1 2011-05-01 00:00:08 <retinal> VNC is just plain awful once you have over 500ms latency
  2 2011-05-01 00:00:27 <Dudley> I would never use Microsoft for any of my project.s
  3 2011-05-01 00:00:57 <retinal> well, I'm stuck with Microsoft because of Active Directory
  4 2011-05-01 00:01:19 <Dudley> I'd virtualize Windows on Linux at the most.
  5 2011-05-01 00:01:53 <Diablo-D3> heh
  6 2011-05-01 00:02:20 <retinal> I happen to do the opposite, haha
  7 2011-05-01 00:02:44 <retinal> it sucks so hard that the majority of Windows updates require a restart
  8 2011-05-01 00:03:00 <Dudley> Evidence #1 that I cannot use Windows.
  9 2011-05-01 00:03:15 <Dudley> Can faux reboot on Linux.
 10 2011-05-01 00:03:20 <Dudley> Not that I HAVE to update.
 11 2011-05-01 00:04:13 <retinal> Exactly. Bad things happen on Windows systems if you don't update.
 12 2011-05-01 00:04:27 <Dudley> Hence the Windows on Linux
 13 2011-05-01 00:05:03 <Dudley> I can back up the images of the VM and restore
 14 2011-05-01 00:05:04 <jrabbit> lol what
 15 2011-05-01 00:06:33 <tuxsoul> hi, i try create the ubuntu package of bitcoin 0.3.21, but libminiupnpc don't exist in ubuntu, only in debian ?
 16 2011-05-01 00:06:52 <Dudley> are you installing via apt-get?
 17 2011-05-01 00:08:05 <tuxsoul> Dudley: nop, i have my own repository APP to ubuntu and debian, ;), i create the not oficial deb packages
 18 2011-05-01 00:08:24 <tuxsoul> sorry my english is bad :(
 19 2011-05-01 00:09:01 <[Tycho]> "it leaves less space in our blocks for normal with-fee transactions" - normal transactions don't need fees :)
 20 2011-05-01 00:09:58 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: yes they do ;)
 21 2011-05-01 00:10:46 <FellowTraveler> okay I updated to 3.20, now I get this output:
 22 2011-05-01 00:10:47 <FellowTraveler> $ ./bitcoin listaccounts
 23 2011-05-01 00:10:48 <FellowTraveler> "" : -125.02000000,
 24 2011-05-01 00:11:00 <luke-jr> FellowTraveler: so?
 25 2011-05-01 00:11:03 <FellowTraveler> Therefore it looks like when I did "create new address" (Testing) it actually did a create new account.
 26 2011-05-01 00:11:18 <FellowTraveler> and that explains why when I check balance on default account, I get a negative number??
 27 2011-05-01 00:11:25 <[Tycho]> Transactions should be free.
 28 2011-05-01 00:12:10 <FellowTraveler> I never intentionally created a new account at all, just an address
 29 2011-05-01 00:12:18 <FellowTraveler> and since then, now my "default" account has a negative "balance"
 30 2011-05-01 00:12:25 <FellowTraveler> just trying to figure this out so I can explain to my coder
 31 2011-05-01 00:14:54 <JFK911> ;;bc,stats
 32 2011-05-01 00:15:05 <JFK911> oh oops its gone
 33 2011-05-01 00:15:40 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: no
 34 2011-05-01 00:15:54 <lulzplzkthx> luke-jr: did you add in Balance: x.xx BTC?
 35 2011-05-01 00:16:00 <lulzplzkthx> someone said you may hvae done it
 36 2011-05-01 00:16:02 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: yes
 37 2011-05-01 00:16:09 <lulzplzkthx> how about Send coins from the context menu?
 38 2011-05-01 00:16:13 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: it's already there
 39 2011-05-01 00:16:16 <lulzplzkthx> eh?
 40 2011-05-01 00:16:18 <lulzplzkthx> from the tray menu?
 41 2011-05-01 00:16:19 <lulzplzkthx> no
 42 2011-05-01 00:16:20 <luke-jr> yes
 43 2011-05-01 00:16:26 <lulzplzkthx> Open, Options, Generate
 44 2011-05-01 00:16:27 <luke-jr> for Spesmilo
 45 2011-05-01 00:16:33 <lulzplzkthx> oh, you did this for Spes
 46 2011-05-01 00:16:35 <lulzplzkthx> okay.
 47 2011-05-01 00:16:42 <lulzplzkthx> so it's still worth my time to do it for the official client?
 48 2011-05-01 00:16:52 <luke-jr> I only develop for wxBitcoin when there's a bounty at least ;P
 49 2011-05-01 00:17:00 <luke-jr> there is no such thing as official
 50 2011-05-01 00:17:10 <lulzplzkthx> I mean the Bitcoin client.
 51 2011-05-01 00:17:13 <luke-jr> you could just opt to use Spesmilo ;)
 52 2011-05-01 00:17:15 <lulzplzkthx> As in "Bitcoin" the client.
 53 2011-05-01 00:17:16 <lulzplzkthx> XP
 54 2011-05-01 00:17:26 <lulzplzkthx> My C++ skills need work anyway.
 55 2011-05-01 00:18:28 <lulzplzkthx> anyone know what to do on win7 32-bit when ld can't find -lboost_system-mgw45-mt-s-1_43?
 56 2011-05-01 00:18:32 <lulzplzkthx> I followed BlueMatt's tutorial.
 57 2011-05-01 00:26:10 <digid> hello
 58 2011-05-01 00:29:48 <lulzplzkthx> Hello.
 59 2011-05-01 00:33:11 <ninjaneo> hello
 60 2011-05-01 00:33:12 <ninjaneo> ;p
 61 2011-05-01 00:36:03 <bliackbit> doesn anyone know that mtgox is down?
 62 2011-05-01 00:36:09 <Lachesis> lol yeah anyone knows that
 63 2011-05-01 00:37:08 <bliackbit> does he run mtgox on a netbook?
 64 2011-05-01 00:37:34 <Lachesis> umm now
 65 2011-05-01 00:37:35 <Lachesis> no*
 66 2011-05-01 00:37:39 <bliackbit> so?
 67 2011-05-01 00:37:46 <bliackbit> where is it?
 68 2011-05-01 00:37:55 <dirtyfilthy> it's being massively ddosed
 69 2011-05-01 00:38:00 <bliackbit> ok
 70 2011-05-01 00:38:18 <seventoes> Is it? I thought it was just too much legit traffic?
 71 2011-05-01 00:39:02 <FellowTraveler> who would ddos mtgox? Certainly not the hacker community
 72 2011-05-01 00:39:13 <FellowTraveler> same time as paypal cuts off various btc exchangers
 73 2011-05-01 00:39:13 <[Tycho]> It was a link from http://news.ycombinator.com
 74 2011-05-01 00:39:20 <bliackbit> apache no?
 75 2011-05-01 00:39:23 <dirtyfilthy> other exchanges: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=6864.msg101352#msg101352
 76 2011-05-01 00:40:22 <bliackbit> The KeepAliveTimeout directive may be also lowered on sites that are subject to DoS attacks.
 77 2011-05-01 00:40:40 <dirtyfilthy> "I and my friends who enjoyed bitcoin very badly affected."
 78 2011-05-01 00:41:15 <bliackbit> une the MaxClients directive to allow the server to handle the maximum number of simultaneous connections without running out of resources.
 79 2011-05-01 00:49:31 <vorlov> are there no loops in opencl?
 80 2011-05-01 00:52:18 <Lachesis> vorlov, there are loops
 81 2011-05-01 00:52:25 <Lachesis> it's just faster to unroll them
 82 2011-05-01 00:52:47 <vorlov> is that why Art chose to rotate them himself instead of looping on it
 83 2011-05-01 00:52:48 <vorlov> ?
 84 2011-05-01 00:55:23 <Lachesis> yes
 85 2011-05-01 01:07:35 <kika> Diablo-D3: im getting Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: org.apache.commons.cli.Options not found in java.lang.ClassLoader$1{urls=[file:/root/Descargas/DiabloMiner/target/libs/*,file:/root/Descargas/DiabloMiner/target/DiabloMiner-0.0.1-SNAPSHOT.jar], parent=null}
 86 2011-05-01 01:07:47 <kika> Diablo-D3: do you have idea why i get that error when i try to run diablominer
 87 2011-05-01 01:08:34 <Diablo-D3> is it in there?
 88 2011-05-01 01:08:46 <kika> Diablo-D3: ?
 89 2011-05-01 01:08:53 <Diablo-D3> is the file in the directory?
 90 2011-05-01 01:08:59 <kika> let me see
 91 2011-05-01 01:09:43 <Diablo-D3> should be a file named commons-cli-1.2.jar
 92 2011-05-01 01:10:12 <kika> i dont have that file wondering which apt-get package has it
 93 2011-05-01 01:10:22 <lulzplzkthx> Still need help on that linkage. :\n464249
 94 2011-05-01 01:10:41 <Diablo-D3> kika: my zip already includes all the jars
 95 2011-05-01 01:10:46 <Diablo-D3> kika: what are you trying to do?
 96 2011-05-01 01:10:58 <kika> yes its there
 97 2011-05-01 01:10:59 <kika> i see
 98 2011-05-01 01:11:25 <kika> ./DiabloMiner-Linux.sh -u username -p password -o btcmine.com -r 8332 -g 5
 99 2011-05-01 01:11:29 <kika> the .jar is there
100 2011-05-01 01:11:37 <kika> on the targets/libs/
101 2011-05-01 01:11:38 <Diablo-D3> how did you unzip the zip?
102 2011-05-01 01:11:46 <kika> unzip DiabloMiner.zip
103 2011-05-01 01:11:53 <kika> maybe i forgot the -r option ?
104 2011-05-01 01:12:01 <Diablo-D3> thats not a problem with the arguments
105 2011-05-01 01:12:33 <Diablo-D3> unzip DiabloMiner.zip should work fine
106 2011-05-01 01:12:37 <Diablo-D3> thats what I use and it works
107 2011-05-01 01:12:46 <Diablo-D3> do java -version
108 2011-05-01 01:12:47 <kika> so i have no idea why its not finding the file
109 2011-05-01 01:12:49 <kika> the file is there
110 2011-05-01 01:13:03 <kika> root@ubuntu:/home/juan/Escritorio# java -version java version "1.5.0" JamVM version 1.5.3
111 2011-05-01 01:13:12 <Diablo-D3> the hell? thats ancient
112 2011-05-01 01:13:29 <kika> which version of java do i need?
113 2011-05-01 01:13:32 <Diablo-D3> apt-get install openjdk-6-jdk
114 2011-05-01 01:13:39 <kika> k
115 2011-05-01 01:13:45 <lulzplzkthx> LOL
116 2011-05-01 01:13:48 <lulzplzkthx> Java 1.5
117 2011-05-01 01:14:03 <kika> Diablo-D3: i got catalyst installed on the ubuntu box ;)
118 2011-05-01 01:14:17 <Diablo-D3> kika: thats easy, you just use the control panel for it
119 2011-05-01 01:14:36 <kika> Diablo-D3: for what? i already installed catalyst
120 2011-05-01 01:14:50 <Diablo-D3> no I mean, to install it, you just use the ubuntu drivers control panel
121 2011-05-01 01:14:54 <lulzplzkthx> 2008?
122 2011-05-01 01:15:14 <kika> Diablo-D3: ah i dont know i just downloaded the .run from the amd website
123 2011-05-01 01:15:18 <Diablo-D3> kika: ARGH
124 2011-05-01 01:15:20 <Diablo-D3> DONT DO THAT
125 2011-05-01 01:15:24 <Diablo-D3> kika: _NEVER_ DO THAT
126 2011-05-01 01:15:24 <kika> why?
127 2011-05-01 01:15:27 <Diablo-D3> it fucks your system up
128 2011-05-01 01:15:32 <kika> WTF
129 2011-05-01 01:15:42 <kika> so how can i uninstall it?
130 2011-05-01 01:15:44 <Diablo-D3> you cant.
131 2011-05-01 01:15:54 <kika> what it fucks up ?
132 2011-05-01 01:15:54 <lulzplzkthx> XD
133 2011-05-01 01:16:02 <Diablo-D3> pretty much everything
134 2011-05-01 01:16:03 <lulzplzkthx> kika: nano *.run and find out
135 2011-05-01 01:16:14 <Diablo-D3> even if its working now, apt-get will happily overwrite your shit
136 2011-05-01 01:16:19 <Diablo-D3> and then X will stop working
137 2011-05-01 01:16:26 <Diablo-D3> _never ever use a binary driver installer from anybody_
138 2011-05-01 01:16:31 <Diablo-D3> not amd, not nvidia
139 2011-05-01 01:16:34 <kika> okay
140 2011-05-01 01:16:36 <retinal> haha
141 2011-05-01 01:16:47 <kika> yes i always try to use packages
142 2011-05-01 01:16:49 <kika> however
143 2011-05-01 01:16:57 <kika> i didnt know there was an apt package for catalyst
144 2011-05-01 01:17:02 <kika> do you know how is it called
145 2011-05-01 01:17:05 <retinal> if it makes you feel any better, I installed catalyst 10.10 from the .run and it works fine for me
146 2011-05-01 01:17:09 <retinal> not a complete fuck-up
147 2011-05-01 01:17:19 <Diablo-D3> kika: on ubuntu, theres a driver control panel, its a 1 click thing
148 2011-05-01 01:17:20 <kika> yes it runs cool for me too
149 2011-05-01 01:17:29 <Diablo-D3> retinal: until it doesnt
150 2011-05-01 01:17:32 <Diablo-D3> do _not_ do that
151 2011-05-01 01:17:48 <Diablo-D3> fglrx is packaged on every major distro, use the fucking packages
152 2011-05-01 01:17:54 <kika> amd should provide an uninstall script weird
153 2011-05-01 01:18:04 <Diablo-D3> kika: they do, but it does exactly what you tell it to.
154 2011-05-01 01:18:23 <retinal> fglrx shat all over the place on ubuntu 10.10 on my install
155 2011-05-01 01:18:24 <kika> Diablo-D3: i want to uninstall it now, so i cant?
156 2011-05-01 01:18:26 <kiba> this is nut
157 2011-05-01 01:18:33 <kiba> an infowar broke out
158 2011-05-01 01:18:47 <kika> eid
159 2011-05-01 01:18:48 <retinal> just listen to Diablo-D3 ;)
160 2011-05-01 01:18:50 <Diablo-D3> kika: you should have asked first.
161 2011-05-01 01:19:04 <Diablo-D3> kiba: orly?
162 2011-05-01 01:19:17 <yn_> yes or no: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7167818&SRCCODE=LINKSHARE&cm_mmc_o=-ddCjC1bELltzywCjC-d2CjCdwwp&AffiliateID=isIkAyUyNbM-37uhx5IP_8SDMThjq6y4QA
163 2011-05-01 01:19:22 <kika> kiba: we have similar nicknames
164 2011-05-01 01:19:33 <retinal> yn_: no
165 2011-05-01 01:19:37 <Diablo-D3> yn_: do not do business with tigerdirect
166 2011-05-01 01:19:42 <Diablo-D3> yn_: they fuck orders up usually
167 2011-05-01 01:19:44 <retinal> ^
168 2011-05-01 01:19:48 <Diablo-D3> also, sparkle sucks dick
169 2011-05-01 01:19:59 <Diablo-D3> one of the worst chinese firecracker brands
170 2011-05-01 01:19:59 <kika> Diablo-D3: diablominer should work still using my catalyst install right
171 2011-05-01 01:20:05 <Diablo-D3> kika: until it doesnt.
172 2011-05-01 01:20:13 <kiba> Diablo-D3: btcex decided to fucked itself and the community by openly engaging in a DDOS against mtgox
173 2011-05-01 01:20:17 <kika> Diablo-D3: why it would not work ? when ?
174 2011-05-01 01:20:30 <yn_> l
175 2011-05-01 01:20:31 <yn_> k
176 2011-05-01 01:20:33 <kika> i wont touch this system anymore
177 2011-05-01 01:20:35 <Diablo-D3> kiba: what the fuck, seriously?
178 2011-05-01 01:20:38 <kiba> now the Russians can't trade Rubs for bitcoin
179 2011-05-01 01:20:46 <kiba> Diablo-D3: WTF of the century
180 2011-05-01 01:20:52 <Diablo-D3> kika: just reinstall ubuntu and try again
181 2011-05-01 01:21:05 <Diablo-D3> kiba: so that explains why mtgox was down
182 2011-05-01 01:21:09 <kiba> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=6864.0
183 2011-05-01 01:21:11 <Diablo-D3> MagicalTux: where are you?
184 2011-05-01 01:21:20 <kika> Diablo-D3: weird
185 2011-05-01 01:21:44 <kika> Diablo-D3: ill just first try diablominer here i cant spend all the time to re-install ubuntu right now
186 2011-05-01 01:21:53 <kika> i want to see how much hashrate i get
187 2011-05-01 01:21:56 <yn_> better: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.620461&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&AID=10440897&PID=404255&SID=193521
188 2011-05-01 01:21:58 <Diablo-D3> kika: what hardware are you on?
189 2011-05-01 01:21:58 <MagicalTux> Diablo-D3: here
190 2011-05-01 01:22:02 <Diablo-D3> MagicalTux: is the above true?
191 2011-05-01 01:22:03 <kika> ati 6990
192 2011-05-01 01:22:13 <kika> Diablo-D3: ati 6990
193 2011-05-01 01:22:27 <kika> Diablo-D3: im the guy that got only 200mhash/s on the 6990 at win 7
194 2011-05-01 01:22:35 <MagicalTux> Diablo-D3: which part?
195 2011-05-01 01:22:46 <kika> Diablo-D3: so im trying it on linux now to see if it performs better
196 2011-05-01 01:22:52 <Diablo-D3> kika: download the 2.4 sdk, unzip it, then do export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/path/to/AMD-APP-SDK-v2.4-lnx64/lib/x86_64/:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH
197 2011-05-01 01:23:06 <Diablo-D3> MagicalTux: btcex's ddos
198 2011-05-01 01:23:08 <kika> Diablo-D3: where i can download the sdk from ?
199 2011-05-01 01:23:12 <Diablo-D3> kika: amd's website
200 2011-05-01 01:23:14 <kika> which sdk? stream sdk 2.4 ?
201 2011-05-01 01:23:18 <MagicalTux> Diablo-D3: I'd guess so
202 2011-05-01 01:23:24 <Diablo-D3> kika: yes, I said 2.4
203 2011-05-01 01:23:33 <kika> oh but its called stream sdk right ?
204 2011-05-01 01:23:33 <MagicalTux> I was warned by the btcex guy ~1 hour before the ddos started
205 2011-05-01 01:23:38 <Diablo-D3> MagicalTux: then you have a new job.
206 2011-05-01 01:23:48 <Diablo-D3> MagicalTux: move the website to rapidxen
207 2011-05-01 01:23:52 <Diablo-D3> and do it now
208 2011-05-01 01:24:08 <MagicalTux> rapidxen provides protection against ddos?
209 2011-05-01 01:24:12 <Diablo-D3> yes.
210 2011-05-01 01:24:43 <lulzplzkthx> Sigh. Nobody knows about this linker problem?
211 2011-05-01 01:24:46 <lulzplzkthx> Or rather, how to fix it?
212 2011-05-01 01:24:48 <Diablo-D3> MagicalTux: rapidxen is basically the best vps provider on the internet
213 2011-05-01 01:25:10 <Diablo-D3> MagicalTux: the guy who owns it takes attacks against his customers seriously.
214 2011-05-01 01:25:27 <Diablo-D3> lulzplzkthx: what linker problem
215 2011-05-01 01:25:28 <Vladimir_> consider asking for advise on webhostingtalk.com  there are lots of pros out there and they will point you to the right solution rehosting
216 2011-05-01 01:25:39 <Diablo-D3> kika: btw, its called AMD APP now, not ati stream
217 2011-05-01 01:25:50 <Diablo-D3> Vladimir_: wht is mostly a joke
218 2011-05-01 01:26:02 <Vladimir_> disagree
219 2011-05-01 01:26:12 <kika> Diablo-D3: cool im d/ling AMD-APP-SDK-v2.4-lnx32.tgz
220 2011-05-01 01:26:20 <kika> that would work i think
221 2011-05-01 01:26:32 <kika> i have core 2 quad, i think my system is 32bit then right ?
222 2011-05-01 01:26:41 <Diablo-D3> kika: you should have installed the amd64 distro.
223 2011-05-01 01:26:49 <Diablo-D3> core2s are amd64.
224 2011-05-01 01:27:06 <kika> i see
225 2011-05-01 01:27:23 <kika> so ill download this one AMD-APP-SDK-v2.4-lnx64.tgz ?
226 2011-05-01 01:27:34 <Diablo-D3> kika: no, you need to match your linux install
227 2011-05-01 01:27:50 <Diablo-D3> its just that you lose about 10-15% performance running ia32 shit on a native amd64 cpu
228 2011-05-01 01:28:23 <kika> is there i comamnd i can run which linux install i run?
229 2011-05-01 01:28:32 <MagicalTux> rapidxen crashed my firefox
230 2011-05-01 01:28:33 <Diablo-D3> uname -a might tell you
231 2011-05-01 01:28:37 <kika> *to know which linux install
232 2011-05-01 01:28:38 <kika> let me see
233 2011-05-01 01:28:45 <Diablo-D3> MagicalTux: works for me
234 2011-05-01 01:29:08 <kika> x86_64
235 2011-05-01 01:29:11 <kika> so i guess im running 64bits mode
236 2011-05-01 01:29:13 <Diablo-D3> kika: yes.
237 2011-05-01 01:29:21 <MagicalTux> might be linked with the fact I'm recompiling my system since yesterday
238 2011-05-01 01:29:22 <Diablo-D3> MagicalTux: heeehhh
239 2011-05-01 01:29:22 <kika> ill just install this one AMD-APP-SDK-v2.4-lnx64.tgz then right?
240 2011-05-01 01:29:26 <doublec> lulzplzkthx: does the file you're linking against exist anywhere?
241 2011-05-01 01:29:34 <Diablo-D3> kika: you dont install it, you unzip it
242 2011-05-01 01:29:50 <kika> Diablo-D3: okay ill unzip it in like 20 min when it finishes downloading hehe
243 2011-05-01 01:29:51 <kika> brb
244 2011-05-01 01:30:13 <doublec> MagicalTux: when you're less busy go to about:crashes in firefox and send  me a link to the crash report
245 2011-05-01 01:30:27 <doublec> MagicalTux: if you want someone to look at it
246 2011-05-01 01:30:37 <MagicalTux> doublec: firefox unfroze
247 2011-05-01 01:30:56 <kika> Diablo-D3: is there anything else i have to download to run diablominer?
248 2011-05-01 01:31:13 <Diablo-D3> kika: not that Im aware of
249 2011-05-01 01:31:34 <kika> Diablo-D3: okay cool so hopefully we will get it working and know my hashrate in the next 30 min brb
250 2011-05-01 01:32:03 <retinal> Diablo-D3: How is your miner /supposed/ to handle driver failures due to overclocking?
251 2011-05-01 01:32:14 <Diablo-D3> retinal: it bitches loudly about it
252 2011-05-01 01:32:24 <retinal> really? haha
253 2011-05-01 01:32:30 <Diablo-D3> unless you really fucked up, and then X just crashes
254 2011-05-01 01:32:37 <retinal> usually java hangs and I have to reboot
255 2011-05-01 01:32:39 <Diablo-D3> although, it'd lockup or crash even if my miner wasnt running
256 2011-05-01 01:32:43 <Diablo-D3> retinal: yeah
257 2011-05-01 01:32:45 <Diablo-D3> thats clearly a driver bug
258 2011-05-01 01:33:02 <Diablo-D3> if you were on windows with one of those 3D apps you use for OC testing, that'd lockup
259 2011-05-01 01:33:17 <Diablo-D3> OC is not exactly a smart thing to do
260 2011-05-01 01:33:33 <retinal> it's a darn shame I can't reach stock 5870 speeds on a 5970, then
261 2011-05-01 01:33:41 <Diablo-D3> you can
262 2011-05-01 01:33:47 <Diablo-D3> you have to increase the voltage
263 2011-05-01 01:33:59 <retinal> excluding that bit ;)
264 2011-05-01 01:34:06 <Diablo-D3> 5970 underclock gpu, memory, and undervolt the gpu
265 2011-05-01 01:34:16 <Diablo-D3> if you crank all of them back up to where they belong, it should be stable
266 2011-05-01 01:34:20 <Diablo-D3> its just also going to be hot as fuck
267 2011-05-01 01:34:40 <retinal> yep, things get really toasty really quick
268 2011-05-01 01:34:55 <retinal> I can use the exhaust to dry my hair or warm up pastries
269 2011-05-01 01:35:10 <Diablo-D3> ja.
270 2011-05-01 01:35:18 <Diablo-D3> if its going over 85c, I can see it start freaking
271 2011-05-01 01:36:21 <retinal> Sensor 0: Temperature - 86.00 C / Sensor 0: Temperature - 84.50 C / Sensor 0: Temperature - 70.50 C / Sensor 0: Temperature - 90.50 C / Sensor 0: Temperature - 90.50 C
272 2011-05-01 01:36:25 <bk128> my crappy non-reference design 5870s with the fan in the middle run at 80C with default clocks and fan speed at 80%
273 2011-05-01 01:36:33 <retinal> the 5870 runs amazingly cool
274 2011-05-01 01:36:39 <Diablo-D3> retinal: yeah, thats entirely too high
275 2011-05-01 01:36:45 <Diablo-D3> >85C is a no no
276 2011-05-01 01:36:54 <Diablo-D3> you'll cook the VRMs that way
277 2011-05-01 01:36:55 <retinal> Diablo-D3: ambient temperature is around 32C
278 2011-05-01 01:37:59 <retinal> well, if I stop all processes, temperatures drop down to <80C in less than a minute
279 2011-05-01 01:38:12 <bk128> is there any way to get them cooler without voiding the warranty and changing the heatsink?
280 2011-05-01 01:38:14 <retinal> and the 5870 drops to <50C
281 2011-05-01 01:38:22 <bk128> I have a 2.5 amp delta fan blowing across mine
282 2011-05-01 01:38:32 <Diablo-D3> bk128: well
283 2011-05-01 01:38:35 <Diablo-D3> you can do it the art way
284 2011-05-01 01:38:41 <Diablo-D3> build a double decker custom case
285 2011-05-01 01:38:45 <Diablo-D3> use industrial 120mm fans
286 2011-05-01 01:38:49 <bk128> I did that.
287 2011-05-01 01:38:54 <Diablo-D3> and strap the thing down so it doesnt fly away
288 2011-05-01 01:39:02 <vorlov> can anyone help plz w/ understanding art's search function
289 2011-05-01 01:39:08 <bk128> They're in a case almost exactly like his with 2 30watt industrial delta fans on it
290 2011-05-01 01:39:11 <bk128> 250cfm each
291 2011-05-01 01:39:27 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: dude, its a pretty normal sha256
292 2011-05-01 01:40:29 <lulzplzkthx> Okay
293 2011-05-01 01:40:30 <lulzplzkthx> Sorry
294 2011-05-01 01:40:44 <vorlov> but how?
295 2011-05-01 01:40:52 <Diablo-D3> but... how... what?
296 2011-05-01 01:40:54 <lulzplzkthx> I'm following BlueMatt's tutorial, and it's saying it can't find -lboost_system-mgw45-mt-s-1_43
297 2011-05-01 01:40:58 <Diablo-D3> he unrolled and hand scheduled the whole thing
298 2011-05-01 01:41:04 <Diablo-D3> lulzplzkthx: because the library doesnt exist.
299 2011-05-01 01:41:04 <lulzplzkthx> Now that is interesting as the one I have says 44, not 45
300 2011-05-01 01:41:09 <lulzplzkthx> Yes, I got that.
301 2011-05-01 01:41:12 <lulzplzkthx> how do I make it exist. :P
302 2011-05-01 01:41:14 <Diablo-D3> change the fucking makefile
303 2011-05-01 01:41:18 <lulzplzkthx> k.
304 2011-05-01 01:41:30 <lulzplzkthx> But I've tried renaming the libraries
305 2011-05-01 01:41:32 <lulzplzkthx> And that didn't help
306 2011-05-01 01:41:35 <lulzplzkthx> So I doubt changing the makefile will
307 2011-05-01 01:41:47 <doublec> lulzplzkthx: don't rename the library, change the makefil
308 2011-05-01 01:41:50 <Diablo-D3> changing the makefile will help when you tell it to use THE RIGHT LIBRARY NAME
309 2011-05-01 01:41:56 <vorlov> ok i understand it was unrolled manually
310 2011-05-01 01:41:58 <Diablo-D3> and also
311 2011-05-01 01:41:58 <vorlov> without looping
312 2011-05-01 01:42:01 <Diablo-D3> WHO THE FUCK
313 2011-05-01 01:42:03 <Diablo-D3> WHO THE FUCK
314 2011-05-01 01:42:06 <Diablo-D3> NAMES A LIBRARY THAT
315 2011-05-01 01:42:12 <Diablo-D3> goddamn fucking boost fags
316 2011-05-01 01:42:14 <Diablo-D3> thats who
317 2011-05-01 01:42:25 <Diablo-D3> they can take their fucking abortion and shove it up their asses
318 2011-05-01 01:42:28 <lulzplzkthx> boost_system-mgw45-mt-s-1_43
319 2011-05-01 01:42:37 <Diablo-D3> its fucking -lboost_system
320 2011-05-01 01:42:39 <lulzplzkthx> Am I looking for a .a or a .dll, or no extension?
321 2011-05-01 01:42:43 <Diablo-D3> not -lboost_system_hi_I_suck_cocks
322 2011-05-01 01:42:48 <Diablo-D3> lulzplzkthx: either
323 2011-05-01 01:43:05 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: are you looking at the opencl kernel?
324 2011-05-01 01:43:09 <lulzplzkthx> I see a .a with 44, but no .dll, that should be okay?
325 2011-05-01 01:43:16 <Diablo-D3> lulzplzkthx: yes, its a static library then
326 2011-05-01 01:43:16 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: yes
327 2011-05-01 01:43:22 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: what part arent you getting then?
328 2011-05-01 01:43:22 <vorlov> and also got the FIPS manual for SHA
329 2011-05-01 01:43:35 <lulzplzkthx> Awesome, that worked. Thanks.
330 2011-05-01 01:43:38 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: it sounds like you dont understand opencl, go read the opencl programmers manual
331 2011-05-01 01:43:44 <lulzplzkthx> I had renamed int he wrong folder.
332 2011-05-01 01:43:50 <lulzplzkthx> So the makefile change worked.
333 2011-05-01 01:43:57 <vorlov> so we'll continue here
334 2011-05-01 01:44:22 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: okay, i will go read the opencl manual
335 2011-05-01 01:44:29 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: opencl works like this... you have a kernel. you tell opencl to run the kernel x times.
336 2011-05-01 01:44:34 <Diablo-D3> it does so in parallel
337 2011-05-01 01:44:53 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: what I dont understand are the arguments?
338 2011-05-01 01:44:59 <vorlov> of the serach function
339 2011-05-01 01:45:01 <Diablo-D3> his arguments are rather nuts
340 2011-05-01 01:45:18 <Diablo-D3> hes basically taken everything out that he can
341 2011-05-01 01:45:44 <Diablo-D3> everything that only needs to be calculated once (instead of per hash) has been moved to the host code
342 2011-05-01 01:46:15 <vorlov> host code you mean a code like yours or pocl?
343 2011-05-01 01:46:18 <Diablo-D3> yeah
344 2011-05-01 01:46:39 <vorlov> so now let me get it right
345 2011-05-01 01:46:52 <vorlov> his search function produces an shae256(sha256(header) with each nonce possible?
346 2011-05-01 01:46:57 <vorlov> putting it all into the output buffer?
347 2011-05-01 01:46:59 <Diablo-D3> no
348 2011-05-01 01:47:08 <vorlov> ok....?
349 2011-05-01 01:47:13 <Diablo-D3> the function runs on ONE nonce
350 2011-05-01 01:47:25 <Diablo-D3> and then puts the output in a buffer if the output is possibly viable
351 2011-05-01 01:47:47 <Diablo-D3> now, in my copy of it, I actually do microloop in the function
352 2011-05-01 01:47:55 <Diablo-D3> but thats an optimization that doesnt change the code
353 2011-05-01 01:48:34 <vorlov> okay now back to the args
354 2011-05-01 01:48:39 <vorlov> what do they represent?
355 2011-05-01 01:48:48 <vorlov> what are the states? are these the bytes in midstate?
356 2011-05-01 01:48:58 <vorlov> what are B1,C1,D1 etc?
357 2011-05-01 01:50:12 <Diablo-D3> https://github.com/Diablo-D3/DiabloMiner/blob/5d07458edd761f9db3e2e249ee8f319e90029db9/src/main/resources/DiabloMiner.cl
358 2011-05-01 01:50:18 <Diablo-D3> thats the old poclbm-like kernel
359 2011-05-01 01:50:27 <Diablo-D3> its more straightforward
360 2011-05-01 01:50:42 <vorlov> i understand its the old straightforward kernel
361 2011-05-01 01:50:50 <vorlov> but its not your version of it that i dont understand
362 2011-05-01 01:50:55 <vorlov> its both of them, your and the original that i dont get
363 2011-05-01 01:51:06 <vorlov> i dont understand the conx between the arguments and the sha256 algorithm
364 2011-05-01 01:51:12 <Diablo-D3> well
365 2011-05-01 01:51:17 <Diablo-D3> sha256 has an internal state
366 2011-05-01 01:52:00 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: look at the url I pasted
367 2011-05-01 01:52:10 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: o i c now.... you cleaned up the kernel
368 2011-05-01 01:52:19 <Diablo-D3> nope, didnt clean it up
369 2011-05-01 01:52:19 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: ill be back in a lil, ill go study yours
370 2011-05-01 01:52:24 <Diablo-D3> thats about 3% slower than art's
371 2011-05-01 01:52:32 <Diablo-D3> but its easier to read
372 2011-05-01 01:52:40 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: why is it slower?
373 2011-05-01 01:52:47 <Diablo-D3> block0 through 2 are data from the bitcoin header
374 2011-05-01 01:53:05 <Diablo-D3> state0 through 7 are the sha256 output state
375 2011-05-01 01:53:10 <Diablo-D3> err
376 2011-05-01 01:53:22 <Diablo-D3> yeah thats right
377 2011-05-01 01:53:41 <Diablo-D3> and A1 through H1 are from the midstate
378 2011-05-01 01:53:44 <kika> Diablo-D3: where i need to unzip the sdk ?
379 2011-05-01 01:53:48 <Diablo-D3> kika: anywhere
380 2011-05-01 01:53:56 <Diablo-D3> kika: as long as its not /
381 2011-05-01 01:54:11 <vorlov> and base?...
382 2011-05-01 01:54:15 <vorlov> is the nonce?
383 2011-05-01 01:54:19 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: the start of the nonce range
384 2011-05-01 01:54:49 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: on the new kernel, state0 through 7 and A1 through H1 do the same thing
385 2011-05-01 01:54:57 <kika> Diablo-D3: done now?
386 2011-05-01 01:55:17 <kika> Diablo-D3: i need to run ./configure && make && make install ?
387 2011-05-01 01:55:23 <kika> on the sdk ?
388 2011-05-01 01:55:27 <Diablo-D3> kika: no
389 2011-05-01 01:55:33 <Diablo-D3> kika: dont run make on the sdk
390 2011-05-01 01:55:43 <kika> Diablo-D3: okay, what i need to do now then ?
391 2011-05-01 01:55:56 <Diablo-D3> kika: cd / && sudo tar zxvf /path/to/AMD-APP-2.4/icd-registration.tgz
392 2011-05-01 01:56:01 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: b0,b1,b2 aren't they each 4bytes? unsigned int?
393 2011-05-01 01:56:08 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: they're all uints.
394 2011-05-01 01:56:19 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: sha256 uses uints everywhere
395 2011-05-01 01:56:20 <kika> Diablo-D3: done
396 2011-05-01 01:56:40 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: is unit 4 bytes? 32 bits?
397 2011-05-01 01:56:41 <Diablo-D3> kika: then do export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/path/to/AMD-APP-SDK-v2.4-lnx64/lib/x86_64/:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH
398 2011-05-01 01:56:45 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: yes.
399 2011-05-01 01:57:04 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: so how does the block header fit in 12 bytes?
400 2011-05-01 01:57:09 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: it doesnt.
401 2011-05-01 01:57:22 <kika> k
402 2011-05-01 01:57:25 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: its an 80 byte header, and the first 64 are already done
403 2011-05-01 01:57:43 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: what do u mean already done?
404 2011-05-01 01:57:54 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: bitcoind already does the first half of the first sha256
405 2011-05-01 01:58:04 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: it hands you the state in the midstate argument
406 2011-05-01 01:58:19 <kika> Diablo-D3: done now i run diablominer.sh ?
407 2011-05-01 01:58:24 <Diablo-D3> kika: yes
408 2011-05-01 01:58:29 <kika> ok let me try cool
409 2011-05-01 01:58:42 <Diablo-D3> kika: btw, you have to run that export command in every new xterm you use
410 2011-05-01 01:58:43 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: so bitcoind does 32 rounds out of the 64 on the data?
411 2011-05-01 01:58:53 <kika> Exception in thread "main" org.lwjgl.LWJGLException: Could not locate OpenCL library
412 2011-05-01 01:59:06 <Diablo-D3> kika: you didnt do the export right
413 2011-05-01 01:59:06 <FellowTraveler> I think the purpose of banning bitcoin from paypal is to make all of the transactions in the blockchain matchable to their corresponding paypal transactions that will now be forced to occur over the counter, user to user.
414 2011-05-01 01:59:17 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: no
415 2011-05-01 01:59:24 <kika> export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/root/Descargas/AMD-APP-SDK-v2.4-lnx64/lib/x86_64/:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH
416 2011-05-01 01:59:32 <FellowTraveler> bitcoin is now more traceable as a result.
417 2011-05-01 01:59:40 <kika> i need to do the export every time before run diablominer?
418 2011-05-01 01:59:53 <Diablo-D3> kika: no, just everytime you open a new xterm
419 2011-05-01 01:59:57 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: see, sha256 works like this
420 2011-05-01 02:00:07 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: every 64 bytes you need 64 rounds
421 2011-05-01 02:00:16 <kika> Diablo-D3: weird im getting [1/05/11 1:00:04] ERROR: Invalid block found on Cayman (#2), possible driver or hardware issue
422 2011-05-01 02:00:21 <kika> LOOTS MANY OF THEM
423 2011-05-01 02:00:28 <forrestv> i get a couple of them
424 2011-05-01 02:00:41 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: bitcoind does the first 64 on the inside sha256
425 2011-05-01 02:00:49 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: you can optimize away about 3 and a half of them
426 2011-05-01 02:01:08 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: so bitcoin does 64, the host code does another 3.5, and then you hand it to the kenrel
427 2011-05-01 02:01:23 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: then the kernel does about 122 of them, and skips the last 3
428 2011-05-01 02:01:34 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: that 122 includes the 64 for the outside sha256
429 2011-05-01 02:01:40 <kika> Diablo-D3: it finds two caymans but cayman #2 throws that error, a million times
430 2011-05-01 02:01:46 <Diablo-D3> kika: thats "normal"
431 2011-05-01 02:01:54 <Diablo-D3> kika: crossfire is 100% broken with opencl
432 2011-05-01 02:02:05 <kika> Diablo-D3: i only have one 6990 gpu
433 2011-05-01 02:02:18 <Diablo-D3> kika: its still crossfire, thats two gpus
434 2011-05-01 02:02:22 <kika> Diablo-D3: and what more i need to do? disable crossfire?
435 2011-05-01 02:02:35 <Diablo-D3> kika: run sudo aticonfig --adapter=all --initial -f
436 2011-05-01 02:02:38 <Diablo-D3> kika: then restart X
437 2011-05-01 02:02:42 <kika> k
438 2011-05-01 02:02:49 <kika> to restart x there is a command?
439 2011-05-01 02:02:56 <Diablo-D3> just logout and log back in
440 2011-05-01 02:03:00 <Diablo-D3> it should restart X
441 2011-05-01 02:03:04 <kika> ok
442 2011-05-01 02:03:11 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: what are those 3.5 and wat r those 122? im not getting it
443 2011-05-01 02:03:16 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: rounds
444 2011-05-01 02:03:20 <kika> root@ubuntu:~# sudo aticonfig --adapter=all --initial -f Uninitialised file found, configuring. Using /etc/X11/xorg.conf Saving back-up to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.fglrx-1
445 2011-05-01 02:03:25 <kika> is that okay? Diablo-D3
446 2011-05-01 02:03:28 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: but y 3.5 122?
447 2011-05-01 02:03:30 <Diablo-D3> kika: yes
448 2011-05-01 02:03:37 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: like I said every 64 bytes takes 64 rounds
449 2011-05-01 02:03:53 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: the inner sha256, because the header is 80 bytes long, takes 128 rounds
450 2011-05-01 02:03:58 <kika> k going to restart X brb
451 2011-05-01 02:03:58 <LightRider> When are we going to be able to send bitcoin directly to an IPv6 address?
452 2011-05-01 02:04:09 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: bitcoind itself does the first 64, and hands you the midstate
453 2011-05-01 02:04:24 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: any given miner has to do the next 64, and then the 64 of the outer sha256
454 2011-05-01 02:05:30 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: art's kernel takes apart most of the math for the first few rounds
455 2011-05-01 02:05:52 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: about 3.5s rounds worth is only done once instead of per nonce
456 2011-05-01 02:06:08 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: it then skips the last 3 of the outside sha256 because we dont need it to see if H==0
457 2011-05-01 02:06:59 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: why do we not care about H==0
458 2011-05-01 02:07:00 <vorlov> ?
459 2011-05-01 02:07:09 <Diablo-D3> we only need to see if H==0
460 2011-05-01 02:07:14 <Diablo-D3> we dont care about the rest of the result
461 2011-05-01 02:07:20 <Diablo-D3> the whole exercise of the kernel is JUST that.
462 2011-05-01 02:08:46 <lulzplzkthx> is there an extra switch to compile bitcoind.exe as well instead of just "make -f makefile.mingw"?
463 2011-05-01 02:08:58 <Diablo-D3> lulzplzkthx: make -f makefile.mingw bitcoind
464 2011-05-01 02:09:34 <lulzplzkthx> thanks
465 2011-05-01 02:09:42 <gribble> (bc,gen <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "echo The expected generation output, at $1 Khps, given current difficulty of [bc,diff], is [math calc 50*24*60*60 / (1/((2**224-1)/[bc,diff]*$1*1000/2**256))] BTC per day and [math calc 50*60*60 / (1/((2**224-1)/[bc,diff]*$1*1000/2**256))] BTC per hour.".
466 2011-05-01 02:09:42 <LightRider> ;;bc,gen
467 2011-05-01 02:09:49 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: lets start over if you dont mind... when i get the data from bitcoind - its done the first 64 rounds on the whole header? the whole 80 bytes?
468 2011-05-01 02:09:59 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: no, just the first 64 bytes
469 2011-05-01 02:10:04 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: thats how sha256 works
470 2011-05-01 02:10:07 <kika> Diablo-D3: it doesnt throws the error now, i restarted the whole system... however im getting only 200.000 khash/s
471 2011-05-01 02:10:14 <kika> it says
472 2011-05-01 02:10:15 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: you feed it 64 bytes at a time, it does 64 rounds on it
473 2011-05-01 02:10:16 <LightRider> ;;bc,gen 25000
474 2011-05-01 02:10:18 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 25000 Khps, given current difficulty of 109670.13329248 , is 0.229284936197 BTC per day and 0.00955353900823 BTC per hour.
475 2011-05-01 02:10:21 <lulzplzkthx> Got the Send Bitcoins from icon down.
476 2011-05-01 02:10:28 <Diablo-D3> kika: theres something very wrong with the driver then.
477 2011-05-01 02:10:29 <lulzplzkthx> now I just have to get the balance to appear in the tooltip.
478 2011-05-01 02:10:40 <Diablo-D3> kika: you're not the only person to report absurd 6990 performance
479 2011-05-01 02:10:51 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: so to do the remainder 16 bytes we need to pad it to 64 bytes and run 64 rounds on them... what's the 3.5 you are referring to?
480 2011-05-01 02:11:11 <kika> it says... 230000/2300240 khash/sec
481 2011-05-01 02:11:17 <kika> that means each gpu is at 200.000 khash ?
482 2011-05-01 02:11:23 <Diablo-D3> kika: no
483 2011-05-01 02:11:35 <Diablo-D3> kika: er, are you sure you copied that right?
484 2011-05-01 02:11:43 <lulzplzkthx> the last one appears to have a typo
485 2011-05-01 02:11:48 <Diablo-D3> kika: 2300240 == 2 ghah/sec
486 2011-05-01 02:11:49 <lulzplzkthx> Unless you have 2,300 khash/s
487 2011-05-01 02:11:50 <kika> Diablo-D3: its not allowing me to copy it
488 2011-05-01 02:12:02 <lulzplzkthx> 2,300,000 khash/s*
489 2011-05-01 02:12:04 <Diablo-D3> kika: control-c, select, middle click
490 2011-05-01 02:12:08 <kika> its getting 230.000/220.000 khash/s
491 2011-05-01 02:12:18 <kika> 230121/233151 khash/sec
492 2011-05-01 02:12:24 <Diablo-D3> kika: btw, the numbers are (15 second average)/(forever average)
493 2011-05-01 02:12:28 <kika> 230121/233151 khash/sec
494 2011-05-01 02:12:36 <Diablo-D3> yeah, thats very slow
495 2011-05-01 02:12:36 <LightRider> ;;bc,gen 1050
496 2011-05-01 02:12:37 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1050 Khps, given current difficulty of 109670.13329248 , is 0.00962996732029 BTC per day and 0.000401248638345 BTC per hour.
497 2011-05-01 02:12:37 <kika> i see
498 2011-05-01 02:12:38 <Diablo-D3> it shouldnt be
499 2011-05-01 02:12:47 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: btw, yes, it pads it
500 2011-05-01 02:12:55 <kika> is there any way to can make this more quick? downgrading drivers or something?
501 2011-05-01 02:13:00 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: the 3.5 is the first rounds after the 64
502 2011-05-01 02:13:07 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: 65, 66, 67 or so
503 2011-05-01 02:13:20 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: the math that is redundant on further attempts has been moved in to the host code
504 2011-05-01 02:13:27 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: its worth about 3.5 rounds
505 2011-05-01 02:13:35 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: its still executed, but its executed only once
506 2011-05-01 02:13:47 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: i dont understand what these 3.5 rounds are
507 2011-05-01 02:13:49 <kika> Diablo-D3: can i do something to fix this? maybe a driver downgrade or something ?
508 2011-05-01 02:13:51 <vorlov> where are they coming from
509 2011-05-01 02:14:04 <vorlov> the firdst 64 rounds i understand, the second i understand as ewll
510 2011-05-01 02:14:13 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: then we get these 3.5 rounds that i'm completely lost about
511 2011-05-01 02:14:34 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: okay, which part did you get lost?
512 2011-05-01 02:14:35 <lulzplzkthx> How can I rollback one file that I "git rm"'d?
513 2011-05-01 02:14:50 <lulzplzkthx> I meant to remove it from git, not delete the file. >_>
514 2011-05-01 02:14:54 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: sha256(sha256(80 bytes)) requires 192 rounds
515 2011-05-01 02:15:12 <kika> Diablo-D3: is this command line the best for me? ./DiabloMiner-Linux.sh -u username -p password -o btcmine.com -r 8332 -g 5 ?
516 2011-05-01 02:15:13 <Diablo-D3> lulzplzkthx: restore it from git
517 2011-05-01 02:15:17 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: why 192 and not 256 rounds?
518 2011-05-01 02:15:23 <lulzplzkthx> I'm unsure of how to restore a single file.
519 2011-05-01 02:15:25 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: we have 4 times 64 bytes
520 2011-05-01 02:15:32 <lulzplzkthx> I'll google it.
521 2011-05-01 02:15:33 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: because the outside sha256 is not hashing the header
522 2011-05-01 02:15:42 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: its hashing the output of the inner sha256
523 2011-05-01 02:15:42 <vorlov> oh?!
524 2011-05-01 02:15:51 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: oh.... lightbulb
525 2011-05-01 02:15:56 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: sha256 outputs 32 bytes
526 2011-05-01 02:16:20 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: okay now im following, 192 rounds
527 2011-05-01 02:16:23 <vorlov> for 3 X 64 bytes
528 2011-05-01 02:16:32 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: now, bitcoind does the first 64, and hands us the midstate
529 2011-05-01 02:16:32 <vorlov> so the first 64 were done by bitcoind
530 2011-05-01 02:16:49 <Diablo-D3> we then need to do the next 64 rounds, and then the 64 rounds for the outer sha256
531 2011-05-01 02:17:17 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: okay so we have 128 rounds left to do
532 2011-05-01 02:17:19 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: now what?
533 2011-05-01 02:17:53 <Diablo-D3> now, the next 3 rounds (give or take) will always produce the same exact output
534 2011-05-01 02:17:58 <Diablo-D3> because our input isnt changing
535 2011-05-01 02:18:08 <Diablo-D3> doing those repeatedly on every kernel run makes no sense
536 2011-05-01 02:18:13 <vorlov> this is the first 3 of the second sha256?
537 2011-05-01 02:18:24 <Diablo-D3> no, the first 3 rounds of the second half of the first sha256
538 2011-05-01 02:18:30 <vorlov> i see
539 2011-05-01 02:18:31 <vorlov> ok
540 2011-05-01 02:18:32 <Diablo-D3> its rounds 65, 66, 67 give or take
541 2011-05-01 02:18:36 <vorlov> yes okay
542 2011-05-01 02:18:39 <vorlov> i understand, continue
543 2011-05-01 02:18:54 <Diablo-D3> art took apart those rounds and took all the redundant math out and put it in the host code
544 2011-05-01 02:19:01 <Diablo-D3> this is worth about 3 and a half rounds
545 2011-05-01 02:19:11 <vorlov> why half?
546 2011-05-01 02:19:16 <Diablo-D3> eh, its not a complete round
547 2011-05-01 02:19:29 <vorlov> okay
548 2011-05-01 02:19:35 <Diablo-D3> its just how it ended up appearing
549 2011-05-01 02:19:46 <Diablo-D3> anything that produced redundant math and could be precalcuated, it was moved
550 2011-05-01 02:20:00 <Diablo-D3> the rounds are still done, its just done in a more intelligent way
551 2011-05-01 02:20:09 <Diablo-D3> the rest of the second half is done noramlly
552 2011-05-01 02:20:22 <Diablo-D3> then, it sets the state up to do the last 64 rounds
553 2011-05-01 02:20:28 <Diablo-D3> it does those normally
554 2011-05-01 02:20:41 <Diablo-D3> it then does NOT do the last 3 rounds
555 2011-05-01 02:20:53 <Diablo-D3> we only do up to the point it sets H
556 2011-05-01 02:21:13 <Diablo-D3> we're not interested in the rest of the hash
557 2011-05-01 02:21:14 <Diablo-D3> just H
558 2011-05-01 02:21:46 <lulzplzkthx> how can I keep git from tracking a file?
559 2011-05-01 02:21:53 <Diablo-D3> lulzplzkthx: git rm it.
560 2011-05-01 02:22:13 <lulzplzkthx> git rm tells me it doesn't work and that i need to either --cache or -f
561 2011-05-01 02:22:17 <lulzplzkthx> both of which do unwanted things
562 2011-05-01 02:22:17 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: do we only care about H becuz our difficulty has 0 in the first 7 words?
563 2011-05-01 02:22:25 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: no
564 2011-05-01 02:22:25 <lulzplzkthx> cache removes from git totally, -f deletes the file
565 2011-05-01 02:22:29 <lulzplzkthx> i want it to not track makefile.mingw
566 2011-05-01 02:22:33 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: you're reading the target backwards, its a little endian number
567 2011-05-01 02:23:04 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: the first int (the last 16 digits of a hex little endian number) are all 0
568 2011-05-01 02:23:29 <kika> Diablo-D3: by running diablominer using -f 1 the hasrate goes up to 442939/438757 khash
569 2011-05-01 02:23:44 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: so, for any hash that has a difficulty of at least 1, H will always == 0
570 2011-05-01 02:23:52 <Diablo-D3> kika: try -w 256
571 2011-05-01 02:23:58 <kika> Diablo-D3: im running it this way ./DiabloMiner-Linux.sh -u username -p password -o btcmine.com -r 8332 -g 5 what command line do you recommend me to use to get the best hashrate for ati 6990 ?
572 2011-05-01 02:24:13 <kika> -f 1 -w 256 ?
573 2011-05-01 02:24:16 <Diablo-D3> kika: yes
574 2011-05-01 02:24:20 <kika> both of those?
575 2011-05-01 02:24:22 <lulzplzkthx> Any idea to what I want Diablo-D3 ?
576 2011-05-01 02:24:24 <Diablo-D3> kika: yes
577 2011-05-01 02:24:29 <Diablo-D3> lulzplzkthx: I'd just do git rm
578 2011-05-01 02:24:35 <lulzplzkthx> As I said, that doesn't work correctly. :S
579 2011-05-01 02:24:39 <Diablo-D3> lulzplzkthx: if the file was never tracked to begin with, I'd add it to .gitignore
580 2011-05-01 02:24:48 <lulzplzkthx> it tells me I need to --cache or -f
581 2011-05-01 02:24:51 <lulzplzkthx> -f actually deletes it.
582 2011-05-01 02:24:56 <lulzplzkthx> --cache deletes it from git
583 2011-05-01 02:25:04 <Diablo-D3> lulzplzkthx: yes, -f actually deletes it, obviously you make a copy of it.
584 2011-05-01 02:25:16 <lulzplzkthx> Sigh.
585 2011-05-01 02:25:19 <lulzplzkthx> Where?
586 2011-05-01 02:25:24 <lulzplzkthx> Okay, I understand.
587 2011-05-01 02:25:28 <Diablo-D3> you copy it before you git rm -f
588 2011-05-01 02:25:52 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: btw, H being == 0 is a 1 in 2^32 chance
589 2011-05-01 02:26:08 <lulzplzkthx> That also commits the deletion to git
590 2011-05-01 02:26:09 <lulzplzkthx> # deleted: makefile.mingw
591 2011-05-01 02:26:16 <Diablo-D3> lulzplzkthx: no, it adds it to your things waiting to be committed
592 2011-05-01 02:26:44 <Diablo-D3> git commit thefile (or commit -a) commits it
593 2011-05-01 02:26:56 <lulzplzkthx> git commit -a plans to commit many things
594 2011-05-01 02:27:00 <lulzplzkthx> if I rm it
595 2011-05-01 02:27:02 <Diablo-D3> -a is for all
596 2011-05-01 02:27:07 <lulzplzkthx> it plans to commit a deletion of the file, ui.cpp, and ui.h
597 2011-05-01 02:27:18 <Diablo-D3> you can do git commit file alone
598 2011-05-01 02:27:20 <lulzplzkthx> so i should just git commit ui.h ui.cpp ?
599 2011-05-01 02:27:25 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: i think i managed to get confused again... why do we care only about H?
600 2011-05-01 02:27:33 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: because thats how we look for hashes
601 2011-05-01 02:27:39 <lulzplzkthx> That works. Thanks.
602 2011-05-01 02:28:01 <B0g4r7> If H == 0 then the solution warrants further instepction.
603 2011-05-01 02:28:06 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: any hash that has a difficulty of 1 or above, the first int is 0, ie, H == 0
604 2011-05-01 02:28:39 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: yes so if H == 0 why do we want that part of the hash?
605 2011-05-01 02:28:50 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: if H == 0, we send the nonce back to the host code
606 2011-05-01 02:29:28 <B0g4r7> Further evaluation of the solution the happens on the CPU.
607 2011-05-01 02:29:28 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: if H != 0, then the difficulty is below 1, and its totally useless
608 2011-05-01 02:29:36 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: okay i get it
609 2011-05-01 02:29:39 <B0g4r7> And if it is indeed a valid solution, it gets submitted.
610 2011-05-01 02:29:45 <Diablo-D3> yeah what B0g4r7 said
611 2011-05-01 02:30:13 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: and the last 3 rounds of our second 64 rounds produce the ab,c,d,e... etc while we already ahve our H which is what we care about...?
612 2011-05-01 02:30:21 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: yes
613 2011-05-01 02:30:29 <Diablo-D3> theres no point in completing the hash, we dont store it
614 2011-05-01 02:30:46 <B0g4r7> That's a clever shortcut.
615 2011-05-01 02:30:56 <Diablo-D3> B0g4r7: no
616 2011-05-01 02:31:00 <Diablo-D3> what art did at the start is clever
617 2011-05-01 02:31:16 <B0g4r7> do tell
618 2011-05-01 02:31:16 <Diablo-D3> I understand how sha256 works, his modification is rather clever
619 2011-05-01 02:31:17 <kika> Diablo-D3: now it hashes at 400 mhash on average using -f 1 -w 256 the card does lots of noice lol
620 2011-05-01 02:31:24 <lulzplzkthx> Nobody else has this bug? http://prntscr.com/1ta30
621 2011-05-01 02:31:26 <Diablo-D3> kika: thats still 200 mhash/sec short
622 2011-05-01 02:31:42 <Diablo-D3> lulzplzkthx: it looks like a rather normal box
623 2011-05-01 02:31:48 <lulzplzkthx> See the squished buttons?
624 2011-05-01 02:31:52 <lulzplzkthx> I'm mild OCd.
625 2011-05-01 02:31:53 <lulzplzkthx> OCD*
626 2011-05-01 02:31:56 <Diablo-D3> oh, thats just wx being retarded
627 2011-05-01 02:32:01 <Diablo-D3> wx is the worst fucking thing ever
628 2011-05-01 02:32:01 <kika> Diablo-D3: that means 448766/435034 khash/sec is still slow for me ?
629 2011-05-01 02:32:05 <lulzplzkthx> I'm looking to try and find a way to fix it.
630 2011-05-01 02:32:07 <Diablo-D3> kika: yup, and its a driver bug.
631 2011-05-01 02:32:08 <lulzplzkthx> is a static setSize bad?
632 2011-05-01 02:32:13 <Diablo-D3> lulzplzkthx: yes.
633 2011-05-01 02:32:16 <Diablo-D3> actually
634 2011-05-01 02:32:18 <kika> Diablo-D3: and how i can solve this ? downgrade?
635 2011-05-01 02:32:19 <Diablo-D3> using wx itself is bad
636 2011-05-01 02:32:27 <Diablo-D3> kika: bitch at AMD until they fix it
637 2011-05-01 02:32:29 <lulzplzkthx> Okay, is using SetSize worse than using wx?
638 2011-05-01 02:32:39 <Diablo-D3> lulzplzkthx: polishing a turd is also bad.
639 2011-05-01 02:32:41 <kika> Diablo-D3: but i dont understand, this used to work ?
640 2011-05-01 02:32:49 <lulzplzkthx> ffs
641 2011-05-01 02:32:50 <Diablo-D3> kika: are you sure it idd?
642 2011-05-01 02:32:52 <lulzplzkthx> Diablo-D3: real answer please? lol
643 2011-05-01 02:32:57 <Diablo-D3> lulzplzkthx: I wouldnt bother fixing it
644 2011-05-01 02:33:00 <kika> Diablo-D3: whats idd ?
645 2011-05-01 02:33:02 <lulzplzkthx> Why?
646 2011-05-01 02:33:03 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: so now u said block 0,1,2 are the header... the remainder i understand but they only give u 12 bytes worth.... where are the extra 4?
647 2011-05-01 02:33:07 <Diablo-D3> kika: er, did
648 2011-05-01 02:33:08 <lulzplzkthx> I need it to be fixed. >_<
649 2011-05-01 02:33:28 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: nonce
650 2011-05-01 02:33:36 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: oh
651 2011-05-01 02:33:37 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: nonce is byte 80
652 2011-05-01 02:33:38 <kika> Diablo-D3: if i downgrade the sdk ?
653 2011-05-01 02:33:42 <Diablo-D3> err
654 2011-05-01 02:33:46 <Diablo-D3> the last 4 bytes
655 2011-05-01 02:33:46 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: dumb me
656 2011-05-01 02:33:50 <Diablo-D3> its int 20
657 2011-05-01 02:34:04 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: so theres only 12 bytes (3 ints) to drag in
658 2011-05-01 02:34:07 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: so basically block0,block1,block2,none gives us whats left of the header that was n't rounded....
659 2011-05-01 02:34:13 <Diablo-D3> kika: downgrading the sdk is not recommended.
660 2011-05-01 02:34:16 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: yes
661 2011-05-01 02:34:20 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: i see now
662 2011-05-01 02:34:31 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: btw thank u for going with me step by step.... im slow but the lightbulbs are lighting up
663 2011-05-01 02:34:37 <Diablo-D3> kika: you can try using 11.3 or 11.2
664 2011-05-01 02:34:42 <Diablo-D3> kika: but 6990 support is recent
665 2011-05-01 02:34:48 <Diablo-D3> kika: Im not sure which driver introduced it
666 2011-05-01 02:35:02 <kika> Diablo-D3: which one you would recommend 11.2 or 11.3 ?
667 2011-05-01 02:35:13 <Diablo-D3> kika: try 11.3 first then 11.2
668 2011-05-01 02:35:19 <kika> okay
669 2011-05-01 02:35:33 <Diablo-D3> kika: also, Im pretty sure sdk 2.3 wont work on a 6990
670 2011-05-01 02:35:34 <kika> so this time i need to innstall catalyst 11.3 using the package manager right ?
671 2011-05-01 02:35:40 <Diablo-D3> kika: no
672 2011-05-01 02:35:44 <Diablo-D3> you already borked your machine
673 2011-05-01 02:35:47 <Diablo-D3> use the .run again
674 2011-05-01 02:35:59 <kika> Diablo-D3: so basically ill download the 11.3 run and then run it ?
675 2011-05-01 02:36:04 <Diablo-D3> yes
676 2011-05-01 02:36:06 <kika> k
677 2011-05-01 02:36:19 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: art's kernel is about as optimized as its going to get
678 2011-05-01 02:36:25 <kika> are you sure that will downgrade it? wouldnt it be better of i re-install the whole system ?
679 2011-05-01 02:36:37 <Diablo-D3> kika: ubuntu doesnt package drivers new enough
680 2011-05-01 02:37:11 <kika> Diablo-D3: so it would be okay to run 11.3 without re-install the whole system first to downgrade it?
681 2011-05-01 02:37:17 <kika> are you sure?
682 2011-05-01 02:38:16 <kika> Diablo-D3: i can keep using 2.4 sdk and catalyst 11.3 ?
683 2011-05-01 02:38:26 <kika> or i need to downgrade the sdk too ?
684 2011-05-01 02:38:36 <Diablo-D3> kika: no, keep 2.4
685 2011-05-01 02:38:40 <kika> k
686 2011-05-01 02:38:47 <kika> ill download and run 11.3 now
687 2011-05-01 02:38:52 <kika> then ill do the same for 11.2
688 2011-05-01 02:38:56 <kika> then if nothing of those work
689 2011-05-01 02:39:01 <kika> ill re-install ubuntu
690 2011-05-01 02:39:06 <kika> and install 11.3 via run
691 2011-05-01 02:39:10 <kika> and if that doesnt work
692 2011-05-01 02:39:22 <kika> ill re-install ubuntu and install 11.2 via run
693 2011-05-01 02:39:28 <Diablo-D3> dont reinstall ubuntu
694 2011-05-01 02:39:31 <Diablo-D3> just keep running the runs
695 2011-05-01 02:39:41 <kika> ok, are you sure that will downgrade? okay
696 2011-05-01 02:39:43 <kika> cool
697 2011-05-01 02:41:44 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: im sorry to ask the same question again but my irc log doesn't go far enough
698 2011-05-01 02:41:52 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: what do B1,C1,D1 etc stand for
699 2011-05-01 02:43:01 <kika> Diablo-D3: using -w 256 and -g 5 it gives me 544717/523222 khash/sec
700 2011-05-01 02:43:30 <kika> Diablo-D3: that means to calculate how many btc's i might earn, i can place on this calculator http://www.alloscomp.com/bitcoin/calculator.php 544717 khash/s ?
701 2011-05-01 02:44:35 <lulzplzkthx> would someone mind sending me a bitcent to test something?
702 2011-05-01 02:44:51 <lulzplzkthx> Or even, does someone want me to send them a bitcent? Heh.
703 2011-05-01 02:45:03 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: nm i got it... its the 3 rotations
704 2011-05-01 02:45:30 <lulzplzkthx> Never mind.
705 2011-05-01 02:45:46 <lulzplzkthx> perfect.
706 2011-05-01 02:46:06 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: its part of the output state from the first half
707 2011-05-01 02:46:20 <Diablo-D3> kika: -g doesnt do what you think
708 2011-05-01 02:46:20 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: thank u
709 2011-05-01 02:46:30 <kika> Diablo-D3: i dont know what -g does, i just taked it off
710 2011-05-01 02:46:59 <kika> Diablo-D3: running with -w 256 alone gives me 544717 khash/s i can place that amount on the bitcoin calculator to calculate my possible earnings?
711 2011-05-01 02:47:15 <Diablo-D3> kika: sure
712 2011-05-01 02:47:23 <Diablo-D3> btw, -g just controls how many seconds it takes to do getwork
713 2011-05-01 02:47:39 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: would using loops in opencl slow the kernel even further than those 3%
714 2011-05-01 02:47:41 <vorlov> ?
715 2011-05-01 02:48:08 <kika> Diablo-D3: so basically diablominer is telling me 544717 khash/s and the calculator tells me in average i would take Average
716 2011-05-01 02:48:17 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: my version of art's kernel DOES allow loops
717 2011-05-01 02:48:32 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: it does it by default on radeon 5xxx/6xxx, off on everything else (because its slower)
718 2011-05-01 02:48:44 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: its basically shortcutting on kernel setup time
719 2011-05-01 02:49:48 <kika> Diablo-D3: im doing the calculation correctly ? at Average
720 2011-05-01 02:50:01 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Daniel Folkinshteyn * r3d992ff60981 supybot-bitcoin-marketmonitor/OTCWebsite/createticker.py: OTCWebsite: ticker creator doesn't fail if mtgox is down. http://tinyurl.com/6fuhquu
721 2011-05-01 02:50:03 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,calc 544717000
722 2011-05-01 02:50:04 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 544717000 Khps, given current difficulty of 109670.13329248 , is 14 minutes and 24 seconds
723 2011-05-01 02:50:05 <Diablo-D3> er
724 2011-05-01 02:50:09 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,calc 544717
725 2011-05-01 02:50:10 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 544717 Khps, given current difficulty of 109670.13329248 , is 1 week, 3 days, 0 hours, 12 minutes, and 3 seconds
726 2011-05-01 02:50:18 <Diablo-D3> kika: sounds about right
727 2011-05-01 02:51:11 <kika> Diablo-D3: so you are telling me that if i keep my 6990 running 24/7 30 days a month ill earn like 150 btc or 200 btc per month ?
728 2011-05-01 02:51:19 <lulzplzkthx> How do I reset a "git commit" before a push without resetting the files?
729 2011-05-01 02:53:13 <B0g4r7> ;;bc,mtgox
730 2011-05-01 02:53:17 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":4.15,"low":2.75,"vol":62568,"buy":3.422,"sell":3.5698,"last":3.55}}
731 2011-05-01 02:53:21 <B0g4r7> w00t
732 2011-05-01 02:53:52 <lulzplzkthx> got it.
733 2011-05-01 02:54:10 <Diablo-D3> kika: it could.
734 2011-05-01 02:54:15 <vorlov> ;;bc,mtgox
735 2011-05-01 02:54:18 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":4.15,"low":2.75,"vol":62576,"buy":3.5,"sell":3.5698,"last":3.5}}
736 2011-05-01 02:54:19 <Diablo-D3> kika: at least, the 6990 will pay for itself within 6 months.
737 2011-05-01 02:54:40 <kika> Diablo-D3: do you think its more likely that ill earn more than 150btc or less than 150 btc?
738 2011-05-01 02:54:55 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: how did u determine that A=state0 on the entry and B=B1 etc
739 2011-05-01 02:54:56 <vorlov> ?
740 2011-05-01 02:55:21 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: because thats where it comes from.
741 2011-05-01 02:55:29 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: and thats also how sha256 works
742 2011-05-01 02:55:40 <kika> Diablo-D3: do you know how i can see how much hot is my graphic card? and whats the reasonable amount of hot it can support? the 6990 ?
743 2011-05-01 02:55:51 <Diablo-D3> kika: aticonfig --odgt --adapters=all
744 2011-05-01 02:55:52 <kika> Diablo-D3: it does too much noice, im worried about it to burn out
745 2011-05-01 02:55:57 <Diablo-D3> kika: it shouldnt exceed 85c.
746 2011-05-01 02:56:03 <Diablo-D3> kika: and stock fans are always loud
747 2011-05-01 02:56:55 <kika> Diablo-D3: i see let me see, is there a script or something to stand-by the graphic card for a while if it gets too hot while running diablominer?
748 2011-05-01 02:57:30 <kika> Diablo-D3: i mean a script to check if the graphic card is too hot and if so, then it stand by it a bit, so it can reduce the heat, and then resume when it be more fresh?
749 2011-05-01 02:57:47 <Diablo-D3> kika: nope.
750 2011-05-01 02:57:58 <Diablo-D3> because generally, if you've reached that point, buy a more powerful case fan.
751 2011-05-01 02:58:24 <kika> Adapter 0 - AMD Radeon HD 6990             Sensor 0: Temperature - 46.00 C  Adapter 1 - AMD Radeon HD 6990             Sensor 0: Temperature - 45.50 C
752 2011-05-01 02:59:04 <Diablo-D3> kika: btw, you can manually set the fanspeed, but I forget the command
753 2011-05-01 02:59:21 <kika> Diablo-D3: by default the fans are 100% ?
754 2011-05-01 02:59:31 <Diablo-D3> no, auto
755 2011-05-01 02:59:34 <retinal> export DISPLAY=:0.0; aticonfig --pplib-cmd "set fanspeed 0 70"
756 2011-05-01 02:59:37 <retinal> ^ that's what I do
757 2011-05-01 02:59:49 <kika> Diablo-D3: what auto means? why the fans arent all the time at 100% by default ?
758 2011-05-01 03:00:48 <kika> retinal: weird, so basically you are telling someone can accidentally came here and turn OFF my fans??
759 2011-05-01 03:00:50 <Diablo-D3> kika: automatic, they adjust according to gpu load
760 2011-05-01 03:01:16 <kika> retinal: and that someone by turning off my gpu fans will automatically destroy my card, right ?
761 2011-05-01 03:01:22 <retinal> ...
762 2011-05-01 03:01:27 <retinal> that sets fan speed to 70%
763 2011-05-01 03:01:36 <kika> what if i set it to 0% ?
764 2011-05-01 03:01:44 <kika> the card will burn out and crash ?
765 2011-05-01 03:01:45 <Diablo-D3> setting it to 0 will void your warrenty
766 2011-05-01 03:01:50 <retinal> either the card automatically overrides that, or ^
767 2011-05-01 03:02:21 <retinal> once thermal throttling kicks it, the card /should/ try to keep itself from combusting
768 2011-05-01 03:02:26 <retinal> s/it/in
769 2011-05-01 03:02:35 <Diablo-D3> in the real world
770 2011-05-01 03:02:38 <Diablo-D3> your house burns down
771 2011-05-01 03:02:40 <kika> retinal: do you think the card witll automatically override it ?
772 2011-05-01 03:02:45 <retinal> housefires, awww yeah
773 2011-05-01 03:02:49 <retinal> kika: no
774 2011-05-01 03:02:59 <retinal> but you're free to try it
775 2011-05-01 03:03:13 <kika> retinal: so basically if i set fan 0 it will create fire on the PC ?
776 2011-05-01 03:03:14 <retinal> after all, advice from strangers on the Internet is always right
777 2011-05-01 03:03:15 <retinal> ;)
778 2011-05-01 03:03:32 <retinal> that would be... interesting to say the least
779 2011-05-01 03:03:47 <retinal> "for instant fire, turn off GPU fans!"
780 2011-05-01 03:03:57 <kika> is this real?
781 2011-05-01 03:04:03 <Diablo-D3> I would pay to see a computer shit flames
782 2011-05-01 03:04:18 <kika> if i want to create fire on my house i need to set my cpu fans at 0 ?
783 2011-05-01 03:04:23 <Diablo-D3> set fans to 0 > HOUSTAN WE HAVE LIFT OFF
784 2011-05-01 03:04:30 <forrestv> kika, no, the card will likely throttle the clock down if the temperature gets way too high
785 2011-05-01 03:04:32 <kika> someone send me 1000 btc to pay for the card and ill burn it out and create a video lol
786 2011-05-01 03:04:44 <Diablo-D3> 1000 btc? what the fuck dude
787 2011-05-01 03:04:44 <retinal> ;;bc,mtgox
788 2011-05-01 03:04:48 <Diablo-D3> at $3
789 2011-05-01 03:04:48 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":4.15,"low":2.75,"vol":62639,"buy":3.56,"sell":3.5699,"last":3.54}}
790 2011-05-01 03:04:49 <Diablo-D3> thats like
791 2011-05-01 03:04:52 <retinal> not at these exchange rates :>
792 2011-05-01 03:04:53 <kika> i payed the card 1000btc
793 2011-05-01 03:04:55 <Diablo-D3> at least three 6990s
794 2011-05-01 03:05:02 <Diablo-D3> well
795 2011-05-01 03:05:05 <Diablo-D3> yeah
796 2011-05-01 03:05:06 <kika> well acutally 1100 usd i payed it i live in Argentina
797 2011-05-01 03:05:07 <Diablo-D3> four?
798 2011-05-01 03:05:13 <kika> only one
799 2011-05-01 03:05:14 <retinal> oh my
800 2011-05-01 03:05:17 <Diablo-D3> I mean they're like $700
801 2011-05-01 03:05:20 <retinal> I got my 5970s for 400USD
802 2011-05-01 03:05:25 <Diablo-D3> its like 3 and a half
803 2011-05-01 03:05:31 <bk128> fire would be really bad for me.  all my miners are in wooden boxes like art's
804 2011-05-01 03:05:31 <kika> here a 6990 costs 1100 USD
805 2011-05-01 03:05:41 <Diablo-D3> kika: your country sucks.
806 2011-05-01 03:05:48 <Diablo-D3> bk128: LOL
807 2011-05-01 03:05:48 <kika> Diablo-D3:  yes
808 2011-05-01 03:05:59 <Diablo-D3> your plan, not so smart, eh?!
809 2011-05-01 03:06:05 <kika> Diablo-D3:  the card need to pay lots of taxes to enter the country
810 2011-05-01 03:06:15 <Diablo-D3> kika: and this is why your country's economy is shit
811 2011-05-01 03:06:19 <Diablo-D3> EAT THE BANKERS
812 2011-05-01 03:06:21 <bk128> Diablo-D3: but it's at my parent's house so it's not too big of a concern for me :)
813 2011-05-01 03:06:23 <kika> Diablo-D3: exactly
814 2011-05-01 03:06:34 <Diablo-D3> bk128: GLORIOUS
815 2011-05-01 03:06:43 <bk128> they have insurance...
816 2011-05-01 03:07:22 <bk128> I actually owe them about $200 for the past 2 months of power :(
817 2011-05-01 03:07:22 <Diablo-D3> step 1) burn house down
818 2011-05-01 03:07:29 <Diablo-D3> step 2) collect insurance
819 2011-05-01 03:07:33 <Diablo-D3> step 3) invest in btc
820 2011-05-01 03:07:36 <Diablo-D3> step 4) ???
821 2011-05-01 03:07:41 <Diablo-D3> step 5) go to prison
822 2011-05-01 03:07:58 <bk128> step 6)profit!
823 2011-05-01 03:08:03 <Diablo-D3> no step 6.
824 2011-05-01 03:08:09 <bk128> yes step 6.
825 2011-05-01 03:08:17 <Diablo-D3> infact, step 4 is pretty much "get tazed in the nuts, bro"
826 2011-05-01 03:08:48 <kika> Diablo-D3: so guys, whats the real thing that will happen if i set the fan at 0% ? it will just slowdown? the card wont work anymore? fire will be created?
827 2011-05-01 03:08:51 <bk128> dont taze me bro :(
828 2011-05-01 03:09:03 <bk128> kika: let us know
829 2011-05-01 03:09:18 <kika> bk128: lol im not willing to try
830 2011-05-01 03:09:19 <kika> lol
831 2011-05-01 03:09:29 <kika> unless someone sends me first 1000 btc
832 2011-05-01 03:09:33 <kika> lol
833 2011-05-01 03:09:43 <kika> so i can pay for it again if it burns out
834 2011-05-01 03:10:43 <Diablo-D3> kika: most likely it'll just be fucked.
835 2011-05-01 03:11:03 <kika> Diablo-D3: but it will put my house at risk ? i mean... fire ?
836 2011-05-01 03:11:19 <bk128> kika: if the computer is in a metal case probably not
837 2011-05-01 03:11:31 <Diablo-D3> kika: dude, why are we discussing this
838 2011-05-01 03:11:31 <jgarzik> Boy.  I leave for a week, and all hell breaks loose in bitcoin-land.
839 2011-05-01 03:11:36 <Diablo-D3> you are a dumbass if you do it
840 2011-05-01 03:11:40 <Diablo-D3> jgarzik: no fucking shit
841 2011-05-01 03:11:51 <Diablo-D3> apparently the fucking russian mofia is butthurt over bitcoin
842 2011-05-01 03:11:58 <mrb_> jgarzik: lol
843 2011-05-01 03:12:01 <kika> Diablo-D3: because ill just leave the card running 24/7 and im worried about it to burn out and create fire on the house
844 2011-05-01 03:12:07 <bk128> they just want to make money off it....the russian way...
845 2011-05-01 03:12:07 <Diablo-D3> kika: dude.
846 2011-05-01 03:12:24 <Diablo-D3> bk128: they can launder their fucking rubles like any other fucker
847 2011-05-01 03:12:26 <jrabbit> kika: nothing burns...
848 2011-05-01 03:12:30 <bk128> scam, hack, steal, etc
849 2011-05-01 03:12:42 <Diablo-D3> kika: dude, if you set it to 70, it stays at 70 until X restarts
850 2011-05-01 03:12:57 <mrb_> want a summary? day 1: exchange rates goes up +50% in one night. day 2: cia interested in bitcoin. day 3: BTC value goes up another +50% in one night. day 3: mentionned on CNN. day 4: ddos of mtgox.
851 2011-05-01 03:13:07 <bk128> Diablo-D3: not on windows.  my manual fan speed magically changes
852 2011-05-01 03:13:08 <mrb_> stay tuned for the next week.
853 2011-05-01 03:13:16 <kika> Diablo-D3: would it be bad if i set the fans to be 24/7 at 100% ?
854 2011-05-01 03:13:17 <Diablo-D3> bk128: lawlz
855 2011-05-01 03:13:25 <Diablo-D3> kika: no point in doing over 80
856 2011-05-01 03:13:29 <Diablo-D3> kika: gets too loud
857 2011-05-01 03:13:35 <Diablo-D3> kika: and cooling doesnt increase
858 2011-05-01 03:13:48 <kika> Diablo-D3: so you recommend 80% 24/7 ?
859 2011-05-01 03:13:48 <mrb_> Diablo-D3: actually I notice a -5C temp when jumping from 80% to 100%
860 2011-05-01 03:14:05 <Diablo-D3> kika: I recommend you set it to what you need to keep it below 85c.
861 2011-05-01 03:14:10 <Diablo-D3> kika: that takes experimentation. go do it.
862 2011-05-01 03:14:13 <kika> Diablo-D3: okay
863 2011-05-01 03:14:16 <kika> thxs
864 2011-05-01 03:14:20 <Diablo-D3> I am not a fucking 8 ball, or google.
865 2011-05-01 03:14:28 <Diablo-D3> I am superior to both.
866 2011-05-01 03:14:31 <Diablo-D3> I AM MAN
867 2011-05-01 03:14:37 <jgarzik> mrb_: yeah, been following it on the forums from the beach (I'm "xf2_org" on the forums)
868 2011-05-01 03:14:45 <Diablo-D3> wait
869 2011-05-01 03:14:50 <Diablo-D3> xf2? isnt that some pool or some shit?
870 2011-05-01 03:14:57 <Myckel> bitcoin on CNN?
871 2011-05-01 03:15:00 <Diablo-D3> also
872 2011-05-01 03:15:05 <Diablo-D3> Im renaming the command to restart jboss as
873 2011-05-01 03:15:11 <Diablo-D3> ./poolsclosed
874 2011-05-01 03:15:12 <mrb_> xf2 is selling mining services: private pools, hosting, etc
875 2011-05-01 03:15:13 <Diablo-D3> mwhahahahaha
876 2011-05-01 03:15:20 <luke-jr> jgarzik: did you get the messages I left for you with gribble?
877 2011-05-01 03:16:02 <Diablo-D3> ITS THE EENNNND OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT AND I FEEL FIIIIIIIINE
878 2011-05-01 03:16:15 <jgarzik> Diablo-D3: private mining pools, dedicated servers, more services coming.
879 2011-05-01 03:16:16 <mrb_> Myckel: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2501006
880 2011-05-01 03:16:34 <Diablo-D3> jgarzik: going to be using my software when its done? :D
881 2011-05-01 03:16:35 <Myckel> mrb_, thank you
882 2011-05-01 03:16:41 <jgarzik> xf2.org is basically my catch-all for little bitcoin services, that (hopefully, eventually) help grow the bitcoin economy.
883 2011-05-01 03:16:44 <jgarzik> </plug>
884 2011-05-01 03:16:51 <jgarzik> Diablo-D3: eh?  url?
885 2011-05-01 03:16:53 <mrb_> Myckel: I don't know if it is referring to the CNN blog, or an actual mention on air
886 2011-05-01 03:17:33 <luke-jr> ;;bc,eligius
887 2011-05-01 03:17:34 <gribble> 18439726.2575
888 2011-05-01 03:17:35 <jgarzik> luke-jr: some stuff, but then lost it.  my bitcoin addr is jgarzik@exmulti.com.  that's where github points to; that's where xf2.org supports to; etc.
889 2011-05-01 03:18:18 <luke-jr> jgarzik: ok, I can attach my patches too?
890 2011-05-01 03:18:47 <jgarzik> luke-jr: sure
891 2011-05-01 03:18:57 <luke-jr> jgarzik: want to join my pool? :P
892 2011-05-01 03:19:03 <Diablo-D3> jgarzik: not public yet
893 2011-05-01 03:19:04 <jgarzik> luke-jr: har :)
894 2011-05-01 03:19:13 <luke-jr> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Eligius
895 2011-05-01 03:19:20 <jgarzik> Diablo-D3: what are you writing?  yet another pool?  :)
896 2011-05-01 03:19:27 <Diablo-D3> jgarzik: yeah
897 2011-05-01 03:19:43 <Diablo-D3> jgarzik: just like DiabloMiner, if I want it done right, you all make me do it myself
898 2011-05-01 03:19:51 <jgarzik> Diablo-D3: any reason why pushpool is not sufficient?  "it's not Java" ?  :)
899 2011-05-01 03:20:00 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Daniel Folkinshteyn * rc1217005145e supybot-bitcoin-marketmonitor/OTCWebsite/createticker.py: OTCWebsite: invert inverted bids/asks http://tinyurl.com/6zeud45
900 2011-05-01 03:20:32 <Diablo-D3> jgarzik: see slush's pool?
901 2011-05-01 03:20:34 <jgarzik> Diablo-D3: slush does not use pushpool
902 2011-05-01 03:20:41 <Diablo-D3> thats not what I asked
903 2011-05-01 03:20:45 <Diablo-D3> have you see nit?
904 2011-05-01 03:20:58 <Diablo-D3> thats pretty much the best you're going to get for html if I dont do it myself
905 2011-05-01 03:21:24 <jgarzik> Diablo-D3: oh, you're talking about the flashy web gadgetry front-end, not the pool back-end?
906 2011-05-01 03:21:33 <jgarzik> puff pieces :)
907 2011-05-01 03:21:37 <Diablo-D3> jgarzik: yeah, the pool backend is going to be mostly the same shit no matter what
908 2011-05-01 03:21:53 <jgarzik> Diablo-D3: backend: https://github.com/jgarzik/pushpool/
909 2011-05-01 03:22:02 <kika> Diablo-D3: the temp keeps at the 82-84C range, thats normal?
910 2011-05-01 03:22:10 <Diablo-D3> kika: as long as its below 85c, you're fine
911 2011-05-01 03:22:27 <Diablo-D3> jgarzik: in C? lol
912 2011-05-01 03:22:27 <lulxplzkthx> I finished my feature and a thread about it can be found here: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=6937.0
913 2011-05-01 03:22:31 <kika> Diablo-D3: if it gets at 86C it automatically burns out ? lol
914 2011-05-01 03:22:41 <luke-jr> jgarzik: sent
915 2011-05-01 03:22:43 <Diablo-D3> kika: no, you just reduce VRM life
916 2011-05-01 03:22:50 <bk128> long term the cards will last longer if you run them cooler
917 2011-05-01 03:22:59 <kika> how much is the VRM life?
918 2011-05-01 03:23:10 <Diablo-D3> 85c gpu ~= 120c vrm
919 2011-05-01 03:23:13 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: my pool 'backend' is unique :P
920 2011-05-01 03:23:15 <Diablo-D3> anything higher than 120c can pop them
921 2011-05-01 03:23:25 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: I already have the backend on mine done
922 2011-05-01 03:23:28 <bk128> kika: could be 20+ years at cool temps probably
923 2011-05-01 03:23:34 <Myckel> looks like mtgox is back :)
924 2011-05-01 03:23:39 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: but I bet it can't do the same thing mine does :P
925 2011-05-01 03:23:49 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: whats so magical about yours?
926 2011-05-01 03:24:01 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: payouts embedded in coinbase
927 2011-05-01 03:24:03 <bk128> everything starts to die quicker at higher temps, caps, ICs, etc.
928 2011-05-01 03:24:10 <kika> bk128: so if i run it at 86C it will just recude vrm life?
929 2011-05-01 03:24:13 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: erm?
930 2011-05-01 03:24:30 <kika> bk128: if i run it at 90C for a month, something will happen?
931 2011-05-01 03:24:37 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: http://blockexplorer.com/block/00000000000041318e2893db3283e5528a7c44292693acc51189145a3d3e2c14
932 2011-05-01 03:24:58 <_ape> the fan on my 9700 pro finally wore out
933 2011-05-01 03:25:00 <_ape> after about 10 years
934 2011-05-01 03:25:01 <_ape> :P