1 2011-05-15 00:03:12 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":8.9,"low":5.83,"vol":56363,"buy":6.53,"sell":6.9897,"last":6.538}}
  2 2011-05-15 00:03:12 <vorlov> ;;bc,mtgox
  3 2011-05-15 00:34:56 <sec^nd> whoever runs bitcoin faucet :)
  4 2011-05-15 00:34:58 <sec^nd> SoBfeWyLf@gmail.com 67.248.114.198  d8f72f29939dcdca727ed02f01234fd0235e8cf8e864f818239c1c53d9fc2b53
  5 2011-05-15 00:35:02 <sec^nd> looks suspicious
  6 2011-05-15 00:54:23 <citiz3n> isn't it gavin that runs the faucet?
  7 2011-05-15 01:00:52 <luke-jr> sec^nd: you look more suspicious :P
  8 2011-05-15 01:14:54 <dinox> how many Hash needed for one share?
  9 2011-05-15 01:15:31 <gmaxwell> One share of what?
 10 2011-05-15 01:15:38 <gmaxwell> The shares on a pool?
 11 2011-05-15 01:15:49 <dinox> gmaxwell: Yeap
 12 2011-05-15 01:16:31 <dinox> ;;calc,gen 1 1
 13 2011-05-15 01:16:31 <gmaxwell> something like 4295032833 on average.
 14 2011-05-15 01:16:31 <gribble> Error: "calc,gen" is not a valid command.
 15 2011-05-15 01:16:59 <gmaxwell> ;;bc,gen 1 1
 16 2011-05-15 01:17:00 <gribble> Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
 17 2011-05-15 01:17:04 <gmaxwell> ;;bc,gend 1 1
 18 2011-05-15 01:17:04 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 1, is 1.00582838058 BTC per day and 0.0419095158577 BTC per hour.
 19 2011-05-15 01:18:12 <dinox> ;;calc,calcd 1 1
 20 2011-05-15 01:18:12 <gribble> Error: "calc,calcd" is not a valid command.
 21 2011-05-15 01:18:15 <dinox> ;;calc,calcd1 1
 22 2011-05-15 01:18:15 <gribble> Error: "calc,calcd1" is not a valid command.
 23 2011-05-15 01:18:18 <dinox> ;;calc,calc 1 1
 24 2011-05-15 01:18:18 <gribble> Error: "calc,calc" is not a valid command.
 25 2011-05-15 01:18:22 <dinox> ;;calc,calc 1
 26 2011-05-15 01:18:22 <gribble> Error: "calc,calc" is not a valid command.
 27 2011-05-15 01:18:29 <dinox> ;;bc,calcd 1
 28 2011-05-15 01:18:30 <gribble> (bc,calcd <an alias, 2 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo The average time to generate a block at $1 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of $2, is [time elapsed [math calc 1/((2**224-1)/$2*$1*1000/2**256)]]".
 29 2011-05-15 01:18:32 <dinox> ;;bc,calcd 1 1
 30 2011-05-15 01:18:33 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 1, is 7 weeks, 0 days, 17 hours, 2 minutes, and 47 seconds
 31 2011-05-15 01:19:22 <gmaxwell> dinox: in any case, I gave you a number above.
 32 2011-05-15 01:19:35 <gmaxwell> (dunno if you missed it)
 33 2011-05-15 01:19:45 <dinox> gmaxwell: Ok, just checking :)
 34 2011-05-15 01:21:12 <JFK911> ;;bc,mtgox
 35 2011-05-15 01:21:13 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":8.81,"low":5.83,"vol":50976,"buy":6.539,"sell":6.66,"last":6.539}}
 36 2011-05-15 01:21:17 <JFK911> nice low
 37 2011-05-15 01:22:36 <charliesheen> how much would someone pay for a silkroad account?
 38 2011-05-15 01:25:09 <dinox> ;;bc,gen 340000
 39 2011-05-15 01:25:12 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 340000 Khps, given current difficulty of 157426.20628986 , is 2.17232986463 BTC per day and 0.0905137443595 BTC per hour.
 40 2011-05-15 01:30:56 <phantomcircuit> trying to build the latest git results in a bunch of wx related errors converting from wxString to char* and vice versa
 41 2011-05-15 01:31:12 <_ape> does anyone else get ~75% cpu use with sdk 2.1 and the latest diablominer?
 42 2011-05-15 01:31:19 <_ape> catalyst 10.11
 43 2011-05-15 01:58:45 <sethsethseth__> quick someone tell me the current block count
 44 2011-05-15 02:01:45 <xelister> hey ForceDestroyer
 45 2011-05-15 02:02:06 <xelister> ForceDestroyer: aren't you by any chance that guy that thinks that usa GOV is good and actually anti-censor?
 46 2011-05-15 02:03:14 <phantomcircuit> sethsethseth__, ;;bc,stat
 47 2011-05-15 02:03:16 <phantomcircuit> sethsethseth__, ;;bc,stats
 48 2011-05-15 03:05:54 <midnightmagic> i feel..  as though I am somehow.. becoming more like Diablo-D3..
 49 2011-05-15 03:06:57 <Diablo-D3> oh?
 50 2011-05-15 03:07:28 <_ape> Diablo-D3 is there any way to make your miner show stale shares? I'm using it with btcmine and they dont report them either :x
 51 2011-05-15 03:07:44 <Diablo-D3> _ape: my miner only reports what the other side reports
 52 2011-05-15 03:07:45 <_ape> and right now my score is lower than somebody who has lower hashrate so i know i must be getting some
 53 2011-05-15 03:07:49 <_ape> damn
 54 2011-05-15 03:08:09 <Diablo-D3> if the share is stale, a pool is supposed to return "false" (same as if real bitcoin rejected the block)
 55 2011-05-15 03:08:40 <_ape> yeah apparently btcmine doesnt because the operator doesnt want to waste the cpu
 56 2011-05-15 03:09:17 <Diablo-D3> ...
 57 2011-05-15 03:14:53 <_ape> idk if thats true or not, maybe he just wants people to think they arent getting any stales lol
 58 2011-05-15 03:17:13 <_ape> maybe its some other overhead dropping my reward lower
 59 2011-05-15 03:17:15 <_ape> dunno
 60 2011-05-15 03:17:15 <dinox> do I need to start bitcoind with -generate for solo mining or is that only for cpu-mining?
 61 2011-05-15 03:17:57 <lfm> dinox -generate true is cpu mining
 62 2011-05-15 03:18:48 <_ape> oh also Diablo-D3 i'm getting 82% cpu use with my 5970 and your latest miner
 63 2011-05-15 03:18:55 <_ape> with catalyst 10.11 and sdk 2.1
 64 2011-05-15 03:18:56 <_ape> is that normal?
 65 2011-05-15 03:19:04 <_ape> i was only getting like 30% cpu use with poclbm
 66 2011-05-15 03:19:06 <midnightmagic> Diablo-D3: I am growing scornful and cynical at all the greedy douchebags invading the #bitcoin* channels.
 67 2011-05-15 03:19:23 <dinox> lfm: ok, so start bitcoind without -gen flag and then just connect phoenix to it?
 68 2011-05-15 03:19:42 <lfm> dinox: solo mining with external mining program use -gen=0
 69 2011-05-15 03:19:47 <phantomcircuit> midnightmagic, ?
 70 2011-05-15 03:19:56 <dinox> lfm: thanks
 71 2011-05-15 03:20:09 <midnightmagic> dinox: you can verify afterwards by checking CPU usage for bitcoind, and also that bitcoind getinfo reports:     "generate" : false,
 72 2011-05-15 03:20:36 <Diablo-D3> midnightmagic: hah
 73 2011-05-15 03:20:50 <Diablo-D3> _ape: its not normal. are you sure you're usind sdk 2.1?
 74 2011-05-15 03:20:56 <_ape> let me check gpucapsviewer
 75 2011-05-15 03:20:56 <Diablo-D3> _ape: either that, or you have one hell of a slow cpu
 76 2011-05-15 03:21:02 <_ape> im on a core i7 so i doubt it
 77 2011-05-15 03:21:06 <Diablo-D3> _ape: or your -f is very low
 78 2011-05-15 03:21:10 <_ape> its on -f 60
 79 2011-05-15 03:21:31 <Diablo-D3> when did you measure the cpu use?
 80 2011-05-15 03:21:32 <_ape> i think that when i switched my 5870 for 5970 and reinstalled the display driver maybe it overwrote my opencl sdk
 81 2011-05-15 03:21:33 <_ape> lets see
 82 2011-05-15 03:22:00 <_ape> nope it says stream-v2.1
 83 2011-05-15 03:22:07 <_ape> i was just looking in task manager
 84 2011-05-15 03:22:10 <_ape> perf tab
 85 2011-05-15 03:22:18 <_ape> java.exe 75% cpu use atm
 86 2011-05-15 03:22:33 <Diablo-D3> it'll use a lot of cpu the first like 30 seconds
 87 2011-05-15 03:22:40 <_ape> well its been running a few hours
 88 2011-05-15 03:22:42 <_ape> with constant cpu
 89 2011-05-15 03:22:46 <_ape> maybe its my java version?
 90 2011-05-15 03:22:47 <Diablo-D3> hrm weird, shouldnt do that.
 91 2011-05-15 03:23:00 <Diablo-D3> I doubt its the java version, although you're welcome to make sure you have the newest version
 92 2011-05-15 03:23:12 <_ape> lets see
 93 2011-05-15 03:23:50 <_ape> java version "1.6.0_21"
 94 2011-05-15 03:23:55 <_ape> probably ancient
 95 2011-05-15 03:24:13 <Diablo-D3> not too far behind
 96 2011-05-15 03:24:17 <Diablo-D3> Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_25-b06)
 97 2011-05-15 03:24:35 <_ape> hmmm
 98 2011-05-15 03:24:36 <_ape> aha
 99 2011-05-15 03:24:43 <_ape> caps viewer says its using catalyst 11.2
100 2011-05-15 03:24:46 <_ape> not the 10.11 driver
101 2011-05-15 03:24:58 <_ape> i think what happened was when i rebooted with the 5970, windows loaded the display driver before my catalyst install finished
102 2011-05-15 03:25:01 <Diablo-D3> 11.x is kinda iffy until you hit 11.4
103 2011-05-15 03:25:05 <_ape> yeah
104 2011-05-15 03:25:10 <_ape> going to reinstall 10.11
105 2011-05-15 03:25:15 <_ape> and see if it fixes it
106 2011-05-15 03:25:19 <Diablo-D3> well
107 2011-05-15 03:25:23 <Diablo-D3> try uninstalling catalyst and the sdk first
108 2011-05-15 03:25:26 <_ape> yeah
109 2011-05-15 03:25:27 <_ape> will do
110 2011-05-15 03:34:21 <Diablo-D3> I just realized something
111 2011-05-15 03:34:31 <Diablo-D3> mining is the only thing in the world where you want your fps to go down, not up
112 2011-05-15 03:35:43 <retinal> Diablo-D3: what about v-sync?
113 2011-05-15 03:35:56 <Diablo-D3> what about it?
114 2011-05-15 03:36:10 <retinal> similar thing? capping your fps?
115 2011-05-15 03:36:18 <Diablo-D3> well, thats what we're doing
116 2011-05-15 03:36:22 <Diablo-D3> -f 1 "caps" it a t1
117 2011-05-15 03:36:33 <retinal> hah, makes sense
118 2011-05-15 03:36:37 <retinal> I acutally use -f0
119 2011-05-15 03:36:41 <Diablo-D3> its just that it "caps" it by making the kernel run size huge
120 2011-05-15 03:36:42 <retinal> *actually
121 2011-05-15 03:36:46 <Diablo-D3> retinal: not on mine you dont
122 2011-05-15 03:37:07 <Diablo-D3> that would be divide by zero in a few places
123 2011-05-15 03:37:18 <retinal> that would explain a few things, hehe
124 2011-05-15 03:38:00 <Nesetalis> so has anyone poked at bringing forth the cryptographic communication scheme through bitcoin or namecoin or something?
125 2011-05-15 03:38:18 <Diablo-D3> Nesetalis: it could happen
126 2011-05-15 03:38:32 <Diablo-D3> its really no different than the bitdns/coinname/whatever it is shit
127 2011-05-15 03:38:39 <Nesetalis> aye
128 2011-05-15 03:39:21 <Nesetalis> i'm just stuck on the idea of anonymous mail with a cost attached to it.
129 2011-05-15 03:39:31 <Diablo-D3> it'd be expensive
130 2011-05-15 03:39:35 <Nesetalis> yes
131 2011-05-15 03:40:05 <Nesetalis> the expense could go to the recipient though
132 2011-05-15 03:40:11 <Diablo-D3> nope.
133 2011-05-15 03:40:13 <_ape> oh wouldnt that be great
134 2011-05-15 03:40:15 <Diablo-D3> also, that'd be insane
135 2011-05-15 03:40:18 <_ape> "you've received a spam message. $5"
136 2011-05-15 03:40:19 <Nesetalis> insane? :p
137 2011-05-15 03:40:20 <_ape> FFFFF
138 2011-05-15 03:40:20 <Diablo-D3> I could just flood everyone with email
139 2011-05-15 03:40:26 <Nesetalis> er
140 2011-05-15 03:40:28 <Nesetalis> you misunderstand
141 2011-05-15 03:40:36 <Nesetalis> or
142 2011-05-15 03:40:38 <Nesetalis> i spoke badly :P
143 2011-05-15 03:40:44 <_ape> that would be as bad as receiving stupid txt messages that cost 10 cents
144 2011-05-15 03:40:46 <Nesetalis> i meant the money spent would be recieved by the recipient
145 2011-05-15 03:40:53 <_ape> oh :P
146 2011-05-15 03:40:53 <Diablo-D3> Nesetalis: nope
147 2011-05-15 03:40:55 <Diablo-D3> its a fee
148 2011-05-15 03:41:03 <_ape> who is going to transmit it for free then in that case
149 2011-05-15 03:41:04 <Diablo-D3> its recieved by te block owner
150 2011-05-15 03:41:06 <_ape> what is the incentive
151 2011-05-15 03:42:09 <Nesetalis> -chuckles- i'm just figuring, recieve spam, yay 0.02BTC... throw away spam :p
152 2011-05-15 03:42:39 <Diablo-D3> naw, thats why you mine
153 2011-05-15 03:42:45 <Diablo-D3> then we ALL recieve spam profits
154 2011-05-15 03:43:13 <Nesetalis> if you can aford the big rig... i can output 34Mhash/s with both GPU and CPU running :\n545050
155 2011-05-15 03:44:52 <CIA-103> bitcoin: nanotube * rd879712147cd supybot-bitcoin-marketmonitor/GPG/helperscripts/bitcoin-otc-gpgauth-colloquy.applescript: Merge pull request #13 from BitMark/patch-1 http://tinyurl.com/6je88d2
156 2011-05-15 03:46:05 <Nesetalis> either way, its something id like to see running eventually
157 2011-05-15 03:52:34 <thedrs> ;;bc,mtgox
158 2011-05-15 03:52:35 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":8.81,"low":5.83,"vol":52054,"buy":6.62,"sell":6.7899,"last":6.6112}}
159 2011-05-15 03:59:05 <CIA-103> DiabloMiner: Patrick McFarland master * ra2ee228 / src/main/java/com/diablominer/DiabloMiner/DiabloMiner.java :
160 2011-05-15 04:00:22 <sacarlson> Nesetalis: I can see sending mesages with a transaction I just can't see how it get's charged on the other end?
161 2011-05-15 04:00:59 <Nesetalis> distribution of wealth,reward for being bothered :p
162 2011-05-15 04:01:33 <sacarlson> Nesetalis: I have plans of adding messages to some of my new chains
163 2011-05-15 04:02:03 <sacarlson> Nesetalis: but the charge goes to the sender
164 2011-05-15 04:02:15 <Diablo-D3> are te forums down?
165 2011-05-15 04:02:15 <Nesetalis> er
166 2011-05-15 04:02:38 <sacarlson> Nesetalis: oh and a bit to the minners
167 2011-05-15 04:02:59 <Nesetalis> sacarlson as i said earlier, i misstyped, i meant to say the money would go /to/ the recipient, not that the recipient would pay for it
168 2011-05-15 04:03:22 <Nesetalis> and yes, to the miners as well.
169 2011-05-15 04:03:23 <sacarlson> Nesetalis: oh sorry I missed that ya that can be done and will
170 2011-05-15 04:03:47 <Nesetalis> i figure, if you are going to send some one a message.. if its important enough.. pay the block, and pay the recipient..
171 2011-05-15 04:04:01 <Nesetalis> but i dont know enough about how transactions propogate to really discuss this... its a bit of a blackbox to me how it all fits together.
172 2011-05-15 04:05:58 <sacarlson> Nesetalis: I'm not sure it will ever be added to the bitcoin chain or if it would ever be needed but it will be tested in some of my chains and if people like it it will propogate
173 2011-05-15 04:06:17 <Nesetalis> your chains? what ones are they?
174 2011-05-15 04:06:48 <sacarlson> Nesetalis: I work on the development of new chains like #weeds
175 2011-05-15 04:08:00 <sacarlson> Nesetalis: at this time they are just experimental
176 2011-05-15 04:08:03 <Nesetalis> Diablo-D3, bitcoin.org forum seems to be fine for me.
177 2011-05-15 04:08:44 <Diablo-D3> wierd, not for me
178 2011-05-15 04:09:35 <Nesetalis> -eyes projects- bitcoin has been a fun distraction... but i should probably actually do some coding.
179 2011-05-15 04:09:57 <Diablo-D3> heh
180 2011-05-15 04:10:37 <sacarlson> Nesetalis: this exchange http://exchange.surething.biz/  is the experimental weeds exchange
181 2011-05-15 04:11:08 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,mtgox
182 2011-05-15 04:11:08 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":8.81,"low":5.83,"vol":52088,"buy":6.615,"sell":6.7899,"last":6.615}}
183 2011-05-15 04:11:18 <Diablo-D3> we're back to sanity
184 2011-05-15 04:11:29 <Nesetalis> -laughs-
185 2011-05-15 04:11:38 <Nesetalis> very curious sacarlson-
186 2011-05-15 04:11:52 <sacarlson> Diablo-D3: looks totaly unstable from 8.8 to 5.8  wow big diff
187 2011-05-15 04:12:06 <Nesetalis> I blame forbes
188 2011-05-15 04:12:41 <CIA-103> DiabloMiner: Patrick McFarland master * r034a654 / src/main/java/com/diablominer/DiabloMiner/DiabloMiner.java : Fixed debug display - http://bit.ly/lP8Fqt
189 2011-05-15 04:15:19 <_ape> Diablo-D3: ok i'm definitely on 10.11 / 2.1 now and its still using 75% cpu
190 2011-05-15 04:15:36 <Diablo-D3> weird.
191 2011-05-15 04:15:44 <_ape> yeah
192 2011-05-15 04:15:49 <_ape> want me to try updating java?
193 2011-05-15 04:15:58 <_ape> or should i try 11.4
194 2011-05-15 04:16:01 <Diablo-D3> try that and also make sure you're using the absolute newest version of my miner
195 2011-05-15 04:16:08 <_ape> i downloaded it this morning
196 2011-05-15 04:16:19 <Diablo-D3> btw, with 11.4/5/etc
197 2011-05-15 04:16:25 <Diablo-D3> tell it to NOT install the opencl runtime
198 2011-05-15 04:16:26 <_ape> k
199 2011-05-15 04:16:30 <_ape> keep 2.1?
200 2011-05-15 04:16:31 <Diablo-D3> its in the custom config thing
201 2011-05-15 04:16:34 <_ape> yeah ive seen it
202 2011-05-15 04:16:36 <Diablo-D3> and yeah keep 2.1
203 2011-05-15 04:16:38 <_ape> alright
204 2011-05-15 04:16:39 <Diablo-D3> and hope it works
205 2011-05-15 04:16:40 <_ape> ill give it a shot
206 2011-05-15 04:16:47 <Diablo-D3> a lot of users cant get 2.1 to work with 11.x on windows
207 2011-05-15 04:18:30 <_ape> downloading java 6u25 first to see if it has any effect
208 2011-05-15 04:19:52 <_ape> yeah no change
209 2011-05-15 04:25:07 <Diablo-D3> btw, 11.5 IS out
210 2011-05-15 04:25:12 <Diablo-D3> it seems to fix stuff for some users
211 2011-05-15 04:26:28 <_ape> yeah
212 2011-05-15 04:26:30 <_ape> 11.5a is out too
213 2011-05-15 04:26:32 <_ape> hotfix
214 2011-05-15 04:26:34 <_ape> thats what im installing atm
215 2011-05-15 04:26:38 <_ape> sans app sdk
216 2011-05-15 04:27:41 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
217 2011-05-15 04:27:41 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":8.81,"low":5.83,"vol":52112,"buy":6.611,"sell":6.7899,"last":6.6112}}
218 2011-05-15 04:27:54 <gjs278> come back to $8 coins and I swear I will sell you this time
219 2011-05-15 04:27:59 <gjs278> I promise
220 2011-05-15 04:28:01 <gjs278> just take me back
221 2011-05-15 04:28:03 <_ape> i sold at 8.5 yesterday haha
222 2011-05-15 04:28:05 <Diablo-D3> lol
223 2011-05-15 04:28:08 <_ape> dont worry it will be back up monday
224 2011-05-15 04:28:16 <_ape> there is always a rush :X
225 2011-05-15 04:28:17 <gjs278> I saw 8.10 today and decided to wait a bit
226 2011-05-15 04:28:21 <_ape> d'oh
227 2011-05-15 04:28:55 <lfm> itll hit $10
228 2011-05-15 04:28:58 <_ape> yeah
229 2011-05-15 04:29:08 <_ape> i bet as soon as the next difficulty hits its going to shoot up $2 at least
230 2011-05-15 04:30:39 <_ape> man catalyst installer is glacially slow
231 2011-05-15 04:32:04 <_ape> i wonder if these game publishers theyre advertising for paid them to make it go slow as shit
232 2011-05-15 04:33:41 <lfm> _ape: ya, its faster on linux i think, no adds
233 2011-05-15 04:34:22 <_ape> ive never used the linux one
234 2011-05-15 04:34:28 <_ape> i did it all from cmd line last time
235 2011-05-15 04:34:49 <lfm> ya command line installer
236 2011-05-15 04:35:25 <_ape> there, it finally moved
237 2011-05-15 04:36:15 <xelister> _ape: Ati can be spontanuesly slow as shit
238 2011-05-15 04:36:22 <_ape> its done this like the last 3 times i ran it
239 2011-05-15 04:36:24 <_ape> so dunno
240 2011-05-15 04:36:30 <_ape> i do need to reinstall windows but its a pain
241 2011-05-15 04:36:49 <xelister> hehe
242 2011-05-15 04:36:52 <xelister> windows users u so silly
243 2011-05-15 04:37:03 <CIA-103> DiabloMiner: Patrick McFarland master * r8b17ae3 / src/main/java/com/diablominer/DiabloMiner/DiabloMiner.java : Unload compiler to save on memory usage - http://bit.ly/k2Gx0W
244 2011-05-15 04:37:29 <Lido_bitcoin> hiiiiii
245 2011-05-15 04:37:37 <_ape> same cpu use
246 2011-05-15 04:37:41 <_ape> :(
247 2011-05-15 04:37:44 <Lido_bitcoin> anyone have tried compiling spemilo on ubuntu naughty ?
248 2011-05-15 04:37:57 <_ape> lower hash rate too
249 2011-05-15 04:38:24 <Lido_bitcoin> I am having one hell of a time using the main client on ubuntu
250 2011-05-15 04:38:38 <Lido_bitcoin> (11 - natty nawral - Naughty)
251 2011-05-15 04:39:25 <Lido_bitcoin> here is teh error message
252 2011-05-15 04:39:26 <Lido_bitcoin> convert -background none icons/bitcoin32.xpm icons/bitcoin32.png make: convert: Command not found make: *** [icons/bitcoin32.png] Error 127
253 2011-05-15 04:40:09 <sacarlson> Lido_bitcoin: I've only used spesmilo on ubuntu 10.04
254 2011-05-15 04:40:21 <lfm> convert is an imagemagic command
255 2011-05-15 04:40:37 <lfm> try install imagemagic
256 2011-05-15 04:41:11 <Lido_bitcoin> I know it is my fault that i have upgraded .. it run with no GUI .. then after compiling with wxWidgets 2.9 it gives errors when you select other tabs (sent, recieved , sent/recieved)
257 2011-05-15 04:41:27 <Lido_bitcoin> Maverick is the magical word
258 2011-05-15 04:42:41 <sacarlson> Lido_bitcoin: we should make a deb package for spesmilo  I think those guys in #freecoin are working on that
259 2011-05-15 04:43:52 <Lido_bitcoin> I tried teh sudo apt-install for the dependancies but it says packages cant be found
260 2011-05-15 04:44:35 <sacarlson> Lido_bitcoin: for spesmilo?
261 2011-05-15 04:44:59 <Lido_bitcoin> it is really painful .. anyways , i guess someone s working on adding the bitcoin to ubuntu future distos.
262 2011-05-15 04:45:00 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik getblockbycount * r9007e595667f bitcoind-personal/src/rpc.cpp: Add 'getblockbycount' dumping RPC http://tinyurl.com/6h5ecwg
263 2011-05-15 04:45:01 <Lido_bitcoin> yup
264 2011-05-15 04:45:02 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik initblocks * r45d82880eba2 bitcoind-personal/src/ (init.cpp main.cpp main.h util.cpp util.h): add -initblocks=FILE, to import blocks from file in local filesystem http://tinyurl.com/5tt3hyz
265 2011-05-15 04:45:03 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik xlisttransactions * re9efc5b0ccba bitcoind-personal/src/rpc.cpp: xlisttransactions support http://tinyurl.com/5tbdvev
266 2011-05-15 04:45:10 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik dumpblock * r856fae842fab bitcoind-personal/src/rpc.cpp: add "_fulldump"
267 2011-05-15 04:45:13 <lfm> I expect thayr just making the icons with convert, they shouldnt really use it for that in install
268 2011-05-15 04:46:49 <Lido_bitcoin> Now anyone installing bitcoin or spesmilo on ubuntu naught should be searching online for the dependat packages .. compile them then compile the source ... that just do not sound right
269 2011-05-15 04:47:59 <Lido_bitcoin> anyways,
270 2011-05-15 04:48:03 <Lido_bitcoin> nice to meet ya guys
271 2011-05-15 04:48:05 <Lido_bitcoin> see ya
272 2011-05-15 04:48:30 <sacarlson> Lido_bitcoin: virturalbox older ubuntu and run it there
273 2011-05-15 04:57:37 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
274 2011-05-15 04:57:37 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":8.81,"low":5.83,"vol":52040,"buy":6.6111,"sell":6.7879,"last":6.6112}}
275 2011-05-15 05:04:35 <Guest98593> Hi, I'm designing a P2P backup system and BitCoin looks as a very good mechanism for payments. One client would automatically pay by bitcoins to another for having its data backed up for some period of time. My question is: Such an arrangement would probably produce a lot of small transactions. Is it possible that it would cause any trouble to the BitCoin network? For example, could it make the block chain to grow too large?
276 2011-05-15 05:04:57 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik getblockbycount * r073f18baf4bd bitcoind-personal/src/rpc.cpp: Add getblockbyhash RPC
277 2011-05-15 05:05:35 <jgarzik> _finally_ have getblockbyhash
278 2011-05-15 05:08:21 <gjs278> Guest98593 dont worry about that
279 2011-05-15 05:08:24 <io_error> Guest98593: You might end up paying a lot of transaction fees
280 2011-05-15 05:08:27 <gjs278> make our blockchain gigantic
281 2011-05-15 05:12:06 <io_error> Speaking of tx fees, it was reduced in a recent patch, right?
282 2011-05-15 05:12:45 <gmaxwell> Guest98593: bitcoin isn't really a micropayment system. It's more micro than many other things, but it currently wouldn't be great for sending lots of tiny payments between people.
283 2011-05-15 05:12:58 <Guest98593> io_error: You're right, I didn't consider that.
284 2011-05-15 05:13:54 <gmaxwell> Guest98593: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=7219.0  < perhaps use this to create a kind of side-car currency where bitcoin is the basis of value.
285 2011-05-15 05:13:55 <io_error> Guest98593: Right now I think it may work better if you store all the BTC and then settle when people want to get paid, either manually or automatically (e.g. pay me when I accumulate 10 BTC)
286 2011-05-15 05:14:30 <gmaxwell> e.g. you do one TX to transfer a bitcoin into a distributed backup-coin. And then do your microtransaction stuff seperately then settle the bitcoin.
287 2011-05-15 05:15:21 <io_error> That's similar to how mining pools handle payments
288 2011-05-15 05:15:46 <gmaxwell> io_error: witcoin does the internal transfer thing for doing micro-transactions.
289 2011-05-15 05:16:24 <io_error> I'd be interested in renting out my hard drive space
290 2011-05-15 05:17:13 <gmaxwell> The problem with what witcoin does is that it requires a trusted central authority to hold the coin and make the market. Works fine when there must be a central authority to run the webpage.
291 2011-05-15 05:17:19 <gmaxwell> Might not work as nicely for backup software.
292 2011-05-15 05:17:37 <Guest98593> I see. Honestly, part of my motivation of using bitcoin was that I wouldn't have to solve the micropayments. I hoped that clients would trade their space using bitcoin according to the actual supply and demand.
293 2011-05-15 05:18:08 <Guest98593> I want the system to be completely decentralized, no central authority.
294 2011-05-15 05:18:17 <io_error> You have a lot of code to write :)
295 2011-05-15 05:18:23 <gmaxwell> Guest98593: e.g. in witcoin's case 1 witcoin = 1 bitcoin and you can fluidly take money in and out of the system at any time.
296 2011-05-15 05:19:24 <Guest98593> io_error: That's sure :)
297 2011-05-15 05:19:35 <Guest98593> And renting out hardrive space, that's just the idea.
298 2011-05-15 05:20:02 <Guest98593> If I rent more space than I require from the network, I make coins. If I use more space than I offer, I must pay.
299 2011-05-15 05:20:11 <gmaxwell> yea, it sounds like a grand one.
300 2011-05-15 05:21:01 <Guest98593> It is much cheaper to store data on someone's free space on other side of the world than to pay for expensive backup solutions.
301 2011-05-15 05:21:20 <gmaxwell> but also one that would create a ton of infinitesmal transactions that no one would really care about.
302 2011-05-15 05:21:58 <Guest98593> gmaxwell: Yes, that is the problem I was concerned about.
303 2011-05-15 05:22:18 <Guest98593> Probably having a separate currency that could be bought/sold using bitcoins would be a better idea.
304 2011-05-15 05:23:47 <sacarlson> in this mingw envirnment created with  Windows Build Archive  how do I do a make clean?
305 2011-05-15 05:23:53 <gmaxwell> I linked to a forum post about how you can actually create secondary block-chain commodities tied to the bitcoin blockchain. The idea was for doing things like domain names, but I don't see way special microcurrencies couldn't be handled that way too... other than the fact that I don't know how to handle getting currency across the boundary. ;)
306 2011-05-15 05:24:50 <Guest98593> gmaxwell: Thanks, I'm already studying it.
307 2011-05-15 05:25:55 <sacarlson> Guest98593: as my experimental #weeds currency is being setup
308 2011-05-15 05:26:33 <gmaxwell> I know how you could get BC into it.. You create some kind of escrow transaction. I just don't know how to get it out..
309 2011-05-15 05:26:58 <Guest98593> At first, I thought that the client will get some kind of credit for backing up others' data. But I didn't know how to distributively maintain the credit, without any central authority. And BitCoin (or a similar currency) looks like a good solution.
310 2011-05-15 05:27:09 <sacarlson> Guest98593: no I use an exchange http://exchange.surething.biz/
311 2011-05-15 05:27:27 <sacarlson> Guest98593: but I'm working on p2p escrow also
312 2011-05-15 05:28:11 <sacarlson> opp I guess that was for gmaxwell above
313 2011-05-15 05:28:56 <sacarlson> so no one here uses mingw?
314 2011-05-15 05:30:29 <io_error> I don't use Windows if I can possibly avoid it.
315 2011-05-15 05:30:47 <sacarlson> io_error: nor I that's why I'm so ignorant
316 2011-05-15 05:31:00 <sacarlson> >>>>linux dude<<<
317 2011-05-15 05:31:12 <Diablo-D3> heh
318 2011-05-15 05:31:31 <io_error> I've used cygwin before, but if I were going to really build a real windoze app, I'd just break out Visual Stupido
319 2011-05-15 05:32:28 <sacarlson> io_error: this mingw package is created with all the dependancies needed I'm just missing one command to do a make clean to test a compile with it
320 2011-05-15 05:33:24 <Guest98593> gmaxwell: If there were more currencies like bitcoin, like my "backupcoin", it might be interesting to have some kind of "coin exchange" mechanism for trading different kinds of coins based on their market value.
321 2011-05-15 05:33:24 <sacarlson> maybe no such thing in mingw ?
322 2011-05-15 05:34:01 <sacarlson> Guest98593: my exchange can be setup to trade unlimited number of coins
323 2011-05-15 05:34:44 <sacarlson> Guest98593: at present it only trades BTC, USD, THB (thai bhat), and WEEDS
324 2011-05-15 05:35:58 <gmaxwell> Guest98593: there are different advantages/disadvantages to having the value of your currency float.
325 2011-05-15 05:36:31 <gmaxwell> Guest98593: an advantage is that your currency could simply be units of diskspace, and then people could decide the market value at the currency boundary.
326 2011-05-15 05:39:29 <sacarlson> gmaxwell: #weeds is based on the value of "One can of Leo Beer purchased at a 7-11 in Thailand"
327 2011-05-15 05:39:37 <Guest98593> gmaxwell: So do you think that it is possible having a separate currency whose value is fixed to bitcoin?
328 2011-05-15 05:40:39 <sacarlson> gmaxwell: so #weeds will always follow inflation at the rate of beer prices
329 2011-05-15 05:41:05 <wumpus> haha, a currency based on the price of beer, I like it :p
330 2011-05-15 05:46:20 <Guest98593> gmaxwell: Maybe I understand now: Having a fixed value would require that the amount of disk space that can be bought by 1 backupcoin varies. Having a floating value means that i could set 1 backupcoin = 1GB and let the market define the value of 1 backupcoin in bitcoins.
331 2011-05-15 05:51:03 <gmaxwell> Guest98593: right.
332 2011-05-15 05:52:33 <gmaxwell> problem is that most people don't want to be currency traders just to do backups. Sounds tricky to get started.
333 2011-05-15 06:03:03 <Guest98593> gmaxwell: You're right, that's tricky. But I suppose this could work this way: The clients would (perhaps automatically) mine backupcoins. At the beginning, this would create enough backupcoins to trade, just like it is with bitcoins. And a newcommer would just offer his/her diskspace for a while and this way accumulate enouch backupcoin credit to start backing up own data.
334 2011-05-15 06:04:40 <Guest98593> Perhaps the value of backupcoins would have to float with respect to the available disk space too. Naively, the total number of existing backupcoins would correspond to the total amount of disk space available at a given time.
335 2011-05-15 06:05:34 <gmaxwell> Your project now exceedes my available processor cycles. ;) I wish you luck, and I hope to hear about it if you get anything figured out.
336 2011-05-15 06:07:13 <Guest98593> gmaxwell: Thanks. As always, spare time is of concern, but I hope to manage to figure something out.
337 2011-05-15 06:14:38 <kreal-> with pushpool anyway to see when a block is found ?
338 2011-05-15 06:18:47 <kreal-> just wondering
339 2011-05-15 06:31:57 <comboy> why doesn't bitcoin linux client have these libpng libjpeg statically linked? I don't want to downgrade libpng on my system just for bitcoin and I'd like to use binary
340 2011-05-15 06:33:29 <gmaxwell> comboy: statically liking those libraries is a security disaster. So some (many?) distros don't even ship the static versions of them. Thus doing a static build with them would be hard.
341 2011-05-15 06:33:46 <gmaxwell> (I dunno if thats the actual rationale for the development team here, however)
342 2011-05-15 06:33:55 <io_error> gawd, looking at their web page, it seems libpng has been one security disaster after another
343 2011-05-15 06:34:11 <comboy> statically, security disaster? why?
344 2011-05-15 06:34:21 <io_error> Because you can't update it
345 2011-05-15 06:34:33 <gmaxwell> comboy: because someone finds a libpng exploit and then they exploit apps one by one.
346 2011-05-15 06:34:41 <wumpus> bitcoin doesn't accept pngs and jpegs from the network, so it's hardly a security disaster
347 2011-05-15 06:34:47 <gmaxwell> And if there are a hundred copies on the system.. ugh
348 2011-05-15 06:34:59 <wumpus> it only usese the few image (icons and such) in the distrib itself
349 2011-05-15 06:35:04 <gmaxwell> wumpus: I was giving a reason why the distros make it hard to statically link them.
350 2011-05-15 06:35:16 <wumpus> lol I already thought wtf
351 2011-05-15 06:35:42 <wumpus> people are integrating the weirdest things into bitcoin, maybe someone did an image viewer :')
352 2011-05-15 06:36:00 <comboy> lol
353 2011-05-15 06:36:17 <Fnar> libjpeg was static in 0.3.20.2, my guess was it was just a compilation oversight
354 2011-05-15 06:36:31 <gmaxwell> heh block steganography.
355 2011-05-15 06:36:37 <wumpus> real-time viewing of images steganographically encoded into the block chain
356 2011-05-15 06:36:39 <wumpus> indeed
357 2011-05-15 06:37:15 <comboy> not sure I agree with this security enchancement by not linking statically, but anyway thanks for info
358 2011-05-15 06:38:01 <gmaxwell> meh. I think I caused confusion. Sorry.
359 2011-05-15 06:38:08 <io_error> comboy: What distribution do you have?!
360 2011-05-15 06:38:35 <comboy> io_error: gentoo, and yes, I wanted to use a binary package :>
361 2011-05-15 06:38:42 <io_error> comboy: ROFL
362 2011-05-15 06:38:46 <Fnar> The dynamic links are against old versions anyway, so it seems not to solve anything
363 2011-05-15 06:39:07 <io_error> comboy: You signed up to compile everything, what's one more package?
364 2011-05-15 06:39:12 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
365 2011-05-15 06:39:24 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":8.81,"low":5.83,"vol":49033,"buy":6.6531,"sell":6.757,"last":6.7573}}
366 2011-05-15 06:40:04 <comboy> io_error: it depends on some version of wxGTK that only cause pain to me
367 2011-05-15 06:40:16 <io_error> comboy: Oh, and all the rest of us too
368 2011-05-15 06:40:20 <gmaxwell> oh, I was expecting "but then I'd have to compile boost"
369 2011-05-15 06:40:48 <Fnar> I just held my nose and did emerge =media-libs/jpeg-6b-r9
370 2011-05-15 06:40:48 <wumpus> but heh you'd have a hard time finding a linux system that doesn't have libpng/libjpeg installed as dynamic library
371 2011-05-15 06:40:50 <sacarlson> ok I'm almost there with the problem that the makfile.mingw clean errors due to there is no del command found  so these lines  with -del /Q obj*  needs to be changed  or ?
372 2011-05-15 06:42:34 <sacarlson> I really suck at windows
373 2011-05-15 06:43:25 <io_error> Windows really sucks, so you're not doing anything wrong
374 2011-05-15 06:44:05 <sacarlson> io_error: well this my first and now I think my last windows attempt
375 2011-05-15 06:44:40 <kreal-> can you somehow set memory speed of a 5870 in windows lock in and have it run in ubuntu?
376 2011-05-15 06:44:54 <kreal-> because i simply cannot get amdoverdrivectrl to work.
377 2011-05-15 06:51:52 <kreal-> guess not
378 2011-05-15 06:52:24 <gmaxwell> 01:44 < kreal-> because i simply cannot get amdoverdrivectrl to work.
379 2011-05-15 06:52:26 <gmaxwell> why not?
380 2011-05-15 06:53:05 <kreal-> seq fault
381 2011-05-15 06:53:42 <gmaxwell> kreal-: do you have a display enviroment variable set? (e.g. are you running it under X?)
382 2011-05-15 06:53:47 <kreal-> yes
383 2011-05-15 06:53:54 <gmaxwell> Does it throw out any errors before it dies?
384 2011-05-15 06:53:57 <kreal-> no
385 2011-05-15 06:54:05 <kreal-> INF: Nr. of Performance Levels: 3
386 2011-05-15 06:54:06 <kreal-> Segmentation fault
387 2011-05-15 06:54:09 <gmaxwell> Have you tried building a new copy yourself?
388 2011-05-15 06:54:10 <kreal-> last two lines
389 2011-05-15 06:54:18 <kreal-> tryed building them all.
390 2011-05-15 06:54:32 <kreal-> and trying all debs packages.
391 2011-05-15 06:54:39 <gmaxwell> run it in gdb and get a backtrace?
392 2011-05-15 06:54:50 <kreal-> sec
393 2011-05-15 06:55:17 <kreal-> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
394 2011-05-15 06:55:18 <kreal-> 0x0000000000411937 in ?? ()
395 2011-05-15 06:55:35 <kreal-> doesnt make sense to me.
396 2011-05-15 06:55:39 <gmaxwell> Needs to be compiled with debugging symbols (-g) to get useful output.
397 2011-05-15 06:58:15 <gmaxwell> if you can build it okay you could use my hacked up copy that only sets the clocks and exits
398 2011-05-15 06:58:22 <gmaxwell> (doesn't fire up the GUI)
399 2011-05-15 06:58:32 <kreal-> trying with the debugging symbols now
400 2011-05-15 06:58:39 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
401 2011-05-15 06:58:40 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":8.81,"low":5.83,"vol":49000,"buy":6.653,"sell":6.757,"last":6.653}}
402 2011-05-15 06:58:59 <kreal-> oh well
403 2011-05-15 06:59:08 <kreal-> i would like to try your version.
404 2011-05-15 06:59:49 <kreal-> have an .ovdr already to gol
405 2011-05-15 07:01:09 <gmaxwell> oh you even have a config file? hmph. did you try just feeding it that on the commandline? if that dies too, then I doubt my hacked up copy will help you.
406 2011-05-15 07:05:11 <sipa> how are you invoking it?
407 2011-05-15 07:20:27 <sipa> BlueMatt: i'm wondering how many times we'll hear "oh damn, i forgot my password anyway, is there *really* no way to reset it :("
408 2011-05-15 07:21:31 <gjs278> the secret backdoor
409 2011-05-15 07:21:43 <gjs278> also the password is optional right
410 2011-05-15 07:21:58 <gjs278> because I'm not using one
411 2011-05-15 07:22:08 <gjs278> well not going to
412 2011-05-15 07:38:55 <BlueMatt> sipa: oh, Im sure it will happen all the time, but that doesnt mean we should weaken the crypto...
413 2011-05-15 07:39:09 <BlueMatt> its clear on the dialog, "NO ONE CAN GET YOUR BITCOINS BACK"
414 2011-05-15 07:40:35 <sipa> yeah
415 2011-05-15 07:55:46 <quup> how does the main client generally handle getting a bunch of parallel json-rpc requests?
416 2011-05-15 08:02:06 <quup> anyone used this? https://github.com/toomanysecrets0/bitcoin-python any issues I should know about in that case?
417 2011-05-15 08:19:55 <sacarlson> bluematt: how do I setup your Windows Build Archive when I install it on drive d: instead of c: ?
418 2011-05-15 08:20:07 <sipa> jgarzik: what do think about pull 225?
419 2011-05-15 08:20:41 <sacarlson> BlueMatt I used this link to install but didn't have space on drive c: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4750.0
420 2011-05-15 08:22:10 <sacarlson> BlueMatt I"m getting errors not finding the command g++ so I guess it needs some kind of path changes
421 2011-05-15 08:23:51 <sacarlson> BlueMatt I edited the makefile.mingw  to change C: to D: but I guess the msys needs some fstab changes or something
422 2011-05-15 08:38:11 <quup> is there any python bitcoin json client that can handle ssl?
423 2011-05-15 08:38:26 <sipa> a web browser? :p
424 2011-05-15 08:38:31 <sipa> no, not really
425 2011-05-15 08:43:16 <sacarlson> BlueMatt: I seemed to have fixed my own problem with the mount command in msys  I had just mistyped a case so I'm back in biz  thanks for the post above
426 2011-05-15 09:08:02 <sipa> quup: spesmilo maybe?
427 2011-05-15 09:12:18 <UukGoblin> my bitcoin 0.3.19 died:
428 2011-05-15 09:12:19 <UukGoblin> EXCEPTION: 22DbRunRecoveryException
429 2011-05-15 09:12:22 <UukGoblin> bitcoin in ThreadIRCSeed()
430 2011-05-15 09:17:31 <Landrae> noob bit coin question
431 2011-05-15 09:19:09 <quup> sipa: I want a library
432 2011-05-15 09:20:03 <Landrae> noob bit coin question. I set up my batch file for mining and when i go to open it a window opens briefly then abrutly closes
433 2011-05-15 09:20:07 <Landrae> any idea what im doing wrong
434 2011-05-15 09:21:23 <quup> anyone had similar ssl problems? http://pastebin.com/mbk8S3Jk
435 2011-05-15 09:23:13 <quup> >.< turns out I had -rpcssl=1 and not -rpcssl=true
436 2011-05-15 09:39:38 <sacarlson> UukGoblin: might try delete (backup some place) all your files in ~.bitcoin but NOT the wallet.dat file and run again see what that does
437 2011-05-15 09:40:03 <UukGoblin> restarting bitcoind seems to have helped
438 2011-05-15 09:40:22 <sacarlson> UukGoblin: oh so it was a one time thing
439 2011-05-15 09:40:32 <UukGoblin> it seems so
440 2011-05-15 09:57:30 <quup> when I run bitcoin it often just stops responding to json requests
441 2011-05-15 09:57:37 <quup> can I do something about that?
442 2011-05-15 09:58:38 <quup> or should I just not use json and instead run bitcoind locally and just do popen each request I want?
443 2011-05-15 09:59:46 <luke-jr> quup: or just use Spesmilo ;)
444 2011-05-15 09:59:55 <quup> luke-jr: does it have json?
445 2011-05-15 10:00:00 <quup> or some sort of remote operating
446 2011-05-15 10:00:04 <luke-jr> it talks to bitcoind
447 2011-05-15 10:00:34 <quup> well I don't want a gui, just something i can use as a bockend
448 2011-05-15 10:00:36 <quup> *back
449 2011-05-15 10:01:40 <quup> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4904.0 that's just the bug I'm having
450 2011-05-15 10:02:27 <Clarence> sacarlson: I get an error message trying to deposit bitcoins at your exchange
451 2011-05-15 10:21:47 <quup> if I build with: make -f makefile.unix will I get both bitcoin and bitcoind? (I want both)
452 2011-05-15 10:22:04 <sipa> no
453 2011-05-15 10:22:14 <sipa> you'll need make -f makefile.unix bitcoin bitcoind
454 2011-05-15 10:22:26 <quup> ah, thanks!
455 2011-05-15 10:26:09 <BlueMatt> sacarlson: yea, there should also be a /etc/fstab somewhere in msys that you can use
456 2011-05-15 10:26:51 <Strom> can I safely delete the debug.log file?
457 2011-05-15 10:27:00 <Strom> it's taking 1GB of space
458 2011-05-15 10:27:06 <Strom> seems kind of a waste to me
459 2011-05-15 10:27:07 <sipa> yes
460 2011-05-15 10:27:14 <Diablo-D3> Strom: go ahead
461 2011-05-15 10:27:26 <eps1> none of us will get upset if you do
462 2011-05-15 10:27:44 <Strom> eps1, well you probably won't get upset if I delete my wallet aswell
463 2011-05-15 10:27:44 <subpar> 1gb'
464 2011-05-15 10:27:47 <subpar> wow
465 2011-05-15 10:28:37 <BlueMatt> sipa: its a msys thing, not ms win
466 2011-05-15 10:28:53 <sipa> i have to admit i have no idea what that is :)
467 2011-05-15 10:28:55 <sipa> *googles*
468 2011-05-15 10:29:05 <BlueMatt> mingw minimal system
469 2011-05-15 10:29:15 <BlueMatt> bash and such
470 2011-05-15 10:29:25 <sipa> isee
471 2011-05-15 10:40:45 <BlueMatt> who was the one who was looking at pulling out of headers.h and into local headers?
472 2011-05-15 10:40:54 <BlueMatt> is it laanwj?
473 2011-05-15 10:45:15 <sipa> someone mentioned it yesterday on IRC - can't remember who
474 2011-05-15 10:45:31 <sipa> not sure if that's the same person as the laanwj on github
475 2011-05-15 10:48:56 <phuzion> Say I wanted to develop some software that would automatically accept bitcoins and do certain things based on how much it has.  Is there any way to test this without actually using bitcoins?  I don't have much to spend right now, and would prefer to not lose anything to transaction fees.
476 2011-05-15 10:49:47 <sipa> there is a testnet
477 2011-05-15 10:49:48 <BlueMatt> phuzion: testnet
478 2011-05-15 10:50:13 <phuzion> awesome, thats what I figured.  thanks
479 2011-05-15 11:01:21 <quup> how can I prevent the bitcoind from locking? http://pastebin.com/TQX22BdS
480 2011-05-15 11:02:03 <sipa> which version?
481 2011-05-15 11:02:08 <quup> just pulled git now
482 2011-05-15 11:02:18 <quup> also tried wih 0.3.19
483 2011-05-15 11:02:32 <sipa> 0.3.21 contains some deadlock fixes
484 2011-05-15 11:03:00 <BlueMatt> but those are in git
485 2011-05-15 11:03:03 <sipa> indeed
486 2011-05-15 11:05:53 <sacarlson> Clarence: I hope your depositing testnet coins not real btc,  it's in test mode only testnet funding will work
487 2011-05-15 11:06:14 <quup> would you like some debug output? if so what should I do to get it?
488 2011-05-15 11:06:41 <BlueMatt> quup: maybe look at the end of debug.log...but Ive never seen that in recent version...
489 2011-05-15 11:06:47 <BlueMatt> is it a new wallet or an existing one?
490 2011-05-15 11:06:56 <BlueMatt> ie is it the first run?
491 2011-05-15 11:07:35 <quup> first run, i'll remove the testnet dir and try again
492 2011-05-15 11:08:01 <BlueMatt> sipa: do you want access to my jenkins bitcoin builder to manually test stuff?
493 2011-05-15 11:08:06 <da2ce7> question: do we implement the 'generic transport layer' into the official bitcoin or bitcoinj first?  Please put your comments to #BtcFn (the Bitcoin Freenet project)
494 2011-05-15 11:08:13 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: ^
495 2011-05-15 11:09:50 <sipa> BlueMatt: can it build mingw as well?
496 2011-05-15 11:09:53 <sacarlson> BlueMatt thanks I figured that fstab thing or a work around but now I'm having problems with git in msys  with permision denied (public key) I havn't figured that out yet
497 2011-05-15 11:10:04 <BlueMatt> sipa: yea, it builds mingw+linux
498 2011-05-15 11:10:11 <quup> BlueMatt: debug.log just says ThreadRPCServer method=getaccountaddress
499 2011-05-15 11:10:16 <quup> when the event happens
500 2011-05-15 11:10:22 <BlueMatt> quup: yea, thats what I was afraid of
501 2011-05-15 11:10:40 <quup> any verbose flag i can put on that'd make a difference?
502 2011-05-15 11:10:49 <BlueMatt> sipa: though viewing build output etc is public, I just wondered if you want to be able to trigger build and such yourself
503 2011-05-15 11:12:03 <sipa> and what does it build?
504 2011-05-15 11:12:08 <BlueMatt> bitcoin
505 2011-05-15 11:12:34 <BlueMatt> Im gonna hopefully add some basic build sanity tests as well
506 2011-05-15 11:12:43 <BlueMatt> http://www.bluematt.me/jenkins/
507 2011-05-15 11:12:44 <sipa> git master, or anything requested?
508 2011-05-15 11:12:46 <quup> it still handles other stuff, it seems just rpc part is frozen
509 2011-05-15 11:13:03 <BlueMatt> git master currently, but if you have access you could set it to build one of your repos
510 2011-05-15 11:13:22 <BlueMatt> quup: no, the verbose flag really doesnt do much sadly
511 2011-05-15 11:13:37 <sipa> quup: sounds like a deadlock...
512 2011-05-15 11:13:58 <quup> BlueMatt: so I"m out of luck for now? or is there some workaroud I can use? was hoping to put this into production
513 2011-05-15 11:14:17 <sipa> it's reproducible?
514 2011-05-15 11:14:20 <quup> yes
515 2011-05-15 11:14:21 <quup> every time
516 2011-05-15 11:14:54 <BlueMatt> quup: hm, well mine doesnt appear to have that problem, but let me go check
517 2011-05-15 11:16:38 <sipa> quup: does bitcoind jump to 100% cpu usage?
518 2011-05-15 11:16:59 <quup> sipa: n,o <1%
519 2011-05-15 11:17:03 <quup> *no
520 2011-05-15 11:19:46 <BlueMatt> quup: hm, well i cant reproduce, got some more info on your environment?
521 2011-05-15 11:20:45 <quup> BlueMatt: server is ubuntu 10.10, amd64, bitcoin just built from git pulled few hours ago, same problem with 0.3.19, trying on testnet
522 2011-05-15 11:20:59 <quup> I disabled upnp when building
523 2011-05-15 11:21:16 <BlueMatt> my environment almost exactly
524 2011-05-15 11:21:34 <quup> (0.3.19 I didn't build, was from a ppa)
525 2011-05-15 11:22:15 <quup> BlueMatt: did you provide non-existant account?
526 2011-05-15 11:22:21 <quup> as argument that is
527 2011-05-15 11:22:23 <BlueMatt> yea
528 2011-05-15 11:22:51 <BlueMatt> oh wait, no now Ive got it
529 2011-05-15 11:23:04 <BlueMatt> alright lets take a look
530 2011-05-15 11:33:35 <da2ce7> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=8379.0
531 2011-05-15 11:34:15 <da2ce7> ^ Bitcoin Transport Layer API discussion
532 2011-05-15 11:42:44 <BlueMatt> quup sipa: rpc.cpp getaccountaddress locks main+mapWallet, calls GetAccountAddres, calls GetKeyFromKeyPool calls ReserveKeyFromKeyPool tries to lock main, mapWallet, setKeyPool locking rpc process
533 2011-05-15 11:43:33 <sipa> that doesn't make sense
534 2011-05-15 11:43:43 <BlueMatt> how so?
535 2011-05-15 11:43:48 <sipa> if main and mapWallet are already locked, they won't be locked again
536 2011-05-15 11:43:55 <sipa> and it's all in the same process
537 2011-05-15 11:44:09 <BlueMatt> well in any case it locks right there and dies
538 2011-05-15 11:44:32 <sipa> which processes are you talking about?
539 2011-05-15 11:44:36 <BlueMatt> rpc
540 2011-05-15 11:44:40 <sipa> i'd think only the rpc process is involved here?
541 2011-05-15 11:45:05 <BlueMatt> Id think so too, but for some reason it dies, probably tries to call something in some db something or other, but thats not a process is it?
542 2011-05-15 11:45:17 <sipa> you don't call a process, you fork one
543 2011-05-15 11:45:25 <quup> BlueMatt: nice work! :D
544 2011-05-15 11:45:31 <sipa> every function call you invoke just runs in the same process
545 2011-05-15 11:45:44 <sipa> andd if the rpc process deadlocks while trying to take a lock on X, it means some other process already has a lock on it
546 2011-05-15 11:45:45 <BlueMatt> yea, you know what I meant
547 2011-05-15 11:46:28 <BlueMatt> sipa: the rpc process tries to get a lock on main + mapWallet twice is the problem
548 2011-05-15 11:46:33 <sipa> no it's not
549 2011-05-15 11:46:38 <BlueMatt> ?
550 2011-05-15 11:46:48 <sipa> you're perfectly allowed to lock one cs more than once
551 2011-05-15 11:46:56 <sipa> just not from within more than one process
552 2011-05-15 11:47:05 <BlueMatt> yea thought so, but why does it die
553 2011-05-15 11:47:17 <sipa> because some other process must have a lock on it already
554 2011-05-15 11:48:01 <BlueMatt> who sits on a main + mapWallet all day, I dont see how it does
555 2011-05-15 11:48:41 <sipa> is died in setKeyPool?
556 2011-05-15 11:48:56 <BlueMatt> GetKeyFromKeyPool
557 2011-05-15 12:01:29 <BlueMatt> hm, odd its locking up in in pdb-> put db.h:105
558 2011-05-15 12:01:57 <BlueMatt> some bdb lock?
559 2011-05-15 12:02:01 <BlueMatt> sipa: ^
560 2011-05-15 12:02:35 <forrestv> if a transaction has multiple inputs with the same scriptSig, are they combined to reduce space?
561 2011-05-15 12:03:05 <sipa> forrestv: no
562 2011-05-15 12:03:49 <forrestv> i see that the signature would be different between inputs ... but why couldn't/isn't the public key combined?
563 2011-05-15 12:05:28 <sipa> that's one of the design flaws of bitcoin imho - transactions should have some dedicated signature space (which is not hashed), and scripts should refer to positions within this signature space
564 2011-05-15 12:05:57 <sipa> instead of being hacked together in the binary format, removing things from the resulting bytesting that cannot be known in advance
565 2011-05-15 12:06:36 <sipa> then multiple scriptPubKeys could also reuse the same key
566 2011-05-15 12:06:38 <sipa> and sig
567 2011-05-15 12:11:16 <sipa> BlueMatt: about your comment on the -port patch, does that delay rule still exist?
568 2011-05-15 12:11:50 <sipa> nvm
569 2011-05-15 12:12:23 <roconnor> The input of a transaction can be the output of another transaction in the same block?
570 2011-05-15 12:12:32 <ArtForz> yes
571 2011-05-15 12:12:41 <roconnor> ugh
572 2011-05-15 12:12:57 <jrmithdobbs> it's how luke-jr does his fun autopayout stuff
573 2011-05-15 12:13:02 <jrmithdobbs> p cool
574 2011-05-15 12:13:05 <roconnor> validating blocks is tricky
575 2011-05-15 12:13:26 <jrmithdobbs> roconnor: so not only can it be, there are casses in the wild of it being done ;P
576 2011-05-15 12:13:39 <roconnor> ya, I see it on the testnet
577 2011-05-15 12:14:33 <roconnor> think I can make a block with a pair of transactions that each pass a bitcoin to each other?
578 2011-05-15 12:14:51 <sipa> no
579 2011-05-15 12:14:55 <sipa> they must be ordered
580 2011-05-15 12:15:03 <roconnor> lame restriction
581 2011-05-15 12:15:08 <sipa> definitely not
582 2011-05-15 12:15:14 <roconnor> why not?
583 2011-05-15 12:15:29 <roconnor> do the transactions have to be ordered in the order that they are listed?
584 2011-05-15 12:15:43 <sipa> the block chain is just a way of ordering transactions
585 2011-05-15 12:15:51 <sipa> and the order is necessary to detect double spends
586 2011-05-15 12:15:53 <jrmithdobbs> ordered by definition basically
587 2011-05-15 12:16:12 <roconnor> sipa: I mean, are the transactions ordered within a block?
588 2011-05-15 12:16:19 <sipa> yes, of course
589 2011-05-15 12:16:22 <roconnor> in the order that they are in the block?
590 2011-05-15 12:16:25 <sipa> yes
591 2011-05-15 12:16:26 <ArtForz> yea
592 2011-05-15 12:16:35 <sipa> blocks are ordered pieces of transactions
593 2011-05-15 12:16:49 <roconnor> so I can only spend a coin that occurs in a previous block or in the same block before this transaction?
594 2011-05-15 12:16:50 <sipa> and the block chain forms the authorative order transactions are to be executed
595 2011-05-15 12:16:55 <sipa> exactly
596 2011-05-15 12:16:57 <ArtForz> yep
597 2011-05-15 12:17:19 <roconnor> I can spend the coinbase I just minted in the same block I minted it?
598 2011-05-15 12:17:24 <ArtForz> nope
599 2011-05-15 12:17:24 <sipa> no
600 2011-05-15 12:17:29 <sipa> it needs to be matured first
601 2011-05-15 12:17:38 <ArtForz> coinbases need 100 block to mature before they can be spent
602 2011-05-15 12:17:43 <sipa> which takes 100 blocks (though the client only lets you spend it after 120)
603 2011-05-15 12:17:56 <roconnor> sometimes this feels like the most obtuse protocol ever.
604 2011-05-15 12:18:06 <sipa> why?
605 2011-05-15 12:18:19 <sipa> spending a just generated coin would be very very dangerous to the network
606 2011-05-15 12:18:21 <ArtForz> it's the only way to prevent invalid normal tx on short chain splits
607 2011-05-15 12:18:47 <roconnor> sipa: so I can only spend a coin that occurs in a previous block or in the same block before this transaction unless i'm spending a coinbase coin in which case that coinbase coin has to be 100 blocks back at least.
608 2011-05-15 12:18:57 <sipa> exactly
609 2011-05-15 12:18:58 <ArtForz> yep
610 2011-05-15 12:18:58 <roconnor> sipa: obtuse enough for you ;)
611 2011-05-15 12:19:06 <ArtForz> thats rather simple
612 2011-05-15 12:19:13 <roconnor> who knows if I have all the conditions yet :D
613 2011-05-15 12:19:29 <sipa> those are the only conditions i know of
614 2011-05-15 12:19:34 <sipa> the clients enforces a few others
615 2011-05-15 12:19:39 <roconnor> ArtForz: everytime the word "unless" occurs in a specification it becomes more complex.
616 2011-05-15 12:19:50 <sipa> yes, but it is most definitely necessary
617 2011-05-15 12:20:02 <roconnor> why is the 100 coin rule necessary?
618 2011-05-15 12:20:04 <Diablo-D3> goddamnit
619 2011-05-15 12:20:05 <roconnor> er 100 block rule
620 2011-05-15 12:20:08 <Diablo-D3> how do I use pheonix again
621 2011-05-15 12:20:11 <sipa> if i could spend a coin i just minted
622 2011-05-15 12:20:14 <sipa> and send it to you
623 2011-05-15 12:20:19 <sipa> and you buy bread with it
624 2011-05-15 12:20:22 <sipa> and ...
625 2011-05-15 12:20:28 <sipa> and then a chain reorg happens
626 2011-05-15 12:20:34 <sipa> the coin does not exist anymore
627 2011-05-15 12:20:38 <roconnor> sipa: but minted coints are not special in this regard
628 2011-05-15 12:20:44 <ArtForz> yes they are
629 2011-05-15 12:20:44 <sipa> they are
630 2011-05-15 12:20:55 <sipa> minted coins disappear in a reorg
631 2011-05-15 12:21:00 <roconnor> ah
632 2011-05-15 12:21:00 <sipa> normal txouts don't
633 2011-05-15 12:21:10 <sipa> they are just moved to the other chain
634 2011-05-15 12:21:12 <roconnor> fair observation
635 2011-05-15 12:21:14 <roconnor> ok
636 2011-05-15 12:21:47 <sipa> there are really few things satoshi didn't consider when designing the protocol
637 2011-05-15 12:21:55 <sipa> ... the implementation is something else
638 2011-05-15 12:21:59 <jrmithdobbs> heh
639 2011-05-15 12:22:39 <jrmithdobbs> ya the only "flaws" revolve around pools being able to scam, but that's your run of the mill con game situation that uses bitcoin, not an issue with bitcoin
640 2011-05-15 12:22:48 <jrmithdobbs> but "pools" weren't really considered during the design
641 2011-05-15 12:22:50 <roconnor> sipa: what harm would come to having transactions unordered within a block?
642 2011-05-15 12:23:12 <sipa> roconnor: ok, imagine two transactions that consume eachother
643 2011-05-15 12:23:16 <sipa> does that make any sense?
644 2011-05-15 12:23:20 <roconnor> yes
645 2011-05-15 12:23:22 <sipa> would you allow it?
646 2011-05-15 12:23:24 <roconnor> sure
647 2011-05-15 12:23:31 <sipa> give me a use case
648 2011-05-15 12:23:32 <roconnor> I kinda plan on it :D
649 2011-05-15 12:23:38 <roconnor> there is no use case
650 2011-05-15 12:23:45 <roconnor> is just simplified the code
651 2011-05-15 12:23:50 <roconnor> *simplfies
652 2011-05-15 12:23:54 <roconnor> one less thing to check
653 2011-05-15 12:24:07 <sipa> i don't see the problem
654 2011-05-15 12:24:09 <ArtForz> huh?
655 2011-05-15 12:24:28 <sipa> just pass over all tx's, and one by one check whether they are valid, and then mark the coins they used spent
656 2011-05-15 12:24:33 <ArtForz> so instead of being able to simply check tx in-order, you now have to build a depndency tree, yeah, totally makes things easier
657 2011-05-15 12:24:50 <roconnor> sipa: I can't check the validity of the coinbase without checking the other transactions first.
658 2011-05-15 12:25:02 <ArtForz> sure you can
659 2011-05-15 12:25:07 <roconnor> how?
660 2011-05-15 12:26:01 <sipa> i see your problem
661 2011-05-15 12:26:10 <sipa> it's not the coinbase, but the block validty
662 2011-05-15 12:26:13 <sipa> validity
663 2011-05-15 12:26:14 <ArtForz> well, okay, for the value you have to sum up the other tx input-output diff
664 2011-05-15 12:26:19 <roconnor> ArtForz: I wouldn't even build a dependency tree.  I would just add up all the outputs and all the intputs and make sure they balance.
665 2011-05-15 12:26:39 <sipa> for each tx?
666 2011-05-15 12:26:48 <roconnor> for each block
667 2011-05-15 12:27:12 <sipa> the thing is you need a temporary use table while verifying a block
668 2011-05-15 12:27:15 <roconnor> yes some txs may spend more than they input but as long as they are balanced by txs that spend less than they input, it is all fine.
669 2011-05-15 12:27:21 <sipa> because it could be the block is invalid further on
670 2011-05-15 12:27:40 <roconnor> as a miner I'd never accept a tx with a negative fee
671 2011-05-15 12:27:41 <sipa> and you don't want to have the spent-table updated while just checking the block
672 2011-05-15 12:27:55 <roconnor> but if miners want to accept transactiosn with negative fees, then that's fine with me.
673 2011-05-15 12:28:10 <ArtForz> not with bitcoin
674 2011-05-15 12:28:38 <roconnor> sipa: ya, see it is a kinda a pain.
675 2011-05-15 12:28:55 <roconnor> though if I move the coinbase transaction to the end, then maybe it isn't so bad.
676 2011-05-15 12:28:56 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: so if minted coins are usable after 100 blocks why does the client block them for 130?
677 2011-05-15 12:29:02 <ArtForz> 120
678 2011-05-15 12:29:06 <jrmithdobbs> err ya
679 2011-05-15 12:29:07 <sipa> not sure
680 2011-05-15 12:29:10 <ArtForz> no clue
681 2011-05-15 12:29:10 <jrmithdobbs> typo
682 2011-05-15 12:29:16 <sipa> maybe satoshi didn't feel like 100 was enough
683 2011-05-15 12:29:21 <ArtForz> probably to prevent problems on reorg
684 2011-05-15 12:29:21 <sipa> but didn't want to change the protocol :)
685 2011-05-15 12:29:35 <ArtForz> imagine having a chain reorg that puts a tx in a earlier block in the new chain
686 2011-05-15 12:29:36 <jrmithdobbs> should that be changed? artificial limits in the protocol do nothing but give advantages to people willing to widdle some consts
687 2011-05-15 12:29:37 <roconnor> ArtForz: my point is that the bitcoin protocol could be more lax in block verification with no harm done.
688 2011-05-15 12:29:45 <jrmithdobbs> err s/protocol/client/
689 2011-05-15 12:29:50 <jrmithdobbs> christ, not awake yet, sorry ;)
690 2011-05-15 12:30:02 <ArtForz> I still don't see how that is any simpler
691 2011-05-15 12:30:23 <roconnor> ArtForz: because you don't have to build a temporary table to verify a block, like sipa noted.
692 2011-05-15 12:30:25 <sipa> roconnor: i definitely don't want any miner putting a recursive spend in the block chain
693 2011-05-15 12:30:30 <sipa> that's just wasted space
694 2011-05-15 12:30:36 <ArtForz> roconnor: you still have to
695 2011-05-15 12:30:51 <ArtForz> so... how do you detect double spends?
696 2011-05-15 12:31:01 <sipa> in the same block
697 2011-05-15 12:31:14 <jrmithdobbs> roconnor: anything that suggests block verification be more lax is going to cause an uproar by users anyways
698 2011-05-15 12:31:36 <ArtForz> well, overall
699 2011-05-15 12:31:47 <roconnor> jrmithdobbs: oh I'm not suggesting we change the protocol
700 2011-05-15 12:31:48 <ArtForz> you can't just go mark outputs from older blocks spent while verifying a new block
701 2011-05-15 12:31:57 <ArtForz> as you have to reoll that back if the block is invalid
702 2011-05-15 12:32:05 <sipa> roconnor: but you are
703 2011-05-15 12:32:22 <sipa> if your miner would allow things that other people don't accept
704 2011-05-15 12:32:28 <sipa> you're forking the block chain
705 2011-05-15 12:32:34 <roconnor> I'm not proposing these changes
706 2011-05-15 12:32:35 <jrmithdobbs> roconnor: protocol requires it be ordered now, you want that req dropped, don't see how that's not a protocol change
707 2011-05-15 12:32:58 <roconnor> I'm just noting that it would have been simpler if it had been this way and I'm sad that it is so complex.
708 2011-05-15 12:32:59 <sipa> the point is that the purpose of the block chain is ordering transactions
709 2011-05-15 12:33:02 <roconnor> or
710 2011-05-15 12:33:12 <roconnor> I'm going to learn that this complexity is essentail.
711 2011-05-15 12:33:17 <sipa> :)
712 2011-05-15 12:33:34 <jrmithdobbs> i can't think of how to stop double spends within the same block without it being ordered
713 2011-05-15 12:33:36 <roconnor> like I learned that it is important for coinbases to age.
714 2011-05-15 12:34:00 <jrmithdobbs> without big complex changes to the verification code
715 2011-05-15 12:34:20 <sipa> exactly
716 2011-05-15 12:34:41 <jrmithdobbs> so that's the nuts and bolts of why it's ordered, ;p
717 2011-05-15 12:37:28 <roconnor> ya, it could be done. it isn't so hard, but it is a bit more complex than ordering things.
718 2011-05-15 12:37:46 <roconnor> anyhow, the fact that I cannot spend the coinbase solved my ciruclarity problems :D
719 2011-05-15 12:37:57 <roconnor> so I'm pretty happy now.
720 2011-05-15 12:38:28 <jrmithdobbs> i've got to say, the btc protocol is one of the most well thought i've ever seen
721 2011-05-15 12:38:32 <roconnor> I'll just verify the coinbase last, after I've computed the fees, instead of first, like it occurs in the tx list.
722 2011-05-15 12:38:36 <jrmithdobbs> *thought out
723 2011-05-15 12:38:58 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, the p2p protocol?
724 2011-05-15 12:39:24 <jrmithdobbs> I actually made the comment to a friend the other day "I think we may have found something crypto-related that even djb wouldn't balk over" (followed immediately by an exception for the implementation itself, because, well, djb)
725 2011-05-15 12:39:33 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: and the block chain format, yes
726 2011-05-15 12:39:54 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, the p2p protocol is in a word, stupid
727 2011-05-15 12:40:03 <roconnor> djb?
728 2011-05-15 12:40:14 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: well, not the p2p protocol, the block chain format
729 2011-05-15 12:40:29 <jrmithdobbs> roconnor: google
730 2011-05-15 12:40:51 <jrmithdobbs> roconnor: because if you don't know the answer to that you're in for some fun reading.
731 2011-05-15 12:41:05 <jrmithdobbs> heh
732 2011-05-15 13:33:44 <jrmithdobbs> dumb question
733 2011-05-15 13:34:13 <jrmithdobbs> are there enough rpc calls at this point to make it possible to reorg the gui client a bit to actually display numbers/etc from bitcoind while connected via rpc?
734 2011-05-15 13:34:17 <jrmithdobbs> if not, what's missing?
735 2011-05-15 13:34:41 <jrmithdobbs> I think some of the block inspection stuff isn't quite there, anything else?
736 2011-05-15 13:35:16 <jrmithdobbs> (sick of copying wallet.dat to my laptop or launching it with remote x on different ports ;P)
737 2011-05-15 13:40:11 <fused> can someone help a newb out?
738 2011-05-15 13:41:02 <mookey> hello all.  trying to get some assistance getting an Nvidia card to connect to a pool.
739 2011-05-15 13:41:50 <lfm> mookey: whats the problem?
740 2011-05-15 13:41:51 <phantomcircuit> ask more specific questions
741 2011-05-15 13:42:21 <mookey> poclbm.exe --host=mining.bitcoin.cz --port=8832 --user=mookey.kids --pass=mypassword --device=0 -w 256
742 2011-05-15 13:42:24 <mookey> is what i run
743 2011-05-15 13:42:42 <mookey> i get Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
744 2011-05-15 13:43:03 <mookey> I do have NVIDIA CUDA & ATI Stream installed - will not work on either.
745 2011-05-15 13:43:09 <lfm> I think thats normal, problems come and go with the pool servers
746 2011-05-15 13:43:31 <mookey> whoops add  --platform=0  too
747 2011-05-15 13:43:48 <mookey> its working on my other system just fine.  wouldn't I see that issue on both systems?
748 2011-05-15 13:44:17 <lfm> what messages?
749 2011-05-15 13:44:40 <mookey> Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC.
750 2011-05-15 13:44:47 <fused> trying to setup puddinpops pool miner, the server is online ok and the remoteminer-cpu client connects but just requests hashes doesn't do any actual work - cpu is at 0%
751 2011-05-15 13:45:30 <lfm> mookey: are you using the same user/password on both?
752 2011-05-15 13:45:53 <fused> I didn't set a username just password in the bitcoin.conf
753 2011-05-15 13:45:53 <mookey> no.  different user - setup but I am using same password for both users
754 2011-05-15 13:46:30 <mookey> ie:  usera and userb  both using same pass
755 2011-05-15 13:46:43 <lfm> mookey: that should be good
756 2011-05-15 13:47:06 <mookey> yeah, i am wondering if I didn't setup my nvidia GEforce 8800 GT right.
757 2011-05-15 13:47:40 <mookey> lfm:  GPU Caps Viewer shows OpenCL 1.0 CUDA 3.2.2
758 2011-05-15 13:47:57 <lfm> thats should be ok too
759 2011-05-15 13:47:57 <mookey> both CUDA and OpenCL are on
760 2011-05-15 13:48:52 <mookey> also most current driver
761 2011-05-15 13:49:08 <lfm> nvidia runs slightly better with cuda miners I have heard but opencl may be faster now since more work is put into opencl
762 2011-05-15 13:49:41 <phantomcircuit> it's not going to be super fast anyways so... whatever
763 2011-05-15 13:50:03 <mookey> is there an issue having both installed?  or just select which "paltform" when i try and start it.
764 2011-05-15 13:50:11 <lfm> 8800 is one of the better nvidia
765 2011-05-15 13:50:40 <mookey> this system sits on all the time anyways.  figured might as well add it to a pool :)
766 2011-05-15 13:51:18 <lfm> I think you have to install both really, thats just the drivers. the miner will use opencl or cuda, depends what you download
767 2011-05-15 13:51:42 <mookey> k
768 2011-05-15 13:51:54 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: luke.dashjr.org: Connection Refused
769 2011-05-15 13:52:28 <mookey> i think i will try a different miner to see what happens.  thanks for the parity check
770 2011-05-15 13:53:32 <lfm> mookey: good luck
771 2011-05-15 13:54:12 <mookey> thanks lfm
772 2011-05-15 13:54:48 <mookey> btw - if GUIminer opens, that should mean openCL is working correctly yes?
773 2011-05-15 13:55:12 <lfm> dunno guiminer
774 2011-05-15 13:55:16 <mookey> k
775 2011-05-15 13:55:17 <mookey> ty
776 2011-05-15 14:39:31 <BlueMatt> if you have some free time and want to update bitcoin translations for the next release: https://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=8390.0
777 2011-05-15 14:48:07 <[Tycho]> Is there a description of bitcoin address "checksum" or whatever checking algoritm ?
778 2011-05-15 14:48:54 <lulzplzkthx> This. ^
779 2011-05-15 14:49:02 <phantomcircuit> [Tycho], https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Address
780 2011-05-15 14:49:14 <lfm> [Tycho]: mainly just in the code, it is a ripem160(sha256(addr)) then just uses one word from the result
781 2011-05-15 14:49:24 <phantomcircuit> i swear it used to be there
782 2011-05-15 14:52:49 <[Tycho]> phantomcircuit, almost there.
783 2011-05-15 14:53:16 <[Tycho]> So it can't be less than 25 chars and more than 34 ?
784 2011-05-15 14:53:28 <phantomcircuit> that's what it says
785 2011-05-15 14:57:03 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Wladimir J. van der Laan master * r223b6f1 / (25 files): make bitcoin include files more modular - http://bit.ly/ivxEEC
786 2011-05-15 14:57:13 <lfm> [Tycho]: I misremembered, its actually just the first 4 bytes os a sha256(sha256(key))
787 2011-05-15 14:57:51 <[Tycho]> Where are they ?
788 2011-05-15 14:58:11 <lfm> they?
789 2011-05-15 14:58:17 <[Tycho]> Those bytes
790 2011-05-15 14:59:20 <gavinandresen> [Tycho] : see https://github.com/gavinandresen/bitcointools/blob/master/base58.py#L76
791 2011-05-15 14:59:37 <lfm> take the 4 bytes and put em in bytes 21 .. 24 of an addr then do the base58 thing on the result
792 2011-05-15 14:59:40 <[Tycho]> Thanks.
793 2011-05-15 15:00:32 <sipa> [Tycho]: let X="0" ++ ripemd160(sha256(pubkey)), let Y=front4bytes(sha256(sha256(X))), then the address is base58(X++Y)
794 2011-05-15 15:00:53 <[Tycho]> "0", "O", "l" and "I" are stripped out or not present initially ?
795 2011-05-15 15:00:59 <lfm> ya if ++ is concatenate
796 2011-05-15 15:01:00 <sipa> never there
797 2011-05-15 15:01:10 <gavinandresen> Note "0", you want binary 0
798 2011-05-15 15:01:13 <sipa> and the "0" in my formula is actually "\000"
799 2011-05-15 15:01:25 <phantomcircuit> there's something wrong with the initial block download
800 2011-05-15 15:01:41 <phantomcircuit> it stalls and requests blocks it's already got
801 2011-05-15 15:01:55 <phantomcircuit> which might explain why it can take so long
802 2011-05-15 15:02:11 <[Tycho]> Some people keep entering wrong stuff in address field so i want to tell them when they are wrong.
803 2011-05-15 15:02:49 <gavinandresen> If it is talking to a version 0.3.20.1 node there's a bug that can cause stalls (the 0.3.20.1 node will drop the connection because it thinks you're flooding it)
804 2011-05-15 15:03:06 <lfm> bin/bitcoind validateaddress <bitcoinaddress>
805 2011-05-15 15:03:29 <BlueMatt> yay jenkins is autobuilding next version :)
806 2011-05-15 15:03:44 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: in case you missed it last night, if you break the build BlueMattBot will post here that build failed
807 2011-05-15 15:03:54 <BlueMatt> (on mingw or linux)
808 2011-05-15 15:04:10 <gavinandresen> BlueMatt:  nice-- can I get it to send me an email?
809 2011-05-15 15:04:24 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: sure can do...
810 2011-05-15 15:04:38 <gavinandresen> ... cause I don't get enough email already....
811 2011-05-15 15:04:49 <lfm> ehe
812 2011-05-15 15:05:09 <sipa> hmmm, any reason why that attack described by Enochian on the dev forum wouldn't work?
813 2011-05-15 15:06:00 <phantomcircuit> sipa, link?
814 2011-05-15 15:06:15 <sipa> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=8392.0
815 2011-05-15 15:06:39 <BlueMattBot> Project Bitcoin build #17: FAILURE in 4 min 58 sec: http://www.bluematt.me/jenkins/job/Bitcoin/17/
816 2011-05-15 15:06:40 <BlueMattBot> witchspace81: make bitcoin include files more modular
817 2011-05-15 15:06:51 <BlueMatt> ah, build fail
818 2011-05-15 15:06:51 <sipa> of course, the modified echoed transaction will conflict with the original, so in most cases, the original (which was sent slightly earlier) will win
819 2011-05-15 15:06:57 <BlueMatt> well atleast it works
820 2011-05-15 15:07:18 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: well go to that link and click console output...looks like mingw doesnt like string