1 2011-05-17 00:00:06 <bd_> Raccoon: Good luck getting SSL to work with that! :)
  2 2011-05-17 00:00:14 <bd_> point is, it's easier to implement than SSL, and it's _more secure than SSL_
  3 2011-05-17 00:00:30 <Raccoon> alright.
  4 2011-05-17 00:02:34 <EPiSKiNG> what's the best core clocks you guys have gotten for a stock voltage 5970?
  5 2011-05-17 00:02:58 <bd_> Raccoon: also, and I want to make this perfectly clear: There's a lot of correlation analysis that can be done even over a mixnet
  6 2011-05-17 00:03:21 <bd_> Raccoon: Every transaction, as you know, references some set of prior transactions, and typically has two outputs: One will be your payment, and one will be your 'change'
  7 2011-05-17 00:03:34 <bd_> If you trace the history of the 'change', you can identify patterns
  8 2011-05-17 00:03:42 <bd_> This is a lot easier if people reuse receiving addresses
  9 2011-05-17 00:04:27 <bd_> it's unclear exactly how much information can be extracted from this; however, if you send someone some bitcoins, wait a bit, then have them pay you, you can try to trace the shortest path between those two points, for exampl
 10 2011-05-17 00:04:33 <bd_> and grab all the transactions in between
 11 2011-05-17 00:07:05 <Raccoon> that's something else i was thinking about.
 12 2011-05-17 00:07:22 <Raccoon> it would be neat if the bitcoin wallet would only spend the oldest bitcoins first
 13 2011-05-17 00:07:29 <Raccoon> or allow you to put bitcoins "on ice"
 14 2011-05-17 00:07:50 <Raccoon> that way transactions aren't quite as speedily "turned around"
 15 2011-05-17 00:08:00 <bd_> fast turnaroud might actually be a good thing
 16 2011-05-17 00:08:12 <Raccoon> eh?
 17 2011-05-17 00:08:22 <bd_> the region they can reliably trace is the region between when you received the tracer coins, and when you made the last payment based on them
 18 2011-05-17 00:08:32 <bd_> or, alternately, when you pay their tracer account
 19 2011-05-17 00:08:41 <bd_> if you were to receive 1 BTC from $enemy today
 20 2011-05-17 00:08:51 <bd_> three years later give then 1 BTC (they're under a different name ofc)
 21 2011-05-17 00:09:11 <bd_> then they can try to trace the entire history between those two events, by taking the shortest path through the transaction graph
 22 2011-05-17 00:09:16 <Raccoon> imagine if you had two bitcoin wallets.  one for sending/receiving with Group A, and one for sending/receiving with Group B.  You would never send/receive between those two wallets, thereby never connecting Group A to Group B
 23 2011-05-17 00:09:26 <Raccoon> something like that would be kind of nice.
 24 2011-05-17 00:09:28 <bd_> right, separate wallets is a good idea certainly
 25 2011-05-17 00:09:43 <bd_> then the question is how to transfer funds
 26 2011-05-17 00:09:52 <Raccoon> and i think at the very least, allowing coins to "cool down" is a small step toward that.
 27 2011-05-17 00:10:06 <bd_> and again, cooling down might make things worse :)
 28 2011-05-17 00:10:06 <Raccoon> it at least masks what your immediate dealings are
 29 2011-05-17 00:10:21 <bd_> that said
 30 2011-05-17 00:10:37 <bd_> also keep in mind that once you start intentionally trying to hide transaction history, money laundering statutes may come into play
 31 2011-05-17 00:10:50 <Raccoon> not if the client plays that way to begin with
 32 2011-05-17 00:11:13 <bd_> It's all about intent. If you chose that client for that reason...
 33 2011-05-17 00:11:30 <Raccoon> 'its the only client'
 34 2011-05-17 00:11:42 <bd_> except it won't be for long :)
 35 2011-05-17 00:11:44 <Raccoon> i suggest that as a core feature
 36 2011-05-17 00:12:04 <Raccoon> i don't know how the wallet behaves right now
 37 2011-05-17 00:12:14 <Raccoon> does it spend out most recent or oldest coins first?
 38 2011-05-17 00:12:18 <bd_> except that you can't force any client to implement any specific such functionality
 39 2011-05-17 00:13:43 <Raccoon> it should be a client option.
 40 2011-05-17 00:13:56 <bd_> Raccoon: it's currently random
 41 2011-05-17 00:13:57 <Raccoon> 'spend oldest coins first'.  'spend coins with fewest number of addresses'
 42 2011-05-17 00:14:13 <Raccoon> 'spend exact matching amounts first'
 43 2011-05-17 00:14:20 <Raccoon> 'spend this address'
 44 2011-05-17 00:14:22 <bd_> Raccoon: What makes you think any of those options will be more secure? :)
 45 2011-05-17 00:14:31 <bd_> You can't just guess here.
 46 2011-05-17 00:14:32 <Raccoon> it lets you choose the path
 47 2011-05-17 00:14:39 <Raccoon> so you know what you get
 48 2011-05-17 00:14:47 <bd_> spend exact matching amounts first = now they know which txn was change for the previous txn
 49 2011-05-17 00:14:51 <theymos> sirius: IP detection is broken on the forum. I had to disable the 5 second post limit per IP because everyone is seen as being from the same "unknown" IP.
 50 2011-05-17 00:14:54 <bd_> (to a high degree of confidence)
 51 2011-05-17 00:15:13 <Raccoon> bd_.  again, it may be desirable, it may not be.
 52 2011-05-17 00:15:20 <bd_> spend oldest coins first = high mixrate _within your wallet_, making it potentially easier to trace
 53 2011-05-17 00:15:39 <Raccoon> actually, high mixrate is from spending too many addresses in one tx
 54 2011-05-17 00:15:40 <bd_> spend coins w/ fewest number of addresses -- is this talking about txouts or txins?
 55 2011-05-17 00:15:57 <Raccoon> which is why i suggested that 'spend exact'
 56 2011-05-17 00:16:14 <bd_> Raccoon: spend oldest first will continually turn old coins into new coins (change). This rotation will act to mix the histories of all the coins in your wallet
 57 2011-05-17 00:16:21 <bd_> And will likely be visible in history
 58 2011-05-17 00:16:32 <Raccoon> as long as that mix is mixed
 59 2011-05-17 00:17:01 <Raccoon> the more mix in the network as a whole, the better
 60 2011-05-17 00:17:20 <bd_> Mixing within your own wallet only worsens your security
 61 2011-05-17 00:17:24 <Raccoon> no
 62 2011-05-17 00:17:25 <bd_> mixing with other people's coins - this is useful
 63 2011-05-17 00:17:33 <Raccoon> because you are blending old with new paths
 64 2011-05-17 00:17:35 <bd_> mixing within your own wallet eliminates isolation between your own coins
 65 2011-05-17 00:17:53 <Raccoon> why would you prefer spending most recent
 66 2011-05-17 00:18:35 <bd_> Raccoon: As I mentioned before, if the attacker can identify two transactions that were definitively to or from your wallet, they can trace your wallet activity by taking the shortest path between those two nodes in the txn graph
 67 2011-05-17 00:19:06 <bd_> the more txns between those two marker transactions, the more transactions will be revealed to the attacker
 68 2011-05-17 00:19:26 <bd_> If you use oldest first, you will have the effect of mixing all of your coins together, creating a path through them all
 69 2011-05-17 00:20:07 <bd_> If you use newest first, you have a chance of eliminating coins from the trace by spending them before they mix with older marker transactions
 70 2011-05-17 00:20:12 <bd_> It's not certain, of course.
 71 2011-05-17 00:21:26 <bd_> An ideal mix would take in a number of equal-value transactions from independent parties, and put out an equal number of equal-value transactions in random order to one-time-use destination keys
 72 2011-05-17 00:41:21 <nefario> I've a string here, can anyone tell me what encoding it is?
 73 2011-05-17 00:41:38 <nefario> x87exFExDE4Ux17xC7tMx99xA7xA7u)xBDx8Ex19xA8}xB3xEBx95xEDFx87xACx8Dx7Fx8Ax82x82x80xB47?xBFxD1HxACxD0xC4r-x01$xA3MxA6xC2nx95^NxE9xF5xB3xA9 xA9x9CZex0FxA0xDFxFDxB1*9o3
 74 2011-05-17 00:42:31 <gjs278> zalgo
 75 2011-05-17 00:42:45 <nefario> funny
 76 2011-05-17 00:42:58 <nefario> I mean number encoding
 77 2011-05-17 00:43:11 <nefario> this is the output of openssl when I sign something
 78 2011-05-17 00:44:45 <nefario> ok, figured it out, hex
 79 2011-05-17 00:44:46 <phantomcircuit> nefario, you mean of pyopenssl?
 80 2011-05-17 00:44:56 <nefario> actually ruby's openssl
 81 2011-05-17 00:45:09 <nefario> pyopenssl would probably be similar
 82 2011-05-17 00:45:42 <phantomcircuit> nefario, it's the binary encoding, which function specifically did you use?
 83 2011-05-17 00:46:13 <nefario> privatekey.sign(SHA512,"abcd")
 84 2011-05-17 00:47:21 <nefario> it's the signature of "abcd"
 85 2011-05-17 00:47:38 <nefario> openssl outputs the sig as binary AFAIK
 86 2011-05-17 01:17:07 <Nesetalis> nefario, it looks like zlib
 87 2011-05-17 01:17:24 <nefario> zlib output
 88 2011-05-17 01:17:32 <nefario> zipped?
 89 2011-05-17 01:18:28 <Nesetalis> >>> 'derp me in the mouth.'.encode('zlib')
 90 2011-05-17 01:18:32 <Nesetalis> in python :p
 91 2011-05-17 01:19:03 <Nesetalis> but thats not all, its not in the right format
 92 2011-05-17 01:19:06 <nefario> x
 93 2011-05-17 01:19:21 <Nesetalis> so its not zlib.. or if it is, its been mangled
 94 2011-05-17 01:19:22 <nefario> is the unix form of hex encoding
 95 2011-05-17 01:19:28 <wolfman2k11> How is everyone today?
 96 2011-05-17 01:19:31 <Nesetalis> aye
 97 2011-05-17 01:19:43 <Nesetalis> but without more information, theres no way to know its encoding.
 98 2011-05-17 01:20:07 <Nesetalis> :p
 99 2011-05-17 01:20:14 <Nesetalis> i just know it looks like zlib encoding output
100 2011-05-17 01:20:17 <Nesetalis> so..
101 2011-05-17 01:20:29 <nefario> I'll pay 100 bitcoins to anyone who can get javascript to sign something using RSA private keys that can then be verified with Openssl using the RSA public key
102 2011-05-17 01:20:32 <wolfman2k11> So, I just found out about this whole "bitcoin" venture, and I was wanting some opinions about it
103 2011-05-17 01:20:53 <wolfman2k11> Good or bad
104 2011-05-17 01:20:58 <Nesetalis> what do you want to kno wabout it wolfman2k11?
105 2011-05-17 01:21:08 <Nesetalis> its just currency, so its evil :p as money is the root of all evil.
106 2011-05-17 01:21:42 <wolfman2k11> How does it work exactly? I mean, do I buy them or... I mean, I read through the faq's and whatnot, but I guess I feel I'm still missing something..
107 2011-05-17 01:21:59 <Nesetalis> its.. currency.. you earn them, buy in to it, or steal it :p
108 2011-05-17 01:22:10 <Nesetalis> or.. if you have alot of processing power, you can mine
109 2011-05-17 01:22:23 <wolfman2k11> I see... how do you earn them? via the open source program?
110 2011-05-17 01:23:05 <wolfman2k11> I have a 2.4 GHz AMD Turion 2 Ultra with an ATI Radeon 4650 HD card
111 2011-05-17 01:23:45 <ntosme2> wolfman2k11: unfortunately that won't be very useful for this application
112 2011-05-17 01:23:46 <Nesetalis> earn them by doing work for some one who wants to pay you in bitcoin? :p
113 2011-05-17 01:24:10 <wolfman2k11> I see... makes sense
114 2011-05-17 01:24:50 <wolfman2k11> @ ntosme: what do u mean? how so?
115 2011-05-17 01:24:53 <Nesetalis> i've made a few bitcoins mining.. but it's not efficient unless you haev a newer radeon card.. 5900~ are good
116 2011-05-17 01:25:27 <jlewis> luke-jr: pool down?
117 2011-05-17 01:25:36 <luke-jr> jlewis: just US
118 2011-05-17 01:25:54 <jlewis> should i point my miners elsewhere?
119 2011-05-17 01:26:05 <luke-jr> eu.mining.eligius.st
120 2011-05-17 01:26:49 <jlewis> same port?
121 2011-05-17 01:27:31 <luke-jr> yes
122 2011-05-17 01:31:05 <jlewis> luke-jr: where can i get stats for that address?
123 2011-05-17 01:31:28 <luke-jr> jlewis: http://eligius.st/~luke-jr/raw/
124 2011-05-17 01:31:40 <jlewis> great, thanks
125 2011-05-17 01:31:54 <luke-jr> php is broken atm
126 2011-05-17 01:34:12 <jlewis> current_block also doesn't seem to have my address, but presumably that'll update
127 2011-05-17 01:35:56 <luke-jr> as soon as your balance goes over 1 BTC
128 2011-05-17 01:36:02 <sacarlson> I'm not getting any -testnet transactions from faucet with git f441949515fb76acad2e5987f5fcddbd804ba5c5  is it working the facet or this git?
129 2011-05-17 01:36:03 <jlewis> gotit
130 2011-05-17 01:36:16 <luke-jr> which may be a while-- we've been working on this block for some time now
131 2011-05-17 01:36:54 <sacarlson> on my console I see ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 969e7c8ca5 mapTransactions prev not found 4b226e31f1
132 2011-05-17 01:40:06 <sacarlson> anyone have any -testnet coin to see if I can get a transaction on -testnet mrMkNS9n8aguJtzU67sC7z6fjB5LryXtSc  .02 qty is fine
133 2011-05-17 01:46:39 <io_error> ...waiting for block chain
134 2011-05-17 01:47:50 <io_error> sacarlson: Sent you a 0.22 on testnet
135 2011-05-17 01:48:01 <sacarlson> io_error: thank you sir
136 2011-05-17 01:48:23 <io_error> Haha, it says: Balance: 1,050.00
137 2011-05-17 01:48:30 <sacarlson> io_error: same error
138 2011-05-17 01:48:31 <io_error> I WISH that wasn't on testnet
139 2011-05-17 01:49:05 <sacarlson> io_error: I think I'll pull back from this git and find something that's still working
140 2011-05-17 01:49:15 <io_error> sacarlson: Do you have any connections?
141 2011-05-17 01:49:31 <sacarlson> yes it shows 8 connections
142 2011-05-17 01:49:47 <io_error> ah, hang out..I only have 1 connections on testnet
143 2011-05-17 01:50:26 <sacarlson> io_error: what is the tx no
144 2011-05-17 01:50:41 <io_error> ha, now 6 connections
145 2011-05-17 01:51:08 <sacarlson> io_error: is this your tx 2eaaa5300b0028b9b4a1
146 2011-05-17 01:51:31 <io_error> I think so
147 2011-05-17 01:51:42 <sacarlson> ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 2eaaa5300b mapTransactions prev not found 60e9432806
148 2011-05-17 01:52:02 <io_error> it was paid from a generated coin
149 2011-05-17 01:52:25 <sacarlson> ok I"ll at least wait for the next block to see if it changes then
150 2011-05-17 01:53:07 <io_error> Someone had better start testnet mining then :)
151 2011-05-17 01:53:09 <sacarlson> io_error: maybe this git reset the -testnet again?
152 2011-05-17 01:53:35 <LobsterMan> do ALL transactions have a .01 fee now?
153 2011-05-17 01:53:36 <io_error> I think if testnet had been reset, that bitcoin would be complaining very loudly
154 2011-05-17 01:53:50 <io_error> LobsterMan: no
155 2011-05-17 01:53:53 <sacarlson> io_error:  I show "blocks" : 11195,
156 2011-05-17 01:54:28 <io_error> I see 19407 blocks on testnet
157 2011-05-17 01:54:33 <io_error> blockexplorer shows the same
158 2011-05-17 01:54:53 <sacarlson> io_error: oh maybe that's the older -testnet block
159 2011-05-17 01:55:08 <Ctylersmith> This might sound a bit ridiculous, but QUICK: SOMEONE SELL ME ON BITCOIN =]
160 2011-05-17 01:55:10 <sacarlson> or I just havn't got them all yet
161 2011-05-17 01:55:23 <Ctylersmith> I prefer human interaction to long scrawls of text. =\n562774
162 2011-05-17 01:55:54 <io_error> Ctylersmith: In this channel you can watch Bitcoin developers slave over the source code. :)
163 2011-05-17 01:56:23 <Ctylersmith> Aww.
164 2011-05-17 01:56:57 <io_error> sacarlson: I'd just kill your testnet database and redownload the whole blockchain, it's short :)
165 2011-05-17 01:57:06 <Ctylersmith> well, as a layman, I was actually looking for a validation as to why the code works and doesn't have huge glaring inherent flaws [all code is flawed, I'm just trying to understand why it works good enough]
166 2011-05-17 01:57:26 <Ctylersmith> I know that sounds hugely vague, but I'm unsure how else to phrase it
167 2011-05-17 01:57:37 <sacarlson> io_error: it took 8 hours to download the block chain for main
168 2011-05-17 01:57:47 <meadowlark> Where are linux build instructions?
169 2011-05-17 01:57:54 <io_error> sacarlson: Slow ISP?
170 2011-05-17 01:59:36 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
171 2011-05-17 01:59:37 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":8.5,"low":6.953,"vol":37097,"buy":7.675,"sell":7.7433,"last":7.7262}}
172 2011-05-17 01:59:45 <sacarlson> io_error: no it seems the group that I connect stop feeding me and when I reset I notice I get more blocks
173 2011-05-17 01:59:56 <io_error> Ctylersmith: I'm NOT a core bitcoin developer and I've looked around the source code and read the technical papers.
174 2011-05-17 02:00:05 <io_error> sacarlson: Ahh, so there are some nodes on testnet not playing nice?
175 2011-05-17 02:00:40 <io_error> Ctylersmith: I can say it works reasonably well, but if you don't read source code and scientific papers, you're always relying on third party opinions
176 2011-05-17 02:01:30 <sacarlson> io_error: well I'm trying to move my changes into this version but I can't even get this version to work
177 2011-05-17 02:01:57 <io_error> sacarlson: but the latest release works?
178 2011-05-17 02:02:11 <io_error> maybe time to git bisect
179 2011-05-17 02:02:21 <Ctylersmith> io_error: Indeed, that is true, my field of expertise certainly proves that true.  I'm having a talented C++ friend of mine check through the code and validate/invalidate some of my concerns.  I was just passing the time seeing if anyone else had any useful insight.
180 2011-05-17 02:02:43 <sacarlson> io_error: I assume it does the git version is above release and has had alot of changes the last 5 days
181 2011-05-17 02:03:00 <io_error> Ctylersmith: It would be nice if your friend shared his findings, e.g. on the bitcoin forum :)
182 2011-05-17 02:03:20 <io_error> sacarlson: LOL don't assume anything, go back to release and see if it works :)
183 2011-05-17 02:03:21 <sacarlson> io_error: so many changes my merge has many conflics and breaks it when I attempt to try it
184 2011-05-17 02:03:42 <io_error> sacarlson: Oh yeah, I hate when that happens... definitely time for you to do some house cleaning :)
185 2011-05-17 02:04:02 <sacarlson> io_error: well I think my last working system is still above the release but the changes I need are in this version
186 2011-05-17 02:04:25 <Ctylersmith> Iio_error: I'll see if he's interested.  I'm extremely interested in monetary theory and have been for years.  So, basically I'm really enjoying the innovative thought involved in BitCoin, I'm just trying to be responsibly hesitant.  I'm not sure if my friend shares the same passion for monetary theory =P
187 2011-05-17 02:05:03 <io_error> Ctylersmith: You might join the more lively discussion in #bitcoin :)
188 2011-05-17 02:05:41 <Ctylersmith> IIndeed, I'll likely bounce over there.
189 2011-05-17 02:06:08 <Ctylersmith> io_error: and apparently my I key hates me tonight.
190 2011-05-17 02:06:13 <io_error> sacarlson: more to the point, does the tree WITHOUT your changes work?
191 2011-05-17 02:06:43 <sacarlson> io_error: that's what I'm running now and I see it just hasn't downloaded all the blocks yet
192 2011-05-17 02:07:04 <io_error> sacarlson: ok, should be just a few minutes on your slow ISP :)
193 2011-05-17 02:07:06 <sacarlson> I just reset it and now it's pulling in more blocks
194 2011-05-17 02:07:12 <meadowlark> io_error: Where might I find instructions for building from source?
195 2011-05-17 02:07:25 <sacarlson> io_error: my ISP cranks at 9meg
196 2011-05-17 02:07:38 <sacarlson> io_error: that's fast for me 900kb/sec
197 2011-05-17 02:08:20 <sacarlson> meadowlark: what platform?
198 2011-05-17 02:08:24 <meadowlark> Linux
199 2011-05-17 02:08:51 <sacarlson> meadowlark: should see info on bitcoin.org
200 2011-05-17 02:09:18 <sacarlson> meadowlark: look for the git release
201 2011-05-17 02:09:21 <meadowlark> I find makefile.unix in the source folder, but instructions and/or dependencies are missing.
202 2011-05-17 02:09:53 <sacarlson> meadowlark: in the docs section tells you all the dependencies
203 2011-05-17 02:10:12 <io_error> Dependencies are going to be fun!
204 2011-05-17 02:10:33 <sacarlson> meadowlark: in ubuntu it's not too bad it's just a few packages
205 2011-05-17 02:11:05 <sacarlson> meadowlark: I'm presently working on a windows release but I mostly work in ubuntu
206 2011-05-17 02:12:10 <Yeraze> So, I was told to bring this up here.. I'm kinda new to BitCoin, but I've had the client running for about an hour now..
207 2011-05-17 02:12:19 <Yeraze> I've got 0 connections, but 65000 Blocks.. is that normal?
208 2011-05-17 02:12:59 <sacarlson> Yeraze: it took me about 8 hours to get all the blocks on main,  I would stop and start it a few times to get the blocks faster
209 2011-05-17 02:13:13 <sacarlson> oh 0 connections
210 2011-05-17 02:13:21 <sacarlson> try restart
211 2011-05-17 02:14:16 <ne0futur> and check firewall
212 2011-05-17 02:14:31 <meadowlark> wx, boost, and openssl are dependecies. The doc README mentions openssl, but not the other libraries.
213 2011-05-17 02:14:40 <Yeraze> I just restarted it..
214 2011-05-17 02:14:55 <Yeraze> i'm on a Mac, PeerGuardian is disabled.. What else should I check?
215 2011-05-17 02:15:53 <Yeraze> 1 connection.. and blocks tricling in again :)
216 2011-05-17 02:16:02 <meadowlark> sacarlson: On ubuntu, I obtain the error "/usr/include/wx-2.8/wx/cursor.h:65: error: wxIsBusy was not declared in this scope" when running make -f makefile.unix
217 2011-05-17 02:18:17 <io_error> meadowlark: You need wx 2.9
218 2011-05-17 02:19:00 <meadowlark> Thank you io_error.
219 2011-05-17 02:19:23 <meadowlark> Also, thank you sacarlson.
220 2011-05-17 02:22:04 <io_error> Ctylersmith: Indeed I think you will enjoy the discussions in #bitcoin right now
221 2011-05-17 02:22:26 <sacarlson> meadowlark: you can build the server without the wx libs
222 2011-05-17 02:35:10 <sacarlson> io_error: I'm finally caught up with 19407 blocks but still see no transactions
223 2011-05-17 02:35:41 <io_error> and I haven't seen a block generated lately either
224 2011-05-17 02:35:43 <charliesheen_> hey, rpc troubles, set user, password, ipallow, port, ip and still have trouble connecting my miners over the internet
225 2011-05-17 02:36:03 <sacarlson> io_error: I see the difficulty is quite high now might take years
226 2011-05-17 02:36:10 <charliesheen_> iptable rules are set and can connect to other pools
227 2011-05-17 02:36:22 <io_error> sacarlson: Yeah, difficulty of 12, what a pain
228 2011-05-17 02:36:50 <sacarlson> io_error: I normaly run my own testnet chain but I can't run it with this version
229 2011-05-17 02:37:18 <io_error> Throw a GPU miner on testnet for a few minutes :)
230 2011-05-17 02:37:54 <sacarlson> io_error: I'm poor I don't have one my network runs with a 400kh/sec with no problems
231 2011-05-17 02:38:17 <io_error> eh, I'll see if I can generate a while, the CPU miner is at least somewhat useful on testnet
232 2011-05-17 02:39:16 <sacarlson> io_error: even at a difficulty of 1.000 it takes my system 1 hour to generate 1 block
233 2011-05-17 02:39:44 <io_error> sacarlson: Fortunately I get about 7Mhash/sec on my CPU :)
234 2011-05-17 02:41:09 <sacarlson> ok I got a transaction now "txid" : "6013d2be697e05d7d6f218e228d6172c5b7ef28247e902b0813156f2cf1f361a",
235 2011-05-17 02:41:21 <sacarlson> maybe your minner did it?
236 2011-05-17 02:41:35 <io_error> probably :)
237 2011-05-17 02:42:08 <sacarlson> io_error: and that was with no blocks recieved
238 2011-05-17 02:42:39 <sacarlson> io_error: so maybe there was just no minners present
239 2011-05-17 02:42:55 <io_error> Quite possibly, there hadn't been a block in over an hour
240 2011-05-17 02:43:36 <sacarlson> io_error: well as soon as I recieve and send one transaction I continue work merging into my network
241 2011-05-17 02:46:36 <sacarlson> io_error: oh and this ammount  "amount" : 0.11000000,  that means it was from faucet
242 2011-05-17 02:46:51 <io_error> I sent a 0.22
243 2011-05-17 02:46:58 <sacarlson> io_error: oh ok
244 2011-05-17 02:48:33 <io_error> Haven't found a block yet
245 2011-05-17 02:53:05 <B0g4r7> Can you guys explain the use of the rpcconnect option to me?
246 2011-05-17 02:53:56 <B0g4r7> It looks like I could use it to connect to a remote bitcoind and examine the wallet, etc, but it doesn't seem to work for me.
247 2011-05-17 02:55:35 <doublec> B0g4r7: the node you are trying to send commands to has to have --rpcallowip set to allow the IP you are sending from
248 2011-05-17 02:55:47 <doublec> B0g4r7: by default the RPC server interface only works on localhost
249 2011-05-17 03:00:29 <B0g4r7> Still no luck after adding that.
250 2011-05-17 03:00:37 <B0g4r7> It shows the local wallet instead.
251 2011-05-17 03:06:20 <sacarlson> B0g4r7: what command line options and commands did you try?
252 2011-05-17 03:07:07 <sacarlson> B0g4r7: I assume your using bitcoind getinfo    or something like that to read your server?
253 2011-05-17 03:10:06 <sacarlson> io_error: cool I got your .22 deposit with 1 confirm now and the 2 transactions from faucet but they got no confirm not sure why so who would like some free -testnet money?
254 2011-05-17 03:10:07 <jrmithdobbs> B0g4r7: you cannot remotely examine the wallet exactly. you can use listaccounts and getbalance and send/recv, but there is currently no way to have it dump the entire wallet
255 2011-05-17 03:10:51 <jrmithdobbs> B0g4r7: there is a pull request in that would make what you want possible, though it still doesn't actually implement that specifically
256 2011-05-17 03:10:53 <gmaxwell> backupwallet will write to a file...
257 2011-05-17 03:10:59 <io_error> sacarlson: nice, I see 2 confirms on it now
258 2011-05-17 03:11:03 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: on the remote machine
259 2011-05-17 03:11:12 <gmaxwell> Right.
260 2011-05-17 03:11:24 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: you can't dump to the rpcclient in 3.21 which means the client can't read it directly
261 2011-05-17 03:11:33 <gmaxwell> Then add SCP? :)
262 2011-05-17 03:12:03 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: sipa ((I think) has an export to json patch
263 2011-05-17 03:12:21 <io_error> LOL someone sent .12345678
264 2011-05-17 03:12:34 <sacarlson> io_error: ya and wow I didn't notice but I got 3 transactions from faucet I only recall asking for two
265 2011-05-17 03:12:36 <jrmithdobbs> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/220
266 2011-05-17 03:13:09 <sacarlson> somebody give me an address to send to -testnet
267 2011-05-17 03:13:20 <io_error> mvHWioxDtFocByR1RcmNXhB3RCzeW3GvNd
268 2011-05-17 03:13:47 <sacarlson> io_error: I'm going to make you a rich man now with .33 million
269 2011-05-17 03:14:22 <gmaxwell> Testnet millionare.. and then you find out that wasn't a testnet ID and it's lost forever.
270 2011-05-17 03:14:35 <gmaxwell> all that testnet coin...gone.. poof.
271 2011-05-17 03:14:38 <io_error> sacarlson: Just received a 0.33
272 2011-05-17 03:14:47 <sacarlson> io_error: cool b2dc1da4699faf14a67888fac209a96730cfa8f24bf5cc699ba8caf0296f4ded
273 2011-05-17 03:14:57 <sacarlson> io_error: ok I'm happy
274 2011-05-17 03:15:21 <io_error> I'm not, I want 1050.33 real BTC :(
275 2011-05-17 03:15:44 <sacarlson> io_error:  hay I'll try to fix that too
276 2011-05-17 03:16:25 <io_error> I'm stuck on nvidia, just bought a 5850 and it gets here wednesday
277 2011-05-17 03:16:41 <sacarlson> io_error: I just checked my pockets thinking I had 10 grand in there... oh ya I spent it on that yaht yestarday
278 2011-05-17 03:16:59 <sacarlson> io_error: just kiding
279 2011-05-17 03:17:06 <io_error> sacarlson: hahaha
280 2011-05-17 03:23:04 <sirius> server downtime for a few moments
281 2011-05-17 03:24:33 <sirius> and back
282 2011-05-17 03:25:02 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik master * r6d62d2f / (2 files):
283 2011-05-17 03:29:33 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik master * r112262c / src/net.cpp :
284 2011-05-17 03:38:47 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik master * r270e944 / (doc/README doc/README_windows.txt): doc/README: bump version to 0.3.22 - http://bit.ly/ki5R5N
285 2011-05-17 03:58:16 <sacarlson> oh I just noticed a fee on my testnet transaction "fee" : -0.00050000,  I don't recall seeing that before
286 2011-05-17 04:00:27 <sacarlson> CIA-103: wow cool my listen port is in there so I don't have to fix it!!
287 2011-05-17 04:46:22 <Diablo-D3> jesus I broke clc
288 2011-05-17 04:49:02 <NvrBst> Greetings.  May I ask, is there some trick to getting two ATI gpus to show up under a windows environment? (using latest drivers, ati stream 2.4, HD 6870)?
289 2011-05-17 04:49:20 <NvrBst> I can only see one via the miners, but, GPUX can see both *just says load on 2nd is 0%*.
290 2011-05-17 04:49:41 <NvrBst> crossfire disabled
291 2011-05-17 04:53:06 <gjs278> do you have a montir plugged into the second gpu NvrBst
292 2011-05-17 04:53:08 <gjs278> you need to
293 2011-05-17 04:53:34 <NvrBst> hehe, is there anyway I can fool it without a 2nd monitor?
294 2011-05-17 04:54:52 <jazzanova_> hi. how can I interface programmatically with mt. gox to buy/sell bitcoin ?
295 2011-05-17 04:55:56 <sipa> NvrBst: either a dummy plug, or use linux :)
296 2011-05-17 04:56:10 <Diablo-D3> NvrBst: which miner?
297 2011-05-17 04:56:23 <NvrBst> I tried poclbm and pheonix
298 2011-05-17 04:56:50 <NvrBst> what is a dummy plug?  I have a spare hdmi cable, but nothing to plug it into.  I tried just pluging it in the back empty, but, didn't seem to work.
299 2011-05-17 04:56:59 <Diablo-D3> NvrBst: both of those only see one gpu at a time
300 2011-05-17 04:57:06 <Diablo-D3> either run more than one, or switch to DiabloMiner
301 2011-05-17 04:58:00 <NvrBst> oww aye, i mean they only see one gpu, eventhough i have two in my machine.  in ccc it has my 2nd gpu has "disabled" I see (unless i have monitor pluged in?).
302 2011-05-17 04:58:24 <NvrBst> more-so, I wondering if there is a way to enable the 2nd card for bitcion mining without a 2nd monitor pluged in...
303 2011-05-17 04:58:31 <Diablo-D3> NvrBst: no I mean, you have to start a poclbm for each gpu.
304 2011-05-17 04:58:38 <Diablo-D3> one with -D 0, one with -D 1
305 2011-05-17 04:58:47 <Diablo-D3> needing a dummy plug is also another issue
306 2011-05-17 04:58:49 <NvrBst> aye, but there is no "-D 1"
307 2011-05-17 04:59:04 <Diablo-D3> (well -D whatever your CPU isnt)
308 2011-05-17 04:59:10 <NvrBst> is dummy plug special?  or is that just an hdmi cable?
309 2011-05-17 04:59:48 <Diablo-D3> NvrBst: http://www.overclock.net/folding-home-guides-tutorials/384733-30-second-dummy-plug.html
310 2011-05-17 05:00:00 <NvrBst> ahh thankies kindly
311 2011-05-17 05:24:59 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":8.5,"low":7.2279,"vol":37907,"buy":7.8,"sell":7.9449,"last":7.8}}
312 2011-05-17 05:24:59 <Nesetalis> ;;bc,mtgox
313 2011-05-17 06:15:22 <ar4s> Has anyone here had experience in opening an exchange? Is this open source as well, or are there direct profits being made?
314 2011-05-17 06:17:15 <ersi> ar4s: AFAIK there's no open source exchanges
315 2011-05-17 06:17:30 <ersi> It's profitable business... IF you manage to actually draw some exchange volume
316 2011-05-17 06:17:46 <ersi> (Do I have to point out there's no shortage on exchanges?)
317 2011-05-17 06:19:29 <ar4s> I see there being a bunch. I'm in Japan and I no longer see anything dealing with JPY (Yen), which is why I'm asking
318 2011-05-17 06:20:56 <ersi> It's quite funny that MtGox is .jp-based and is not handling JPY :)
319 2011-05-17 06:20:56 <noagendamarket> bitcoin central is open source
320 2011-05-17 06:21:03 <noagendamarket> so is britcoin
321 2011-05-17 06:21:18 <noagendamarket> contact genjix for that one
322 2011-05-17 06:22:03 <ar4s> I didn't realize MtGox is .jp based ... odd, haha.
323 2011-05-17 06:23:00 <noagendamarket> I think he wants to avoid that
324 2011-05-17 06:26:24 <gjs278> mtgox is great as a price reference, but I'd never leave money sitting on an account there
325 2011-05-17 06:26:30 <gjs278> shit's going to get raided one day
326 2011-05-17 06:29:00 <ar4s> what do you figure the odds of getting  cease and desist prior to getting raided? One would hope people are smart enough to shut down the exchanges after trading bitcoins is effectively illegal, no?
327 2011-05-17 06:31:17 <gjs278> umm
328 2011-05-17 06:31:22 <gjs278> they will get no cease and desist
329 2011-05-17 06:31:24 <gjs278> they will get
330 2011-05-17 06:31:26 <gjs278> all of their shit taken
331 2011-05-17 06:31:36 <gjs278> and anyone who had money on it won't see a dime of it
332 2011-05-17 06:31:46 <gjs278> just like the poker sites
333 2011-05-17 06:31:55 <ersi> He's gone, mate
334 2011-05-17 06:32:03 <vegard> does that happen in japan (too)?
335 2011-05-17 06:32:09 <gjs278> rest of the channel can read it
336 2011-05-17 06:32:10 <gjs278> yes
337 2011-05-17 06:32:13 <gjs278> it happens with swords though
338 2011-05-17 06:32:29 <gjs278> and the cops raiding you have tentacles
339 2011-05-17 06:32:46 <gjs278> ar4s take this http://img807.imageshack.us/img807/5673/screenshotqm.png
340 2011-05-17 06:33:59 <ar4s> appreciate that ;)
341 2011-05-17 06:34:29 <ar4s> lmfao
342 2011-05-17 06:34:44 <ar4s> god I hope they have anime/hentai in jail
343 2011-05-17 06:35:16 <ar4s> it's really a shame I'm on a visa here, otherwise I would totally do it. I really don't want to risk being able to live here though. I like it... even with the radiation
344 2011-05-17 06:37:06 <ersi> ar4s: So, not a native? :)
345 2011-05-17 06:37:47 <noagendamarket> mt gox will delay them as much as possible
346 2011-05-17 06:38:05 <noagendamarket> US lawyers arent welcome in japanese courts
347 2011-05-17 06:38:31 <noagendamarket> its why he operates outside japan imo
348 2011-05-17 07:28:30 <mtrlt> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Protocol_specification#Block_Headers <- is that really the block header that is given to the double sha-256? writing my own miner but can't seem to get the correct hash. tried little-endian and big-endian and such with a block from blockexplorer but no luck
349 2011-05-17 07:29:37 <forrestv> mtrlt, what language?
350 2011-05-17 07:30:25 <forrestv> mtrlt, the hashes on blockexplorer are in the reverse byte order than hashes are usually produced in
351 2011-05-17 07:30:31 <forrestv> and you hash the little endian data
352 2011-05-17 07:31:34 <mtrlt> C++
353 2011-05-17 07:32:52 <mtrlt> umm so if blockexplorer has the uint32 number of 123456789 (0x075BCD15) what bytes should i write? 0x07 0x5B 0xCD 0x15 or 0x15 0xCD 0x5B 0x07
354 2011-05-17 07:34:08 <MartianW> mtrlt, what kind of miner are you writing? (Just curious)
355 2011-05-17 07:35:04 <mtrlt> in the end, a gpu miner that i can optimize properly :P but currently just a slow cpu-miner to get the basics right first
356 2011-05-17 07:36:28 <mtrlt> i tried to hash the uint32 data big endian, little endian and the merkle root + last block in big and little endian. but none of those 4 combinations results in the right hash :/
357 2011-05-17 07:36:41 <mtrlt> using cryptopp for sha-256
358 2011-05-17 07:37:02 <sipa> the formatting of sha checksums is weird in bitcoin
359 2011-05-17 07:48:13 <xelister> for mining with 2x5970