1 2011-05-11 00:01:00 <xelister> SELLING @ 2 USD/BTC PM ME
  2 2011-05-11 00:01:19 <sacarlson> _ape: well I guess you need objdump -p /bin/bitcoin and see what libs it needs that you don't have?
  3 2011-05-11 00:06:30 <xelister> ;;bc,gen 615000
  4 2011-05-11 00:06:31 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 615000 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 3.92936137278 BTC per day and 0.163723390533 BTC per hour.
  5 2011-05-11 00:07:28 <_ape> yeah i will check in a bit
  6 2011-05-11 00:07:31 <_ape> after i get python stuff working
  7 2011-05-11 00:16:13 <Aahzmundus> When you create a new wallet, does it create the 100 addresses in the background? or do you have to create your first extra address ( a second one) to force the 100 generation?
  8 2011-05-11 00:19:05 <Aahzmundus> Basically I got a friend into bitcoin, had him make a wallet, backed up the wallet, he made some addresses I sent him 5 coins, he reimaged the computer... restored the backup wallet, and now the coins arent there... and we are wondering what is up or what to do
  9 2011-05-11 00:21:02 <xelister> 5970 for 30 BTC. For rent for a week. x3 for month. Negotiable offer. You pay BTC to rent for 7 or 30 days, during which time it is running @820MHz (610 MHash), on linux, connected to pool with 100% payouts, you get all its earning off that card. 2 card available now, 4 more with 5 day setup time. Anyone intersted - PM me what you would like to pay for access for 7/30 days. Uptime 98%. Administration, net, electricity costs are on me. Possible to
 10 2011-05-11 00:21:03 <xelister> pay in USD/EUR/PLN and get vat invoice.
 11 2011-05-11 00:21:39 <doublec> Aahzmundus: try using the -rescan option
 12 2011-05-11 00:21:55 <doublec> Aahzmundus: ie. ./bitcoind -rescan
 13 2011-05-11 00:22:18 <doublec> Aahzmundus: also make sure the entire blockchain has been re-downloaded
 14 2011-05-11 00:22:33 <doublec> Aahzmundus: your friend won't see the new coins until that happens
 15 2011-05-11 00:22:48 <Aahzmundus> we tried -rescan... when we load in the wallet... each time the original address is different
 16 2011-05-11 00:23:27 <Aahzmundus> currently we are trying a fresh install with the old wallet and letting it dl the chain over
 17 2011-05-11 00:24:38 <Aahzmundus> im worried that the 100 addresses are loaded into the wallet after the second address is generated
 18 2011-05-11 00:24:48 <Aahzmundus> because we made a wallet backup first thing
 19 2011-05-11 00:30:08 <doublec> in general I'd think it's a bad idea to wipe out your machine without backing up your wallet
 20 2011-05-11 00:30:44 <doublec> but hopefully a wallet restore + block download + rescan will fix things
 21 2011-05-11 00:31:15 <Aahzmundus> well you see we figured the wallet was backed up
 22 2011-05-11 00:32:05 <Ratt> If you made new addresses after the wallet was backed up, I don't believe you'll get the same addresses back.
 23 2011-05-11 00:32:25 <Ratt> Since the random seed would be different, no?
 24 2011-05-11 00:32:39 <doublec> he's working on the theory that the wallet makes 100 addresses, so restoring from backup it still has those addresses
 25 2011-05-11 00:32:41 <Aahzmundus> but the coins would still be associated with the private key?
 26 2011-05-11 00:33:29 <Ratt> Hmm, yeah that's true.  I'm not sure when the 100 addresses are generated first.  Yes, the coins would still be associated with the key I'd imagine.
 27 2011-05-11 00:38:00 <Aahzmundus> Whats with the wallet directory in %appdata%
 28 2011-05-11 00:38:12 <Aahzmundus> do you need that and the wallet.dat file? not from what i read...
 29 2011-05-11 00:41:25 <Ratt> No, just wallet.dat
 30 2011-05-11 00:41:48 <Ratt> Which directory did you pull wallet.dat out of?
 31 2011-05-11 00:42:23 <Aahzmundus> the %appdata%
 32 2011-05-11 00:42:45 <Ratt> I've not seen wallet directory, just the wallet.dat.
 33 2011-05-11 00:42:57 <Aahzmundus> yeah me neither till recently
 34 2011-05-11 00:44:35 <Ratt> Is there a known problem with 69xx cards in Natty? Anyone know?  I and several others are running into issues with fglrx on Natty with 69xx cards.
 35 2011-05-11 00:44:55 <Ratt> Works fine with 5xxx cards
 36 2011-05-11 00:53:36 <Ratt> The answer is yes.  6xxx series cards aren't supported under Natty due to fglrx being outdated.
 37 2011-05-11 00:53:51 <Ratt> Need to install latest drivers from ATI's site.
 38 2011-05-11 01:21:14 <gasteve> my sdk is 2.1 with my 5970 and I can't run poclbm with it (something in pyopencl craps out)...I'm wondering whether I should install the latest driver?
 39 2011-05-11 01:21:19 <gasteve> (ATI driver)
 40 2011-05-11 01:21:48 <gasteve> anyone running 5970 with the latest driver and sdk2.1?
 41 2011-05-11 01:21:56 <gasteve> (on Ubuntu)
 42 2011-05-11 01:22:22 <gasteve> Natty is Ubuntu 11.04 right?
 43 2011-05-11 01:22:59 <gasteve> I'm running a rig with 11.04 and dual 6990s
 44 2011-05-11 01:24:40 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
 45 2011-05-11 01:24:40 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":5.99,"low":3.8109,"vol":68041,"buy":4.6492,"sell":4.7199,"last":4.7}}
 46 2011-05-11 01:24:44 <gjs278> dangit
 47 2011-05-11 01:24:50 <Ratt> gasteve: How did you get fgrlx to install properly?
 48 2011-05-11 01:24:53 <gjs278> luke-jr I should have taken that bet
 49 2011-05-11 01:25:24 <gasteve> not sure...I just upgraded ati catalyst using the ubuntu tool
 50 2011-05-11 01:25:40 <gasteve> stuff worked, so I didn't question it ;)
 51 2011-05-11 01:25:50 <phantomcircuit> gjs278, which way
 52 2011-05-11 01:26:24 <gjs278> luke-jr was going to be me 30 coins that the price would hit $6 in the next 12 hours
 53 2011-05-11 01:26:31 <gjs278> iII ddnt go for it
 54 2011-05-11 01:26:37 <gjs278> but I look like I may have won
 55 2011-05-11 01:26:43 <gjs278> bet me*
 56 2011-05-11 01:26:46 <gjs278> I didn't go for it*
 57 2011-05-11 01:27:01 <gjs278> one of my 5970 cores decided to fglrx dump so my X is really fucking laggy
 58 2011-05-11 01:27:07 <phantomcircuit> gjs278, 5.98000
 59 2011-05-11 01:27:13 <gjs278> yeah
 60 2011-05-11 01:27:13 <phantomcircuit> 5.9899
 61 2011-05-11 01:27:14 <phantomcircuit> lulz
 62 2011-05-11 01:27:32 <gjs278> I should have known the sells at 5.99 would hold them off
 63 2011-05-11 01:27:43 <gjs278> oh well
 64 2011-05-11 01:28:05 <gjs278> oh well, time for another great reboot
 65 2011-05-11 01:28:10 <Blitzboom> genjix: awesome episode @ startups
 66 2011-05-11 01:28:28 <Blitzboom> thumbs up
 67 2011-05-11 01:28:28 <gasteve> anyone managed to underclock their card on Ubuntu with that AMDOverdriveCtrl?
 68 2011-05-11 01:28:43 <gasteve> (underclock the mem)
 69 2011-05-11 01:30:03 <gasteve> now, I'm only getting about 670MHash out of each of my 6990 cards
 70 2011-05-11 01:31:04 <yebyen> ;;bc,calc 600000
 71 2011-05-11 01:31:06 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 600000 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 1 week, 6 days, 1 hour, 1 minute, and 40 seconds
 72 2011-05-11 01:31:47 <yebyen> ;;bc,calc 600
 73 2011-05-11 01:31:49 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 600 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 35 years, 38 weeks, 1 day, 19 hours, 57 minutes, and 59 seconds
 74 2011-05-11 01:32:06 <yebyen> ;;bc,calc 848785
 75 2011-05-11 01:32:07 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 848785 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 1 week, 2 days, 5 hours, 16 minutes, and 37 seconds
 76 2011-05-11 01:32:11 <yebyen> ;;bc,calc 848.785
 77 2011-05-11 01:32:12 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 848.785 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 25 years, 13 weeks, 3 days, 21 hours, 12 minutes, and 49 seconds
 78 2011-05-11 01:32:31 <yebyen> hmm
 79 2011-05-11 01:33:22 <yebyen> ;;bc,calc 240000
 80 2011-05-11 01:33:25 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 240000 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 4 weeks, 4 days, 14 hours, 34 minutes, and 11 seconds
 81 2011-05-11 01:35:21 <yebyen> i think i had better start playing blackjack
 82 2011-05-11 01:36:09 <_ape> does anyone know what i can do to fix poclbm using the same half of a 5970 for each instance?
 83 2011-05-11 01:36:16 <_ape> im telling it to use the other device # but the hashrate cuts in half
 84 2011-05-11 01:36:25 <gjs278> you need to either
 85 2011-05-11 01:36:27 <gjs278> turn off crossfire
 86 2011-05-11 01:36:28 <gjs278> or
 87 2011-05-11 01:36:31 <gjs278> redo aticonfig --initial
 88 2011-05-11 01:36:34 <_ape> hmm
 89 2011-05-11 01:36:47 <_ape> how do you disable crossfire?
 90 2011-05-11 01:37:26 <gjs278> aticonfig has all of that
 91 2011-05-11 01:38:33 <yebyen> ;;bc,stats
 92 2011-05-11 01:38:36 <gribble> Current Blocks: 123215 | Current Difficulty: 157426.20628986 | Next Difficulty At Block: 124991 | Next Difficulty In: 1776 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 7 hours, 28 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 209440.59584652
 93 2011-05-11 01:39:18 <yebyen> does difficulty go down, if big nodes should leave for a long time?
 94 2011-05-11 01:39:41 <mrb_> yebyen: yes
 95 2011-05-11 01:45:30 <yebyen> fuuu
 96 2011-05-11 01:46:09 <mrb_> ?
 97 2011-05-11 01:47:00 <_ape> so it says the crossfire  chain is disabled when i do aticonfig --lsch, but --lscs says crossfire is enabled
 98 2011-05-11 01:47:04 <_ape> and the same problem persists
 99 2011-05-11 01:47:05 <_ape> =wtf
100 2011-05-11 01:47:17 <_ape> guess i will try redoing --initial
101 2011-05-11 01:48:05 <yebyen> i just made $10 in 30 seconds
102 2011-05-11 01:48:36 <yebyen> wish i could do this at work
103 2011-05-11 01:49:09 <lfm> go into profesional poker
104 2011-05-11 01:50:41 <yebyen> yeah think i better
105 2011-05-11 01:50:56 <lfm> _ape did you remove the crossfire connector?
106 2011-05-11 01:51:08 <_ape> there is one on the card? haha
107 2011-05-11 01:51:11 <_ape> didnt even look
108 2011-05-11 01:51:48 <_ape> also do i need to use a dummy cable on the 2nd port?
109 2011-05-11 01:52:46 <lfm> not if you run linux
110 2011-05-11 01:52:56 <_ape> this is a single 5970, what crossfire connector? lol
111 2011-05-11 01:53:08 <lfm> oh
112 2011-05-11 01:53:27 <lfm> shouldnt need any dummy connectors either then
113 2011-05-11 01:53:32 <_ape> well this is perplexing
114 2011-05-11 01:53:36 <_ape> let me see if crossfire really disabled yet
115 2011-05-11 01:54:03 <_ape> lscs still says crossfire is enabled
116 2011-05-11 01:54:04 <_ape> damnit
117 2011-05-11 01:54:35 <lfm> ya Im thinking it will always say the chips are connected cuz they are
118 2011-05-11 01:55:20 <gjs278> well first off
119 2011-05-11 01:55:27 <_ape> i deleted the crossfire chains
120 2011-05-11 01:55:29 <_ape> but its still enabled
121 2011-05-11 01:55:30 <_ape> somehow
122 2011-05-11 01:55:30 <gjs278> X makes it very clear that disabling crossfire doesnt take effect
123 2011-05-11 01:55:32 <gjs278> until
124 2011-05-11 01:55:33 <gjs278> you restart X
125 2011-05-11 01:55:34 <_ape> i did restart it
126 2011-05-11 01:55:36 <_ape> 50 times
127 2011-05-11 01:55:39 <_ape> it doesnt persist
128 2011-05-11 01:55:40 <gjs278> rmmod fglrx
129 2011-05-11 01:55:56 <gjs278> kill X, rmmod fglrx, startx
130 2011-05-11 01:56:02 <_ape> ah thanks
131 2011-05-11 01:56:03 <_ape> let me try that
132 2011-05-11 01:56:27 <gjs278> if that doesn't work, kill X, rmmod fglrx, aticonfig --initial, startx
133 2011-05-11 01:56:31 <_ape> --lscs still says its enabled haha
134 2011-05-11 01:56:33 <_ape> ok ill try that
135 2011-05-11 01:56:40 <gjs278> also make sure the genned xorg.conf has two monitors
136 2011-05-11 01:56:42 <gjs278> and two cards
137 2011-05-11 01:57:11 <_ape> yeah thats why i was asking about the dummy monitor
138 2011-05-11 01:57:12 <_ape> cause it doesnt
139 2011-05-11 01:57:20 <gjs278> you don't need a dummy monitor
140 2011-05-11 01:57:27 <gjs278> what it will do is extend your X session past your monitor lenght
141 2011-05-11 01:57:35 <_ape> i just have to add the 2nd one manually in the conf?
142 2011-05-11 01:57:35 <gjs278> and it will just be an empty abyss
143 2011-05-11 01:57:42 <gjs278> if it's not there sure
144 2011-05-11 01:57:52 <_ape> ahh aticonfig --initial -f --adapter=all fixed it
145 2011-05-11 01:57:54 <_ape> now it has both in there
146 2011-05-11 01:58:26 <_ape> hope this works :P
147 2011-05-11 01:58:29 <gjs278> your mouse will probably fly off the side of the screen to the right if you go too far over
148 2011-05-11 01:58:34 <gjs278> so try to avoid that
149 2011-05-11 01:58:38 <_ape> yay
150 2011-05-11 01:58:39 <gjs278> it crashes my X sometimes
151 2011-05-11 01:58:39 <xelister> also whe this happens
152 2011-05-11 01:58:40 <_ape> thanks a lot :D
153 2011-05-11 01:58:43 <xelister> THEN IT HANGS THE X
154 2011-05-11 01:58:44 <xelister> yes.
155 2011-05-11 01:58:46 <gjs278> yeah
156 2011-05-11 01:58:49 <gjs278> my mouse flickers
157 2011-05-11 01:58:51 <gjs278> but X is dead
158 2011-05-11 01:58:51 <xelister> moving MOUSE cursor can HANG YOUR BOX
159 2011-05-11 01:58:52 <xelister> thanks ati
160 2011-05-11 02:03:22 <luke-jr> gjs278: so did we make that bet?
161 2011-05-11 02:05:00 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Daniel Folkinshteyn * r6a326b549ff2 supybot-bitcoin-marketmonitor/GPG/plugin.py: GPG: fix bug in error logging http://tinyurl.com/3pbfybo
162 2011-05-11 02:06:04 <luke-jr> nanotube: what bug in error loggingH :P
163 2011-05-11 02:13:25 <nanotube> luke-jr: you want to know the details of the bug?
164 2011-05-11 02:14:05 <nanotube> luke-jr: the bug was in my gpg bot plugin, not in bitcoin
165 2011-05-11 02:14:59 <luke-jr> yeah, I know that :P
166 2011-05-11 02:20:40 <gjs278> no we didn't, it would be unfair to make it now
167 2011-05-11 02:21:03 <gjs278> oh wow
168 2011-05-11 02:21:08 <gjs278> it actually did go above 6
169 2011-05-11 02:21:15 <nanotube> ;;bc,mtgox
170 2011-05-11 02:21:16 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":6.065,"low":4,"vol":72940,"buy":5.5,"sell":5.58,"last":5.5799}}
171 2011-05-11 02:21:17 <nanotube> yep
172 2011-05-11 02:21:58 <gjs278> I can't see who is possibly buying these right now
173 2011-05-11 02:23:02 <jgarzik> gjs278: yeah... chewed completely through all support at 6.00
174 2011-05-11 02:23:07 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,mgtox
175 2011-05-11 02:23:08 <gribble> Error: "bc,mgtox" is not a valid command.
176 2011-05-11 02:23:11 <Diablo-D3> fuck you
177 2011-05-11 02:23:13 <gjs278> yeah
178 2011-05-11 02:23:14 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,mtgox
179 2011-05-11 02:23:14 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":6.065,"low":4,"vol":72955,"buy":5.22,"sell":5.3999,"last":5.3}}
180 2011-05-11 02:23:15 <gjs278> fuck you robot
181 2011-05-11 02:23:18 <gjs278> you know what he meant
182 2011-05-11 02:28:30 <Blitzboom> new resistance is 8$
183 2011-05-11 02:28:38 <Blitzboom> judging from the orderbook
184 2011-05-11 02:29:06 <doublec> I sent coins to someone and they're not showing in their client as unconfirmed
185 2011-05-11 02:29:18 <doublec> and I can't see the transaction on bitcoincharts.com
186 2011-05-11 02:29:28 <doublec> any ideas why that might be?
187 2011-05-11 02:29:53 <doublec> or how I could track down what's going on?
188 2011-05-11 02:29:57 <Blitzboom> you mean its still unconfirmed?
189 2011-05-11 02:30:06 <Blitzboom> no clue why it wouldnt show up on bitcoincharts
190 2011-05-11 02:30:10 <doublec> yes
191 2011-05-11 02:30:22 <doublec> if I look in debug.log there are some socket recv errors immediately after the transaction
192 2011-05-11 02:30:31 <doublec> if there was an error sending, will it retry?
193 2011-05-11 02:31:09 <Diablo-D3> http://git.gnome.org/browse/frogr/commit/?id=d20b4b7679a64349c09b611b6376f20bfa4fb1d2
194 2011-05-11 02:31:16 <doublec> this is the txid d9d87d0bdf38a426fe35f91e11b54992a7083357b6334deeefc933fb57520e9d
195 2011-05-11 02:31:38 <nanotube> doublec: the tx in your client... does it show up as 0/unconf, or 0/offline?
196 2011-05-11 02:32:09 <doublec> nanotube: I'm running bitcoind - where can I see that? Or should the other party be looking at it?
197 2011-05-11 02:32:17 <doublec> they don't see the transaction at all
198 2011-05-11 02:32:23 <gjs278> open actual bitcoin
199 2011-05-11 02:32:25 <gjs278> look there
200 2011-05-11 02:32:29 <gjs278> if it says it was sent, just wait
201 2011-05-11 02:32:34 <gjs278> and it will get there eventually
202 2011-05-11 02:33:02 <nanotube> doublec: not sure about bitcoind...
203 2011-05-11 02:34:18 <Cusipzzz> doublec: you don't see it in listtransactions ?
204 2011-05-11 02:34:32 <doublec> Cusipzzz: yes it's in listtransactions
205 2011-05-11 02:34:59 <lfm> try: listtransactions [account] [count=10]
206 2011-05-11 02:35:04 <Cusipzzz> was it small amount/new coins? lots waiting to get in a block
207 2011-05-11 02:35:07 <lfm> use count=0
208 2011-05-11 02:35:38 <doublec> I can't see that transactoin using 'gettransaction' on other nodes though
209 2011-05-11 02:35:51 <Cusipzzz> tx id ?
210 2011-05-11 02:35:52 <doublec> lfm: it's there if I do that
211 2011-05-11 02:35:56 <doublec> Cusipzzz: d9d87d0bdf38a426fe35f91e11b54992a7083357b6334deeefc933fb57520e9d
212 2011-05-11 02:36:27 <Cusipzzz> hmm
213 2011-05-11 02:37:03 <lfm> it should retransmit then, how many connections you have in getinfo?
214 2011-05-11 02:37:51 <doublec> lfm: I had 8
215 2011-05-11 02:38:06 <doublec> lfm: I've since restarted and connected directly to my node on a server with 70 connections
216 2011-05-11 02:38:11 <lfm> if you still got 8 then just wait 1/2 hour
217 2011-05-11 02:38:26 <doublec> ok, thanks
218 2011-05-11 02:38:36 <doublec> the other party in the transaction is getting antsy :)
219 2011-05-11 02:40:03 <Cusipzzz> ya, it should re transmit
220 2011-05-11 02:40:34 <Cusipzzz> i don't see it anywhere
221 2011-05-11 02:52:18 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
222 2011-05-11 02:52:18 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":6.065,"low":4,"vol":73479,"buy":5.4901,"sell":5.75,"last":5.5}}
223 2011-05-11 03:07:06 <_ape> does anyone know how to check card temps remotely via ssh? i need to get around the "X needs to be running" thing
224 2011-05-11 03:07:43 <Ratt> Is X running on the local server?
225 2011-05-11 03:07:47 <_ape> it should be
226 2011-05-11 03:07:55 <Ratt> sudo aticonfig --odgt --adapter=all
227 2011-05-11 03:08:00 <_ape> thats what i used
228 2011-05-11 03:08:08 <_ape> it doesnt work except from a terminal within X though
229 2011-05-11 03:08:13 <_ape> i'm trying to do it remotely
230 2011-05-11 03:08:21 <Ratt> Then either the drivers aren't installed corretly or X isn't running
231 2011-05-11 03:08:34 <_ape> 2351 root     /usr/local/bin/Xorg -nolisten tcp
232 2011-05-11 03:08:37 <Ratt> That's the only time I've run into what you're describing, otherwise it should work.
233 2011-05-11 03:08:42 <_ape> x is definitely running, my miners spawned from .X.d scripts
234 2011-05-11 03:09:15 <Ratt> Your miners are running on the box?
235 2011-05-11 03:09:31 <_ape> ah i bet i need to do display=0
236 2011-05-11 03:09:33 <_ape> let me try that
237 2011-05-11 03:09:34 <Ratt> Did you export DISPLAY=:0
238 2011-05-11 03:10:22 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
239 2011-05-11 03:10:23 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":6.065,"low":4,"vol":73144,"buy":5.49,"sell":5.64,"last":5.49}}
240 2011-05-11 03:10:24 <_ape> yeah that fixed it
241 2011-05-11 03:10:25 <_ape> thanks
242 2011-05-11 03:17:28 <Diablo-D3> so
243 2011-05-11 03:17:30 <Diablo-D3> my 5850
244 2011-05-11 03:17:32 <Diablo-D3> it has arrived.
245 2011-05-11 03:18:00 <gjs278> 2 coins a day
246 2011-05-11 03:18:08 <gjs278> like $11 now
247 2011-05-11 03:19:30 <gjs278> next time on dragonball z: the 5850 is hashing for a block
248 2011-05-11 03:19:47 <gjs278> 23 episodes later
249 2011-05-11 03:20:32 <devon_hillard> the block came, but it was stale?
250 2011-05-11 03:20:33 <Diablo-D3> at least its not a c2d
251 2011-05-11 03:20:45 <Diablo-D3> otherwise it'd be over 9000 episodes later
252 2011-05-11 03:21:07 <gjs278> don't forget to send in the rebate so you can get a timely prepaid visa card or whatever in 8-10 weeks
253 2011-05-11 03:21:41 <Diablo-D3> yeah yeah
254 2011-05-11 03:22:57 <Diablo-D3> hey ArtForzZz
255 2011-05-11 03:22:59 <Diablo-D3> you awake
256 2011-05-11 03:23:00 <gjs278> I got it to run using the two adapters on a 430w power supply
257 2011-05-11 03:23:12 <gjs278> and I didn't even connect one of the two adapters with two molex
258 2011-05-11 03:23:33 <Diablo-D3> well
259 2011-05-11 03:23:42 <Diablo-D3> its only vamping the pins
260 2011-05-11 03:23:55 <Diablo-D3> technically you dont have to connect all the grns and 12vs
261 2011-05-11 03:24:16 <Diablo-D3> as long as the power usage doesnt exceed what the remaining shit is cleared for
262 2011-05-11 03:24:30 <Diablo-D3> (and technically, the cards probably ignore it anyhow and just balance across all the 12v)
263 2011-05-11 03:24:34 <jrmithdobbs> good to know. pxelinux does in fact implement rfc 2347/2348/2349
264 2011-05-11 03:25:04 <jrmithdobbs> hoorah 512MB gzip -9 compressed initramfses
265 2011-05-11 03:25:08 <jrmithdobbs> haha
266 2011-05-11 03:25:26 <jrmithdobbs> er, wrong channel
267 2011-05-11 03:25:30 <Diablo-D3> jrmithdobbs: probably supports all the compression formats too
268 2011-05-11 03:25:40 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: it's uncompressed by the kernel
269 2011-05-11 03:25:43 <jrmithdobbs> so doesn't matter
270 2011-05-11 03:25:56 <Diablo-D3> well, uncompressed by the bootloader
271 2011-05-11 03:26:03 <jrmithdobbs> no, by the kernel
272 2011-05-11 03:26:07 <Diablo-D3> er?
273 2011-05-11 03:26:28 <jrmithdobbs> bootloader pulls it into ram kernel takes it from there
274 2011-05-11 03:26:36 <jrmithdobbs> p sure
275 2011-05-11 03:27:13 <jrmithdobbs> there is zlib/bzip2 code in the kernel.
276 2011-05-11 03:28:26 <jrmithdobbs> don't have a box with full kernel tree to confirm atm
277 2011-05-11 03:28:31 <Diablo-D3> I thought the bootloader uncompressed it on load
278 2011-05-11 03:28:33 <Diablo-D3> so
279 2011-05-11 03:28:53 <Diablo-D3> theres even lzma compression available now, btw
280 2011-05-11 03:28:58 <jrmithdobbs> either way, the cool part is that pxelinux understands how to do >32MB tftp xfers
281 2011-05-11 03:30:09 <Diablo-D3> heh
282 2011-05-11 03:30:10 <Diablo-D3> otoh
283 2011-05-11 03:30:21 <Diablo-D3> I wonder what this box means
284 2011-05-11 03:31:36 <Diablo-D3> 2oz copper PCB
285 2011-05-11 03:31:46 <Diablo-D3> because if that says what I think it says
286 2011-05-11 03:31:47 <jrmithdobbs> it means i can take my hackery out of the initramfs that pulls the image and deploys to tmpfs
287 2011-05-11 03:31:56 <jrmithdobbs> and just let the bootloader/kernel deploy the image directly, heh
288 2011-05-11 03:31:58 <Diablo-D3> theres a 2oz copper layer in the PCB
289 2011-05-11 03:32:01 <Diablo-D3> which is gotta be huge
290 2011-05-11 03:32:09 <Diablo-D3> jrmithdobbs: well yeah thats the point
291 2011-05-11 03:32:42 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: just never thought of doing it, i remembered hearing about how much cooler initramfs was than initrd and just never actually read the docs until today, lol
292 2011-05-11 03:33:00 <jrmithdobbs> (5? years later)
293 2011-05-11 03:33:14 <Diablo-D3> jrmithdobbs: heh
294 2011-05-11 03:33:16 <Diablo-D3> I use initramfs
295 2011-05-11 03:33:26 <gjs278> I use initramfs
296 2011-05-11 03:33:38 <Diablo-D3> its a shitload easier with modern automated distros
297 2011-05-11 03:33:40 <jrmithdobbs> i mean, of course i use initramfs, just never as the full system image before, haha
298 2011-05-11 03:33:44 <Diablo-D3> but seriously though
299 2011-05-11 03:33:55 <Diablo-D3> 2oz copper backplane?
300 2011-05-11 03:33:58 <Diablo-D3> Im not seeing it
301 2011-05-11 03:34:00 <Diablo-D3> it should be huge
302 2011-05-11 03:34:05 <gjs278> sell the 2oz of copper
303 2011-05-11 03:34:36 <jrmithdobbs> 2oz of copper in what?
304 2011-05-11 03:34:52 <Diablo-D3> the pcb
305 2011-05-11 03:35:23 <gjs278> holy fucking rage another fucking passworded rar
306 2011-05-11 03:35:34 <jrmithdobbs> i figured that much, i missed what pcb you're talking about
307 2011-05-11 03:35:40 <gjs278> the rar contains the rar itself and a file saying click here for password
308 2011-05-11 03:35:55 <Diablo-D3> jrmithdobbs: my new 5850
309 2011-05-11 03:36:04 <jrmithdobbs> haha no way
310 2011-05-11 03:36:08 <gjs278> posting under the username teevee and not actually being teevee should be grounds for execution
311 2011-05-11 03:36:27 <Diablo-D3> its a gigabyte durable series card (== pre OC'ed, copper heatpipes, double fans, extra good VRMs, solid jap caps, etc)
312 2011-05-11 03:36:35 <gjs278> it owns
313 2011-05-11 03:36:38 <Diablo-D3> (== msi military class, asus's good shit, etc)
314 2011-05-11 03:36:38 <jrmithdobbs> 2oz of copper is worth more than a 5850
315 2011-05-11 03:37:15 <jrmithdobbs> fuck mining with those just straight up order and scrap 'em
316 2011-05-11 03:37:22 <JFK911> yes
317 2011-05-11 03:37:27 <jrmithdobbs> (but there's no way there's 2oz of copper)
318 2011-05-11 03:37:49 <JFK911> now you are somewhat on your way to understanding what they mean when they say that, i guess
319 2011-05-11 03:48:48 <Diablo-D3> okay now to insert teh card
320 2011-05-11 03:49:41 <Diablo-D3> btw, jrmithdobbs
321 2011-05-11 03:49:45 <Diablo-D3> thats a $180 5850
322 2011-05-11 03:50:09 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: cu's at 105usd/oz
323 2011-05-11 03:50:19 <Diablo-D3> ffffff
324 2011-05-11 03:50:34 <jrmithdobbs> /troll
325 2011-05-11 03:50:35 <jrmithdobbs> ;P
326 2011-05-11 03:50:44 <jrmithdobbs> see i can make up numbers too
327 2011-05-11 03:50:54 <jrmithdobbs> (re: your india rant yesterday ;P)
328 2011-05-11 03:51:18 <jrmithdobbs> or was that this morning
329 2011-05-11 03:51:52 <Diablo-D3> jrmithdobbs: I didnt make those up though
330 2011-05-11 03:51:57 <Diablo-D3> that was this morning, btw
331 2011-05-11 03:52:24 <Diablo-D3> btw
332 2011-05-11 03:52:26 <Diablo-D3> [01:50:28] <divVerent> Diablo-D3: just so you know... it took me like 10 minutes to find a heap corruption exploit in the nvidia driver
333 2011-05-11 03:52:54 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: aye there's a nice one in compiz that's about to get full disclosured too
334 2011-05-11 03:52:59 <jrmithdobbs> similar issue
335 2011-05-11 03:53:35 <jrmithdobbs> gfx code sucks in general as a rule
336 2011-05-11 03:53:46 <Diablo-D3> I wrote a miner, Im aware of this
337 2011-05-11 03:53:57 <jrmithdobbs> just pontificating
338 2011-05-11 03:54:14 <Diablo-D3> lol
339 2011-05-11 03:55:50 <doublec> these are all good reasons to disable webgl
340 2011-05-11 03:57:24 <Diablo-D3> damnit why the fuck am i humming the doctor who theme
341 2011-05-11 03:58:12 <jrmithdobbs> i don't know
342 2011-05-11 03:58:22 <jrmithdobbs> you should be listening to joe pass, like a man
343 2011-05-11 03:58:24 <jrmithdobbs> like me.
344 2011-05-11 03:59:27 <Diablo-D3> ahaha this is nice
345 2011-05-11 03:59:30 <Diablo-D3> theres a rubber protector
346 2011-05-11 03:59:39 <Diablo-D3> over the crossfire plugs
347 2011-05-11 04:00:07 <jrmithdobbs> buy em off ya so i can stop folding paper over them
348 2011-05-11 04:00:08 <jrmithdobbs> haha
349 2011-05-11 04:00:38 <Diablo-D3> well
350 2011-05-11 04:00:46 <Diablo-D3> my 4850's is not covered at all
351 2011-05-11 04:00:49 <Diablo-D3> nothing has happened yet
352 2011-05-11 04:01:07 <jrmithdobbs> oh these are covered because of how they're ghetto mounted
353 2011-05-11 04:01:18 <Diablo-D3> heh
354 2011-05-11 04:01:26 <Diablo-D3> it looks like I have two plugs too
355 2011-05-11 04:02:28 <jrmithdobbs> are both of those power connectors really needed?
356 2011-05-11 04:02:36 <jrmithdobbs> i mean, the card wont init with out them
357 2011-05-11 04:02:46 <jrmithdobbs> but that just doesn't seem right while not driving the dvi/displayports
358 2011-05-11 04:03:05 <Diablo-D3> it wont start without them
359 2011-05-11 04:03:40 <jrmithdobbs> amd needs to get off their ass and release a tesla destroyer
360 2011-05-11 04:04:36 <Diablo-D3> er
361 2011-05-11 04:04:37 <Diablo-D3> they did
362 2011-05-11 04:04:41 <Diablo-D3> its called the 69xx series
363 2011-05-11 04:05:27 <jrmithdobbs> no i mean release some ref boards without displayport/dvi at all
364 2011-05-11 04:06:11 <Diablo-D3> oh
365 2011-05-11 04:06:13 <Diablo-D3> its stupid
366 2011-05-11 04:06:21 <Diablo-D3> no one particularly gives a fuck about that
367 2011-05-11 04:06:31 <Diablo-D3> it raises the price of manufacturing
368 2011-05-11 04:06:43 <an201> D3: penguin buys lots of them
369 2011-05-11 04:06:44 <Diablo-D3> theres a reason why all cards use nearly identical setups
370 2011-05-11 04:07:01 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: would make cable routing easier
371 2011-05-11 04:07:04 <Diablo-D3> (usually identical to the card/type manufacturer though, although they're all alike)
372 2011-05-11 04:07:08 <an201> isnt a texla card like $2k?
373 2011-05-11 04:07:13 <Diablo-D3> an201: yes
374 2011-05-11 04:07:16 <an201> tesla
375 2011-05-11 04:07:18 <Diablo-D3> I'd give you my pastebin on the subject
376 2011-05-11 04:07:19 <jrmithdobbs> an201: ya they're retarded
377 2011-05-11 04:07:21 <Diablo-D3> but my box is off
378 2011-05-11 04:07:27 <Diablo-D3> basically, 69xx beats everything nvidia
379 2011-05-11 04:11:12 <jrmithdobbs> whats up with the 6990, it's slightly less than 2x the performance for more than 2x the cost of the 6970s
380 2011-05-11 04:11:17 <jrmithdobbs> seems dumb
381 2011-05-11 04:11:33 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, that's how high end everything works
382 2011-05-11 04:11:52 <phantomcircuit> you think a ferrari is 10x as fast as a corrola ?
383 2011-05-11 04:12:46 <Diablo-D3> jrmithdobbs: erm, its a 5970 made with 6970s.
384 2011-05-11 04:12:46 <jrmithdobbs> but even say you were using them for playing with children's things, why would you buy a single 6990 over 2x6970s
385 2011-05-11 04:12:50 <jrmithdobbs> doesn't really make sense
386 2011-05-11 04:12:57 <Diablo-D3> jrmithdobbs: you buy it because it takes up one slot
387 2011-05-11 04:13:11 <Diablo-D3> and btw, they underclock them for PCI-E spec reasons
388 2011-05-11 04:13:13 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: aye i get what it is
389 2011-05-11 04:13:25 <Diablo-D3> 5970s and 6990s both run at full 5870/6970 speeds
390 2011-05-11 04:13:42 <jrmithdobbs> ah, that's where the slight drop comes from
391 2011-05-11 04:13:43 <Diablo-D3> they use specially selected, but otherwise normal, 5870/6970 chips
392 2011-05-11 04:13:54 <jrmithdobbs> ya makes sense
393 2011-05-11 04:14:06 <Diablo-D3> you have a 300 watt limit
394 2011-05-11 04:14:15 <Diablo-D3> both come very close to crossing it underclocked
395 2011-05-11 04:14:54 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: can you imagine typing that 10 years ago regarding a pci* expansion card? heh, ie, 300watts being limiting
396 2011-05-11 04:14:57 <jrmithdobbs> heh
397 2011-05-11 04:15:35 <Diablo-D3> well
398 2011-05-11 04:15:38 <Diablo-D3> video cards did it
399 2011-05-11 04:15:52 <Diablo-D3> I mean, it started with pci/agp cards crossing that, what, 75w barrier?
400 2011-05-11 04:16:01 <Diablo-D3> so we plugged in a normal 4 pin molex
401 2011-05-11 04:16:02 <jrmithdobbs> think that's right
402 2011-05-11 04:16:23 <jrmithdobbs> but that was still only 6-7 years ago other than the lol voodoo5 lol
403 2011-05-11 04:16:28 <Diablo-D3> now we got fucking double 8 pin (150w each, 4 12v lines, etc)
404 2011-05-11 04:16:40 <Diablo-D3> infact I think I saw something do 2 8s and a 6
405 2011-05-11 04:16:43 <Diablo-D3> or maybe 2 6s and an 8
406 2011-05-11 04:16:51 <Diablo-D3> three plugs of some sort
407 2011-05-11 04:16:56 <jrmithdobbs> haha jesus
408 2011-05-11 04:16:59 <Diablo-D3> iand yeah, the voodoo 5, external PS
409 2011-05-11 04:17:12 <Diablo-D3> which now would be, pretty much, any normal card that needs a 6 pin
410 2011-05-11 04:17:48 <jrmithdobbs> which is basically anything not integrated
411 2011-05-11 04:18:18 <jrmithdobbs> it's just crazy the ammount of power gpus use up these days
412 2011-05-11 04:30:35 <EPiSKiNG> what drivers/opencl platform should I use for a 6990?
413 2011-05-11 04:31:08 <EPiSKiNG> what would give the best hash rate?
414 2011-05-11 04:31:41 <_ape> working on a crappy python script to spawn my workers with various settings by ip address
415 2011-05-11 04:31:43 <_ape> :D
416 2011-05-11 04:31:52 <_ape> this way i can run all my mining rigs off one pxe image
417 2011-05-11 04:32:05 <_ape> w/ different hw
418 2011-05-11 04:33:26 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: and to answer the debate earlier, kernel def decompresses
419 2011-05-11 04:33:42 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: cause the vm i'm testing with sits for ~2 minutes decompressing it after handoff
420 2011-05-11 04:33:45 <jrmithdobbs> lol
421 2011-05-11 04:34:04 <jrmithdobbs> long after the kernel starts booting
422 2011-05-11 04:35:29 <lfm> vm? yuck!
423 2011-05-11 04:35:48 <jrmithdobbs> not takin production down to test shit
424 2011-05-11 04:35:50 <jrmithdobbs> haha
425 2011-05-11 04:36:08 <lfm> huh?
426 2011-05-11 04:36:23 <EPiSKiNG> anyone know what drivers are best for Win7 x64 with a 6990?
427 2011-05-11 04:36:30 <EPiSKiNG> or a 5970 for that matter
428 2011-05-11 04:37:13 <jrmithdobbs> EPiSKiNG: one of the 11.s obviously, there's not many to test
429 2011-05-11 04:40:12 <lfm> are you seriously running mining on a vm?
430 2011-05-11 04:40:31 <jrmithdobbs> huh
431 2011-05-11 04:40:51 <jrmithdobbs> no i'm tweaking shit in a vm
432 2011-05-11 04:43:01 <_ape> http://privatepaste.com/3aaac0eef5
433 2011-05-11 04:43:04 <_ape> here is what i have so far :D
434 2011-05-11 04:43:11 <Diablo-D3> jrmithdobbs: huh interesting to know
435 2011-05-11 04:44:06 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: ya it doesnt decompress until right before trying to "mount" it
436 2011-05-11 04:44:09 <jrmithdobbs> and running init
437 2011-05-11 04:50:12 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Chris Howie * r46b1607a0245 mining-proxy/htdocs/index.php: Remove unnecessary set of $lpurl http://tinyurl.com/3cfyrze
438 2011-05-11 04:50:13 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Chris Howie * r753cdb340f9e mining-proxy/htdocs/ (common.inc.php index.php): Fix bug causing PHP warnings to display when failing over, and lower the timeout from 5 to 2 for poclbm http://tinyurl.com/3bdxles
439 2011-05-11 04:50:27 <CIA-30> bitcoin: Chris Howie * r81b3ce1f9b49 mining-proxy/htdocs/config.inc.php.sample: Add error_reporting() call in the config sample http://tinyurl.com/3uq5lbq
440 2011-05-11 04:51:37 <Diablo-D3> hr,
441 2011-05-11 04:51:40 <Diablo-D3> interesting
442 2011-05-11 04:51:43 <Diablo-D3> theres no heatsinks on the ram
443 2011-05-11 04:56:39 <gjs278> I've checked the temps and I can assure you it wont vrm overheat
444 2011-05-11 05:14:30 <lupine_85> with svm/vmx, virtualisation doesn't seem to impact *that* much cpu mining performance
445 2011-05-11 05:18:15 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
446 2011-05-11 05:18:15 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":6.065,"low":4.37,"vol":73191,"buy":5.6001,"sell":5.6998,"last":5.7}}
447 2011-05-11 05:32:28 <cosurgi> luke-jr: hmm that's a lot of rejects like 5% or such. But that wasn't happening before... I thiunk. Or I didn't pay attention
448 2011-05-11 05:55:05 <BlueMatt> wtf, why does the official debian package use libdb4.8?
449 2011-05-11 05:57:17 <EPiSKiNG> thinka 1000 watt psu can support a 5970 and a 6990
450 2011-05-11 05:57:31 <EPiSKiNG> i keep getting BSOD when I start up with both of them
451 2011-05-11 05:57:38 <EPiSKiNG> 11.4 Drivers
452 2011-05-11 05:58:18 <mtrlt> what brand psu do you have
453 2011-05-11 05:58:37 <EPiSKiNG> Corsair
454 2011-05-11 05:58:44 <EPiSKiNG> 80+ gold
455 2011-05-11 05:59:57 <EPiSKiNG> anyone?
456 2011-05-11 06:01:59 <mtrlt> it should be enough.
457 2011-05-11 06:04:49 <EPiSKiNG> wonder what the BSOD is...
458 2011-05-11 06:04:57 <mtrlt> no idea :P
459 2011-05-11 06:05:32 <Diablo-D3> therew damnit
460 2011-05-11 06:05:35 <Diablo-D3> after spending an hour
461 2011-05-11 06:05:44 <Diablo-D3> because I had to fucking reroute like half my fucking wiring
462 2011-05-11 06:05:56 <Diablo-D3> and mount one of my drives upsidedown because the card is about a half an inch too long
463 2011-05-11 06:06:27 <Diablo-D3> now lets see if the fucker powers on correctly
464 2011-05-11 06:08:39 <Diablo-D3> seems to have booted
465 2011-05-11 06:09:15 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: ugh, ya was so pissed on these cases
466 2011-05-11 06:09:56 <Diablo-D3> jesus I forgot what sort of airflow these fans have
467 2011-05-11 06:09:57 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: the 2.5" drive cage is the PERFECT length for them
468 2011-05-11 06:10:02 <jrmithdobbs> too perfect.
469 2011-05-11 06:10:03 <Diablo-D3> jrmithdobbs: well
470 2011-05-11 06:10:09 <Diablo-D3> Im going to put 2.5" drives in
471 2011-05-11 06:10:14 <Diablo-D3> next
472 2011-05-11 06:10:19 <Diablo-D3> because the card fits to the cage
473 2011-05-11 06:10:20 <jrmithdobbs> the damned power connectors were flush against the fucking case
474 2011-05-11 06:10:22 <jrmithdobbs> so could not go there
475 2011-05-11 06:10:23 <Diablo-D3> its the fucking drives that have the proble
476 2011-05-11 06:10:27 <jrmithdobbs> so i resorted to zip ties
477 2011-05-11 06:10:32 <jrmithdobbs> works fine
478 2011-05-11 06:10:39 <jrmithdobbs> but the cable routing is a nightmare
479 2011-05-11 06:11:17 <Diablo-D3> 43c idle
480 2011-05-11 06:11:18 <Diablo-D3> lawlz
481 2011-05-11 06:11:32 <Diablo-D3> lol I love my broken mobo sensor
482 2011-05-11 06:11:35 <Diablo-D3> 14.5c
483 2011-05-11 06:12:14 <jrmithdobbs> i haven't even looked at the mb sensors on these
484 2011-05-11 06:12:26 <jrmithdobbs> because if that i3 oveheats, the cards were toast about 4 hours before that
485 2011-05-11 06:12:41 <jrmithdobbs> so d/c
486 2011-05-11 06:12:56 <Diablo-D3> and all my drives are reporting in
487 2011-05-11 06:13:00 <Diablo-D3> so I think shit works
488 2011-05-11 06:13:14 <gribble> gavinandresen was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 14 hours, 35 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: <gavinandresen> kika: http://veritas.maximilianeum.ch/bitcoin/irc/logs/
489 2011-05-11 06:13:14 <topi`> ;;seen gavinandresen
490 2011-05-11 06:13:30 <topi`> very funny bitcoin discussion on thisweekin.com
491 2011-05-11 06:14:51 <BlueMatt> Im sorry, but blatant copyright infringement prevents me from watching that show
492 2011-05-11 06:16:34 <BlueMatt> MagicalTux: any progress on uploading that script? ;) (seriously, if you dont want to just say it man)
493 2011-05-11 06:16:42 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: fair use?
494 2011-05-11 06:17:04 <MagicalTux> BlueMatt, send me an email, I keep forgetting
495 2011-05-11 06:17:13 <BlueMatt> jrmithdobbs: not at all, this week in tech has been around a ton longer and they use this week in... is used by them a ton
496 2011-05-11 06:17:15 <BlueMatt> thats not fair use
497 2011-05-11 06:17:20 <BlueMatt> twit.tv
498 2011-05-11 06:17:45 <BlueMatt> its leo laporte's thing
499 2011-05-11 06:17:58 <BlueMatt> MagicalTux: will do
500 2011-05-11 06:21:07 <jaromil> moin
501 2011-05-11 06:21:21 <topi`> moinmoin
502 2011-05-11 06:21:30 <jaromil> BlueMatt: i'll finish bfast with applepie and coffee and then complete the autotools
503 2011-05-11 06:21:43 <BlueMatt> jaromil: nice, looking forward to it ;)
504 2011-05-11 06:21:54 <jaromil> topi`: hey u passing by tonight for dinner with milkymist ?
505 2011-05-11 06:22:18 <jaromil> BlueMatt: i have a good feeling, but then that might just be the applepie
506 2011-05-11 06:22:29 <topi`> jaromil: what time? i have some business now
507 2011-05-11 06:22:38 <jaromil> ~20
508 2011-05-11 06:22:43 <topi`> that's cool
509 2011-05-11 06:22:46 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: oh, see, i think stealing from asshole retards is fine
510 2011-05-11 06:22:48 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: <3
511 2011-05-11 06:22:56 <topi`> i'll call you for the address :)
512 2011-05-11 06:23:12 <jaromil> yea. bring booze
513 2011-05-11 06:23:15 <BlueMatt> jrmithdobbs: since when is laporte an asshole or a retard?
514 2011-05-11 06:23:25 <jaromil> its the pre-dinner to next http://pixxxel.net
515 2011-05-11 06:23:28 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: that guy just rubs me wrong and always have
516 2011-05-11 06:23:30 <BlueMatt> MagicalTux: its info@mtgox.com right?
517 2011-05-11 06:23:41 <MagicalTux> BlueMatt, yep, for example
518 2011-05-11 06:23:58 <BlueMatt> jrmithdobbs: hm, dont know why...I see nothing wrong with him, I tend to enjoy his shows. they are pretty good
519 2011-05-11 06:24:07 <BlueMatt> though merit is better, but hes also on that network
520 2011-05-11 06:24:12 <jaromil> lekernel is quite some FPGA ninja
521 2011-05-11 06:24:19 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: he's boring and repetative and talks too much about shit that just doesn't matter
522 2011-05-11 06:24:29 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: hence why i think he comes off as a retard
523 2011-05-11 06:24:30 <BlueMatt> hence why I like merit
524 2011-05-11 06:24:46 <jrmithdobbs> but i can't stand any of those tech shows
525 2011-05-11 06:24:53 <jrmithdobbs> if i wanted to work i'd go to work! not watch tv!
526 2011-05-11 06:24:57 <BlueMatt> and you like this week in startups?
527 2011-05-11 06:25:01 <jrmithdobbs> no
528 2011-05-11 06:25:13 <jaromil> i love the daily show
529 2011-05-11 06:25:19 <BlueMatt> hells yes
530 2011-05-11 06:25:25 <jaromil> colbert is the best
531 2011-05-11 06:25:27 <jrmithdobbs> just laporte doesn't get rights to one of the most common phrases in broadcast journalism
532 2011-05-11 06:25:35 <jrmithdobbs> sorry
533 2011-05-11 06:26:05 <jaromil> and btw breaking bad is an awesome series
534 2011-05-11 06:26:26 <jrmithdobbs> i was so sad that dimitri's show turned out to be shit
535 2011-05-11 06:26:30 <BlueMatt> how is "this week in..." being a podcast title one of the most common phrases in broadcast journalism
536 2011-05-11 06:26:47 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: because it's been used in various broadcast media for 30+ years?
537 2011-05-11 06:26:51 <BlueMatt> jaromil: hm, I prefer stewart over colbert, but I suppose they are both hilarious
538 2011-05-11 06:26:53 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: eg: "this week in sports"
539 2011-05-11 06:27:08 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: or: "this week in baghdad"
540 2011-05-11 06:27:16 <BlueMatt> not as a podcast title esp referring to tech.  You do know the definition of copyright right?
541 2011-05-11 06:27:27 <BlueMatt> it has to infringe in such a way as to cause confusion of the consumer
542 2011-05-11 06:27:37 <sipa> eh no
543 2011-05-11 06:27:38 <jaromil> yea stewart reaches points of hilarity colbert doesn't
544 2011-05-11 06:27:46 <jaromil> but col keeps overall good rythm
545 2011-05-11 06:27:50 <sipa> that is a tradmark
546 2011-05-11 06:27:54 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: if they're violating than so is laporte because he does broadcast journalism
547 2011-05-11 06:27:58 <jaromil> http://i.imgur.com/jgf7Q.jpg
548 2011-05-11 06:27:59 <BlueMatt> sipa: yea, sorry always get them confused
549 2011-05-11 06:28:01 <jaromil> goodmorning breakfast
550 2011-05-11 06:28:03 <BlueMatt> clearly this week in sports wont...this week in startups will
551 2011-05-11 06:28:07 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: anyways, that'd be trademark violation
552 2011-05-11 06:28:15 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: his fault if he didn't trademark it (he can't)
553 2011-05-11 06:28:27 <BlueMatt> he can still sue
554 2011-05-11 06:28:31 <jrmithdobbs> and lose
555 2011-05-11 06:28:36 <BlueMatt> no, that he would win
556 2011-05-11 06:28:40 <jrmithdobbs> and look like a bigger irrelevant idiot than he already does
557 2011-05-11 06:28:42 <jrmithdobbs> no, he wouldn't
558 2011-05-11 06:29:02 <jrmithdobbs> you can't trademark sentence fragments, they have to be unique
559 2011-05-11 06:29:10 <BlueMatt> If I went and named a computer brand Minisoft, I would get sued out of existence
560 2011-05-11 06:29:15 <jrmithdobbs> if he would win he would have already done it
561 2011-05-11 06:29:20 <BlueMatt> same principle it could cause consumer confusion
562 2011-05-11 06:29:27 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,gen 1900000
563 2011-05-11 06:29:32 <jrmithdobbs> because i assure he's talked to his lawyers about it
564 2011-05-11 06:29:39 <jrmithdobbs> and they told him basically what I just said
565 2011-05-11 06:29:42 <BlueMatt> and yet apple has a trademark on "app store"
566 2011-05-11 06:29:58 <BlueMatt> yes you can, m$ has a trademark on "windows"
567 2011-05-11 06:30:10 <jrmithdobbs> hey, i didn't say the system was perfect
568 2011-05-11 06:30:13 <BlueMatt> just because its a common word doesnt mean I can go making software with a title identical to the original
569 2011-05-11 06:30:17 <EPiSKiNG> is gribble working?
570 2011-05-11 06:30:22 <jrmithdobbs> it has to be a unique use of a common word
571 2011-05-11 06:30:25 <BlueMatt> it means I can go make a window called windows
572 2011-05-11 06:30:30 <sipa> ;;bc,stats
573 2011-05-11 06:30:36 <BlueMatt> ;;ping
574 2011-05-11 06:30:43 <jrmithdobbs> "this week in" is not used uniquely by any stretch of the term
575 2011-05-11 06:30:45 <gribble> pong
576 2011-05-11 06:30:50 <sipa> ;;botsnack
577 2011-05-11 06:30:52 <gribble> Forget the snack, just send me some bitcoins at 1MgD6rah5zUgEGYZnNmdpnXMaDR3itKYzU :)
578 2011-05-11 06:30:57 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,gen 1900000
579 2011-05-11 06:31:03 <_ape> bot seems braindead
580 2011-05-11 06:31:11 <BlueMatt> jrmithdobbs: doesnt matter, it can cause consumer confusion
581 2011-05-11 06:31:18 <BlueMatt> you could easily convince a jury of that
582 2011-05-11 06:31:22 <BlueMatt> brand-stealing
583 2011-05-11 06:31:23 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: but he didn't trade mark it
584 2011-05-11 06:31:29 <jrmithdobbs> for there to be violation there must be a trademark
585 2011-05-11 06:31:33 <jrmithdobbs> so he has no grounds
586 2011-05-11 06:31:48 <BlueMatt> doesnt matter, you can trademark it now and sue, its obvious that they are attempting to steal the brand
587 2011-05-11 06:31:56 <BlueMatt> whether you like it or not, they get a ton of view so...
588 2011-05-11 06:32:02 <jrmithdobbs> if he had trademarked and it had made it through the process without getting rejected (probably would not have) he could sue
589 2011-05-11 06:32:15 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: now if he trademarks it all they have to do is show they were using it before he trademarked it
590 2011-05-11 06:32:49 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: there's clear case law showing this.
591 2011-05-11 06:32:57 <jrmithdobbs> not a grey area at all
592 2011-05-11 06:33:21 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: we have an LG that's based out of texas (forget what they make) for instance
593 2011-05-11 06:33:40 <BlueMatt> yes, but the point is they make something different and hence you cant sue
594 2011-05-11 06:33:54 <jrmithdobbs> no it's electronics related
595 2011-05-11 06:33:57 <jrmithdobbs> i know that much
596 2011-05-11 06:34:02 <BlueMatt> just like google couldnt sue me if I made a window company called google that made windows called apples
597 2011-05-11 06:34:05 <jrmithdobbs> they existed before LG changed their name
598 2011-05-11 06:34:14 <BlueMatt> only if its pretty clearly in the same product space...
599 2011-05-11 06:34:27 <BlueMatt> or if they had the name first
600 2011-05-11 06:34:30 <jrmithdobbs> LG is in pretty much every electronics product space
601 2011-05-11 06:34:34 <BlueMatt> which TWI startups didnt
602 2011-05-11 06:34:49 <jrmithdobbs> no they just have to have been using the name *before it was trademarked*
603 2011-05-11 06:34:51 <jrmithdobbs> not "first"
604 2011-05-11 06:35:16 <BlueMatt> and I would guarantee you laporte has a copyright on this week in tech and this week in law and this week in google which could easily beat the piss out of another this week in podcast in court
605 2011-05-11 06:35:17 <jrmithdobbs> he may have SOME grounds but he would have to show malicious intent iirc
606 2011-05-11 06:35:26 <jrmithdobbs> once again, that is not copyrightable
607 2011-05-11 06:35:31 <BlueMatt> no, he has to show confusion
608 2011-05-11 06:35:31 <jrmithdobbs> trademarks are different
609 2011-05-11 06:35:38 <BlueMatt> sorry, trademark wrong term
610 2011-05-11 06:35:43 <BlueMatt> either way point still valid
611 2011-05-11 06:36:18 <jrmithdobbs> if he had grounds he already would have, so he obviously doesn't
612 2011-05-11 06:36:29 <jrmithdobbs> pretty straight forward
613 2011-05-11 06:36:30 <BlueMatt> na, laporte is too lazy
614 2011-05-11 06:36:36 <BlueMatt> plus its not like he wants to spend the money to sue
615 2011-05-11 06:36:40 <jrmithdobbs> his lawyers aren't though
616 2011-05-11 06:36:41 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,estimate
617 2011-05-11 06:36:42 <BlueMatt> he doesnt have the lawyers
618 2011-05-11 06:37:04 <BlueMatt> doesnt mean its not blatent trademark infringement on the part of this week in startups
619 2011-05-11 06:37:57 <Diablo-D3> guh
620 2011-05-11 06:38:00 <Diablo-D3> so
621 2011-05-11 06:38:05 <Diablo-D3> the box is back where it belongs
622 2011-05-11 06:38:08 <Diablo-D3> everything is put away
623 2011-05-11 06:38:17 <Diablo-D3> my back hurts from leaning over an open computer for an hour
624 2011-05-11 06:38:41 <Diablo-D3> and my box is clean
625 2011-05-11 06:38:44 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: once again, you have to have a trademark before it can be violated
626 2011-05-11 06:38:46 <Diablo-D3> and the fans seem quieter
627 2011-05-11 06:38:56 <BlueMatt> jrmithdobbs: and I guarantee you he does
628 2011-05-11 06:38:58 <Diablo-D3> jrmithdobbs: however, he doesnt need a trademark to be violated
629 2011-05-11 06:39:05 <Diablo-D3> dohohohoho
630 2011-05-11 06:39:16 <BlueMatt> plus you dont have to actually register the trademark for it to be blatant infringement
631 2011-05-11 06:39:42 <Diablo-D3> lawlz
632 2011-05-11 06:39:44 <Diablo-D3> the temp
633 2011-05-11 06:39:45 <Diablo-D3> of my gpu
634 2011-05-11 06:39:47 <Diablo-D3> is 30c.
635 2011-05-11 06:40:00 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: can't infringe a non-existant trademark
636 2011-05-11 06:40:09 <jrmithdobbs> so yes, you do
637 2011-05-11 06:40:29 <Diablo-D3> no one else finds that funny?
638 2011-05-11 06:40:32 <BurtyBB> even if it's an unregistered trademark you still have some rights (I guess depending on country)
639 2011-05-11 06:40:38 <BlueMatt> it is a trademark, not a "registered trademark"
640 2011-05-11 06:41:13 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: only trademark in the us i see with "this week" in it is "this week" and it's some sunglasses company
641 2011-05-11 06:41:19 <BlueMatt> and yet again I say, "This week in..." is a registered trademark of laporte and his company
642 2011-05-11 06:41:19 <jrmithdobbs> his bad for not trademarking it man
643 2011-05-11 06:41:35 <Diablo-D3> wtf is 30c in f?
644 2011-05-11 06:41:42 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: show me the application
645 2011-05-11 06:41:49 <BurtyBB> 86
646 2011-05-11 06:41:59 <BlueMatt> you do realize that not all the trademark applications are on the internet, in fact very few
647 2011-05-11 06:42:01 <Diablo-D3> huh, its barely above room temp
648 2011-05-11 06:42:09 <BlueMatt> there are too many for the patent office to keep up with
649 2011-05-11 06:43:33 <BlueMatt> and as a sidenote, you CAN sue in federal court for trademark infringement WITHOUT a registered trademark, simply by having one, which under us law means you use it, not register it
650 2011-05-11 06:44:08 <BlueMatt> so even without registering this week in tech (which again, I would bet anything laporte has done) he can sue this week in startups
651 2011-05-11 06:44:25 <jrmithdobbs> patent office doesn't handle trademark claims
652 2011-05-11 06:44:30 <jrmithdobbs> but ok
653 2011-05-11 06:44:46 <BlueMatt> "patent and trademark office"
654 2011-05-11 06:44:48 <BlueMatt> same place
655 2011-05-11 06:44:52 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: seriously, it's not trademarkable
656 2011-05-11 06:44:53 <BlueMatt> so yes, they do
657 2011-05-11 06:44:57 <jrmithdobbs> http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/metaschool/fisher/domain/tm.htm
658 2011-05-11 06:45:04 <jrmithdobbs> trademarks 101
659 2011-05-11 06:45:30 <BlueMatt> yes I fucking understand trademarks, and under your idea, how does apple have a trademark on "app store" or microsoft one under "windows"
660 2011-05-11 06:45:43 <BlueMatt> clearly you dont understand the actual applications of the laws
661 2011-05-11 06:45:46 <BlueMatt> only the letter of them
662 2011-05-11 06:45:52 <mosi> work|is jgarzik's pushpool the best pool to use atm?. want to set up one for me and a few friends to use
663 2011-05-11 06:45:59 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: because it clearly fits the arbitrary trade mark requirements
664 2011-05-11 06:46:02 <BlueMatt> mosi|work: pretty much
665 2011-05-11 06:46:06 <doublec> mosi|work: I think it's the only pool
666 2011-05-11 06:46:17 <mosi> work|good enough for me :P cheers
667 2011-05-11 06:46:43 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: windows and apple are actual great examples of trademarks working like they should
668 2011-05-11 06:47:54 <BlueMatt> jrmithdobbs: and "this week in tech" is not a descriptive trademark?
669 2011-05-11 06:48:04 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: sure that is
670 2011-05-11 06:48:08 <BlueMatt> ie consumers associate the "this week in" brand with laporte's company?
671 2011-05-11 06:48:11 <BlueMatt> hence he can sue
672 2011-05-11 06:48:12 <jrmithdobbs> but "this week in" by itself is not
673 2011-05-11 06:48:31 <BlueMatt> that is after all, the whole point of trademark law, is to protect people from having their brand ripped off
674 2011-05-11 06:48:59 <BlueMatt> jrmithdobbs: thats where I disagree, if it was just "this week in tech" sure, but its not. its "this week in tech" "this week in law" "this week in google"
675 2011-05-11 06:49:02 <BlueMatt> etc, etc, etc
676 2011-05-11 06:49:11 <BlueMatt> hence "this week in" is a trademark of laporte
677 2011-05-11 06:50:18 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: i respectfully disagree
678 2011-05-11 06:50:23 <BlueMatt> fair enough
679 2011-05-11 06:50:24 <jrmithdobbs> and we'll have to leave it at that it seems
680 2011-05-11 06:50:39 <BlueMatt> sounds good, I need to be studying for an exam in 3 hours anyway...
681 2011-05-11 06:50:52 <jrmithdobbs> i need to be fixing run-init
682 2011-05-11 06:51:01 <jrmithdobbs> to not pivot_root
683 2011-05-11 06:51:14 <jrmithdobbs> ;P
684 2011-05-11 06:57:33 <jrmithdobbs> russian friends have fun with you again MagicalTux ?
685 2011-05-11 06:57:43 <jeremias> lol
686 2011-05-11 06:57:59 <jeremias> what is someones problem with mtgox
687 2011-05-11 06:58:08 <BlueMatt> they want payment to make it stop
688 2011-05-11 06:58:19 <BlueMatt> its the usual tactic, very common with sites that handle money
689 2011-05-11 06:58:37 <jrmithdobbs> aye, was just making sure it wasn't just me
690 2011-05-11 06:59:20 <BlueMatt> and until people stop paying, these kind of attacks will keep hapening
691 2011-05-11 06:59:47 <jeremias> yep... i hope there is some technology to prevent those ddos attacks
692 2011-05-11 07:00:09 <jeremias> but i guess it isn't too cheap
693 2011-05-11 07:00:13 <jrmithdobbs> jeremias: there is
694 2011-05-11 07:00:18 <jrmithdobbs> it's fun to implement
695 2011-05-11 07:00:31 <jrmithdobbs> jeremias: we used one called netzentry at a place i worked
696 2011-05-11 07:00:51 <Diablo-D3> you know what I dont understand?
697 2011-05-11 07:00:56 <BlueMatt> mtgox was moved to a host with ddos prevention
698 2011-05-11 07:00:58 <Diablo-D3> why they suggest you install TWO crossfire cables
699 2011-05-11 07:01:07 <Diablo-D3> how do you make a 4x rig, eh? ;)
700 2011-05-11 07:01:34 <jrmithdobbs> basically it's a bunch of traffic flow heuristics it learns over time, and there are very easy, from layer 3, heuristics to see a ddos ramp up, then it would just null route upstream (believe it or not, that's the hardest part because you got to get your providers on board with giving you some way of hooking in)
701 2011-05-11 07:01:53 <jrmithdobbs> pretty cool stuff
702 2011-05-11 07:02:06 <jrmithdobbs> esp for "easy" attacks like these
703 2011-05-11 07:02:17 <jrmithdobbs> easy to detect. not easy to stop.
704 2011-05-11 07:02:57 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: they don't want to endorse people blowing up their power supplies ;P
705 2011-05-11 07:03:20 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: because you know some jackass would try it on an urnrated 450w and then demand it be replaced
706 2011-05-11 07:03:34 <jrmithdobbs> s/urnrated/unrated/
707 2011-05-11 07:04:00 <jeremias> well, i guess it's pretty good business for those criminals
708 2011-05-11 07:04:03 <Diablo-D3> jrmithdobbs: erm
709 2011-05-11 07:04:08 <Diablo-D3> crossfire cables
710 2011-05-11 07:04:09 <Diablo-D3> you know
711 2011-05-11 07:04:13 <jeremias> since the site is losing money all the time ddos is happening
712 2011-05-11 07:04:16 <Diablo-D3> the little flexable circuit bridges that go on top that do nothing?
713 2011-05-11 07:04:26 <jeremias> so going for the "easy" solution is pretty intriguing
714 2011-05-11 07:04:40 <ArtForz> jeremias: man danegeld
715 2011-05-11 07:04:58 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: ya but endorsing people plug two in keeps em from installing 4 gpus
716 2011-05-11 07:05:14 <Diablo-D3> but... they're officially supported to support 4
717 2011-05-11 07:05:28 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: TELL ME
718 2011-05-11 07:05:31 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125318
719 2011-05-11 07:05:34 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: HOW LONG IS THIS CARD
720 2011-05-11 07:06:02 <Diablo-D3> is that a normal length 5850?
721 2011-05-11 07:06:16 <jrmithdobbs> looks like it
722 2011-05-11 07:06:41 <jrmithdobbs> only thing different is the second dvi
723 2011-05-11 07:06:52 <jrmithdobbs> (and fan obviously)
724 2011-05-11 07:07:03 <Diablo-D3> well wtf.
725 2011-05-11 07:07:09 <Diablo-D3> my 4850 is abnormally tiny then
726 2011-05-11 07:07:21 <Diablo-D3> Im glad I didnt buy a longer card
727 2011-05-11 07:08:19 <ArtForz> hard to find a good image
728 2011-05-11 07:08:38 <Diablo-D3> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ImageGallery.aspx?CurImage=14-125-318-Z03&SpinSet=14-125-318-RS&ISList=14-125-318-Z01%2c14-125-318-Z02%2c14-125-318-Z03%2c14-125-318-Z04%2c14-125-318-Z05&S7ImageFlag=1&Item=N82E16814125318&Depa=0&WaterMark=1&Description=GIGABYTE%20GV-R585OC-1GD%20Radeon%20HD%205850%20%28Cypress%20Pro%29%201GB%20256-bit%20GDDR5%20PCI%20Express%202.1%20x16%20HDCP%20Ready%20CrossFireX%20Support%20Video%20Card
729 2011-05-11 07:08:41 <Diablo-D3> ffffffff
730 2011-05-11 07:09:04 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: says it's 13" if anything it's smaller than some
731 2011-05-11 07:09:07 <ArtForz> looks a bit longer than a normal 5850
732 2011-05-11 07:09:18 <Diablo-D3> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ImageGallery.aspx?CurImage=14-125-318-Z03&SpinSet=14-125-318-RS&ISList=14-125-318-Z01%2c14-125-318-Z02%2c14-125-318-Z03%2c14-125-318-Z04%2c14-125-318-Z05&S7ImageFlag=1&Item=N82E16814125318&Depa=0&WaterMark=1
733 2011-05-11 07:09:26 <Diablo-D3> lol url ahcking
734 2011-05-11 07:09:28 <jrmithdobbs> eg
735 2011-05-11 07:09:29 <jrmithdobbs> http://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Radeon-PCI-Express-Graphics-100282-3SR/dp/B003D0IS3K
736 2011-05-11 07:09:33 <jrmithdobbs> 14.8"
737 2011-05-11 07:09:52 <Diablo-D3> thats not even the same card!
738 2011-05-11 07:10:22 <jrmithdobbs> huh?
739 2011-05-11 07:10:26 <Diablo-D3> jrmithdobbs: btw, 13" is BIGGER THAN A 5970
740 2011-05-11 07:10:27 <jrmithdobbs> you said 5850 right?
741 2011-05-11 07:10:40 <Diablo-D3> jrmithdobbs: not all 5850 are the same.
742 2011-05-11 07:10:51 <jrmithdobbs> aye
743 2011-05-11 07:10:56 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: like, how longer? 5870 longer?
744 2011-05-11 07:10:57 <jrmithdobbs> just sayin it was shorter than some 5850s
745 2011-05-11 07:10:59 <ArtForz> looks as long as 5870 pretty much
746 2011-05-11 07:11:11 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: well, I put it in, and it BARELY FITS
747 2011-05-11 07:11:29 <Diablo-D3> I had to turn one of my HD upsidedown so the cables move
748 2011-05-11 07:11:32 <ArtForz> cue "that's what she said"
749 2011-05-11 07:12:28 <jrmithdobbs> haha
750 2011-05-11 07:12:33 <Diablo-D3> heh
751 2011-05-11 07:12:41 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: so if I bought a stock 5870, it'd still fit?
752 2011-05-11 07:13:19 <ArtForz> probably
753 2011-05-11 07:13:22 <Diablo-D3> man
754 2011-05-11 07:13:27 <Diablo-D3> Im glad the power comes out the top
755 2011-05-11 07:13:30 <Diablo-D3> and not the ass end
756 2011-05-11 07:14:12 <ArtForz> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ImageGallery.aspx?CurImage=14-129-141-Z03&ISList=14-129-141-Z01%2c14-129-141-Z02%2c14-129-141-Z03%2c14-129-141-Z04%2c14-129-141-Z05%2c14-129-141-Z06&S7ImageFlag=1&Item=N82E16814129141&Depa=0&WaterMark=1&Description=VisionTek%20900297%20Radeon%20HD%205850%20%28Cypress%20Pro%29%201GB%20256-bit%20GDDR5%20PCI%20Express%202.0%20x16%20HDCP%20Ready%20CrossFire%20Supported%20Video%20Card%20w%2fATI%20Eyefinity <- ref 5
757 2011-05-11 07:14:25 <jaromil> BlueMatt, jgarzik, sipa: i'm done with autotools, you can test it already. i'm just updating the documentation now and then rebasing into one commit
758 2011-05-11 07:15:18 <BlueMatt> jaromil: nice...Ill test it in a couple hours when I get back from my next exam
759 2011-05-11 07:15:28 <jrmithdobbs> jaromil: that's awesome.
760 2011-05-11 07:15:48 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: interestingly, the connector is the same size in the photos
761 2011-05-11 07:15:56 <BlueMatt> hopefully we can get that merged and we'll have 1/3 things done which are on the list for 0.4.0
762 2011-05-11 07:16:11 <BlueMatt> (gitian-builder, autotools, wallet encryption)
763 2011-05-11 07:16:13 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: i think it's just a little longer
764 2011-05-11 07:16:18 <BlueMatt> possibly also fee change
765 2011-05-11 07:16:22 <Diablo-D3> its just a TAD longer
766 2011-05-11 07:16:23 <jaromil> to test do
767 2011-05-11 07:16:39 <jaromil> git@github.com:jaromil/bitcoin.git; git checkout origin/autotools3; git checkout -b autotools
768 2011-05-11 07:16:43 <jaromil> ops
769 2011-05-11 07:16:46 <jaromil> git clone git@github.com:jaromil/bitcoin.git; git checkout origin/autotools3; git checkout -b autotools
770 2011-05-11 07:16:58 <ArtForz> Diablo-D3: yes
771 2011-05-11 07:17:04 <Diablo-D3> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ImageGallery.aspx?CurImage=14-129-160-Z03&SpinSet=14-129-160-RS&ISList=14-129-160-Z01%2c14-129-160-Z02%2c14-129-160-Z03%2c14-129-160-Z04%2c14-129-160-Z05%2c14-129-160-Z06&S7ImageFlag=1&Item=N82E16814129160&Depa=0&WaterMark=1&Description=VisionTek%20900322%20Radeon%20HD%205870%202GB%20256-bit%20GDDR5%20PCI%20Express%202.0%20x16%20CrossFireX%20Support%20Eyefinity%206%20Edition%20Video%20Card
772 2011-05-11 07:17:06 <Diablo-D3> stock 5870
773 2011-05-11 07:17:10 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: power on top is a nice touch though
774 2011-05-11 07:17:11 <BlueMatt> git remote add jaromil https://github.com/jaromil/bitcoin.git; git fetch jaromil; git checkout jaromil/autotools
775 2011-05-11 07:17:12 <jaromil> don't mind last commit messages i'm still completing documentation
776 2011-05-11 07:17:16 <jaromil> yea
777 2011-05-11 07:17:19 <BlueMatt> better way ^
778 2011-05-11 07:17:19 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: makes it workable at least
779 2011-05-11 07:17:23 <jaromil> better yes
780 2011-05-11 07:17:27 <Diablo-D3> uhh
781 2011-05-11 07:17:30 <Diablo-D3> its as long as a 5870
782 2011-05-11 07:17:31 <BlueMatt> or isnt it jaromil/autotools3?
783 2011-05-11 07:17:36 <jaromil> autotools3
784 2011-05-11 07:17:40 <Diablo-D3> although those fucking stock 5870s have those fucking holes in the back
785 2011-05-11 07:17:45 <Diablo-D3> which would defenetly have fucked me
786 2011-05-11 07:17:50 <jaromil> the other are previous history in detail
787 2011-05-11 07:17:57 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: not a fan of the holes in the back :(
788 2011-05-11 07:17:59 <jaromil> not up to date
789 2011-05-11 07:18:04 <sipa> BlueMatt: i also hope to get wallet export/import done for 0.4.0 :)
790 2011-05-11 07:18:12 <BlueMatt> ah, ok didnt know that
791 2011-05-11 07:18:16 <Diablo-D3> well
792 2011-05-11 07:18:17 <ArtForz> you mean the batman vents?
793 2011-05-11 07:18:17 <Diablo-D3> I know now
794 2011-05-11 07:18:21 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: YES
795 2011-05-11 07:18:22 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: they've killed my plans to go denser on this case :(
796 2011-05-11 07:18:23 <Diablo-D3> THOSE
797 2011-05-11 07:18:39 <Diablo-D3> jrmithdobbs: well, you can always swap that out
798 2011-05-11 07:18:46 <Diablo-D3> and 69xx dont have them
799 2011-05-11 07:18:49 <ArtForz> yeah, they add a few mm to the card FNAR
800 2011-05-11 07:18:52 <Diablo-D3> but like
801 2011-05-11 07:18:53 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: aye
802 2011-05-11 07:18:55 <Diablo-D3> if I want to get a longer card
803 2011-05-11 07:19:02 <Diablo-D3> Im going to have to switch to 2.5" drives.
804 2011-05-11 07:19:09 <Diablo-D3> and thats just the way it is
805 2011-05-11 07:19:16 <jrmithdobbs> what do you have your box in? a pizza box?
806 2011-05-11 07:19:23 <Diablo-D3> p180b
807 2011-05-11 07:19:24 <ArtForz> Diablo-D3: your case doesn't have a empty 5.25" bay?
808 2011-05-11 07:19:36 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: sure
809 2011-05-11 07:19:37 <ArtForz> internal 3.5" cages are overrated
810 2011-05-11 07:19:44 <Diablo-D3> but I have two drives
811 2011-05-11 07:19:55 <Diablo-D3> and I hate 2x 3.5 -> 5.25 mounts
812 2011-05-11 07:20:15 <jrmithdobbs> mine would fit in the 3.5" cage on this case if i was willing to modify the slot bracket
813 2011-05-11 07:20:21 <ArtForz> btw, another "I never wanted to know that" .. you can fit a ATX PSU in 3 5.25" bays
814 2011-05-11 07:20:27 <jrmithdobbs> so that i could face the power connector up
815 2011-05-11 07:20:30 <jrmithdobbs> but fuck that
816 2011-05-11 07:20:35 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: no, I knew that one
817 2011-05-11 07:20:54 <Diablo-D3> but ONLY do it with a modular
818 2011-05-11 07:21:06 <Diablo-D3> infact, have both modulars
819 2011-05-11 07:21:08 <Diablo-D3> infact
820 2011-05-11 07:21:12 <Diablo-D3> dont even bother with a fucking case
821 2011-05-11 07:21:14 <Diablo-D3> do it art style
822 2011-05-11 07:21:17 <jrmithdobbs> ArtForz: 5850s can be pretty safely strapped to fan mounts using zipties
823 2011-05-11 07:21:24 <jrmithdobbs> ArtForz: another "never wanted to know"
824 2011-05-11 07:21:30 <ArtForz> hehehe
825 2011-05-11 07:21:31 <Diablo-D3> jrmithdobbs: oh god what
826 2011-05-11 07:21:43 <jrmithdobbs> not joking.
827 2011-05-11 07:21:52 <Diablo-D3> I didnt want to know that
828 2011-05-11 07:22:08 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: remember how i was saying i'd buy those plastic xfire covers off you so i could stop folding paper?
829 2011-05-11 07:22:13 <jrmithdobbs> ya that's why
830 2011-05-11 07:22:20 <jrmithdobbs> ;P
831 2011-05-11 07:22:34 <Diablo-D3> and they're rubber damnit
832 2011-05-11 07:22:41 <Diablo-D3> and Ive never seen one before ever
833 2011-05-11 07:23:08 <eps1> http://www.quora.com/Aaron-Greenspan/In-Fifty-Days-Payments-Innovation-Will-Stop-In-Silicon-Valley
834 2011-05-11 07:23:54 <ArtForz> ahh, the xfire connector condoms?
835 2011-05-11 07:24:21 <ArtForz> all my 5970s have em
836 2011-05-11 07:24:28 <ArtForz> well, most
837 2011-05-11 07:24:53 <Diablo-D3> my 4850 didnt
838 2011-05-11 07:24:59 <jrmithdobbs> these 5850s don't
839 2011-05-11 07:25:11 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: arent 4850 and 5850 supposed to be the same size?
840 2011-05-11 07:25:16 <ArtForz> well, guess thats another way to shave off $0.05
841 2011-05-11 07:25:36 <jrmithdobbs> btw, the conversation that led to using the oragami method was the nerdiest/awesomest thing ever
842 2011-05-11 07:25:37 <Diablo-D3> this 5850 fucking dwarfs my 4850
843 2011-05-11 07:25:39 <Diablo-D3> infact
844 2011-05-11 07:25:44 <Diablo-D3> the heatsink looks like mine almost
845 2011-05-11 07:26:00 <Diablo-D3> I mean, I bet it even weighs almost as much
846 2011-05-11 07:26:09 <Diablo-D3> the two cards as a whole way about the same
847 2011-05-11 07:26:10 <Diablo-D3> so ffffff
848 2011-05-11 07:29:17 <jrmithdobbs> there it is
849 2011-05-11 07:29:18 <jrmithdobbs> http://pastebin.ca/2056676
850 2011-05-11 07:30:22 <jrmithdobbs> (not irc, obviously, names have been changed to protect the guilty)
851 2011-05-11 07:31:23 <ArtForz> yeah
852 2011-05-11 07:31:32 <jaromil> does anyone knows about the copyright reference to Eric Young cryptsoft.com
853 2011-05-11 07:31:40 <jaromil> to what part of bitcoin does it refers?
854 2011-05-11 07:31:48 <ArtForz> my air guide prototypes were all cardboard ;)
855 2011-05-11 07:31:56 <jaromil> i can't find anything about that. cryptopp is from Wei Day and various authors
856 2011-05-11 07:32:07 <jaromil> yet that copyright reference is present everywhere
857 2011-05-11 07:32:22 <BlueMatt> jaromil: IIRC its openssl
858 2011-05-11 07:32:30 <ArtForz> openssl
859 2011-05-11 07:32:30 <jaromil> i'm reviewing documentation, but there are so many errors that i'm thinking to leave that for another pull request
860 2011-05-11 07:32:40 <jaromil> ok but isn't openssl from various authors?
861 2011-05-11 07:32:44 <jrmithdobbs> jaromil: some ssleay code?
862 2011-05-11 07:32:46 <jaromil> it is stated already openssl
863 2011-05-11 07:32:53 <jrmithdobbs> jaromil: cause that's who wrote ssleay
864 2011-05-11 07:33:03 <BlueMatt> we dont use ssleay though
865 2011-05-11 07:33:04 <jaromil> ack
866 2011-05-11 07:33:08 <jaromil> its not inside
867 2011-05-11 07:33:21 <jrmithdobbs> bad copyright notice propigation?
868 2011-05-11 07:33:22 <jrmithdobbs> heh
869 2011-05-11 07:33:24 <jaromil> i think it is important to correct this part of the documentation
870 2011-05-11 07:33:32 <jaromil> not just for the copyright
871 2011-05-11 07:33:35 <jrmithdobbs> maybe something at one point used part of the ssleay code and doesn't?
872 2011-05-11 07:33:40 <jrmithdobbs> now
873 2011-05-11 07:33:43 <jaromil> but if a cryptographer that known implementations around reads it
874 2011-05-11 07:33:56 <jaromil> gets mislead and starts seeing incongruences and thinks is FUD
875 2011-05-11 07:34:08 <ArtForz> openssl is openssl+ssleay
876 2011-05-11 07:34:23 <jrmithdobbs> ah then there it is
877 2011-05-11 07:34:33 <BlueMatt> ah, ok
878 2011-05-11 07:34:42 <jaromil> so but then is part of openssl
879 2011-05-11 07:34:56 <jaromil> is there a special license clause with openssl that says it should be mentioned separately?
880 2011-05-11 07:35:03 <BlueMatt> who cares, just leave it in?
881 2011-05-11 07:35:08 <BlueMatt> easier to be safe than sorry
882 2011-05-11 07:35:13 <jaromil> yes
883 2011-05-11 07:35:15 <ArtForz> yep
884 2011-05-11 07:35:29 <BlueMatt> and who knows maybe eric young wrote some code for satoshi
885 2011-05-11 07:35:35 <jaromil> actually i was adding ppl
886 2011-05-11 07:35:41 <jaromil> like Wei Dai is not mentioned
887 2011-05-11 07:35:49 <jaromil> however i think we should do this in another pull req
888 2011-05-11 07:35:50 <ArtForz> it's just std CYA when including anything from openssl
889 2011-05-11 07:35:50 <jrmithdobbs> hoping this extra ~142cfm is going to let me close these fucking things so i can a) stop having to lock the cat up when i leave b) stop having to watch the cat while i'm home c) stop having to yell at the cat and d) colo these bitches ;P
890 2011-05-11 07:35:53 <jaromil> so i'll dump this
891 2011-05-11 07:36:01 <jaromil> just keep in mind is needed