1 2011-04-27 00:00:10 <B0g4r7> That being a GPU-accelerated h.264 encoder that can plug into ffmpeg.
  2 2011-04-27 00:00:18 <B0g4r7> No such thing exists now.
  3 2011-04-27 00:05:54 <ntosme2> B0g4r7: please write one!
  4 2011-04-27 00:06:44 <kika> why deepbit says GPU/CPU  :: DiabloMiner java miner
  5 2011-04-27 00:06:53 <B0g4r7> That'd be a cool project.
  6 2011-04-27 00:06:57 <kika> if diablominer doesnt supports cpu mining?
  7 2011-04-27 00:07:07 <B0g4r7> I don't have much of a clue how programming for opencl works.
  8 2011-04-27 00:08:46 <luke-jr> B0g4r7: um, my GPU can decode h.264 for VLC and mplayer at least
  9 2011-04-27 00:08:52 <luke-jr> oh, encode
 10 2011-04-27 00:08:55 <B0g4r7> yeah
 11 2011-04-27 00:08:59 <B0g4r7> Lots of things do decoding.
 12 2011-04-27 00:09:03 <luke-jr> probably too much patent BS
 13 2011-04-27 00:09:04 <sethsethseth> gpu encoding looks like shit
 14 2011-04-27 00:09:06 <B0g4r7> But almost nothing seems to address encoding.
 15 2011-04-27 00:09:12 <sethsethseth> they talk about it on handbrake forums
 16 2011-04-27 00:09:13 <luke-jr> B0g4r7: anyhow, no need for OpenCL :P
 17 2011-04-27 00:09:21 <luke-jr> that's a job for VA-API
 18 2011-04-27 00:10:15 <B0g4r7> hm...
 19 2011-04-27 00:19:17 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * rfeec925deed2 spesmilo/ (cashier.py settings.py):
 20 2011-04-27 00:19:18 <CIA-89> bitcoin: abstract "disabled" style a bit, and only allow selecting Tonal number system if
 21 2011-04-27 00:27:53 <luke-jr> ugh, messed that up
 22 2011-04-27 00:28:35 <Androgynous> ?
 23 2011-04-27 00:29:18 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r21570f8ff7e7 spesmilo/ (cashier.py settings.py):
 24 2011-04-27 00:29:18 <luke-jr> that commit
 25 2011-04-27 00:29:22 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r19d6513de1d4 spesmilo/main.py: Only add fallback font, if default is certainly missing Tonal http://tinyurl.com/3kb4nev
 26 2011-04-27 00:29:22 <luke-jr> ^
 27 2011-04-27 00:46:25 <kika> does anyone know why blkmond gives me an exception that says... "bad checksum" and closes?
 28 2011-04-27 00:47:50 <robblesz> kika: are you the one on github that messaged Benares about that?
 29 2011-04-27 00:48:23 <kika> yes
 30 2011-04-27 00:48:49 <robblesz> oh, that's me. jgarzik hangs out here sometimes. You should want for him to join
 31 2011-04-27 00:49:00 <robblesz> *wiat
 32 2011-04-27 00:49:03 <robblesz> **wait
 33 2011-04-27 00:51:01 <kika> robblesz: so why you say i need to use the jgarzik repo instead of yours?
 34 2011-04-27 00:51:03 <kika> robblesz: your repo seems to have more fixes?
 35 2011-04-27 00:51:39 <kika> robblesz: right now its logging shares to a shares.log is there a way i can enable it to log shares to the MySQL shares table ?
 36 2011-04-27 00:52:16 <robblesz> my repo was just created so I could submit 1 or 2 fixes, jgarzik's is the one to use
 37 2011-04-27 00:53:07 <kika> robblesz: but the jgarzik one doesnt have your fixes...
 38 2011-04-27 00:53:16 <kika> robbleesz: can i turn something on to loggin to mysql table instead of shares.log ?
 39 2011-04-27 00:53:47 <kika> robblesz: im going to contribute to the pushpool project too
 40 2011-04-27 00:54:05 <robblesz> kika: yeah, the sharelog mysql functionality works. see https://github.com/jgarzik/pushpool/commit/806a39197f83cc0668b70f30fe6977f9446b8d56
 41 2011-04-27 00:54:56 <robblesz> set sharelog to true in the config file
 42 2011-04-27 00:55:15 <kika> server.cfg ?
 43 2011-04-27 00:56:08 <kika> "sharelog" : true ?
 44 2011-04-27 00:56:31 <robblesz> whatever pushpoold config file you're using. example-cfg.json or whatever
 45 2011-04-27 00:58:11 <kika> i think it needs to go inside the "database" section, right?
 46 2011-04-27 00:58:50 <robblesz> I can't quite remember. My server is inaccessible at the moment
 47 2011-04-27 00:59:08 <robblesz> but yeah, database section most likely
 48 2011-04-27 00:59:21 <kika> ok
 49 2011-04-27 00:59:22 <kika> thxs
 50 2011-04-27 01:01:45 <kika> robblesz: do you have idea why the ufasoft SSE miner doesnt work with my pushpool server?
 51 2011-04-27 01:02:10 <xelister> Installation complete.
 52 2011-04-27 01:02:20 <xelister> Ati:  For further configuration of the driver, please run aticonfig from a terminal window or AMD CCC:LE from the Desktop Manager Menu.
 53 2011-04-27 01:02:24 <kika> robblesz: the rpcminer-cpu.exe miner client works with my pushpool server and the minerd miner client too
 54 2011-04-27 01:02:28 <xelister> System must be rebooted to avoid system instability and potential data loss.
 55 2011-04-27 01:02:41 <xelister> ^----- bitch, please.  :-D  :iDontGiveAFuck-Face:
 56 2011-04-27 01:03:13 <xelister> System must be rebooted with NVIDIA hardware instead - to avoid system instability and potential data loss.   :trollface:  :>
 57 2011-04-27 01:05:09 <robblesz> kika: I've only tried poclbm
 58 2011-04-27 01:05:17 <robblesz> That worked fine for me
 59 2011-04-27 01:05:34 <robblesz> but definitely report all of this to jgarzik
 60 2011-04-27 01:06:32 <kika> robbersz: poclbm works with CPU?
 61 2011-04-27 01:06:43 <kika> ill download poclbm now
 62 2011-04-27 01:07:10 <robblesz> I was testing poclbm-gui, never tried any CPU miners
 63 2011-04-27 01:07:24 <robblesz> yet
 64 2011-04-27 01:08:17 <xelister> sdk2.4 works for you people?
 65 2011-04-27 01:08:22 <kika> robblesz: okay i dont have a gpu, so ill just test with minerd ( it works ) or rpcminer-4way rpcminer-cpu ( it works )
 66 2011-04-27 01:08:56 <xelister> sdk2.4 works for you people? on linux.
 67 2011-04-27 01:10:10 <xelister> Blarrrghghghghghghghg
 68 2011-04-27 01:10:21 <xelister> fucking sdk2.4 doesnt work
 69 2011-04-27 01:10:28 <xelister> fucking shit
 70 2011-04-27 01:11:35 <xelister> #%^&*(
 71 2011-04-27 01:12:38 <kika> robblesz: do you have idea why pushpoold listens on 3 ports? 8337 ? 8336? 8338 ?
 72 2011-04-27 01:12:56 <kika> robblesz: i only use 8337 with rpc miners, what are the others supposed to be used for?
 73 2011-04-27 01:14:07 <kika> jgarzik is on vacation
 74 2011-04-27 01:15:35 <robblesz> the answer to your question is in the "listen" section of the json config file
 75 2011-04-27 01:16:43 <kika> robblesz: i already saw it, however i dont know what each port is used for, i know the 8338 port is the binary proto the 8337 is the http json proto and the 8336 i dont know what its used for
 76 2011-04-27 01:17:13 <kika> robblesz: do you have idea why its oppening port 8336 or port 8338 and what its using them for?
 77 2011-04-27 01:18:25 <robblesz> answer here: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3493.0
 78 2011-04-27 01:18:56 <kika> robblesz: i already readed the thread about the binary proto
 79 2011-04-27 01:20:59 <gdoteof_home> is there a command like listaccounts that shows both the label and the address?
 80 2011-04-27 01:21:09 <gdoteof_home> but for everythingin your wallet
 81 2011-04-27 01:22:13 <kika> robblesz: do you know why pushpool listens on port 8336 or what its used for?
 82 2011-04-27 01:22:59 <netxshare> someone removed all the drug sites from the wiki
 83 2011-04-27 01:23:08 <netxshare> when did that happen?
 84 2011-04-27 01:23:17 <manveru> that's what wiki history is for
 85 2011-04-27 01:23:36 <gdoteof_home> netxshare: i am glad.  it's about time.. that shouldn't be on the official wiki
 86 2011-04-27 01:23:48 <netxshare> nope
 87 2011-04-27 01:23:56 <netxshare> just was shocked to see it vanish
 88 2011-04-27 01:24:01 <netxshare> but in that sense
 89 2011-04-27 01:24:05 <netxshare> you should not have gambling either
 90 2011-04-27 01:24:13 <netxshare> both are an addiction that ruin lifes
 91 2011-04-27 01:24:14 <manveru> netxshare: https://en.bitcoin.it/w/index.php?title=Trade&oldid=7742
 92 2011-04-27 01:24:22 <manveru> that revision removed it
 93 2011-04-27 01:24:36 <netxshare> thanks
 94 2011-04-27 01:24:37 <Validus> the internet can ruin lives to. but its still there
 95 2011-04-27 01:24:38 <Validus> hehe
 96 2011-04-27 01:24:41 <manveru> april 27th 01:12, no idea which timezone
 97 2011-04-27 01:24:49 <Validus> and they were on there just earlier today
 98 2011-04-27 01:25:32 <manveru> well, i'd rather not have stuff that's illegal in just about any jurisdiction on the wiki too :)
 99 2011-04-27 01:25:40 <Validus> so i shouldnt be able to gamble as an adult or adverttise a site that allows it cuz you dont like it?
100 2011-04-27 01:25:43 <manveru> bitcoin gets enough bad press already
101 2011-04-27 01:25:59 <manveru> and alternative sites will cover that soon enough
102 2011-04-27 01:26:10 <robblesz> kika: not sure, sniff the traffic with tcpdump
103 2011-04-27 01:26:19 <netxshare> not on that one either
104 2011-04-27 01:26:30 <kika> robblesz: do you know exactly which command i can use?
105 2011-04-27 01:26:38 <Validus> to tell me im not allowed to gamble or advertise a site that is allowed to gamble is complete bullshit
106 2011-04-27 01:26:42 <robblesz> nope, check the man page
107 2011-04-27 01:26:45 <kika> robblesz: ill have to check the source code...
108 2011-04-27 01:26:56 <noagendamarket> fucking control freaks
109 2011-04-27 01:26:59 <Validus> i can see the point of illegal drugs. but i could care less your opinions of what ruins lives
110 2011-04-27 01:27:09 <Validus> the internet ruins lives everyday. log off of it
111 2011-04-27 01:27:10 <kika> robblesz: ill just check the pushpool src i think however i ask because i mostly lack time lately and its faster to get answers here than to review the code
112 2011-04-27 01:27:14 <manveru> i don't care about runing lifes
113 2011-04-27 01:27:25 <Validus> i wasnt directing it to you manveru heh
114 2011-04-27 01:27:32 <manveru> ah, ok :)
115 2011-04-27 01:27:34 <noagendamarket> censorship is retarded
116 2011-04-27 01:27:38 <Validus> i just hate when ppl mix their personal feeling crapt in with stuff that is not related
117 2011-04-27 01:27:45 <manveru> noagendamarket: it's a wiki
118 2011-04-27 01:27:51 <manveru> what do you expect?
119 2011-04-27 01:28:10 <manveru> everybody can edit, so some will change stuff in their favor
120 2011-04-27 01:28:24 <noagendamarket> of course...its na arm wrestle
121 2011-04-27 01:28:55 <manveru> you can revert it if you don't agree... and after a year of editing wars we might have a winner
122 2011-04-27 01:29:07 <EPiSKiNG> managed to get 443MH/s out of my 5870 with the new phoenix
123 2011-04-27 01:29:16 <Validus> ya wish there was a way to lock it
124 2011-04-27 01:29:22 <noagendamarket> It doesnt ake any difference to me
125 2011-04-27 01:29:23 <Validus> then you dont get ppl removing things cuz they dont "feel" it should be there
126 2011-04-27 01:29:40 <manveru> but you don't get ppl adding things either
127 2011-04-27 01:29:48 <netxshare> I wanted to see Mr. Brown's website
128 2011-04-27 01:29:50 <bk128> wait, how are you getting over 400 from a 5870?
129 2011-04-27 01:30:12 <manveru> netxshare: https://en.bitcoin.it/w/index.php?title=Trade&oldid=7737#Psychoactive_drugs
130 2011-04-27 01:30:25 <noagendamarket> make an alternative wiki where anything goes and censors get banned
131 2011-04-27 01:30:32 <noagendamarket> lol
132 2011-04-27 01:30:39 <Diablo-D3> [11:29:08] <EPiSKiNG> managed to get 443MH/s out of my 5870 with the new phoenix
133 2011-04-27 01:30:48 <Diablo-D3> that just proves pheonix is broken
134 2011-04-27 01:31:03 <netxshare> I got my 5970 to 660mh/s
135 2011-04-27 01:32:06 <netxshare> found the one I wanted
136 2011-04-27 01:32:16 <netxshare> looks like the site is offline tho
137 2011-04-27 01:32:29 <EPiSKiNG> Diablo-D3: how so?
138 2011-04-27 01:32:55 <kika> Diablo-D3: diablo miners issues http rpc json requests ? or uses the binary protocol ?
139 2011-04-27 01:33:16 <[Tycho]> EPiSKiNG, what is your GPU frequency ?
140 2011-04-27 01:33:23 <kika> Diablo-D3: diablo miner just issues getwork rpc json requests?
141 2011-04-27 01:33:42 <EPiSKiNG> Core 1000, mem 300
142 2011-04-27 01:34:08 <[Tycho]> Are you mining in pool ?
143 2011-04-27 01:34:21 <Diablo-D3> kika: yes, its just getwork.
144 2011-04-27 01:34:25 <gjs278> I'm at 925 frequency and I claim to get 391
145 2011-04-27 01:34:35 <Diablo-D3> EPiSKiNG: pretty much everyone here thinks its doing accounting wrong
146 2011-04-27 01:34:41 <EPiSKiNG> of course Tycho
147 2011-04-27 01:34:45 <EPiSKiNG> yours
148 2011-04-27 01:34:47 <netxshare> AaronM (Talk | contribs) (28,525 bytes) (???Material products: deleted "psychoactive drugs" section -- let's not promote this kind of use of BTC, okay?)
149 2011-04-27 01:34:55 <EPiSKiNG> so it's not a valid miner??
150 2011-04-27 01:34:57 <luke-jr> netxshare: ++
151 2011-04-27 01:34:58 <gjs278> go vandalise his page
152 2011-04-27 01:34:59 <[Tycho]> EPiSKiNG, PM me your login please. I'll check the speed :)
153 2011-04-27 01:35:05 <netxshare> lol
154 2011-04-27 01:35:08 <EPiSKiNG> seems ok through deepbit
155 2011-04-27 01:35:13 <netxshare> those sites are so sad
156 2011-04-27 01:36:10 <Diablo-D3> EPiSKiNG: basically, it doesnt use bfi_int to its fullest, so getting speeds significantly higher than mine is wrong.
157 2011-04-27 01:36:18 <Diablo-D3> you cant pull performance out of nothing
158 2011-04-27 01:36:25 <luke-jr> actually, I don't know if there's a moral problem with psychoactive drugs, and they ARE legal in some places (I presume), so I revoke that ++
159 2011-04-27 01:36:36 <bk128> Diablo-D3: so it makes up the mhash/sec rate?
160 2011-04-27 01:36:38 <kika> Diablo-D3: so the fastest card on this planet to compute hashes is an ati 6990 ? can i somehow build a cluster of gpus or something to mine faster? that would be the most cost effective way to get as many Mhash/s as i can ? which hardware?
161 2011-04-27 01:36:51 <netxshare> lol
162 2011-04-27 01:37:09 <netxshare> If someone can pay for their drugs they should be able to do them
163 2011-04-27 01:37:12 <kika> *what would
164 2011-04-27 01:37:18 <Diablo-D3> bk128: its accounting it wrong.
165 2011-04-27 01:37:21 <netxshare> only when their drug problem effects other people should it be an issue
166 2011-04-27 01:37:23 <Diablo-D3> kika: no, 5970.
167 2011-04-27 01:37:27 <luke-jr> netxshare: bad logic
168 2011-04-27 01:37:32 <netxshare> how is that?
169 2011-04-27 01:37:37 <[Tycho]> I noticed that total hashing speed variance increased tonight. May be somehow caused by this new miner :)
170 2011-04-27 01:37:39 <Diablo-D3> kika: 6990 has amazing 3D power, but its not as good on bitcoin
171 2011-04-27 01:37:50 <netxshare> if had millions of dollars and could afford my habit just fine, it should be non issue
172 2011-04-27 01:38:03 <luke-jr> netxshare: 1) it assumes harming oneself is moral, 2) it assumes the State lacks the authority to make completely arbitrary laws
173 2011-04-27 01:38:06 <luke-jr> netxshare: both of which are false
174 2011-04-27 01:38:14 <Validus> the 6990 has amazing 3d power when you find something that actually works
175 2011-04-27 01:38:29 <netxshare> there are many legal products that cause harm
176 2011-04-27 01:38:36 <luke-jr> netxshare: that doesn't justify it
177 2011-04-27 01:38:36 <Validus> yep. some worst than drugs
178 2011-04-27 01:38:45 <bk128> Diablo-D3: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison according to that 6990 is faster
179 2011-04-27 01:39:09 <kika> Diablo-D3: how come? i tought this https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison is saying 6990 is 2x 6970
180 2011-04-27 01:39:18 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr threaded_rpc * r0071352b3347 bitcoind-personal/ (makefile.unix rpc.cpp): Put JSON-RPC connections into their own threads, so they can run in parallel UNSTABLE WITH USE_SSL http://tinyurl.com/6zkczkc
181 2011-04-27 01:39:38 <bk128> kika: he's saying 5970 is faster I think
182 2011-04-27 01:39:41 <Diablo-D3> kika: its 2x 6970, but a a 5970 is 2x 5870, and a 5870 beats a 6970
183 2011-04-27 01:39:52 <kika> blk128: yeah i know i just ordered a 6990 because of that however why Diablo-D3 is saying 5970 is better?
184 2011-04-27 01:39:52 <netxshare> weed will be legal in CA soon enough
185 2011-04-27 01:39:59 <Diablo-D3> 69xx has amazing 3D throughput
186 2011-04-27 01:40:04 <netxshare> it is rather close to it as it is
187 2011-04-27 01:40:25 <Diablo-D3> none of the enhancements to the 69xx architecture improve bitcoin speed.
188 2011-04-27 01:40:44 <bk128> Diablo-D3: on that page, max hash for 5970 is 730, max for 6990 (not on phoenix) is 771
189 2011-04-27 01:41:01 <netxshare> 5970 has a max of 730?
190 2011-04-27 01:41:10 <bk128> oh, its OC to 880
191 2011-04-27 01:41:13 <netxshare> ah
192 2011-04-27 01:41:20 <netxshare> that's a high overclock
193 2011-04-27 01:41:24 <Diablo-D3> yeah, you need to make sure you compare at stock rates
194 2011-04-27 01:41:41 <Diablo-D3> and also look at watt efficiency
195 2011-04-27 01:42:02 <Diablo-D3> also, being forced to use sdk 2.4 means you lose about 10-15% speed
196 2011-04-27 01:43:46 <netxshare> oh really
197 2011-04-27 01:43:57 <netxshare> I have been having issues with blue screens
198 2011-04-27 01:44:01 <netxshare> every now and then
199 2011-04-27 01:44:08 <netxshare> it hated mem 300mhz
200 2011-04-27 01:44:12 <netxshare> it worked once
201 2011-04-27 01:44:19 <netxshare> then rebooted and bluescreen all the time
202 2011-04-27 01:44:38 <netxshare> I am using drivers 11.3?
203 2011-04-27 01:44:57 <netxshare> dunno if ill get much more then 660
204 2011-04-27 01:45:29 <dishwara> reinstall windows
205 2011-04-27 01:45:48 <Diablo-D3> yeah, sounds like other shit is going on
206 2011-04-27 01:45:53 <Diablo-D3> also, dont underclock mem
207 2011-04-27 01:45:56 <Diablo-D3> thats REALLY not recommended
208 2011-04-27 01:46:00 <EPiSKiNG> or disable graphic stuff
209 2011-04-27 01:46:01 <Diablo-D3> and you dont buy much from it
210 2011-04-27 01:46:07 <Diablo-D3> you need to control mem VOLTAGE not speed
211 2011-04-27 01:47:43 <luke-jr> hmm
212 2011-04-27 01:47:52 <luke-jr> since that guy took out drugs, I'm very tempted to remove Adult too ;)
213 2011-04-27 01:47:57 <luke-jr> that one should go before drugs
214 2011-04-27 01:48:16 <netxshare> lol
215 2011-04-27 01:48:24 <xelister> new fglrx doesnt seem to work for my linux
216 2011-04-27 01:48:27 <netxshare> it's becomming more of a ad service to make money
217 2011-04-27 01:48:28 <xelister> and sdk2.4 needs it
218 2011-04-27 01:48:32 <xelister> jesus fucking christ
219 2011-04-27 01:48:36 <netxshare> then a useful index for people
220 2011-04-27 01:48:50 <netxshare> but I would like to know every site that will take BTC
221 2011-04-27 01:48:54 <netxshare> just not on the main wiki
222 2011-04-27 01:49:32 <netxshare> so keep the mem at 1ghz and core at 800
223 2011-04-27 01:49:36 <luke-jr> maybe a separate "Questionable Trade" pag
224 2011-04-27 01:49:38 <luke-jr> page*
225 2011-04-27 01:49:45 <netxshare> that is a good idea
226 2011-04-27 01:50:58 <xelister> indeed sdk 2.4 seems better so far
227 2011-04-27 01:51:13 <xelister> it alwasy and without exception, resets the X server, on any CL program start.
228 2011-04-27 01:52:49 <netxshare> Diablo-D3: Do you recommend I switch my drivers?
229 2011-04-27 01:53:09 <Diablo-D3> what hardware?
230 2011-04-27 01:53:13 <xelister> nvidia should teach ati's driver guys how to write drivers
231 2011-04-27 01:53:20 <netxshare> the 5970
232 2011-04-27 01:53:23 <xelister> I mean, seriously, wtf
233 2011-04-27 01:53:24 <netxshare> it's on 11.3
234 2011-04-27 01:53:32 <Diablo-D3> yeah
235 2011-04-27 01:53:37 <netxshare> 11.1?
236 2011-04-27 01:53:39 <xelister> netxshare: what os?
237 2011-04-27 01:53:46 <netxshare> right now windows 7
238 2011-04-27 01:53:52 <Diablo-D3> you should be on 10.9 - 10.11 (WITHOUT the OCL runtime), and use sdk 2.1
239 2011-04-27 01:54:00 <netxshare> okay
240 2011-04-27 01:54:05 <Diablo-D3> and if you're on windows, make sure you uninstalled shit right
241 2011-04-27 01:54:10 <Diablo-D3> rolling back drivers is a pita
242 2011-04-27 01:54:10 <netxshare> yeah
243 2011-04-27 01:54:17 <netxshare> need to get driver cleaner
244 2011-04-27 01:54:27 <EPiSKiNG> driver cleaner?
245 2011-04-27 01:54:39 <xelister> ???
246 2011-04-27 01:56:48 <dishwara> better use driver sweeper from phython.net
247 2011-04-27 01:56:48 <netxshare> it fully uninstalls a driver
248 2011-04-27 01:57:01 <netxshare> im sure that's the same thing
249 2011-04-27 01:57:15 <netxshare> im going to go set that up
250 2011-04-27 01:57:43 <dishwara> oops phyxion.net
251 2011-04-27 01:58:42 <dishwara> http://www.phyxion.net/item/driver-sweeper.html
252 2011-04-27 02:00:34 <EPiSKiNG> Diablo-D3 I'm running 11.3 with OCL druntime and Stream SDK 2.1 and getting great results
253 2011-04-27 02:00:38 <EPiSKiNG> with 5870
254 2011-04-27 02:02:01 <Diablo-D3> 2.1 doesnt work for people on newer cats in windows
255 2011-04-27 02:02:05 <Diablo-D3> but I cant figure out why
256 2011-04-27 02:02:08 <Diablo-D3> it doesnt apply to everyone
257 2011-04-27 02:02:20 <EPiSKiNG> wierd
258 2011-04-27 02:05:54 <xelister> you know what is wierder?
259 2011-04-27 02:06:05 <netxshare> ;;bc,gen 7200000
260 2011-04-27 02:06:06 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 7200000 Khps, given current difficulty of 92347.59095209 , is 78.4207174822 BTC per day and 3.26752989509 BTC per hour.
261 2011-04-27 02:06:15 <netxshare> ;;bc,calc 7200000
262 2011-04-27 02:06:16 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 7200000 Khps, given current difficulty of 92347.59095209 , is 15 hours, 18 minutes, and 7 seconds
263 2011-04-27 02:06:17 <xelister> guys are coding damn gfx cards all day long for a living for like 10 years and still didn't figured out this drivers shit out
264 2011-04-27 02:10:26 <dishwara> Since they are just drivers & driver writers/coders may be they need some conductors to conduct
265 2011-04-27 02:13:45 <xelister> Installation complete.
266 2011-04-27 02:13:46 <xelister> *** glibc detected *** ./setup.data/bin/x86_64/setup: double free or corruption (fasttop): 0x000000000209c2b0 ***
267 2011-04-27 02:13:58 <xelister> ^-- the radeon  **INSTALLER** programm.  Good job.
268 2011-04-27 02:14:19 <luke-jr> xelister: yay for Gentoo
269 2011-04-27 02:14:37 <luke-jr> emerge ati-drivers
270 2011-04-27 02:14:39 <luke-jr> done
271 2011-04-27 02:14:40 <luke-jr> :P
272 2011-04-27 02:14:48 <xelister> luke-jr: ubuntu comes with ati driver
273 2011-04-27 02:14:51 <xelister> but older version
274 2011-04-27 02:15:13 <luke-jr> shrug
275 2011-04-27 02:15:16 <luke-jr> why do you want new anyway
276 2011-04-27 02:15:22 <xelister> I dont want
277 2011-04-27 02:15:27 <xelister> but SDK 2.4 needs it
278 2011-04-27 02:15:48 <xelister> I dont want sdk 2.4 actually too much, but 2.1 eats all the cpu and its wife and family
279 2011-04-27 02:15:55 <xelister> *2.2
280 2011-04-27 02:16:11 <luke-jr> 2.1 works fine
281 2011-04-27 02:16:51 <xelister> how can serious people make their INSTALLER program (run as root) segfault itself on typical use?
282 2011-04-27 02:17:02 <xelister> 1.
283 2011-04-27 02:22:22 <xelister> 9. get high and let interns handle it
284 2011-04-27 02:28:34 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.88,"low":1.5301,"vol":24273,"buy":1.84,"sell":1.88,"last":1.88}}
285 2011-04-27 02:28:34 <x6763> ;;bc,mtgox
286 2011-04-27 02:34:39 <purplezky> ;;bc,stats
287 2011-04-27 02:34:41 <gribble> Current Blocks: 120430 | Current Difficulty: 92347.59095209 | Next Difficulty At Block: 120959 | Next Difficulty In: 529 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 23 hours, 24 minutes, and 54 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 107585.02442323
288 2011-04-27 02:54:18 <sethsethseth> why does it cost me .01 to do every transaction, yet when i mine a block i usually only get .01 for it
289 2011-04-27 02:54:46 <doublec> why does it cost you .01 to do a transaction?
290 2011-04-27 02:55:47 <sethsethseth> oh do i have my fee set too high?
291 2011-04-27 02:56:18 <sethsethseth> whenever i would try to send like 100btc with no fee teh client would tell me to put a fee on it
292 2011-04-27 02:56:46 <fabianhjr> Going to finish the Bitcoin PHP class tomorrow :D https://github.com/fabianhjr/bitcoinClient/
293 2011-04-27 02:57:01 <fabianhjr> Night
294 2011-04-27 03:03:58 <netxshare> drivers 10.10 give me a No opencl error
295 2011-04-27 03:04:08 <netxshare> even after I have installed stream sdk 2.1
296 2011-04-27 03:05:54 <netxshare> I am having a hard time finding old drivers too
297 2011-04-27 03:07:45 <Diablo-D3> sounds like user error
298 2011-04-27 03:08:46 <netxshare> finding the drivers
299 2011-04-27 03:08:53 <netxshare> or it failing?
300 2011-04-27 03:08:56 <lfm> following instructions
301 2011-04-27 03:09:15 <netxshare> did I missing something?
302 2011-04-27 03:09:28 <Diablo-D3> dunno, I dont use windows
303 2011-04-27 03:09:38 <netxshare> WITHOUT the OCL runtime)
304 2011-04-27 03:09:43 <netxshare> mine was _OCL
305 2011-04-27 03:10:26 <lfm> look at the sdk install instruction again
306 2011-04-27 03:10:35 <lfm> s
307 2011-04-27 03:10:46 <netxshare> is there a guide or something, I just ran setup.exe
308 2011-04-27 03:11:01 <lfm> yup, thats your problem
309 2011-04-27 03:11:04 <netxshare> ah okay
310 2011-04-27 03:13:21 <netxshare> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3774.msg60557#msg60557
311 2011-04-27 03:13:28 <netxshare> is that what you are talking about?
312 2011-04-27 03:15:13 <lfm> no instructions from amd site
313 2011-04-27 03:19:42 <netxshare> where is that at
314 2011-04-27 03:31:03 <EPiSKiNG> phoenix is running super stable on my rig
315 2011-04-27 03:31:39 <EPiSKiNG> deepbit is reporting right on target at 5 minute and 30 minute polling intervals
316 2011-04-27 03:31:54 <EPiSKiNG> i'm converting video and typing
317 2011-04-27 03:31:59 <EPiSKiNG> at agression=13
318 2011-04-27 03:42:59 <Stellar> EPiSKiNG: do you encounter any excessive stale shares?
319 2011-04-27 03:44:26 <Stellar> i have 2956 Accepted/28 rejected on one of my core
320 2011-04-27 03:51:32 <netxshare> epsiking what type of system do you have
321 2011-04-27 03:52:13 <netxshare> at  agression=11 the cmd windows are super slow
322 2011-04-27 03:55:01 <witten> is it expecting that loading the block index should take a while?
323 2011-04-27 03:55:07 <witten> from debug.log:  block index          108785ms
324 2011-04-27 03:55:22 <witten> s/expecting/expected/
325 2011-04-27 03:59:58 <gjs278> ;;bc,timetonext
326 2011-04-27 03:59:59 <gribble> 2 days, 21 hours, 47 minutes, and 10 seconds
327 2011-04-27 04:00:11 <gjs278> ;;bc,estimate
328 2011-04-27 04:00:11 <gribble> 107657.83726876
329 2011-04-27 04:39:13 <EPiSKiNG> Stellar: with 1.2 i believe it was resolved:  1258 / 26 rejected
330 2011-04-27 04:39:41 <EPiSKiNG> netxshare: my command windows are super slow... ut an i7 920 with one 5870
331 2011-04-27 05:14:50 <OneFixt> i think the overclock.net minig thread just got deleted
332 2011-04-27 05:15:11 <OneFixt> mining*
333 2011-04-27 05:15:55 <OneFixt> hmm never mind, back up
334 2011-04-27 05:16:12 <retinal> I was going to say everything at http://google.com/search?q=site:overclock.net+bitcoin worked fine
335 2011-04-27 05:16:43 <retinal> also, '2 Hours Ago' ..?
336 2011-04-27 05:16:46 <retinal> wow, explosive
337 2011-04-27 05:34:41 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
338 2011-04-27 05:34:41 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.88,"low":1.535,"vol":26040,"buy":1.7799,"sell":1.8,"last":1.78}}
339 2011-04-27 05:34:45 <BurtyB> mornin
340 2011-04-27 05:39:18 <noagendamarket> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=6619.msg96743#msg96743  wtf
341 2011-04-27 05:40:04 <noagendamarket> bitcoin national radio ad ?
342 2011-04-27 05:40:42 <noagendamarket> witcoin struggles to get 5btc a month lol
343 2011-04-27 05:47:59 <jaromil> noagendamarket: i've tipped a goot 10btc last week in witcoin c'mon don't whine :)
344 2011-04-27 05:48:14 <jaromil> witcoin its the best bitcoin startup around
345 2011-04-27 05:53:52 <JFK911> ;;bc,mtgox
346 2011-04-27 05:53:54 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.88,"low":1.535,"vol":25974,"buy":1.7798,"sell":1.79,"last":1.7799}}
347 2011-04-27 05:54:13 <JFK911> ;;bc,stats
348 2011-04-27 05:54:15 <gribble> Current Blocks: 120457 | Current Difficulty: 92347.59095209 | Next Difficulty At Block: 120959 | Next Difficulty In: 502 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 19 hours, 12 minutes, and 44 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 107893.12834426
349 2011-04-27 06:06:46 <noagendamarket> :)
350 2011-04-27 06:29:16 <topi`> regarding the national radio ad, I think it's a bit premature to start advertising beta software
351 2011-04-27 06:29:29 <sipa> me too
352 2011-04-27 06:30:29 <topi`> unless there are geeks listening to radio, but I doubt... they are much more likely to watch sucky youtube videos:)
353 2011-04-27 06:30:40 <topi`> I wouldn't want to explain my mom how to set up bitcoin
354 2011-04-27 06:31:36 <JFK911> i wouldnt want my mom to waste bitcoins on stupid stuff that mom buys
355 2011-04-27 06:32:12 <sipa> i would
356 2011-04-27 06:32:26 <sipa> buying stupid stuff is good for the economy :p
357 2011-04-27 06:32:42 <JFK911> MOM! i need those bitcoins!
358 2011-04-27 06:32:44 <JFK911> for silk road!
359 2011-04-27 06:32:53 <JFK911> you like silk, right ma!?!
360 2011-04-27 06:32:55 <topi`> :D
361 2011-04-27 06:33:35 <sipa> molecular: how are the statistics going?
362 2011-04-27 07:17:08 <newbitcoinuser> where can i buy bitcoins with a credit/debit card?
363 2011-04-27 07:18:03 <BlueMatt> not really possible...
364 2011-04-27 07:18:16 <BlueMatt> you can easily buy paypal usd then buy bitcoins with that
365 2011-04-27 07:18:21 <BlueMatt> but directly via cc isnt easy
366 2011-04-27 07:18:41 <BlueMatt> http://coinpal.ndrix.com/
367 2011-04-27 07:19:13 <newbitcoinuser> thanks for the link, checkin it out
368 2011-04-27 07:19:28 <BlueMatt> also, ask around on #bitcoin-otc
369 2011-04-27 07:34:28 <gribble> 108178.47362853
370 2011-04-27 07:34:28 <UukGoblin> ;;bc,estimate
371 2011-04-27 07:42:17 <eps> ;;bc,stats
372 2011-04-27 07:42:19 <gribble> Current Blocks: 120475 | Current Difficulty: 92347.59095209 | Next Difficulty At Block: 120959 | Next Difficulty In: 484 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 16 hours, 15 minutes, and 52 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 108243.90745501
373 2011-04-27 07:42:56 <AStove> Is there a binary out for 0.3.21 yet?
374 2011-04-27 07:43:43 <sipa> http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Bitcoin/bitcoin-0.3.21/
375 2011-04-27 07:44:17 <JFK911> o
376 2011-04-27 07:45:30 <BlueMatt> not "out" yet, but its an rc and probably the final
377 2011-04-27 07:46:25 <AStove> Thanks.
378 2011-04-27 07:48:34 <BlueMatt> didnt gavin say he wanted to get .21 out yesterday?
379 2011-04-27 07:50:38 <AStove> Also, lol at froced language. I have to delete the folder in local to run it in English.
380 2011-04-27 07:50:46 <AStove> forced*
381 2011-04-27 07:52:33 <topi`> how do you force a language?
382 2011-04-27 07:53:19 <AStove> It looks at your regional settings and there's no option to change it, except maybe comandline, but havn't thought about that.
383 2011-04-27 08:09:57 <AStove> Any idea when there's a built in encryption for the wallet comming?
384 2011-04-27 08:14:05 <BlueMatt> AStove: 0.4.0
385 2011-04-27 08:14:14 <BlueMatt> ie the next release after .3.21
386 2011-04-27 08:15:14 <Blitzboom> good. badly needed
387 2011-04-27 08:15:26 <BlueMatt> isnt that what gavin said yesterday?
388 2011-04-27 08:15:29 <BlueMatt> I think he did
389 2011-04-27 08:17:58 <BlueMatt> though there are still several problems with the current patch which need solved
390 2011-04-27 08:18:49 <Blitzboom> what encryption will be used?
391 2011-04-27 08:19:49 <BlueMatt> aes 256 cbc
392 2011-04-27 08:19:50 <molecular> ArtForzZz. phoenix: 3116 shares is 35033 seconds -> 382 mhash/s
393 2011-04-27 08:19:56 <molecular> *in
394 2011-04-27 08:19:57 <BlueMatt> (is jgarziks current patch)
395 2011-04-27 08:20:22 <Blitzboom> ok. i think i would feel safe with greater sums of BTC this way
396 2011-04-27 08:20:41 <Blitzboom> password prompt everytime you initiate a transaction?
397 2011-04-27 08:20:51 <BlueMatt> thats the idea
398 2011-04-27 08:21:06 <Blitzboom> great
399 2011-04-27 08:21:33 <Blitzboom> next on my personal wishlist would be wallet merging
400 2011-04-27 08:21:43 <BlueMatt> <gavinandresen> I'd like the next version to be 0.4 with jgarzik's encrypt-private-keys incorporated
401 2011-04-27 08:22:19 <BlueMatt> also autotools and Im hoping for bitcoin: uris
402 2011-04-27 08:22:37 <Blitzboom> ah, yeah. URI is going to be awesome
403 2011-04-27 08:22:49 <BlueMatt> next release is going to be big
404 2011-04-27 08:23:01 <Blitzboom> hence .4 i guess
405 2011-04-27 08:23:16 <doublec> how will bitcoin URI's work?
406 2011-04-27 08:23:57 <BlueMatt> doublec: you create a bitcoin:address ... link and when you click it it opens a bitcoin send dialog
407 2011-04-27 08:24:15 <doublec> via a browser plugin I guess?
408 2011-04-27 08:24:20 <BlueMatt> doublec: nope
409 2011-04-27 08:24:30 <doublec> how will it work?
410 2011-04-27 08:24:31 <BlueMatt> no plugins necessary
411 2011-04-27 08:24:43 <molecular> ? how does that work?
412 2011-04-27 08:24:49 <BlueMatt> all oses have support for protocol handler registration
413 2011-04-27 08:24:58 <BlueMatt> currently its only implemented on windows (in the pull)
414 2011-04-27 08:25:04 <doublec> ah right
415 2011-04-27 08:25:14 <BlueMatt> but it shouldnt be hard on gnome, probably also kde
416 2011-04-27 08:25:16 <doublec> I thought you might be using HTML's registerProtocolHandler
417 2011-04-27 08:25:17 <Blitzboom> man, this is going to make everything so much easier
418 2011-04-27 08:25:23 <BlueMatt> mac would be a bit harder from what I can tel
419 2011-04-27 08:25:24 <Blitzboom> two clicks and done
420 2011-04-27 08:25:40 <molecular> hopefully not "one-click" :)
421 2011-04-27 08:25:47 <BlueMatt> nope
422 2011-04-27 08:26:01 <molecular> amazon could do that
423 2011-04-27 08:26:20 <BlueMatt> but we probably want to confirm before we send
424 2011-04-27 08:26:27 <BlueMatt> 2 clicks is good enough for me
425 2011-04-27 08:26:55 <Blitzboom> well, with encryption it should be two clicks and passphrase
426 2011-04-27 08:27:06 <BlueMatt> good point
427 2011-04-27 08:27:12 <BlueMatt> oh well I dont mind that
428 2011-04-27 08:27:15 <doublec> I look forward to exploit^H^Hring that feature
429 2011-04-27 08:27:16 <molecular> I'm getting 318 mhps on half a stock 5970 with phoenix miner, that's 14% better than with m0mchill's
430 2011-04-27 08:27:22 <Blitzboom> neither do i. security is more important
431 2011-04-27 08:28:27 <BlueMatt> molecular: isnt that the paid one?
432 2011-04-27 08:28:56 <Blitzboom> and personally im not afraid by keyloggers or else id have lots of trouble already :D
433 2011-04-27 08:32:21 <Diablo-D3> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcGTUaG930U
434 2011-04-27 08:33:45 <BlueMatt> you link the most random things
435 2011-04-27 08:47:54 <asn> You guys didn't get into GSoC?
436 2011-04-27 08:55:05 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: heh, isnt that the nature of the internet?
437 2011-04-27 08:56:41 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: yep, pretty much
438 2011-04-27 08:58:45 <doublec> hmm, my webserver doesn't like serving pages to requests for .bit domains for some reason
439 2011-04-27 08:59:02 <doublec> it works for a while then, stops, just sending no response to the http request
440 2011-04-27 09:05:41 <molecular> BlueMatt, no, phoenix is free and opensource
441 2011-04-27 09:08:55 <sacarlson> I got weeds net proto setup to run public on freenode #weeds  ready for testing from outside
442 2011-04-27 09:09:12 <ersi> weeds net?
443 2011-04-27 09:09:15 <BlueMatt> sacarlson: what is weeds?
444 2011-04-27 09:09:37 <sacarlson> weeds is just a name of my last proto network chain
445 2011-04-27 09:10:17 <sacarlson> it's a new chain with max of 10 million units already produced with no more to be produced
446 2011-04-27 09:10:42 <BlueMatt> why?
447 2011-04-27 09:11:16 <sacarlson> BlueMatt: just experimenting with new chains to be used for trading
448 2011-04-27 09:11:52 <BlueMatt> you think you're gonna get any traders?
449 2011-04-27 09:12:11 <sacarlson> I was asked by someone today if I would trade btc for weeds
450 2011-04-27 09:12:33 <BlueMatt> interesting
451 2011-04-27 09:12:34 <sacarlson> but I'm not sure it's ready yet for the public
452 2011-04-27 09:13:17 <BlueMatt> no offense but I hope it doesnt get picked up, we really dont need to split our efforts among a ton of different currencies
453 2011-04-27 09:13:28 <sacarlson> I originaly planed to have very limited zero grouth chains but this is the last one I was working on when I fixed the IRC part that was broken
454 2011-04-27 09:14:01 <sacarlson> BlueMatt: no offense taken
455 2011-04-27 09:15:15 <sacarlson> BlueMatt: and I don't see split effort I use all your code
456 2011-04-27 09:15:31 <mtrlt> but different currency
457 2011-04-27 09:15:40 <BlueMatt> we arent fighting to code, we are fighting for currency adoption
458 2011-04-27 09:15:46 <mtrlt> if you don't see the split effort there, then get eyeglasses :(
459 2011-04-27 09:16:04 <Blitzboom> i agree with BlueMatt, although i like the idea of competing bitcoin-currencies
460 2011-04-27 09:16:09 <mtrlt> i don't
461 2011-04-27 09:16:31 <BlueMatt> I like the idea, but the split effort makes me disagree
462 2011-04-27 09:16:31 <mtrlt> there is no reason to have multiple volatile currencies, nobody's gonna use them
463 2011-04-27 09:16:50 <Blitzboom> bitcoin already has basic infrastructure (forums, wiki, exchanges, shops and organizations accepting it)
464 2011-04-27 09:16:53 <mtrlt> if we can get the first one to stabilize, then would be the time for possible other currencies
465 2011-04-27 09:17:01 <Blitzboom> ^ i agree
466 2011-04-27 09:17:02 <edcba> sacarlson: 10M divisible ?
467 2011-04-27 09:17:15 <sacarlson> mtrlt: well I saw it as a way to make quicker steps with different networks with different rules like mine clears quicker with only 2 blocks to verify
468 2011-04-27 09:17:31 <sacarlson> edcba: yes 10m divisible
469 2011-04-27 09:17:39 <mtrlt> yea but my argument still stands
470 2011-04-27 09:17:51 <mtrlt> one strong currency is much better than many volatile ones
471 2011-04-27 09:18:03 <edcba> divisible by how much ?
472 2011-04-27 09:18:06 <Blitzboom> yeah & plus networking effect
473 2011-04-27 09:18:11 <sacarlson> edcba: I had originaly planed only 10,000 divisible but I just needed to test all posibilities
474 2011-04-27 09:18:53 <Blitzboom> if bitcoin had stable demand and a market id be all for it
475 2011-04-27 09:18:54 <sacarlson> edcba: by same as bit coin .000000001
476 2011-04-27 09:19:08 <edcba> ok it's a forl
477 2011-04-27 09:19:09 <edcba> fork
478 2011-04-27 09:19:38 <edcba> so what do i do to have some weedcoins ?
479 2011-04-27 09:19:50 <sacarlson> edcba: it's not much a a fork it just adds flexibility and includes transacitons on bitcoin chains also
480 2011-04-27 09:20:35 <sacarlson> edcba: you would have to compile the needed changes from git and use the weeds config file
481 2011-04-27 09:21:14 <edcba> i thought coins were already generated ?
482 2011-04-27 09:21:28 <mtrlt> how does that work anyway :P
483 2011-04-27 09:21:34 <sacarlson> edcba: yes but you can still mine for transaction fee's
484 2011-04-27 09:21:44 <mtrlt> where's the incentive to hop onboard
485 2011-04-27 09:22:36 <sacarlson> mtrlt: no real incentive that I can think of at this time until the coins attached to something of real value like realestate or equities
486 2011-04-27 09:23:53 <mtrlt> i see.
487 2011-04-27 09:24:21 <sacarlson> or if it tied to a casino with there own curency
488 2011-04-27 09:25:51 <sacarlson> in theory it shouldn't take much power to run since there is not much motiviation to mine other than to keep transactions flowing
489 2011-04-27 09:26:15 <BlueMatt> kills the double-spend protection though
490 2011-04-27 09:26:45 <sacarlson> BlueMatt: I'm not sure I have setup one check block but not sure how much protection that provides
491 2011-04-27 09:27:45 <BlueMatt> what?
492 2011-04-27 09:28:37 <ersi> Diablo-D3: Edit I Ja seems awesome
493 2011-04-27 09:30:16 <Diablo-D3> I liked it
494 2011-04-27 09:37:48 <sacarlson> edcba: oh and I would give you 500 weeds for free just for testing if you want any
495 2011-04-27 09:40:00 <lfm> why they called weeds? is that the target market? weed?
496 2011-04-27 09:41:00 <Diablo-D3> makes cents
497 2011-04-27 09:41:03 <Diablo-D3> dohohohohoho
498 2011-04-27 09:42:08 <sacarlson> lfm: well I do like smoking it and it just came to mind
499 2011-04-27 09:43:43 <sacarlson> plutonium was on my list of names but I thought that might attract the wrong idea
500 2011-04-27 09:44:08 <Diablo-D3> as long as you dont let the libyans have it, I dont see the problem
501 2011-04-27 09:44:11 <edcba> the problem with your money sacarlson is that you control all of it
502 2011-04-27 09:44:55 <sacarlson> edcba: maybe now but I'm very generose so that shouldn't be a problem
503 2011-04-27 09:46:00 <sacarlson> and in this format in my opinion it has no value until it points at something
504 2011-04-27 09:47:43 <slush> Any experience with this 5870? http://img07.allegroimg.pl/photos/400x300/15/79/63/36/1579633668_1
505 2011-04-27 09:48:04 <Diablo-D3> looks like a ref 5870 with stock cooler
506 2011-04-27 09:48:06 <slush> design is slightly modified, I'm not sure if cooler is reference
507 2011-04-27 09:48:27 <Diablo-D3> plastic housing is a little fancier though
508 2011-04-27 09:48:29 <Diablo-D3> ask art
509 2011-04-27 09:50:00 <edcba> sacarlson: we have to trust you
510 2011-04-27 09:50:06 <rly> Is there any company that converts VHDL designs into hardware with listed prices?
511 2011-04-27 09:50:13 <slush> Diablo-D3: thanks
512 2011-04-27 09:50:21 <edcba> with satoshi's way we only needed to trust the code
513 2011-04-27 09:50:45 <sacarlson> edcba: well I'm not sure you would be the people that invested in me would
514 2011-04-27 09:50:48 <rly> edcba: no, we also need to trust that not too many coins have been collected by first adopters.
515 2011-04-27 09:50:59 <sacarlson> edcba: buy my code is public
516 2011-04-27 09:51:31 <Diablo-D3> dude
517 2011-04-27 09:51:33 <edcba> yes it's quite same than satoshi i guess
518 2011-04-27 09:51:37 <Diablo-D3> I want printed bitcoin bills
519 2011-04-27 09:51:42 <Diablo-D3> IN SATOSHI WE TRUST
520 2011-04-27 09:51:44 <Diablo-D3> or something
521 2011-04-27 09:52:29 <rly> How many BTC exist now? 1e5*50?
522 2011-04-27 09:52:40 <sacarlson> edcba: boy my typing sucks today my code is free and is public in git
523 2011-04-27 09:52:49 <edcba> but satoshi algo would have been distributed among a lot of ppl when totally mined
524 2011-04-27 09:52:55 <edcba> it's not the case in your money
525 2011-04-27 09:53:15 <edcba> my english was bad
526 2011-04-27 09:53:46 <edcba> you completely reversed the idea of bitcoin it seems
527 2011-04-27 09:54:23 <sacarlson> edcba: yes his code is also public now not in the future,  it just changes or enables changing the rules
528 2011-04-27 10:05:37 <sacarlson> but to give you any confidence in btc I have already started ACH transfers to mtgox to buy up to $5000 USD worth of btc
529 2011-04-27 10:06:09 <xxxxxxx> sacarlson, when?
530 2011-04-27 10:06:30 <Diablo-D3> $5000?
531 2011-04-27 10:06:31 <Diablo-D3> jesus.
532 2011-04-27 10:06:39 <xxxxxxx> 5000 will easily make the price jump over 2.0 USD
533 2011-04-27 10:06:43 <sacarlson> when will I buy them?  I'm not sure I will monitor the market but the money will soon be transfered there
534 2011-04-27 10:06:47 <Blitzboom> xxxxxxx: no
535 2011-04-27 10:06:53 <xxxxxxx> ACH takes 3 days
536 2011-04-27 10:06:57 <xxxxxxx> when did u start it
537 2011-04-27 10:07:10 <xxxxxxx> Blitzboom, no what?
538 2011-04-27 10:07:14 <sacarlson> xxxxxxx: I'm not in the much of a rush
539 2011-04-27 10:07:15 <Blitzboom> no, it will not
540 2011-04-27 10:07:21 <Blitzboom> see the order book
541 2011-04-27 10:07:40 <Diablo-D3> it'd take $50k to jump over 2
542 2011-04-27 10:07:47 <sacarlson> I still talking to my chase bank about seting the transaction
543 2011-04-27 10:07:55 <Blitzboom> how do you come up with 50k, Diablo-D3?
544 2011-04-27 10:08:02 <Diablo-D3> rough estimate
545 2011-04-27 10:08:07 <xxxxxxx> from experience
546 2011-04-27 10:08:09 <Diablo-D3> theres a few dark orders obviously not being listed
547 2011-04-27 10:08:21 <xxxxxxx> putting in more than 1k makes the price increase quite quickly
548 2011-04-27 10:08:26 <Diablo-D3> plus people will start selling again once it gets up there
549 2011-04-27 10:08:31 <Blitzboom> 50k is not very much considering the >100k volume we had
550 2011-04-27 10:08:35 <Blitzboom> in one day
551 2011-04-27 10:08:41 <Diablo-D3> look at the market depth graph, xxxxxxx
552 2011-04-27 10:08:47 <Diablo-D3> huge resistance at $2
553 2011-04-27 10:09:03 <Blitzboom> not really huge
554 2011-04-27 10:09:16 <xxxxxxx> ah
555 2011-04-27 10:09:29 <Diablo-D3> compared to the history of btc? its huge
556 2011-04-27 10:09:32 <sacarlson> Diablo-D3: but theres also black money that I'm not sure of
557 2011-04-27 10:09:35 <Diablo-D3> I think its the first resistence we've ever had
558 2011-04-27 10:09:43 <Diablo-D3> sacarlson: "dark orders", I said that
559 2011-04-27 10:09:47 <Blitzboom> Diablo-D3: uhm no
560 2011-04-27 10:09:52 <Blitzboom> there have been lager ones
561 2011-04-27 10:10:39 <Blitzboom> and theres a 17k bid at 1.2$ or so
562 2011-04-27 10:11:15 <sacarlson> the more money that comes it the more stable it will become
563 2011-04-27 10:11:25 <BlueMatt> 11k bid @ 1.6
564 2011-04-27 10:11:42 <Blitzboom> nice, BlueMatt &
565 2011-04-27 10:11:56 <Blitzboom> ok, who here is this? D
566 2011-04-27 10:11:59 <Blitzboom> :D
567 2011-04-27 10:13:14 <xxxxxxx> how long till bitcoin is on the cover of time ?
568 2011-04-27 10:13:32 <mrb_> 2 months, 14 days
569 2011-04-27 10:13:51 <sacarlson> ok beer time for me don't do anything I wouldn't do
570 2011-04-27 10:13:58 <da2ce7> lol
571 2011-04-27 10:14:05 <sirius> gavin, man of the year :)
572 2011-04-27 10:14:19 <da2ce7> sacarlson, I need beer alos. :P
573 2011-04-27 10:14:30 <Blitzboom> sirius: satoshi, man of the millenium
574 2011-04-27 10:14:38 <eps> the beers are on scarlson?
575 2011-04-27 10:14:47 <BlueMatt> satoshi man of last year, gavin of this
576 2011-04-27 10:14:52 <sirius> good luck finding satoshi's pic for the cover :P
577 2011-04-27 10:15:07 <da2ce7> sirius, you can be on the back cover.
578 2011-04-27 10:15:18 <sirius> that would be fine, too
579 2011-04-27 10:15:19 <Diablo-D3> just use the mirror issue
580 2011-04-27 10:15:30 <da2ce7> You are Satoshi
581 2011-04-27 10:15:36 <xxxxxxx> that mirror was really ghetto
582 2011-04-27 10:15:46 <Diablo-D3> the mirror was a fucking copout
583 2011-04-27 10:15:58 <BlueMatt> yea, they really couldnt come up with a good idea
584 2011-04-27 10:16:07 <da2ce7> the mirror made my fat ass look big.
585 2011-04-27 10:16:30 <Diablo-D3> (-er)
586 2011-04-27 10:17:57 <noagendamarket> lol
587 2011-04-27 10:28:08 <BlueMatt> someone really likes 1.88
588 2011-04-27 10:29:17 <noagendamarket> ha maybe they are chinese
589 2011-04-27 10:29:23 <noagendamarket> its a lucky number
590 2011-04-27 10:29:25 <Blitzboom> maybe nazis
591 2011-04-27 10:29:25 <noagendamarket> 8
592 2011-04-27 10:56:51 <JFK911> ;;bc,calc 15000
593 2011-04-27 10:56:52 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 15000 Khps, given current difficulty of 92347.59095209 , is 43 weeks, 5 days, 0 hours, 59 minutes, and 52 seconds
594 2011-04-27 10:56:56 <JFK911> ;;bc,gen 15000
595 2011-04-27 10:56:57 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 15000 Khps, given current difficulty of 92347.59095209 , is 0.163376494755 BTC per day and 0.00680735394811 BTC per hour.
596 2011-04-27 11:04:16 <bencoder> ;;bc,mtgox
597 2011-04-27 11:04:17 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.9,"low":1.5635,"vol":29490,"buy":1.8534,"sell":1.889,"last":1.8532}}
598 2011-04-27 11:04:31 <bencoder> insane
599 2011-04-27 11:06:29 <sirius> cool that creating a block is worth almost 100 bucks
600 2011-04-27 11:10:18 <BlueMatt> genjix: ping
601 2011-04-27 11:11:54 <xxxxxxx> hrm
602 2011-04-27 11:12:11 <xxxxxxx> thoughts on webgl based mining ?
603 2011-04-27 11:13:08 <ersi> Get some numbers and people will think about it
604 2011-04-27 11:13:20 <BlueMatt> Id say wait for webcl
605 2011-04-27 11:13:25 <bencoder> that would be WebCL rather than webgl wouldn't it?
606 2011-04-27 11:13:29 <bencoder> ^^
607 2011-04-27 11:14:14 <BlueMatt> can you even do processing in GL?
608 2011-04-27 11:14:15 <xxxxxxx> if you added the code to a popular site you could quickly have an extremely powerful miner
609 2011-04-27 11:14:23 <xxxxxxx> i dunno, havent used it before
610 2011-04-27 11:14:51 <BlueMatt> I dont think you can
611 2011-04-27 11:15:08 <BlueMatt> or well, if its designed properly you shouldnt be able to
612 2011-04-27 11:16:32 <bencoder> i think it is technically posible with glsl
613 2011-04-27 11:19:23 <BlueMatt> anyone know much about aes?
614 2011-04-27 11:20:23 <sipa> no, but maybe somebody knows enough? :D
615 2011-04-27 11:21:04 <BlueMatt> just wanted to discuss jgarzik's encryption
616 2011-04-27 11:21:46 <sipa> i aksed a friend of mine (who has a phd in cryptography) about the suggestion i did myself
617 2011-04-27 11:22:05 <BlueMatt> what was your suggestion?
618 2011-04-27 11:22:14 <bencoder> BlueMatt: http://www.mathematik.uni-dortmund.de/~goeddeke/gpgpu/tutorial.html if you're interested in it, here is a lower level tutorial of GPGPU without one of the higher level frameworks like opencl, which I think would be possible with webgl
619 2011-04-27 11:22:38 <ArtForzZz> dunno about that, iirc webgl is based on GLSL-ES2, which is pretty much OpenGL 2.0 shaders
620 2011-04-27 11:22:57 <sipa> BlueMatt: use the public key or address as IV
621 2011-04-27 11:23:08 <luke-jr> [05:56:18] <ljrbot> Blk 000000000000976a85ddc10f60730bf2babb9a9659639f87d09eacdcfb62e2a9: 1Fx7iX1rUxr5dtSNsMA3ahSbEhbzuX34cC 50.05999999 BTC, 1CT1Wbu5kkQArCkWjHnzKyx6YaPCiFTJdB 0.00000001 BTC
622 2011-04-27 11:24:10 <ArtForzZz> and iirc theres no much support for integer and bitwise stuff in 2.0
623 2011-04-27 11:24:23 <sipa> he commented that it shouldn't be for an attacker to change the value (=the private key in our case), which is true, since that would make it mismatch the key
624 2011-04-27 11:25:06 <sipa> ArtForzZz: we did some tests with the phoenix miner, and my current guess is that it indeed reaches 314Mhash/s per core on stock 5970
625 2011-04-27 11:25:28 <ArtForzZz> huh, weird
626 2011-04-27 11:26:23 <sipa> i get 310Mhash/s calculated from the actual amount of sent shares (including rejected ones, though), with a stddev of 3Mhash/s, so that leaves 314Mhash/s very possible
627 2011-04-27 11:26:33 <ArtForzZz> well, 310 is certainly possible, especially with 1.2
628 2011-04-27 11:26:33 <sipa> disregarding rejected shares it's only 304Mhash/s, thouhj
629 2011-04-27 11:26:34 <luke-jr> http://blockexplorer.com/block/000000000000976a85ddc10f60730bf2babb9a9659639f87d09eacdcfb62e2a9
630 2011-04-27 11:26:36 <BlueMatt> sipa: what does jgarzik's patch use for ivs?
631 2011-04-27 11:26:47 <sipa> BlueMatt: i believe just a constant
632 2011-04-27 11:26:48 <ArtForzZz> now that they actually use BFI_INT for Maj
633 2011-04-27 11:26:55 <sipa> 1.2?
634 2011-04-27 11:27:00 <molecular> I'm getting 318 Mhash/s (corrected for overclocking) with phoenix
635 2011-04-27 11:27:02 <sipa> ah, version number
636 2011-04-27 11:27:08 <ArtForzZz> yep
637 2011-04-27 11:27:12 <molecular> on half a 5970
638 2011-04-27 11:27:16 <ArtForzZz> 1.1 only used BFI_INT for CH()
639 2011-04-27 11:27:24 <sipa> but i don't see why the hashmeter would be wrong
640 2011-04-27 11:27:35 <sipa> so i believe it actually does 314
641 2011-04-27 11:27:42 <molecular> I have to agree
642 2011-04-27 11:27:47 <ArtForzZz> yup
643 2011-04-27 11:27:55 <ArtForzZz> with current version, certainly possible
644 2011-04-27 11:28:22 <sipa> BlueMatt: it just uses a constant value, i believe
645 2011-04-27 11:28:31 <ArtForzZz> especially with vectors
646 2011-04-27 11:28:42 <sipa> without vectors it is a lot slower
647 2011-04-27 11:28:53 <sipa> but shouldn't opencl do that vectors-optimization itself?
648 2011-04-27 11:29:13 <ArtForzZz> yes, but the compiler is kinda... well... ATI
649 2011-04-27 11:29:18 <sipa> :D
650 2011-04-27 11:29:23 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: whatcha think?
651 2011-04-27 11:29:40 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: on key encryption?
652 2011-04-27 11:29:46 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: on my new block :p
653 2011-04-27 11:29:51 <ArtForzZz> same way spelling out constant parts of the calculation shouldnt be required
654 2011-04-27 11:30:01 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: http://blockexplorer.com/block/000000000000976a85ddc10f60730bf2babb9a9659639f87d09eacdcfb62e2a9
655 2011-04-27 11:30:06 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: you sent yourself 50 and another address 0.0000...1?
656 2011-04-27 11:30:11 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: yes
657 2011-04-27 11:30:15 <BlueMatt> why?
658 2011-04-27 11:30:22 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: this will be how my pool pays out
659 2011-04-27 11:30:29 <BlueMatt> ah, cool
660 2011-04-27 11:30:31 <luke-jr> I wanted to test it
661 2011-04-27 11:31:04 <luke-jr> only problem is it depends on multithreaded JSON-RPC, which is a bit unstable
662 2011-04-27 11:33:22 <BlueMatt> sipa: so all that needs added from a security pov is using pub keys as ivs?
663 2011-04-27 11:33:44 <BlueMatt> also, are you sure aes-cbc would be exploitable with constant ivs?
664 2011-04-27 11:33:54 <sipa> i'm quite sure it won't
665 2011-04-27 11:34:11 <BlueMatt> but pubkeys are definitely better?
666 2011-04-27 11:34:21 <nanotube> what are you guys talking about? wallet encryption?
667 2011-04-27 11:34:24 <sipa> yes
668 2011-04-27 11:35:01 <nanotube> ah cool.
669 2011-04-27 11:35:26 <Blitzboom> nanotube will probably suggest GPG :P
670 2011-04-27 11:35:40 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: curiously, listtransactions shows the total of both under a single Generated
671 2011-04-27 11:35:46 <sipa> only in very specific cases i think you could derive some information even in ecb mode, i think
672 2011-04-27 11:35:57 <nanotube> Blitzboom: haha and indeed i have done so before. :)
673 2011-04-27 11:35:59 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: not really surprising
674 2011-04-27 11:36:11 <Blitzboom> GPG would be cool imo
675 2011-04-27 11:36:12 <luke-jr> once you know the code, not surprising
676 2011-04-27 11:36:13 <sipa> but still, using varying IVs will even make that almost impossible
677 2011-04-27 11:36:27 <luke-jr> but if I hadn't seen how it's implemented, I would be very suspicious :P
678 2011-04-27 11:36:30 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: really not what pub/priv encryption is used for
679 2011-04-27 11:36:42 <xxxxxxx> BlueMatt, check out http://www.freearchive.org/o/907da43df4038f882bf25159cb3f26708735a60f3bff881372b3bb8f6cf677be
680 2011-04-27 11:36:43 <BlueMatt> sipa: fair enough
681 2011-04-27 11:36:51 <luke-jr> also, this block brings my average mining earnings to 158% of what bc,calc predicts
682 2011-04-27 11:36:55 <xxxxxxx> search for AES and start from there
683 2011-04-27 11:37:02 <BlueMatt> xxxxxxx: yea, ive read through that
684 2011-04-27 11:37:07 <BlueMatt> great presentation
685 2011-04-27 11:37:28 <xxxxxxx> yea
686 2011-04-27 11:58:14 <topi`> great primer on crypto :)
687 2011-04-27 11:58:38 <topi`> I have used aes256 without any real facts behind its use to encrypt my wallet.dat
688 2011-04-27 11:58:47 <topi`> but it seems it's recommended for block crypto
689 2011-04-27 11:59:16 <topi`> what's wrong with blowfish? :) I think many ssh implementations have used it.
690 2011-04-27 12:00:30 <BlueMatt> aes is more known, more tested and more used, Id much prefer to use it
691 2011-04-27 12:00:37 <luke-jr> just xor every byte with random data
692 2011-04-27 12:01:01 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: that great encryption in that no one can ever decrypt?
693 2011-04-27 12:01:08 <luke-jr> :D
694 2011-04-27 12:02:18 <topi`> I think the protected AAC files I bought from iTunes music store, must be AES128 encrypted.
695 2011-04-27 12:02:31 <topi`> (yeah, i know, evil evil, well...)
696 2011-04-27 12:05:04 <BlueMatt> when out of memory, does kernel kill largest mem-using program or simply not allow new mallocs?
697 2011-04-27 12:05:39 <luke-jr> depends on config
698 2011-04-27 12:05:48 <luke-jr> on desktop OS, usually the killer
699 2011-04-27 12:05:54 <BlueMatt> default==?
700 2011-04-27 12:06:00 <luke-jr> on servers, it varies
701 2011-04-27 12:06:06 <luke-jr> mine denys mallocs
702 2011-04-27 12:06:14 <BlueMatt> desktops?
703 2011-04-27 12:06:20 <luke-jr> [10:05:48] <luke-jr> on desktop OS, usually the killer
704 2011-04-27 12:06:32 <BlueMatt> meaning?
705 2011-04-27 12:06:40 <tcatm> yep, linux kills processes on low memory
706 2011-04-27 12:06:50 <BurtyB> on one of my centos boxes I find it likes to kill named :(
707 2011-04-27 12:07:02 <BlueMatt> the one with the largest mem usage or?
708 2011-04-27 12:07:03 <ersi> OOM says MOO
709 2011-04-27 12:07:26 <tcatm> BlueMatt: IIRC the algorithm is more complex
710 2011-04-27 12:08:05 <topi`> you want to kill the process that does too many mallocs without subsequent free()s
711 2011-04-27 12:08:11 <tcatm> BlueMatt: http://linux-mm.org/OOM_Killer
712 2011-04-27 12:13:01 <advertisingbit> Hi all. I'm working on a simple ad network - http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=6610.0 - any comments?
713 2011-04-27 12:14:53 <UukGoblin> shit. advertisingbit, awesome idea! why did I think of it ;-]
714 2011-04-27 12:15:37 <advertisingbit> hah. thanks.
715 2011-04-27 12:16:08 <advertisingbit> im trying to use a proof-of-work system to manage clickfraud.
716 2011-04-27 12:16:25 <UukGoblin> ooh, that might be tricky. detailz plz!
717 2011-04-27 12:16:33 <BlueMatt> everything in the bitcoin community is pow based now
718 2011-04-27 12:16:36 <molecular> advertisingbit, nice idea. similar to projectfabulous?
719 2011-04-27 12:17:07 <advertisingbit> molecular, not really - OF is more like buysellads.com. i'm aiming for something like adsense.
720 2011-04-27 12:17:14 <advertisingbit> except anyone can sign up, no approval.
721 2011-04-27 12:17:33 <advertisingbit> i'm using a technique like hashcash.
722 2011-04-27 12:17:48 <molecular> advertisingbit, awright... not into ad at all... if I had sth to advertise, I would look into advertisingbit
723 2011-04-27 12:18:03 <advertisingbit> a browser runs md5 hashes in the background, when it finds one that has four zeroes - it sends it to the adserver.
724 2011-04-27 12:18:10 <advertisingbit> and the adserver then counts all it's impressions, not before.
725 2011-04-27 12:18:37 <advertisingbit> mostly doing it for fun though.
726 2011-04-27 12:18:44 <sipa> ;;bc,gen 1384000
727 2011-04-27 12:18:45 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1384000 Khps, given current difficulty of 92347.59095209 , is 15.0742045827 BTC per day and 0.628091857612 BTC per hour.
728 2011-04-27 12:19:04 <UukGoblin> advertisingbit, hrm, clickspammers will use gfx cards to generate clicks then
729 2011-04-27 12:19:29 <advertisingbit> the hashing function has to run in the browser, so just plain cpu would be far faster.
730 2011-04-27 12:19:52 <advertisingbit> i'm not sure how to properly solve clickspam. hopefully i can work it out somehow.
731 2011-04-27 12:20:16 <TD[work]> heh
732 2011-04-27 12:20:22 <TD[work]> clickspam == hard work
733 2011-04-27 12:20:45 <UukGoblin> advertisingbit, you'd have no way of enforcing of where it's actually run
734 2011-04-27 12:21:04 <BlueMatt> TD[work]: isnt it your job to stop clickspam?
735 2011-04-27 12:22:14 <TD[work]> sort of .... i'm more dealing with regular spam. but there's a fair bit of overlap
736 2011-04-27 12:22:38 <brycek> pick an algorithm GPUs are awful at
737 2011-04-27 12:22:40 <BlueMatt> hah, ok in either case it takes a fair bit of work to prevent clickspam
738 2011-04-27 12:22:46 <xxxxxxx> advertisingbit, that's not gonna work
739 2011-04-27 12:22:48 <BlueMatt> but I suppose you know that
740 2011-04-27 12:22:59 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1357000 Khps, given current difficulty of 92347.59095209 , is 14.7801268921 BTC per day and 0.615838620506 BTC per hour.
741 2011-04-27 12:22:59 <sipa> ;;bc,gen 1357000
742 2011-04-27 12:23:53 <advertisingbit> yeah. i realise that clickspam is the impossible thing.
743 2011-04-27 12:24:18 <TD[work]> it's not impossible
744 2011-04-27 12:24:24 <TD[work]> obviously. otherwise google would be out of business.
745 2011-04-27 12:24:30 <TD[work]> it IS a lot of work if you're up against sophisticated adversaries
746 2011-04-27 12:24:33 <TD[work]> however, you won't be.
747 2011-04-27 12:24:44 <TD[work]> because you're very small .... not much money to be stolen
748 2011-04-27 12:29:20 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r5ff32af655f0 spesmilo/cashier.py: Optimize: Rather than re-style every single table item when there's a new block, only do it for actual changes http://tinyurl.com/3px2237
749 2011-04-27 12:33:25 <advertisingbit> Are there any interesting web-development bounties going at the moment?
750 2011-04-27 12:34:04 <Diablo-D3> bounties? no
751 2011-04-27 12:34:08 <Diablo-D3> no one pays me for my work
752 2011-04-27 12:34:23 <Diablo-D3> I do it.... because I can. Also, my disk is bigger, I dont really need reasons.
753 2011-04-27 12:34:39 <ersi> "Do what we can, because, we must - la lala lalalala"
754 2011-04-27 12:34:55 <Diablo-D3> hehhhhh.
755 2011-04-27 12:35:00 <Diablo-D3> thats wrong
756 2011-04-27 12:35:08 <Diablo-D3> Do what we must because we can
757 2011-04-27 12:35:17 <ersi> bah
758 2011-04-27 12:35:53 <Diablo-D3> black mesa, fat chance, ha ha, etc, etc
759 2011-04-27 12:36:37 <UukGoblin> aaanywaay this cake is great; it's so delicious and moist!
760 2011-04-27 12:37:02 <UukGoblin> is there a json-rpc call to check balance from unconfirmed transactions?
761 2011-04-27 12:37:30 <[Tycho]> ...I've experiments to run, there is research to be done on the miners who are still alive
762 2011-04-27 12:38:34 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: I... dont think so
763 2011-04-27 12:38:37 <Diablo-D3> that'd be useful
764 2011-04-27 12:38:56 <Diablo-D3> also, I probably wont be playing portal 2. ever.
765 2011-04-27 12:39:06 <Diablo-D3> at least not until they drop prices down to like $15
766 2011-04-27 12:39:07 <UukGoblin> old versions used to show the balance immediately
767 2011-04-27 12:39:20 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: whats the point if you cant spend it
768 2011-04-27 12:39:29 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, just to see if someone sent it
769 2011-04-27 12:41:26 <Diablo-D3> ahh
770 2011-04-27 12:41:31 <Diablo-D3> then balance would be useless
771 2011-04-27 12:41:35 <Diablo-D3> you want actual transactions
772 2011-04-27 12:42:23 <UukGoblin> yeah, I guess.
773 2011-04-27 12:42:35 <UukGoblin> any would be useful
774 2011-04-27 12:42:44 <Diablo-D3> pretty sure listtransactions still lists new tx
775 2011-04-27 12:43:01 <UukGoblin> I think they need 1+ confirmation, doesn't it?
776 2011-04-27 12:43:06 <Diablo-D3> yeah, at least 1
777 2011-04-27 12:43:14 <Diablo-D3> its gotta be in a block in the chain
778 2011-04-27 12:43:18 <Diablo-D3> ANOTHER BLOCK IN THE CHAIN
779 2011-04-27 12:44:04 <UukGoblin> I want UNconfirmed transactions
780 2011-04-27 12:44:13 <UukGoblin> to see them as soon as they're sent, like, instantly.
781 2011-04-27 12:44:28 <Diablo-D3> When we grew up and had a job, there were certain bankers who would hurt the people anyway they could, etc etc etc
782 2011-04-27 12:44:34 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: they're still unconfirmed at 1
783 2011-04-27 12:44:55 <UukGoblin> well in my language, they have 1 confirmation then
784 2011-04-27 12:44:56 <Diablo-D3> btw, the UI client will show 0/unconfirmed
785 2011-04-27 12:45:04 <UukGoblin> yeah, the UI one will
786 2011-04-27 12:45:06 <Diablo-D3> but only if it saw the push
787 2011-04-27 12:45:13 <Diablo-D3> not everyone sees a new tx event
788 2011-04-27 12:45:24 <UukGoblin> no?
789 2011-04-27 12:45:50 <Diablo-D3> no
790 2011-04-27 12:45:58 <sipa> getbalance "*" 0
791 2011-04-27 12:46:07 <sipa> in 0.3.21
792 2011-04-27 12:46:38 <UukGoblin> ah, great, thanks
793 2011-04-27 12:46:45 <UukGoblin> I think it's OK in 3.19 too
794 2011-04-27 12:46:49 <UukGoblin> 0.3.19 I mean
795 2011-04-27 12:46:50 <Diablo-D3> WE DONT NEED NO CREDIT CARDS, WE DONT NEED NO BANK ACCOUNTS
796 2011-04-27 12:46:58 <Diablo-D3> NO DARK SARCASM IN THE WALLET
797 2011-04-27 12:47:03 <Diablo-D3> BANKERS LEAVE THEM PEOPLE ALONE
798 2011-04-27 12:47:32 <sipa> aha, a great classic by pink coin
799 2011-04-27 12:47:34 <UukGoblin> ... all and all it's just a...nother block in the chain!
800 2011-04-27 12:47:35 <Diablo-D3> ALL IN ALL ITS JUST ANOTHER BLOCK IN THE CHAIN
801 2011-04-27 12:47:45 <UukGoblin> [-;
802 2011-04-27 12:47:50 <Diablo-D3> god thats horrible
803 2011-04-27 12:47:52 <Diablo-D3> it doesnt even rhyme
804 2011-04-27 12:48:47 <UukGoblin> hrm except getbalance "*" returns 0 ;-P
805 2011-04-27 12:49:03 <UukGoblin> so /that/ is what I need from 0.3.21 ;-]
806 2011-04-27 12:57:26 <Diablo-D3> http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/boingboing/iBag/~3/-dzDWOr7bXM/sex-ed-cthulhu-style.html
807 2011-04-27 13:26:35 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: http://blockexplorer.com/block/000000000000976a85ddc10f60730bf2babb9a9659639f87d09eacdcfb62e2a9
808 2011-04-27 13:35:23 <gavinandresen> luke-jr:  something in particular you want me to notice about that block?
809 2011-04-27 13:35:36 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: the generation
810 2011-04-27 13:36:21 <gavinandresen> Looks OK to me.  Weird, but ok
811 2011-04-27 13:39:58 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: going to use that for my pool's payouts ;)
812 2011-04-27 13:41:08 <TD[work]> 50.05999999 ?
813 2011-04-27 13:41:11 <TD[work]> is that tonal at work ?
814 2011-04-27 13:41:19 <luke-jr> TD[work]: no, see the other output :P
815 2011-04-27 13:41:28 <TD[work]> right, a tiny amount
816 2011-04-27 13:41:51 <luke-jr> my CreateBlock executes a shell command which tells it how to distribute generation
817 2011-04-27 13:42:02 <luke-jr> my test script just gave 1 unit to a specific address
818 2011-04-27 13:43:34 <gavinandresen> luke-jr:  very nice, although your users might be upset if they end up with micro-bitcoins that they have to pay transaction fees to spend.
819 2011-04-27 13:43:40 <gavinandresen> (do you have minimum payouts?)
820 2011-04-27 13:43:57 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: I plan to not have minimum payouts, to discourage CPU miners.
821 2011-04-27 13:45:53 <luke-jr> although I suppose when it grows to >50 GPUs it will be just as problematic
822 2011-04-27 14:02:07 <devrandom> gavinandresen - you said "I can get a cheap linux netbook to run VMs to build..." Is this because you wanted VTx?
823 2011-04-27 14:02:39 <gavinandresen> what is VTx?
824 2011-04-27 14:03:09 <devrandom> cpu hardware virtualization
825 2011-04-27 14:03:13 <devrandom> I might be misspelling it
826 2011-04-27 14:03:27 <gavinandresen> I just figured it would be easier to get VMs running under Linux on a netbook than on my Mac
827 2011-04-27 14:03:46 <TD[work]> hmm, VMs take a lot of memory/cpu ...
828 2011-04-27 14:04:05 <devrandom> gotcha
829 2011-04-27 14:04:12 <xxxxxxx> i run vmware on my mbpro
830 2011-04-27 14:04:19 <devrandom> you probably want at least 2GB of ram
831 2011-04-27 14:04:37 <xxxxxxx> ubuntu vm as my main os
832 2011-04-27 14:04:51 <devrandom> and if you want hw virtualization, you'll need support from both the cpu and the bios
833 2011-04-27 14:05:38 <gavinandresen> If I decide to buy hardware to run VMs, I'll be sure to ask y'alls advice.  I don't keep track of hardware stuff.
834 2011-04-27 14:06:08 <devrandom> I should add support for VirtualBox, where cpu virt is optional
835 2011-04-27 14:06:18 <devrandom> qemu might also work ok
836 2011-04-27 14:12:16 <xxxxxxx> btw vbox perf blows compared to vmware
837 2011-04-27 14:14:15 <devrandom> xxxxxxx - does qemu run under vmware?
838 2011-04-27 14:14:35 <xxxxxxx> devrandom, dunno...
839 2011-04-27 14:14:47 <xxxxxxx> i belive u cannot do nested vmwares in vmware, so maybe same for qemu ?
840 2011-04-27 14:15:00 <xxxxxxx> or maybe u can do nested qemu w/o hw virt
841 2011-04-27 14:15:22 <devrandom> I believe the plain qemu doesn't require any hardware support, so it works nested