back and forth but now my problem persists at shutdown and restart of bitcoind ERROR: CheckProofOfWork() : hash doesn't match nBits , what constant do I have to change to fix that?
186 2011-04-18 03:35:45 <sirius> Diablo-D3: satoshi owns the domain
187 2011-04-18 03:36:17 <soultcer> Not for long. If the recent poker site domain seizures are any indication, the domain will soon belong to the us government
188 2011-04-18 03:36:46 <Diablo-D3> sirius: ahh.
189 2011-04-18 03:36:51 <sacarlson> soultcer: best register it out of USA
190 2011-04-18 03:37:21 <noagendamarket> bitcoin.me is owned by .me
191 2011-04-18 03:37:41 <Diablo-D3> what country is that?
192 2011-04-18 03:37:59 <sacarlson> noagendamarket: ya what contry is the registra under?
193 2011-04-18 03:38:25 <sacarlson> like .th is controled by thailand
194 2011-04-18 03:39:07 <noagendamarket> montenegro
195 2011-04-18 03:39:29 <sacarlson> noagendamarket: that might be good
196 2011-04-18 03:39:54 <noagendamarket> I currently have it setup for bitcoinmedia group blog
197 2011-04-18 03:40:26 <noagendamarket> but a bitcoin openid project sounds better
198 2011-04-18 03:42:11 <sacarlson> noagendamarket: can't you point an openid at any address you control? I created one some time ago but forgot how I had done it
199 2011-04-18 03:45:44 <noagendamarket> yeah something like that
200 2011-04-18 03:46:00 <Diablo-D3> sacarlson: yes
201 2011-04-18 03:46:02 <noagendamarket> theres also an anonymous open id
202 2011-04-18 03:47:13 <Diablo-D3> okay guys
203 2011-04-18 03:47:16 <Diablo-D3> give me a few openid providers
204 2011-04-18 03:47:19 <Diablo-D3> so I can test this shit of mine
205 2011-04-18 03:47:35 <sacarlson> Diablo-D3: google?
206 2011-04-18 03:47:42 <Diablo-D3> already tried google, works
207 2011-04-18 03:47:47 <Diablo-D3> and yahoo, works
208 2011-04-18 03:47:52 <topi`_> yesterday went to a restaurant for a beef, but had to pay in stupid cash. I was thinking of the problem of enabling POS's to use/receive bitcoin so that I wouldn't need to fool around with cash any longer.
209 2011-04-18 03:48:03 <Diablo-D3> and steam surprisingly doesnt because they have a weird ssl cert chain
210 2011-04-18 03:48:25 <topi`_> evidently, many things are needed to run the bitcoin client, i.e. cpu power, a gigabyte of storage or more, and a working net connection
211 2011-04-18 03:48:28 <Diablo-D3> topi`_: a POS terminal network would be solved by something running on top of bitcoin, not bitcoin itself
212 2011-04-18 03:48:56 <Diablo-D3> bitcoin doesnt support transaction verification fast enough for what you want
213 2011-04-18 03:49:03 <sacarlson> topi`_: I think some kind of wifi or bluetouth on your cell phone so you send it from your phone
214 2011-04-18 03:49:05 <topi`_> you mean doing some RPC traffic to the 'main' bitcoin node?
215 2011-04-18 03:49:27 <Diablo-D3> well, traffic to a bitcoin transaction processor
216 2011-04-18 03:49:30 <topi`_> sacarlson: yes, bluetooth would work as a device<->device protocol
217 2011-04-18 03:49:34 <Diablo-D3> a "bank" so to speak
218 2011-04-18 03:49:45 <topi`_> Diablo-D3: every company can run their own "bank"
219 2011-04-18 03:49:48 <Diablo-D3> and no, bluetooth sucks for temporary connections
220 2011-04-18 03:49:54 <Diablo-D3> topi`_: they could, yes
221 2011-04-18 03:50:00 <sacarlson> topi`_: and they have a java tool to interface to bitcoin with ssl
222 2011-04-18 03:50:03 <topi`_> that would essentially be a bitcoin client in the back office.
223 2011-04-18 03:50:19 <Diablo-D3> topi`_: but what the bank would do would basically process transactions faster than the network
224 2011-04-18 03:50:31 <Diablo-D3> so you'd have to have your bitcoins kept at a participating bank
225 2011-04-18 03:50:53 <topi`_> that's still trusting one extra party
226 2011-04-18 03:51:04 <topi`_> we want to get rid of the 3rd party, right?
227 2011-04-18 03:51:06 <sacarlson> Diablo-D3: or leave you home computer running to provide payment from your remote client
228 2011-04-18 03:51:14 <Diablo-D3> sacarlson: thats not the issue
229 2011-04-18 03:51:22 <Diablo-D3> the issue is not having to sit in the store for an hour.
230 2011-04-18 03:51:55 <topi`_> you'll get the first confirmation in 10 mins
231 2011-04-18 03:52:00 <Diablo-D3> topi`_: so?
232 2011-04-18 03:52:03 <Diablo-D3> its not valid until 3.
233 2011-04-18 03:52:20 <Diablo-D3> I can swipe a credit card and the transaction is done in 30 seconds or less.
234 2011-04-18 03:54:05 <sacarlson> Diablo-D3: ya I think your right unless they trust that even before any confirmations you already paid but not sure they would trust anyone for that
235 2011-04-18 03:54:15 <luke-jr> ;;bc,stats
236 2011-04-18 03:54:17 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118932 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 11 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 hour, 34 minutes, and 36 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 92427.08444520
237 2011-04-18 03:54:30 <witten> the trick is to use a trusted 3rd party
238 2011-04-18 03:54:49 <noagendamarket> Diablo-D3 myopen id
239 2011-04-18 03:55:05 <noagendamarket> also look on the witcoin sign up page
240 2011-04-18 03:55:10 <Diablo-D3> noagendamarket: avoiding that one, Im using them to generate reliable error failures
241 2011-04-18 03:55:17 <sacarlson> witten: yes like the credit card companies also do they garantee transactions like insurance
242 2011-04-18 03:55:20 <purplezky> if it needs to confirm in 30 seconds you need a network which creates blocks 20 times faster, thus you would need to have coin rewards for blocks 20 times lower. it could work.
243 2011-04-18 03:55:46 <Diablo-D3> actually, it'd be every 10 seconds
244 2011-04-18 03:55:59 <Diablo-D3> but then it becomes extremely easy to kite the network
245 2011-04-18 03:56:02 <noagendamarket> http://witcoin.com/getwitit?dest=http://witcoin.com/
246 2011-04-18 03:56:49 <noagendamarket> we also use steam
247 2011-04-18 03:57:10 <Diablo-D3> java's ssl impl doesnt think steam's ssl certs are valid
248 2011-04-18 03:57:14 <Diablo-D3> so its an unrelated issue
249 2011-04-18 03:58:28 <sacarlson> Diablo-D3: unless you had 1000 different types of coins so each network would be getting confirmed at a different time so that at least some of the transaction money would already be confirmed in a shorter duration of time
250 2011-04-18 03:58:53 <Diablo-D3> sacarlson: no
251 2011-04-18 03:59:13 <Diablo-D3> I can just double spend because peers arent getting the entire view of the network before the next block is completed
252 2011-04-18 04:00:25 <sacarlson> Diablo-D3: ok 1,000,000 types of coins? so that even in a few secounds some of the networks would have already confirmed at least 1 time
253 2011-04-18 04:00:37 <purplezky> so you would need to have bandwidth and cpu qualification and have a fast, normal and slow subnet
254 2011-04-18 04:00:39 <Diablo-D3> I dont like adding the complexity.
255 2011-04-18 04:01:15 <sacarlson> Diablo-D3: sometimes the answer to questions isn't easy like cell phones, I wouldn't want to have to designed that
256 2011-04-18 04:01:41 <Diablo-D3> that isnt it
257 2011-04-18 04:01:51 <Diablo-D3> we have this argument in here at least once a week
258 2011-04-18 04:02:03 <Diablo-D3> theres no way of solving it without compromising bitcoin's usefulness
259 2011-04-18 04:02:19 <sacarlson> Diablo-D3: or taking more risk
260 2011-04-18 04:02:27 <Diablo-D3> same thing
261 2011-04-18 04:02:59 <sacarlson> Diablo-D3: well credit card insurance takes risk and looses money all the time all they do is raise insurance rates
262 2011-04-18 04:03:11 <Diablo-D3> not really.
263 2011-04-18 04:03:14 <witten> sacarlson: no, what they do is charge the merchant
264 2011-04-18 04:03:21 <Diablo-D3> when credit card fraud happens they screw the merchant
265 2011-04-18 04:03:24 <Diablo-D3> HE pays more.
266 2011-04-18 04:03:29 <Diablo-D3> and through him, you pay more.
267 2011-04-18 04:03:58 <sacarlson> witten: yes the merchant pays for the insurance and so the merchant charges you more to pay for it
268 2011-04-18 04:04:17 <witten> I'm not talking about insurance..
269 2011-04-18 04:04:29 <witten> I'm talking about the merchant often having to eat the cost of a chargeback
270 2011-04-18 04:04:31 <JFK911> taking cards thru paypal is insurance
271 2011-04-18 04:04:36 <witten> and risk getting their processing fees increased
272 2011-04-18 04:04:38 <sacarlson> witten: well most money transactions require some risk
273 2011-04-18 04:04:42 <JFK911> of course i pass higher fees on
274 2011-04-18 04:04:59 <Diablo-D3> sacarlson: you have a severe misunderstanding of the banking industry
275 2011-04-18 04:05:38 <sacarlson> Diablo-D3: I best not become an insurance salesman then
276 2011-04-18 04:11:00 <sacarlson> ok this is the line I'm now having problems with in main.cpp:1173 if (hash > bnTarget.getuint256())
277 2011-04-18 04:11:47 <sacarlson> I guess I'll print these two values and try to figure out were they came from to find the constant that needs to be changed
278 2011-04-18 04:15:11 <purplezky> sacarlson: it's checking if the performed work has more zero bits than the target difficulty, by reversing the hash and target before this comparison
279 2011-04-18 04:16:22 <sacarlson> purplezky: so when you reset the block what needs to be adjusted to make this pass?
280 2011-04-18 04:17:49 <purplezky> work has be performed until this condition is met
281 2011-04-18 04:17:56 <purplezky> then you have mined a new block
282 2011-04-18 04:18:09 <sacarlson> purplezky: my guess it's probly the value of block.nNonce since it's the only thing I havn't needed to play with yet
283 2011-04-18 04:18:29 <purplezky> each hash you try, you increment the nonce
284 2011-04-18 04:18:46 <sacarlson> purplezky: yes but that value must start someplace
285 2011-04-18 04:18:58 <purplezky> when you reset block you set nonce to 0
286 2011-04-18 04:19:10 <purplezky> just look in the example code
287 2011-04-18 04:19:22 <sacarlson> purplezky: that's not what I see them do in the last reset of -testnet
288 2011-04-18 04:20:06 <purplezky> oh that reset
289 2011-04-18 04:20:12 <purplezky> that's something else
290 2011-04-18 04:20:26 <sacarlson> purplezky: yes that's about what I'm attempting to do in my private proto coin
291 2011-04-18 04:20:31 <purplezky> they reset the difficulty
292 2011-04-18 04:20:46 <sacarlson> purplezky: that's already been reset to 1.0000
293 2011-04-18 04:21:27 <purplezky> what exactly are you trying to do ?
294 2011-04-18 04:21:33 <sacarlson> purplezky: but the values I see them change in the reset seem to be pulled out of there ass I don't know how they created them
295 2011-04-18 04:22:13 <purplezky> sacarlson: every x blocks the difficulty gets reset by convention in the current protocol
296 2011-04-18 04:22:13 <sacarlson> purplezky: I'm testing the creation of new coins
297 2011-04-18 04:23:20 <sacarlson> purplezky: my proto coin network seems to almost work I can transact between the only two system on the net with a single miner
298 2011-04-18 04:26:52 <sacarlson> purplezky: yes I read the pdf explaining the difficulty changes dependent on how fast the network is finding new blocks so in a new network even a very slow computer if it's the only miner can be used to keep the network running
299 2011-04-18 04:35:29 <docl> I think there's a bug in bitcoin-central... there's these 0.0000 BTC transactions on the books, and it prevents bids from being processed somehow.
300 2011-04-18 04:41:33 <sacarlson> so it must be this value is all I need to change block.nBits = 0x1d07fff8; what is used to determine this value at reset?
301 2011-04-18 04:43:17 <sacarlson> I guess we use the normal aproach just print the two value that are compared to determine what's needed on the other side
302 2011-04-18 04:46:42 <lfm> sacarlson: nBits is the difficulty setting
303 2011-04-18 04:47:02 <sacarlson> lfm: ok that makes sense
304 2011-04-18 04:48:14 <sacarlson> lfm: oh I recall something stating that the difficulty in -testnet was different by 1.0 compared to 0.5 and I not a diff in the code
305 2011-04-18 04:48:29 <sacarlson> note
306 2011-04-18 04:49:24 <lfm> Difficulty:1d00ffff = 1, 2009-01-03 18:15:05
307 2011-04-18 04:49:47 <lfm> Difficulty:1d07fff8 = 0.125, 2011-02-02 23:16:42
308 2011-04-18 04:49:52 <sacarlson> so why would I be getting this ERROR: CheckProofOfWork() : hash doesn't match nBits, since at the last reset they didn't have to change it
309 2011-04-18 04:50:49 <lfm> well what is the hash of your block header of your genisis block?
310 2011-04-18 04:50:53 <sacarlson> lfm: maybe at reset they didn't create a new block chain?
311 2011-04-18 04:51:48 <lfm> when you change the genesis block you have to go thru the nonces to find a valid hash
312 2011-04-18 04:52:04 <lfm> same as any other block
313 2011-04-18 04:52:16 <sacarlson> lfm: you mean this value hashGenesisBlock
314 2011-04-18 04:52:38 <lfm> I suspect so ya
315 2011-04-18 04:52:53 <cosurgi> how long slush's pool is down?
316 2011-04-18 04:53:09 <lfm> didnt know slush's pool was down
317 2011-04-18 04:53:26 <sacarlson> lfm: I think that would be this: genesisblock=0x3c7166a49bcc04928ee6642ecde6061aa7f4be93ee134031648f6f06ce13c7a9
318 2011-04-18 04:53:54 <lfm> that would not be valid for the difficulty you set
319 2011-04-18 04:54:51 <sacarlson> lfm: not enuf zeros?
320 2011-04-18 04:55:19 <lfm> i dont see any unless you dropped leading zeros
321 2011-04-18 04:55:57 <sacarlson> lfm: well when I changed pszTimestamp="The Times 04/Apr/2011 Tornadoes and vicious winds left 17 people dead across four states"
322 2011-04-18 04:56:37 <purplezky> they you have to keep track of a complete blockchain starting from that different genesis block
323 2011-04-18 04:56:39 <sacarlson> lfm: I got errors and I just kept changeing to make the numbers on each side match
324 2011-04-18 04:56:52 <purplezky> s/they/then/
325 2011-04-18 04:57:07 <yrral> ;;bc,stats
326 2011-04-18 04:57:09 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118938 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 5 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 43 minutes and 5 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 92437.03075565
327 2011-04-18 04:58:08 <sacarlson> purplezky: sooooo change another constant?
328 2011-04-18 04:59:44 <lfm> sacarlson: so did you recalulate the merkle hash?
329 2011-04-18 04:59:56 <sacarlson> lfm: yes that now matches
330 2011-04-18 05:00:31 <sacarlson> lfm: I just printed the compare values were it checked it and made that the new constant
331 2011-04-18 05:00:55 <lfm> ok now you have to start with nonce 1 and try the header block hash till you get one with enuf leading zeros, keep incrementing nonce till the hash is good
332 2011-04-18 05:01:36 <sacarlson> lfm: ok I can do that
333 2011-04-18 05:02:10 <sacarlson> lfm: and good is ?
334 2011-04-18 05:02:27 <lfm> ;;bc,calc 50*2016
335 2011-04-18 05:02:28 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 50*2016 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 5 weeks, 5 days, 14 hours, 38 minutes, and 36 seconds
336 2011-04-18 05:02:37 <gribble> 50 * 2,016 = 100,800
337 2011-04-18 05:02:37 <lfm> ;;calc 50*2016
338 2011-04-18 05:03:18 <sacarlson> lfm: is that my answer?
339 2011-04-18 05:03:38 <lfm> sacarlson: no good is 29 leading zero bits (or more)
340 2011-04-18 05:03:58 <sacarlson> lfm: ok so I have a goal time to solve it
341 2011-04-18 05:04:09 <lfm> if you are going with that difficulty/nBits of :1d07fff8
342 2011-04-18 05:04:32 <sacarlson> lfm: I had no plans to change it
343 2011-04-18 05:04:52 <lfm> ok thats a testnet style genesis block then?
344 2011-04-18 05:05:21 <sacarlson> lfm: yes it's a copy of a genesis reset
345 2011-04-18 05:05:39 <lfm> ya for testnet, not for mainnet
346 2011-04-18 05:05:56 <sacarlson> lfm: well mine is in a private net
347 2011-04-18 05:06:21 <lfm> ok did you change the other things you should for a private net?
348 2011-04-18 05:06:52 <lfm> like the irc channel, the port number and the address type code?
349 2011-04-18 05:06:54 <sacarlson> lfm: not all of them, I would like to change the port at some point but it's in the header file so I'll hold off on that
350 2011-04-18 05:07:15 <sacarlson> lfm: yes the irc values have been changed and I got it also working with no irc
351 2011-04-18 05:07:37 <sacarlson> lfm: address type code?
352 2011-04-18 05:08:01 <lfm> the first char in addresses are 1 for mainnnet and m for testnet
353 2011-04-18 05:08:21 <lfm> you should pick a new letter
354 2011-04-18 05:08:29 <sacarlson> lfm: ok will do
355 2011-04-18 05:09:16 <sacarlson> lfm: in fact I wanted to add 3 or more leters to mine since I had hoped to create unlimted numbers of coin types
356 2011-04-18 05:10:50 <lfm> oh well maybe you coul figure out a system then with mutiple address headers that wont be mistaken for bitcoin addresses. like k with a cointype number then the main address or something
357 2011-04-18 05:11:38 <sacarlson> lfm: ya that makes sence
358 2011-04-18 05:22:42 <yrral> ;;bc,stats
359 2011-04-18 05:22:44 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118939 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 4 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 34 minutes and 32 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 92375.39811588
360 2011-04-18 05:23:34 <yrral> anyone try write an automated trading system for mtgox?
361 2011-04-18 05:25:07 <lfm> yrral: if they did they're keeping it to themselves
362 2011-04-18 05:27:45 <yrral> not if they tried and failed; theres historically been really low volumes at mtgox, so its harder to write something that profits. (although the countepoint to that is that the spreads are huge)
363 2011-04-18 05:28:16 <lfm> yup
364 2011-04-18 05:29:44 <yrral> 2 blocks left till difficulty jump
365 2011-04-18 05:29:47 <yrral> ;;bc,stats
366 2011-04-18 05:29:49 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118942 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 1 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 8 minutes and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 92403.22203098
367 2011-04-18 05:29:56 <yrral> ooo 1 block
368 2011-04-18 05:30:00 <lfm> yay
369 2011-04-18 05:31:25 <purplezky> mining is getting harder and harder
370 2011-04-18 05:31:38 <da2ce7> oneblock!!!!!!!!!
371 2011-04-18 05:32:04 <purplezky> ;;bc,stats
372 2011-04-18 05:32:06 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118942 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 1 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 8 minutes and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 92403.22203098
373 2011-04-18 05:32:17 <yrral> watch this block take 2 days to solve :P
374 2011-04-18 05:32:31 <lfm> huh?
375 2011-04-18 05:32:35 <purplezky> it doesn't update the estimation
376 2011-04-18 05:33:17 <lfm> oh like a watched pop never boils huh
377 2011-04-18 05:33:57 <ersi> when my pots never boil when I've put on the stove, I know I've been senile and forgot about the stove's timer
378 2011-04-18 05:34:00 <ersi> :D
379 2011-04-18 05:34:05 <purplezky> if the pop got a readlock which you hold, it can't be rewritten ;)
380 2011-04-18 05:34:37 <MBS> http://mining.bitcoin.cz/ is completely down for me now
381 2011-04-18 05:35:24 <yrral> the estimation is theoretically always correct if its the .5 cdf estimation right?
382 2011-04-18 05:35:29 <yrral> too bad the bot uses avg
383 2011-04-18 05:36:10 <lfm> huh
384 2011-04-18 05:36:26 <gjs278> da2ce7 try these guys http://psychz.net/
385 2011-04-18 05:36:31 <gjs278> I've used them for awhile
386 2011-04-18 05:36:37 <gjs278> php/mysql/ftp/shell
387 2011-04-18 05:36:39 <gjs278> all you need
388 2011-04-18 05:36:51 <ersi> He wants developers, not hosting though
389 2011-04-18 05:36:56 <yrral> ;;bc,calc 698000000
390 2011-04-18 05:36:57 <gjs278> oh
391 2011-04-18 05:36:57 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 698000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 8 minutes and 26 seconds
392 2011-04-18 05:36:58 <gjs278> shoot
393 2011-04-18 05:37:00 <gjs278> misread
394 2011-04-18 05:37:24 <ersi> np :)
395 2011-04-18 05:37:47 <gjs278> ;;bc,stats
396 2011-04-18 05:37:48 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118942 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 1 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 8 minutes and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 92403.22203098
397 2011-04-18 05:37:55 <gjs278> come on block
398 2011-04-18 05:37:56 <gjs278> solve already
399 2011-04-18 05:38:13 <lfm> ;;estimate
400 2011-04-18 05:38:14 <gribble> Error: "estimate" is not a valid command.
401 2011-04-18 05:38:18 <lfm> ;;bc,estimate
402 2011-04-18 05:38:19 <gribble> 92403.22203098
403 2011-04-18 05:38:22 <gjs278> mining.bitcoin.cz is bad gatewaying, probably because the bitcoind is down
404 2011-04-18 05:38:24 <gjs278> ;;bc,stats
405 2011-04-18 05:38:25 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118942 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 1 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 8 minutes and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 92403.22203098
406 2011-04-18 05:38:33 <lfm> ;;bc,blocks
407 2011-04-18 05:38:34 <gribble> 118942
408 2011-04-18 05:38:57 <gjs278> and now it is back
409 2011-04-18 05:39:05 <gjs278> for a second it was
410 2011-04-18 05:39:43 <gjs278> I just had about 5 shares accepted, rolling
411 2011-04-18 05:39:45 <gjs278> ;;bc,stats
412 2011-04-18 05:39:46 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118942 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 1 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 8 minutes and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 92403.22203098
413 2011-04-18 05:40:34 <gjs278> come on deepbit, find this block
414 2011-04-18 05:42:38 <slush> somebody is ddosing site, it crashed after 40Mbit/s of requests
415 2011-04-18 05:43:02 <slush> site crashed mysql, mysql crashed mining
416 2011-04-18 05:43:14 <slush> mining is running now, but site is temporary closed...
417 2011-04-18 05:43:26 <ersi> slush: Ouch!
418 2011-04-18 05:44:04 <slush> I'm absolutely busy now, this solution must be enough for today; then I have to find a solution against those dumb asses
419 2011-04-18 05:44:15 <slush> it's not syn attack, those are regular requests to site
420 2011-04-18 05:44:38 <gjs278> lol
421 2011-04-18 05:44:48 <gjs278> they're trying to stop the last block from being found
422 2011-04-18 05:45:19 <gjs278> also >he's not using memcached
423 2011-04-18 05:45:19 <lfm> kinda stupid if thats all they think they're doing
424 2011-04-18 05:46:36 <lfm> unless they'ree ddosing art too
425 2011-04-18 05:46:59 <slush> no, they are just trying to shut down the pool :)
426 2011-04-18 05:47:05 <purplezky> maybe they are trying to lower the difficulty by making the last block last longer ?
427 2011-04-18 05:47:16 <gjs278> guys turn off your miners
428 2011-04-18 05:47:20 <gjs278> 3, 2, 1... go
429 2011-04-18 05:47:20 <JFK911> lol what
430 2011-04-18 05:47:31 <gjs278> alright, who else did it
431 2011-04-18 05:47:45 <JFK911> ;;bc,stats
432 2011-04-18 05:47:46 <lfm> purplezky: ya, thats what I mean as stupid, it would not have the effect they think
433 2011-04-18 05:47:47 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118943 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 0 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 2 hours, 38 minutes, and 24 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 92347.59095209
434 2011-04-18 05:47:48 <gjs278> NOOOO
435 2011-04-18 05:47:49 <gjs278> TOO LATE
436 2011-04-18 05:47:57 <gjs278> which one of you dicks found the last block
437 2011-04-18 05:48:02 <lfm> ;;bc,estimate
438 2011-04-18 05:48:03 <gribble> 92347.59095209
439 2011-04-18 05:48:05 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 775000 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 5 days, 6 hours, 45 minutes, and 59 seconds
440 2011-04-18 05:48:05 <JFK911> ;;bc,calc 775000
441 2011-04-18 05:48:17 <gjs278> jfk was killed for less
442 2011-04-18 05:48:23 <JFK911> ;;bc,stats
443 2011-04-18 05:48:25 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118943 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 0 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 2 hours, 38 minutes, and 24 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 92347.59095209
444 2011-04-18 05:48:26 <gribble> 92347.59095209
445 2011-04-18 05:48:26 <lfm> ;;bc,estimate
446 2011-04-18 05:48:27 <gjs278> twobitcoins if you found the last block get out
447 2011-04-18 05:48:32 <JFK911> jfk took down the towers
448 2011-04-18 05:48:57 <gribble> 92347.59095209
449 2011-04-18 05:48:57 <lfm> ;;bc,estimate
450 2011-04-18 05:49:12 <JFK911> dun dun dun.....
451 2011-04-18 05:49:17 <twobitcoins> Eh?
452 2011-04-18 05:49:24 <gjs278> mystery miner is going to solve the entire difficulty in the next 15 minutes
453 2011-04-18 05:49:35 <gjs278> that's why he's going for the pool
454 2011-04-18 05:49:38 <JFK911> we still have the mystery miner?
455 2011-04-18 05:49:41 <lfm> ;;bc,estimate
456 2011-04-18 05:49:42 <gribble> 92347.59095209
457 2011-04-18 05:49:48 <JFK911> when does he go away?
458 2011-04-18 05:49:53 <gjs278> never
459 2011-04-18 05:49:59 <JFK911> hm
460 2011-04-18 05:50:01 <JFK911> rude
461 2011-04-18 05:50:04 <lfm> ;;bc,estimate
462 2011-04-18 05:50:05 <gribble> 369390.36380837
463 2011-04-18 05:50:17 <JFK911> ;;bc,stats
464 2011-04-18 05:50:18 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118944 | Current Difficulty: 92347.59095209 | Next Difficulty At Block: 120959 | Next Difficulty In: 2015 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 4 hours, 11 minutes, and 25 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 369390.36380837
465 2011-04-18 05:50:29 <JFK911> hahaha
466 2011-04-18 05:50:33 <lfm> yay
467 2011-04-18 05:50:34 <JFK911> that was fast
468 2011-04-18 05:50:49 <gjs278> what
469 2011-04-18 05:51:02 <lfm> killer next difficulty! grin
470 2011-04-18 05:51:07 <gjs278> dude
471 2011-04-18 05:51:10 <gjs278> we're so screwed
472 2011-04-18 05:51:10 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 775000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 363930, is 3 weeks, 2 days, 8 hours, 14 minutes, and 21 seconds
473 2011-04-18 05:51:10 <JFK911> ;;bc,calcd 775000 363930
474 2011-04-18 05:51:10 <purplezky> crazy difficulty indeed
475 2011-04-18 05:51:13 <gjs278> he's going at it
476 2011-04-18 05:51:18 <gjs278> give up guys
477 2011-04-18 05:51:18 <JFK911> oh its only three weeks
478 2011-04-18 05:51:23 <JFK911> i'll still get btc
479 2011-04-18 05:51:48 <gjs278> freeze the blockchain, the bitcoin economy will just have to work with the coins distributed so far
480 2011-04-18 05:51:59 <lfm> three weeks and it goes up again in 2
481 2011-04-18 05:53:16 <gjs278> ;;bc,stats
482 2011-04-18 05:53:19 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118946 | Current Difficulty: 92347.59095209 | Next Difficulty At Block: 120959 | Next Difficulty In: 2013 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 21 hours, 17 minutes, and 33 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 369390.36380837
483 2011-04-18 05:53:25 <gjs278> welp
484 2011-04-18 05:53:26 <gjs278> we're done for
485 2011-04-18 05:53:38 <gjs278> 2 days and the difficulty is definitely going to be 369k
486 2011-04-18 05:53:41 <lfm> might as well give up now
487 2011-04-18 05:54:02 <JFK911> i just gave up
488 2011-04-18 05:54:30 <gjs278> time to go raid the bitcoin faucet
489 2011-04-18 05:55:10 <gjs278> ;;bc,stats
490 2011-04-18 05:55:12 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118946 | Current Difficulty: 92347.59095209 | Next Difficulty At Block: 120959 | Next Difficulty In: 2013 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 21 hours, 17 minutes, and 33 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 369390.36380837
491 2011-04-18 05:55:23 <gjs278> the outlook is just as bad
492 2011-04-18 05:55:57 <purplezky> instead of mining you will have to focus on building services payed in bitcoins ;)
493 2011-04-18 05:56:24 <ersi> Indeed
494 2011-04-18 05:56:47 <lfm> we got 3 blocks already?
495 2011-04-18 05:56:53 <gjs278> my first mission is a bitcoin funded adventure to go blowup the data center mining all of the fucking blocks
496 2011-04-18 05:59:35 <gjs278> time for bed, hopefully the difficulty isn't 400k by the time I wake up
497 2011-04-18 06:01:43 <gribble> 365733.04807241
498 2011-04-18 06:01:43 <lfm> ;;bc,estimate
499 2011-04-18 06:07:05 <gribble> 357474.55336929
500 2011-04-18 06:07:05 <lfm> ;;bc,estimate
501 2011-04-18 06:07:23 <da2ce7> wait for 500 blocks, then you can have a more accurate est
502 2011-04-18 06:08:00 <lfm> ya, just havin fun
503 2011-04-18 06:10:59 <slueth> Anyone have ati 5870s
504 2011-04-18 06:14:57 <gjs278> yes
505 2011-04-18 06:15:00 <mrb_> slueth: yes, one.
506 2011-04-18 06:15:12 <gjs278> ;;bc,stats
507 2011-04-18 06:15:14 <slueth> What is your average temps?
508 2011-04-18 06:15:15 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118949 | Current Difficulty: 92347.59095209 | Next Difficulty At Block: 120959 | Next Difficulty In: 2010 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 10 hours, 38 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 217430.56784745
509 2011-04-18 06:15:25 <gjs278> my average temps are no higher than 58c because I have an accelero
510 2011-04-18 06:15:30 <slueth> I am getting around 80 on my first card and 61 on my other.
511 2011-04-18 06:15:31 <gjs278> before that, 80c was my high
512 2011-04-18 06:15:45 <gjs278> I bet your room sounds like a vacuum cleaner
513 2011-04-18 06:15:49 <slueth> It does.
514 2011-04-18 06:15:54 <slueth> I have headphones on right now
515 2011-04-18 06:15:58 <slueth> to try to isolate the sound
516 2011-04-18 06:16:07 <gjs278> my only advice is lower the temperature of the room and see if that helps
517 2011-04-18 06:16:11 <lfm> get noise canceling! grin
518 2011-04-18 06:16:11 <slueth> The sound is soothing while sleeping though so its not a big problem.
519 2011-04-18 06:16:25 <slueth> lol I prefer passive isolating headphones
520 2011-04-18 06:16:35 <yrral> ;;bc,stats
521 2011-04-18 06:16:37 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118949 | Current Difficulty: 92347.59095209 | Next Difficulty At Block: 120959 | Next Difficulty In: 2010 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 2 hours, 51 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 217430.56784745
522 2011-04-18 06:16:49 <slueth> Unless you get really good headphones sound canceling is a little staticy
523 2011-04-18 06:16:53 <gjs278> is the really hot card the one getting all of the air blown on it
524 2011-04-18 06:16:56 <yrral> oh good, so the MM isn't actually here :P
525 2011-04-18 06:16:59 <gjs278> or the one behid it
526 2011-04-18 06:17:04 <lfm> my noise canceling seems to work quite well on fan noise
527 2011-04-18 06:17:40 <retinal> I get 67C in open air, 74C with the case open, and 80C with the case closed for a 5870
528 2011-04-18 06:17:42 <slueth> True.. They were designed by bose to work with airplanes :X
529 2011-04-18 06:17:46 <lfm> its a pain replacing the nattery tho
530 2011-04-18 06:17:47 <gjs278> I used to average like 82c and then I opened the window and I dropped to 70c in like 20 minutes
531 2011-04-18 06:18:00 <lfm> mine arnt even bose
532 2011-04-18 06:18:04 <slueth> I have window open right now.
533 2011-04-18 06:18:04 <yrral> so i was able to turn my fan speed on my 5870s from 60+% to 31% and keeping the same temperatures by putting a slow 120mm fan on top of them
534 2011-04-18 06:18:40 <gjs278> not much you can do really
535 2011-04-18 06:18:49 <slueth> Its a little weird because when I get home my computer crashes
536 2011-04-18 06:18:56 <gjs278> what core clock
537 2011-04-18 06:19:07 <slueth> Is there a way to turn off bitcoin app when the temps exceed a certain range?
538 2011-04-18 06:19:08 <slueth> um.
539 2011-04-18 06:19:17 <molecular> ;;bc,stats
540 2011-04-18 06:19:19 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118950 | Current Difficulty: 92347.59095209 | Next Difficulty At Block: 120959 | Next Difficulty In: 2009 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 8 hours, 20 minutes, and 57 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 237223.18989120
541 2011-04-18 06:19:28 <gjs278> you can make it so your fan speed gets ridiculously high
542 2011-04-18 06:19:35 <slueth> I have msi afterburner running at 850 clock
543 2011-04-18 06:19:40 <gjs278> but without custom scripting, not really able to kill apps based on temperature
544 2011-04-18 06:19:43 <gjs278> lol
545 2011-04-18 06:19:43 <slueth> I have fan speed 100
546 2011-04-18 06:19:44 <slueth> lol
547 2011-04-18 06:19:51 <gjs278> 5870's are stock 850
548 2011-04-18 06:19:58 <slueth> The second gpu is fine
549 2011-04-18 06:20:14 <yrral> slueth, try opening your case sidepanel and putting a fan blowing in the air intakes
550 2011-04-18 06:20:15 <slueth> But the first is ridiculously hot.
551 2011-04-18 06:20:16 <gjs278> well mine is at least
552 2011-04-18 06:20:33 <slueth> Yea I just use msi to speed up fans
553 2011-04-18 06:20:37 <gjs278> idk why you have msi open if you're only doing 850. also lower your memory clock
554 2011-04-18 06:20:41 <gjs278> ccc can do fan speed
555 2011-04-18 06:20:44 <yrral> my 5870s are at 916/1200 with 30% fan speed
556 2011-04-18 06:20:58 <gjs278> 925/900 at 100% but it's about as quiet as 25%
557 2011-04-18 06:21:04 <slueth> I am new to ccc
558 2011-04-18 06:21:18 <slueth> I just got the ati cards. Was previously using a gtx 470
559 2011-04-18 06:21:24 <gjs278> either way I'm still pretty shocked you're using 80c with no ocing
560 2011-04-18 06:21:43 <slueth> Well the second gpu is sitting at 61
561 2011-04-18 06:21:45 <gjs278> lower your memory clock down to 900 on the hot card
562 2011-04-18 06:21:49 <yrral> so does everyone here see faster mining with slower mem clocks?
563 2011-04-18 06:21:50 <gjs278> see if that helps
564 2011-04-18 06:21:52 <gjs278> it won't hurt hashing
565 2011-04-18 06:21:57 <gjs278> well
566 2011-04-18 06:22:02 <gjs278> anything below 900 hurts me
567 2011-04-18 06:22:05 <gjs278> but everything above 900
568 2011-04-18 06:22:08 <gjs278> does nothing
569 2011-04-18 06:22:10 <yrral> hmm
570 2011-04-18 06:22:12 <yrral> let me try
571 2011-04-18 06:22:19 <gjs278> other people say they mine at like 300 mem and get higher speeds but I never have that happen
572 2011-04-18 06:22:41 <slueth> lol imma set it to 908
573 2011-04-18 06:22:47 <gjs278> go for it
574 2011-04-18 06:22:50 <gjs278> it will probably help
575 2011-04-18 06:22:57 <slueth> woot temp decrease by 2
576 2011-04-18 06:22:58 <gjs278> what cards did you get
577 2011-04-18 06:22:58 <slueth> :X
578 2011-04-18 06:23:14 <slueth> i got gigabyte one
579 2011-04-18 06:23:15 <Diablo-D3> well
580 2011-04-18 06:23:19 <yrral> 1200 mem -> 350mhash
581 2011-04-18 06:23:21 <Diablo-D3> they reduce the memory to greatly reduce power usage
582 2011-04-18 06:23:24 <Diablo-D3> but the problem is
583 2011-04-18 06:23:29 <yrral> 900 mem -> 346mhash
584 2011-04-18 06:23:30 <Diablo-D3> it sounds like their VRMs are overheating
585 2011-04-18 06:23:44 <gjs278> hmm
586 2011-04-18 06:24:01 <gjs278> I get a flat 342mhash across with 1200/900 at -f60
587 2011-04-18 06:24:13 <Diablo-D3> on my miner? :D
588 2011-04-18 06:24:18 <slueth> Does anyone know why my ccc options are all greyed out?
589 2011-04-18 06:24:29 <gjs278> poclbm
590 2011-04-18 06:24:39 <Diablo-D3> you should use mine
591 2011-04-18 06:24:40 <gjs278> you have to turn on overdrive most likely, it's a checkbox
592 2011-04-18 06:24:43 <Diablo-D3> superior miner is superior
593 2011-04-18 06:24:48 <gjs278> I tried it out
594 2011-04-18 06:25:00 <slueth> The checkbox is greyed out wtf!!!
595 2011-04-18 06:25:16 <slueth> Maybe there is another location where I can enable it.
596 2011-04-18 06:25:30 <gjs278> don't worry about it if you're not ocing, msi can do fan speeds just fine for you for now
597 2011-04-18 06:25:35 <gjs278> msi can also do the oc
598 2011-04-18 06:25:46 <gjs278> I just wouldnt bother installing it if I knew I was only adjusting fan speeds is all
599 2011-04-18 06:26:02 <gjs278> also, can you actually verify that the fan speed 100% is being applied to both cards
600 2011-04-18 06:26:04 <mtrlt> msi afterburner has advanced fan speed setup that the default ati drivers don't have
601 2011-04-18 06:26:08 <gjs278> maybe it;s only ramping up one fan
602 2011-04-18 06:26:31 <gjs278> my advanced setup is just setting the fan speed to one speed and letting it fly
603 2011-04-18 06:26:38 <slueth> I have settins for each gpu
604 2011-04-18 06:27:10 <gjs278> do you have crossfire on
605 2011-04-18 06:27:12 <yrral> Diablo-d3: you said in your thread that you had better hash rates with stream 2.4, I still seem to have better hash rates thru 2.2
606 2011-04-18 06:27:14 <slueth> I checked though, turned off both. Enabled each gpu one by one
607 2011-04-18 06:27:19 <slueth> no I don't have them xfired
608 2011-04-18 06:27:21 <gjs278> I still need to install 2.4
609 2011-04-18 06:27:28 <gjs278> and try it out
610 2011-04-18 06:27:36 <gjs278> poclbm blew up on me when I went for it the first time
611 2011-04-18 06:27:41 <gjs278> so I guess I have to java miner it
612 2011-04-18 06:27:45 <slueth> Is it beneficial to crossfire?
613 2011-04-18 06:27:47 <gjs278> no
614 2011-04-18 06:27:49 <Diablo-D3> yrral: nope, read again
615 2011-04-18 06:27:51 <gjs278> it's definitely a downside
616 2011-04-18 06:27:53 <Diablo-D3> I did the testing wrong
617 2011-04-18 06:28:07 <Diablo-D3> 2.4 gets 2.3 speeds (which is > 2.2), and doesnt have the cpu use bug
618 2011-04-18 06:28:14 <Diablo-D3> its still slower than 2.1
619 2011-04-18 06:28:20 <yrral> :(
620 2011-04-18 06:28:23 <yrral> i can't get 2.1 working
621 2011-04-18 06:28:32 <slueth> Is 2.4 beta still?
622 2011-04-18 06:28:34 <Diablo-D3> what video card?
623 2011-04-18 06:28:35 <gjs278> 2.1 doesn't work on poclbm anymore because it's missing opencl 1.1 I think
624 2011-04-18 06:28:36 <Diablo-D3> slueth: no
625 2011-04-18 06:28:49 <Diablo-D3> gjs278: no, pretty sure poclbm still works on 1.1
626 2011-04-18 06:28:49 <slueth> Maybe I should get 2.4.. I am currently using 2.3
627 2011-04-18 06:28:51 <Diablo-D3> err
628 2011-04-18 06:28:52 <Diablo-D3> 2.1
629 2011-04-18 06:29:03 <Diablo-D3> you need at least 11.1 to use 2.4, btw
630 2011-04-18 06:29:15 <gjs278> I have 11.3, it's the only driver version that doesn't max a core
631 2011-04-18 06:29:22 <yrral> diablo: 5870 + 5850
632 2011-04-18 06:29:39 <Diablo-D3> yrral: yeah, you should still be using 10.9 through 10.11 + sdk 2.1
633 2011-04-18 06:29:50 <slueth> Whats the best miner? I been using poclbm right now
634 2011-04-18 06:30:01 <Diablo-D3> slueth: generally, mine.
635 2011-04-18 06:30:01 <gjs278> you're asking a guy who wrote a miner, his answer is biased
636 2011-04-18 06:30:09 <Diablo-D3> gjs278: hey now
637 2011-04-18 06:30:18 <Diablo-D3> I used poclbm for awhile before I wrote mine
638 2011-04-18 06:30:20 <gjs278> did you have a recent update
639 2011-04-18 06:30:24 <gjs278> like past week or so
640 2011-04-18 06:30:27 <Diablo-D3> if his was so perfect, I wouldnt have wrote mine
641 2011-04-18 06:30:30 <gjs278> I'll try it out again
642 2011-04-18 06:30:32 <Diablo-D3> yes, in the past week
643 2011-04-18 06:30:34 <gjs278> ok
644 2011-04-18 06:31:05 <gjs278> I'll install 2.4 as well unless I should stick with 2.2
645 2011-04-18 06:31:15 <topi`_> Diablo-D3: if his was generally good-enough, you would have written something else ;)
646 2011-04-18 06:31:31 <Diablo-D3> topi`_: not really.
647 2011-04-18 06:31:37 <Diablo-D3> gjs278: 2.4 > 2.2
648 2011-04-18 06:31:41 <Diablo-D3> 2.2 still has the fucking cpu use bug
649 2011-04-18 06:31:42 <gjs278> alright
650 2011-04-18 06:31:44 <Diablo-D3> so does 2.3
651 2011-04-18 06:31:58 <Diablo-D3> 2.4 is almost entirely 2.3 with the cpu use bug fixed
652 2011-04-18 06:32:23 <slueth> Might go try out ur miner diablo.
653 2011-04-18 06:33:03 <gjs278> 342mhash is the rate to beat
654 2011-04-18 06:33:30 <gjs278> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NullPointerException :<
655 2011-04-18 06:33:58 <Diablo-D3> whole backtrace please
656 2011-04-18 06:33:58 <slueth> I have gotten 350ish
657 2011-04-18 06:34:02 <slueth> but i was ocing
658 2011-04-18 06:34:04 <sipa> ;;bc,stats
659 2011-04-18 06:34:06 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118952 | Current Difficulty: 92347.59095209 | Next Difficulty At Block: 120959 | Next Difficulty In: 2007 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 7 hours, 36 minutes, and 45 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 197887.72101570
660 2011-04-18 06:34:15 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1260000 Khps, given current difficulty of 92347.59095209 , is 3 days, 15 hours, 26 minutes, and 25 seconds
661 2011-04-18 06:34:15 <sipa> ;;bc,calc 1260000
662 2011-04-18 06:34:28 <gjs278> http://pastebin.com/evxmvZ1V I probably fucked up the host or something
663 2011-04-18 06:34:45 <Diablo-D3> no, sounds like it was just fed crap
664 2011-04-18 06:34:55 <Diablo-D3> I thought I fixed all of those twoo
665 2011-04-18 06:34:58 <Diablo-D3> *too
666 2011-04-18 06:35:04 <Diablo-D3> gjs278: connecting to a pool?
667 2011-04-18 06:35:05 <gjs278> I'm using the binary, I could try grabbing the source
668 2011-04-18 06:35:07 <gjs278> yeah
669 2011-04-18 06:35:08 <gjs278> deepbit
670 2011-04-18 06:35:10 <gjs278> -o deepbit.net -r 8332
671 2011-04-18 06:35:14 <Diablo-D3> the binary is up to date with git
672 2011-04-18 06:35:38 <Diablo-D3> hrm, has anyone tried mine on deepbit before?
673 2011-04-18 06:35:59 <gjs278> for science I'll try slushs
674 2011-04-18 06:36:18 <Diablo-D3> com.diablominer.DiabloMiner.DiabloMiner$DeviceState$ExecutionState$GetWorkParser.doJSONRPC(DiabloMiner.java:793)
675 2011-04-18 06:36:29 <Diablo-D3> 793: String error = responseMessage.get("error").getValueAsText().trim();
676 2011-04-18 06:36:32 <jaromil> hey, anyone knows why the bitcoin git HEAD on github cannot read a .bitcoin database created with the bitcoind shipped in debian?
677 2011-04-18 06:36:43 <Diablo-D3> which is immediately proceeded by if(responseMessage.get("error") != null) {
678 2011-04-18 06:36:43 <jaromil> is this a known bug? i didn't saw any issue mentioning this
679 2011-04-18 06:37:12 <jaromil> if git HEAD is run on a db created before by bitcoind in debian, it quits with an error
680 2011-04-18 06:37:30 <sipa> jaromil: both db4.7 ?
681 2011-04-18 06:37:33 <Diablo-D3> jaromil: you're using the wrong version of bdb
682 2011-04-18 06:37:44 <jaromil> ack, let me check
683 2011-04-18 06:38:06 <gjs278> what port is slush
684 2011-04-18 06:38:19 <gjs278> I'd check but site down
685 2011-04-18 06:38:24 <Diablo-D3> 8332
686 2011-04-18 06:38:30 <Diablo-D3> the pool is down too, btw
687 2011-04-18 06:38:38 <Diablo-D3> just connect to a local bitcoind
688 2011-04-18 06:38:51 <gjs278> lololol
689 2011-04-18 06:39:10 <gjs278> Waiting...
690 2011-04-18 06:39:22 <Diablo-D3> yeah, its working
691 2011-04-18 06:39:26 <Diablo-D3> I wonder why deepbit chokes
692 2011-04-18 06:39:54 <gjs278> problem was just me
693 2011-04-18 06:39:56 <gjs278> wrong password
694 2011-04-18 06:40:16 <Diablo-D3> yeah but it shouldnt be bombing there
695 2011-04-18 06:40:24 <Diablo-D3> I bet hes not filling out the fucking error field
696 2011-04-18 06:40:27 <gjs278> yeah
697 2011-04-18 06:40:29 <Diablo-D3> or hes putting shit in iut
698 2011-04-18 06:41:18 <gjs278> installing 2.4 now
699 2011-04-18 06:42:15 <gjs278> damnit
700 2011-04-18 06:42:19 <gjs278> zombie process now
701 2011-04-18 06:42:39 <gjs278> restarting to get rid of this pos process maxing out my cpu and not dying
702 2011-04-18 06:47:14 <jaromil> sipa, Diablo-D3 confirm: linking libdb4.7
703 2011-04-18 06:47:24 <Diablo-D3> jaromil: hrm, strange.
704 2011-04-18 06:47:24 <jaromil>
705 2011-04-18 06:47:29 <Diablo-D3> what about debian's?
706 2011-04-18 06:47:49 <slueth> Diablo-D3: Does your miner work in windows?
707 2011-04-18 06:47:51 <BurtyB> mornin
708 2011-04-18 06:47:59 <Diablo-D3> slueth: yes.
709 2011-04-18 06:48:26 <jaromil> debian's is linking db4.8
710 2011-04-18 06:48:33 <CIA-89> DiabloMiner: Patrick McFarland master * r427d2f6 / src/main/java/com/diablominer/DiabloMiner/DiabloMiner.java : Another error check because Deepbit doesn't return useful error messages - http://bit.ly/gYeLfa
711 2011-04-18 06:48:34 <Diablo-D3> goddamnit debian.
712 2011-04-18 06:48:39 <jaromil> and i just found out debian ships a shell script
713 2011-04-18 06:48:55 <Diablo-D3> someone go bitch out the debian maint
714 2011-04-18 06:49:08 <jaromil> i can try that
715 2011-04-18 06:49:17 <jaromil> can you refer me some docu about the req for 4.7 ?
716 2011-04-18 06:49:24 <Diablo-D3> the source.
717 2011-04-18 06:49:59 <jaromil> any specific api call ?
718 2011-04-18 06:50:02 <gjs278> what -w should I go with 5870
719 2011-04-18 06:50:06 <Diablo-D3> gjs278: default.
720 2011-04-18 06:50:09 <gjs278> ok
721 2011-04-18 06:50:21 <jaromil> or is it just a braindead thing of berkeley db that at every minor version they drop compat?
722 2011-04-18 06:50:26 <Diablo-D3> jaromil: no, its just that db automatically upgrades dbs from previous versions
723 2011-04-18 06:50:28 <Diablo-D3> and you cant go back
724 2011-04-18 06:50:35 <jaromil> ack
725 2011-04-18 06:51:01 <jaromil> but then in my specific case, i can try forcing to link 4.8
726 2011-04-18 06:51:04 <Diablo-D3> its "harmless", but you're stuck on the new version
727 2011-04-18 06:51:08 <gjs278> http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/1719/screenshotdd.png 11.3 drivers, opencl 2.4
728 2011-04-18 06:51:18 <jaromil> what a crappy policy
729 2011-04-18 06:51:34 <Diablo-D3> gjs278: what did you get before?
730 2011-04-18 06:51:58 <gjs278> 342 on poclbm, I've seen a good 300 on java miner before
731 2011-04-18 06:52:04 <gjs278> but I had to wait like 5 minutes for it to hit that
732 2011-04-18 06:52:08 <Diablo-D3> try -w 256
733 2011-04-18 06:52:11 <gjs278> kk
734 2011-04-18 06:52:43 <gjs278> much better
735 2011-04-18 06:52:50 <gjs278> 310
736 2011-04-18 06:52:54 <Diablo-D3> hrm, strange.
737 2011-04-18 06:52:57 <gjs278> 319
738 2011-04-18 06:53:03 <gjs278> around there now
739 2011-04-18 06:53:04 <slueth> try -w 128
740 2011-04-18 06:53:10 <Diablo-D3> gjs278: leave it run for about 5 minutes, and read the second number only.
741 2011-04-18 06:53:12 <slueth> I get pretty decent results that way.
742 2011-04-18 06:53:15 <gjs278> alright
743 2011-04-18 06:53:30 <topi`_> jaromil: that's a policy that reminds me of Microsoft Office ... "once the boss upgrades, then the whole floor has to upgrade" :)
744 2011-04-18 06:54:06 <ersi> Like a boss!
745 2011-04-18 06:54:12 <Diablo-D3> LIKE A BAWS
746 2011-04-18 06:54:16 <jaromil> gosh. is not even 4.8
747 2011-04-18 06:54:24 <jaromil> is there a way to know which version a db is on?
748 2011-04-18 06:54:33 <Diablo-D3> jaromil: the -dev package installed.
749 2011-04-18 06:54:38 <Diablo-D3> oh
750 2011-04-18 06:54:41 <Diablo-D3> dunno
751 2011-04-18 06:54:44 <Diablo-D3> I think file might tell you
752 2011-04-18 06:55:33 <jaromil> tells me Btree, version 9, native byte-order
753 2011-04-18 06:56:14 <Diablo-D3> you're doing it on the .dat?
754 2011-04-18 06:56:36 <jaromil> yep
755 2011-04-18 06:56:42 <jaromil> Diablo-D3: i understand, your -dev hint is the key
756 2011-04-18 06:56:43 <jaromil> libdb4.8-dev: Conflicts: libdb4.7-dev but 4.7.25-9 is installed.
757 2011-04-18 06:56:57 <slueth> Diablo-D3: Sweet it runs both gpus at the same time.
758 2011-04-18 06:56:58 <jaromil> so libdb_cxx-dev is default 4.7 in debian
759 2011-04-18 06:57:01 <Diablo-D3> slueth: yup.
760 2011-04-18 06:57:10 <jaromil> but the bitcoind package uses 4.8 by default
761 2011-04-18 06:57:25 <slueth> getting crummy rates with -w 128
762 2011-04-18 06:57:34 <slueth> maybe ill use -w 256
763 2011-04-18 06:57:44 <Diablo-D3> it shouldnt need that
764 2011-04-18 06:57:44 <gjs278> 311 mhash on 256 after 5 minutes
765 2011-04-18 06:57:46 <jaromil> if one builds bitcoind from git HEAD with libdb_cxx-dev as dep then this prob will occurr
766 2011-04-18 06:58:08 <Diablo-D3> jaromil: yes, because the debian maint fucked up.
767 2011-04-18 06:58:15 <jaromil> sounds familiar
768 2011-04-18 06:58:24 <jaromil> is the debian/ dir inside the repo?
769 2011-04-18 06:58:39 <Diablo-D3> no.
770 2011-04-18 06:58:39 <jaromil> it is a very good thing to do and debian policy encourages that
771 2011-04-18 06:58:49 <Diablo-D3> and screw debian policy
772 2011-04-18 06:58:56 <Diablo-D3> its a known fact they ignore those when they dont like it
773 2011-04-18 06:59:27 <jaromil> tell me. i'm upstream for 3 packages with bugs filed which i fixed a year or more ago.. and still bothering me about them. deaf beaurocracy.
774 2011-04-18 06:59:29 <Diablo-D3> gjs278: strange.
775 2011-04-18 06:59:48 <jaromil> currently, i'm asking to become maintainer of my own packages, that works
776 2011-04-18 06:59:58 <Diablo-D3> jaromil: judiciously close as WONTFIX like everyone else
777 2011-04-18 06:59:58 <netxshare> hrm
778 2011-04-18 07:00:00 <Diablo-D3> and yeeaahhh
779 2011-04-18 07:00:06 <Diablo-D3> becoming your own maint is usually a pita
780 2011-04-18 07:00:11 <netxshare> I can not get nvcc to output ptx files
781 2011-04-18 07:00:11 <slueth> 579844/573639 khash/sec ?? What does this imply?
782 2011-04-18 07:00:12 <gjs278> fwiw, when I super downclock my memory, the java miner keeps the same hash rate
783 2011-04-18 07:00:13 <Diablo-D3> ask nenolod
784 2011-04-18 07:00:22 <gjs278> and it's actually faster than poclbm in that scenario
785 2011-04-18 07:00:23 <Diablo-D3> slueth: that implies you have a 5970 ;)
786 2011-04-18 07:00:35 <slueth> I have two 5870.. so i guess its true
787 2011-04-18 07:00:36 <jaromil> i feel that pita intensively already
788 2011-04-18 07:00:46 <gjs278> is a 5970 really just two 5870's on the same card
789 2011-04-18 07:00:50 <slueth> yea
790 2011-04-18 07:00:54 <Diablo-D3> should be closer to 630 though
791 2011-04-18 07:00:56 <lfm> slueth: use either, your choice
792 2011-04-18 07:01:04 <Diablo-D3> oh wait
793 2011-04-18 07:01:06 <slueth> Its ramping up to 600
794 2011-04-18 07:01:09 <Diablo-D3> slueth: what sdk you on?
795 2011-04-18 07:01:12 <slueth> 2.3
796 2011-04-18 07:01:15 <Diablo-D3> that explains it
797 2011-04-18 07:01:19 <slueth> i am installing 2.4 now :)
798 2011-04-18 07:01:27 <Diablo-D3> you only get fast speed on 2.1
799 2011-04-18 07:01:38 <Diablo-D3> you loose about, eh, maybe 15% on 2.3 and 2.4
800 2011-04-18 07:01:41 <Diablo-D3> maybe 20 on 2.2
801 2011-04-18 07:02:01 <Diablo-D3> slueth: I bet my miner is using all your cpu time too
802 2011-04-18 07:02:09 <slueth> oh?
803 2011-04-18 07:02:15 <Diablo-D3> unlike poclbm, when it hits the cpu use bug, it doesnt just peg one core
804 2011-04-18 07:02:18 <Diablo-D3> it pegs ALL cores.
805 2011-04-18 07:02:29 <gjs278> on 2.3, it was pegging 1 core for me
806 2011-04-18 07:02:33 <Diablo-D3> rape needs to be contained in a leak proof container. this is why.
807 2011-04-18 07:02:33 <slueth> Fun?
808 2011-04-18 07:03:55 <Diablo-D3> gjs278: I suspect windows, the driver, or the sdk was trying to be clever
809 2011-04-18 07:04:07 <Diablo-D3> setting all threads to affine the same core is usually a bad idea.
810 2011-04-18 07:04:16 <slueth> what does the -u do?
811 2011-04-18 07:04:22 <gjs278> I think that's your username
812 2011-04-18 07:04:24 <Diablo-D3> slueth: --help
813 2011-04-18 07:04:29 <slueth> thx
814 2011-04-18 07:04:50 <jaromil> i can't believe libdb has no pkg-config .pc file in debian yet
815 2011-04-18 07:05:31 <jaromil> and with such a dependency politic upstream....
816 2011-04-18 07:09:34 <slueth> wierd
817 2011-04-18 07:09:41 <slueth> you miner doesn't spike my gpu temps..
818 2011-04-18 07:10:05 <slueth> nvm its steadly increasing.. gave you too much credit
819 2011-04-18 07:10:08 <Diablo-D3> lol
820 2011-04-18 07:10:13 <Diablo-D3> GIVE IT TIME, IT RAPES ALL
821 2011-04-18 07:10:51 <slueth> I like it because of pure lazyiness and how simple it is to run both gpus in a .bat in a single click
822 2011-04-18 07:11:08 <slueth> hash rate isn't bad also
823 2011-04-18 07:13:42 <jaromil> yay, works
824 2011-04-18 07:14:36 <jaromil> Diablo-D3: thanks for your coaching
825 2011-04-18 07:14:52 <slueth> Diablo-D3: It rapes my memory also. 212k lol
826 2011-04-18 07:15:08 <Diablo-D3> 212k? thats it?!
827 2011-04-18 07:15:08 <slueth> Its okay though i have 12 gbs of ram..
828 2011-04-18 07:15:12 <slueth> Lol!
829 2011-04-18 07:15:14 <Diablo-D3> I think you meant 212 mb.
830 2011-04-18 07:15:21 <slueth> yea
831 2011-04-18 07:15:28 <Diablo-D3> well, thats java for you
832 2011-04-18 07:15:30 <Diablo-D3> fun part
833 2011-04-18 07:15:30 <slueth> yea
834 2011-04-18 07:15:33 <Diablo-D3> most of its empty.
835 2011-04-18 07:15:43 <Diablo-D3> double fun part
836 2011-04-18 07:15:46 <Diablo-D3> its not as bad on linux.
837 2011-04-18 07:16:14 <slueth> Rather program in java then c++ lol.. just tell the user to get more ram
838 2011-04-18 07:17:15 <slueth> weird that poclbm doesn't take that much resources..
839 2011-04-18 07:18:13 <slueth> takes about 85 mbs of ram
840 2011-04-18 07:19:39 <jaromil> wow ok, bitcoind compiles fine the wx GUI with autotools
841 2011-04-18 07:19:58 <jaromil> git clone git://code.dyne.org/bitcoin.git
842 2011-04-18 07:20:19 <jaromil> i'm happy if anyone tries and, if you have more time, that we can add osx and win support
843 2011-04-18 07:20:24 <lfm> mining shouldnt take much ram
844 2011-04-18 07:21:03 <slueth> its probably the jre
845 2011-04-18 08:04:26 <topi`_> slush seems to be down, but it still gives out getworks.
846 2011-04-18 08:05:06 <topi`_> jaromil: what are you exactly trying to achieve? :)
847 2011-04-18 08:05:11 <topi`_> with the old libdb
848 2011-04-18 08:07:18 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.1999,"low":1.0273,"vol":31337,"buy":1.1304,"sell":1.1799,"last":1.1304}}
849 2011-04-18 08:07:18 <JFK911> ;;bc,mtgox
850 2011-04-18 08:07:30 <JFK911> huge spread
851 2011-04-18 08:07:56 <retinal> >"vol":31337
852 2011-04-18 08:08:54 <jeremias> mtgox.com makes 31337*0.0068=213 BTC from that volume
853 2011-04-18 08:09:09 <jeremias> not yet very good business, but I'll bet it will become much more profitable
854 2011-04-18 08:09:23 <jeremias> + they make money from deposits/withdrawals
855 2011-04-18 08:09:31 <retinal> that's a wildly inaccurate estimation
856 2011-04-18 08:09:48 <retinal> you're assuming that every BTC is traded once
857 2011-04-18 08:09:52 <jeremias> well, mtgox takes 0.68% from each trade?
858 2011-04-18 08:10:06 <retinal> and that doesn't take dark pools into account
859 2011-04-18 08:10:29 <retinal> but whatever, it's late and I'm doing too much thinking
860 2011-04-18 08:10:31 <ersi> topi`_: He's getting DDoSed. That, made the site churn down the MySQL which broke mining. He fixed MySQL so mining works
861 2011-04-18 08:10:32 <BurtyB> looks like britcoin is down again :(
862 2011-04-18 08:10:33 <retinal> (-ap;)
863 2011-04-18 08:10:34 <jeremias> well, so they make more money from dark pools?
864 2011-04-18 08:10:45 <jeremias> they are making at least 213 BTC
865 2011-04-18 08:10:50 <jeremias> + some more money from dark pools
866 2011-04-18 08:11:00 <jeremias> + some more from withdrawal/deposits
867 2011-04-18 08:17:46 <topi`_> ersi: so my found blocks will still end up in the db even though the web frontend is down?
868 2011-04-18 08:18:53 <ersi> topi`_: Yeah, slush was here just a moment ago explaining what's up
869 2011-04-18 08:19:07 <ersi> Since the back-end is alright, mining works and work is recorded
870 2011-04-18 08:27:08 <jaromil> topi`_: sry i was away
871 2011-04-18 08:27:43 <jaromil> topi`_: task accomplished: compilation of a working bitcoind from git HEAD on debian 6, which works on a db already created with debian's shipped bitcoind
872 2011-04-18 08:27:47 <topi`_> i think i'll also go away, it's a good day to sit in a cafe and think a bit and write some tidbitrs
873 2011-04-18 08:28:01 <jaromil> mmm might join you on that?
874 2011-04-18 08:28:10 <topi`_> have any ideas for a cafe?
875 2011-04-18 08:28:24 <jaromil> but later, have a friend leaving at 15 and then some post to send
876 2011-04-18 08:28:31 <topi`_> ok
877 2011-04-18 08:28:39 <lfm> Ya, Im headed for Tim Horton's
878 2011-04-18 08:29:06 <jaromil> but if we meet this evening i can show you the autotools branch :D nothing new, just bitcoind easy to compile
879 2011-04-18 08:29:35 <jaromil> actually i wonder where is genjix
880 2011-04-18 08:29:38 <jaromil> k gotta go, bbl
881 2011-04-18 08:32:44 <genjix> jaromil: topi`_, https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/164
882 2011-04-18 08:32:57 <topi`_> bye
883 2011-04-18 08:34:57 <topi`_> genjix: who's hosting this "bitnom"?
884 2011-04-18 09:00:21 <iera> hi, what do you think about shifting the ddos barrier to 0.001 as coins are worth more?
885 2011-04-18 09:00:52 <Tritonio> Is there an incentive to share transatctions with other nodes? Or is the best strategy (by a small margin f course) to keep transactions just for your block?
886 2011-04-18 09:01:04 <Tritonio> ddos barrier?
887 2011-04-18 09:01:29 <iera> yes i read if you transfer less than 0.01, it gets eaten up by the transfer fee
888 2011-04-18 09:04:05 <Tritonio> I think transfer fees are optional. Although I am not sure if the current clients drop transactions that don't include a fee.
889 2011-04-18 09:04:43 <iera> hm can anybody give a statement how the fees are or are not implemented currently?
890 2011-04-18 09:15:15 <da2ce7> https://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=6047.0
891 2011-04-18 09:15:27 <da2ce7> Dedicated hosting wanted.
892 2011-04-18 09:20:00 <sacarlson> I seem to be stuck on my private network reset of a proto bitcoin in obtaining a matching nNonce for a new genesisblock
893 2011-04-18 09:20:33 <sipa> you don't need to
894 2011-04-18 09:20:38 <sipa> the genesis block isn't checked
895 2011-04-18 09:22:01 <sacarlson> sipa: well I guess I found the first block for my new pszTimestamp="The Times 16/Apr/2011 Tornadoes and vicious winds left 17 people dead across four states"
896 2011-04-18 09:22:45 <sacarlson> sipa: I created a new block_hashMerkleRoot=0x59ff32c265f059e082c72e73e86754b12496407b95b1b7e3ad4b185b8c444a3e
897 2011-04-18 09:23:55 <noagendamarket> weathercoin ?
898 2011-04-18 09:23:57 <noagendamarket> lol
899 2011-04-18 09:24:00 <sacarlson> sipa: I with that I set block_nNonce=1 and found the first block
900 2011-04-18 09:24:51 <sacarlson> noagendamarket: no just only thing I could find in the paper that day
901 2011-04-18 09:25:07 <noagendamarket> ah
902 2011-04-18 09:25:27 <noagendamarket> did it have to be about death and destruction ^_^
903 2011-04-18 09:26:11 <sacarlson> noagendamarket: that's suposed to prove that you knew something that happened on that day, no I just picked the front page headline
904 2011-04-18 09:26:43 <noagendamarket> the front page here was about corrupt police :)
905 2011-04-18 09:27:05 <sacarlson> noagendamarket: maybe that today but I started this days ago
906 2011-04-18 09:28:38 <sacarlson> even though I have been able to transfer funds back and fourth on the private network I still can't get the program to shutdown and restart
907 2011-04-18 09:28:53 <topi`_> da2ce7: I have a Beagle board on the server room ;)
908 2011-04-18 09:29:01 <topi`_> it's not a Dual opteron, though.
909 2011-04-18 09:29:07 <topi`_> and has 256 MB of ram! :)
910 2011-04-18 09:29:19 <da2ce7> ;;bc,mtgox
911 2011-04-18 09:29:20 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.1999,"low":1.0273,"vol":31023,"buy":1.1453,"sell":1.1764,"last":1.1417}}
912 2011-04-18 09:39:05 <sipa> how low has it been since the last block?