1 2011-05-06 00:01:03 <io_error> Hm, the bitcoin client doesn't show generated until 2 blocks later. Is that normal?
  2 2011-05-06 00:01:09 <theymos> Yes.
  3 2011-05-06 00:01:32 <io_error> Gawd, I just spent the last 20 minutes trying to figure out what was wrong with my miner because I thought it wasn't generating anything
  4 2011-05-06 00:09:00 <BlueMatt> aaand, CRYPTER IS DONE!
  5 2011-05-06 00:09:58 <BlueMatt> can someone benchmark startup of my crypter branch, I have a feeling its a bit slow, but Im not sure what kind of impact it actually has
  6 2011-05-06 00:10:00 <BlueMatt> gnight all
  7 2011-05-06 00:18:00 <vorlov> ;;bc,mtgox
  8 2011-05-06 00:18:01 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":3.447,"low":3.29,"vol":16218,"buy":3.33,"sell":3.332,"last":3.33}}
  9 2011-05-06 00:25:30 <vorlov> guys? any suggestions as to why windows wont show my ATI in dos?
 10 2011-05-06 00:25:39 <vorlov> it shows it in the system components... but not in dos using pocl
 11 2011-05-06 00:34:24 <JFK911> ;;bc,stats
 12 2011-05-06 00:34:26 <gribble> Current Blocks: 122140 | Current Difficulty: 109670.13329248 | Next Difficulty At Block: 122975 | Next Difficulty In: 835 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 3 hours, 58 minutes, and 5 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 150450.34062691
 13 2011-05-06 00:49:21 <Herodes_> anyone recognize this kind of behaviour from a dual 5970 rig running windows 7 64 bit?
 14 2011-05-06 00:49:22 <Herodes_> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/859/gpuactivity.png/
 15 2011-05-06 00:49:57 <Herodes_> one slave gpu just works for a little while, and then just drops dead.
 16 2011-05-06 01:08:07 <Blitzboom> ;;bc,calc [eligius]
 17 2011-05-06 01:08:07 <gribble> Error: "eligius" is not a valid command.
 18 2011-05-06 01:08:43 <Blitzboom> ;;bc,calc [bc,eligius]
 19 2011-05-06 01:08:45 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 14660155.037 Khps, given current difficulty of 109670.13329248 , is 8 hours, 55 minutes, and 29 seconds
 20 2011-05-06 01:19:57 <CIA-30> bitcoin: droidbird exper * r109fb0f003b2 intersango/ (4 files in 3 dirs): add cancelOrder, add a new module for orders functionality and factor cancel order functionality into it. http://tinyurl.com/3l2yjgs
 21 2011-05-06 01:35:20 <luke-jr> Blitzboom: did ya see our orphan? 9
 22 2011-05-06 01:35:39 <Blitzboom> :(
 23 2011-05-06 01:36:01 <Blitzboom> needs more hashpower
 24 2011-05-06 01:36:07 <luke-jr> yeah
 25 2011-05-06 01:36:15 <Blitzboom> to reduce variance
 26 2011-05-06 01:38:28 <theymos> luke-jr: Your pool requires a fee of 0.00008 BTC per 1000 bytes?
 27 2011-05-06 01:38:47 <luke-jr> theymos: 0.00004096
 28 2011-05-06 01:38:52 <luke-jr> per 512 bytes
 29 2011-05-06 01:39:04 <theymos> Why per 512? Bitcoin deals in 1000.
 30 2011-05-06 01:39:12 <luke-jr> I don't.
 31 2011-05-06 01:39:30 <luke-jr> what do you mean Bitcoin deals in 1000
 32 2011-05-06 01:39:37 <theymos> It would work to tell Bitcoin to give 0.00008, though?
 33 2011-05-06 01:39:39 <luke-jr> I haven't seen anything in the protocol using 1000 byte sizes
 34 2011-05-06 01:39:41 <luke-jr> no
 35 2011-05-06 01:39:47 <luke-jr> oh
 36 2011-05-06 01:39:54 <theymos> Fees are per 1000 bytes.
 37 2011-05-06 01:39:59 <luke-jr> that would work for 512 bytes
 38 2011-05-06 01:40:09 <luke-jr> theymos: so you get 24 extra bytes
 39 2011-05-06 01:40:20 <luke-jr> buy 1000, get 24 free
 40 2011-05-06 01:40:22 <luke-jr> :P
 41 2011-05-06 01:40:33 <luke-jr> but anyhow, fees aren't bitcoin, they're miner policy
 42 2011-05-06 01:40:55 <luke-jr> if you have over 512 bytes, you need at least 0.00008192 BTC fee
 43 2011-05-06 01:41:13 <luke-jr> 0.00009 would work
 44 2011-05-06 01:41:17 <theymos> Right, but the "pay tx fee" option is Bitcoin. I was wondering what to tell people who want to do non-standard transactions and stuff and stuff.
 45 2011-05-06 01:41:26 <theymos> OK, thanks.
 46 2011-05-06 01:41:38 <luke-jr> oooh, you mean the paytxfee automatic doubling stuff
 47 2011-05-06 01:42:07 <luke-jr> to do non-standard transactions, you need to hack the client anyway. I would just merge my policy branch.
 48 2011-05-06 01:44:11 <theymos> Convieniently, it seems that 0.00004096/512=0.00008/1000, so I can just tell people to pay 0.00008 BTC per decimal kB.
 49 2011-05-06 01:45:01 <luke-jr> theymos: I don't think that will work.
 50 2011-05-06 01:45:24 <theymos> Why?
 51 2011-05-06 01:45:27 <io_error> /headdesk
 52 2011-05-06 01:45:39 <luke-jr> (1 + (int64)nBytes / 0x200) * TCOIN
 53 2011-05-06 01:46:15 <luke-jr> theymos: it isn't a variable scale
 54 2011-05-06 01:46:57 <luke-jr> 0..511 bytes is 0.00004096; 512..1023 bytes is 0.00008192
 55 2011-05-06 01:47:20 <theymos> Bitcoin rounds up when paying fees, too.
 56 2011-05-06 01:47:46 <theymos> As a multiple of the specified fee per kB.
 57 2011-05-06 01:49:54 <CIA-30> bitcoin: droidbird exper * r39fe876c2f29 intersango/docs/api.txt: added documentation for the bot api. http://tinyurl.com/4xt87aw
 58 2011-05-06 01:54:12 <luke-jr> theymos: sounds like for the moment, -paytxfee 0.00008192 is the best you can do without modifying the client
 59 2011-05-06 01:54:26 <luke-jr> perhaps I should make it non-rounding
 60 2011-05-06 01:54:48 <theymos> OK
 61 2011-05-06 01:57:50 <justmoon> during blockchain download does the off. client actually verify tx sigs?
 62 2011-05-06 01:58:11 <theymos> Yes.
 63 2011-05-06 01:58:46 <justmoon> why is that necessary? if someone sends you a corrupted chain, won't the correct one simply be longer?
 64 2011-05-06 01:59:23 <phantomcircuit> justmoon, a block isn't valid if it contains any transactions which don't validate
 65 2011-05-06 01:59:52 <CIA-30> bitcoin: droidbird exper * raf822bd52d51 intersango/ (lib/api.php www/api/getBalance.php): added getBalance api function. http://tinyurl.com/5tchshe
 66 2011-05-06 01:59:53 <theymos> You could probably verify only the last 1000 blocks pretty safely. I hope the official client never does this, though, since it does add some risk.
 67 2011-05-06 01:59:55 <CIA-30> bitcoin: droidbird exper * r0a244ca844c7 intersango/docs/api.txt: added getBalance api documentation. http://tinyurl.com/5uetwnl
 68 2011-05-06 01:59:56 <CIA-30> bitcoin: droidbird exper * ra9c03ca81978 intersango/docs/api.txt: added missing getTrades documentation. http://tinyurl.com/6chn9wn
 69 2011-05-06 02:00:08 <justmoon> yeah, but couldn't you say only verify the top 200 blocks of the chain? what's the chance that somebody creates a bogus 200 tx chain longer than the valid one
 70 2011-05-06 02:00:10 <justmoon> ?
 71 2011-05-06 02:00:29 <justmoon> s/tx/block/
 72 2011-05-06 02:01:27 <phantomcircuit> justmoon, well you're half right, but that would mean that the time to verify transactions in the future is significantly longer
 73 2011-05-06 02:01:44 <justmoon> I don't follow?
 74 2011-05-06 02:02:43 <phantomcircuit> justmoon, transactions are a chain, you cant verify one in the last 200 blocks without verifying every single one in that chain
 75 2011-05-06 02:03:07 <phantomcircuit> the easiest way to guarantee this is to require each block have all it's transactions verified
 76 2011-05-06 02:03:16 <theymos> If you assume older ones are valid, you can verify new ones.
 77 2011-05-06 02:03:39 <justmoon> yeah exactly, I'm proposing assuming all tx with >200 confirmations are valid
 78 2011-05-06 02:03:50 <justmoon> (200 being some arbitrary number tbd)
 79 2011-05-06 02:04:10 <theymos> It's a safe assumption that blocks before the last checkpoint are valid. I don't like the idea of it, though.
 80 2011-05-06 02:05:11 <phantomcircuit> theymos, sure but that's a bad idea :P
 81 2011-05-06 02:05:33 <justmoon> hmm
 82 2011-05-06 02:05:38 <phantomcircuit> especially since if everybody does it...
 83 2011-05-06 02:05:48 <theymos> Other than placing more trust in the official release, why is it a bad idea?
 84 2011-05-06 02:06:07 <phantomcircuit> theymos, you're placing more trust in the other peers to do your verification for you
 85 2011-05-06 02:06:15 <phantomcircuit> it's probably a safe bet 99% of the time
 86 2011-05-06 02:06:17 <phantomcircuit> but well
 87 2011-05-06 02:06:22 <SerajewelKS> what's the recommended way to do transaction processing in applications?  poll bitcoind periodically?  how does one ask bitcoind for, say, all transactions with 6+ confirmations on or after a particular date or block number?
 88 2011-05-06 02:06:30 <justmoon> should I start a thread about it?
 89 2011-05-06 02:06:40 <theymos> Not peers. Bitcoin has a hardcoded hash. Blocks before that *can't* be wrong if you trust Bitcoin.
 90 2011-05-06 02:06:51 <xelister> yo theymos
 91 2011-05-06 02:06:54 <theymos> Hi.
 92 2011-05-06 02:07:21 <phantomcircuit> theymos, oh you mean the checkpoint
 93 2011-05-06 02:07:23 <BitMark> so if we are at like block 200000000 and i want to spend an outpoint from block 10
 94 2011-05-06 02:07:28 <BitMark> will that be possible?
 95 2011-05-06 02:07:29 <SerajewelKS> i'm looking for a way to limit the output of listtransactions such that i don't see transactions i've already processed, but that i won't miss any that i haven't.
 96 2011-05-06 02:07:52 <theymos> BitMark: Yes.
 97 2011-05-06 02:08:19 <phantomcircuit> SerajewelKS, i dont think you can
 98 2011-05-06 02:08:24 <BitMark> is there any block count for which that gets very very hard?
 99 2011-05-06 02:08:33 <theymos> It never gets hard.
100 2011-05-06 02:08:42 <SerajewelKS> phantomcircuit: i can't see how
101 2011-05-06 02:08:49 <SerajewelKS> phantomcircuit: oh you said "don't"
102 2011-05-06 02:09:06 <phantomcircuit> SerajewelKS, you'd just need to keep a list of transactions you've already processed
103 2011-05-06 02:09:31 <SerajewelKS> phantomcircuit: i would have such a list, of course.  but i don't want to ask bitcoind for every transaction whenever i need to check for new ones.
104 2011-05-06 02:09:59 <phantomcircuit> yeah no idea
105 2011-05-06 02:10:00 <SerajewelKS> that would also tax the database as i check each transaction in the output against the database
106 2011-05-06 02:10:12 <phantomcircuit> i wouldn't be using the mainline client anyways so...
107 2011-05-06 02:10:14 <SerajewelKS> i'm curious how sites like mtgox deal with this problem
108 2011-05-06 02:10:39 <SerajewelKS> well, i don't trust myself enough to patch C++.  i also don't like C++, so that's half the problem.
109 2011-05-06 02:11:01 <theymos> MtGox probably uses getreceivedbyaddress instead of listtransactions.
110 2011-05-06 02:11:48 <SerajewelKS> so every so often, it gets the addresses that haven't seen any transactions yet (according to its db) and does a getreceivedbyaddress call for each of those?
111 2011-05-06 02:12:20 <theymos> Yeah, that's my guess.
112 2011-05-06 02:12:26 <SerajewelKS> hmm
113 2011-05-06 02:12:57 <SerajewelKS> that's not a bad idea, but that necessitates disabling the addresses after a while, and i'm not sure i'm comfortable with the idea that if someone accidentally sends money to the address a second time, it would not get noticed
114 2011-05-06 02:14:12 <SerajewelKS> bitcoind doesn't really seem like it's designed for ecommerce :/
115 2011-05-06 02:14:21 <theymos> listtransactions should support a block hash as a parameter, and then show only transactions after that hash.
116 2011-05-06 02:14:45 <SerajewelKS> i agree.  except for the special case where a block was invalidated by a longer chain.
117 2011-05-06 02:15:11 <SerajewelKS> i'm not sure how to handle that
118 2011-05-06 02:15:13 <theymos> That's what my http://blockexplorer.com/q/mytransactions page does.
119 2011-05-06 02:15:22 <theymos> I suppose you could getblock all blocks and search for transactions to you.
120 2011-05-06 02:15:58 <SerajewelKS> getblock?
121 2011-05-06 02:16:29 <theymos> I thought there was some RPC method to get full blocks in the latest version. Maybe not. There's a patch that adds it, at least.
122 2011-05-06 02:16:37 <SerajewelKS> i see
123 2011-05-06 02:16:42 <SerajewelKS> is there a patch that adds mytransactions?
124 2011-05-06 02:16:50 <SerajewelKS> this looks like what i'm after
125 2011-05-06 02:16:51 <theymos> No. That's part of Bitcoin Block Explorer.
126 2011-05-06 02:17:05 <theymos> It uses a database -- it doesn't talk to Bitcoin.
127 2011-05-06 02:17:10 <SerajewelKS> ah
128 2011-05-06 02:17:18 <SerajewelKS> well shoot
129 2011-05-06 02:18:05 <SerajewelKS> there's really only one thing i can think to do that would not be breakable
130 2011-05-06 02:18:48 <SerajewelKS> call listtransactions with a certain count.  look for the transaction that was last processed, then process everything after it.  if it's not found, double the count and repeat.
131 2011-05-06 02:19:13 <SerajewelKS> seems like a kludge though
132 2011-05-06 02:19:14 <vorlov> is there a quick and diryt on installing boost on windos 7
133 2011-05-06 02:19:54 <phantomcircuit> lol i doubt it
134 2011-05-06 02:20:38 <io_error> vorlov: http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_46_1/more/getting_started/windows.html
135 2011-05-06 02:21:02 <vorlov> is it required for poclbm to work
136 2011-05-06 02:21:10 <vorlov> my pocl tells me the following:
137 2011-05-06 02:21:18 <SerajewelKS> theymos: if part of the block chain is invalidated, and i had processed transactions in that chain, i assume that the re-introduced transactions would have the same hash, yes?  so i might not be able to rely on the fact that transaction X is in the same block?
138 2011-05-06 02:21:31 <vorlov> importerror: dll load failed with error code -5269xxxxxx
139 2011-05-06 02:21:36 <SerajewelKS> maybe i should key off the transaction ID and the block ID?
140 2011-05-06 02:21:44 <vorlov> after trying to import the pyopencl
141 2011-05-06 02:21:55 <phantomcircuit> SerajewelKS, transaction hashes are independent of the block they're in
142 2011-05-06 02:21:58 <theymos> SerajewelKS: Right.
143 2011-05-06 02:21:59 <SerajewelKS> right
144 2011-05-06 02:22:11 <SerajewelKS> hmm, it's a shame listtransactions doesn't include the block hash
145 2011-05-06 02:22:17 <SerajewelKS> maybe my C knowledge will be enough to hack that in
146 2011-05-06 02:22:54 <SerajewelKS> seems like a lot of work just for ecommerce
147 2011-05-06 02:22:59 <theymos> I don't think it'd be too difficult. I think there may even be a patch lying around somewhere that does it. I seem to remember this being on the to-do list for Bitcoin.
148 2011-05-06 02:23:24 <SerajewelKS> it'd be neat if bitcoind would let you mark a transaction as having been seen
149 2011-05-06 02:23:39 <SerajewelKS> "listunseentransactions"
150 2011-05-06 02:23:51 <SerajewelKS> or "listnewtransactions"
151 2011-05-06 02:24:23 <SerajewelKS> that would simplify the process of reconciling bitcoin transactions with another DB
152 2011-05-06 02:25:18 <theymos> You should start a topic about it on the forum.
153 2011-05-06 02:25:20 <ntosme2> SerajewelKS: a simple python script should do that for you, you just need to keep track of the last seen txid
154 2011-05-06 02:25:26 <phantomcircuit> SerajewelKS, what are you using this for specifically?
155 2011-05-06 02:25:44 <SerajewelKS> phantomcircuit: i'm not sure yet, just noodling around
156 2011-05-06 02:26:06 <SerajewelKS> if i can't solve this problem, there's not much point in building anything ;)
157 2011-05-06 02:26:29 <SerajewelKS> ntosme2: perhaps.  it depends if the transaction was orphaned.
158 2011-05-06 02:26:45 <doublec> what if you want to reconcile against different databases. having a 'markseen' won't help with that.
159 2011-05-06 02:26:58 <theymos> For small sites you can use getreceivedbyaccount.
160 2011-05-06 02:27:00 <SerajewelKS> ntosme2: for example if i last saw id "foo" and the block "foo" is in gets orphaned
161 2011-05-06 02:27:11 <SerajewelKS> ntosme2: when "foo" gets reintroduced, i will have effectively skipped a bunch of transactions
162 2011-05-06 02:27:38 <sacarlson> SerajewelKS: the way I've seen my exchange software do it is that it creates accounts for each user and in cron checks listtransaction every 5 min when funds are found it deposits the funds into the mysql account of that user and moves the funds from that address to central fund
163 2011-05-06 02:27:45 <SerajewelKS> doublec: perhaps.  in that case i would probably use an intermediary database -- insert the new transactions there, and provide more advanced marking functionality to the other databases
164 2011-05-06 02:28:25 <SerajewelKS> sacarlson: hmm, interesting.  i think it would make more sense to check listaccounts though and look for those with a nonzero balance.
165 2011-05-06 02:28:34 <SerajewelKS> but that might be the way to go...
166 2011-05-06 02:29:14 <SerajewelKS> for those with nonzero i could issue a getreceivedbyaccount and reconcile all the listed transactions
167 2011-05-06 02:29:27 <sacarlson> SerajewelKS: it zero's the ballance of the bitcoin address when funds are found.  it seems to work
168 2011-05-06 02:29:28 <SerajewelKS> then move the balance to the main account, as a way of marking the account as reconciled
169 2011-05-06 02:29:43 <SerajewelKS> sacarlson: you mean the account, not the address :)
170 2011-05-06 02:29:49 <SerajewelKS> yeah, yeah, this seems like the way to go
171 2011-05-06 02:30:11 <sacarlson> SerajewelKS: yes the users bitcoin address account
172 2011-05-06 02:30:57 <SerajewelKS> my only concern is that the "listaccounts" output might eventually get *huge*
173 2011-05-06 02:31:15 <SerajewelKS> maybe bitcoind could be patched to allow an option to listaccounts that only displays those with a nonzero balance
174 2011-05-06 02:33:05 <sacarlson> SerajewelKS: I'm sure that can be handled with the mysql functions
175 2011-05-06 02:33:24 <SerajewelKS> sacarlson: mysql functions?  bitcoind doesn't use mysql.
176 2011-05-06 02:33:43 <sacarlson> SerajewelKS: my software keeps the use accounts in mysql
177 2011-05-06 02:33:48 <SerajewelKS> i know
178 2011-05-06 02:34:03 <SerajewelKS> but when you call listaccounts in bitcoind to see which accounts have new activity, that list will only keep growing as you get new users
179 2011-05-06 02:34:56 <sacarlson> SerajewelKS: I guess I don't wory that far into the future as long as it works today
180 2011-05-06 02:35:19 <nanotube> UukGoblin: no i'm not /sure/, but since i understand only /spent/ transactions will be pruned, and these will never be spent... that should be the case. :)
181 2011-05-06 02:35:20 <SerajewelKS> that's true
182 2011-05-06 02:35:24 <SerajewelKS> i'm probably prematurely optimizing
183 2011-05-06 02:35:41 <SerajewelKS> anyway, i need to go shower and get to bed :)
184 2011-05-06 03:44:57 <Stuee> Evening all :-)
185 2011-05-06 03:45:36 <Stuee> Anybody using guiminer with poclbm?
186 2011-05-06 03:49:06 <bitcurious> hi, is there anyone here who can help me with wallet backup issues?
187 2011-05-06 03:49:50 <x5x> bitcurious, yea go ahead and send me ur wallet
188 2011-05-06 03:51:06 <bitcurious> i had to switch computers and i transferred the wallet.dat file into the new system's appdata, and now the bitcoin app is showing all the transactions in grey and says my balance is 0
189 2011-05-06 03:52:33 <bitcurious> and the status bar at the bottom is flashing like crazy, and the number of blocks (to the left of the number of connections and to the right of the number of transactions) keeps going up
190 2011-05-06 03:53:55 <bitcurious> what's going on?
191 2011-05-06 03:54:17 <ArtForz> sounds like its still downloading the block chain?
192 2011-05-06 03:54:38 <ArtForz> ;;bc,blocks
193 2011-05-06 03:54:38 <gribble> 122165
194 2011-05-06 03:55:12 <gjs278> Diablo-D3 got the gigabyte working, it keeps ridiculously cool with just one 120mm fan pointed at it
195 2011-05-06 03:55:18 <bitcurious> i see... is there a usual length to block chains?
196 2011-05-06 03:55:32 <ArtForz> current block number is 122165
197 2011-05-06 03:55:36 <gjs278> was doing around 65 after an hour of going with the stock oc 765
198 2011-05-06 03:55:38 <Diablo-D3> gjs278: jesus.
199 2011-05-06 03:55:47 <bitcurious> thanks gribble and artforz
200 2011-05-06 03:55:58 <ArtForz> chain will keep growing to infinity at ~144 blocks per day
201 2011-05-06 03:56:10 <Diablo-D3> gjs278: tell me, the mhashes
202 2011-05-06 03:56:12 <gjs278> and it's not nearly as loud as every other 58xx card I've come across
203 2011-05-06 03:56:14 <gjs278> 280
204 2011-05-06 03:56:19 <bitcurious> ArtForz
205 2011-05-06 03:56:24 <Diablo-D3> with bfi?
206 2011-05-06 03:56:32 <gjs278> I was using the latest poclbm gui
207 2011-05-06 03:56:38 <gjs278> so if it has bfi then thats the rate I got
208 2011-05-06 03:56:40 <Diablo-D3> you still have to turn bfi on I think
209 2011-05-06 03:56:43 <gjs278> oh ok
210 2011-05-06 03:56:56 <Diablo-D3> I was estimating around 290 WITH bfi on
211 2011-05-06 03:57:03 <Diablo-D3> so it seems I was wrong, my estimate was too low
212 2011-05-06 03:57:08 <Diablo-D3> with bfi should be above 300
213 2011-05-06 03:57:22 <Diablo-D3> gjs278: btw, did you try temps with the 300mhz memory clock hack?
214 2011-05-06 03:57:24 <bitcurious> ArtForz: is it the new instance of the application that downloads the block chain? such that every time i try to open my wallet on a new computer, it must download the entire blockchain before it will start working?
215 2011-05-06 03:57:24 <gjs278> yeah I def. didnt turn on bfi, just let it go
216 2011-05-06 03:57:36 <gjs278> I couldn't get the card to downclock below 1000 mem in msi afterburner
217 2011-05-06 03:57:47 <Diablo-D3> yeah, fuck msi afterburner
218 2011-05-06 03:57:47 <gjs278> plus I had to go so I didn't get much time to mess around with it
219 2011-05-06 03:57:51 <Diablo-D3> that shit just oesnt work
220 2011-05-06 03:57:54 <gjs278> yeah
221 2011-05-06 03:58:05 <Diablo-D3> so 65c at full ram speed, shits overclocked
222 2011-05-06 03:58:11 <Diablo-D3> so thats like
223 2011-05-06 03:58:15 <Diablo-D3> 55c with ram underclocked
224 2011-05-06 03:58:19 <gjs278> yeah
225 2011-05-06 03:58:23 <ArtForz> bitcurious: no
226 2011-05-06 03:58:38 <gjs278> by itself it hit 76 for me so I threw the fan in the way and it dropped to 65
227 2011-05-06 03:58:46 <gjs278> just some crappy 3 pin rosewill
228 2011-05-06 03:58:47 <Diablo-D3> still 76
229 2011-05-06 03:58:56 <Diablo-D3> how do you have it oriented?
230 2011-05-06 03:59:00 <ArtForz> you can also copy blkindex.dat and blk0001.dat to take your copy of the chain with you
231 2011-05-06 03:59:08 <gjs278> near the end blowing out of the case
232 2011-05-06 03:59:17 <gjs278> like across the card
233 2011-05-06 03:59:32 <Diablo-D3> and thus exactly how my case is setup
234 2011-05-06 03:59:47 <ArtForz> or copy a new wallet into a existing bitcoin data dir, in that case you need to rescan to resync wallet and blkindex, though latest version should do that utomatically
235 2011-05-06 03:59:57 <ArtForz> *a saved wallet
236 2011-05-06 03:59:57 <Diablo-D3> the front 120mm fan blows through the top hd cage (and doesnt get any additional heat, its only 2 drives)...
237 2011-05-06 04:00:04 <Diablo-D3> and then cuts right into the video card
238 2011-05-06 04:00:10 <Diablo-D3> like straight down the middle
239 2011-05-06 04:01:40 <justmoon> is there a way to get the latest bitcoin version and/or download links as JSON or something like that?
240 2011-05-06 04:02:08 <Diablo-D3> justmoon: erm?
241 2011-05-06 04:02:24 <justmoon> trying to add download links to weusecoins.com and don't want to keep them updated manually
242 2011-05-06 04:02:41 <bitcurious> ArtForz: thanks, i really apprecitae the help
243 2011-05-06 04:02:47 <Diablo-D3> meh
244 2011-05-06 04:02:53 <Diablo-D3> direct linking to downloads suck
245 2011-05-06 04:03:03 <bitcurious> ArtForz: it looks like i'm back up and running now
246 2011-05-06 05:33:58 <bk128> ArtForz: did you actually buy these? http://www.dhgate.com/product/productdisplay.do?pid=ff8080812c305fe5012c367decb86967
247 2011-05-06 05:34:16 <bk128> guy only has 75% positive feedback
248 2011-05-06 05:36:48 <bk128> hah http://cgi.ebay.com/PCI-Express-PCIe-16x-Riser-Card-Flexible-Extender-Cable-/150597357494?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item23104d4fb6 "great for games and bitcoin"
249 2011-05-06 05:37:39 <ArtForz> bk128: yea, though I didnt order over dhgate
250 2011-05-06 05:38:11 <bk128> ArtForz: do you think that second one would be okay?  as long as I check the pinout, it can't hurt, right?
251 2011-05-06 05:38:17 <bk128> looks delicate though
252 2011-05-06 05:38:32 <ArtForz> well, it's a rather cheap cable, might cause problems at 2.0 speeds
253 2011-05-06 05:38:46 <ArtForz> and wider risers seem more prone to it than smaller ones
254 2011-05-06 05:38:57 <ArtForz> = if you go with cheap, go with cheap x1 risers ;)
255 2011-05-06 05:40:51 <bk128> http://cgi.ebay.com/PCI-E-express-1X-riser-card-adapter-extender-flex-/320627812981
256 2011-05-06 05:41:05 <ArtForz> yep, these
257 2011-05-06 05:41:07 <bk128> definitely a lot cheaper
258 2011-05-06 05:41:18 <bk128> i'll let you know how they work, if I ever get them :)
259 2011-05-06 05:43:17 <bk128> ok, just bought a few
260 2011-05-06 06:37:52 <bk128> this guy is arguing pro water cooling, tell me I'm not crazy "sturles: My pump uses less than 5 watts.  No fan.  Card uses 20 W less at same clock because it runs colder."
261 2011-05-06 06:41:11 <[Tycho]> Watercooling is insanely expensive and delays BE
262 2011-05-06 06:43:34 <ArtForz> big endian?
263 2011-05-06 06:43:44 <[Tycho]> Breaking Even
264 2011-05-06 06:43:50 <ArtForz> yup
265 2011-05-06 06:44:20 <ArtForz> but then it's more fun for special projects
266 2011-05-06 06:44:34 <gjs278> and when you do break even, now you have water cooled ati cards
267 2011-05-06 06:44:37 <[Tycho]> I have an offer to buy 2x5970 with waterblocks, ~$350 each, but not sure what to do with them :)
268 2011-05-06 06:44:39 <ArtForz> like... mining powered heated floors ;)
269 2011-05-06 06:44:50 <gjs278> 350 for the card AND the block included?
270 2011-05-06 06:44:55 <[Tycho]> Yes.
271 2011-05-06 06:44:58 <gjs278> dang
272 2011-05-06 06:45:11 <gjs278> everything I saw was $450 if I wanted the block (i didnt)
273 2011-05-06 06:45:22 <ArtForz> plumbing watercooled PCs into low-temp heating loops with a plate exchangers is rather simple
274 2011-05-06 06:45:59 <scottlad> Hello, Anyone need any hosting, We have dedicated servers...vps...basic pacjages .... shoiutcast
275 2011-05-06 06:46:01 <gjs278> my breaking even for everything is 11 days
276 2011-05-06 06:46:12 <bk128> ArtForz: does running the card cooler reduce power consumption at all?
277 2011-05-06 06:46:18 <bk128> besides fan power
278 2011-05-06 06:46:23 <ArtForz> yes
279 2011-05-06 06:47:01 <[Tycho]> Leakage loss ?
280 2011-05-06 06:47:04 <ArtForz> yep
281 2011-05-06 06:47:14 <ArtForz> and RDS(on) loss of the VRM FETs
282 2011-05-06 06:47:35 <bk128> is it significant for 50C vs 80C?
283 2011-05-06 06:47:40 <ArtForz> yep
284 2011-05-06 06:47:40 <gjs278> lol
285 2011-05-06 06:47:48 <gjs278> if you are at 80c you really should get that down
286 2011-05-06 06:47:58 <ArtForz> well, a few watts
287 2011-05-06 06:48:05 <bk128> so it's not 20%
288 2011-05-06 06:48:08 <ArtForz> nope
289 2011-05-06 06:48:10 <bk128> I'm at 78C
290 2011-05-06 06:48:17 <gjs278> whats your memclock
291 2011-05-06 06:48:28 <bk128> as low as it will go without hacking the card
292 2011-05-06 06:48:36 <gjs278> linux or windows
293 2011-05-06 06:48:39 <bk128> they're 5870s (xfx) shitty cooler
294 2011-05-06 06:48:44 <bk128> debian
295 2011-05-06 06:48:45 <gjs278> oh
296 2011-05-06 06:48:47 <gjs278> well
297 2011-05-06 06:48:55 <gjs278> you can lower your memclock on 5870s but it hurt my performance
298 2011-05-06 06:49:14 <bk128> I'm convinced the fan on the thing does more harm than good, it moves no air out the back
299 2011-05-06 06:49:25 <gjs278> get a 120mm fan and just put it near the back of the card
300 2011-05-06 06:49:31 <gjs278> it will help a lot
301 2011-05-06 06:49:34 <gjs278> wow
302 2011-05-06 06:50:03 <gjs278> my 5970 is less than 78c with just the reference cooler, lower mem clock, and a 120mm fan
303 2011-05-06 06:50:10 <scottlad> Hello, Anyone need any hosting, We have dedicated servers...vps...basic pacjages .... shoiutcast
304 2011-05-06 06:50:20 <gjs278> I'm at 69c right now at 70^ fan which is pretty quiet compared to the rest of my room
305 2011-05-06 06:52:08 <scottlad> http://www.soulacehosting.net
306 2011-05-06 06:52:14 <scottlad> cheap reliable hosting
307 2011-05-06 06:52:26 <gjs278> lol
308 2011-05-06 06:55:41 <sipa> ;;bc,gen 1497000
309 2011-05-06 06:55:42 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1497000 Khps, given current difficulty of 109670.13329248 , is 13.7295819795 BTC per day and 0.572065915813 BTC per hour.
310 2011-05-06 07:00:55 <Keefe> for the uninformed... many people have alleged that scottlad/skizza1 scammed or tried to scam them
311 2011-05-06 07:01:52 <[Tycho]> He asked me in PM too :)
312 2011-05-06 07:01:55 <gjs278> same
313 2011-05-06 07:01:58 <bk128> gjs278: yeah, I have a card with a reference cooler that stays under 70C without the nice case
314 2011-05-06 07:02:23 <bk128> same about scottlad
315 2011-05-06 07:02:24 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
316 2011-05-06 07:02:35 <scottlad> ??
317 2011-05-06 07:02:38 <gjs278> gribble you faggot robot answer me
318 2011-05-06 07:02:39 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":3.5998,"low":3.29,"vol":29393,"buy":3.452,"sell":3.549,"last":3.549}}
319 2011-05-06 07:02:49 <gjs278> 3.45 looking pretty good
320 2011-05-06 07:03:14 <bk128> just mentioning that you advertised your hosting services to me
321 2011-05-06 07:03:30 <bk128> gribble is having a rough night
322 2011-05-06 07:07:29 <Keefe> for the record, scottlad insists he made things right. i'll try to collect more info before further comment
323 2011-05-06 07:08:42 <sipa> ;;bc,stats
324 2011-05-06 07:08:46 <gribble> Current Blocks: 122200 | Current Difficulty: 109670.13329248 | Next Difficulty At Block: 122975 | Next Difficulty In: 775 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 20 hours, 34 minutes, and 10 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 150980.25720455
325 2011-05-06 07:08:56 <sipa> 150K diff :o
326 2011-05-06 07:12:07 <bk128> also watch out for dougj
327 2011-05-06 07:13:48 <bk128> "rate DougJ -3 owes $503.7 for 138 coins sent to http://blockexplorer.com/address/195RAmL2bSiEBDSohC6csEMTmgfDrCtnoT"
328 2011-05-06 07:14:21 <scottlad> bk128
329 2011-05-06 07:14:28 <scottlad> i scammed no one we had misunderstandin
330 2011-05-06 07:14:31 <scottlad> all sorted now
331 2011-05-06 07:14:48 <bk128> scottlad: okay, I'm not concerned about it.  I never accused you of scamming anyone...
332 2011-05-06 07:14:57 <scottlad> u selling coins?
333 2011-05-06 07:15:05 <bk128> nope
334 2011-05-06 07:17:01 <UukGoblin> nanotube, 0-value output transactions can be considered as spent instantly
335 2011-05-06 07:17:21 <gjs278> sweet
336 2011-05-06 07:17:23 <gjs278> coins at 3.55
337 2011-05-06 07:20:01 <scottlad> Anyone need hosting... dedicated servers vps basic packages we accept usd gbp btc
338 2011-05-06 07:29:16 <eps> in slush's pool, where it says "found blocks", does that mean I would have got the 50BTC if I had been mining on my own?
339 2011-05-06 07:29:34 <eps> ignoring the butterfly effect, etc..
340 2011-05-06 07:29:36 <BlueMatt> not quite, it means you generate 50BTC+ for the pool
341 2011-05-06 07:29:45 <gjs278> no he's asking
342 2011-05-06 07:29:46 <gjs278> on his own
343 2011-05-06 07:29:52 <gjs278> would he have gotten 50
344 2011-05-06 07:30:11 <bk128> eps: yes that's what it means.
345 2011-05-06 07:30:16 <BlueMatt> but remember, you have to chose who you are mining for and that changes the entire calculation, so not really
346 2011-05-06 07:30:16 <eps> cool thanks
347 2011-05-06 07:30:21 <BlueMatt> probability-wise yea
348 2011-05-06 07:30:49 <gjs278> just know that if you had been solo mining, your house would have blown up. butterfly effect.
349 2011-05-06 07:30:56 <eps> haha
350 2011-05-06 07:31:18 <eps> mine with slush or very bad things will happen...
351 2011-05-06 07:31:37 <gjs278> if it makes you feel any better, I've leeched 53 coins from deepbit now. 203 gained, only 3 blocks found
352 2011-05-06 07:31:41 <bk128> I'm in luke's pool now, no fees
353 2011-05-06 07:32:00 <eps> what is the link to lukes pool?
354 2011-05-06 07:32:03 <bk128> gjs278: it'll even out :)
355 2011-05-06 07:32:20 <eps> ;;bc,help
356 2011-05-06 07:32:21 <bk128> eps: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=6667.0
357 2011-05-06 07:32:21 <gribble> Alias bc,avgprc, Alias bc,bcm, Alias bc,blocks, Alias bc,btcex, Alias bc,calc, Alias bc,calcd, Alias bc,channels, Alias bc,diff, Alias bc,eligius, Alias bc,estimate, Alias bc,fx, Alias bc,gen, Alias bc,gend, Alias bc,help, Alias bc,hextarget, Alias bc,labs, Alias bc,lbs, Alias bc,lukepool, Alias bc,mtgox, Alias bc,nexttarget, Alias bc,poolstats, Alias bc,prob, Alias bc,stats, Alias (1 more message)
358 2011-05-06 07:32:30 <bk128> ;;bc,lukepool
359 2011-05-06 07:32:45 <gribble> Error: There's really no reason why you should have underscores or brackets in your mathematical expression.  Please remove them.
360 2011-05-06 07:33:22 <nevezen> there's a coop mining battle going on? fees and whatnots?
361 2011-05-06 07:33:27 <nevezen> lame
362 2011-05-06 07:33:41 <bk128> it's good that there are multiple pools
363 2011-05-06 07:33:49 <bk128> another link to luke's https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Eligius
364 2011-05-06 07:33:50 <nevezen> yes, more choices
365 2011-05-06 07:33:56 <gjs278> what the fuck is wrong with that robot
366 2011-05-06 07:34:09 <bk128> don't know how accurate this is http://bitcoinwatch.com/
367 2011-05-06 07:34:31 <bk128> probably pretty accurate though
368 2011-05-06 07:34:56 <topi`> i'm setting up my own pool as well. anybody know if there's a better option than to use jgarzik's poold.py ?
369 2011-05-06 07:35:28 <scottlad> WWW.SOULACEHOSTING.NET CHEAP RELIABLE HOSTING
370 2011-05-06 07:35:42 <xelister> scottlad: WHY THE FUCK THE CREAMING
371 2011-05-06 07:35:53 <bk128> BILLY MAYS HERE?
372 2011-05-06 07:36:21 <Keefe> is there a rule against advertising here like that? i would think so
373 2011-05-06 07:36:26 <topi`> I need to write an irssi script that allows automatic ignore of everyone who uses all caps
374 2011-05-06 07:36:44 <bk128> add me to your whitelist :)
375 2011-05-06 07:36:49 <topi`> hehe
376 2011-05-06 07:37:00 <bk128> just in case I say OK or something
377 2011-05-06 07:37:12 <topi`> so, any opinions about pool software?
378 2011-05-06 07:37:30 <bk128> running a pool?
379 2011-05-06 07:37:32 <[Tycho]> topi`, why do you want to start a pool ? :)
380 2011-05-06 07:37:41 <bk128> get rich quick
381 2011-05-06 07:37:59 <[Tycho]> No way !
382 2011-05-06 07:38:11 <bk128> hmm, I should start a pool too
383 2011-05-06 07:39:22 <eps> everyone should run their own individual pool
384 2011-05-06 07:39:39 <BlueMatt> that defeats the purpose of pools
385 2011-05-06 07:39:40 <gjs278> everyone should be in the same pool
386 2011-05-06 07:39:50 <BlueMatt> that defeats the purpose of bitcoin
387 2011-05-06 07:39:51 <ersi> Pool should be closed.
388 2011-05-06 07:39:57 <gjs278> then the pool owner should take all of the coins
389 2011-05-06 07:40:03 <gjs278> and swim in them
390 2011-05-06 07:40:44 <bk128> habbo?
391 2011-05-06 07:40:51 <[Tycho]> Yeah, let the buddies hit the floor !
392 2011-05-06 07:41:16 <bk128> http://www.flomble.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/poolsclosed.jpg
393 2011-05-06 07:42:25 <bk128> I accidentally connected my front panel wires to my motherboard usb header >_<
394 2011-05-06 07:42:48 <bk128> hit the power button on my new system and nothing happened
395 2011-05-06 07:44:07 <dirtyfilthy> Pools closed due to aids.
396 2011-05-06 07:45:47 <bk128> I never understood habbo, never used it
397 2011-05-06 07:45:54 <BlueMatt> what a dirtyfilthy thing to say
398 2011-05-06 07:46:10 <BlueMatt> oh wait, its not thursday, sorry
399 2011-05-06 07:48:11 <xelister> Its friday
400 2011-05-06 07:48:13 <xelister> friday
401 2011-05-06 07:48:18 <BlueMatt> oh god
402 2011-05-06 07:48:19 <ersi> Friday!
403 2011-05-06 07:48:26 <xelister> and tommorow is going to be
404 2011-05-06 07:48:30 <ersi> It's Rebecka Black-day
405 2011-05-06 07:50:07 <UukGoblin> hrm where was this 'unconfirmed transactions' list? thought it was on bitcoinwatch?
406 2011-05-06 07:51:13 <BlueMatt> bitcoincharts
407 2011-05-06 07:51:50 <UukGoblin> ah got it
408 2011-05-06 07:55:37 <ersi> derp, scottlad's PMing random people in the channel
409 2011-05-06 07:55:42 <UukGoblin> can someone help harobed on #bitcoin? he sent two transactions of 0.01 to 1GThcAjepKoffjwDACADmu1QFpjAcf1CJF about 50 minutes ago and didn't get a confirmation
410 2011-05-06 07:56:06 <UukGoblin> transactions aren't very big, one is 223 bytes another is 258
411 2011-05-06 07:56:52 <sipa> they didn't make it into the block chain yet
412 2011-05-06 07:56:58 <UukGoblin> yes
413 2011-05-06 07:57:10 <UukGoblin> I mean yes they didn't
414 2011-05-06 07:57:17 <xelister> scottlad: u mad, mate?
415 2011-05-06 07:57:24 <xelister> =)
416 2011-05-06 07:57:26 <scottlad> what?
417 2011-05-06 07:57:39 <ersi> DerpySpam Hosting Inc
418 2011-05-06 07:57:45 <ersi> A derp a derp derp
419 2011-05-06 08:06:28 <scottlad> Anyone wonna sell 2 btc for ???4.43 GBP
420 2011-05-06 08:06:55 <BlueMatt> scottlad: try asking on #bitcoin-otc
421 2011-05-06 08:07:17 <scottlad> am banned atm
422 2011-05-06 08:07:25 <mologie> lol
423 2011-05-06 08:08:05 <ersi> No shit, sherlock
424 2011-05-06 08:08:25 <ersi> Might it be your PM spamming practises or nicely padded channel messages?
425 2011-05-06 08:09:29 <genjix> bitcoind keeps locking up on britcoin
426 2011-05-06 08:09:50 <BlueMatt> 0.3.21?
427 2011-05-06 08:10:22 <genjix> no
428 2011-05-06 08:11:15 <BlueMatt> IIRC there are a couple fixups fixed in .21
429 2011-05-06 08:11:37 <BlueMatt> lockups*
430 2011-05-06 08:11:47 <genjix> yeah i want the links to specific patches
431 2011-05-06 08:12:01 <genjix> 3.2.002
432 2011-05-06 08:12:47 <BlueMatt> mm, now that I dont have
433 2011-05-06 08:12:57 <genjix> gonna ask on forums i think
434 2011-05-06 08:13:17 <topi`> interesting, diablominer gave a NullPointerException
435 2011-05-06 08:13:39 <topi`> run->update->getWork->doJSONRPC
436 2011-05-06 08:14:37 <jaromil> hey guys
437 2011-05-06 08:14:49 <BlueMatt> hi JaredW
438 2011-05-06 08:14:52 <BlueMatt> jaromil: *
439 2011-05-06 08:14:56 <BlueMatt> damn autotab
440 2011-05-06 08:14:58 <jaromil> BlueMatt: i'm reemerding and will check the link you sent me
441 2011-05-06 08:15:04 <jaromil> reemerging
442 2011-05-06 08:15:13 <jaromil> indeed, i was backed last night lol
443 2011-05-06 08:15:20 <jaromil> baked
444 2011-05-06 08:15:27 <tcatm> genjix: there are lots of good reasons to upgrade to .21: full-precision, sendmany, many bugfixes
445 2011-05-06 08:15:43 <genjix> i don't need any of those.
446 2011-05-06 08:16:23 <jaromil> genjix: which version (or commit hash) does lockup?
447 2011-05-06 08:16:28 <JaredW> hello BlueMatt
448 2011-05-06 08:16:33 <jaromil> i have profiling in autotools
449 2011-05-06 08:16:37 <BlueMatt> sorry JaredW
450 2011-05-06 08:16:41 <jaromil> can find the bug pretty easily
451 2011-05-06 08:17:10 <genjix> no you can't because it only happens after every 4 days
452 2011-05-06 08:17:14 <genjix> or more
453 2011-05-06 08:17:48 <tcatm> that's the RPC deadlock
454 2011-05-06 08:17:50 <jaromil> mmm :/
455 2011-05-06 08:17:57 <genjix> aha thanks tcatm
456 2011-05-06 08:18:10 <tcatm> f5f1878ba104a5d6a32eeb20b341326dca6086a5
457 2011-05-06 08:18:14 <genjix> yep seems you're right
458 2011-05-06 08:18:33 <genjix> because debug.log shows more events after the rpc call
459 2011-05-06 08:18:33 <tcatm> 57b7fe4e6f4f49de0d11d107c24430cd71007c6b
460 2011-05-06 08:18:47 <genjix> cool :)
461 2011-05-06 08:19:11 <jaromil> oh! joyful joyness again!
462 2011-05-06 08:19:56 <jaromil> ok, today i'm going to merge bitcoin master into autotools and then bluematt's fixes
463 2011-05-06 08:20:11 <sipa> BlueMatt: is your iv-enhanced crypter patch accessible anywhere?
464 2011-05-06 08:20:39 <BlueMatt> sipa: https://github.com/TheBlueMatt/bitcoin/commits/crypter
465 2011-05-06 08:21:09 <BlueMatt> sipa: works and is pretty much ready for real-world testing
466 2011-05-06 08:22:17 <jaromil> BlueMatt: can you also remind me the link you gave me yesterday? commit to mingw32 fixes?
467 2011-05-06 08:22:25 <jaromil> can't find it back atm
468 2011-05-06 08:22:45 <BlueMatt> jaromil: its not working, it still needs a lot of work, but its a start
469 2011-05-06 08:23:03 <BlueMatt> jaromil: https://github.com/TheBlueMatt/bitcoin/commits/autotools
470 2011-05-06 08:24:03 <sipa> BlueMatt: there's a typo in the last commit (pleas instead of please)
471 2011-05-06 08:24:14 <jaromil> ack. wow i see nitpicking micro issues like moving HOST_LIBS at the end gosh
472 2011-05-06 08:24:21 <jaromil> didn't knew flags are position dependant
473 2011-05-06 08:24:35 <jaromil> we need moar testing yea
474 2011-05-06 08:25:57 <BlueMatt> sipa: oops sorry (where?)
475 2011-05-06 08:27:22 <sipa> Pleas supply a wallet decryption password.
476 2011-05-06 08:27:32 <sipa> lines 362 and 364 of init.cpp
477 2011-05-06 08:27:48 <BlueMatt> ah, ok fixing
478 2011-05-06 08:28:37 <BlueMatt> fixed
479 2011-05-06 08:28:56 <sipa> nice, i'd love to get this merged :)
480 2011-05-06 08:30:22 <BlueMatt> not sure, I think checking all the keys on startup might be a bit slow...
481 2011-05-06 08:30:27 <topi`> it's all in the details :)
482 2011-05-06 08:30:47 <topi`> BlueMatt: the startup is slow in any case, because of loading 250 MB of db from disk...
483 2011-05-06 08:31:05 <topi`> but, I'll go and have a bike trip today, so no more computers for today :)
484 2011-05-06 08:31:16 <BlueMatt> yea but now it decrypts and attempts to sign something on each key
485 2011-05-06 08:31:44 <sipa> one key would suffice, no?
486 2011-05-06 08:31:55 <BlueMatt> yea, but I was too lazy to code that
487 2011-05-06 08:31:58 <sipa> hehe
488 2011-05-06 08:32:05 <BlueMatt> though it is a just a couple extra lines
489 2011-05-06 08:32:35 <sipa> an alternative is to use a single random-generated aes key, and store that encrypted using the passphrase in the wallet + checksum
490 2011-05-06 08:32:40 <BlueMatt> (it was kinda 4am when i finished it last night so...)
491 2011-05-06 08:32:58 <sipa> so you could easily add a change-passphrase function
492 2011-05-06 08:33:06 <BlueMatt> yea no I was thinking about checksums but frankly its much easier to just check that one key signs properly
493 2011-05-06 08:33:18 <BlueMatt> less space, less cputime, less work, less coding, etc
494 2011-05-06 08:33:28 <diki> i think i broke my gpu
495 2011-05-06 08:33:45 <sipa> BlueMatt: sure, i agree, but now you need to reencrypt everything when changing the passphrase
496 2011-05-06 08:33:48 <BlueMatt> though yea change-password would be nice...
497 2011-05-06 08:33:51 <diki> starts shutting down at the slightest OC or the slightest voltage increase
498 2011-05-06 08:34:03 <jaromil> BTW jgarzik says we shouldn't have libtool. if there is noone actually happy with it i'll proceed ripping it away
499 2011-05-06 08:34:05 <BlueMatt> reencrypting everything isnt really that much in this case
500 2011-05-06 08:34:33 <sipa> jaromil: i know too little about autoconf/libtool
501 2011-05-06 08:34:52 <BlueMatt> I know nothing about autoconf/libtool (or C++ for that matter_
502 2011-05-06 08:34:52 <sipa> jaromil: can you explain me the advantages of using libtool?
503 2011-05-06 08:34:54 <BlueMatt> )*
504 2011-05-06 08:35:08 <jaromil> theoretically is not needed *now*, following the rationale of having self-contained commits
505 2011-05-06 08:35:21 <jaromil> libtool serves to build and install correctly shared libraries
506 2011-05-06 08:35:35 <jaromil> it sets ABI versioning in them
507 2011-05-06 08:35:51 <sipa> but for now we don't have a shared library, and it is easy to add libtool to the build process once we do?
508 2011-05-06 08:35:53 <jaromil> and takes care of that messy linking of different versions and stuff
509 2011-05-06 08:36:01 <jaromil> yes it is easy also later
510 2011-05-06 08:36:19 <jaromil> so we leave it out for now
511 2011-05-06 08:36:41 <jaromil> noinst_LIBRARY should suffice as jgarzik commented
512 2011-05-06 08:36:54 <BlueMatt> fair enough
513 2011-05-06 08:37:29 <sipa> sounds like the best option for now
514 2011-05-06 08:42:40 <UukGoblin> quite a lot of these unconfirms
515 2011-05-06 08:43:07 <sipa> yes
516 2011-05-06 08:43:28 <sipa> ;;bc,help
517 2011-05-06 08:43:29 <gribble> Alias bc,avgprc, Alias bc,bcm, Alias bc,blocks, Alias bc,btcex, Alias bc,calc, Alias bc,calcd, Alias bc,channels, Alias bc,diff, Alias bc,eligius, Alias bc,estimate, Alias bc,fx, Alias bc,gen, Alias bc,gend, Alias bc,help, Alias bc,hextarget, Alias bc,labs, Alias bc,lbs, Alias bc,lukepool, Alias bc,mtgox, Alias bc,nexttarget, Alias bc,poolstats, Alias bc,prob, Alias bc,stats, Alias (1 more message)
518 2011-05-06 08:43:39 <sipa> ;;bc,fx
519 2011-05-06 08:43:42 <gribble> 1 XAU = 1480.20 USD | 1 US dollar = 0.6862 euros | 1 US dollar = 0.9688 Canadian dollars | 1 US dollar = 0.6106 British pounds sterling | 1 US dollar = 0.9379 Australian dollars | 1 US dollar = 80.3000 Japanese yen | 1 US dollar = 7.7716 Hong Kong dollars | 1 BTC = 3.5297 USD
520 2011-05-06 08:43:47 <tcatm> do keypool addresses become "invalid" after some time?
521 2011-05-06 08:43:58 <sipa> tcatm: not afaik
522 2011-05-06 08:44:03 <tcatm> hrm.
523 2011-05-06 08:44:10 <diki> XAU?
524 2011-05-06 08:44:13 <sipa> why?
525 2011-05-06 08:44:47 <tcatm> I decrypted my savings wallet, send some coins + change, decrypted wallet again and lost the change.
526 2011-05-06 08:46:01 <UukGoblin> there's even a transaction for ~5 BTC with a 0.01 fee and size 326 bytes which wasn't included... bizarre
527 2011-05-06 08:46:24 <diki> yeah
528 2011-05-06 08:46:30 <diki> last night same thing happened to me
529 2011-05-06 08:46:37 <tcatm> maybe some problem with limitfreerelay?
530 2011-05-06 08:46:39 <diki> 1.29 coins didnt get confirmed for a few blocks
531 2011-05-06 08:46:57 <sipa> the strange thing is that it seems so abundant
532 2011-05-06 08:47:08 <sipa> i mean, *most* blocks don't have 27K free transactions
533 2011-05-06 08:47:23 <BlueMatt> I hope tcatm adds the option to show a tx's prio on blockexplorer
534 2011-05-06 08:47:27 <BlueMatt> ;)
535 2011-05-06 08:47:44 <tcatm> i.e. spam tx filling the limitfreerelay quota, then node rejects other tx
536 2011-05-06 08:47:50 <tcatm> BlueMatt: how do I calculate that?
537 2011-05-06 08:48:05 <BlueMatt> tcatm: dont know, have to look at the src
538 2011-05-06 08:48:18 <tcatm> If you do that, I'll add it.
539 2011-05-06 08:51:22 <tcatm> mhm looks like my saving wallet does not have a keypool at all
540 2011-05-06 08:52:46 <UukGoblin> tcatm, could I run a query against your data to see how many bitcoins from the early blocks are unspent?
541 2011-05-06 08:52:59 <tcatm> UukGoblin: sure
542 2011-05-06 08:53:22 <UukGoblin> tcatm, have you got some dumps or something? :-]
543 2011-05-06 08:53:27 <diki> anyone here have aida and a card equal to or above a 5850?
544 2011-05-06 08:53:46 <tcatm> UukGoblin: just a minute. I'll run a mysqldump
545 2011-05-06 08:54:59 <eps> we did that ages ago
546 2011-05-06 08:55:22 <eps> but i can't remember what the result was
547 2011-05-06 08:55:42 <tcatm> eps: yep. I remember asking theymos to run that query
548 2011-05-06 08:55:45 <eps> i think that may have been coins that were never moved after being generated
549 2011-05-06 08:56:03 <diki> anyone?
550 2011-05-06 08:56:11 <jaromil> BlueMatt: i'm wondering how to continue the pull request, i think best is that i push your fixes without rebasing them into the final format
551 2011-05-06 08:56:25 <jaromil> until they get fixed, then the process is visible
552 2011-05-06 08:56:43 <BlueMatt> what?
553 2011-05-06 08:56:47 <tcatm> UukGoblin: might be a better idea to just tell me the query
554 2011-05-06 08:57:21 <BlueMatt> tcatm: do you happen to have any scripts which dump the list of known nodes?
555 2011-05-06 08:57:27 <BlueMatt> or does anyone for that matter?
556 2011-05-06 08:57:34 <sipa> tcatm: there was once a suggestion for calculating how many BTCdays are destroyed/reset, as a measure for spending
557 2011-05-06 08:57:49 <BlueMatt> more specifically one hat constantly runs and tries to keep a constant up-to-date list
558 2011-05-06 08:57:55 <tcatm> BlueMatt: I don't. I think MagicalTux does
559 2011-05-06 08:58:16 <BlueMatt> tcatm: yea, Ive been trying to get in contact with him, but hes been really busy with mtgox
560 2011-05-06 08:58:26 <BlueMatt> shame, I suppose Ill just wait
561 2011-05-06 08:58:57 <tcatm> UukGoblin: 984M 2011-05-06 10:58 blockchain.sql
562 2011-05-06 09:00:14 <jaromil> BlueMatt: nvm will show you once done
563 2011-05-06 09:00:27 <BlueMatt> jaromil: ok, looking forward to it
564 2011-05-06 09:01:49 <diki> as i want to ask that person something, cause i think i may have broken my 5850
565 2011-05-06 09:03:30 <tcatm> diki: I have a few 5870/5970
566 2011-05-06 09:04:08 <diki> i was asking about the monitoring program Everest or Aida
567 2011-05-06 09:04:38 <jaromil> oh i love git https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/180
568 2011-05-06 09:04:56 <jaromil> your commits are in there because the fix is unfinished, after all will be rebased into 2 steps commit
569 2011-05-06 09:05:12 <jaromil> did a bit of mess but nothing is ever lost with git :D
570 2011-05-06 09:05:58 <jaromil> basically i also tested merging to trunk myself to check if last week of changes is not conflicting and it goes smooth in fact
571 2011-05-06 09:06:13 <scottlad> ANYONE NEED HOSTING?
572 2011-05-06 09:06:23 <eps> free hosting?
573 2011-05-06 09:06:24 <eps> sure
574 2011-05-06 09:06:44 <sipa> scottlad: the right place to ask is on the forums, if no one responds, please don't keep asking over and over again
575 2011-05-06 09:06:47 <UukGoblin> tcatm, hrm just curious actually when the first spent generation transaction is, for instance
576 2011-05-06 09:06:50 <jeremias> lol
577 2011-05-06 09:07:01 <jeremias> great way to advertise your hosting service, spamming in irc
578 2011-05-06 09:07:04 <UukGoblin> tcatm, at a quick glance lots of the early blocks have generation outputs of 50 that are not redeemed
579 2011-05-06 09:07:20 <tcatm> UukGoblin: yep
580 2011-05-06 09:07:22 <UukGoblin> tcatm, that could give us a rough overview of how much BTC Satoshi is hoarding ;-]
581 2011-05-06 09:07:31 <sipa> 1 million!
582 2011-05-06 09:07:50 <tcatm> IIRC that number was 1e6..15e5
583 2011-05-06 09:07:54 <sipa> jaromil: how would i test mingw32 building in your branch?
584 2011-05-06 09:08:22 <BlueMatt> sipa: on ubuntu? check out my crosscompile branch
585 2011-05-06 09:08:39 <BlueMatt> build-linux-mingw32.txt should explain it
586 2011-05-06 09:08:49 <UukGoblin> tcatm, ah, cool, that's a lot :-]
587 2011-05-06 09:08:51 <BlueMatt> with new build system, look at my branch
588 2011-05-06 09:13:46 <jaromil> BlueMatt: your branch is now merged in the pull request
589 2011-05-06 09:13:56 <jaromil> but we have to fix it a bit, i'm now looking into removing libtool
590 2011-05-06 09:14:32 <jaromil> i understand pull requests aren't for WIP, yet this is such a huge moving around we really need to follow the process step by step IMHO
591 2011-05-06 09:17:26 <BlueMatt> jaromil: fair enough, I dont think anyone minds too much (as long as you make it clear it is not ready to be pulled yet)
592 2011-05-06 09:18:59 <sipa> you can close the pull request and get it reopenecdd, too
593 2011-05-06 09:19:01 <sipa> reopened
594 2011-05-06 09:19:16 <BlueMatt> (only sipa/gavin/etc can reopen a pull req)
595 2011-05-06 09:19:38 <jaromil> i added WIP
596 2011-05-06 09:19:40 <sipa> i'm not convinced of that, actually
597 2011-05-06 09:19:44 <jaromil> ah i didn't knew about reopen
598 2011-05-06 09:19:52 <jaromil> oh ok
599 2011-05-06 09:19:58 <jaromil> anyway i think we are almost done now
600 2011-05-06 09:20:05 <BlueMatt> sipa: Ive looked up and down and never have been able to find it, but Im probably just looking past it
601 2011-05-06 09:21:03 <sipa> BlueMatt: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/123
602 2011-05-06 09:21:17 <sipa> that was before i had commit rights
603 2011-05-06 09:21:38 <BlueMatt> wtf? ok, fine I guess Im blind
604 2011-05-06 09:22:00 <sipa> right top of the comment box
605 2011-05-06 09:22:05 <sipa> below a pull request
606 2011-05-06 09:24:41 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Amir Yalon master * r894031b / build-unix.txt : Clarify the meaning of USE_UPNP in build-unix.txt - http://bit.ly/jJeHhn
607 2011-05-06 09:24:43 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik master * r62b427e / build-unix.txt :
608 2011-05-06 09:25:01 <jaromil> k i removed autotools
609 2011-05-06 09:25:18 <jaromil> ops
610 2011-05-06 09:25:20 <jaromil> libtools
611 2011-05-06 09:25:21 <jaromil> :D
612 2011-05-06 09:26:06 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: can you improve the commit message on https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/197 ?
613 2011-05-06 09:26:29 <jaromil> i'm off to lunch. last thing missing now is to make bluematt's sed into the build system
614 2011-05-06 09:26:40 <BlueMatt> oh god, dont put that in there
615 2011-05-06 09:26:47 <jaromil> or... leave it in contrib/ for now but well worth trying
616 2011-05-06 09:26:49 <jaromil> no i mean
617 2011-05-06 09:26:54 <jaromil> not leave a sed :)
618 2011-05-06 09:27:08 <jaromil> i mean break it up in pieces go through it and merge the necessary changes into the build system
619 2011-05-06 09:27:21 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: the one-line summary of your commit is "If an error is returned, the client won't crash."  That does not tell us anything, really.  /What/ did your commit change?  "Fix crash in GUI <blahblah>" would be a more useful commit description.
620 2011-05-06 09:27:22 <jaromil> you basically lined up all the problems in that sed, shouldn't be difficult
621 2011-05-06 09:27:35 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: the one-line summary should hint at to which part of the code you changed
622 2011-05-06 09:28:35 <jaromil> bbl
623 2011-05-06 09:29:25 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: fixed
624 2011-05-06 09:30:18 <BlueMatt> well, no I changed it but its not pushing to github...
625 2011-05-06 09:30:53 <sipa> use push -f
626 2011-05-06 09:31:04 <sipa> since you're rewriting history
627 2011-05-06 09:31:06 <BlueMatt> did, it just says everything is up-to-date...
628 2011-05-06 09:31:23 <BlueMatt> oh damn, Im not on the branch somehow...
629 2011-05-06 09:31:35 <sipa> :D
630 2011-05-06 09:32:50 <BlueMatt> ok there we go
631 2011-05-06 09:33:48 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Matt Corallo master * r2f62b12 / ui.cpp :
632 2011-05-06 09:33:49 <CIA-30> bitcoin: This fixes that and simply returns instead. At least GTK won't complain. - http://bit.ly/igeOww
633 2011-05-06 09:35:27 <anarchyx> can you put 2 riser cables in eachother and have it work like that?
634 2011-05-06 09:35:28 <jgarzik> sipa: is there a forum thread for your -dns pull request?
635 2011-05-06 09:35:48 <anarchyx> 25 cm of rising
636 2011-05-06 09:36:13 <sipa> jgarzik: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=7123.0
637 2011-05-06 09:38:51 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: have you taken a look at my #crypter?
638 2011-05-06 09:39:19 <sipa> BlueMatt: better post in the forum about it, i think
639 2011-05-06 09:39:27 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: yes
640 2011-05-06 09:39:30 <jgarzik> sipa: agreed
641 2011-05-06 09:39:33 <BlueMatt> yea, I just wanted to ask jgarzik first
642 2011-05-06 09:39:43 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: I think it's time for a pull request + rebase
643 2011-05-06 09:39:45 <BlueMatt> see if I made any obvious stupid mistakes
644 2011-05-06 09:40:24 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: create a new forum thread, and a single commit, and reference the old forum thread and original #crypter work from me
645 2011-05-06 09:41:00 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: alright, just wanted to see if you saw any obvious mistakes
646 2011-05-06 09:48:20 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: sipa http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=7405.0
647 2011-05-06 09:49:45 <sipa> BlueMatt: unsigned char keyData;
648 2011-05-06 09:49:54 <sipa> shouldn't that be a vector or at least a pointer?
649 2011-05-06 09:50:04 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Ehud Ben-Reuven * r0e6d3e..dd86d1 iOSApp/ (83 files in 5 dirs): (58 commits) http://tinyurl.com/3mbwnhm
650 2011-05-06 09:50:09 <sipa> you do a memcopy of arbitrary length to it
651 2011-05-06 09:50:22 <jgarzik> sipa: IPv6 comments added to -dns
652 2011-05-06 09:50:28 <BlueMatt> hence why I asked for comments fist ;)
653 2011-05-06 09:50:37 <jgarzik> sipa: my finger was hovering over "Merge pull request"
654 2011-05-06 09:51:29 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: can you elaborate on "s I don't think its done in the best way possible and wanted comments." in the forum thread please?  reviewers will want _details_
655 2011-05-06 09:51:47 <BlueMatt> sorry, I guess today isnt my day for verbosity
656 2011-05-06 09:51:47 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: summarize what it does, how it works, and what further changes may be needed
657 2011-05-06 09:53:22 <SerajewelKS> i'm having trouble building bitcoin on debian: http://pastebin.ca/2054524
658 2011-05-06 09:53:30 <SerajewelKS> that's the beginning of a very long flood of errors
659 2011-05-06 09:56:04 <SerajewelKS> mm, making bitcoind only seems to go a bit better
660 2011-05-06 09:59:46 <ArtForz> wx 2.6?
661 2011-05-06 10:00:09 <BlueMatt> sipa: and the original version worked fine with keyData and then just referencing it everywhere instead
662 2011-05-06 10:00:12 <ArtForz> I'm pretty sure gui still needs 2.9
663 2011-05-06 10:00:40 <sipa> BlueMatt: it would not have passed a valgrind testing :)
664 2011-05-06 10:00:43 <SerajewelKS> ArtForz: ah, debian only has 2.6 and 2.8
665 2011-05-06 10:00:53 <ArtForz> yep
666 2011-05-06 10:00:53 <SerajewelKS> ArtForz: i tried both... if it needs 2.9 then that explains it
667 2011-05-06 10:01:03 <BlueMatt> sipa: yea, hence the asking
668 2011-05-06 10:01:07 <SerajewelKS> at least miniupnpc is in backports
669 2011-05-06 10:01:42 <ArtForz> yup
670 2011-05-06 10:01:55 <ArtForz> I'm on sid, had to compile wx 2.9 from source
671 2011-05-06 10:02:20 <RazielZ> Core 1 85MHash/s, core 2 75...
672 2011-05-06 10:02:29 <RazielZ> How do I know if I logged in right on the POOL? >.>
673 2011-05-06 10:03:18 <SerajewelKS> ArtForz: good thing i don't use the GUI :)
674 2011-05-06 10:03:48 <ArtForz> for bitcoind you shouldnt need the wx stuff
675 2011-05-06 10:03:54 <ArtForz> just a bunch of boost -dev packages
676 2011-05-06 10:04:08 <xelister> yea
677 2011-05-06 10:04:10 <SerajewelKS> ArtForz: yeah, i know, it's building fine so far
678 2011-05-06 10:04:14 <RazielZ> ok, it got a share, so it's fine
679 2011-05-06 10:04:20 <RazielZ> gpu temp... 95C
680 2011-05-06 10:04:21 <RazielZ> good enough.
681 2011-05-06 10:04:24 <RazielZ> ....waaaait...
682 2011-05-06 10:04:36 <xelister> 95C "close enough".
683 2011-05-06 10:04:38 <xelister> *pssssssst*
684 2011-05-06 10:04:45 <xelister> what smells like plastic becon
685 2011-05-06 10:04:46 <anarchyx> ArtForz: does extending pci riser to 25 cm (putting 2 on eachother) still work? ever tried it?
686 2011-05-06 10:04:48 <RazielZ> it's a 4870x2, I'm used to these temps
687 2011-05-06 10:04:49 <RazielZ> >.>
688 2011-05-06 10:05:08 <xelister> RazielZ: 95 means card will die soon
689 2011-05-06 10:05:09 <ArtForz> anarchyx: never tried it, but with a good cable and at 1.0 speeds it should
690 2011-05-06 10:05:14 <xelister> afaik
691 2011-05-06 10:05:25 <anarchyx> ok tnx ill try :)
692 2011-05-06 10:05:30 <davex__> anyone had any luck getting 6990 memory clocked down?  seems like settings from amdoverdrivectrl don't stick
693 2011-05-06 10:05:37 <xelister> ArtForz: you need to set some options to get 1.0 speed, or does it autodetect
694 2011-05-06 10:05:44 <RazielZ> manual fan control... 100%...
695 2011-05-06 10:05:50 <RazielZ> sounds like I got a turbine next to me
696 2011-05-06 10:05:51 <RazielZ> :v
697 2011-05-06 10:05:52 <ArtForz> xelister: it normally autdetects, except when it doesn't
698 2011-05-06 10:06:12 <ArtForz> then you get to fuck with manually setpci'ing registers to force 1.0 speed
699 2011-05-06 10:06:20 <xelister> :}
700 2011-05-06 10:06:29 <RazielZ> atleast temps are under 90 now
701 2011-05-06 10:06:39 <RazielZ> It usually idles at 80 so it should be fine
702 2011-05-06 10:06:40 <RazielZ> >..>
703 2011-05-06 10:06:56 <ArtForz> idles at 80? where's the bacon?
704 2011-05-06 10:07:07 <RazielZ> lol
705 2011-05-06 10:07:18 <RazielZ> it's been like that for 2 years since I got it, didn't fry any bacon on it yet
706 2011-05-06 10:07:21 <anarchyx> how do you set the speed to 1.0? in bios?
707 2011-05-06 10:07:34 <ArtForz> anarchyx: in BIOSes that support it, yes
708 2011-05-06 10:07:45 <ArtForz> MSI 790FX-GD70 for example doesn't
709 2011-05-06 10:08:14 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik master * r2fb1124 / (main.cpp makefile.unix sha256.cpp):
710 2011-05-06 10:08:17 <ArtForz> just grab the PCIe spec to find the proper pci config register on the card to poke
711 2011-05-06 10:09:11 <mrb_> when I used to mess with PCIe extenders, I tried to stick to 1.0-only mobos for that reason. The autonegotiation was often unreliable and failed to fall back from 2.0 to 1.0 speeds
712 2011-05-06 10:09:48 <ArtForz> yep
713 2011-05-06 10:09:53 <jgarzik> 4way cpu miner removed from client
714 2011-05-06 10:09:57 <jgarzik> let's see who screams
715 2011-05-06 10:10:15 <anarchyx> ;;bc,stats
716 2011-05-06 10:10:17 <gribble> Current Blocks: 122219 | Current Difficulty: 109670.13329248 | Next Difficulty At Block: 122975 | Next Difficulty In: 756 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 18 hours, 43 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 150358.12622948
717 2011-05-06 10:10:28 <csshih> hey all
718 2011-05-06 10:10:37 <ArtForz> btw, with active redrivers PCIe 1.0 works over up to 3m or so
719 2011-05-06 10:11:34 <mrb_> that may be interesting if amd ever removes the 8-gpu limit
720 2011-05-06 10:11:38 <ArtForz> over common SAS cables
721 2011-05-06 10:12:10 <ArtForz> probably eSATA cables would work, too
722 2011-05-06 10:13:13 <ArtForz> well, except they don't have enough data pairs to also carry clock, so you'd need 2
723 2011-05-06 10:13:14 <noagendamarket> http://freedomwatch.uservoice.com/forums/16625-freedom-watch-show-ideas/suggestions/1778101-bitcoin   its in 5th place !
724 2011-05-06 10:13:34 <ArtForz> and the redrivers are pretty cheap, <$2 for a x1 tx+rx
725 2011-05-06 10:14:02 <ArtForz> only somewhat expensive part for external PCIe boxes is the bridge chip
726 2011-05-06 10:32:22 <scottlad> keefe
727 2011-05-06 10:53:27 <scottlad> Anyone need hosting?
728 2011-05-06 10:53:52 <RenaKunisaki> not immediately
729 2011-05-06 10:53:57 <RenaKunisaki> maybe in the near future
730 2011-05-06 10:54:48 <ersi> scottlad: This is a development channel, discussing technical/developer related stuff. This is not #bitcoin-otc
731 2011-05-06 10:55:17 <UukGoblin> these unconfirmed transactions are worrying
732 2011-05-06 10:55:31 <ArtForz> ?
733 2011-05-06 10:55:31 <UukGoblin> there's like 250kB waiting but blocks are like 3-5kB each
734 2011-05-06 10:55:47 <gavinandresen> There's only 4K per block reserver for very-low-priority transactions
735 2011-05-06 10:55:49 <UukGoblin> users can't transfer small amounts
736 2011-05-06 10:55:59 <ArtForz> yay, tx spam doesnt get added quickly
737 2011-05-06 10:56:04 <gavinandresen> Yup
738 2011-05-06 10:56:42 <ArtForz> looks like > 90% of em are just huge chains of spam tx
739 2011-05-06 10:57:03 <UukGoblin> it's gotta be pretty annoying for new users who only have 0.05 to spend from the faucet
740 2011-05-06 10:57:18 <gavinandresen> 0.02 from the faucet these days...
741 2011-05-06 10:57:30 <UukGoblin> and don't get small txs confirmed for very long
742 2011-05-06 10:57:36 <ArtForz> yes, especially annyoing for users repeatedly sending the same 0.02 to themselves over and over
743 2011-05-06 10:57:54 <gavinandresen> Latest bitcoin will tell them they need a tx fee in that case.
744 2011-05-06 10:58:27 <gavinandresen> (latest == 0.3.21)
745 2011-05-06 10:58:34 <scottlad> gavinandresen
746 2011-05-06 10:58:40 <gavinandresen> scottlad
747 2011-05-06 10:58:40 <scottlad> u need hosting
748 2011-05-06 10:58:48 <gavinandresen> i got hosting
749 2011-05-06 10:58:54 <UukGoblin> mhm
750 2011-05-06 10:59:02 <sipa> gavinandresen: ignore him, he's been spamming the channels for some days now with that question
751 2011-05-06 10:59:04 <scottlad> i can save u $$ probably
752 2011-05-06 10:59:07 <ArtForz> annyoing spammer is annoying
753 2011-05-06 10:59:15 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: hes just a spammer
754 2011-05-06 10:59:44 <RenaKunisaki> ah, I was considering taking his offer until I noticed that
755 2011-05-06 11:00:02 <davex__> yup me too. :)
756 2011-05-06 11:00:26 <UukGoblin> there's plenty of these mullvads and vreykajks and whatnot hosting for bitcoins available
757 2011-05-06 11:00:45 <gavinandresen> if only there was an ignore button... hey!  wait!  there IS an ignore button!
758 2011-05-06 11:00:59 <BlueMatt> lol
759 2011-05-06 11:01:05 <sipa> what is this 'button' concept you are referring to?
760 2011-05-06 11:01:14 <RenaKunisaki> if only there were someone who could boot spammers... hey, wait, there is!
761 2011-05-06 11:01:17 <gavinandresen> the amish use them to fasten their clothing
762 2011-05-06 11:01:34 <RenaKunisaki> hehe
763 2011-05-06 11:04:55 <scottlad> how much is 1.5 btc worth
764 2011-05-06 11:05:07 <RenaKunisaki> ;;bc,mtgox
765 2011-05-06 11:05:08 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":3.5998,"low":3.29,"vol":28768,"buy":3.501,"sell":3.5499,"last":3.501}}
766 2011-05-06 11:05:15 <RenaKunisaki> ;;calc 1.5 * 3.5998
767 2011-05-06 11:05:16 <gribble> 1.5 * 3.5998 = 5.3997
768 2011-05-06 11:05:19 <RenaKunisaki> ^
769 2011-05-06 11:05:22 <scottlad> anyone wonna buy them
770 2011-05-06 11:05:57 <scottlad> 1.5 btc for 5usd
771 2011-05-06 11:06:15 <noagendamarket> youre in the wrogn channel
772 2011-05-06 11:06:35 <noagendamarket> take it to #bitcoin-otc
773 2011-05-06 11:06:45 <BlueMatt> hes banned there I think
774 2011-05-06 11:07:29 <noagendamarket> theres like 9000 bitcoin channels for him to spam
775 2011-05-06 11:09:51 <ersi> scottlad: Seeing how you can't write for shit, I wouldn't trust hosting a static page at your place
776 2011-05-06 11:14:15 <edcba> lol
777 2011-05-06 11:20:04 <eps> how come the price is holding so steady
778 2011-05-06 11:20:18 <eps> i thought it would go down after the recent rally
779 2011-05-06 11:20:47 <eps> was thinking about cashing some out, waiting for the price to drop and then buying up some more
780 2011-05-06 11:25:45 <BitMark> because someone keeps buying anytime it goes below 3.3
781 2011-05-06 11:29:01 <sipa> BlueMatt: the allocated data in keyData is never freed
782 2011-05-06 11:29:13 <sipa> any reason not to use vector?
783 2011-05-06 11:35:45 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: ^^ agreed.  vector<unsigned char> is preferred to manually allocating the same, and storing length in a separate var
784 2011-05-06 11:42:21 <sipa> you can use &vector[0] to get a elem* pointer to the data