1 2011-05-10 00:06:55 <Ratt> .4 compiles fine as well.
  2 2011-05-10 00:19:31 <jgarzik> cpuminer v1.0 released: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1925.msg113578#msg113578
  3 2011-05-10 00:22:36 <grbgout> grats
  4 2011-05-10 00:24:28 <gjs278> fucking nfs oh my fucking god disconnect already you piece of garbage
  5 2011-05-10 00:24:30 <gjs278> umount
  6 2011-05-10 00:24:32 <gjs278> umount -f
  7 2011-05-10 00:24:33 <gjs278> umount -l
  8 2011-05-10 00:24:34 <gjs278> nothing
  9 2011-05-10 00:30:26 <jmpespxoreax> kill -9
 10 2011-05-10 00:30:35 <gjs278> there's nothing to kill
 11 2011-05-10 00:30:59 <gjs278> I can't see a single process that would care that nfs is mounted right now
 12 2011-05-10 00:31:09 <phantomcircuit> gjs278, lol you cant
 13 2011-05-10 00:31:28 <gjs278> I'm root I can do anything
 14 2011-05-10 00:31:31 <phantomcircuit> gjs278, lol you cant
 15 2011-05-10 00:31:53 <phantomcircuit> gjs278, when an nfs server fails the client will hang indefinitely trying to reconnect
 16 2011-05-10 00:32:09 <gjs278> I'll wait this one out
 17 2011-05-10 00:32:14 <gjs278> man vs machine
 18 2011-05-10 00:32:33 <phantomcircuit> gjs278, is it still listed as mounted in /proc/mounts?
 19 2011-05-10 00:32:46 <lfm> can you restart the server?
 20 2011-05-10 00:33:01 <gjs278> I've already reconnected but that didn't appease nfs
 21 2011-05-10 00:33:09 <phantomcircuit> gjs278, is it still listed as mounted in /proc/mounts?
 22 2011-05-10 00:33:10 <gjs278> it's taking prisoners this time
 23 2011-05-10 00:33:14 <gjs278> yeah
 24 2011-05-10 00:33:18 <gjs278> and mtab
 25 2011-05-10 00:33:23 <phantomcircuit> gjs278, mount -o remount,soft
 26 2011-05-10 00:33:31 <phantomcircuit> that *might* work
 27 2011-05-10 00:33:36 <phantomcircuit> or you might be screwed
 28 2011-05-10 00:33:44 <gjs278> the almighty hang
 29 2011-05-10 00:33:57 <gjs278> killing nfs serving on the machine serving it
 30 2011-05-10 00:34:18 <gjs278> umount -f returns it's in use now
 31 2011-05-10 00:34:24 <gjs278> umount -f again defeats the beast
 32 2011-05-10 00:35:11 <gjs278> the file I was saving in the middle of all of this got zeroed out but it was worth it
 33 2011-05-10 00:37:09 <phantomcircuit> gjs278, that actually worked?
 34 2011-05-10 00:37:15 <phantomcircuit> i've had to pull the power before
 35 2011-05-10 00:37:27 <phantomcircuit> the system refused to shutdown without syncing the nfs mount
 36 2011-05-10 00:37:30 <gjs278> yeah I'm going for the reonnect now
 37 2011-05-10 00:37:38 <gjs278> just to save this file once more
 38 2011-05-10 00:37:42 <gjs278> and then never reconnect again
 39 2011-05-10 00:37:42 <Ratt> You can't restart the nfs process?
 40 2011-05-10 00:37:52 <gjs278> wasnt any that I could see on my end
 41 2011-05-10 00:38:08 <Ratt> ps -ef | grep nfs ?
 42 2011-05-10 00:38:12 <phantomcircuit> Ratt, nfs isn't a process, it's a kernel thread
 43 2011-05-10 00:38:15 <Ratt> Should have nfsd
 44 2011-05-10 00:38:26 <phantomcircuit> nfsd is for losers
 45 2011-05-10 00:38:27 <gjs278> nfsd was on the actual machine serving it
 46 2011-05-10 00:38:37 <gjs278> because it was freebsd
 47 2011-05-10 00:38:48 <Ratt> So are you like 12 phantomcircuit?
 48 2011-05-10 00:38:50 <phantomcircuit> no but really i've never had nfs successfully reconnect between restarts of nfsd
 49 2011-05-10 00:39:11 <gjs278> every program needs an absolute force kill don't care about the consequences option
 50 2011-05-10 00:39:12 <phantomcircuit> Ratt, im immature on the internet for my age
 51 2011-05-10 00:39:33 <gjs278> just like every windows program should have uninstall buttons in every window
 52 2011-05-10 00:39:37 <Ratt> Fear of RL, ah, got it.
 53 2011-05-10 00:39:57 <gjs278> Ratt you know how to grep for nfs on ps, there is no rl for any of us
 54 2011-05-10 00:40:11 <phantomcircuit> Ratt, i got my eyes checked today, the loverly assistant was flirting with me cause of my baller "there's no place like 127.0.0.1" shirt
 55 2011-05-10 00:40:21 <lfm> gjs278: thats the plug in the wall
 56 2011-05-10 00:40:22 <phantomcircuit> I WAS SO HAPPY
 57 2011-05-10 00:40:27 <gjs278> yeah it is
 58 2011-05-10 00:40:37 <phantomcircuit> also the shirt is wrong which makes me sad everytime i wear it
 59 2011-05-10 00:40:38 <phantomcircuit> :|
 60 2011-05-10 00:40:55 <gjs278> the plug in my wall served me electricity for 277 days straight
 61 2011-05-10 00:41:03 <gjs278> then a 1 second blip killed my super uptime record
 62 2011-05-10 00:41:21 <Ratt> Heh, any server up for 277 days is an insecure server.
 63 2011-05-10 00:41:22 <phantomcircuit> gjs278, that happened to me yesterday
 64 2011-05-10 00:41:29 <lfm> 277 days? mediochre uptime recodr
 65 2011-05-10 00:41:29 <phantomcircuit> i had gotten kexec to work and everything
 66 2011-05-10 00:41:33 <gjs278> dude
 67 2011-05-10 00:41:35 <phantomcircuit> and then pg&e was like
 68 2011-05-10 00:41:36 <gjs278> this is a house connection
 69 2011-05-10 00:41:38 <gjs278> tell comed
 70 2011-05-10 00:41:39 <phantomcircuit> HAHA NOT THIS TIME
 71 2011-05-10 00:41:58 <gjs278> comed is the one with the mediocore uptime record
 72 2011-05-10 00:42:03 <phantomcircuit> Ratt, uptime is preserved across kexec calls, so not encessarily
 73 2011-05-10 00:42:17 <phantomcircuit> although it's kind of dumb since when it does go down you're not really sure it'll come back up
 74 2011-05-10 00:42:27 <gjs278> it came back up
 75 2011-05-10 00:42:34 <gjs278> I don't change anything on it
 76 2011-05-10 00:42:37 <phantomcircuit> gjs278, lol yeah me too
 77 2011-05-10 00:42:51 <phantomcircuit> i left a game running on my desktop that i hadn't saved though
 78 2011-05-10 00:42:53 <phantomcircuit> :(
 79 2011-05-10 00:42:54 <gjs278> the last thing I changed was an update to proftpd then I decided I didn't feel like keeping ftp active anymore
 80 2011-05-10 00:43:02 <phantomcircuit> MY LOVERLY GAME OF RISE OF NATIONS!
 81 2011-05-10 00:43:04 <lfm> hmm target for old security patches
 82 2011-05-10 00:43:09 <gjs278> yeah
 83 2011-05-10 00:43:13 <gjs278> proftpd will get you hacked
 84 2011-05-10 00:43:30 <gjs278> the only other thing it was serving was apache and ssh
 85 2011-05-10 00:43:33 <phantomcircuit> which is why you always run it as it's own user in a chroot
 86 2011-05-10 00:43:35 <gjs278> probably won't get me hacked
 87 2011-05-10 00:43:51 <lfm> apache? hmm
 88 2011-05-10 00:43:54 <gjs278> well that and shoutcast
 89 2011-05-10 00:43:59 <gjs278> now shoutcast might get me hacked
 90 2011-05-10 00:44:05 <phantomcircuit> i've been pissing off people in hacking related channels for years and have yet to be hacked
 91 2011-05-10 00:44:08 <B0g4r7> ;;bc,stats
 92 2011-05-10 00:44:17 <gribble> Current Blocks: 123021 | Current Difficulty: 157426.20628986 | Next Difficulty At Block: 124991 | Next Difficulty In: 1970 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 15 hours, 28 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 228319.57883510
 93 2011-05-10 00:44:28 <gjs278> when I was like 13 people on fake hacker sites always insisted they could hack you with your ip address
 94 2011-05-10 00:44:35 <phantomcircuit> lol
 95 2011-05-10 00:44:48 <gjs278> I believe this difficulty to be true
 96 2011-05-10 00:45:06 <phantomcircuit> gjs278, my favorite is giving h4x0rz an account on a vm and laughing as they try to hack the virtual network
 97 2011-05-10 00:45:24 <gjs278> actually one time I had apache on windows 98
 98 2011-05-10 00:45:28 <gjs278> and that actually did get haxed
 99 2011-05-10 00:45:45 <phantomcircuit> oh snaps
100 2011-05-10 00:45:49 <gjs278> yeah
101 2011-05-10 00:45:51 <phantomcircuit> probably got ping of death'd too
102 2011-05-10 00:45:58 <gjs278> the guy tried "ls" like 10 times
103 2011-05-10 00:46:02 <phantomcircuit> rofl
104 2011-05-10 00:46:03 <gjs278> before he went for the almighty dir
105 2011-05-10 00:46:30 <gjs278> it was due to windows 98, it was due to null byte in php
106 2011-05-10 00:46:34 <gjs278> and bad escaping
107 2011-05-10 00:46:39 <phantomcircuit> oh
108 2011-05-10 00:46:58 <gjs278> being on windows actually helped in this case because he had no idea what was happening
109 2011-05-10 00:46:59 <phantomcircuit> lol my high school got bitten by the iis unicode path transversal
110 2011-05-10 00:47:01 <phantomcircuit> that was hilarious
111 2011-05-10 00:50:29 <kika> jgarzik: can someone test if diablominer or poclbm works at my pushpoold? http://201.254.98.122 port 80 user=juan password=juan1234
112 2011-05-10 00:50:34 <kika> jgarzik: all other miners work
113 2011-05-10 00:51:39 <kika> luke-jr: do you see my pool?
114 2011-05-10 00:52:52 <kika> Diablo-D3: can you test my pool?
115 2011-05-10 00:53:58 <Diablo-D3> no.
116 2011-05-10 00:54:27 <sacarlson> kika I seem to see a blank page after login
117 2011-05-10 00:54:32 <sacarlson> with a browser
118 2011-05-10 00:55:05 <Diablo-D3> sacarlson: doesnt surprise me, you cant interact with pools's api with a browser
119 2011-05-10 00:55:44 <sacarlson> Diablo-D3: IC must need some json feed back
120 2011-05-10 00:56:12 <Ratt> I'll push some hashes via poclbm if you want.
121 2011-05-10 00:56:37 <Diablo-D3> sacarlson: well yes, it has to be a post.
122 2011-05-10 00:57:53 <Ratt> Kika: Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
123 2011-05-10 01:00:51 <da2ce7> :)
124 2011-05-10 01:00:59 <da2ce7> G'day ppls
125 2011-05-10 01:02:37 <kreal> |anyone played around with pushpoold ?
126 2011-05-10 01:02:53 <kreal> |cant seem to get it to run, have it complied proper but wont run.
127 2011-05-10 01:03:17 <Ratt> What is the error?
128 2011-05-10 01:03:24 <kreal> |no errors
129 2011-05-10 01:03:41 <kreal> |./pushpoold --config=server.json
130 2011-05-10 01:03:44 <kreal> |and nothing happens.
131 2011-05-10 01:04:04 <lfm> by nothing does it return to prompt?
132 2011-05-10 01:04:09 <kreal> |yes
133 2011-05-10 01:04:19 <Ratt> ./pushpoold --config=server.json -F -E --debug=2
134 2011-05-10 01:04:22 <lfm> does it make log file?
135 2011-05-10 01:04:24 <Ratt> See what happens
136 2011-05-10 01:04:39 <kreal> |it only makes the shares.log in /tmp
137 2011-05-10 01:04:43 <kreal> |nothing else.
138 2011-05-10 01:05:08 <kreal> |oh nice push in the right direction Ratt
139 2011-05-10 01:05:14 <kreal> |invalid database.engine.
140 2011-05-10 01:05:32 <lfm> ??tmp is not a good place for that Id think
141 2011-05-10 01:05:59 <Ratt> That's the default location... it's just logging information anyway
142 2011-05-10 01:06:23 <lfm> ok it records the shares somewhere else too??
143 2011-05-10 01:06:26 <kreal> |anyhow thanks, ill try from here.
144 2011-05-10 01:06:33 <lfm> ok good luck
145 2011-05-10 01:08:33 <Ratt> Records them in the database
146 2011-05-10 01:09:35 <lfm> turn off that log then, its useless
147 2011-05-10 01:09:59 <Ratt> Pretty much
148 2011-05-10 01:10:49 <kreal> |so far so good.
149 2011-05-10 01:10:55 <kreal> |having problems with mysql though.
150 2011-05-10 01:11:22 <kreal> |probably just me.
151 2011-05-10 01:11:42 <Ratt> What's the error?
152 2011-05-10 01:11:47 <kreal> |sec
153 2011-05-10 01:13:07 <kreal> |meh
154 2011-05-10 01:13:16 <kreal> |Ratt: the errir is invalid database.engine.
155 2011-05-10 01:13:22 <kreal> |error*
156 2011-05-10 01:13:45 <kreal> |im going to try and recompile, maybe I forgot some mysql headers.
157 2011-05-10 01:14:08 <Ratt> Sounds like you did not comment out the other DB engines in the config file.
158 2011-05-10 01:14:22 <kreal> |I did
159 2011-05-10 01:14:33 <kreal> |I might need mysql_config
160 2011-05-10 01:14:41 <kika> GOT IT WORKING :d
161 2011-05-10 01:14:45 <kika> jgarzik: i had to disable the login code for it to work with poclbm
162 2011-05-10 01:14:52 <kika> luke-jr: did you read the previous line?
163 2011-05-10 01:14:59 <acfrazier> luke-jr, your pool down?
164 2011-05-10 01:15:14 <luke-jr> acfrazier: growing pains, trying to create a new index
165 2011-05-10 01:15:27 <acfrazier> ah, kk
166 2011-05-10 01:15:45 <gjs278> next time on dragon ball z: the pool is charging
167 2011-05-10 01:15:57 <kika> luke-jr: i commented out the auth code on pushpoold
168 2011-05-10 01:16:31 <kreal> |there we go
169 2011-05-10 01:16:34 <kreal> |working
170 2011-05-10 01:16:47 <kreal> |I forgot libmysqlclient-dev...
171 2011-05-10 01:16:58 <kreal> |dont hold that against me. im tired :(
172 2011-05-10 01:17:31 <Ratt> dude, I just spend 4 hours trying to figure out why my pushpoold wasn't working only to figure out that I had the wrong password set in the client.
173 2011-05-10 01:17:32 <kika> luke-jr: the default login cod doesnt work with poclbm for pushpoold i had to comment it out
174 2011-05-10 01:17:55 <kreal> |Ratt nasty.
175 2011-05-10 01:18:14 <Ratt> Went so far as to put more debug code in and recompile heh
176 2011-05-10 01:18:22 <kreal> |:)
177 2011-05-10 01:18:55 <kreal> |havend gotten so far.
178 2011-05-10 01:19:30 <kreal> |next step is to created the mysql database, by reverse engineering I guess.
179 2011-05-10 01:20:08 <Ratt> Heh I had to pull the schema out of the code, too, but here it is:
180 2011-05-10 01:21:14 <Ratt> table: pool_worker   | fields: username varchar(255) PRIMARY, password varchar(255)
181 2011-05-10 01:21:48 <sacarlson> anyone know how to set the curl -k   "-k" option in pycurl ?  I'm stuck at the https check with error 60 without the -k
182 2011-05-10 01:22:05 <Ratt> table: shares    | fields: rem_host varchar(255), username varchar(255), our_result varchar(255), upstream_result varchar(255), reason varchar(255), solution varchar(255)
183 2011-05-10 01:22:07 <Ratt> That's it.
184 2011-05-10 01:22:56 <kreal> |thanks Ratt
185 2011-05-10 01:27:04 <kika> is running a pool or bitcoin ilegal?
186 2011-05-10 01:27:27 <Ratt> No
187 2011-05-10 01:27:55 <kika> so its not ilegal to run a pool?
188 2011-05-10 01:28:02 <Ratt> No, why would it be?
189 2011-05-10 01:28:08 <gjs278> technically everything is illegal
190 2011-05-10 01:29:47 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,stats
191 2011-05-10 01:29:54 <gribble> Current Blocks: 123027 | Current Difficulty: 157426.20628986 | Next Difficulty At Block: 124991 | Next Difficulty In: 1964 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 18 hours, 35 minutes, and 20 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 223702.67619643
192 2011-05-10 01:31:09 <kika> gjs278: what do you mean that technically everything is illegal?
193 2011-05-10 01:32:07 <lfm> if there are gambling laws in your country, some people might claim bitcoin is gambling cuz it uses random numbers and stuff so theyd say it was illegal
194 2011-05-10 01:32:24 <kika> lfm: no gambling laws here
195 2011-05-10 01:32:54 <lfm> some countries also have weird laws about using any currency but the one true currency of that country
196 2011-05-10 01:33:02 <kika> lfm: bitcoin has nothing to do with gambling btw i dont think gambling applies to bitcoin
197 2011-05-10 01:33:43 <lfm> kika I am not a lawyer so I dont know if a lawyer would think so or not, Im just saying they might
198 2011-05-10 01:34:09 <kika> i have no idea, i dont see anything ilegal on bitcoin
199 2011-05-10 01:34:30 <kika> lfm its like transfer bits on a videogame
200 2011-05-10 01:34:46 <kika> lfm if a bit transfer is ilegal then we cant use techonology at all lol
201 2011-05-10 01:34:51 <lfm> some countries have weird laws about what encryption you can and cant use. bitcoin uses weird encryption
202 2011-05-10 01:35:10 <kika> lfm: what do you mean by weird encryption?
203 2011-05-10 01:35:38 <lfm> kika public key signatures and cryptographifly secure hashes
204 2011-05-10 01:35:56 <lfm> yup
205 2011-05-10 01:36:04 <kika> lfm: linux isnt ilegal here :P
206 2011-05-10 01:36:09 <lfm> you sure?
207 2011-05-10 01:36:34 <kika> lfm: why would it be ilegal?
208 2011-05-10 01:36:36 <Ratt> There's nothing wierd about the encryption.
209 2011-05-10 01:36:38 <luke-jr> Linux is only illegal in Texas
210 2011-05-10 01:36:42 <Ratt> By definition, if it was wierd it would likely be insecure.
211 2011-05-10 01:36:55 <kika> Argentina doesnt have any restrictions on encryption i think
212 2011-05-10 01:37:20 <lfm> ratt the law doesnt care if its really secure or not, they just dont want you doing it
213 2011-05-10 01:37:53 <kreal> |it works lol
214 2011-05-10 01:39:09 <lfm> if your a federal employee it may be illegal for you to use anything but des and aes
215 2011-05-10 01:40:21 <kika> lfm: what do you mean? that federal employees just can use aes and des?
216 2011-05-10 01:40:26 <EPiSKiNG> So I'm trying to use my PCI-e 1x slot for a 5870 that I have
217 2011-05-10 01:40:35 <EPiSKiNG> should I buy a 1x-16x adapter?
218 2011-05-10 01:40:42 <lfm> kika they need special permission to use anything else
219 2011-05-10 01:40:55 <EPiSKiNG> anyone have experience with the pci-e risers?
220 2011-05-10 01:41:04 <kika> what would happen guys if i connect 3 ati cards to a motherboard? no crossfire thing, ill be able to mine on those 3 ?
221 2011-05-10 01:41:21 <lfm> maybe
222 2011-05-10 01:41:26 <EPiSKiNG> kika: yes, with dummy plugs or monitors plugged in to each
223 2011-05-10 01:41:28 <kika> i would have to connect the VGA adapter to only one of the cards to get scren?
224 2011-05-10 01:41:36 <bk128> EPiSKiNG: http://blog.zorinaq.com/?e=42
225 2011-05-10 01:41:40 <kika> EPiSKiNG: i see so i need the dummy plugs?
226 2011-05-10 01:42:02 <lfm> kika on linux or mswin?
227 2011-05-10 01:42:32 <kika> lfm: win
228 2011-05-10 01:42:37 <kika> lfm: and linux
229 2011-05-10 01:42:43 <kika> lfm: whats the difference?
230 2011-05-10 01:42:54 <lfm> linux doesnt need the plugs
231 2011-05-10 01:43:11 <kika> lfm: i see so basically on linux i wont need dummy plugs for the other two cards
232 2011-05-10 01:43:19 <kika> lfm: but on windows ill need them right?
233 2011-05-10 01:43:30 <lfm> well you could just buy extra monitors
234 2011-05-10 01:43:50 <kika> lfm: dummy plugs would be enough
235 2011-05-10 01:43:57 <lfm> or switch the plug for a monitor around a lot
236 2011-05-10 01:44:01 <kika> lfm: anything else ill need to do?
237 2011-05-10 01:44:45 <lfm> I dont really use mswin , its just what I heard
238 2011-05-10 01:45:11 <kika> i see well but on linux i wont need dummy plugs right?
239 2011-05-10 01:45:19 <Ratt> Correct
240 2011-05-10 01:45:27 <kika> lfm: how ill know which of the 3 cards i need to connect the VGA adapter to the monitor?
241 2011-05-10 01:46:59 <kika> basically how ill know which one of the 3 is the main card, or i can connect to any and it would be the same?
242 2011-05-10 01:47:13 <lfm> i dunno, ask Bill Gates
243 2011-05-10 01:47:16 <Ratt> The card in the first slot
244 2011-05-10 01:47:32 <kika> Ratt: wondering which one is considered the first slot
245 2011-05-10 01:47:33 <kika> hehe
246 2011-05-10 01:48:10 <kika> ok guys need to go to sleep thanks!
247 2011-05-10 01:48:12 <kika> good night
248 2011-05-10 01:48:17 <EPiSKiNG> Where's Tycho.. all my miners are showing offline
249 2011-05-10 01:48:33 <EPiSKiNG> musta gone down for a second
250 2011-05-10 01:48:51 <Diablo-D3> not done for me
251 2011-05-10 01:49:07 <EPiSKiNG> wtf!!!
252 2011-05-10 01:49:09 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,mtgox
253 2011-05-10 01:49:09 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":4.99,"low":3.7004,"vol":22806,"buy":4.051,"sell":4.399,"last":4.05}}
254 2011-05-10 01:49:11 <kreal> |Ratt have you got it to update the shares table?
255 2011-05-10 01:51:29 <bk128> how do you make a "dummy plug"?
256 2011-05-10 01:51:43 <bk128> do you just need it attached when win boots?
257 2011-05-10 01:52:49 <Ratt> I haven't tried yet, Kreal
258 2011-05-10 01:52:55 <kreal> |okie
259 2011-05-10 01:53:47 <gjs278> damn
260 2011-05-10 01:54:01 <gjs278> that's some good price
261 2011-05-10 01:54:09 <gjs278> bc,mtgox
262 2011-05-10 01:54:14 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
263 2011-05-10 01:54:15 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":4.99,"low":3.7015,"vol":22832,"buy":4.06,"sell":4.398,"last":4.051}}
264 2011-05-10 01:55:19 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
265 2011-05-10 01:55:19 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":4.99,"low":3.7015,"vol":22832,"buy":4.06,"sell":4.397,"last":4.051}}
266 2011-05-10 01:57:46 <bk128> gjs278: take it in pm with gribble :)
267 2011-05-10 01:57:51 <gjs278> never
268 2011-05-10 01:58:01 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
269 2011-05-10 01:58:01 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":4.99,"low":3.7015,"vol":22794,"buy":4.071,"sell":4.397,"last":4.06}}
270 2011-05-10 01:58:10 <bk128> ...
271 2011-05-10 01:58:31 <gjs278> 4.128 I sell in your honor
272 2011-05-10 02:03:58 <da2ce7> luke-jr, you pool all back up n' running?
273 2011-05-10 02:05:28 <luke-jr> da2ce7: yeah, but I'm suspecting I screwed up big there
274 2011-05-10 02:06:06 <da2ce7> *move back to pool mining to check*
275 2011-05-10 02:06:35 <luke-jr> yep, I did.
276 2011-05-10 02:06:36 <luke-jr> crap.
277 2011-05-10 02:07:30 <da2ce7> it so ins't working.
278 2011-05-10 02:08:01 <luke-jr> it is now
279 2011-05-10 02:08:03 <luke-jr> but it overpaid a bunch of addresses a bunch of moneys
280 2011-05-10 02:08:04 <luke-jr> :/
281 2011-05-10 02:08:10 <luke-jr> and as a result, underpaid others
282 2011-05-10 02:09:10 <da2ce7> :(
283 2011-05-10 02:10:14 <luke-jr> 12.97488243 overdrawn
284 2011-05-10 02:10:26 <luke-jr> guess all I can do is post the addresses and hope people are honest
285 2011-05-10 02:10:50 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc [bc,eligius]
286 2011-05-10 02:10:51 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 6084537.00267 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 1 day, 6 hours, 52 minutes, and 4 seconds
287 2011-05-10 02:10:57 <luke-jr> ouch
288 2011-05-10 02:11:01 <luke-jr> 6 GH :|
289 2011-05-10 02:11:22 <da2ce7> ah... I cannot conenct to the pool
290 2011-05-10 02:12:49 <luke-jr> da2ce7: fixed
291 2011-05-10 02:12:53 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc [bc,eligius]
292 2011-05-10 02:12:57 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 6084537.00267 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 1 day, 6 hours, 52 minutes, and 4 seconds
293 2011-05-10 02:13:24 <da2ce7> Yep back up and running
294 2011-05-10 02:14:23 <da2ce7> 1.2GHash/s added
295 2011-05-10 02:14:24 <underscor> Need to find an easy way to convert $50 to bitcoins via paypal
296 2011-05-10 02:14:32 <underscor> anyone have any ideas now that coinpal is down?
297 2011-05-10 02:14:40 <da2ce7> underscor, try #bitcoin-otc
298 2011-05-10 02:14:45 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc [bc,eligius]
299 2011-05-10 02:14:49 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 6084537.00267 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 1 day, 6 hours, 52 minutes, and 4 seconds
300 2011-05-10 02:14:52 <underscor> da2ce7: thanks
301 2011-05-10 02:15:11 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc [bc,eligius]
302 2011-05-10 02:15:12 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 15046702.0937 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 12 hours, 28 minutes, and 56 seconds
303 2011-05-10 02:22:48 <sethsethseth> ;;bc,stats
304 2011-05-10 02:22:53 <gribble> Current Blocks: 123032 | Current Difficulty: 157426.20628986 | Next Difficulty At Block: 124991 | Next Difficulty In: 1959 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 16 hours, 54 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 224796.10837369
305 2011-05-10 02:24:23 <lfm> ;;bc,calc [bc,deepbit]
306 2011-05-10 02:24:24 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 525177000 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 21 minutes and 27 seconds
307 2011-05-10 02:25:33 <gjs278> with the new price rise, I'm still getting $30~ a day on 1.1 ghash
308 2011-05-10 02:25:34 <gjs278> little more than that
309 2011-05-10 02:25:55 <phantomcircuit> lol @ mtgox price spike
310 2011-05-10 02:25:57 <phantomcircuit> someone failed at bidding
311 2011-05-10 02:26:17 <gjs278> it went back up to 4.30 like two minutes ago
312 2011-05-10 02:26:37 <gjs278> imagine the trolling all of the people who set their sell price to $5 just experience
313 2011-05-10 02:26:38 <phantomcircuit> a trade went through for 4.9876
314 2011-05-10 02:27:24 <gjs278> that extra 3 cents they wanted per coin screwed them
315 2011-05-10 02:27:48 <afed> lol what the fuck is that increase from
316 2011-05-10 02:28:01 <phantomcircuit> someone bought a ton of coins
317 2011-05-10 02:28:46 <gjs278> a hero did it
318 2011-05-10 02:28:47 <gjs278> that's who
319 2011-05-10 02:28:55 <gjs278> it was probably ron paul
320 2011-05-10 02:29:03 <gjs278> he cashed out his money from the donations
321 2011-05-10 02:29:10 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc [bc,eligius]
322 2011-05-10 02:29:13 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 27888654.3087 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 6 hours, 44 minutes, and 4 seconds
323 2011-05-10 02:41:31 <sethsethseth> whats the channel that lists all the mtgox orders?
324 2011-05-10 02:42:25 <tcoppi> #bitcoin-market
325 2011-05-10 02:43:22 <afed> i love bit coins i love bit coins meow meow meow meow i love bit coins
326 2011-05-10 02:45:43 <luke-jr> EVERYONE MINING ON ELIGIUS PLEASE READ: https://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=6667.msg113827#msg113827
327 2011-05-10 02:47:02 <EvanR> afed: omg wtf are you
328 2011-05-10 02:47:38 <AAA_awright> Who does the My Gox website?
329 2011-05-10 02:47:43 <AAA_awright> *MtGox
330 2011-05-10 02:48:45 <EvanR> MagicalTux
331 2011-05-10 02:49:01 <AAA_awright> The depth of market chart should be an integration of the points, i.e. the number of Bitcoin available for trade at that price
332 2011-05-10 02:49:09 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, dude...
333 2011-05-10 02:49:11 <AAA_awright> Not each outstanding order
334 2011-05-10 02:57:04 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc [bc,eligius]
335 2011-05-10 02:57:08 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 29549374.9965 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 6 hours, 21 minutes, and 21 seconds
336 2011-05-10 02:57:14 <luke-jr> lost 20 GH? :/
337 2011-05-10 02:59:24 <ErrydayimGenerat> depression?
338 2011-05-10 03:00:08 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, heh i wonder why...
339 2011-05-10 03:00:31 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: ?
340 2011-05-10 03:00:55 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: I think admitting the problem, explaining what happened, and explaining how I'll fix it, is the best way to handle it&?
341 2011-05-10 03:01:13 <phantomcircuit> yeah it's the best response to the problem
342 2011-05-10 03:01:19 <phantomcircuit> but having the problem at all is a problem
343 2011-05-10 03:01:54 <luke-jr> it's a new pool, with new concepts, one of which involves immediate payouts& :p
344 2011-05-10 03:02:08 <luke-jr> can't predict every possible problem
345 2011-05-10 03:02:18 <phantomcircuit> no argument here
346 2011-05-10 03:02:24 <luke-jr> I did 6 rounds of testing before deploying ti
347 2011-05-10 03:02:25 <luke-jr> it*
348 2011-05-10 03:02:44 <luke-jr> now I know to test it with the cache enabled too
349 2011-05-10 03:04:19 <doublec> what happened?
350 2011-05-10 03:04:52 <luke-jr> doublec: pool calculated payouts based on all-shares-ever instead of all-shares-since-last-block
351 2011-05-10 03:05:03 <doublec> ah right
352 2011-05-10 03:05:13 <luke-jr> and we happened to find a block during that 5-10 minute window -.-
353 2011-05-10 03:08:31 <doublec> what are those lists of addresses with 'has' and a negative number in your post?
354 2011-05-10 03:08:50 <luke-jr> doublec: people who were overpaid
355 2011-05-10 03:08:54 <doublec> is that you outing those that got overpaid aloog with their username?
356 2011-05-10 03:08:57 <doublec> that's pretty evil
357 2011-05-10 03:09:01 <luke-jr> ?
358 2011-05-10 03:09:17 <luke-jr> it's all public data anyway, I'm just asking for them to make it up :p
359 2011-05-10 03:09:25 <doublec> it's not their fault they got overpaid. So why are you outing associations of username with addresses?
360 2011-05-10 03:09:25 <JFK911> ;;bc,mtgox
361 2011-05-10 03:09:26 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":4.99,"low":3.7301,"vol":24291,"buy":4.206,"sell":4.3,"last":4.29}}
362 2011-05-10 03:09:45 <jrmithdobbs> overpaid how?
363 2011-05-10 03:09:49 <jrmithdobbs> did i miss drama
364 2011-05-10 03:10:06 <doublec> luke-jr: where is this data public other than that post?
365 2011-05-10 03:10:44 <luke-jr> doublec: http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/bitcoin/pool/
366 2011-05-10 03:10:59 <luke-jr> oh, you mean that part
367 2011-05-10 03:11:26 <doublec> it's the including usernames I think is bad
368 2011-05-10 03:11:32 <luke-jr> good point, removed
369 2011-05-10 03:11:36 <doublec> cool, thanks
370 2011-05-10 03:11:37 <luke-jr> that was mainly for my own reference
371 2011-05-10 03:11:49 <jrmithdobbs> ew
372 2011-05-10 03:11:52 <doublec> none of them are me but I'd be annoyed if it was
373 2011-05-10 03:11:52 <luke-jr> kinda just pasted a text file into there :P
374 2011-05-10 03:11:54 <jrmithdobbs> ya why does that expose usernames?
375 2011-05-10 03:12:03 <jrmithdobbs> fix that
376 2011-05-10 03:12:03 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: ?
377 2011-05-10 03:12:09 <jrmithdobbs> http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/bitcoin/pool/balances.json
378 2011-05-10 03:12:12 <luke-jr> usernames=addresses
379 2011-05-10 03:12:18 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: addresses are public
380 2011-05-10 03:12:22 <luke-jr> or else it couldn't pay you
381 2011-05-10 03:12:29 <lfm> howd they get overpaid?
382 2011-05-10 03:12:31 <jrmithdobbs> wait, i misread your json
383 2011-05-10 03:12:32 <jrmithdobbs> sorry
384 2011-05-10 03:12:41 <luke-jr> lfm: bug
385 2011-05-10 03:12:50 <jrmithdobbs> but yes, who got overpaid for what?
386 2011-05-10 03:12:50 <luke-jr> https://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=6667.msg113827#msg113827
387 2011-05-10 03:12:54 <lfm> luke-jryour bug?
388 2011-05-10 03:13:01 <luke-jr> lfm: yah
389 2011-05-10 03:15:19 <kreal> |jgarzik are you here ?
390 2011-05-10 03:16:33 <kreal> |if you are, in 0.4 of pushpool is mysql coded to fill out the "shares" table?
391 2011-05-10 03:16:50 <kreal> |before I drive myself crazy trying to fix it.
392 2011-05-10 03:17:33 <luke-jr> kreal|: it works fine with mysql
393 2011-05-10 03:18:03 <kreal> |hmm, then I fail.
394 2011-05-10 03:18:18 <luke-jr> and I succeed.
395 2011-05-10 03:18:20 <luke-jr> :P:
396 2011-05-10 03:18:26 <kreal> |everything else works, just cant get it to fill out shares table.
397 2011-05-10 03:18:44 <Ratt> I just tried it, same problem yeah.
398 2011-05-10 03:18:46 <kreal> |oh well might as well just goto work.
399 2011-05-10 03:18:55 <kreal> |just need sleep hehe
400 2011-05-10 03:19:41 <kreal> |Ratt in your config file, I use server.json
401 2011-05-10 03:19:53 <kreal> |insert  "sharelog" : true  under database.
402 2011-05-10 03:19:58 <kreal> |thats how far I got...
403 2011-05-10 03:20:36 <Ratt> Where'd you find that info?
404 2011-05-10 03:20:40 <luke-jr> &
405 2011-05-10 03:21:24 <kreal> |it seems to fail at line 139 in db-mysql.c
406 2011-05-10 03:21:31 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: that would be amusing.
407 2011-05-10 03:21:37 <kreal> |Ratt lurking around in the code.
408 2011-05-10 03:23:07 <gjs278> next time on dragon ball z: gohan is becoming an expert in c
409 2011-05-10 03:23:54 <Jefff> luke-jr, because I don't want to continue to sound dumb, how do you pronounce Eligius? ;p
410 2011-05-10 03:24:28 <luke-jr> Jefff: um, good question >.>
411 2011-05-10 03:24:35 <Ratt> What error are you getting Kreal?
412 2011-05-10 03:24:43 <Jefff> Because, I can't decide on one that sounds good.. ;p
413 2011-05-10 03:24:45 <kreal> |err_out:
414 2011-05-10 03:24:50 <kreal> |mysql sharelog failed
415 2011-05-10 03:25:13 <Ratt> I'd image it's "El-E-Gee-US" or "E-LEE-GEE-US"
416 2011-05-10 03:25:24 <noagendamarket> religious without the r
417 2011-05-10 03:25:31 <jgarzik> I wonder what pool software eleuthria's BTC Guild is running?
418 2011-05-10 03:25:46 <luke-jr> IMO El-EYE-Gee-US
419 2011-05-10 03:25:57 <luke-jr> Jefff: please let me know if you find an authoritative pronunciation
420 2011-05-10 03:26:09 <Jefff> Alright, I keep looking
421 2011-05-10 03:26:21 <gjs278> someone on skype asked me what eligius was today and I felt like an inside trader in the stock exchange for knowing all of the details
422 2011-05-10 03:26:27 <MagicalTux> EvanR, ?
423 2011-05-10 03:26:45 <luke-jr> Jefff: related to the French "??loi"
424 2011-05-10 03:26:46 <Ratt> Well, traditional Latin would be E-Lee-GEE-us
425 2011-05-10 03:26:50 <lfm> L.I.G.us
426 2011-05-10 03:26:58 <EvanR> MagicalTux: answer to the question who runs mtgox
427 2011-05-10 03:27:05 <gjs278> this isn't jeopardy
428 2011-05-10 03:27:12 <lfm> are those luke's initials?
429 2011-05-10 03:27:20 <EvanR> thats so funny i forgot to laugh
430 2011-05-10 03:27:23 <luke-jr> Ratt: interesting
431 2011-05-10 03:27:28 <gjs278> LUKE IS GAY UNITED STATES
432 2011-05-10 03:27:36 <gjs278> thats what it means
433 2011-05-10 03:28:32 <Ratt> The GEE is a hard "G" not a "J"
434 2011-05-10 03:28:48 <gjs278> I really think hard and soft g should be flipped
435 2011-05-10 03:29:03 <gjs278> JIFF sounds hard
436 2011-05-10 03:29:14 <Ratt> It's about the glottal
437 2011-05-10 03:29:22 <Ratt> That defines hard and soft
438 2011-05-10 03:29:24 <gjs278> is glottal soft or hard
439 2011-05-10 03:29:35 <Jefff> In classical latin, yes..
440 2011-05-10 03:29:39 <gjs278> mignightmagic stop trolling
441 2011-05-10 03:29:41 <Jefff> All 'g's are hard..
442 2011-05-10 03:29:41 <Ratt> A glottal stop is typically a hard consonent
443 2011-05-10 03:29:51 <Ratt> All G's are not hard.
444 2011-05-10 03:30:00 <gjs278> all the g's I know are hard
445 2011-05-10 03:30:11 <Ratt> Giraffe
446 2011-05-10 03:30:17 <gjs278> is that hard or soft
447 2011-05-10 03:30:20 <Ratt> Soft
448 2011-05-10 03:30:22 <gjs278> yeah
449 2011-05-10 03:30:25 <gjs278> they need to flip it
450 2011-05-10 03:30:26 <Jefff> Unless it's outside my, admittadly limited latin experience..
451 2011-05-10 03:30:30 <Jefff> I meant in Latin..
452 2011-05-10 03:30:33 <Ratt> Oh
453 2011-05-10 03:30:39 <Ratt> Yeah, Jeff, I agree
454 2011-05-10 03:30:40 <gjs278> giraffe should be hard
455 2011-05-10 03:30:40 <Jefff> English has plenty of soft g's..
456 2011-05-10 03:30:45 <gjs278> because you have to use your teeth
457 2011-05-10 03:30:47 <Jefff> Like, Gigantic..
458 2011-05-10 03:31:03 <Ratt> You still here Kreal?
459 2011-05-10 03:31:10 <Jefff> All C's in Latin are hard also, if I remember correctly..
460 2011-05-10 03:31:13 <gjs278> gun just sounds soft
461 2011-05-10 03:31:14 <Ratt> Or Jiggawatt... I kid.. I kid.
462 2011-05-10 03:31:37 <Ratt> It's not about the sound, it's about the friction and plosive positioning of the tongue
463 2011-05-10 03:31:41 <Jefff> Technically, jiggawatt is more right.. ;p
464 2011-05-10 03:31:49 <luke-jr> Jefff: technically, SI sucks
465 2011-05-10 03:31:52 <Jefff> Because 'giga' comes from 'gigantic'.. ;p
466 2011-05-10 03:32:05 <Jefff> I like SI.. It's useful for engineering and stuff..
467 2011-05-10 03:32:12 <gjs278> yeah except I don't move my tongue when I say gun
468 2011-05-10 03:32:15 <luke-jr> it's inferior!
469 2011-05-10 03:32:16 <gjs278> oh wow I do
470 2011-05-10 03:32:23 <gjs278> well
471 2011-05-10 03:32:24 <gjs278> only for the n
472 2011-05-10 03:32:26 <gjs278> not the g
473 2011-05-10 03:32:28 <luke-jr> lol
474 2011-05-10 03:32:42 <luke-jr> someone tell midnightmagic to stop flooding
475 2011-05-10 03:32:48 <gjs278> he's trolling
476 2011-05-10 03:32:54 <gjs278> no client could flood this long
477 2011-05-10 03:32:58 <Ratt> You can't say gun without moving your tongue heh
478 2011-05-10 03:33:15 <gjs278> next time on dragonball z: midnightmagic is still flooding
479 2011-05-10 03:33:18 <luke-jr> Ratt: I can pronounce it 'kun' :p
480 2011-05-10 03:33:20 <kreal> |yes Ratt
481 2011-05-10 03:33:24 <Ratt> You can't make the G sound, hard or soft without using your tongue. As a soft, it's a fricative and as a hard it's a plosive.
482 2011-05-10 03:33:38 <gjs278> I can go guh all day without moving my tongue
483 2011-05-10 03:33:41 <Ratt> K is just further forward on the tongue than G
484 2011-05-10 03:33:54 <gjs278> if I had no tongue I could say guh
485 2011-05-10 03:33:58 <Ratt> No you can't, it's impossible to make a G sound without the tongue
486 2011-05-10 03:34:00 <gjs278> I'll go find out for real
487 2011-05-10 03:34:00 <luke-jr> aha
488 2011-05-10 03:34:09 <luke-jr> I just said 'gun' w/o *moving* my tongue
489 2011-05-10 03:34:25 <gjs278> see it should be the other way around
490 2011-05-10 03:34:29 <Ratt> For the record, I'm a linguist.  I'm telling you, you can't do it.
491 2011-05-10 03:34:31 <gjs278> because it's harder to say gif than gun
492 2011-05-10 03:34:38 <gjs278> gif requires more effort
493 2011-05-10 03:34:40 <gjs278> it's harder
494 2011-05-10 03:35:24 <gjs278> I just held my tongue down I couldnt say gif, but I could still go "guh" all day
495 2011-05-10 03:35:51 <gjs278> report my findings to the linguists
496 2011-05-10 03:36:11 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc [bc,eligius]
497 2011-05-10 03:36:14 <Ratt> Steve Wilhite notwithstanding, GIF is a hard G.
498 2011-05-10 03:36:16 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 34202256.2338 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 5 hours, 29 minutes, and 28 seconds
499 2011-05-10 03:36:23 <gjs278> oh
500 2011-05-10 03:36:24 <gjs278> I meant jiff
501 2011-05-10 03:36:33 <Ratt> You might be saying HUH, not GUH
502 2011-05-10 03:36:51 <gjs278> I sound exactly like banjo from banjokazooie I can assure you I am saying guh
503 2011-05-10 03:37:07 <Ratt> You do know your tongue goes down the back of your throat right?
504 2011-05-10 03:37:11 <gjs278> yeah
505 2011-05-10 03:38:44 <kreal> |whatsup Ratt?
506 2011-05-10 03:39:40 <Ratt> Oh.. umm, yeah, I'm not seeing any output that indicates there's a problem with the shares.  Not that I'm getting any shares into the database though.
507 2011-05-10 03:40:12 <kreal> |hmmm
508 2011-05-10 03:40:34 <kreal> |but yeah no errors, just no insert to db.
509 2011-05-10 03:40:56 <kreal> |trying to make a manual entry at the function  my_sharelog.
510 2011-05-10 03:43:09 <gjs278> ;;bc,stats
511 2011-05-10 03:43:12 <gribble> Current Blocks: 123043 | Current Difficulty: 157426.20628986 | Next Difficulty At Block: 124991 | Next Difficulty In: 1948 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 4 hours, 2 minutes, and 28 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 212569.98226351
512 2011-05-10 03:45:13 <noagendamarket> http://twitter.com/#!/jason
513 2011-05-10 03:52:25 <phantomcircuit> noagendamarket, plz2tweethim https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Trade
514 2011-05-10 03:52:46 <noagendamarket> ok
515 2011-05-10 03:57:13 <ntosme2> it's pretty obvious when the pool blips because all my gpu fans ramp down lol
516 2011-05-10 03:58:07 <jrmithdobbs> um, is there a way to back out a txn that doesn't look like anyone's going to encode in a block?
517 2011-05-10 03:58:46 <sipa> no
518 2011-05-10 03:58:50 <jrmithdobbs> shit
519 2011-05-10 03:59:04 <jrmithdobbs> didn't have a fee set on bitcoind and sent a sub bitcoin txn
520 2011-05-10 03:59:18 <jrmithdobbs> that should probably default to 0.01 if not in conf file
521 2011-05-10 03:59:56 <sipa> the client will not create a sub-0.01 output without fee
522 2011-05-10 03:59:59 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Daniel Folkinshteyn * rf5b67ffe1db8 supybot-bitcoin-marketmonitor/GPG/ (plugin.py test.py): GPG: for eauth/eregister, add linefeed to the encrypted string http://tinyurl.com/3g3djem
523 2011-05-10 04:00:05 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik * r8c153571b6b9 pushpool/db-mysql.c: db-mysql: provide more fine-grained diagnostics upon db failure http://tinyurl.com/3vhsmmv
524 2011-05-10 04:00:10 <jrmithdobbs> i'm watching and will see what will happen
525 2011-05-10 04:00:20 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: didn't use the client. used bitcoind with an rpc call
526 2011-05-10 04:00:37 <sipa> even then
527 2011-05-10 04:00:53 <jrmithdobbs> i'll watch the next few blocks and see if it shows up
528 2011-05-10 04:01:08 <sipa> is it on http://bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin ?
529 2011-05-10 04:01:26 <jrmithdobbs> it's not showing on blockexplorer yet
530 2011-05-10 04:01:46 <doublec> by sub bitcoin I assume you mean somewhere between 0.01 and 0.99?
531 2011-05-10 04:01:53 <doublec> not less than 0.01?
532 2011-05-10 04:02:19 <jrmithdobbs> yes
533 2011-05-10 04:02:20 <sipa> ah right
534 2011-05-10 04:02:47 <jrmithdobbs> ya there's been two blocks since
535 2011-05-10 04:02:48 <jrmithdobbs> hmmm
536 2011-05-10 04:02:50 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
537 2011-05-10 04:02:50 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":4.99,"low":3.7301,"vol":25942,"buy":4.31,"sell":4.46,"last":4.38}}
538 2011-05-10 04:03:16 <jgarzik> luke-jr: I'm seeing leaking here too
539 2011-05-10 04:03:21 <jrmithdobbs> and i know that bitcoind has pushed it out because: "connections" : 339
540 2011-05-10 04:05:01 <jrmithdobbs> should be txn 694ffe8964bed06ba21c4dce22e1b5bb79b6a1952ffadf38815fb0c88312246c
541 2011-05-10 04:05:49 <jrmithdobbs> it's on bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin
542 2011-05-10 04:08:02 <jrmithdobbs> thoughts?
543 2011-05-10 04:45:58 <sipa> ;;bc,calc [bc,eligius]
544 2011-05-10 04:46:00 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 32856499.8144 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 5 hours, 42 minutes, and 58 seconds
545 2011-05-10 05:08:48 <topi`_> jrmithdobbs: some days ago, I tried some txs of 0.01 btc and somehow the client put a 0.01 btc txfee on them, although I did not request it. I was also using the rpc interface
546 2011-05-10 05:12:09 <kreal> |Ratt?
547 2011-05-10 05:12:27 <kreal> |Made it work...
548 2011-05-10 05:16:01 <jrmithdobbs> topi`_: it eventually went through, took a few blocks
549 2011-05-10 05:16:07 <jrmithdobbs> topi`_: like 8
550 2011-05-10 05:20:53 <topi`_> jrmithdobbs: and without a tx fee?
551 2011-05-10 05:21:04 <jrmithdobbs> topi`_: yup
552 2011-05-10 05:21:27 <topi`_> hmmm
553 2011-05-10 05:23:24 <topi`_> has anyone read the "business is programming" article about bitcoin where the author bashes bitcoin on the basis that gold standard can't work?
554 2011-05-10 05:23:40 <topi`_> "Bitcoin removes government control over the economy, which means there is *no* control over the economy"
555 2011-05-10 05:23:59 <topi`_> I wonder what's his idea of control... a few semi-intelligent head honchos in a round table at the central bank?
556 2011-05-10 05:29:02 <Diablo-D3> [03:23:39] <topi`_> "Bitcoin removes government control over the economy, which means there is *no* control over the economy"
557 2011-05-10 05:29:03 <Diablo-D3> uh
558 2011-05-10 05:29:05 <Diablo-D3> lolololol
559 2011-05-10 05:29:08 <Diablo-D3> I dont think so Tim
560 2011-05-10 05:31:41 <Diablo-D3> http://www.fudzilla.com/graphics/item/22656-powercolor-shows-its-dual-headed-barts-card
561 2011-05-10 05:31:44 <Diablo-D3> that still pisses me off
562 2011-05-10 05:31:56 <jrmithdobbs> why
563 2011-05-10 05:32:02 <Diablo-D3> a single 6970 will rape two 6850s, and I doubt those are full 6850s
564 2011-05-10 05:34:56 <gjs278> get a 6990 instead
565 2011-05-10 05:35:07 <Diablo-D3> gjs278: you're missing the point here
566 2011-05-10 05:35:12 <Diablo-D3> thats not a sanctioned AMD product
567 2011-05-10 05:35:28 <Diablo-D3> its a solution in search of a problem
568 2011-05-10 05:35:40 <gjs278> needs a higher powerlevel
569 2011-05-10 05:35:59 <jrmithdobbs> nothing to get pissed about tho
570 2011-05-10 05:36:11 <Diablo-D3> jrmithdobbs: yes I do
571 2011-05-10 05:36:17 <Diablo-D3> because people are going to fucking buy these
572 2011-05-10 05:36:26 <jrmithdobbs> so, people buy stupid shit all the time
573 2011-05-10 05:36:44 <underscor> soultcer: so I am
574 2011-05-10 05:37:00 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: what about that pile of garbage at every gas station checkout?
575 2011-05-10 05:37:00 <soultcer> I was here first :P
576 2011-05-10 05:37:09 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: people buying that stuff piss you off too?
577 2011-05-10 05:37:16 <Diablo-D3> yes.
578 2011-05-10 05:37:22 <jrmithdobbs> take a valium ;P
579 2011-05-10 05:37:57 <soultcer> Whoa, I have been in this channel for over a year
580 2011-05-10 05:38:02 <Diablo-D3> 6870 = 151w, 2016 gflops
581 2011-05-10 05:38:19 <soultcer> This means that bitcoin is over a year old too :O
582 2011-05-10 05:38:20 <Diablo-D3> 6970 = 250w, 2703 raw gflops
583 2011-05-10 05:38:25 <Diablo-D3> or about 2x the 3D performance.
584 2011-05-10 05:38:58 <JFK911> what if you advertised bitcoin on talk radio like the guys pushing gold?  do you think people would put bitcoins in their ira's?
585 2011-05-10 05:39:49 <sipa> i don't think bitcoin is ready for mass promotion
586 2011-05-10 05:40:00 <Diablo-D3> JFK911: seeing as you cant? sure.
587 2011-05-10 05:40:42 <JFK911> why couldn't you put bitcoins in an investment account
588 2011-05-10 05:40:51 <jrmithdobbs> ugh, playing with this node hooked up to the tv was a bad idea
589 2011-05-10 05:41:02 <jrmithdobbs> when fglrx goes crazy the tv can't display shit at all ;P
590 2011-05-10 05:41:23 <Diablo-D3> lolwhat
591 2011-05-10 05:41:38 <Diablo-D3> JFK911: you cant put gold in an investment account either.
592 2011-05-10 05:41:38 <jrmithdobbs> it borked the integrated intel driver with something i did a sec ago
593 2011-05-10 05:41:58 <jrmithdobbs> just got a bunch of weird signal out of range (prly dropped it to 320xwhatever) on the tv and had to reboot, lol
594 2011-05-10 05:42:19 <JFK911> Diablo-D3: why not
595 2011-05-10 05:42:23 <jrmithdobbs> some day i'll buy a monitor
596 2011-05-10 05:42:27 <Diablo-D3> JFK911: because no one accepts those.
597 2011-05-10 05:42:33 <Diablo-D3> it has to be a registered investment implement.
598 2011-05-10 05:42:38 <Diablo-D3> ie, SEC managed.
599 2011-05-10 05:42:45 <JFK911> they are certificates representing gold or something like that
600 2011-05-10 05:42:51 <JFK911> i don't know the technical mechanism for it
601 2011-05-10 05:43:08 <JFK911> if it can be applied to those dumb rocks then it can also be to bitcoins
602 2011-05-10 05:44:30 <Diablo-D3> JFK911: thats GLD.
603 2011-05-10 05:44:36 <Diablo-D3> which is not gold
604 2011-05-10 05:44:43 <jrmithdobbs> oh fuck me
605 2011-05-10 05:44:49 <Diablo-D3> its shares in a company that holds a supply of gold.
606 2011-05-10 05:44:53 <jrmithdobbs> it's not fglrx fucking up, it's the damned flash drive
607 2011-05-10 05:45:05 <Diablo-D3> jrmithdobbs: nice =/
608 2011-05-10 05:45:08 <JFK911> well, thats probably one of many tricks
609 2011-05-10 05:45:24 <Diablo-D3> JFK911: yes, and you would get cruified if you made a company that held btc.
610 2011-05-10 05:45:36 <Diablo-D3> not only that, I do NOT recommend putting individual investments in an IRA
611 2011-05-10 05:45:57 <Diablo-D3> thats a good way of being poor and destitute when you're ready to retire.
612 2011-05-10 05:46:13 <JFK911> i am chinese and i have three children
613 2011-05-10 05:46:17 <JFK911> my retirement is set up
614 2011-05-10 05:46:35 <Diablo-D3> YOUR BLOOD TYPE IS A-, WHY NOT A+
615 2011-05-10 05:46:55 <Diablo-D3> YOU GOT 94 IN GYM, GROUNDED FOREVER
616 2011-05-10 05:46:55 <retinal> oh man, I'm so glad I moved away from my asian parents
617 2011-05-10 05:47:13 <Diablo-D3> YOU CANT SEE GIRL.... WHY NO GRANDCHILDREN YET?!
618 2011-05-10 05:47:15 <retinal> rather, I'm so glad I moved away from my asian family
619 2011-05-10 05:47:36 <Diablo-D3> YOU ONLY MAKE $100k YEAR? WHY NOT $1000K!
620 2011-05-10 05:47:49 <retinal> oh man, I can see that one
621 2011-05-10 05:48:07 <JFK911> well if the motivation behind that kind of treatment isn't clear now...
622 2011-05-10 05:48:12 <kreal> |anybody knows how you can get the current hashrate in pushpool, or do i need to code it myself?
623 2011-05-10 05:48:41 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: i only use the flash drive when i'm troubleshooting, usually it's netboot, but damn it i just wasted 2 hours
624 2011-05-10 05:48:52 <jrmithdobbs> because it wasn't logging the crap because it couldn't write to the fucking drive
625 2011-05-10 05:49:08 <JFK911> wow profanity
626 2011-05-10 05:49:10 <Diablo-D3> YOU WANT TO BE WRITER? ITS PRONOUNCE WRAWYER
627 2011-05-10 05:49:26 <jrmithdobbs> i just want to jerry rig this card back in place so i can let the dogs out of their kennels and go to bed, ha
628 2011-05-10 05:49:39 <Diablo-D3> YOU FORGOT TO DO HOMEWORK? WELL I FORGET I HAVE SON!
629 2011-05-10 05:49:50 <retinal> hahaha
630 2011-05-10 05:50:03 <Diablo-D3> YOU GOT A+? YOU JUST GOT RUCKY!
631 2011-05-10 05:50:37 <chmod755> Diablo-D3: sup, dude?
632 2011-05-10 05:51:11 <jrmithdobbs> ok it's not dead, i just need to write to it slower, forget this pny pos is flakey
633 2011-05-10 05:51:40 <Diablo-D3> YOU HAVE NO GIRLFRIEND? WHY YOU SO GAY
634 2011-05-10 05:51:53 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: are they really that bad?
635 2011-05-10 05:52:00 <Diablo-D3> jrmithdobbs: yes, asian parents are fucking nuts
636 2011-05-10 05:52:03 <JFK911> lol
637 2011-05-10 05:52:03 <jrmithdobbs> i've heard horror stories
638 2011-05-10 05:52:03 <retinal> jrmithdobbs: you have no fucking idea.
639 2011-05-10 05:52:15 <Diablo-D3> Im not asian, nor am I friends with asians... AND EVEN I KNOW THIS
640 2011-05-10 05:52:24 <retinal> asian parents and being an only child
641 2011-05-10 05:52:27 <retinal> fml
642 2011-05-10 05:52:28 <Diablo-D3> their assholery is world renowned
643 2011-05-10 05:52:46 <retinal> i'm an adult and they still give me that shit all the time
644 2011-05-10 05:52:55 <retinal> even when I drive hundreds of miles to visit on holidays
645 2011-05-10 05:53:16 <jrmithdobbs> ya i figured it was just stereotypes
646 2011-05-10 05:53:32 <Diablo-D3> not all stereotypes are false
647 2011-05-10 05:53:41 <chmod755> Diablo-D3: lol
648 2011-05-10 05:54:01 <Diablo-D3> YOU CALL ME BITCH? THEN YOU SON OF BITCH
649 2011-05-10 05:54:13 <Diablo-D3> SON, YOU CAN BE ANYTHING YOU WANT, DOCTOR OR ENGINEER
650 2011-05-10 05:54:54 <jrmithdobbs> oh blah no wonder, forgot to put /tmp on tmpfs before running the ati installer, lol
651 2011-05-10 05:56:25 <_ape> tcatm: i can't reach bitcoincharts for some reason
652 2011-05-10 05:56:26 <_ape> :X
653 2011-05-10 05:56:27 <Diablo-D3> seriously
654 2011-05-10 05:56:32 <Diablo-D3> asian parents scare the shit out of me
655 2011-05-10 05:56:41 <Diablo-D3> Im glad I like large american tits, and not dfc
656 2011-05-10 05:57:23 <retinal> voices are my main consideration
657 2011-05-10 05:57:32 <retinal> I can't stand the voice of a typical american teenage girl
658 2011-05-10 05:57:46 <Diablo-D3> dude
659 2011-05-10 05:57:49 <Diablo-D3> fuck young chicks
660 2011-05-10 05:57:53 <Diablo-D3> just give me a CEO of a company
661 2011-05-10 05:58:09 <UukGoblin> ;;bc,estimate
662 2011-05-10 05:58:10 <gribble> 223321.68762521
663 2011-05-10 05:58:11 <Diablo-D3> you know, the hot ones that command attention and can wear one of those female suits very well
664 2011-05-10 05:58:22 <Diablo-D3> and are usually evil and are the villians of the week
665 2011-05-10 05:58:23 <chmod755> I like Intel
666 2011-05-10 05:58:30 <Diablo-D3> you know the kind
667 2011-05-10 05:58:34 <Diablo-D3> that, I'd hit
668 2011-05-10 05:58:44 <retinal> you say that, I think M
669 2011-05-10 05:59:10 <Diablo-D3> wait, the new judy dent M?
670 2011-05-10 05:59:13 <Diablo-D3> nothx
671 2011-05-10 06:03:35 <Diablo-D3> goddamnit MagicalTux
672 2011-05-10 06:03:47 <MagicalTux> ?
673 2011-05-10 06:03:56 <Diablo-D3> my account does not reflect reality.
674 2011-05-10 06:04:04 <MagicalTux> ?
675 2011-05-10 06:04:22 <Diablo-D3> the tally in the upper hand corner does not match the account history
676 2011-05-10 06:04:38 <MagicalTux> nah
677 2011-05-10 06:04:44 <MagicalTux> it's cached
678 2011-05-10 06:04:50 <Diablo-D3> thats lame
679 2011-05-10 06:04:51 <Diablo-D3> and useless
680 2011-05-10 06:05:06 <MagicalTux> I had more urgent bugs to fix
681 2011-05-10 06:05:15 <Diablo-D3> urgent smurgent
682 2011-05-10 06:05:20 <Diablo-D3> conflicting readouts come first
683 2011-05-10 06:05:31 <Diablo-D3> first rule of web development
684 2011-05-10 06:06:04 <jrmithdobbs> MagicalTux: how about some automated us ach ;P
685 2011-05-10 06:06:26 <MagicalTux> jrmithdobbs, it's planned, but for now I'm pending for docs to open new US bank account
686 2011-05-10 06:12:07 <x5x> Diablo-D3, wat's dfc ?
687 2011-05-10 06:13:39 <retinal> drug free communities
688 2011-05-10 06:14:02 <x5x> think fc is flat chest wahts the d tho
689 2011-05-10 06:14:09 <retinal> fine, fine
690 2011-05-10 06:14:11 <retinal> delicious
691 2011-05-10 06:14:19 <_ape> sup ArtForz
692 2011-05-10 06:14:41 <ArtForz> not much
693 2011-05-10 06:14:54 <_ape> i got my rigs up sans videocards today and setup some rudimentary pxe shit
694 2011-05-10 06:14:58 <_ape> with tinycorelinux
695 2011-05-10 06:15:12 <_ape> cant really test it further without a card the driver can talk to, im using some old x650 or something lol
696 2011-05-10 06:15:20 <ArtForz> haha
697 2011-05-10 06:15:29 <_ape> got it for 10bux a few years ago to use while i rma'd my main card
698 2011-05-10 06:15:43 <_ape> 5970 coming tomorrow so i should be able to get it going properly
699 2011-05-10 06:29:23 <jrmithdobbs> ok, everything works when using a non-fucked-up flash drive, lol, goddamn it i just wasted 3 hours of my life
700 2011-05-10 06:30:09 <jaromil> moin
701 2011-05-10 06:30:30 <jaromil> jgarzik: re autotools, i understood now and commented on pull req
702 2011-05-10 06:30:31 <jaromil> 23:54 @<BlueMatt> I thought you did a manual redo of the commit instead of merging
703 2011-05-10 06:30:40 <jaromil> me too i thought the same when reading "manual merge"
704 2011-05-10 06:30:56 <jaromil> please next time use something like "partial merge" indicating you are merging only one commit of the two
705 2011-05-10 06:31:08 <jaromil> manual merge sounds too much like a redo / rebase
706 2011-05-10 06:32:20 <sipa> jaromil: i believe he called it manual merge because he had to fix a conflict manually
707 2011-05-10 06:32:51 <sipa> (though i was confused as well, and didn't notice your commit in the history either)
708 2011-05-10 06:33:12 <jaromil> well i should have looked better in the first place before raising the flag
709 2011-05-10 06:33:25 <jaromil> but i was just in my pijama
710 2011-05-10 06:34:12 <jaromil> i wonder what was the conflict, since i've tested the merge in various phases
711 2011-05-10 06:34:27 <jaromil> gonna look now
712 2011-05-10 06:36:46 <topi`> jaromil, good morning :)
713 2011-05-10 06:36:57 <topi`> it looks you're still in your pyjama
714 2011-05-10 06:41:49 <jaromil> topi`: i'm in working class clothes (checkered shirt) since 8am man
715 2011-05-10 06:42:21 <jaromil> also preparing for pixxxel.net overmorgen, u comin? we have a dinner tomorrow with lekernel
716 2011-05-10 06:42:58 <topi`> what are you going to talk about?
717 2011-05-10 06:43:40 <BlueMatt> anyone care to comment on wallet encryption and decrypt-at-spend-time vs decrypt-at-launch-time? https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/203
718 2011-05-10 06:44:27 <topi`> BlueMatt: I think the choice should be upon the user. since the user might find it inconvenient to have the password for every spend
719 2011-05-10 06:44:52 <topi`> or too paranoid to forget the bitcoin client on the background and it doesn't ask for spending
720 2011-05-10 06:45:41 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: spend time messes up bitcoind automation, so I agree with topi`, both should be an option
721 2011-05-10 06:46:06 <BlueMatt> for fServer, spend time doesnt work, yes that would have to be launch-time
722 2011-05-10 06:46:11 <BlueMatt> but for gui-only users?
723 2011-05-10 06:46:29 <jrmithdobbs> sorry, i haven't had a chance to look at it
724 2011-05-10 06:46:51 <BlueMatt> np, there isnt much to know aside from spend-time vs init-time
725 2011-05-10 06:47:06 <ArtForz> why wouldnt decrypt at send time work over rpc?
726 2011-05-10 06:47:21 <BlueMatt> <BlueMatt> for fServer, spend time doesnt work, yes that would have to be launch-time
727 2011-05-10 06:47:28 <ArtForz> yes, why?
728 2011-05-10 06:47:42 <BlueMatt> well I suppose you could pass the password via rpc...
729 2011-05-10 06:48:00 <ArtForz> that'd be the idea
730 2011-05-10 06:48:02 <BlueMatt> though Im not a big fan of that, but I suppose it could be implemented
731 2011-05-10 06:48:24 <BlueMatt> kinda defeats the purpose of the password if you have to put it in all your scripts and such
732 2011-05-10 06:48:27 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: but what about on block gen? aren't there cases where it creates yourself a new address and such?
733 2011-05-10 06:48:48 <BlueMatt> jrmithdobbs: yea, Im dealing with that
734 2011-05-10 06:48:54 <BlueMatt> just need to fix it up a bit
735 2011-05-10 06:49:15 <BlueMatt> the when-to-topup-keypool and such
736 2011-05-10 06:49:39 <BlueMatt> though for block-gen you dont need to sign a tx, just make one to yourself so you just need keypool
737 2011-05-10 06:50:56 <sipa> the only time you need a private key is when you create a transactions, afaik
738 2011-05-10 06:51:15 <BlueMatt> yes, based on what Ive seen from grep, that is true
739 2011-05-10 06:52:34 <ArtForz> well, only when you spend one of your outputs, so generation can be done with just grabbing a pubkey from keypool
740 2011-05-10 06:52:35 <topi`> i'm using aes-256-cbc to encode my wallet.dat, what does BlueMatt's patch use for wallet encoding?
741 2011-05-10 06:52:48 <sipa> aes-256-cbc
742 2011-05-10 06:52:58 <topi`> cool
743 2011-05-10 06:53:45 <BlueMatt> ArtForz: the problem is topping up keypool requires password (to encrypt new keys) so what if you generate 100 blocks depleting your keypool
744 2011-05-10 06:53:49 <ArtForz> yep
745 2011-05-10 06:53:54 <ArtForz> unless you do what sipa just said
746 2011-05-10 06:54:04 <BlueMatt> I dont see how that helps
747 2011-05-10 06:54:10 <sipa> that way you can generate new private keys without problems, and encrypt them immediately
748 2011-05-10 06:54:16 <ArtForz> yep
749 2011-05-10 06:54:25 <BlueMatt> but then you have the master privkey in memory?
750 2011-05-10 06:54:27 <sipa> no
751 2011-05-10 06:54:33 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: i agree
752 2011-05-10 06:54:34 <BlueMatt> oh sorry privkey
753 2011-05-10 06:54:34 <sipa> you need the master pubkey to encrypt
754 2011-05-10 06:54:41 <sipa> the master privkey to decrypt
755 2011-05-10 06:54:44 <BlueMatt> yea
756 2011-05-10 06:54:47 <BlueMatt> hmmm...
757 2011-05-10 06:54:50 <sipa> and decrypt is only necessary when signing
758 2011-05-10 06:54:57 <BlueMatt> yea
759 2011-05-10 06:55:08 <sipa> and you could either cache the passphrase, or add it to rpc calls, or prompt the user in the gui
760 2011-05-10 06:55:38 <topi`> rot13 the passphrase in the memory, so the attacker will never find it! :)
761 2011-05-10 06:55:54 <ArtForz> rot13 is insecure, use double-rot13
762 2011-05-10 06:56:03 <topi`> rot-fl :D
763 2011-05-10 06:56:08 <sipa> that's outdated
764 2011-05-10 06:56:13 <sipa> use triple rot256
765 2011-05-10 06:58:08 <sipa> can you use use ecies-secp256k1-cbc or something like that in openssl?
766 2011-05-10 07:03:03 <sipa> doesn't seem to be implemented
767 2011-05-10 07:05:11 <sipa> ah well, good old fashioned RSA3072 then?
768 2011-05-10 07:06:59 <BlueMatt> or password-at-init-time
769 2011-05-10 07:09:18 <sipa> :)
770 2011-05-10 07:14:52 <sipa> hmm, RSA-1024 has 80-bit security, RSA-2048 112-bit security and RSA-3072 128-bit security
771 2011-05-10 07:15:26 <ArtForz> sounds roughly itn the right ballpark
772 2011-05-10 07:15:29 <sipa> using a separate RSA encryption for each private key would however have an overhead of 384 bytes per key...
773 2011-05-10 07:15:36 <sipa> * 3072-bit
774 2011-05-10 07:16:00 <BlueMatt> wtf luke-jr your pool payd me 0.00991925?
775 2011-05-10 07:16:08 <BlueMatt> payed*
776 2011-05-10 07:16:26 <ArtForz> BlueMatt: would you've preferred 0.00991924 ?
777 2011-05-10 07:16:27 <BlueMatt> now thats gonna be a nightmare to spend
778 2011-05-10 07:16:43 <BlueMatt> ArtForz: yes, yes I would have
779 2011-05-10 07:17:08 <ArtForz> sipa: yup, which is why using ECC to encrypt the keys would be nice
780 2011-05-10 07:17:25 <sipa> indeed
781 2011-05-10 07:17:53 <sipa> does anyone know the security level and encrypted-data-size of ElGamal?
782 2011-05-10 07:18:29 <sipa> ECC would be very nice, but then we'll need another dependency, as OpenSSL doesn't seem to provide ECIES
783 2011-05-10 07:18:41 <sipa> (which i find odd...)
784 2011-05-10 07:20:50 <gjs278> make it use aes
785 2011-05-10 07:20:55 <gjs278> my processor has aes acceleration
786 2011-05-10 07:21:16 <gjs278> I need to be able to decrypt/encrypt at max speed
787 2011-05-10 07:21:43 <ArtForz> how many 1000 transactions per second are you planning to sign?
788 2011-05-10 07:22:16 <jrmithdobbs> ArtForz: all of them of course
789 2011-05-10 07:22:17 <jrmithdobbs> ;P
790 2011-05-10 07:22:28 <gjs278> I'm going to be hacking wallets obviously
791 2011-05-10 07:22:39 <gjs278> don't key how long the key lenght is I'm going for it
792 2011-05-10 07:22:55 <BlueMatt> sipa: openssl provides ECIES AFAICT
793 2011-05-10 07:23:04 <sipa> BlueMatt: i grepped the source code :p
794 2011-05-10 07:23:31 <BlueMatt> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1152555/how-to-encrypt-decrypt-a-text-using-openssl-ecc
795 2011-05-10 07:23:43 <BlueMatt> oh no nvm
796 2011-05-10 07:23:51 <BlueMatt> that ends up using ECDH
797 2011-05-10 07:23:54 <sipa> aha
798 2011-05-10 07:23:59 <sipa> no, that's probably right
799 2011-05-10 07:24:08 <BlueMatt> but no ECIES
800 2011-05-10 07:24:21 <sipa> ECIES is just a scheme for combining ECDH with a symmetric cypher
801 2011-05-10 07:24:35 <BlueMatt> ah, so it would have to be done manually
802 2011-05-10 07:24:47 <sipa> well, that webpage describes is
803 2011-05-10 07:24:54 <BlueMatt> fair enough
804 2011-05-10 07:25:12 <BlueMatt> well, you can always take a look at my patch/pull and implement it ;)
805 2011-05-10 07:25:28 <xelister> where was the site with expected diff graph?
806 2011-05-10 07:25:54 <BlueMatt> http://bitcoin.sipa.be/
807 2011-05-10 07:25:57 <BlueMatt> you mean that?
808 2011-05-10 07:26:46 <Raccoon0> i have a question about the whole Block Generation theory, in how "difficulty" is adjusted based on block production.
809 2011-05-10 07:26:53 <Raccoon0> Wouldn't it be possible to game-the-system?
810 2011-05-10 07:27:02 <eps1> ;;btc,stats
811 2011-05-10 07:27:03 <gribble> Error: "btc,stats" is not a valid command.
812 2011-05-10 07:27:19 <BlueMatt> ;;bc,stats
813 2011-05-10 07:27:23 <gribble> Current Blocks: 123081 | Current Difficulty: 157426.20628986 | Next Difficulty At Block: 124991 | Next Difficulty In: 1910 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 3 hours, 7 minutes, and 10 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 230710.52681983
814 2011-05-10 07:27:34 <Raccoon0> Say you have access to 100,000 machines generating blocks for a while, which causes the "difficulty" to increase (you're doing so well).
815 2011-05-10 07:27:47 <Raccoon0> Just shut them off for a few days, wait for the "difficulty" to decrease, then start generating blocks again at the lesser difficulty and higher rate of speed?
816 2011-05-10 07:27:57 <tcatm> Raccoon0: yes. that happened on testnet
817 2011-05-10 07:27:58 <Raccoon0> Couldn't someone in theory do this consistantly and rake up lots of BTC
818 2011-05-10 07:28:10 <eps1> yeah
819 2011-05-10 07:28:17 <ArtForz> tcatm: except it's still less profitable than just running flat-out
820 2011-05-10 07:28:22 <Raccoon0> how has this issue been approached and corrected?
821 2011-05-10 07:28:23 <BlueMatt> no, because their miners are off for a while meaning they lose
822 2011-05-10 07:28:33 <BlueMatt> in the end, they get less
823 2011-05-10 07:28:38 <Raccoon0> BlueMatt, not if they own a market majority of mining equipment
824 2011-05-10 07:28:50 <BlueMatt> which noone does, and yes, still lose
825 2011-05-10 07:28:54 <ArtForz> Raccoon0: yes, do the math
826 2011-05-10 07:28:56 <eps1> if that happens we other problems
827 2011-05-10 07:28:57 <Raccoon0> noone does yet.
828 2011-05-10 07:29:03 <Raccoon0> just invite 4chan anon
829 2011-05-10 07:29:11 <eps1> bring it on
830 2011-05-10 07:29:11 <Raccoon0> they would make it happen
831 2011-05-10 07:29:27 <eps1> we need people to try and break bitcoin
832 2011-05-10 07:29:46 <Raccoon0> say we have, dunno, 50000 miners.  4chan could increase that 10 fold
833 2011-05-10 07:29:49 <ArtForz> it's just basic arithmetic, so 4chan would probably fail at it
834 2011-05-10 07:29:54 <eps1> haha
835 2011-05-10 07:30:05 <Raccoon0> hacked boxes, et al
836 2011-05-10 07:30:29 <BlueMatt> Raccoon0: there have been many posts about bitcoin on 4chan, and from what Ive heard many people in anon are very interested in bitcoin
837 2011-05-10 07:30:38 <ArtForz> Raccoon0: yes, totally new idea. NOBODY thought of that before.
838 2011-05-10 07:30:39 <Raccoon0> hell, couldn't someone with a large enough "network" just ""replace"" bitcoin with their own hack version?
839 2011-05-10 07:30:41 <eps1> at this point i would be surprised if someone hasn't tried to use a botnet for bitcoin generation
840 2011-05-10 07:30:47 <Raccoon0> since it's decentralized and no trust authority
841 2011-05-10 07:30:48 <BlueMatt> and still, they would lose money if they stop mining even if they have 99.9% of the network
842 2011-05-10 07:31:05 <BlueMatt> eps1: mm?
843 2011-05-10 07:31:12 <ArtForz> BlueMatt: yep
844 2011-05-10 07:31:23 <fridge> any plans for securing wallet.dat with a passphrase or similar? I know you can do it via other means, but I think an internal system would be a good feature
845 2011-05-10 07:31:29 <BlueMatt> Raccoon0: only sort of, they could double spend but thats about it
846 2011-05-10 07:31:32 <ArtForz> pools also kicked one or two smaller cpu botnets
847 2011-05-10 07:31:40 <BlueMatt> fridge: see my pull req/scroll up
848 2011-05-10 07:31:41 <B0g4r7> what is their goal isn't to get money but to disript the network?
849 2011-05-10 07:31:45 <Raccoon0> BlueMatt: even to stop mining for the minimum amount of time it takes for diffuclty to drop significantly?
850 2011-05-10 07:31:56 <ArtForz> Raccoon0: yes. math. learn it.
851 2011-05-10 07:32:05 <Raccoon0> i knows maths yes.
852 2011-05-10 07:32:19 <BlueMatt> Raccoon0: then do a bit of research on the bitcoin wiki
853 2011-05-10 07:32:29 <Raccoon0> i read the whole damn thing in the past 14 hours.
854 2011-05-10 07:32:31 <BlueMatt> B0g4r7: then yes, they can
855 2011-05-10 07:32:43 <BlueMatt> they can double-spend and unconfirm txes
856 2011-05-10 07:32:55 <Raccoon0> why unconfirm
857 2011-05-10 07:33:02 <BlueMatt> but never create bitcoins aside from what is available for mining
858 2011-05-10 07:33:02 <Raccoon0> can't they confirm theirselves?
859 2011-05-10 07:33:13 <ArtForz> and yet you understood very little, how sad.
860 2011-05-10 07:33:14 <BlueMatt> Raccoon0: read the wiki, its all there
861 2011-05-10 07:33:16 <Raccoon0> allow for less-difficult hashes
862 2011-05-10 07:33:31 <BlueMatt> Raccoon0: ,,(bc,wiki Attacks)
863 2011-05-10 07:33:32 <gribble> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Weaknesses | Apr 23, 2011 ... Bitcoin makes these attacks more difficult by only making an outbound connection to one IP address per /16 (x.y.0.0). ...
864 2011-05-10 07:33:33 <Raccoon0> BlueMatt, the point here is, anyone can modify the software to their own whim
865 2011-05-10 07:33:46 <Raccoon0> and blot out any trusted nodes
866 2011-05-10 07:33:54 <BlueMatt> read the page I just linked you
867 2011-05-10 07:33:58 <Raccoon0> o.
868 2011-05-10 07:34:11 <fridge> I know I have to look at the code more, but the whole forth interpreter thing worries me
869 2011-05-10 07:34:11 <xelister> the obvious bubble is obvious?  4.9  ?
870 2011-05-10 07:34:39 <jrmithdobbs> fridge: why
871 2011-05-10 07:34:52 <ArtForz> gotta love kids coming up with the same stupid attacks as everyone else before and thinking they're uber...
872 2011-05-10 07:35:11 <da2ce7> xelister, until 4.9 is considered cheap when 1btc = $1000
873 2011-05-10 07:35:16 <xelister> :D
874 2011-05-10 07:35:25 <fridge> jrmithdobbs: its parseing incoming data that could potentially be used to run arbitrary code??
875 2011-05-10 07:35:27 <da2ce7> xelister want to trade me 100 btc @ 6c?
876 2011-05-10 07:35:32 <xelister> that reminds me of the good old times!
877 2011-05-10 07:35:38 <sipa> fridge: study which kind of operations it supports