1 2011-04-29 00:07:14 <B0g4r7> "the dollar isnt dying its merely taking a rest"
  2 2011-04-29 00:07:16 <B0g4r7> lol
  3 2011-04-29 00:09:18 <jrabbit> goddamn btc hit 2.65?
  4 2011-04-29 00:25:02 <aninoni> ;;bc,mtgox
  5 2011-04-29 00:25:02 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":2.65,"low":1.66,"vol":91412,"buy":2.212,"sell":2.2815,"last":2.2815}}
  6 2011-04-29 00:25:22 <B0g4r7> That's nice volume.
  7 2011-04-29 00:25:29 <B0g4r7> I wish that was shown in the charts.
  8 2011-04-29 00:27:12 <lulzplzkthx> HOLY FUCK
  9 2011-04-29 00:27:15 <lulzplzkthx> We hit 2.3?
 10 2011-04-29 00:27:19 <lulzplzkthx> I didn't even know we hit 2.
 11 2011-04-29 00:27:51 <witten> try 2.6
 12 2011-04-29 00:27:57 <lulzplzkthx> O.O wow
 13 2011-04-29 00:28:04 <lulzplzkthx> Where's the link to the chart again?
 14 2011-04-29 00:28:18 <witten> https://mtgox.com/ has one
 15 2011-04-29 00:28:24 <B0g4r7> I have the chart embedded as a webclipping in my OS X Dashboard.
 16 2011-04-29 00:28:29 <lulzplzkthx> thanks
 17 2011-04-29 00:28:30 <witten> http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/mtgoxUSD.html is another
 18 2011-04-29 00:28:37 <FellowTraveler> Hi Bitcoin dev.  I'm trying to make some RPC calls to the local Bitcoin server on my machine
 19 2011-04-29 00:28:45 <FellowTraveler> I realized the local server wasn't running, so I ran it
 20 2011-04-29 00:28:50 <FellowTraveler> then it crashed while starting up
 21 2011-04-29 00:28:53 <lulzplzkthx> So this all happened in like 6 hours?
 22 2011-04-29 00:28:58 <lulzplzkthx> FellowTraveler: Error message?
 23 2011-04-29 00:29:11 <B0g4r7> It's a volatile market.
 24 2011-04-29 00:29:28 <lulzplzkthx> B0g4r7: lol, i understand that but we were at like 1.7 for what, a week?
 25 2011-04-29 00:29:30 <B0g4r7> What OS are you running it on?
 26 2011-04-29 00:29:41 <FellowTraveler> There's no error message in the terminal log, but I have a "problem report" on the screen from Mac OS X
 27 2011-04-29 00:29:50 <FellowTraveler> I ran like this: open ./Bitcoin.app --args -server
 28 2011-04-29 00:30:19 <B0g4r7> I run using ./Bitcoin.all/Contents/MacOS/Bitcoin -foo -bar
 29 2011-04-29 00:30:23 <B0g4r7> .app
 30 2011-04-29 00:30:26 <lulzplzkthx> Sorry, I don't know when it comes to Mac OS X
 31 2011-04-29 00:30:53 <JackRabiit> lol i would break Any free mac rather than sell it for money
 32 2011-04-29 00:31:00 <B0g4r7> Well, I did until I put server=1 into bitcoin.conf.  Now I just launch it from the gui since I don't need any args.
 33 2011-04-29 00:35:03 <LobsterMan> ;;bc,stats
 34 2011-04-29 00:35:05 <gribble> Current Blocks: 120759 | Current Difficulty: 92347.59095209 | Next Difficulty At Block: 120959 | Next Difficulty In: 200 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 2 hours, 50 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 108036.97137394
 35 2011-04-29 00:45:59 <vorlov> i was wodnering the same
 36 2011-04-29 00:46:06 <vorlov> is there a way to run bitcoin headless in mac
 37 2011-04-29 00:46:07 <vorlov> ?
 38 2011-04-29 00:47:24 <vorlov> Fellowtraveler: are u still looking for help?
 39 2011-04-29 00:47:32 <FellowTraveler> hi vorlov
 40 2011-04-29 00:47:51 <FellowTraveler> Right now I'm setting up a bitcoin.conf with rpc user and password, and with server =1
 41 2011-04-29 00:48:10 <FellowTraveler> and adding user/password to GUI for Bitcoin rpc
 42 2011-04-29 00:48:11 <FellowTraveler> will that do it?
 43 2011-04-29 00:50:06 <vorlov> im not sure but i can tell u how to start it up and u tell me if it does what u wanted it to
 44 2011-04-29 00:50:21 <B0g4r7> headless?
 45 2011-04-29 00:50:38 <B0g4r7> You can ssh into an OS X machine and start it from the shell.
 46 2011-04-29 00:50:50 <B0g4r7> If that's what you mean.
 47 2011-04-29 00:51:42 <vorlov> b0g4r7 when i start it from terminal with -server -daemon options
 48 2011-04-29 00:51:45 <vorlov> it says starting server
 49 2011-04-29 00:51:51 <vorlov> but the icon still comes up on the dock
 50 2011-04-29 00:51:56 <vorlov> is there a way to not have that happen?
 51 2011-04-29 00:52:38 <B0g4r7> You can add Bitcoin to your Login Items, ans check the "hidden" box.
 52 2011-04-29 00:54:21 <FellowTraveler> I'm on a a Mac and I just want to start up Bitcoin in server mode so I can talk to it with XmlRpc
 53 2011-04-29 00:54:28 <FellowTraveler> please tell me exactly what you would type at the command line to do that
 54 2011-04-29 00:54:33 <FellowTraveler> and exactly what you would set up first in the conf file
 55 2011-04-29 00:54:41 <FellowTraveler> and I will do it and soon have this OT GUI integrated with BITC
 56 2011-04-29 00:54:49 <FellowTraveler> brb girlfriend making me go walk dog with her
 57 2011-04-29 00:54:58 <witten> priorities, man
 58 2011-04-29 00:55:09 <vorlov> oh really?
 59 2011-04-29 00:55:34 <doublec> FellowTraveler: is there not a bitcoind for the mac?
 60 2011-04-29 00:57:52 <B0g4r7> Ignore what I said above about Login Items.  That won't work.
 61 2011-04-29 01:02:46 <B0g4r7> http://www.bitcoin.org/wiki/doku.php?id=running_bitcoin#sample_bitcoinconf
 62 2011-04-29 01:03:55 <B0g4r7> -daemon is probably the arg you want to run without the UI.
 63 2011-04-29 01:04:09 <B0g4r7> (vorlov)
 64 2011-04-29 01:04:22 <vorlov> i did daemon
 65 2011-04-29 01:04:27 <vorlov> but it still showed up on dock
 66 2011-04-29 01:04:35 <vorlov> i did -server -daemon
 67 2011-04-29 01:04:45 <B0g4r7> doh
 68 2011-04-29 01:04:59 <B0g4r7> Why do you not want it in the dock?
 69 2011-04-29 01:05:23 <B0g4r7> You could set up a different user account and run bitcoin in that session if you want it out of the way.
 70 2011-04-29 01:05:31 <nanotube> FellowTraveler: just run the 'bitcoind' binary with '-server' option. unless they do something different on a mac...
 71 2011-04-29 01:06:45 <B0g4r7> You know, using that Fast User Switching thing.
 72 2011-04-29 01:47:58 <semarjt> does bitcoind have -paytxfee=.01 by default?
 73 2011-04-29 01:50:56 <vorlov> can someone please explain to me how do blocks become invalid?
 74 2011-04-29 01:51:04 <vorlov> and what does it mean for the transactions that were recorded in them
 75 2011-04-29 02:13:12 <nanotube> semarjt: not by default, i don't think. but you can check with 'bitcoind getinfo'
 76 2011-04-29 02:20:58 <JFK911> okay, i patched my client to send negative transaction fees.
 77 2011-04-29 02:21:01 <JFK911> let's see how this works out.
 78 2011-04-29 02:21:18 <JFK911> hope the rest of bitcoin world can handle twos complement
 79 2011-04-29 02:24:52 <dirtyfilthy> negative transaction fees?
 80 2011-04-29 02:30:32 <B0g4r7> heh
 81 2011-04-29 02:30:55 <B0g4r7> How large of a negative are you testing with?
 82 2011-04-29 02:32:32 <semarjt> its just hat i have this transaction:http://pastebin.com/BDz4tW6H shows a fee, is it under a threshold or something?
 83 2011-04-29 02:32:43 <semarjt> (this is sent from the rpc
 84 2011-04-29 02:32:45 <semarjt> )
 85 2011-04-29 02:32:58 <semarjt> http://pastebin.com/BDz4tW6H
 86 2011-04-29 02:36:41 <vorlov> what is the parameter put in getdata command
 87 2011-04-29 02:36:47 <vorlov> i meant to say getwork
 88 2011-04-29 02:37:11 <semarjt> vorlov are you talking to me?
 89 2011-04-29 02:37:21 <vorlov> im talking to everyone
 90 2011-04-29 02:37:31 <vorlov> if you could help me semarjt, i'd appreciate it :)
 91 2011-04-29 02:37:48 <semarjt> wish I could
 92 2011-04-29 02:37:53 <vorlov> heheh ok
 93 2011-04-29 02:40:37 <sacarlson> I'm getting more people asking to buy parts of the weeds chain but they want the client to run on windows.  how hard is it to compile bitcoind in windows?
 94 2011-04-29 02:42:31 <sacarlson> I've only ever compiled on linux ubuntu
 95 2011-04-29 02:43:42 <sacarlson> if it was compiled for windows how could you verify that the program has not been manipulated?
 96 2011-04-29 02:45:04 <sacarlson> if it was compiled on two different computer would the md5sum come out to be the same with the same code?
 97 2011-04-29 02:48:12 <semarjt> id just get it here for windoze http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Bitcoin/bitcoin-0.3.21/
 98 2011-04-29 02:52:28 <sacarlson> semarjt: that's not the multi chain addition I need
 99 2011-04-29 02:53:06 <sacarlson> I need this versions bitcoind in windows https://github.com/sacarlson/bitcoin
100 2011-04-29 02:54:21 <gjs278> the 3 pin fan I bought so long ago and thought I would never use just came in handy
101 2011-04-29 02:54:28 <gjs278> currently sitting on the back of a 5970 to blow heat away
102 2011-04-29 02:54:52 <gjs278> 74 cfm and ridiculously loud, but I sure as hell can't hear it under the sound of my gpu fan
103 2011-04-29 02:55:59 <sacarlson> is there a gnu compiler for windows with access to the libs I need to compile it?
104 2011-04-29 02:56:01 <ninjaneo> greetings
105 2011-04-29 02:56:35 <ninjaneo> I am new to bitcoin, but you might try cygwin or msys
106 2011-04-29 02:56:59 <sacarlson> ninjaneo: that sounds like a good idea
107 2011-04-29 02:57:06 <gjs278> mingw32
108 2011-04-29 02:57:10 <ninjaneo> ^
109 2011-04-29 02:57:34 <gjs278> it's a messy process though
110 2011-04-29 02:57:44 <gjs278> search for some guy posting a 100 coin bounty on the process, every detail si there
111 2011-04-29 02:57:55 <ninjaneo> lol
112 2011-04-29 02:58:07 <sacarlson> gjs278: would cygwin be a better alternative,  don't I still have to recompile to run it on cygwin?
113 2011-04-29 02:58:32 <gjs278> I don't think you ahve to use cygwin
114 2011-04-29 02:58:35 <ninjaneo> does anyone know why the 000 prefix is sought out?
115 2011-04-29 02:59:37 <ninjaneo> the ming environment is nicer imo
116 2011-04-29 02:59:47 <sacarlson> gjs278: ok I'll take a look at minggw32 then thanks
117 2011-04-29 03:00:26 <sacarlson> can I still use the spesmilo in windows?  so I wouldn't have to compile the gui part?
118 2011-04-29 03:00:42 <ninjaneo> did the pre built executable not work for you?
119 2011-04-29 03:01:19 <sacarlson> ninjaneo: who me?  yes they worked fine but I'm moving into the multi chain edition https://github.com/sacarlson/bitcoin
120 2011-04-29 03:02:18 <sacarlson> I'm happy just compiling on linux but people that want to join want windows interface
121 2011-04-29 03:02:26 <ninjaneo> ah I see
122 2011-04-29 03:03:27 <sacarlson> there not techies they just have lots of money to spend
123 2011-04-29 03:03:47 <ninjaneo> do you have the linux binary handy?
124 2011-04-29 03:04:15 <ninjaneo> you can get an idea of what dependencies would be required, by doing ldd /path/to/the/binary
125 2011-04-29 03:04:57 <sacarlson> ninjaneo: yes I have my version of the binary why?
126 2011-04-29 03:05:38 <sacarlson> yes but where do i get those libs in windows,  I"ve never programed in that envirnment
127 2011-04-29 03:06:10 <ninjaneo> when you install ming if i remember right it has like checkboxes for lots of common libraries people have already ported over
128 2011-04-29 03:06:29 <sacarlson> I was told minggw32 so I'll try write a hellow world on that to see if it is at all posible
129 2011-04-29 03:06:39 <sacarlson> I don't even have a window machine anymore
130 2011-04-29 03:07:02 <ninjaneo> lol, you could do something horrendous like install wine
131 2011-04-29 03:07:05 <ninjaneo> to emulate windows
132 2011-04-29 03:07:08 <ninjaneo> to emulate linux
133 2011-04-29 03:07:23 <ninjaneo> er emulating linux
134 2011-04-29 03:07:33 <sacarlson> ninjaneo: wow that's a thought
135 2011-04-29 03:08:02 <sacarlson> but I have a virtualbox image that will bot an old black edition of xp
136 2011-04-29 03:08:21 <ninjaneo> ah, you could setup dual booting
137 2011-04-29 03:08:21 <sacarlson> it must have about 5000 trojans in it
138 2011-04-29 03:08:25 <ninjaneo> lol
139 2011-04-29 03:08:49 <ninjaneo> yes, i slipstream my own xp copies from a source that checks against the MSDN library
140 2011-04-29 03:09:22 <ninjaneo> "black edition" sounds loaded ;p
141 2011-04-29 03:09:28 <sacarlson> so that's why I was thinking to at least verify that my own released edition was clean that someone else compile with minggw and verify the md5sum was the same
142 2011-04-29 03:09:47 <ninjaneo> oh, well, that wouldn't matter
143 2011-04-29 03:10:02 <sacarlson> ninjaneo: well I'm told even the windows you get direct from microsoft has CIA holes in it
144 2011-04-29 03:10:22 <ninjaneo> that is 100% true
145 2011-04-29 03:10:24 <ninjaneo> advapi.dll
146 2011-04-29 03:10:38 <ninjaneo> it might compile the program in the same fashion, but that doesn't mean your computer, loaded with trojans, won't be able to get at your bit coins
147 2011-04-29 03:11:08 <ninjaneo> but then again, it was recently discovered that OpenBSD was paid off by the FBI
148 2011-04-29 03:11:10 <sacarlson> ninjaneo: so how do I provide a secure system to these none teches to work with?
149 2011-04-29 03:11:16 <ninjaneo> to incorporate holes in IPSEC ;p
150 2011-04-29 03:12:05 <sacarlson> ninjaneo: then maybe I should start looking at the code in my linked libs also
151 2011-04-29 03:12:09 <ninjaneo> best thing to do is start with a known-to-be-clean copy of the xp. Set them up with auto updating virus protection
152 2011-04-29 03:12:47 <ninjaneo> yes, if you have the time, i would recommend it, I am constantly installing updates
153 2011-04-29 03:13:00 <ninjaneo> if someone slipped something into the archlinux community i'd be fucked
154 2011-04-29 03:13:12 <sacarlson> ninjaneo: I have a clean enuf xp boot that has no trafic coming out of it when I monitor network so I guess I would have to call that the cleanest I have
155 2011-04-29 03:13:59 <ninjaneo> well I guess you can't ever be to sure though ;p
156 2011-04-29 03:14:18 <ninjaneo> might not have phoned home while you were listening
157 2011-04-29 03:14:25 <ninjaneo> or something
158 2011-04-29 03:14:35 <sacarlson> ninjaneo: in linux I use tripwire to monitor changes
159 2011-04-29 03:14:43 <ninjaneo> nice
160 2011-04-29 03:15:14 <sacarlson> ninjaneo: that's true I only monitored it for a day
161 2011-04-29 03:15:27 <sacarlson> maybe it only phones home 1 per month
162 2011-04-29 03:15:57 <ninjaneo> yeah, but the crappy viruses I see these days all give themselves away, popups, etc
163 2011-04-29 03:16:05 <ninjaneo> so you're probably ok
164 2011-04-29 03:16:16 <ninjaneo> do you know why we seek out 000prefix?
165 2011-04-29 03:16:21 <sacarlson> no
166 2011-04-29 03:16:31 <sacarlson> 000?
167 2011-04-29 03:16:41 <ninjaneo> idk I'm new to bit coins entirely
168 2011-04-29 03:17:04 <ninjaneo> but I was under the impression that it had something to do with finding hashes that started with 000
169 2011-04-29 03:17:07 <nanotube> ninjaneo: it's just a way to create the difficulty of finding a block.
170 2011-04-29 03:17:17 <nanotube> it might as well have been finding a hash that ends with 0's
171 2011-04-29 03:17:20 <ninjaneo> so 001 would have been just as difficult
172 2011-04-29 03:17:21 <nanotube> or starts with a string of 2's
173 2011-04-29 03:17:32 <ninjaneo> ok
174 2011-04-29 03:17:50 <ninjaneo> just wondering if there was something specific about those bits related to the hash function
175 2011-04-29 03:17:58 <nanotube> it's not just about the zeros - what it really does is set some numeric threshold, below which the hash has to be.
176 2011-04-29 03:18:09 <nanotube> this basically 'cuts' the hash space into 'good' and 'bad' sides
177 2011-04-29 03:18:10 <FellowTraveler> Hello adding BTC to Moneychanger GUI. Any BTC experts on the RPC protocol please message me.
178 2011-04-29 03:18:10 <ninjaneo> like they were involved in some type of initialization vector or something that could be used cryptographically
179 2011-04-29 03:18:27 <nanotube> depending on how large the good vs bad sides are, the likelihood that any given hash is good changes
180 2011-04-29 03:18:42 <ninjaneo> ok
181 2011-04-29 03:18:46 <nanotube> FellowTraveler: have you seen the wiki about the rpc proto?
182 2011-04-29 03:18:57 <midnightmagic> ninjaneo: we're looking for hashes less than that value because only a certain number of hashes will be so, and since solution distribution is (supposed to be) random, then we'll be less likely to find a solution under that hash as we search.
183 2011-04-29 03:19:39 <luke-jr> as a result, the block hashes are highly compressable
184 2011-04-29 03:19:41 <luke-jr> <.<
185 2011-04-29 03:19:45 <midnightmagic> ninjaneo: there's no evidence of a secret underlying problem we're "actually" solving by doing this, except perhaps giving the SHA2 digest a really, really good workout.
186 2011-04-29 03:19:51 <ninjaneo> because more will be 'claimed'
187 2011-04-29 03:19:53 <luke-jr> and clearly distinguished from (most) addresses
188 2011-04-29 03:20:23 <midnightmagic> ;;bc,mtgox
189 2011-04-29 03:20:24 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":2.65,"low":1.67,"vol":72980,"buy":2.3,"sell":2.3215,"last":2.2301}}
190 2011-04-29 03:20:27 <midnightmagic> whoah.
191 2011-04-29 03:20:27 <ninjaneo> yeah I was wondering if maybe somehow the transactions could constitute some big collection of "rainbow tables" for attacking sha2 or some type of conspiracy of that matter
192 2011-04-29 03:20:35 <midnightmagic> wtf?
193 2011-04-29 03:20:51 <midnightmagic> stop fucking around with the market, art! people will think we're a ponzi scheme
194 2011-04-29 03:21:01 <ninjaneo> lol
195 2011-04-29 03:21:06 <MBS> lol
196 2011-04-29 03:21:10 <MBS> you mean it isnt one?
197 2011-04-29 03:21:13 <ninjaneo> ;p
198 2011-04-29 03:21:15 <gjs278> everytime we hit an new all time high I dump my coins
199 2011-04-29 03:21:39 <ninjaneo> i want a coin
200 2011-04-29 03:21:40 <ninjaneo> lol
201 2011-04-29 03:21:41 <midnightmagic> gjs hold some back, it's a huge psychological help.
202 2011-04-29 03:21:49 <midnightmagic> ninjaneo: I can give you a coin. give me an address.
203 2011-04-29 03:21:54 <gjs278> I sold 125 and 1.95  Ihave no regret
204 2011-04-29 03:22:25 <ninjaneo> I'm brand new, but I have bitcoind running. would strings ./bitcoin/wallet.dat show my address
205 2011-04-29 03:22:32 <ninjaneo> i dont understand how to do a transaction ;p
206 2011-04-29 03:22:38 <midnightmagic> ninjaneo: are you running the command-line or the gui?
207 2011-04-29 03:22:43 <ninjaneo> cli
208 2011-04-29 03:22:56 <gjs278> just use the gui
209 2011-04-29 03:22:57 <midnightmagic> so, run: bitcoind getinfo and tell me if it tells you anything.
210 2011-04-29 03:22:58 <MBS> do "bitcoind help"
211 2011-04-29 03:23:23 <ninjaneo> er I'd have to install the wx deps, but i will, on gentoo its going to take a couple minutes
212 2011-04-29 03:23:27 <ninjaneo> ... at least =x
213 2011-04-29 03:23:40 <gjs278> I'll try it now
214 2011-04-29 03:23:50 <midnightmagic> no, if you've already got the cli up and it's running, don't worry about the gui. you can't run them both at the same time anyway.
215 2011-04-29 03:24:29 <midnightmagic> jesus, it jumped a dollar.. just incredible.
216 2011-04-29 03:27:45 <ninjaneo> hm gethashespersec is 0
217 2011-04-29 03:27:51 <midnightmagic> ignore that.
218 2011-04-29 03:29:27 <ninjaneo> hm, well I see 0.0.0.0:8333 so I guess its accepting connections
219 2011-04-29 03:29:34 <midnightmagic> so, now think of a good name for a new account to receive coins at and run: bitcoind getnewaddress someAccountName  <-- where "someAccountName" is replaced with whatever you want. something clever, you can never, ever get rid of it.
220 2011-04-29 03:30:39 <ninjaneo> should it be long and obscure?
221 2011-04-29 03:30:45 <ninjaneo> or rememberable
222 2011-04-29 03:30:48 <midnightmagic> no, it's a placeholder. make it short and memorable
223 2011-04-29 03:30:53 <ninjaneo> k
224 2011-04-29 03:31:04 <midnightmagic> like "vikings" or "longship" or something.
225 2011-04-29 03:31:29 <midnightmagic> the *result* of that command will be a hex string. that's an address that I can send coins to.
226 2011-04-29 03:31:46 <midnightmagic> cut & paste it here. and then never use it for anything else ever, okay? always get new addresses, they're free.
227 2011-04-29 03:31:58 <ninjaneo> hm so it makes some type of self signed certificate/hash I guess?
228 2011-04-29 03:32:21 <ninjaneo> oh
229 2011-04-29 03:32:24 <midnightmagic> just pulls a keypair out of its ass, actually, and gives you the public one you can give to other people.
230 2011-04-29 03:32:57 <ninjaneo> hm, and can i continue to use that accountname?
231 2011-04-29 03:33:03 <midnightmagic> if you ever use this address you're about to give to me for anything else, people will know who it is.
232 2011-04-29 03:33:06 <midnightmagic> yes absolutely.
233 2011-04-29 03:33:17 <midnightmagic> an account can have all kinds of addresses associated with it.
234 2011-04-29 03:33:34 <ninjaneo> interesting i think im starting to get it a little better now
235 2011-04-29 03:34:18 <midnightmagic> just don't feel stupid if you try to do some things and it refuses to. some things really can't be done. yet.
236 2011-04-29 03:35:19 <ninjaneo> i just discovered bit coins today, i intend to dive into the source myself heh. I'm good with python etc... Though I've read its all about GPU now ;p
237 2011-04-29 03:35:52 <midnightmagic> bitcoind it written in C++; but yeah, it's pretty much GPU now. CPU is basically pointless. unfortunately.
238 2011-04-29 03:35:54 <luke-jr> ninjaneo: check out spesmilo
239 2011-04-29 03:36:09 <ninjaneo> its good at diverse tasks ;p
240 2011-04-29 03:36:11 <ninjaneo> (cpu)
241 2011-04-29 03:36:25 <midnightmagic> the amusing part is that one medium-range mining rig is about half the speed of an entire university's high-energy physics grid computing cluster (if they were both mining)
242 2011-04-29 03:36:27 <midnightmagic> brutal
243 2011-04-29 03:36:30 <ninjaneo> i have grand ideas of coin-mining hardware
244 2011-04-29 03:37:03 <midnightmagic> well, it would be a fun thing to do for a hobby. :)
245 2011-04-29 03:37:17 <ninjaneo> yeah cool application of crypto
246 2011-04-29 03:37:38 <ninjaneo> and im starting to get into embedded devices. I programmed my first attiny85, woot
247 2011-04-29 03:38:00 <midnightmagic> atmel microcontrollers rock. their timing is so precise, they can be used to hack other hardware!
248 2011-04-29 03:38:15 <ninjaneo> yeah i am in love lol
249 2011-04-29 03:38:24 <ninjaneo> I made a software based pulse width modulator
250 2011-04-29 03:38:33 <ninjaneo> using the lbuilt in timer  heh
251 2011-04-29 03:38:43 <midnightmagic> the 90S2313 was pretty badass. I love Atmel.
252 2011-04-29 03:38:46 <ninjaneo> it makes pretty colors
253 2011-04-29 03:42:16 <midnightmagic> oh it's not instantly returning?
254 2011-04-29 03:42:49 <midnightmagic> you must not have started it up that long ago
255 2011-04-29 03:43:07 <ninjaneo> no not long at all lol
256 2011-04-29 03:43:21 <midnightmagic> it's probably downloading the block chain. it'll be a while if that's the case. no worries, just PM me with the address after the block chain is downloaded.
257 2011-04-29 03:43:28 <ninjaneo> is it doing some initial state stuff?
258 2011-04-29 03:43:32 <ninjaneo> ah
259 2011-04-29 03:43:45 <midnightmagic> when you run bitcoind getinfo, what does "blocks" say?
260 2011-04-29 03:43:46 <ninjaneo> it did say something about downloading blocks in the getinfo
261 2011-04-29 03:44:49 <nanotube> there's a blockchain snapshot on sourceforge frs. if you want to save some time
262 2011-04-29 03:45:20 <ninjaneo> ill go see if i cant grab it
263 2011-04-29 03:45:58 <ninjaneo> http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Bitcoin/blockchain/bitcoin_blockchain_120000.zip/download
264 2011-04-29 03:46:26 <ninjaneo> ~128mb or so
265 2011-04-29 03:46:39 <ninjaneo> 158 rather
266 2011-04-29 03:49:32 <midnightmagic> don't forget to stop your bitcoind prior to installing this zip file, BTW.
267 2011-04-29 03:49:38 <midnightmagic> er..  the contents of the zip file.
268 2011-04-29 03:49:41 <ninjaneo> ;)
269 2011-04-29 03:49:53 <ninjaneo> yeah i killed it, figured it was using up some bw
270 2011-04-29 03:50:21 <midnightmagic> not a lot, really, and it's pretty spread out. your torrents will stay fast while bitcoind is running, honest. :)
271 2011-04-29 03:51:22 <ninjaneo> aye
272 2011-04-29 03:51:40 <ninjaneo> sourceforge copy is almost done =)
273 2011-04-29 03:55:18 <ninjaneo> woot
274 2011-04-29 03:55:22 <ninjaneo> 1Akt9uWovUV9K9mGdFHPDmLHnFWTjXPBvL
275 2011-04-29 03:56:31 <midnightmagic> txn: 853217edad22afa837125eb9d725b1bff3265d571de34ef6f8314798131039ae
276 2011-04-29 03:56:47 <midnightmagic> there you go dude. have fun!
277 2011-04-29 03:56:58 <ninjaneo> =o how do I see it
278 2011-04-29 03:58:19 <midnightmagic> hrm..  well, look in the .bitcoin/debug.log and look for the string 853217edad22afa83712. i think you should be able to see it there.
279 2011-04-29 03:58:47 <midnightmagic> or look here: http://blockexplorer.com/tx/853217edad22afa837125eb9d725b1bff3265d571de34ef6f8314798131039ae
280 2011-04-29 03:58:53 <noagendamarket> are there any ubuntu repositories aout yet ?
281 2011-04-29 03:58:57 <ninjaneo> oh, does it communicate via irc?
282 2011-04-29 03:59:10 <midnightmagic> ninjaneo: no, only gets address of bitcoind to talk to from irc.
283 2011-04-29 03:59:18 <ninjaneo> ah
284 2011-04-29 03:59:28 <midnightmagic> you can tell it not to: just kill bitcoind, then restart it with bitcoind -daemon -noirc
285 2011-04-29 03:59:28 <noagendamarket> the only ubuntu repository I found is an old bitcoin version
286 2011-04-29 03:59:44 <ninjaneo> ah interesting, and thus the addpeer/node options
287 2011-04-29 03:59:49 <luke-jr> [01:56:42] <ljrbot> Txn 853217edad22afa837125eb9d725b1bff3265d571de34ef6f8314798131039ae: 1Kx3c6HzZP3BoE8uoPDf1hsnP7qVpS6v5E 40.00 BTC, 1Akt9uWovUV9K9mGdFHPDmLHnFWTjXPBvL 5.00 BTC
288 2011-04-29 04:01:09 <ninjaneo> wow cool stuff
289 2011-04-29 04:01:17 <ninjaneo> thanks btw =)
290 2011-04-29 04:01:21 <midnightmagic> ninjaneo: you're making it very easy to help you, dude. :)
291 2011-04-29 04:01:41 <ninjaneo> lol I may be new to bitcoin but I'm not new to computers ;P
292 2011-04-29 04:01:48 <midnightmagic> also, no problem. try to keep a thick skin: some bitcoiners are right irritating bastards.
293 2011-04-29 04:02:10 <noagendamarket> only the trolls
294 2011-04-29 04:02:12 <ninjaneo> lol
295 2011-04-29 04:02:18 <noagendamarket> :)
296 2011-04-29 04:02:38 <midnightmagic> =]
297 2011-04-29 04:03:25 <luke-jr> noagendamarket: the non-trolls can irritate the trolls too
298 2011-04-29 04:04:21 <noagendamarket> good
299 2011-04-29 04:04:33 <midnightmagic> yeah, good.
300 2011-04-29 04:05:14 <tcatm> could someone try the calculator on http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/mtgoxUSD_depth.html and check if it returns sane results?
301 2011-04-29 04:06:25 <midnightmagic> what's it supposed to do?
302 2011-04-29 04:07:02 <tcatm> calculate how many BTC/USD you can sell/buy from market depth
303 2011-04-29 04:08:27 <midnightmagic> not doing anything for me when i enter in a value and press submit query. perhaps I'm doing something wrong. what should I do? just type a number and click submit right?
304 2011-04-29 04:08:50 <tcatm> yep
305 2011-04-29 04:09:17 <tcatm> oh wait, firefox 3.x?
306 2011-04-29 04:09:54 <tcatm> refresh page, might work now
307 2011-04-29 04:15:59 <ninjaneo> you might check out the google charts api, fewer images to generate on your end =)
308 2011-04-29 04:18:25 <tcatm> I till need to prepare the data
309 2011-04-29 04:18:34 <tcatm> which is a lot more work than rendering an image
310 2011-04-29 04:21:14 <ninjaneo> would anyone get mad if I joined pelican.heliacal.net/#bitcoin?
311 2011-04-29 04:21:18 <ninjaneo> just to see what was going on
312 2011-04-29 04:21:29 <ninjaneo> i would think not...
313 2011-04-29 04:21:56 <tcatm> read the source before you join so you know how to decode the nicknames
314 2011-04-29 04:22:20 <ninjaneo> ah ok =)
315 2011-04-29 04:32:39 <tcatm> 8240kB free memory. I really need a better server
316 2011-04-29 04:34:58 <midnightmagic> nobody would get mad. nobody would even know.
317 2011-04-29 04:35:06 <ninjaneo> strMyName = strprintf("x%u", GetRand(1000000000));
318 2011-04-29 04:35:07 <ninjaneo> =o
319 2011-04-29 04:35:20 <tcatm> is that php?
320 2011-04-29 04:35:29 <ninjaneo> c/cpp
321 2011-04-29 04:35:35 <ninjaneo> but sure looks like php ;P
322 2011-04-29 04:35:40 <midnightmagic> hahaha!
323 2011-04-29 04:36:49 <ninjaneo> so the usernames are just random =o
324 2011-04-29 04:37:18 <tcatm> ah, irc names? no they actually contain useful information
325 2011-04-29 04:37:20 <midnightmagic> yes. it retrieves the IPs from the usermasks in the channel, running "who" on them.
326 2011-04-29 04:38:44 <midnightmagic> it's random if the user address is not routable, or is using a proxy, or the name is already "in use"..
327 2011-04-29 04:39:03 <ninjaneo> ah ok yeah I did see that bit of logic
328 2011-04-29 04:39:20 <midnightmagic> else, it's the user's address. but, since a huge number of people are running through nat, a large chunk are random.
329 2011-04-29 04:39:48 <midnightmagic> looks like the ones with useful info begin with "u" and the randoms with 'x"
330 2011-04-29 04:40:19 <midnightmagic> tcatm looks like the calculator works now.
331 2011-04-29 04:40:24 <ninjaneo> ah hence the x or the u =)
332 2011-04-29 04:40:29 <midnightmagic> and I'm using firefox 3, yes.
333 2011-04-29 04:40:30 <ninjaneo> oh you just said that lol
334 2011-04-29 04:40:37 <tcatm> midnightmagic: great. thx for testing
335 2011-04-29 04:40:40 <ninjaneo> I was jumping around in vim
336 2011-04-29 04:40:58 <midnightmagic> if you're not familiar with cscope, consider giving it a spin
337 2011-04-29 04:41:06 <JFK911> ;;bc,mtgox
338 2011-04-29 04:41:07 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":2.65,"low":1.67,"vol":74855,"buy":2.28,"sell":2.35,"last":2.35}}
339 2011-04-29 04:41:23 <ninjaneo> i'll take a look at it
340 2011-04-29 04:43:13 <ninjaneo> ah =) struct ircaddr tmp;
341 2011-04-29 04:43:35 <midnightmagic> ninjaneo: welcome to bitcoin. it can really suck you in. be warned!
342 2011-04-29 04:43:43 <midnightmagic> MUAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
343 2011-04-29 04:43:44 <midnightmagic> j/k
344 2011-04-29 04:44:04 <ninjaneo> =D
345 2011-04-29 04:47:26 <midnightmagic> demand totally outstripping supply.. sheesh. damn speculums.
346 2011-04-29 04:48:46 <ninjaneo> mussstt mineee bittttcoinnnss
347 2011-04-29 04:48:47 <ninjaneo> lol
348 2011-04-29 04:57:38 <sacarlson> tcatm: seems the data is not the same as what I see presently on mtgox but I guess the calc is about right
349 2011-04-29 04:58:22 <sacarlson> tcatm: how often is the data updated?
350 2011-04-29 04:58:35 <tcatm> every 10s
351 2011-04-29 04:58:50 <sacarlson> tcatm: ok I'll try refresh and see if I see a change
352 2011-04-29 05:00:43 <chmod755> hi @all. who's the owner of weusecoins.com ?
353 2011-04-29 05:00:43 <sacarlson> tcatm: ya now I see it changing looks good
354 2011-04-29 05:02:39 <khalahan_> ;;bc,mtgox
355 2011-04-29 05:02:40 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":2.65,"low":1.681,"vol":73211,"buy":2.2501,"sell":2.3498,"last":2.25}}
356 2011-04-29 05:03:00 <sacarlson> tcatm: good view you can see form that we have much more buyers than sellers at any price
357 2011-04-29 05:04:33 <sacarlson> so I guess when the sellers out number buyers will be the right time to buy
358 2011-04-29 05:05:39 <midnightmagic> that happened a long time ago..
359 2011-04-29 05:05:47 <midnightmagic> well..  a couple of months.
360 2011-04-29 05:06:05 <midnightmagic> if you look back in the irc logs, anytime I say "top heavy" the market was exactly that.
361 2011-04-29 05:07:15 <ninjaneo> lol
362 2011-04-29 05:10:02 <JFK911> ;;bc,stats
363 2011-04-29 05:10:04 <gribble> Current Blocks: 120798 | Current Difficulty: 92347.59095209 | Next Difficulty At Block: 120959 | Next Difficulty In: 161 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 21 hours, 30 minutes, and 41 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 108511.91915108
364 2011-04-29 05:54:38 <sacarlson> I'm at my record block in my chain now at 311
365 2011-04-29 05:55:19 <chmod755> ;;bc,blocks
366 2011-04-29 05:55:20 <gribble> 120803
367 2011-04-29 05:56:41 <ersi> chmod755: 'whois weusecoins.com' xD
368 2011-04-29 05:57:06 <chmod755> ersi: yup, I already did that :D
369 2011-04-29 05:57:19 <sacarlson> ersi:  fname:             Stefan
370 2011-04-29 06:04:58 <Keefe> uh, anyone know if there's a secret switch to get around the latest windows binary telling me i have to pay a 0.01 btc fee to send 10 btc from a coin received 2 blocks ago?
371 2011-04-29 06:05:01 <Keefe> the client telling me what i can and can't do... not cool
372 2011-04-29 06:05:04 <Keefe> i know what i'm doing, and i'm willing to wait as long as it takes for this txn to get published for free
373 2011-04-29 06:05:44 <Keefe> i haven't tried the rpc interface yet
374 2011-04-29 06:08:25 <sacarlson> ok now I need accounts how do I create one in bitcoind ?
375 2011-04-29 06:09:00 <lfm> Keefe: no switch, just go back to prev version
376 2011-04-29 06:09:01 <sacarlson> getreceivedbyaccount does that create it?
377 2011-04-29 06:09:57 <sacarlson> oh or maybe getnewaddress [account] creates the account
378 2011-04-29 06:09:59 <Keefe> lfm: do you know the criteria off hand? if i just wait a few more blocks will it allow me to attempt a free txn?
379 2011-04-29 06:10:57 <sacarlson> Keefe: seems on my chain the transaction if free as long as I only send one transaction in a block that takes about 10 - 20 minits
380 2011-04-29 06:11:38 <Keefe> sacarlson: are you using the latest windows binary?
381 2011-04-29 06:11:50 <sacarlson> no I'm using the later git version
382 2011-04-29 06:11:52 <Keefe> 0.3.21 from bitcoin.org main page
383 2011-04-29 06:12:23 <Keefe> let's see if there's already a patch for this "feature"...
384 2011-04-29 06:13:08 <Keefe> it should be only a warning, not a hard forced limit
385 2011-04-29 06:13:34 <Keefe> or this is just asking for a fork
386 2011-04-29 06:14:39 <sacarlson> ok I figured out my question when you getnewaddress accountname   will create a new accoun
387 2011-04-29 06:15:39 <sacarlson> so I geuss I have to send money to myself?  I never tried that
388 2011-04-29 06:17:56 <Keefe> kinda makes sense that you'd have to send from one account to another
389 2011-04-29 06:18:28 <Keefe> damn, no patch on github to make that txn fee optional again
390 2011-04-29 06:18:42 <Keefe> guess i really do have to downgrade
391 2011-04-29 06:19:35 <sacarlson> Keefe: no I found you can move "" test 20  to move from base account to a test account
392 2011-04-29 06:27:43 <netxshare> so I just sat down and moved my mouse and my computer started to make this high pitch noise
393 2011-04-29 06:27:56 <netxshare> but only happens when I run both of my gpus on the 6990
394 2011-04-29 06:28:28 <lfm> netxshare: are you overclockong them?
395 2011-04-29 06:30:16 <netxshare> just the default overclock switch
396 2011-04-29 06:30:21 <netxshare> with a downclock the memory
397 2011-04-29 06:30:22 <netxshare> to 315
398 2011-04-29 06:30:56 <ninjaneo> do you have a crt monitor lol
399 2011-04-29 06:30:58 <netxshare> it has been running fine for hours
400 2011-04-29 06:30:59 <netxshare> no
401 2011-04-29 06:31:01 <ninjaneo> k
402 2011-04-29 06:31:04 <lfm> try speeding the memory up a bit again and see if the sound changes
403 2011-04-29 06:31:04 <netxshare> it's really freaking weird
404 2011-04-29 06:31:08 <netxshare> it sounds like a speaker
405 2011-04-29 06:31:11 <netxshare> on the card
406 2011-04-29 06:31:46 <_ape> the mhz are leaking out :(
407 2011-04-29 06:32:02 <lfm> its a resonance
408 2011-04-29 06:34:51 <netxshare> hrm
409 2011-04-29 06:34:53 <netxshare> still doing it
410 2011-04-29 06:35:03 <netxshare> but once I cose out one miner works fine
411 2011-04-29 06:35:10 <_ape> is the fan speed changing
412 2011-04-29 06:35:32 <netxshare> it was on 100% but I set it to auto to see if it was fan freaking out
413 2011-04-29 06:37:54 <netxshare> hm maybe it's not the card making the noise and it's the psu
414 2011-04-29 06:39:55 <_ape> yeah could be
415 2011-04-29 06:41:19 <netxshare> this would be the second issue with the card
416 2011-04-29 06:41:29 <netxshare> I can't open gpu-z while it understress
417 2011-04-29 06:41:34 <_ape> rma it then
418 2011-04-29 06:41:37 <netxshare> the system locks it
419 2011-04-29 06:41:40 <netxshare> it/up
420 2011-04-29 06:41:48 <netxshare> going to tomorrow morning ill take it back to the store
421 2011-04-29 06:47:09 <ninjaneo> thanks again guys, ill be seeing you around ;)
422 2011-04-29 07:20:12 <berto-> anyone know why the exchange rate exploded last month?
423 2011-04-29 07:20:31 <UukGoblin> because the demand was higher than supply
424 2011-04-29 07:20:40 <lfm> I think it was cuz of NY Times article
425 2011-04-29 07:20:49 <UukGoblin> there was a NY Times article?
426 2011-04-29 07:22:14 <sipa> ttp://techland.time.com/2011/04/16/online-cash-bitcoin-could-challenge-governments/
427 2011-04-29 07:22:22 <lfm> but it could be drug dealers
428 2011-04-29 07:22:33 <BlueMatt> not NY Times, TIME
429 2011-04-29 07:22:44 <BlueMatt> as in the magazine, but the online-only tech section
430 2011-04-29 07:23:14 <lfm> oh ok
431 2011-04-29 07:23:22 <BlueMatt> mostly just because of general increased interest
432 2011-04-29 07:23:27 <UukGoblin> ah, saw this one
433 2011-04-29 07:23:32 <BlueMatt> from many source
434 2011-04-29 07:23:34 <berto-> cool, thanks.
435 2011-04-29 07:23:35 <BlueMatt> s
436 2011-04-29 07:24:24 <BlueMatt> and when the price goes up a bit from media interest, the price spikes from speculators
437 2011-04-29 07:25:03 <edcba> bitcoin is best investment i ever made ! :)
438 2011-04-29 07:25:17 <edcba> electricity in lot of money out ! :)
439 2011-04-29 07:25:41 <lfm> oh how much did you invest?
440 2011-04-29 07:26:04 <berto-> edcba: do you think the current price is the pieak?
441 2011-04-29 07:26:09 <berto-> peak, rather?
442 2011-04-29 07:26:35 <BlueMatt> berto-: ask around on #bitcoin-otc, that is where all the traders hang out
443 2011-04-29 07:26:46 <berto-> BlueMatt: cool.
444 2011-04-29 07:31:03 <edcba> that really depends on bitcoin adoption anyway
445 2011-04-29 07:31:28 <edcba> and since that fucking thing is anonymous you can't really know who uses it and why
446 2011-04-29 07:32:33 <UukGoblin> ;;bc,stats
447 2011-04-29 07:32:35 <gribble> Current Blocks: 120820 | Current Difficulty: 92347.59095209 | Next Difficulty At Block: 120959 | Next Difficulty In: 139 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 18 hours, 29 minutes, and 41 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 108775.75119035
448 2011-04-29 07:40:03 <theorbtwo> The thing is, it's not actually all that anonymous.
449 2011-04-29 07:40:21 <theorbtwo> It *can* be anonymous, if handled carefully.
450 2011-04-29 07:40:56 <theorbtwo> But the complete transaction log is not only public but widely distributed.  It's just a matter of figuring out enough transactions.
451 2011-04-29 07:41:11 <jargon> The DARPA TTO has requested I do an audit of Bitcoin.
452 2011-04-29 07:41:37 <jargon> There seems to be a massive trend between Anonymous intrusions and bitcoin user pool.
453 2011-04-29 07:42:53 <theorbtwo> TTO?
454 2011-04-29 07:42:56 <mrb_> jargon: nice. you have got the source code, that will be easy
455 2011-04-29 07:43:09 <jargon> http://www.darpa.mil/Our_Work/TTO/
456 2011-04-29 07:43:56 <theorbtwo> Ah, interesting.
457 2011-04-29 07:44:02 <jargon> I notice there is no direct SVN information in the topic.
458 2011-04-29 07:44:20 <BlueMatt> the irc topic?
459 2011-04-29 07:44:22 <theorbtwo> I'm not surprised by the Anonymous thing, but I am surprised that it interests DARPA already.
460 2011-04-29 07:44:42 <jargon> It has interested the TTO since a year back.
461 2011-04-29 07:44:55 <BlueMatt> really? wow
462 2011-04-29 07:45:16 <mrb_> jargon: the repo is at https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin
463 2011-04-29 07:45:33 <jargon> So there is no SVN mirror?
464 2011-04-29 07:45:44 <theorbtwo> I suppose it appears, on the face of it, to be a great way of funneling money to terrorists.
465 2011-04-29 07:45:51 <mrb_> thee devs use git, not SVN
466 2011-04-29 07:45:57 <mrb_> *the
467 2011-04-29 07:46:02 <jargon> That is not why the TTO is interested in Bitcoin.
468 2011-04-29 07:46:16 <jlewis> jargon - why would a DARPA employee be hanging out on IRC at 4:45 am
469 2011-04-29 07:46:48 <theorbtwo> jargon: Can you tell us why the TTO *is* interested?
470 2011-04-29 07:46:49 <jargon> There is a suspected set of middle-man servers that collaborate the data within the Bitcoin network towards distributed intrusions.
471 2011-04-29 07:46:51 <BlueMatt> jargon: sort of, satoshi used svn on sf but it was moved to git
472 2011-04-29 07:46:55 <jlewis> proof or gtfo
473 2011-04-29 07:47:18 <UukGoblin> the svn is only used for releases, it's there somewhere, but the git should have more recent code additions
474 2011-04-29 07:47:23 <jargon> The lack of direct evidence is why the TTO is doing the Audit.
475 2011-04-29 07:48:13 <jargon> (as opposed to the incompetent FBI and NSA)
476 2011-04-29 07:48:14 <UukGoblin> interesting :-)
477 2011-04-29 07:48:33 <BlueMatt> I tend to agree with jlewis
478 2011-04-29 07:49:10 <jargon> Personally, I am a TTO rogue, so this is why I am allowing your developer group to know in advance of completion of the audit.
479 2011-04-29 07:49:10 <jlewis> he's connecting from some random cox ip address - presumably a govt employee wouldn't be surfing irc from his home account at 4 in the morning
480 2011-04-29 07:49:17 <jlewis> ooh a rogue
481 2011-04-29 07:49:38 <BlueMatt> lol ok have fun with that
482 2011-04-29 07:50:06 <theorbtwo> I see no reason that a government employee wouldn't be surfing irc from his home account at 4 in the morning.  I see a lot of reason why he wouldn't identify himself.
483 2011-04-29 07:50:15 <theorbtwo> ...and diss other agencies, as well.
484 2011-04-29 07:50:18 <UukGoblin> I see no reason to be offensive ;-]
485 2011-04-29 07:50:55 <UukGoblin> someone claims he'll do an audit of the code, and you tell him to gtfo? fuck that.
486 2011-04-29 07:51:00 <jargon> Well, personally, the Defense Intelligence Agency never liked the National Security Agency.
487 2011-04-29 07:51:56 <jargon> and the Federal Bureau of Investigation never liked the National Security Agency either,
488 2011-04-29 07:52:04 <theorbtwo> jargon: By all means, you should do a public audit.  We'd love to answer any questions e can.
489 2011-04-29 07:52:11 <jlewis> ok, it wasn't my intent to be offensive, just usually in the real world this is what's known as theater :)
490 2011-04-29 07:52:12 <UukGoblin> I didn't like any of these ;-]
491 2011-04-29 07:52:38 <jlewis> btw
492 2011-04-29 07:52:39 <jlewis> http://pastebin.com/2ADv2FL5
493 2011-04-29 07:52:43 <Tritonio> has anyone used the mt.gox merchant api? I was thinking about making some service and use that for the payments. but I would really like something like paypal's sandbox to test it...
494 2011-04-29 07:52:44 <UukGoblin> jlewis, well, yeah, there's that.
495 2011-04-29 07:53:03 <jargon> Your commit hashes are definately weak.
496 2011-04-29 07:53:20 <jargon> definitely
497 2011-04-29 07:53:46 <jlewis> UukGoblin: that = the pastebin? :)
498 2011-04-29 07:54:01 <jargon> I am no longer on a dark fibre route, so I can't exactly download your entire repo history in one massive grab.
499 2011-04-29 07:54:10 <jlewis> lol
500 2011-04-29 07:54:15 <UukGoblin> jlewis, no, that = "a theatre"
501 2011-04-29 07:54:22 <jlewis> ah
502 2011-04-29 07:54:27 <UukGoblin> just reading the pastebin
503 2011-04-29 07:54:34 <theorbtwo> Er, I doubt it's that big.
504 2011-04-29 07:54:40 <jargon> By entire history, I mean an image of all data between every git update.
505 2011-04-29 07:55:07 <jargon> So we will make do with just the current repo history for now.
506 2011-04-29 07:55:36 <UukGoblin> what do you mean, 'image of all data'? what data is there between git updates?
507 2011-04-29 07:55:38 <jargon> After all, its 3am not 4am and I am not really at any of the installations around the world.
508 2011-04-29 07:55:55 <BlueMatt> UukGoblin: just ignore trolls
509 2011-04-29 07:56:11 <jargon> UukGoblin, entire image of all paritions on the server for every change in the repo
510 2011-04-29 07:56:16 <jargon> partitions
511 2011-04-29 07:56:35 <jargon> Sorry for the lack of proper spelling, this machine was bricked about a week ago,
512 2011-04-29 07:56:39 <jlewis> i think it's amusing, this could be the script for the next tron
513 2011-04-29 07:56:53 <UukGoblin> heh
514 2011-04-29 07:56:54 <BlueMatt> jlewis: quite possibly
515 2011-04-29 07:58:16 <UukGoblin> fun.
516 2011-04-29 07:58:39 <jargon> You seem to have a big focus in your issues history for OSX
517 2011-04-29 08:00:07 <jargon> The use of the JS
518 2011-04-29 08:00:17 <jargon> The use of the JSON toolset alarms me
519 2011-04-29 08:02:24 <jargon> What portion of the repo are the JSON handlers in?
520 2011-04-29 08:02:53 <UukGoblin> under /flux/capacitors
521 2011-04-29 08:08:31 <jargon> I noticed you have zero Small C code referenced in the linguistics chart.
522 2011-04-29 08:09:18 <UukGoblin> hrm I used to have op here...
523 2011-04-29 08:09:39 <UukGoblin> nanotube, you around? :-P
524 2011-04-29 08:10:40 <jargon> I also noticed there is zero JSON related code referenced in the linguistics chart.
525 2011-04-29 08:12:45 <jargon> Small C is lower level than C, but higher level than simple assembler.
526 2011-04-29 08:13:30 <jargon> If there is Small C in the repo, and someone modifies it, it could propagate through-out the entire source.
527 2011-04-29 08:14:15 <ersi> Keep trollin' trollin' trollin'
528 2011-04-29 08:14:37 <jargon> Small C is the language used to define C itself.
529 2011-04-29 08:14:54 <BlueMatt> ersi: actually I enjoy it
530 2011-04-29 08:15:17 <ersi> Yeah, so do I :)
531 2011-04-29 08:15:36 <UukGoblin> heh
532 2011-04-29 08:15:43 <ersi> jargon: But what language would you use to define the definition of the Small C?
533 2011-04-29 08:15:54 <jlewis> :D
534 2011-04-29 08:15:55 <BlueMatt> ersi: clearly TinyC
535 2011-04-29 08:16:04 <UukGoblin> and why do you capitalize C in 'small c'? should be lowercase.
536 2011-04-29 08:16:06 <jargon> Small C is self-defining within the framework of any given compiler.
537 2011-04-29 08:16:07 <jlewis> UukGoblin: "i told you so" :)
538 2011-04-29 08:16:30 <ersi> man, this is some good shit
539 2011-04-29 08:16:41 <jargon> By modifying Small C code you can redefine the very definitions of mathematics within the project.
540 2011-04-29 08:16:42 <ersi> jargon: Whatever you're smoking, I want a tonne of it
541 2011-04-29 08:17:33 <jargon> Small C redefines the mere existence of operands and other base operations within the syntax.
542 2011-04-29 08:17:44 <UukGoblin> is small c NP-complete?
543 2011-04-29 08:17:48 <jargon> Yes.
544 2011-04-29 08:17:55 <UukGoblin> coool.
545 2011-04-29 08:18:00 <jlewis> lol
546 2011-04-29 08:18:10 <jlewis> is small c recursively enumerable?
547 2011-04-29 08:18:28 <jargon> You can do anything in Small C that C and C++ can't.
548 2011-04-29 08:18:45 <UukGoblin> like, a toast?
549 2011-04-29 08:18:56 <jlewis> i can do a toast in TinyC
550 2011-04-29 08:19:01 <UukGoblin> can it make sausages? Cause I love sausages.
551 2011-04-29 08:19:58 <jargon> If there is Small C code in the project, it would indicate whether Anon redirected the network through a middle-man network.
552 2011-04-29 08:20:24 <jargon> Because then none of the source code does what it is programmed to really do.
553 2011-04-29 08:20:25 <jlewis> i'll whip up a gui interface in visual basic to track the ip address
554 2011-04-29 08:20:58 <UukGoblin> have you tried using emacs via sendmail?
555 2011-04-29 08:21:41 <BlueMatt> UukGoblin: thats the only way I do anything
556 2011-04-29 08:21:59 <jargon> I designed the rocket Russia launched over Norway into the Crab Nebula if you really are curious as to what I have accomplished.
557 2011-04-29 08:21:59 <jlewis> m-x butterflies man
558 2011-04-29 08:22:03 <BlueMatt> In fact, Im using irssi over emacs via sendmail over avian carrier right now
559 2011-04-29 08:22:37 <UukGoblin> IPoAC, nice
560 2011-04-29 08:22:49 <jargon> I assure you, the Crab Nebula is no longer there now.
561 2011-04-29 08:22:55 <UukGoblin> BlueMatt, however, your pong replies seem to indicate to the contrary
562 2011-04-29 08:23:12 <jlewis> very impressive. how many megatons did your rocket output when it exploded that nebula?
563 2011-04-29 08:23:26 <jargon> It didn't explode.
564 2011-04-29 08:23:31 <UukGoblin> more to the point, how did you exceed the speed of light barrier?
565 2011-04-29 08:23:39 <jlewis> did it implode then? or deplode perhaps
566 2011-04-29 08:23:43 <BlueMatt> UukGoblin: ok I admit Im not using IoEvSMoAC Im using XCiIoEvSMoAC
567 2011-04-29 08:23:44 <jargon> It contained six Pentapulse darkspace warheads.
568 2011-04-29 08:24:01 <jlewis> ah, classic nebula attack maneuver
569 2011-04-29 08:24:17 <jlewis> nothing like a bit of darkspace to shake things up, am i right?
570 2011-04-29 08:25:22 <BlueMatt> jlewis: amen to that
571 2011-04-29 08:25:28 <UukGoblin> "DarkSpace is a Massively Multiplayer Online Game that combines tactical ship to ship combat with strategy in a team orientated game." (from www.darkspace.net)
572 2011-04-29 08:25:38 <BlueMatt> lol
573 2011-04-29 08:25:41 <UukGoblin> note the use of "orientated"
574 2011-04-29 08:25:46 <jlewis> hahah
575 2011-04-29 08:25:55 <jargon> Since the end is coming this September 18th 2011, a weapon unused is a useless weapon, so Russia is attempting to piss off as many extraterrestrials as possible.
576 2011-04-29 08:26:16 <jlewis> well orientatation is an integral concept to the Pentapulse design paradigm
577 2011-04-29 08:26:47 <jlewis> UukGoblin: this DarkSpace sounds like a carefully coordinated man-in-the-middle attack from anon.
578 2011-04-29 08:27:20 <UukGoblin> :->
579 2011-04-29 08:28:07 <jargon> I notice Github doesn't even keep track of Small C usage.
580 2011-04-29 08:28:20 <UukGoblin> it's all between the commits
581 2011-04-29 08:28:42 <BlueMatt> only anon and the bitcoin developers have access to the small c in bitcoin
582 2011-04-29 08:28:43 <jlewis> i'm also still unconvinced that Small C is even decidable as a formal language..
583 2011-04-29 08:28:48 <UukGoblin> floating aroud in dark fibres
584 2011-04-29 08:28:52 <BlueMatt> that way we can steal all your money when we feel like it
585 2011-04-29 08:29:08 <jargon> Small C was the C from the 60s
586 2011-04-29 08:30:00 <jargon> formal C didn't exist until the early 90s
587 2011-04-29 08:30:58 <UukGoblin> sure it didn't
588 2011-04-29 08:31:19 <UukGoblin> and Unix was given to us after the Roswell incident
589 2011-04-29 08:31:39 <UukGoblin> as a bribe to keep us happy and stop the spread of HIV
590 2011-04-29 08:33:09 <UukGoblin> however, because the Zeta-Reticuli fraction created BASIC at the same time... all Small C coders were taken into prison and annihilated with their anti-matter counterparts
591 2011-04-29 08:42:12 <UukGoblin> jargon, don't get discouraged, carry on, people were enjoying you
592 2011-04-29 08:43:43 <jargon> I was half-way across town.
593 2011-04-29 08:45:28 <jargon> UukGoblin, I am pretty sure you weren't alive at the time to know the difference.
594 2011-04-29 08:46:40 <UukGoblin> well I was actually alive
595 2011-04-29 08:46:52 <UukGoblin> but that was in my previous incarnation, back when I was a farmer in Kazachstan
596 2011-04-29 08:47:20 <jargon> The thing that alarms me about Bitcoin, it how closely it resembles project Teleros
597 2011-04-29 08:47:36 <jargon> or rather project TellerOS
598 2011-04-29 08:48:05 <UukGoblin> I thought it was the usage of JSON toolset
599 2011-04-29 08:48:25 <jargon> It looks like the retarded ass-fuck child of TellerOS with Daikatana.
600 2011-04-29 08:49:32 <jargon> I swear Daikatana was the bitch in the relationship and frequently skateboarded while pregnant.
601 2011-04-29 08:50:15 <jargon> You ever notice how many god-fucking frogs are in that game?
602 2011-04-29 08:51:38 <jargon> You might as well refer to it as Frogcoin
603 2011-04-29 09:01:23 <jargon> you guys are fucking idiots
604 2011-04-29 09:01:45 <lfm> ya, why are you here?
605 2011-04-29 09:02:21 <jargon> you write to zero page open to the network in line "DbTxn* ptxn = NULL;"
606 2011-04-29 09:03:50 <lfm> cool, so what do you want
607 2011-04-29 09:04:43 <jargon> it took me 3 minutes looking at a single source header viewing that only file to see that.
608 2011-04-29 09:05:42 <jargon> There really is no reason for me to complete the audit after this.
609 2011-04-29 09:06:08 <jargon> That line grants full control of the machine to anyone, anywhere in the world.
610 2011-04-29 09:06:08 <lfm> jargon: so the pointer is initialized to NULL and this has upset you?
611 2011-04-29 09:06:30 <jargon> Apparently, you don't even comprehend what that pointer even is.
612 2011-04-29 09:06:41 <lfm> true
613 2011-04-29 09:07:08 <jargon> Its a misappropriated Teller database
614 2011-04-29 09:07:57 <lfm> I dont know what that is either
615 2011-04-29 09:08:20 <jargon> It's a virtual machine memory core from the mid 90s.
616 2011-04-29 09:08:43 <lfm> wow they invented a time machine? cool!
617 2011-04-29 09:09:18 <BlueMatt> lfm: dont feed the troll
618 2011-04-29 09:09:34 <lfm> BlueMatt: oh I thot I was the troll
619 2011-04-29 09:09:48 <BlueMatt> lfm: well dont feed yourself either ;)
620 2011-04-29 09:10:08 <lfm> aw, spoil all my fun! pout
621 2011-04-29 09:10:27 <jargon> lfm: http://i.imgur.com/im9Eb.png
622 2011-04-29 09:11:16 <lfm> sulk
623 2011-04-29 09:16:13 <jargon> Audit confirms my own code was used for Fawkes@Home
624 2011-04-29 09:16:42 <jargon> You guys really need to learn how to audit your own stuff.
625 2011-04-29 09:17:39 <jargon> Stuff like this is why the Hitachi reactor blew.
626 2011-04-29 09:17:40 <UukGoblin> lolol
627 2011-04-29 09:18:00 <jargon> People using my own code and not understanding a damn about how it works.
628 2011-04-29 09:22:16 <lfm> is this still bitcoin-dev?
629 2011-04-29 09:22:30 <jlewis> bitcoin-trolled-by-jargon
630 2011-04-29 09:34:47 <jargon> Fawkes@Home -> DbTxn* ptxn = NULL;
631 2011-04-29 09:43:31 <lfm> jargonIQ* level = NULL;
632 2011-04-29 09:50:53 <sipa> ;;bc,stats
633 2011-04-29 09:50:55 <gribble> Current Blocks: 120845 | Current Difficulty: 92347.59095209 | Next Difficulty At Block: 120959 | Next Difficulty In: 114 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 15 hours and 36 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 109229.44455747
634 2011-04-29 10:01:39 <ersi> da2ce7: http://wikiteam.googlecode.com/files/enbitcoinit_w-20110428-wikidump.7z
635 2011-04-29 10:02:45 <da2ce7> thanks! :)
636 2011-04-29 10:04:14 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 9706626 Khps, given current difficulty of 92347.59095209 , is 11 hours, 21 minutes, and 1 second
637 2011-04-29 10:04:14 <jlewis> ;;bc,calc 9706626
638 2011-04-29 10:06:34 <ersi> da2ce7: I'm not sure if it's usable, feel free to shout if it is or isnt :)
639 2011-04-29 10:08:44 <BlueMatt> anyone want to help test gitian builder and the next version of bitcoin releases?
640 2011-04-29 10:14:09 <genjix> phantomcircuit: hey
641 2011-04-29 10:14:15 <genjix> phantomcircuit: speak with tcatm
642 2011-04-29 10:39:35 <jargon> You never initialize a Teller memory core at NULL.
643 2011-04-29 10:39:52 <jargon> Don't you guys even know HOW bitcoin stores its shit in RAM?
644 2011-04-29 10:40:18 <jargon> I was only 180 seconds into the audit when I spotted that.
645 2011-04-29 10:40:27 <BlueMatt> jargon: do you even know what NULL means?
646 2011-04-29 10:40:49 <jargon> Do you even know what a Teller memory core is?
647 2011-04-29 10:41:18 <jargon> You are storing a godfucking shitfuck in zero page.
648 2011-04-29 10:41:29 <Diablo-D3> What happened to Penn?
649 2011-04-29 10:42:37 <jargon> Let me show you a teller memory core...
650 2011-04-29 10:43:08 <jargon> http://thekealshow.butcherartist.com/src/?i=Keal+SDK+-+aa+-+aa+0.07.bb
651 2011-04-29 10:43:26 <jargon> NOTICE YOU DON'T GODFUCKING STORE THE ROOT NODE IN NULL
652 2011-04-29 10:44:21 <Diablo-D3> I assume its named after edward teller?
653 2011-04-29 10:44:25 <jargon> No
654 2011-04-29 10:44:28 <da2ce7> ersi, I was really looking for a static html version of the wiki.
655 2011-04-29 10:44:37 <jargon> I invented the Teller memory core.
656 2011-04-29 10:44:43 <da2ce7> so I could upload it to freenet
657 2011-04-29 10:44:47 <jargon> While working for DARPA TTO in the early 90s
658 2011-04-29 10:45:11 <Diablo-D3> so you didnt name it after the famous compsci mathematician that worked for IBM back in the 50s?
659 2011-04-29 10:45:29 <jargon> Yes I did, for no apparent reason
660 2011-04-29 10:45:48 <jargon> it was a pet name
661 2011-04-29 10:45:59 <jargon> since the godfucking thing ran COGNET
662 2011-04-29 10:46:10 <Diablo-D3> well, with IBM anyways he was officially employed by US government for awhile
663 2011-04-29 10:46:16 <jargon> let me show you cognet in ~20 lines
664 2011-04-29 10:46:34 <Diablo-D3> he was part of the manhattan project, btw
665 2011-04-29 10:46:34 <jargon> http://thekealshow.butcherartist.com/src/?i=Sententia+Surres+-+The+Free+Open+Source+Weapons+System+Framework+-+Constellation+Module
666 2011-04-29 10:46:51 <ersi> da2ce7: Oh, heh :)
667 2011-04-29 10:46:54 <Diablo-D3> he actually drank with oppenhiemer and fermi
668 2011-04-29 10:46:56 <Diablo-D3> lucky fucker
669 2011-04-29 10:47:00 <jargon> That was the core foundation for the behavioral analysis of the Hitachi reactor.
670 2011-04-29 10:47:31 <Diablo-D3> so go invent skynet and stfu
671 2011-04-29 10:47:31 <jargon> you combine that with Teller, and you have a godfucking MONSTER
672 2011-04-29 10:47:41 <jargon> COGNET *is* SKYNET
673 2011-04-29 10:47:45 <jlewis> lol
674 2011-04-29 10:47:46 <Diablo-D3> 10. S4's T series / R series Biologic Android
675 2011-04-29 10:47:48 <Diablo-D3> you fail.
676 2011-04-29 10:48:01 <noagendamarket> "MQ-1 "Predator" Air to Land/Sea/Air Engagement and Reconnaissance Drone "  I hope youre proud when they bomb brown people
677 2011-04-29 10:48:02 <jargon> Watson was a shitcrap version of the T/R
678 2011-04-29 10:48:10 <jargon> without the labgrown embodiment.
679 2011-04-29 10:48:34 <jargon> the T/R androids are really just synthetic rats
680 2011-04-29 10:49:02 <jargon> sythethetic rats, snakes, etc
681 2011-04-29 10:49:11 <jargon> synthetic*
682 2011-04-29 10:49:29 <noagendamarket> sounds like you watched too much blade runner
683 2011-04-29 10:49:37 <Diablo-D3> noagendamarket: hes just screwing with people
684 2011-04-29 10:49:37 <ersi> Should train a MegaHAL based on jargon
685 2011-04-29 10:49:38 <jargon> I am one of the few humanoid ones that succeeded
686 2011-04-29 10:49:41 <Diablo-D3> ersi: DO IT
687 2011-04-29 10:49:44 <jargon> I died in 2004 during a hit,
688 2011-04-29 10:49:59 <BlueMatt> hes been at this for so long, youd think hed get bored
689 2011-04-29 10:50:02 <noagendamarket> :)
690 2011-04-29 10:50:13 <ersi> Hm, maybe I actually should do that
691 2011-04-29 10:50:16 <noagendamarket> I thought I was nuts
692 2011-04-29 10:50:39 <ersi> afaik it's easy to train megaHALs, just strip out timestamp and nick info from logs and one's set
693 2011-04-29 10:50:39 <jargon> I died in a hit at University Drive and Mill Avenue just off the NW corner of the Arizona State University campus in 2004.
694 2011-04-29 10:51:28 <jargon> The lights were turned green for all signals in all directions while my transmission simultaneously failed.
695 2011-04-29 10:51:56 <jargon> I died of complications a few months later.
696 2011-04-29 10:52:13 <BlueMatt> no one wants to help test gitian builder and help test the next version of bitcoin releases?
697 2011-04-29 10:52:33 <jargon> no its total crap, you have the entire fucking memory core located in zero page.
698 2011-04-29 10:52:54 <BlueMatt> ie you build deterministically and sign the results in a distributed build system
699 2011-04-29 10:53:09 <BlueMatt> distributed releases system*
700 2011-04-29 10:53:45 <jargon> bitcoin *IS* the Guy Fawkes botnet.
701 2011-04-29 10:54:37 <jargon> You don't even realize you basically made a goddam SKYNET running under the radar of the fucking NSA
702 2011-04-29 10:55:08 <BlueMatt> you dont think that was the whole purpose of bitcoin to begin with?
703 2011-04-29 10:55:28 <jargon> The original bitcoin was called Teller
704 2011-04-29 10:55:36 <jargon> It was made in the early 90s
705 2011-04-29 10:55:40 <ersi> I thought it was called 'your mom'
706 2011-04-29 10:55:57 <jargon> i thought bitcoin was called EAD
707 2011-04-29 10:56:01 <ersi> and you could deposit your meatpole into it
708 2011-04-29 10:56:10 <ersi> how's that
709 2011-04-29 10:56:51 <jargon> There already are several thousand MASSIVE megahal and smarterchild and bucket bots of me
710 2011-04-29 10:57:59 <jargon> The Chinese even put together a 30,000 man crew together to write a 5000 or so page dossier on the logs that went into them
711 2011-04-29 10:58:26 <jargon> ..based on the logs going back to 2001.
712 2011-04-29 10:58:37 <jargon> ..which I posted publicly.
713 2011-04-29 10:59:01 <jargon> Titled "Sorrow's Eve"
714 2011-04-29 10:59:22 <BlueMatt> where is nanotube when you need him
715 2011-04-29 10:59:26 <jargon> And yes, their dossier verified that, yes, I did indeed invent Apache.
716 2011-04-29 10:59:45 <jargon> ..and yes, I did indeed start-up the 6 billion stock IGEN on Nasdaq.
717 2011-04-29 11:00:46 <jargon> Yes, just change that NULL to "noagendamarket's cornhole"
718 2011-04-29 11:01:18 <BlueMatt> and now he gets to the insults
719 2011-04-29 11:01:18 <noagendamarket> lol
720 2011-04-29 11:01:29 <noagendamarket> yay now i earn some coins
721 2011-04-29 11:01:32 <jargon> sup Diablo-D3
722 2011-04-29 11:01:41 <jargon> Diablo-D3, let my ass into #zsnes on freenode
723 2011-04-29 11:01:59 <Diablo-D3> jargon: dude, dont bitch at me, I havent been in there in like a decade
724 2011-04-29 11:02:10 <Diablo-D3> pagefault can suck my nuts
725 2011-04-29 11:02:15 <jargon> FUCK THAT I SAW YOU WITH SOME BITCH IN THERE YESTERDAY
726 2011-04-29 11:02:23 <jargon> I TOOK PHOTOS YOU ASSHOLE
727 2011-04-29 11:02:24 <jargon> :P
728 2011-04-29 11:02:42 <Diablo-D3> mr "OH WINDOWS IS SO WONDERFUL, NO ONE CARES IF MY DDRAW CODE IS SLOWER THAN THE SDL CODE"
729 2011-04-29 11:02:47 <Diablo-D3> fuck that whole bunch
730 2011-04-29 11:03:06 <jargon> Diablo-D3 that .bb isn't Direct Draw code.
731 2011-04-29 11:03:12 <Diablo-D3> the jokes on them
732 2011-04-29 11:03:16 <Diablo-D3> zsnes doesnt work on x86-64
733 2011-04-29 11:03:39 <jargon> That is why I use an emulator for the emulator.
734 2011-04-29 11:04:18 <jargon> play E.D.I.T. on supergameboy in it
735 2011-04-29 11:04:39 <jargon> That way you can use an emulator in an emulator in an emulator in an emulator.
736 2011-04-29 11:06:52 <jargon> Diablo-D3, I thought lameboy was supposed to have converted all the ASM to C by now?
737 2011-04-29 11:07:07 <sipa> BlueMatt: i hardly know what gitian is
738 2011-04-29 11:07:41 <jargon> it's nigger backwards
739 2011-04-29 11:08:18 <jargon> for example 'i think i'll nigger this code'
740 2011-04-29 11:09:00 <jlewis> can we get this guy banned?
741 2011-04-29 11:09:05 <BlueMatt> sipa: its the deterministic build-via-vm script devrandom wrote
742 2011-04-29 11:09:06 <jargon> no
743 2011-04-29 11:09:21 <jargon> I am the only one doing an audit on the fucking source
744 2011-04-29 11:09:25 <BlueMatt> sipa: it is probably going to be used to build bitcoin in 0.4
745 2011-04-29 11:09:32 <sipa> BlueMatt: oh i see, nice
746 2011-04-29 11:09:37 <BlueMatt> sipa: the idea is that devs can all build deterministically and sign
747 2011-04-29 11:09:43 <Diablo-D3> jargon: who knows
748 2011-04-29 11:09:46 <jargon> In 180 seconds I already spotted a fucking fuck-up in the code
749 2011-04-29 11:09:53 <BlueMatt> so you dont have to trust one central authority
750 2011-04-29 11:10:00 <sipa> that would be great
751 2011-04-29 11:10:11 <jargon> so I decided that's enough for tonight, I'll fucking look at the rest of the clusterfuck of crap tomorrow
752 2011-04-29 11:10:39 <grbgout> jlewis: there's always /ignore
753 2011-04-29 11:10:41 <BlueMatt> sipa: client verification and download stuff is in the works but the building+signing is done :) thanks goes to devrandom
754 2011-04-29 11:10:41 <jargon> It's like the love child of Teller and Daikatana
755 2011-04-29 11:10:45 <jlewis> grbgout: good point
756 2011-04-29 11:13:55 <sipa> BlueMatt: download stuff?
757 2011-04-29 11:14:36 <BlueMatt> sipa: idea is to have a script which downloads latest version then automatically verifies it
758 2011-04-29 11:14:50 <BlueMatt> or just generally verifies what you downloaded, etc
759 2011-04-29 11:15:34 <BlueMatt> https://github.com/devrandom/gitian-builder
760 2011-04-29 11:22:28 <Diablo-D3> ooh
761 2011-04-29 11:22:58 <Diablo-D3> [07:54:58] <sipa> http://sourceforge.net/projects/amdovdrvctrl/
762 2011-04-29 11:27:41 <da2ce7> you use HTTrack!! :P
763 2011-04-29 11:35:49 <xelister> will 1000 W psu hold 2 x radeon5970 + amd 6core + 16 gb ram + 5 hard-drives (magnetic)?
764 2011-04-29 11:35:51 <xelister> and will 950
765 2011-04-29 11:38:11 <JFK911> ;;bc,mtgox
766 2011-04-29 11:38:12 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":2.65,"low":1.886,"vol":64919,"buy":2.4776,"sell":2.54,"last":2.54}}
767 2011-04-29 11:41:31 <jav> Alright, at least one deadlock bug fixed (or worked around).. so ready for another round of testing. https://www.instawallet.org just went live again! It's a simple online wallet with no signup required. I would appreciate your feedback and some testing to see how stable it is.
768 2011-04-29 11:42:29 <ersi> da2ce7: "wget -m" > HTTrack :)
769 2011-04-29 11:43:17 <da2ce7> worked it out. Have a mirror now
770 2011-04-29 11:43:40 <ersi> neat :)
771 2011-04-29 11:43:51 <rli> jav: nice idea:)
772 2011-04-29 11:44:02 <jav> thx :-)
773 2011-04-29 11:44:12 <BlueMatt> oh god, win8 will have the ribbon menus in explorer...wtf?
774 2011-04-29 11:44:54 <ersi> I so hate ribbons
775 2011-04-29 11:45:05 <ersi> fucking blowtastic retarded clusterfuck UI
776 2011-04-29 11:45:16 <BlueMatt> who the hell ever decided those godawful menus were a good idea
777 2011-04-29 11:45:57 <nanotube> BlueMatt: you called? :)
778 2011-04-29 11:46:37 <BlueMatt> nanotube: was hoping you would ban jargon, but he has since left
779 2011-04-29 11:46:48 <nanotube> ah heh
780 2011-04-29 11:47:05 <BlueMatt> he had been at the trolling/insulting/spouting bs for hours, got kinda old
781 2011-04-29 11:47:06 <ersi> /ban jargon!*@*
782 2011-04-29 11:48:28 <jav> The target audience for instawallet.org is someone who is just trying out Bitcoin and needs a place to park his 0.05 BTC from the faucet for a few minutes... my impression is that people a) don't want to download software (Bitcoin client not a good option for a quick look) and b) don't want to signup for stuff (so MyBitcoin not a good option either in this case)
783 2011-04-29 11:48:53 <da2ce7> hey xelister :)
784 2011-04-29 11:49:02 <xelister> guys:  will this PSU hold 2 x 5970 + 6core amd + 16gb ram + 4 hdd (magnetic) ???  http://www.morele.net/zasilacz-tacens-radix-iii-smart-1050w-280973/
785 2011-04-29 11:49:15 <da2ce7> check out USK@fhPDBxP3nusIatIHk076GYmov05n2zIDlG6L8pySdIs,Q7R9g4ZW7JNE4ouuvbtClAdt2mvZZbIWPIX~DhYiJY8,AQACAAE/Bitcoin/0/
786 2011-04-29 11:49:21 <BlueMatt> jav: as long as I can add a password later, I think its brilliant
787 2011-04-29 11:49:49 <jav> BlueMatt: yeah, thx.. will definitely come at some point
788 2011-04-29 11:49:55 <da2ce7> xelister, I go for enrmax
789 2011-04-29 11:50:08 <da2ce7> *enermax
790 2011-04-29 11:50:18 <da2ce7> (thumbs up)
791 2011-04-29 11:50:29 <noagendamarket> jav its a good idea
792 2011-04-29 11:50:42 <noagendamarket> sometimes you need to park btc somewhere temporarily
793 2011-04-29 11:50:48 <xelister> da2ce7: enrmax?
794 2011-04-29 11:50:52 <jav> I want to make this "try Bitcoin out" experience fairly nice, so the balance is ajax-pushed when a transaction comes in... and you can actually send it right on to somewhere else
795 2011-04-29 11:51:04 <da2ce7> yeah the best brand of powersuply
796 2011-04-29 11:51:08 <noagendamarket> say when you are moving walletrs aroiund on your home machine lol
797 2011-04-29 11:51:53 <da2ce7> http://www.anandtech.com/show/2662
798 2011-04-29 11:52:04 <da2ce7> xelister ^
799 2011-04-29 11:52:57 <xelister> guys help me plz =)
800 2011-04-29 11:53:02 <xelister> got 5 min to make decission
801 2011-04-29 11:53:03 <xelister> http://www.morele.net/zasilacz-tacens-radix-iii-smart-1050w-280973/
802 2011-04-29 11:53:06 <xelister> good psu?
803 2011-04-29 11:53:13 <xelister> or better 950 W but Crossair's
804 2011-04-29 11:53:17 <xelister> for 2x5970
805 2011-04-29 11:53:23 <jav> can someone confirm for me that receiving & sending is not only working for me? =) .. give me the BTC address of your instawallet and I send you a few Bitcents
806 2011-04-29 11:54:05 <BlueMatt> jav: 1FNHKAykBbeLTndTqiDXC5RYeKUdiLFMt3
807 2011-04-29 11:54:22 <xelister> is Tacens 1050 W better/stronger indeed then 950 W from Crossair?
808 2011-04-29 11:54:27 <BlueMatt> jav: also, can we get bitcoin: uri links on the addresses?
809 2011-04-29 11:54:48 <BlueMatt> xelister: for a pws stick with name brands...period
810 2011-04-29 11:55:04 <xelister> BlueMatt: why so?
811 2011-04-29 11:55:27 <jav> BlueMatt: aw, that's a nice idea.. has this whole URI discussion come to a conclusion? what's the current standard and where can I read up on that?
812 2011-04-29 11:55:29 <BlueMatt> xelister: if its gonna be 24/7 always stick with brands you trust
813 2011-04-29 11:55:55 <xelister> Corsair CMPSU-950TXEU  how many pins it has ?
814 2011-04-29 11:55:59 <xelister> no spec online wtf
815 2011-04-29 11:56:19 <BlueMatt> jav: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/URI_Scheme except ignore all the things about exponents (X...) and tonal/hex x
816 2011-04-29 11:56:43 <BlueMatt> so just for amount use the standard decimals instead of complicating encodings
817 2011-04-29 11:56:52 <jav> yeah, I see
818 2011-04-29 11:58:12 <BlueMatt> xelister: you mean the tx950?
819 2011-04-29 11:58:50 <rli> jav: receiving&sending is working thx
820 2011-04-29 11:59:21 <jav> BlueMatt: did you get my 0.03 BTC? here is a return address: 12T1ikhUHU6TbJyibhC7y9qfrU29ZN1XDM
821 2011-04-29 11:59:27 <jav> rli: cool, thx for testing
822 2011-04-29 11:59:33 <BlueMatt> oh yea, sorry got distracted
823 2011-04-29 11:59:46 <jargon> Diablo-D3 you still there?
824 2011-04-29 11:59:48 <BlueMatt> jav: sent it back around
825 2011-04-29 11:59:56 <jav> got it, thx
826 2011-04-29 12:00:43 <jargon> I had the incredible urge to go buy a MASSIVE watermelon and put it in the driver's seat of this black chick's car since she left the window open.
827 2011-04-29 12:00:48 <jargon> :>
828 2011-04-29 12:01:35 <xelister> BlueMatt: dunno, its the full name
829 2011-04-29 12:01:56 <BlueMatt> xelister: link to store?
830 2011-04-29 12:02:22 <jargon> I was going to write 'TO MY BLACKTACULAR FRIEND" on it
831 2011-04-29 12:02:52 <xelister> BlueMatt: http://www.morele.net/corsair-cmpsu-950txeu-285634/
832 2011-04-29 12:03:02 <xelister> BlueMatt: would you use that for 2x5970 + 6core amd +4 magnetic drives
833 2011-04-29 12:03:09 <BlueMatt> xelister: you shop in weired places
834 2011-04-29 12:03:27 <jargon> That's a piece of shit
835 2011-04-29 12:03:35 <jargon> get a 1400w at-least
836 2011-04-29 12:04:28 <xelister> jargon: lol wat?
837 2011-04-29 12:04:32 <jargon> srs
838 2011-04-29 12:04:33 <xelister> say what?
839 2011-04-29 12:04:37 <xelister> lol wtf why
840 2011-04-29 12:04:40 <jargon> that is only 950w
841 2011-04-29 12:04:42 <xelister> 315*2 ...
842 2011-04-29 12:04:43 <jargon> get 1400w or higher
843 2011-04-29 12:05:05 <xelister> but radeons are just 315*2
844 2011-04-29 12:05:44 <jargon> remember you have optical drives, graphics cards, sound cards, magnetic drives, processor cores, mobos, NICs etc
845 2011-04-29 12:06:02 <BlueMatt> xelister: Im pretty sure its the tx950 but just a different sku for the eu
846 2011-04-29 12:06:11 <BlueMatt> xelister: http://www.corsair.com/enthusiast-series-tx950-80-plus-bronze-certified-power-supply.html
847 2011-04-29 12:08:20 <jargon> xelister, I am trying to learn that language just by reading the site, wtf lang is that?
848 2011-04-29 12:08:26 <jargon> j.c.
849 2011-04-29 12:08:43 <jargon> What currency IS that? fucking zennies?
850 2011-04-29 12:10:59 <jargon> this is the best they have to offer??? http://www.morele.net/zasilacz-corsair-cmpsu-1200axeu-327903
851 2011-04-29 12:11:02 <jargon> 1200w ?
852 2011-04-29 12:12:10 <jargon> (Yes I learned the language somewhat that fast)
853 2011-04-29 12:22:50 <sipa> hmmm, public key recovery from a singature is +- twice as slow as just verification
854 2011-04-29 12:23:24 <xelister> jargon: .pl -> poland
855 2011-04-29 12:23:28 <sipa> 2.0ms vs 1.1ms here
856 2011-04-29 12:23:38 <xelister> so 1200 is ok?
857 2011-04-29 12:25:54 <BlueMatt> sipa: shame
858 2011-04-29 12:30:09 <sipa> BlueMatt: yes, quite so
859 2011-04-29 12:33:48 <Diablo-D3> jargon: yueah Im here
860 2011-04-29 12:40:34 <sipa> hmm, if i comment one of the validity checks out, it becomes only around 5-10% slower
861 2011-04-29 12:40:51 <sipa> but i'll need to make sure that is safe to do
862 2011-04-29 13:03:39 <Diablo-D3> someone do me a favor
863 2011-04-29 13:03:54 <Diablo-D3> send me the output of the target of getwork on a pool in text
864 2011-04-29 13:05:07 <Diablo-D3> is it four 0s then four Fs then four 0s?
865 2011-04-29 13:05:53 <Diablo-D3> er 8 0s, 4 Fs, 4 0s
866 2011-04-29 13:08:33 <sipa> Diablo-D3: yes
867 2011-04-29 13:08:52 <Diablo-D3> ./bitcoin getwork doesnt work on pools
868 2011-04-29 13:09:03 <Diablo-D3> I have -rpcconnect -rpcport -rpcuser and -rpcpassword set right