1 2011-04-22 00:11:27 <afed> who among you have used mtgox direct deposit
  2 2011-04-22 00:11:34 <d2rkc0r3> Irssi: #bitcoin: Total of 3205 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 3205 normal]
  3 2011-04-22 00:11:35 <afed> do you trust these guys with your banking infos?
  4 2011-04-22 00:11:38 <d2rkc0r3> Oh wow
  5 2011-04-22 00:12:42 <lulzplzkthx> o.o d2rkc0r3
  6 2011-04-22 00:12:45 <lulzplzkthx> nobody uses that channel though
  7 2011-04-22 00:12:49 <lulzplzkthx> as far as i've seen it's all idles.
  8 2011-04-22 00:12:57 <lulzplzkthx> err, or is that the one for nodes to connect to?
  9 2011-04-22 00:14:20 <jgarzik> lulzplzkthx: #bitcoin was reclaimed days ago
 10 2011-04-22 00:16:54 <d2rkc0r3> jgarzik: the server seems to be buckling under all those clients. Clients connect and are immediately disconnected because their sendq is too high. Some make it though...
 11 2011-04-22 00:17:20 <jgarzik> d2rkc0r3: oh, you're talking about the IRC server used for seeding?
 12 2011-04-22 00:17:29 <jgarzik> d2rkc0r3: that's why we added dns seeding
 13 2011-04-22 00:18:02 <d2rkc0r3> Can you explain how that works?
 14 2011-04-22 00:18:09 <d2rkc0r3> or give me a resource
 15 2011-04-22 00:20:34 <sacarlson> afed: so far I only have 1 btc in mtgox to test it but I was thinking about puting $1000 in there to take the next step
 16 2011-04-22 00:20:51 <afed> sacarlson: i was thinkg about using it to withdraw
 17 2011-04-22 00:21:01 <afed> sacarlson: instead of liberty reserve
 18 2011-04-22 00:21:02 <jgarzik> d2rkc0r3: 0.3.21 release candidate, -dnsseed obtains network addresses via DNS, rather than IRC
 19 2011-04-22 00:21:11 <jgarzik> d2rkc0r3: IRC seeding is optional
 20 2011-04-22 00:22:31 <sacarlson> afed: well I thought liberty reserve was just one way to get money in and I guess out into $usd to get into btc into your local computer I guess it would go through mtgox
 21 2011-04-22 00:22:51 <afed> you aren't making any sense
 22 2011-04-22 00:23:33 <sacarlson> afed: are thinking liberty reserve can transfer to btc direct?
 23 2011-04-22 00:23:48 <afed> never mind
 24 2011-04-22 00:26:35 <sacarlson> in ubuntu 10.04 I'm getting ImportError: No module named jsonrpc in spesmilo, what package would this be in ubuntu?
 25 2011-04-22 00:27:01 <sacarlson> would this be it python-transmissionrpc ?
 26 2011-04-22 00:29:29 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r77addc4af40a spesmilo/settings.py: Bugfix: provide tr function for _NotFancyURLopener authentication error http://tinyurl.com/3st7vrd
 27 2011-04-22 00:29:30 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r929309a2f89a spesmilo/ipc.py: Bugfix: if Win32 platform, prepend IPC address with \\ to get a named pipe http://tinyurl.com/3ccj6uo
 28 2011-04-22 00:29:31 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r87ecaee1bd1a spesmilo/main.py: Bugfix: yay, a new kind of "connection refused" error :/ http://tinyurl.com/3kfkxjt
 29 2011-04-22 00:29:32 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r831d97037f96 spesmilo/settings.py: Bugfix: Hide missing language files from combobox in settings http://tinyurl.com/4254lmg
 30 2011-04-22 00:39:24 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r13a7138b90cd spesmilo/spesmilo.nsis: 0.0.1.beta1 http://tinyurl.com/4y85byc
 31 2011-04-22 00:43:32 <luke-jr> https://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=6273.msg91947#msg91947
 32 2011-04-22 00:46:29 <tcatm> luke-jr:     import anynumber
 33 2011-04-22 00:46:46 <tcatm> mhm wrong line. but it's missing that lib
 34 2011-04-22 00:47:55 <luke-jr> tcatm: did you make local?
 35 2011-04-22 00:48:28 <tcatm> nope. a makefile for a python script?
 36 2011-04-22 00:48:34 <luke-jr> yes, you need to compile it too :p
 37 2011-04-22 00:48:38 <luke-jr> make local && make && ./spesmilo
 38 2011-04-22 00:48:58 <tcatm> make: lrelease: not found
 39 2011-04-22 00:49:15 <luke-jr> guess I should list the dependencies&
 40 2011-04-22 00:49:48 <tcatm> better use a setup.py like every other python program
 41 2011-04-22 00:50:09 <luke-jr> tcatm: that one is part of PySide
 42 2011-04-22 00:50:13 <luke-jr> you need ImageMagick too
 43 2011-04-22 00:50:30 <tcatm> imagemagick? what for?
 44 2011-04-22 00:50:41 <sacarlson> I think I found this for spesmilo that might be what I need svn checkout http://svn.json-rpc.org/trunk/python-jsonrpc
 45 2011-04-22 00:50:44 <luke-jr> to convert the source .xpm and .svg to .png
 46 2011-04-22 00:51:08 <luke-jr> sacarlson: 'make local' will get all the pure-Python dependencies
 47 2011-04-22 00:51:56 <sacarlson> luke-jr cd cd ~/spesmilo ; make local ?
 48 2011-04-22 00:52:06 <tcatm> so where do I get lrelease?
 49 2011-04-22 00:52:16 <luke-jr> tcatm: PySide
 50 2011-04-22 00:52:37 <sacarlson> tcatm: I got pyside form ppa
 51 2011-04-22 00:53:01 <luke-jr> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:pyside && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install python-pyside
 52 2011-04-22 00:53:07 <luke-jr> according to some instructions genjix put in
 53 2011-04-22 00:53:16 <tcatm> luke-jr: done that. still no lrelease
 54 2011-04-22 00:53:20 <luke-jr> O.o
 55 2011-04-22 00:53:30 <tcatm> libpyside-dev seems to install it
 56 2011-04-22 00:53:34 <luke-jr> ah
 57 2011-04-22 00:54:00 <tcatm> ./spesmilo \n AttributeError: 'PySide.QtGui.QApplication' object has no attribute 'setFont'
 58 2011-04-22 00:54:19 <luke-jr> x.x
 59 2011-04-22 00:54:33 <luke-jr> what version of PySide
 60 2011-04-22 00:54:40 <luke-jr> I'm using 1.0.0
 61 2011-04-22 00:54:59 <tcatm> Version: 0.4.1-0ubuntu1
 62 2011-04-22 00:55:51 <sacarlson> from make local; PROPFIND of '/trunk/python-jsonrpc/jsonrpc': Could not read status line: connection was closed by server (http://svn.json-rpc.org)
 63 2011-04-22 00:56:06 <luke-jr> sacarlson: try again? O.o
 64 2011-04-22 00:56:08 <luke-jr> I just tested it
 65 2011-04-22 00:56:13 <luke-jr> brb
 66 2011-04-22 00:56:13 <sacarlson> ok
 67 2011-04-22 00:56:18 <tcatm> after removing tonal support: RuntimeError: Internal C++ object already deleted.
 68 2011-04-22 00:59:12 <sacarlson> luke-jr: seems the site works but tried ; make local 20 more times same error
 69 2011-04-22 01:03:41 <tcatm> luke-jr: windows installer doesn't work on win7: Error opening file for writing: c:Progam Files (x86)Spesmilospesmilo.exe
 70 2011-04-22 01:05:57 <luke-jr> tcatm: you really should learn to read instructions -.-
 71 2011-04-22 01:06:07 <luke-jr> in this case, the bit about it only installing as Administrator
 72 2011-04-22 01:06:19 <luke-jr> since apparently normal users can't write to Program Files
 73 2011-04-22 01:10:56 <tcatm> seems to work now
 74 2011-04-22 01:11:19 <luke-jr> XD
 75 2011-04-22 01:12:10 <sacarlson> I checked whe json-rpc.org site and used there method and get the same error so seems the svn server is down or doesn't like thailand
 76 2011-04-22 01:12:32 <tcatm> luke-jr: initial connecting is very slow
 77 2011-04-22 01:13:07 <sacarlson> I've had problems with svn servers before not sure why
 78 2011-04-22 01:13:23 <witten> luke-jr: have you got any screenshots of spesmilo?
 79 2011-04-22 01:14:41 <tcatm> luke-jr: what's 50.00006.00 BTC?
 80 2011-04-22 01:15:47 <tcatm> http://i.imgur.com/WhQcb.jpg
 81 2011-04-22 01:18:42 <davex__> tcatm, has there been any discussion on http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/1960.html wrt mtgox?
 82 2011-04-22 01:19:29 <davex__> wondered if it applies, guess they used that to shut down egold
 83 2011-04-22 01:21:05 <tcatm> davex__: IIRC that's what the $1000/day limit is for
 84 2011-04-22 01:21:31 <davex__> oh, didn't know about that.
 85 2011-04-22 01:22:00 <tcatm> and mtgox is outside US jurisdiction anyway
 86 2011-04-22 01:22:23 <davex__> ah
 87 2011-04-22 01:24:48 <sgornick> tcatm: Server is in KC or somewhere.
 88 2011-04-22 01:25:12 <tcatm> yep but mt is not
 89 2011-04-22 01:25:27 <sgornick> I'ld wonder if a bitcoin wallet holding a significant number of bitcoins is in KC as well.
 90 2011-04-22 01:27:01 <sgornick> I wonder the same thing about ClearCoin's VMs on Amazon EC2.
 91 2011-04-22 01:27:58 <tcatm> they hopefully have backups
 92 2011-04-22 01:28:14 <witten> it would be cool if namecoin or one of the bitdns proposals included a distributed namespace for mapping emails / user identities to bitcoin addresses
 93 2011-04-22 01:28:39 <witten> so you could send coins to foo@example.com without having to hit a web server or to do the lookup like some of the proposals on the forums
 94 2011-04-22 01:28:52 <sgornick> backups don't help protect if the siezed wallet gets spent / transferred out first.
 95 2011-04-22 01:29:12 <tcatm> true
 96 2011-04-22 01:30:15 <noagendamarket> witten an open id block chain
 97 2011-04-22 01:30:43 <noagendamarket> your identity is tied to a private public key
 98 2011-04-22 01:31:05 <witten> noagendamarket: open id, email address, whatever
 99 2011-04-22 01:31:26 <witten> noagendamarket: some identifying string where people can send (non-anonymous) coins
100 2011-04-22 01:32:12 <witten> I know there was some discussion here a few days ago regarding whether it's a good idea to use a separate block chain for things like this
101 2011-04-22 01:32:53 <noagendamarket> the idea would be to mine all the block chains at the same time
102 2011-04-22 01:37:07 <luke-jr> witten: the wiki has some
103 2011-04-22 01:37:10 <luke-jr> tcatm: fees?
104 2011-04-22 01:37:31 <tcatm> luke-jr: probably. still a strange way to format a decimal
105 2011-04-22 01:37:42 <luke-jr> oh wait
106 2011-04-22 01:37:45 <luke-jr> wtf O.o
107 2011-04-22 01:40:04 <luke-jr> it's supposed to be adding a '0' or '.00' to deci-precise amounts and integers
108 2011-04-22 01:41:23 <luke-jr> tcatm: is that still Windows, or did you get the source working?
109 2011-04-22 01:41:54 <sacarlson> witten: well with a new block chain you no longer need to follow the rules so anything is posible
110 2011-04-22 01:42:06 <tcatm> luke-jr: win7
111 2011-04-22 01:42:12 <witten> sacarlson: true
112 2011-04-22 01:42:21 <luke-jr> k, I'll just have to assume my own testing suffices I guess XD
113 2011-04-22 01:42:27 <witten> sacarlson: does it mean you need multiple currencies though?
114 2011-04-22 01:42:47 <sacarlson> witten: yes I would think so
115 2011-04-22 01:43:09 <luke-jr> tcatm: thanks for the bug report
116 2011-04-22 01:43:20 <witten> sacarlson: seems like it would be annoying to have a separate currency for each block chain
117 2011-04-22 01:44:42 <sacarlson> witten: well in a future release of bitcoin currency could posibly add a custom space to be used to add user info but that would have to be agreed apon at some point
118 2011-04-22 01:45:02 <witten> sacarlson: right
119 2011-04-22 01:45:52 <sacarlson> witten: how much space do you want? how about 100 bytes?
120 2011-04-22 01:46:07 <witten> sacarlson: sure
121 2011-04-22 01:46:42 <sacarlson> witten:  maybe an even 255 or 256 bytes for text or more likely xml data
122 2011-04-22 01:48:23 <sacarlson> witten: we could write a test chain and see if it works and then see if it would be accepted in the next release, or would that add some traceability that some would not like?
123 2011-04-22 01:49:28 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r3b7160b50b62 spesmilo/settings.py: Bugfix: Don't append <0.01 precisions with an extra .00 http://tinyurl.com/3oyr3sk
124 2011-04-22 01:52:45 <Androgynous> hello
125 2011-04-22 01:53:34 <luke-jr> tcatm: want some TBC for the bug report? :P
126 2011-04-22 01:53:39 <witten> sacarlson: yeah
127 2011-04-22 01:53:56 <tcatm> luke-jr: 1PWXvYX5eHmeb4dP5UXkFm4M9ikF24ekzC
128 2011-04-22 01:54:09 <witten> sacarlson: I guess I should read up on what's been so far
129 2011-04-22 01:55:17 <Androgynous> so many people online, though I know it doesn't mean they're "here"
130 2011-04-22 01:55:19 <Androgynous> :3
131 2011-04-22 01:56:22 <luke-jr> hmm
132 2011-04-22 01:56:41 <Androgynous> I'm new, incase it isn't obviously obvious
133 2011-04-22 01:56:50 <luke-jr> jgarzik: interested in a xf2.org branded Spesmilo to connect to your wallet hosting? ;)
134 2011-04-22 02:14:30 <Androgynous> anyone interested in humoring a newbie?
135 2011-04-22 02:32:57 <dirtyfilthy> Androgynous: hi
136 2011-04-22 02:33:01 <Androgynous> hey
137 2011-04-22 02:33:20 <jgarzik> luke-jr: :)
138 2011-04-22 02:33:21 <dirtyfilthy> i'll try to help if i can
139 2011-04-22 02:33:27 <jgarzik> luke-jr: you never know...
140 2011-04-22 02:33:55 <Androgynous> I was wondering if mining was anonymous w/o tor
141 2011-04-22 02:35:33 <Androgynous> dirtyfilthy
142 2011-04-22 02:35:36 <sacarlson> I tried to get jsonrpc on another box with ubuntu 10.10 with the same problem stuck at svn,  I see the files on the web site so i'm going to try wget -r http://json-rpc.org/browser/trunk/python-jsonrpc to see if I can get what I need
143 2011-04-22 02:35:55 <dirtyfilthy> well it depends on if you were actively being monitored i guess
144 2011-04-22 02:35:56 <doublec> Androgynous: mining is anonymous in that you get 50 fresh anonymous coins when you find a block
145 2011-04-22 02:36:32 <doublec> Androgynous: but depending on what you do with them, you may be identified if someone was researching your transactions
146 2011-04-22 02:36:52 <Androgynous> i see, i read in how transactions can be used to identify
147 2011-04-22 02:37:07 <Androgynous> about how*
148 2011-04-22 02:37:14 <lfm_> Androgynous: ya it pretty much is. It snot totally anonymous tho. I very rich enemy could try to find you by putting lots of node to work mapping the spread of new blocks
149 2011-04-22 02:37:32 <Androgynous> but the actual creation of a specific block isn't logged publcly?
150 2011-04-22 02:37:56 <Androgynous> only transactions?
151 2011-04-22 02:38:28 <dirtyfilthy> the new block is logged, it could be you created it or could be you are rebroadcasting it's creation though
152 2011-04-22 02:38:41 <lfm_> every new block is logged by every node but there is no identifying info in the blopck really
153 2011-04-22 02:39:10 <Androgynous> what about the address the 50 BTC are sent to?
154 2011-04-22 02:39:32 <Androgynous> or whatever the share may be
155 2011-04-22 02:39:34 <lfm_> the 50 byc reward might be traced back to you by when and how you spend them also
156 2011-04-22 02:39:53 <Androgynous> so as long as I don't spend them
157 2011-04-22 02:40:01 <Androgynous> no address can be connected to the block?
158 2011-04-22 02:40:07 <doublec> Androgynous: the 50 btc are created in a new address
159 2011-04-22 02:40:13 <doublec> Androgynous: not traced to any other address
160 2011-04-22 02:40:18 <Androgynous> oooh
161 2011-04-22 02:40:23 <doublec> Androgynous: there is no identifying information with them
162 2011-04-22 02:40:24 <lfm_> no ip address is connected to any blocks
163 2011-04-22 02:40:29 <Androgynous> doublec: thank you
164 2011-04-22 02:40:36 <Androgynous> i'm not talking about ip address
165 2011-04-22 02:40:45 <Androgynous> i'm reffering to the public address
166 2011-04-22 02:40:47 <Androgynous> or key
167 2011-04-22 02:40:49 <Androgynous> my mistake
168 2011-04-22 02:40:56 <doublec> this is one of the nice things about freshly minted coins
169 2011-04-22 02:41:08 <lfm_> ok the 50 btc reward is allocated to a NEW bitcoin address unique for that block
170 2011-04-22 02:41:36 <Androgynous> and the key/address is logged with the creation of the block?
171 2011-04-22 02:41:37 <Androgynous> or not?
172 2011-04-22 02:41:52 <lfm_> yes its logged
173 2011-04-22 02:42:16 <Androgynous> i see
174 2011-04-22 02:42:17 <jgarzik> Androgynous: it's in the block's first txout: http://blockexplorer.com/tx/3cef99a5e162d560d65a102a9362e177d3c4739105eac52dd06b9bb0ba14950a
175 2011-04-22 02:42:23 <lfm_> you might want to look at
176 2011-04-22 02:42:45 <Androgynous> ah i see
177 2011-04-22 02:42:46 <jgarzik> Androgynous: just like any other transaction, you need a destination for the money
178 2011-04-22 02:42:54 <lfm_> http://blockexplorer.com/
179 2011-04-22 02:43:09 <doublec> Androgynous: and here's an example of a block: http://blockexplorer.com/b/119531
180 2011-04-22 02:43:12 <Androgynous> but since it is a fresh address, it isn't connected to any other addresses
181 2011-04-22 02:43:20 <jgarzik> Androgynous: correct
182 2011-04-22 02:43:24 <doublec> Androgynous: note the first transaction which says 50+0.1 generation and the address it went to
183 2011-04-22 02:43:32 <jgarzik> Androgynous: though it is theoretically possible to put any address in there
184 2011-04-22 02:43:32 <lfm_> untill you move or spend
185 2011-04-22 02:43:33 <doublec> Androgynous: which is a new fresh address
186 2011-04-22 02:43:34 <lfm_> it
187 2011-04-22 02:43:58 <doublec> jgarzik: good point. that's what puddinpop's original mining pool did
188 2011-04-22 02:43:59 <dreamer_> MagicalTux : Morpheus come through of course, add a +1 to Morpheus being a decent and honest person, and disregard my earlier.. character assassination :)
189 2011-04-22 02:44:02 <Androgynous> I suppose that is the most anonymous form of savings
190 2011-04-22 02:45:00 <Androgynous> thank you all <3
191 2011-04-22 02:45:09 <Androgynous> i'd send BTC
192 2011-04-22 02:45:25 <Androgynous> if i had enough
193 2011-04-22 02:45:28 <Androgynous> so instead
194 2011-04-22 02:45:36 <Androgynous> i'll give you all 1 Internet =D
195 2011-04-22 02:45:49 <doublec> Androgynous: do you have any BTC?
196 2011-04-22 02:45:58 <Androgynous> .05
197 2011-04-22 02:46:01 <Androgynous> Faucet
198 2011-04-22 02:46:07 <doublec> cool, was going to mention the faucet
199 2011-04-22 02:46:44 <doublec> Androgynous: paste an address and I'll send some for asking interesting questions :)
200 2011-04-22 02:48:15 <noagendamarket> Androgynous http://free.witcoin.com
201 2011-04-22 02:48:25 <Androgynous> 12sQvkZ2mo3z4NBJMts1EpPSoKiZq1HPYG
202 2011-04-22 02:48:58 <doublec> Androgynous: sent
203 2011-04-22 02:49:05 <noagendamarket> ask as many interesting questions as you like :)-
204 2011-04-22 02:49:25 <Androgynous> doublec: thank you <3
205 2011-04-22 02:49:33 <doublec> np
206 2011-04-22 02:56:57 <Androgynous> is a new receiving address created everytime I no longer have a clean one?
207 2011-04-22 02:57:28 <lfm_> what you mean clean one?
208 2011-04-22 02:57:50 <Androgynous> one w/o logs
209 2011-04-22 02:58:09 <Androgynous> there are 3 receiving addresses i have
210 2011-04-22 02:58:16 <nanotube> Androgynous: generally, new address is created every time you send something. iirc.
211 2011-04-22 02:58:24 <nanotube> (also possibly when you receive... i don't recall.
212 2011-04-22 02:58:26 <nanotube> )
213 2011-04-22 02:58:33 <nanotube> over time... your addressbook just grows.
214 2011-04-22 02:58:38 <lfm_> theres actually 100 "clean" addresses kept ready in your wallet all the time
215 2011-04-22 02:58:51 <Androgynous> i only need to normally view one clean on at a time though?
216 2011-04-22 02:58:57 <Androgynous> one*
217 2011-04-22 02:59:04 <lfm_> ya
218 2011-04-22 02:59:56 <Androgynous> hmm
219 2011-04-22 03:00:01 <todd_> what do you mean by a clean address?
220 2011-04-22 03:00:12 <Androgynous> i was reffering to ones w/ no history
221 2011-04-22 03:00:27 <lfm_> sometimes you want to give out a number of addresses before they receive anything, thats what the "new" button is for
222 2011-04-22 03:01:45 <Androgynous> lfm_+: ah, it seems to have the clean one pop up in the box automatically
223 2011-04-22 03:02:21 <lfm_> ya when ever you receive a txn on that default address, it will change to the next one
224 2011-04-22 03:02:27 <Androgynous> cool
225 2011-04-22 03:03:08 <Androgynous> the address book has "send" and "receive" addresses
226 2011-04-22 03:03:15 <Androgynous> can one be used for both?
227 2011-04-22 03:03:37 <nanotube> Androgynous: no. the 'send' addresses are other people's addresses that you've sent to in the past.
228 2011-04-22 03:03:42 <nanotube> never mix them up!
229 2011-04-22 03:03:51 <Androgynous> nanotube: lol, thank you
230 2011-04-22 03:03:52 <nanotube> otherwise you might give someone someone else's address and never get your money :)
231 2011-04-22 03:03:53 <doublec> people have done that in the past..bad idea
232 2011-04-22 03:04:07 <lfm_> Androgynous: you can send to yourself but normally you send to other poeples addresses
233 2011-04-22 03:05:37 <Androgynous> i suppose the only reason I would send between addresses is to condense BTC to single addresses
234 2011-04-22 03:06:00 <Androgynous> but, I probably wouldn't be doing any of that with anon funds
235 2011-04-22 03:06:33 <Androgynous> 'cept through a mixer or something like that
236 2011-04-22 03:10:40 <Kiba> the bitcoin meme had hijacked our cognitive functions and command us to replicat itself
237 2011-04-22 03:11:34 <Kiba> in spreading itself from computers to computers, it tweak the machinery of incentives to allow civilization to advance forward
238 2011-04-22 03:12:43 <Androgynous> do i smell copypasta?
239 2011-04-22 03:13:13 <Androgynous> I can't really say
240 2011-04-22 03:14:08 <Kiba> hmm?
241 2011-04-22 03:14:15 <Androgynous> nvm
242 2011-04-22 03:14:16 <Androgynous> :3
243 2011-04-22 03:19:00 <Androgynous> is there a way to test if the bitcoin client is working w/ tor?
244 2011-04-22 03:19:32 <MagicalTux> install wireshark?
245 2011-04-22 03:20:10 <Kiba> What do we really want and how do we achieve it?
246 2011-04-22 03:20:33 <Androgynous> how should I treat philosophy here?
247 2011-04-22 03:20:34 <Androgynous> <<
248 2011-04-22 03:20:48 <Androgynous> Kiba seems to be putting of the philosophy vibe
249 2011-04-22 03:20:53 <Androgynous> off*
250 2011-04-22 03:21:10 <nanotube> Androgynous: easy is... see if you're getting blocks... your block count should be ,,bc,blocks currently
251 2011-04-22 03:21:11 <gribble> 119535
252 2011-04-22 03:21:15 <Kiba> philosophical and econ
253 2011-04-22 03:21:29 <nanotube> Kiba: maybe that's more topical in #bitcoin :)
254 2011-04-22 03:22:25 <Androgynous> nanotube: ???
255 2011-04-22 03:22:49 <nanotube> Androgynous: see topic on #bitcoin channel :)
256 2011-04-22 03:23:16 <Kiba> nanotube: well, I want my magazine to encourage a tradition of self-analysis
257 2011-04-22 03:23:39 <jgarzik> whee, smashed 1.2 a while ago today, and now we're back in that range again
258 2011-04-22 03:24:04 <nanotube> jgarzik: yep, you can thank me for that. :D
259 2011-04-22 03:25:07 <Androgynous> the wiki acting up?
260 2011-04-22 03:25:39 <nanotube> Androgynous: i see mysql problems too
261 2011-04-22 03:25:44 <nanotube> MagicalTux: ping ^
262 2011-04-22 03:26:06 <Androgynous> nanotube: see my comment on #bitcoin
263 2011-04-22 03:26:10 <Androgynous> weird coincidence
264 2011-04-22 03:26:54 <nanotube> hehe
265 2011-04-22 03:28:01 <Androgynous> does the wiki have a hidden service?
266 2011-04-22 03:28:02 <MagicalTux> nanotube, pong
267 2011-04-22 03:28:14 <Androgynous> i can't really check, because of it being down
268 2011-04-22 03:28:25 <Androgynous> -ish
269 2011-04-22 03:28:37 <hacim> anyone else having difficulty adding bitcoins to mtgox?
270 2011-04-22 03:28:50 <nanotube> MagicalTux: wiki problems, it seems...
271 2011-04-22 03:28:58 <hacim> when I try to add ~10btc I get "Exception"
272 2011-04-22 03:29:09 <Androgynous> Inception? :0
273 2011-04-22 03:29:28 <nanotube> MagicalTux: ah back up now...
274 2011-04-22 03:29:33 <MagicalTux> nanotube, nah, got one bad disk, tried to replace it, but to no avail
275 2011-04-22 03:29:40 <MagicalTux> well
276 2011-04-22 03:29:45 <MagicalTux> rebooted the server, syncing raid
277 2011-04-22 03:30:10 <nanotube> mm ok. :)
278 2011-04-22 03:32:43 <MagicalTux> if I stop mysql & apache, raid sync is much faster
279 2011-04-22 04:30:57 <Kiba> so
280 2011-04-22 04:31:05 <Androgynous> ?
281 2011-04-22 04:31:26 <Kiba> I am working on a google chrome extension for bitcoin
282 2011-04-22 04:31:53 <Androgynous> cool :3
283 2011-04-22 04:32:01 <Androgynous> what'll it do?
284 2011-04-22 04:32:29 <Kiba> make it easy to send bitcoin
285 2011-04-22 04:32:33 <Kiba> that what it does
286 2011-04-22 04:32:55 <noagendamarket> didnt we already have one ?
287 2011-04-22 04:33:16 <Kiba> and I am ripping up the codebase
288 2011-04-22 04:33:23 <Kiba> it's disordered
289 2011-04-22 04:33:32 <Kiba> and repeat itself too much..
290 2011-04-22 04:34:29 <Androgynous> last updated?
291 2011-04-22 04:34:39 <Kiba> long time ago
292 2011-04-22 04:35:30 <Androgynous> alright then
293 2011-04-22 04:39:20 <BitcoinExchange> Join #bitcoin-exchange for BitcoinExchange Services - Exchange Bitcoin for prepaid debit cards, visa gift cards, virtual credit cards, moneypak, and gift cards for all major US retail stores, restaurants, and grocery stores - Both buy & sell - http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=6223.0
294 2011-04-22 05:17:48 <slueth> is there a way to run two cards/ one ati and one gtx? I can't get it to reconize them both.
295 2011-04-22 05:23:18 <dbitcoin> ;;bc,gen 100000
296 2011-04-22 05:23:19 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 100000 Khps, given current difficulty of 92347.59095209 , is 1.0891766317 BTC per day and 0.0453823596541 BTC per hour.
297 2011-04-22 05:28:24 <Beremat> ;;bc,gen 420000
298 2011-04-22 05:28:25 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 420000 Khps, given current difficulty of 92347.59095209 , is 4.57454185313 BTC per day and 0.190605910547 BTC per hour.
299 2011-04-22 05:29:31 <Androgynous> for what things do I need port 8333 to be open for?
300 2011-04-22 05:30:33 <Diablo-D3> faster network speed
301 2011-04-22 05:30:41 <Diablo-D3> otherwise you have to rely on peers that have their 8333 open
302 2011-04-22 05:32:15 <Androgynous> network speed, what does that help with?
303 2011-04-22 05:32:22 <Androgynous> confirming, DLing blocks?
304 2011-04-22 05:32:28 <Diablo-D3> yeah
305 2011-04-22 05:32:32 <Diablo-D3> also gives you more connections
306 2011-04-22 05:32:55 <Androgynous> best way to open ports?
307 2011-04-22 05:33:55 <Diablo-D3> tell your router to forward them to your machine
308 2011-04-22 05:34:02 <Diablo-D3> or enable upnp on it
309 2011-04-22 05:35:05 <chmod755> iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 8333 -j ACCEPT
310 2011-04-22 05:36:08 <Diablo-D3> chmod755: thats only if he firewalled his own box with iptables
311 2011-04-22 05:36:47 <Androgynous> i'm not sure if the router has it open...
312 2011-04-22 05:36:55 <Androgynous> i know my windows firewall has it closed
313 2011-04-22 05:37:56 <chmod755> http://nmap-online.com/
314 2011-04-22 05:38:27 <Diablo-D3> Androgynous: you should turn windows firewall off anyhow
315 2011-04-22 05:38:39 <Diablo-D3> it doesnt work and its implemented so badly it slows all network connections down badly
316 2011-04-22 05:38:56 <Androgynous> it's pretty nice for windows 7
317 2011-04-22 05:39:08 <Androgynous> never given me much trouble
318 2011-04-22 05:39:29 <Androgynous> though, i haven't run a speed test w/ it off
319 2011-04-22 05:39:32 <Androgynous> might help
320 2011-04-22 05:41:12 <Diablo-D3> it also doesnt stop the connections it needs to
321 2011-04-22 05:41:55 <Androgynous> really?
322 2011-04-22 05:42:01 <Androgynous> :/
323 2011-04-22 05:43:37 <Diablo-D3> yeah, its useless
324 2011-04-22 05:47:35 <retinal> useless, but not /completely/ useless ;)
325 2011-04-22 05:47:44 <Diablo-D3> retinal: well
326 2011-04-22 05:47:47 <Diablo-D3> if it cant firewall
327 2011-04-22 05:47:49 <Diablo-D3> its useless
328 2011-04-22 05:47:58 <Diablo-D3> you dont rely on the machine itself to act as a firewall
329 2011-04-22 05:48:03 <Diablo-D3> thats a very bad practice
330 2011-04-22 05:48:28 <retinal> It's certainly worked the few times I needed to block network access on a per-application basis
331 2011-04-22 05:48:40 <retinal> but I can see what you're getting at
332 2011-04-22 06:39:48 <Pander> does bitcoin have a bug tracker somewhere?
333 2011-04-22 06:40:58 <lfm_> just the forums and this irc
334 2011-04-22 06:45:02 <Pander> shouldn't there be one? otherwise people are just reapeating the same issues over and over?
335 2011-04-22 06:46:01 <lfm_> ya people have been saying that, over and over
336 2011-04-22 06:46:17 <Pander> haha
337 2011-04-22 06:46:54 <Pander> well, here is one: start bitcoin on ubuntu maverick and do CTRL_TAB -> crashes hard time: ../src/gtk/window.cpp(3310): assert "Assert failure" failed in DoNavigateIn(): not implemented
338 2011-04-22 06:47:57 <lfm_> cool
339 2011-04-22 06:49:01 <lfm_> I think that is one of those " well don't do that then" sort of things. ( yes it should be fixed )
340 2011-04-22 06:49:03 <henchan> yep, same problem on my Ubuntu PC "./src/gtk/window.cpp(3310): assert "Assert failure" failed in DoNavigateIn(): not implemented"
341 2011-04-22 06:49:37 <RenaKunisaki> kinda seems like one of those things that will be reproducible on just about every machine
342 2011-04-22 06:49:38 <lfm_> assert fail isnt really a hard crash
343 2011-04-22 06:49:41 <Pander> Other issue: install http://trac.edgewall.org/
344 2011-04-22 07:22:54 <genjix> any idea why apache keeps working for a bit, then stops showing pages? i get this: http://pastebin.com/Ww0HuAaq
345 2011-04-22 07:24:57 <jaromil> genjix: you have a problem stopping apache
346 2011-04-22 07:25:01 <jaromil> prolly the script
347 2011-04-22 07:25:05 <jaromil> gmoin btw
348 2011-04-22 07:29:03 <genjix> jaromil: problem with apache? you don't say!
349 2011-04-22 07:32:11 <sgornick> http://twitter.com/#!/CmdLnKid/status/61359685244170240
350 2011-04-22 07:33:27 <ersi> l o l
351 2011-04-22 07:33:38 <sgornick> Is he talking about the bootstrap irc?
352 2011-04-22 07:33:41 <ersi> "Heart you like them bootstrapping? It's open source, idiot"
353 2011-04-22 07:33:43 <ersi> Yes, he is
354 2011-04-22 07:37:54 <MagicalTux> Value is the number of Satoshi (1 BTC = 100,000,000 Satoshi) that this output will be worth when claimed. <- mh?
355 2011-04-22 07:39:53 <genjix> Insti: hey if you can help me solve this apache problem, i'll give you 150 BTC
356 2011-04-22 07:40:10 <Insti> genjix sure
357 2011-04-22 07:41:24 <gjs278> genjix what's the problem
358 2011-04-22 07:41:31 <genjix> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4984.msg92080#msg92080
359 2011-04-22 07:42:02 <genjix> but gjs278 lets see what Insti says first since he offered to help before for free :)
360 2011-04-22 07:42:12 <genjix> he was nice enought o do that
361 2011-04-22 07:42:33 <gjs278> apachectl -k stop
362 2011-04-22 07:42:46 <gjs278> then check ps for apache processes
363 2011-04-22 07:42:53 <jaromil> genjix: its a problem with *stopping apache*
364 2011-04-22 07:42:58 <jaromil> that's all
365 2011-04-22 07:42:59 <Insti> your disk isnt full?
366 2011-04-22 07:43:18 <jaromil> look int /etc/init.d/apache2
367 2011-04-22 07:43:27 <jaromil> try to kill directly
368 2011-04-22 07:43:29 <jaromil> fix the script
369 2011-04-22 07:43:32 <jaromil> blame the distro
370 2011-04-22 07:43:35 <genjix> that's not the problem
371 2011-04-22 07:43:39 <jaromil> no?
372 2011-04-22 07:43:44 <jaromil> it looks like from your pastebin
373 2011-04-22 07:43:45 <genjix> i kill -9 the apache processes yesterday
374 2011-04-22 07:44:03 <genjix> restarted apache and it worked fine for a few hours
375 2011-04-22 07:44:03 <gjs278> clear your logs out
376 2011-04-22 07:44:10 <gjs278> and then maybe you can see something in error_log
377 2011-04-22 07:44:12 <gjs278> about it dying
378 2011-04-22 07:44:18 <jaromil> right. logs.
379 2011-04-22 07:44:26 <jaromil> do you have a memleak ?
380 2011-04-22 07:44:44 <gjs278> you can also check dmesg to see if your kernel exploded
381 2011-04-22 07:45:03 <jaromil> right. if there is a leak filling up the mem, kernel ooops kills apache
382 2011-04-22 07:45:41 <genjix> here's the thing. im not asking 'how can i restart apache'
383 2011-04-22 07:45:53 <genjix> instead i want to know how can i stop apache locking up again
384 2011-04-22 07:46:14 <gjs278> can't really tell you unless you can find an error message somewhere
385 2011-04-22 07:46:17 <gjs278> like logs or dmesg
386 2011-04-22 07:46:34 <genjix> ok well i'll wait until it crashes again then message all 3 of you guys
387 2011-04-22 07:46:44 <gjs278> sounds like a plan
388 2011-04-22 07:46:54 <Insti> you should already have messages in your logs.
389 2011-04-22 07:47:19 <gjs278> that or the log directory is out of space lol
390 2011-04-22 07:50:52 <gjs278> genjix if you have no luck keeping it running, you can install a program called monit that can check your apache every minute and restart it if connections don't work
391 2011-04-22 07:51:03 <gjs278> may want to look into it for now while debugging this so you don't have any downtime
392 2011-04-22 07:53:53 <jaromil> genjix: ok
393 2011-04-22 07:54:01 <jaromil> and give us 50 each :D
394 2011-04-22 07:54:35 <genjix> but you didn't do anything yet
395 2011-04-22 07:54:51 <genjix> 8 Gb available
396 2011-04-22 07:54:57 <jaromil> ram?
397 2011-04-22 07:55:19 <genjix> devtmpfs 108K used 299M free
398 2011-04-22 07:55:20 <gjs278> diskspace
399 2011-04-22 07:55:26 <gjs278> is good
400 2011-04-22 07:55:29 <gjs278> sooo
401 2011-04-22 07:55:39 <gjs278> what's at the very end of your error log
402 2011-04-22 07:55:50 <gjs278> if it's small enough pastebin as much as you can
403 2011-04-22 07:56:35 <jaromil> you have a memleak imho. start installing htop so you'll be looking at a fancier screen. also paste your MPM fork and such settings in apache, they need finetuning for sure
404 2011-04-22 07:56:56 <genjix> nothing in particular
405 2011-04-22 07:57:17 <gjs278> what version are you on
406 2011-04-22 07:57:19 <gjs278> 2.2?
407 2011-04-22 07:58:46 <gjs278> you may just want to update it to 2.2.17 for fun if you're behind, can't hurt
408 2011-04-22 07:59:25 <gjs278> also are you on ec2
409 2011-04-22 08:02:19 <Insti> are you just using the standard 'out of the box' installation?
410 2011-04-22 08:04:44 <genjix> yep
411 2011-04-22 08:04:59 <genjix> i have 2 sites-enabled. one points to a different document root which has a php redirect script to the ssl document root.
412 2011-04-22 08:06:05 <Insti> do you have a separate apache-ssl process?
413 2011-04-22 08:08:02 <Insti> (you probably wont)
414 2011-04-22 08:08:25 <gjs278> yeah thats too old school
415 2011-04-22 08:33:53 <netxshare> I can mine on a 16x pcie running at 4x can I not?
416 2011-04-22 08:35:31 <sipa> yes
417 2011-04-22 08:36:05 <netxshare> that's what I thought
418 2011-04-22 08:36:08 <netxshare> thanks sipa
419 2011-04-22 08:47:52 <genjix> what is pk script in the output for a transaction?
420 2011-04-22 08:48:29 <genjix> there is a script for the input which dictates how that coin can be spent... so what's the output script part for?
421 2011-04-22 08:49:24 <genjix> scriptPubKey in CTxOut
422 2011-04-22 08:49:53 <sipa> that determines how that output can be spent
423 2011-04-22 08:51:05 <genjix> hash OP_DUP OP_CHECKSIG  for both the input *and* output?
424 2011-04-22 08:51:16 <sipa> ?
425 2011-04-22 08:54:09 <genjix> say you have a standard input script like OP_DUP OP_HASH160 1dddd3f... OP_EQUAALVERIFY OP_CHECKSIG
426 2011-04-22 08:54:28 <genjix> how does the output script look like? is it jus a copy of the TxIn script?
427 2011-04-22 08:55:47 <sipa> txin script?
428 2011-04-22 08:55:54 <genjix> no the txout script
429 2011-04-22 08:56:18 <genjix> CTxOut::scriptPubKey
430 2011-04-22 08:56:44 <sipa> txin script is a signature script
431 2011-04-22 08:56:49 <sipa> txout script is a verification script
432 2011-04-22 08:56:51 <genjix> or is the script empty?
433 2011-04-22 08:56:54 <genjix> aha ok
434 2011-04-22 08:57:07 <sipa> txin script matches the prevout's txout script
435 2011-04-22 08:57:12 <genjix> right
436 2011-04-22 08:57:14 <sipa> as a proof that the necessary key is available
437 2011-04-22 08:58:50 <genjix> you can only create a new transaction if the txin signature matches that for the COutPoint transaction (looked up using the hash+index)
438 2011-04-22 08:59:09 <sipa> for it to be valid, yes
439 2011-04-22 08:59:24 <genjix> (and also if the script passes too of course.)
440 2011-04-22 09:00:24 <genjix> so script is big endian over the network but everything else is little endian right?
441 2011-04-22 09:01:55 <sipa> no, everything is little endian
442 2011-04-22 09:01:59 <sipa> except network addresses
443 2011-04-22 09:02:44 <genjix> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Script
444 2011-04-22 09:02:51 <genjix> "Scripts are big-endian. (Is all data, also?) "
445 2011-04-22 09:02:56 <genjix> is that a mistake then?
446 2011-04-22 09:17:04 <RenaKunisaki> https://en.bitcoin.it/w/index.php?title=Script&action=edit&section=6  there's a column header missing here
447 2011-04-22 09:23:00 <genjix> I think that's supposed to be the op code
448 2011-04-22 09:31:31 <genjix> i think script *is* big endian sipa
449 2011-04-22 09:31:51 <genjix> notice that operator << in CScript just adds bytes to itself
450 2011-04-22 09:32:27 <sipa> so?
451 2011-04-22 09:32:55 <sipa> numbers encoded in it are still little-endian afaik
452 2011-04-22 09:33:51 <genjix> i thought a script is just a sequence of bytes?
453 2011-04-22 09:33:59 <sipa> yes
454 2011-04-22 09:34:11 <sipa> but those bytes have a meaning
455 2011-04-22 09:35:11 <edcba> all numbers going on network should be big endian
456 2011-04-22 09:35:14 <genjix> im certain that the opcodes are big endian because they're read using memcpy(..., 4)
457 2011-04-22 09:35:23 <genjix> edcba: not in bitcoin
458 2011-04-22 09:35:26 <sipa> genjix: you know that x86 is little-endian?
459 2011-04-22 09:35:44 <sipa> if you read them by copying data into memory, it's little endian
460 2011-04-22 09:35:53 <genjix> i didn't know.
461 2011-04-22 09:35:56 <sipa> (and a very bad idea, but it will only work on little-endian machines)
462 2011-04-22 09:36:03 <edcba> yes i think genjix mixed big/little :)
463 2011-04-22 09:36:48 <genjix> so should i change the wiki and delete that comment which says: "Scripts are big-endian. (Is all data, also?) "
464 2011-04-22 09:37:10 <sipa> it's either wrong or very ambiguous :)
465 2011-04-22 09:38:06 <jaromil> i'd delete it
466 2011-04-22 09:38:09 <edcba> i don't remember for scripts but the numbers in other messages are in big endian
467 2011-04-22 09:38:22 <edcba> serialization take care of conversion
468 2011-04-22 09:38:39 <edcba> you have to see how are serialized scripts
469 2011-04-22 09:38:52 <sipa> edcba: in bitcoin, everything is little endian
470 2011-04-22 09:39:48 <sipa> 0.05 BTC is encoded as 40 4B 4C 00 00 00 00 00
471 2011-04-22 09:43:13 <genjix> yeah we're discussing whether it's the same in script
472 2011-04-22 09:43:37 <ArtForz> iirc, yes
473 2011-04-22 09:43:43 <genjix> kk
474 2011-04-22 09:58:47 <edcba> sipa not when sent over the network
475 2011-04-22 10:00:02 <sipa> yes it is
476 2011-04-22 10:23:46 <kblessinggr> trying to get the daemon running in FreeBSD already got it compiled, but when I launch it with -daemon, then when I di bitcoind getinfo, it just says cannot connect to server
477 2011-04-22 10:26:20 <genjix> kblessinggr: wait a few mins
478 2011-04-22 10:26:42 <genjix> how many clients actually use the old protocol
479 2011-04-22 10:26:52 <kblessinggr> hrm, it takes a couple mins to actually spawn?
480 2011-04-22 10:31:54 <gribble> plato was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 2 weeks, 0 days, 18 hours, 42 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <PLATO> ty
481 2011-04-22 10:31:54 <mizerydearia> ;;seen plato
482 2011-04-22 10:32:53 <BurtyB> genjix is "Cost/BTC" supposed to = Giving/Wanted or is there a % or something now?
483 2011-04-22 10:47:59 <Diablo-D3> man
484 2011-04-22 10:48:15 <Diablo-D3> I think Im just going to buy a roku
485 2011-04-22 10:50:49 <jaromil> roku? set top box for video?
486 2011-04-22 10:51:41 <Diablo-D3> yeah
487 2011-04-22 10:51:54 <jaromil> then let me suggest you evaluate a WD TV HD Live
488 2011-04-22 10:52:13 <Diablo-D3> not interested
489 2011-04-22 10:52:19 <jaromil> the homebrew WDLXTV firmware by B'Rad just rocks my home theater
490 2011-04-22 10:52:44 <Diablo-D3> does it do 1080p out? does it have netflix?
491 2011-04-22 10:53:01 <Diablo-D3> does it have wifi n on 5ghz?
492 2011-04-22 10:53:12 <Diablo-D3> what about the amazon video service?
493 2011-04-22 10:53:21 <x6763> ;;bc,mtgox
494 2011-04-22 10:53:22 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.3,"low":1.149,"vol":57685,"buy":1.276,"sell":1.283,"last":1.2946}}
495 2011-04-22 10:53:58 <jaromil> Diablo-D3: no lets say its from an older generation than what you are looking for then
496 2011-04-22 10:54:20 <jaromil> netflix is flaky, 1080p is too much for the poor box, wifi works with an usb dongle and no amazon video service
497 2011-04-22 10:54:28 <Diablo-D3> it also costs more than roku's biggest box
498 2011-04-22 10:54:40 <jaromil> but it's a lovely silent solid state thing for <100$
499 2011-04-22 10:54:46 <jaromil> rly? how much is a roku?
500 2011-04-22 10:55:03 <jaromil> oh. cheap.
501 2011-04-22 10:55:13 <jaromil> but can you compile stuff to run on it? :D
502 2011-04-22 10:55:43 <Diablo-D3> why would I want to?
503 2011-04-22 10:57:49 <jaromil> mmm, i don't like the channel offer on roku
504 2011-04-22 10:58:30 <jaromil> and i have an obsession for being able to run modified code
505 2011-04-22 10:59:43 <Diablo-D3> yeah, so does everyone else
506 2011-04-22 10:59:47 <Diablo-D3> hell, so do I
507 2011-04-22 10:59:52 <Diablo-D3> I run fucking openwrt on my router
508 2011-04-22 11:00:06 <Diablo-D3> I have a different OS on my ti89
509 2011-04-22 11:00:28 <Diablo-D3> I changed the firmware using a hacked one so my card reader can now do sdhc instead of just sd
510 2011-04-22 11:00:30 <jaromil> so can you stand running a tv with a computer inside that you cannot hack? i can't :D
511 2011-04-22 11:00:39 <Diablo-D3> theres nothing TO hack
512 2011-04-22 11:00:44 <Diablo-D3> it does exactly what its supposed to
513 2011-04-22 11:01:04 <Diablo-D3> run netflix, at 1080p, over wifi n 5ghz.
514 2011-04-22 11:01:12 <Diablo-D3> jaromil: also
515 2011-04-22 11:01:12 <jaromil> mm, does it downloads torrents?
516 2011-04-22 11:01:17 <Diablo-D3> you can add "channels" to it
517 2011-04-22 11:01:24 <Diablo-D3> ones that arent known or authorized
518 2011-04-22 11:01:30 <jaromil> ok that's good
519 2011-04-22 11:01:37 <Diablo-D3> it just adds content though
520 2011-04-22 11:01:56 <Diablo-D3> like, theres this porn company that has all their shit on a roku channel
521 2011-04-22 11:02:05 <jaromil> well at least that. on wdlxtv there are various plugins to scrap off stuff from websites into vodcasts
522 2011-04-22 11:02:07 <Diablo-D3> also, it cant download torrents
523 2011-04-22 11:02:10 <Diablo-D3> theres no storage space
524 2011-04-22 11:02:11 <Diablo-D3> at all
525 2011-04-22 11:02:18 <jaromil> no usb?
526 2011-04-22 11:02:25 <Diablo-D3> has usb, but lets face it here
527 2011-04-22 11:02:26 <Diablo-D3> thats dumb
528 2011-04-22 11:02:49 <jaromil> well, most of my movies are on my hd
529 2011-04-22 11:03:05 <Diablo-D3> yeah, exactly
530 2011-04-22 11:03:18 <Diablo-D3> and I'd also rather run my torrent client on my computer
531 2011-04-22 11:03:30 <jaromil> torrenting from a mips processor is kinda dumb yea
532 2011-04-22 11:03:32 <Diablo-D3> since, you know, I can actually click torrents and my torrent client automatically loads them, etc
533 2011-04-22 11:03:43 <Diablo-D3> and I have a 2.1TB raid.
534 2011-04-22 11:03:53 <jaromil> but then the wdlxtv has a webpage to control it
535 2011-04-22 11:04:01 <Diablo-D3> roksbox is the best part of this
536 2011-04-22 11:04:42 <jaromil> do you know if it has UPNP AVTransport ?
537 2011-04-22 11:04:53 <Diablo-D3> dunno
538 2011-04-22 11:04:57 <jaromil> k
539 2011-04-22 11:05:14 <jaromil> i'm using that a lot, just released a client for it
540 2011-04-22 11:05:20 <Diablo-D3> http://roksbox.com/home/
541 2011-04-22 11:06:30 <jaromil> nice
542 2011-04-22 11:06:44 <Diablo-D3> apparently just uses normal http
543 2011-04-22 11:07:26 <jaromil> yea, and thumbgen
544 2011-04-22 11:07:40 <jaromil> but then also wdlxtv does it, with a litl bit of hacking
545 2011-04-22 11:07:49 <Diablo-D3> its not useful for playing media though
546 2011-04-22 11:08:02 <Diablo-D3> I mean, theres too much shit out there thats ... insane
547 2011-04-22 11:08:02 <jaromil> that's why i'm asking about upnp
548 2011-04-22 11:08:13 <jaromil> i play media from a commandline
549 2011-04-22 11:08:21 <Diablo-D3> no I mean
550 2011-04-22 11:08:21 <jaromil> avremote load file; avremote play
551 2011-04-22 11:08:26 <Diablo-D3> it has a hardware decoder
552 2011-04-22 11:08:40 <jaromil> i know, prolly a sigmatel chip no?
553 2011-04-22 11:08:50 <Diablo-D3> try feeding it stuff that is beyond high profile
554 2011-04-22 11:08:56 <Diablo-D3> or other nutty shit pirates do
555 2011-04-22 11:09:32 <jaromil> doesn't supports many formats?
556 2011-04-22 11:09:36 <jaromil> is it an RTL chip?
557 2011-04-22 11:09:50 <Diablo-D3> dunno what it supports
558 2011-04-22 11:12:10 <jaromil> k. interesting. i'm off writing about milkymist now
559 2011-04-22 11:12:13 <jaromil> http://www.milkymist.org/mmone.html
560 2011-04-22 11:12:53 <jaromil> please smack my pull request (177) around a bit, tomorrow i'll be fixing the issues and packing a better one
561 2011-04-22 11:13:19 <Diablo-D3> heh
562 2011-04-22 11:14:45 <Diablo-D3> aljazeera has a roku channel
563 2011-04-22 11:14:59 <Diablo-D3> so does bbc
564 2011-04-22 11:15:04 <mizerydearia> I just learned that Sirius is owner of bitcoinexchange.com.  More documentation is needed at https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Category:Bitcoiners to document which users correlate to what developments, projects, busineses, establishments, etc.
565 2011-04-22 11:15:17 <Diablo-D3> and cnn
566 2011-04-22 11:15:36 <mizerydearia> oooh, Sirius is owner of cnn too?
567 2011-04-22 11:15:42 <mizerydearia> j/k
568 2011-04-22 11:17:44 <Diablo-D3> heh
569 2011-04-22 11:17:46 <Diablo-D3> and pbs
570 2011-04-22 11:22:20 <anarchyx> long time :)
571 2011-04-22 11:22:47 <anarchyx> whats the latest and greatest card for mining?
572 2011-04-22 11:29:57 <BurtyB> anarchyx https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison 5970 still looking best Mhash/W
573 2011-04-22 11:30:04 <ArtForz> 6990
574 2011-04-22 11:31:34 <kiba> after a sucky two months period, we're rocketing like mad!
575 2011-04-22 11:31:46 <ArtForz> thoguh kinda sucks for price/perf, for that probably used 5870 or 5970 is still the way to go
576 2011-04-22 11:32:23 <ArtForz> you can find pretty sweet deals on gamer forums, ebay is pretty much a waste of time
577 2011-04-22 11:39:31 <Diablo-D3> hey jaromil  http://www.gabilan.com/joomla/
578 2011-04-22 11:39:47 <Diablo-D3> apparently someone hammered out a dlna solution
579 2011-04-22 11:42:53 <Diablo-D3> OOH
580 2011-04-22 11:43:04 <Diablo-D3> they have shit that uses ffmpeg to transcode to optimum format
581 2011-04-22 11:46:28 <Diablo-D3> ...
582 2011-04-22 11:46:30 <Diablo-D3> fuck the whole thing
583 2011-04-22 11:46:32 <Diablo-D3> its written in c#
584 2011-04-22 11:46:34 <Diablo-D3> useless trash
585 2011-04-22 11:47:44 <anarchyx> probably gonna be able to get CLUB3D RADEON HD 6990 4GB GDDR5 256-BIT - for 444 euros
586 2011-04-22 11:47:52 <anarchyx> and further discount for volume
587 2011-04-22 11:48:09 <anarchyx> anyone got it cheaper somewhere?
588 2011-04-22 11:48:12 <Diablo-D3> erm
589 2011-04-22 11:48:14 <anarchyx> its new
590 2011-04-22 11:48:16 <Diablo-D3> you do realize club3d is shit, right?
591 2011-04-22 11:48:29 <anarchyx> yeah it gave me problems before
592 2011-04-22 11:48:36 <anarchyx> but isnt it all whitelabel
593 2011-04-22 11:48:44 <anarchyx> SAPPHIRE RADEON HD 6990 4GB GDDR5 ATI  is 475 euro
594 2011-04-22 11:52:35 <Diablo-D3> its worth that extra
595 2011-04-22 11:52:47 <Diablo-D3> anarchyx: club3d stuff is often DOA
596 2011-04-22 11:52:56 <Diablo-D3> I wouldnt waste over $400 on a DOA brand
597 2011-04-22 11:53:17 <anarchyx> true
598 2011-04-22 11:56:38 <kiba> everything is up!
599 2011-04-22 11:56:50 <Diablo-D3> even my dick!
600 2011-04-22 11:57:00 <kiba> Jesus
601 2011-04-22 11:57:06 <Diablo-D3> yes, my son?
602 2011-04-22 11:57:08 <kiba> 1.3x level is not very strong
603 2011-04-22 11:57:18 <anarchyx> were gonna hit 10 this year :P
604 2011-04-22 11:57:26 <anarchyx> $10
605 2011-04-22 11:57:26 <kiba> hopefully
606 2011-04-22 11:57:34 <kiba> then I'llb e avery rich man
607 2011-04-22 11:57:40 <Diablo-D3> heh
608 2011-04-22 11:57:43 <anarchyx> whats rich?
609 2011-04-22 11:57:43 <Diablo-D3> if we reach $10
610 2011-04-22 11:57:45 <Diablo-D3> then
611 2011-04-22 11:57:55 <anarchyx> 1 mil isnt rich :)
612 2011-04-22 11:57:56 <Diablo-D3> I'd be still poor :<
613 2011-04-22 11:57:58 <anarchyx> 10 million is
614 2011-04-22 11:58:17 <anarchyx> according to a questionaire at least
615 2011-04-22 11:58:18 <anarchyx> :D
616 2011-04-22 11:58:35 <anarchyx> they asked people what is rich
617 2011-04-22 11:58:45 <anarchyx> average was 8 million
618 2011-04-22 11:58:49 <kiba> a million dollars isn't very rich?
619 2011-04-22 11:58:58 <anarchyx> its nice to have
620 2011-04-22 11:59:14 <kiba> even if you make 100,000 dollars a year, it will take you ten years to have your millions
621 2011-04-22 11:59:28 <anarchyx> at 10 million you can start living off the compound interest and still have it adjust to inflation somewhat
622 2011-04-22 12:00:16 <anarchyx> comfortable take out $10k/month
623 2011-04-22 12:00:21 <anarchyx> comfortably*
624 2011-04-22 12:00:28 <anarchyx> never have to work again
625 2011-04-22 12:01:13 <anarchyx> in other words want 1 million bitcoins asap :P
626 2011-04-22 12:01:17 <kiba> can't use compound interest in the bitcoin economy
627 2011-04-22 12:01:21 <kiba> would have to relies on deflation
628 2011-04-22 12:01:37 <anarchyx> yeah i was talking traditional dollars
629 2011-04-22 12:02:05 <anarchyx> but im sure there will be banks coming soon
630 2011-04-22 12:02:07 <anarchyx> bitcoin banks
631 2011-04-22 12:02:22 <kiba> we are robots hijacked by the bitcoin memes and our instruction is to bring down the state!
632 2011-04-22 12:02:27 <anarchyx> for sure
633 2011-04-22 12:02:44 <kiba> trying to get people talking about standardization
634 2011-04-22 12:03:01 <anarchyx> the potential of this is a complete internet based economy without government
635 2011-04-22 12:03:04 <anarchyx> a new society
636 2011-04-22 12:03:17 <kiba> guberment!
637 2011-04-22 12:03:35 <kiba> most insitution lacks critical self-analysis
638 2011-04-22 12:03:55 <kiba> and that why insitutions, corporations, etc, fail
639 2011-04-22 12:04:12 <anarchyx> government is so oldschool
640 2011-04-22 12:04:12 <kiba> it's not that the externals that kill you
641 2011-04-22 12:04:15 <anarchyx> yes
642 2011-04-22 12:04:15 <kiba> it's the internal
643 2011-04-22 12:04:55 <kiba> governments and bitcoin do not have to be opposed...they just have to give up relative power for absolute power
644 2011-04-22 12:05:24 <anarchyx> yes
645 2011-04-22 12:05:25 <kiba> in exchange for the lack of power over people
646 2011-04-22 12:05:31 <kiba> they can exchange it for extraordinary wealth
647 2011-04-22 12:05:35 <anarchyx> but getting there is gonna be tricky
648 2011-04-22 12:05:41 <anarchyx> government doesnt wonna give it up
649 2011-04-22 12:05:46 <netxshare> xbmc system crashed
650 2011-04-22 12:05:52 <netxshare> now lirc is failing
651 2011-04-22 12:06:05 <anarchyx> its a corporation with a monopoly on violence, and heavy influence in media
652 2011-04-22 12:06:34 <anarchyx> thats why an alternative society based on bitcoins has to be developed in parallel
653 2011-04-22 12:06:39 <anarchyx> with people having a choice to switch
654 2011-04-22 12:06:43 <kiba> its influence on the media are wanning
655 2011-04-22 12:06:49 <anarchyx> yep
656 2011-04-22 12:06:53 <anarchyx> luckily
657 2011-04-22 12:06:57 <kiba> target their education system, you crush their influences
658 2011-04-22 12:06:59 <anarchyx> but now theyre trying to limit the internet
659 2011-04-22 12:06:59 <davex__> any of you guys using hdminer?  is it worth the 400 btc?
660 2011-04-22 12:07:01 <anarchyx> we have to be first
661 2011-04-22 12:07:02 <netxshare> anarchyx you should look at XFX
662 2011-04-22 12:07:10 <netxshare> they have a great warrenty program
663 2011-04-22 12:07:14 <anarchyx> im working on education and a lot more
664 2011-04-22 12:07:15 <netxshare> very good for reselling the card
665 2011-04-22 12:07:20 <anarchyx> i need a shitload of people to help
666 2011-04-22 12:08:03 <netxshare> brb
667 2011-04-22 12:08:09 <anarchyx> netxshare: ok thanks, ill look into it
668 2011-04-22 12:08:09 <Blitzboom> i think traditional socialists would like bitcoin
669 2011-04-22 12:08:15 <Blitzboom> as its the peoples currency
670 2011-04-22 12:08:42 <netxshare> it transfers
671 2011-04-22 12:08:54 <netxshare> so when you resell it they can return it to xfx if something goes wrong
672 2011-04-22 12:09:24 <anarchyx> you mean they allow warranty transfers when it changes owner?
673 2011-04-22 12:10:44 <anarchyx> xfx has always been good in terms of cards
674 2011-04-22 12:10:47 <anarchyx> never had a bad one so far
675 2011-04-22 12:10:47 <kiba> Blitzboom: yeah but they will have to live with the fact that filthy rich libertarian bitcoiners make it all possible
676 2011-04-22 12:11:18 <netxshare> yes anarchyx
677 2011-04-22 12:11:33 <kiba> the nice thing about bitcoin is that not only the rich can protect their wealth but so can the poor just as easily
678 2011-04-22 12:11:44 <anarchyx> kiba: explain
679 2011-04-22 12:11:54 <netxshare> uh simple
680 2011-04-22 12:11:56 <kiba> anarchyx: standard encryption and backup procedure
681 2011-04-22 12:11:59 <netxshare> put your cash into bitcoins
682 2011-04-22 12:12:19 <netxshare> no one will know where the money is
683 2011-04-22 12:12:22 <netxshare> but you :D
684 2011-04-22 12:13:29 <anarchyx> ok i thought you ment something else with protecting wealth
685 2011-04-22 12:13:38 <anarchyx> like investing etc
686 2011-04-22 12:13:51 <netxshare> nothing yet
687 2011-04-22 12:15:30 <kiba> anonymous stock market!
688 2011-04-22 12:15:38 <netxshare> is there not one yet
689 2011-04-22 12:15:46 <netxshare> I downloaded something
690 2011-04-22 12:15:47 <kiba> the rise of bitcoin joint-stock corporation
691 2011-04-22 12:15:48 <kiba> sure there is
692 2011-04-22 12:15:49 <netxshare> like black market
693 2011-04-22 12:16:01 <netxshare> blackmarket.py
694 2011-04-22 12:16:09 <netxshare> I dunno I can't remember anything about it tho
695 2011-04-22 12:16:10 <kiba> that's the program
696 2011-04-22 12:16:20 <netxshare> yeah I could not get it to run
697 2011-04-22 12:17:35 <kiba> they probably fixed several bugs
698 2011-04-22 12:17:36 <netxshare> thank god
699 2011-04-22 12:17:41 <netxshare> lirc is working again
700 2011-04-22 12:17:44 <netxshare> took freaking forever
701 2011-04-22 12:21:36 <genjix> getting some good volume on britcoin
702 2011-04-22 12:21:47 <genjix> guess bitcoin is going to jump up in value soon
703 2011-04-22 12:22:35 <netxshare> it's worth the extra 30 bucks
704 2011-04-22 12:22:43 <lfm_> oops wrong msg, sorry
705 2011-04-22 12:23:32 <lfm_> geez mtgox hit 1.30
706 2011-04-22 12:24:15 <netxshare> damn
707 2011-04-22 12:24:28 <netxshare> I was glad to see that SIRI stock went up
708 2011-04-22 12:25:00 <kiba> genjix: that's the biggest day in the history of britcoin
709 2011-04-22 12:27:30 <genjix> what is the otherAccount field in the wallets for?
710 2011-04-22 12:31:27 <noagendamarket> http://bitcoin.witcoin.com/p/1232/   check out what gavin is doing noa
711 2011-04-22 12:33:00 <kiba> noagendamarket: a CIA meeting about bitcoin O_o
712 2011-04-22 12:33:02 <kiba> o_O
713 2011-04-22 12:33:05 <kiba> O_O
714 2011-04-22 12:33:50 <noagendamarket> check out the other pics lol
715 2011-04-22 12:34:01 <kiba> anyway
716 2011-04-22 12:34:05 <kiba> noagendamarket: did ya rate me?
717 2011-04-22 12:34:18 <noagendamarket> not yet
718 2011-04-22 12:34:34 <kiba> do it now!
719 2011-04-22 12:35:00 <da2ce7> lol, the most published
720 2011-04-22 12:35:06 <da2ce7> or self-published
721 2011-04-22 12:35:07 <noagendamarket> lol
722 2011-04-22 12:35:26 <kiba> I handled a 8500 BTC escrow acount once, yo!
723 2011-04-22 12:35:50 <da2ce7> bah, I handel myself all the time, and it is larger than that!
724 2011-04-22 12:36:33 <noagendamarket> haha
725 2011-04-22 12:36:45 <kiba> anyway
726 2011-04-22 12:36:47 <kiba> now
727 2011-04-22 12:37:01 <netxshare> psh I gots 0.62BTC
728 2011-04-22 12:37:02 <kiba> I am looking for developers for my bitcoin chrome extension project
729 2011-04-22 12:37:22 <da2ce7> oooh what is your chrome bitcoin address?
730 2011-04-22 12:37:33 <luke-jr> http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/bitcoin/w/chrome-bitcoin.git
731 2011-04-22 12:37:43 <luke-jr> kiba: learn to use commit messages
732 2011-04-22 12:38:39 <netxshare> is it just going to use json?
733 2011-04-22 12:38:42 <da2ce7> hell luke-jr, I'm going to put my projects on bit-git once they hit v0.1
734 2011-04-22 12:38:55 <luke-jr> da2ce7: why wait?
735 2011-04-22 12:39:36 <da2ce7> cause, they are kinda somewhat time senctive, I dont' want people paying arround with them till have the basic documtation done.
736 2011-04-22 12:39:45 <luke-jr> :p
737 2011-04-22 12:39:50 <kiba> everybody make big changes in their commits
738 2011-04-22 12:39:55 <kiba> I make small changes
739 2011-04-22 12:39:57 <kiba> and lot of commits
740 2011-04-22 12:40:13 <da2ce7> luke get a propper home page: http://luke.dashjr.org/
741 2011-04-22 12:40:20 <luke-jr> da2ce7: why?
742 2011-04-22 12:40:23 <luke-jr> I like my index
743 2011-04-22 12:40:34 <luke-jr> I even customized my icons
744 2011-04-22 12:40:36 <noagendamarket> kiba - rated
745 2011-04-22 12:40:44 <da2ce7> :P ok/
746 2011-04-22 12:40:59 <da2ce7> kde, clearglass or something like that
747 2011-04-22 12:41:07 <da2ce7> *cystal
748 2011-04-22 12:41:37 <genjix> what is the otherAccount field in the wallets for?
749 2011-04-22 12:41:46 <kiba> validation is a pain in the ass
750 2011-04-22 12:42:00 <da2ce7> genjix, afaik it is v.wallets inside your wallet.
751 2011-04-22 12:42:17 <genjix> v.wallets?
752 2011-04-22 12:42:24 <kiba> I should write an elisp program for making otc authentication a non-pain-in-the-ass someday
753 2011-04-22 12:42:45 <genjix> i mean otherAccount under acentry
754 2011-04-22 12:43:17 <da2ce7> yeah, you can have more than one 'account' so you can have a 'Bob' account and an 'Alice' one... unless I'm thinking about a diff thing.
755 2011-04-22 12:43:33 <da2ce7> bitcoin will keep track of each ballance.
756 2011-04-22 12:46:23 <tcatm> genjix: otherAccount it used for 'move's between accounts
757 2011-04-22 12:46:54 <genjix> ok
758 2011-04-22 12:47:23 <djoot> kiba: here's another 'thing' with 'free will': http://www.wolframscience.com/nksonline/page-750
759 2011-04-22 12:47:57 <djoot> free will is an illusion, although a very persistent one
760 2011-04-22 12:49:11 <kiba> I believe we are robots
761 2011-04-22 12:49:16 <djoot> yep, me too
762 2011-04-22 12:49:58 <kiba> a robot that can reflect itself and comperhend the universe
763 2011-04-22 12:50:19 <djoot> I found that book to very interesting, I think you would like it :)
764 2011-04-22 12:51:14 <kiba> to us, the future is uncertain and that's why we need entrepeneurs
765 2011-04-22 12:51:21 <djoot> da2ce7: could be, or every possible thing happens, o maybe just one random path
766 2011-04-22 12:52:11 <djoot> 'random'
767 2011-04-22 12:52:25 <kiba> many world intrepretation?
768 2011-04-22 12:52:33 <da2ce7> yep, prob my fav
769 2011-04-22 12:52:36 <djoot> sure, maybe :)
770 2011-04-22 12:53:08 <kiba> we are robots hijacked for the sake of spreading bitcoin
771 2011-04-22 12:53:12 <da2ce7> every possibility is available, until you observe it
772 2011-04-22 12:54:02 <da2ce7> the last observation dictates what happens in the past.
773 2011-04-22 12:54:09 <djoot> bitcoin is skynet, we are the machines :)
774 2011-04-22 12:54:56 <da2ce7> This view is quite compatible with a 'God,' as it would be the last observer, so it knows what is going to happen.
775 2011-04-22 12:54:57 <kiba> bitcoin compells us to do very  strange things
776 2011-04-22 12:55:35 <kiba> like calculating difficult math problem for no other purpose than security
777 2011-04-22 12:56:07 <da2ce7> bitcoin, is growing much stronger than people realize, in the communies hearts and minds.
778 2011-04-22 12:56:15 <jaromil> wow this is kewl http://k0a1a.net/netless/
779 2011-04-22 12:56:27 <jaromil> good inspiration
780 2011-04-22 12:57:40 <da2ce7> sound like a perfect thing for freenet.
781 2011-04-22 12:57:49 <da2ce7> freenet, works in a p2p darknet style.
782 2011-04-22 12:57:59 <da2ce7> can handel large latenceys.
783 2011-04-22 12:58:00 <kiba> da2ce7: in the commie?
784 2011-04-22 12:58:08 <da2ce7> nope?
785 2011-04-22 12:59:00 <da2ce7> netless could be used for lowbandwith-medium/low latency, and a sneaker-net can be use for highbandwith-highlatency
786 2011-04-22 12:59:08 <da2ce7> freenet can support both of them
787 2011-04-22 13:00:22 <djoot> and disconnected groups of bitcoiners could maybe sync with them...
788 2011-04-22 13:00:29 <luke-jr> djoot and kiba are nuts
789 2011-04-22 13:00:51 <wereHamster> I downloaded the latest bitcoin binary and now all my transactions are gone, the address book, too
790 2011-04-22 13:02:06 <da2ce7> kiba, fuck that: "Netless", 2009 by Danja Vasiliev is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative Works 3.0 Unported License.
791 2011-04-22 13:03:14 <luke-jr> [10:53:26] <wereHamster> btw, is there an alternative gui client?
792 2011-04-22 13:03:16 <luke-jr> wereHamster: yes
793 2011-04-22 13:04:58 <djoot> luke-jr: for not believing in free will?
794 2011-04-22 13:05:13 <kiba> robot don't wanna think they're just robots!
795 2011-04-22 13:05:24 <kiba> admitely a robot that can relect on its own existence and its place in the universe
796 2011-04-22 13:05:25 <djoot> luke-jr is a religious mystic!
797 2011-04-22 13:05:57 <kiba> just because we don't have free will doesn't mean we don't have an autonomous existence
798 2011-04-22 13:06:01 <da2ce7> luke-jr is tonal a religious mystic that plays amazing music!
799 2011-04-22 13:06:17 <LtBrenton> hey guys, check this out - probably the first ever poem about Bitcoin --> http://poems-2-share.blog.co.uk/2011/04/22/bitcoining-11042593/
800 2011-04-22 13:06:21 <kiba> nay
801 2011-04-22 13:06:27 <kiba> being a robot ain't so bad
802 2011-04-22 13:06:46 <wereHamster> ~/
803 2011-04-22 13:07:03 <da2ce7> a bitbot!
804 2011-04-22 13:07:06 <luke-jr> djoot: for denying free will
805 2011-04-22 13:07:08 <wereHamster> hey bot, at which block are we now?
806 2011-04-22 13:07:15 <luke-jr> ;;bc,blocks
807 2011-04-22 13:07:16 <gribble> 119604
808 2011-04-22 13:07:26 <da2ce7> ;;gribble
809 2011-04-22 13:07:26 <gribble> Here's a bitcoin wiki page about gribble: http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Gribble
810 2011-04-22 13:07:39 <luke-jr> wereHamster: https://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=6273.0
811 2011-04-22 13:07:40 <wereHamster> habe you still not figured out how to speed up the initial blockchain download?
812 2011-04-22 13:07:53 <da2ce7> should say: Here's a bitcoin wiki page about me: http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Gribble
813 2011-04-22 13:08:01 <djoot> luke-jr: what exactly is the will free from?
814 2011-04-22 13:08:05 <kiba> free will is an illusion caused by the fact that we are complex machines
815 2011-04-22 13:08:15 <da2ce7> lol
816 2011-04-22 13:08:33 <kiba> da more complex it is, the more free will it possess
817 2011-04-22 13:08:37 <da2ce7> well we are complex machines that use fuzzy logic
818 2011-04-22 13:08:41 <kiba> but it's alla n illusion
819 2011-04-22 13:08:58 <da2ce7> we are realy just virtual machines
820 2011-04-22 13:09:04 <luke-jr> djoot: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06259a.htm#cat
821 2011-04-22 13:09:22 <kiba> nobody wants to hear your religious irrationality
822 2011-04-22 13:09:33 <da2ce7> kiba, you are to objective
823 2011-04-22 13:09:36 <da2ce7> *too
824 2011-04-22 13:09:50 <luke-jr> kiba: true religion is entirely rational.
825 2011-04-22 13:11:02 <djoot> kiba: stephen wolfram argues that certain machines are of equal computational complexity, and shows examples of cellular automata that are universal, that is they can compute any computable calculation
826 2011-04-22 13:11:50 <kiba> da2ce7: ya think I worships Ayn Rand?
827 2011-04-22 13:11:52 <djoot> s/argues/proves/
828 2011-04-22 13:13:08 <LtBrenton> ** interesting link ** bitcoin poem @ http://poems-2-share.blog.co.uk/2011/04/22/bitcoining-11042593/
829 2011-04-22 13:13:17 <kiba> pesudorandom numbers are the result of computers having finite computational power?
830 2011-04-22 13:13:31 <LtBrenton> wait this is -dev
831 2011-04-22 13:13:33 <LtBrenton> sorry, wrong chan
832 2011-04-22 13:13:37 <da2ce7> kiba, um, yes and no.
833 2011-04-22 13:16:25 <da2ce7> if a computer had infinite computation power, it could calculate anything, so it could make an pseudorandom number is the limit approaching random.
834 2011-04-22 13:16:49 <da2ce7> but true random comes from noise, such as radioactive decay
835 2011-04-22 13:17:06 <wereHamster> or people :P
836 2011-04-22 13:17:38 <da2ce7> ouch.
837 2011-04-22 13:18:35 <kiba> compression is based on redundant information?
838 2011-04-22 13:19:21 <djoot> what is true randomness though? you can have a completely predictable machine that produces a 'random' output, that can only be arrived at by calculating it. like the digits of pi I think
839 2011-04-22 13:19:37 <wereHamster> will my transactions reappear once I have downloaded the full blockchain?
840 2011-04-22 13:19:38 <djoot> maybe the randomness that we see is just a result of such a machine
841 2011-04-22 13:20:09 <djoot> that is, the universe is a machine, that produces an unpredictable result, which is the randomness
842 2011-04-22 13:22:42 <djoot> luke-jr: btw, I meant no offence when I called you a religious mystic, I think 99.9% of the people are religious mystics, so maybe I am the insane one... :)
843 2011-04-22 13:23:57 <da2ce7> *me dosn't ever mean any offence to anyone who isn't keynesian.
844 2011-04-22 13:24:14 <da2ce7> *or evil.
845 2011-04-22 13:24:17 <djoot> lol, that's almost the same percentage
846 2011-04-22 13:25:26 <da2ce7> well it is bed-time for me.
847 2011-04-22 13:25:43 <djoot> g'nite
848 2011-04-22 13:28:20 <luke-jr> djoot: I don't believe in random.
849 2011-04-22 13:29:06 <djoot> luke-jr: well, I do believe that subject is up for debate, but I don't much care either way
850 2011-04-22 13:29:50 <luke-jr> djoot: and to deny evil exists, is itself evil
851 2011-04-22 13:29:52 <luke-jr> ;)
852 2011-04-22 13:30:31 <kiba> evil is a human construction
853 2011-04-22 13:30:45 <purplezky> tonal is also a human construction :)
854 2011-04-22 13:31:03 <luke-jr> purplezky: so is decimal
855 2011-04-22 13:31:14 <kiba> the universe have no underlying reasons to exist
856 2011-04-22 13:31:15 <djoot> luke-jr: I look at 'evil' like this, agents have differing motivations, and some agents are enemies of other agents
857 2011-04-22 13:31:16 <kiba> it just is
858 2011-04-22 13:31:18 <purplezky> so is luke-jr ;)
859 2011-04-22 13:31:35 <kiba> the states are enemies of bitcoin
860 2011-04-22 13:31:48 <kiba> therefore
861 2011-04-22 13:31:51 <djoot> states are enemies of humanity
862 2011-04-22 13:32:10 <djoot> or rather, the belief in a state
863 2011-04-22 13:32:11 <kiba> depending on which humans you're talking about, djoot
864 2011-04-22 13:32:25 <luke-jr> States hold authority from God for the purpose of assisting the family and Church
865 2011-04-22 13:32:34 <kiba> blahblahlbah
866 2011-04-22 13:32:53 <djoot> kiba: I would argue all, in the long run
867 2011-04-22 13:33:25 <kiba> human beings are lazy about self-reflection
868 2011-04-22 13:34:17 <djoot> kiba: we could live for as long as we wanted soon enough if we were free from the religious mysticism that is the church and the state
869 2011-04-22 13:34:52 <djoot> who wouldn't want that?, if they don't, screw them :)
870 2011-04-22 13:35:16 <Blitzboom> luke-jr: you dont belong in this century
871 2011-04-22 13:35:20 <Blitzboom> nor millenium
872 2011-04-22 13:35:26 <luke-jr> Blitzboom: I agree.
873 2011-04-22 13:35:39 <djoot> the belief in a state is a mind virus, it makes individuals act against their own interests
874 2011-04-22 13:35:42 <luke-jr> Blitzboom: obviously God disagrees, and He knows best.
875 2011-04-22 13:35:48 <kiba> bitcoin is a mind virus too
876 2011-04-22 13:36:12 <luke-jr> djoot: belief in the individual is a mind virus
877 2011-04-22 13:36:49 <djoot> kiba: sure, but it probably is a symbiotic virus
878 2011-04-22 13:37:05 <kiba> bitcoin's interest aligns with our own1
879 2011-04-22 13:37:47 <luke-jr> only if it makes Tonal adoption easier
880 2011-04-22 13:37:55 <kiba> nobody will adopts tonal
881 2011-04-22 13:38:05 <kiba> tonal have no viral potential
882 2011-04-22 13:38:08 <djoot> luke-jr: an individual is an abstraction created by the 'self' that feels very real to me, which is all that matters
883 2011-04-22 13:38:08 <luke-jr> kiba: maybe you won't. but you'll die out.