1 2011-05-19 00:00:11 <ArtForz> meh
  2 2011-05-19 00:00:20 <ArtForz> 38911 BASIC BYTES FREE
  3 2011-05-19 00:00:55 <metonymous_> TI-83 basic - I could code u a 5 slot slot machine in one class period - 50 minutes
  4 2011-05-19 00:01:11 <metonymous_> much more interesting than class
  5 2011-05-19 00:02:15 <metonymous_> is the wallet just a berkeley database?
  6 2011-05-19 00:02:21 <ArtForz> yes
  7 2011-05-19 00:02:30 <metonymous_> connect read-only, and nothing can go rwrong?
  8 2011-05-19 00:02:41 <ArtForz> in theory, yes
  9 2011-05-19 00:03:31 <sipa> 03:58:35 < metonymous_> and smalltalk    <- the language?
 10 2011-05-19 00:04:53 <metonymous_> sipa: yeah, i never managed to get enough into it, got distracted by ... what's it called, squeak
 11 2011-05-19 00:05:15 <metonymous_> and then decided to give erlang a bash. btw - erlang would be the PERFECT language for a pool server
 12 2011-05-19 00:06:28 <metonymous_> if taht sentence makes no sense... don't worry :P
 13 2011-05-19 00:06:45 <sipa> you're probably right
 14 2011-05-19 00:06:56 <metonymous_> i was going to write it, then found pushpool
 15 2011-05-19 00:06:56 <sipa> but the easiest language is always the one you already know
 16 2011-05-19 00:06:57 <ntosme2> I need to learn erlang
 17 2011-05-19 00:07:10 <jrmithdobbs> metonymous_: c'mon if you're gonna suggest erlang be a man and write it in forth
 18 2011-05-19 00:07:10 <metonymous_> sipa: well said
 19 2011-05-19 00:07:16 <jrmithdobbs> metonymous_: and have it run inside the bootloader!
 20 2011-05-19 00:07:16 <metonymous_> ok ok ok!
 21 2011-05-19 00:07:21 <metonymous_> wtf!?
 22 2011-05-19 00:07:34 <metonymous_> i haven't delved into the src for bitcoin yet
 23 2011-05-19 00:07:37 <jrmithdobbs> metonymous_: sun (and old apple) hardware's openfirmware is all forth ;P
 24 2011-05-19 00:07:39 <metonymous_> just all the periphery systems
 25 2011-05-19 00:07:46 <metonymous_> ahhh
 26 2011-05-19 00:07:52 <jrmithdobbs> metonymous_: since you missed the joke.
 27 2011-05-19 00:07:55 <ntosme2> I'm a fan of haskell but it takes so much brain power
 28 2011-05-19 00:07:56 <metonymous_> soooorrr :\n588073
 29 2011-05-19 00:07:59 <metonymous_> hehehe
 30 2011-05-19 00:08:04 <sipa> ntosme2: haskell is nice :)
 31 2011-05-19 00:08:07 <metonymous_> or, LISP, for the sadists
 32 2011-05-19 00:08:19 <sipa> there are quite some people here that are also on #haskell
 33 2011-05-19 00:08:40 <metonymous_> ok, i got stuck here last time
 34 2011-05-19 00:08:43 <metonymous_> openssl/ecdsa.h missing
 35 2011-05-19 00:08:48 <oneman> is there any notable changes between .20.2 and 21
 36 2011-05-19 00:08:51 <metonymous_> in default "yum" installed openssl
 37 2011-05-19 00:08:53 <oneman> I missed the update
 38 2011-05-19 00:08:53 <sipa> metonymous_: fedora?
 39 2011-05-19 00:08:58 <metonymous_> sipa: yep
 40 2011-05-19 00:09:04 <sipa> they remove EC stuff because of patent issues
 41 2011-05-19 00:09:11 <luke-jr> oneman: yes
 42 2011-05-19 00:09:12 <ntosme2> hah!
 43 2011-05-19 00:09:13 <metonymous_> aren't addresses EC?
 44 2011-05-19 00:09:20 <metonymous_> so i built a separate openssl, with ec enabled
 45 2011-05-19 00:09:21 <sipa> ?
 46 2011-05-19 00:09:27 <metonymous_> and it still fails
 47 2011-05-19 00:09:36 <sipa> bitcoin addresses are hashes of the public key yes
 48 2011-05-19 00:09:38 <metonymous_> i figure i'm not *pointing* to it correctly
 49 2011-05-19 00:09:49 <metonymous_> SHA256(ECDSA(doobey)
 50 2011-05-19 00:09:57 <metonymous_> or ECDSA(SHA256(doobey
 51 2011-05-19 00:10:02 <metonymous_> the latter i think from memory
 52 2011-05-19 00:10:09 <sipa> what is that?
 53 2011-05-19 00:10:10 <metonymous_> aaaaanyway, i can't compile it! :(
 54 2011-05-19 00:10:28 <oneman> luke-jr, can't find a list of changes
 55 2011-05-19 00:10:29 <metonymous_> i think i have th compiler options wrong to tell it to use my custom compiled openssl
 56 2011-05-19 00:10:34 <jrmithdobbs> ther's patent issues in openssl? what?
 57 2011-05-19 00:10:42 <sipa> metonymous_: use -L
 58 2011-05-19 00:10:45 <metonymous_> ECDSA, i think someone has rights over it
 59 2011-05-19 00:10:45 <sipa> and -I
 60 2011-05-19 00:10:49 <ArtForz> no
 61 2011-05-19 00:10:52 <metonymous_> use -L librar,y -I include?
 62 2011-05-19 00:10:55 <ArtForz> just stupid paranoid distros
 63 2011-05-19 00:11:01 <metonymous_> it's not pure OSS?
 64 2011-05-19 00:11:07 <jrmithdobbs> ArtForz: ah
 65 2011-05-19 00:11:07 <sipa> of course it is
 66 2011-05-19 00:11:15 <sipa> but they are afraid of patent clains
 67 2011-05-19 00:11:16 <ArtForz> the EC patents do not cover a straightforward textbook impl
 68 2011-05-19 00:11:33 <ArtForz> just some optimizations which openssl doesn't use
 69 2011-05-19 00:11:47 <metonymous_> whats "fips" openssl?
 70 2011-05-19 00:12:06 <xelister> / memcpy(uninited, seed, 1024); // don't use. patented. also valgrid complains
 71 2011-05-19 00:13:26 <metonymous_> ./config enable-ed
 72 2011-05-19 00:13:49 <jrmithdobbs> xelister: lol
 73 2011-05-19 00:13:55 <jrmithdobbs> how is memcpy patented
 74 2011-05-19 00:14:10 <metonymous_> strcpy!?
 75 2011-05-19 00:14:56 <xelister> in the land of the brave
 76 2011-05-19 00:14:58 <xelister> in the land of the free
 77 2011-05-19 00:15:08 <xelister> even clicking BUY from inside application is patented
 78 2011-05-19 00:15:14 <xelister> but that is another topic
 79 2011-05-19 00:15:24 <metonymous_> one click purchase, damn amazon
 80 2011-05-19 00:15:30 <xelister> not just that
 81 2011-05-19 00:15:35 <xelister> there is another case read slashdot
 82 2011-05-19 00:15:41 <oneman> bitcoind no longer goes into the bg?
 83 2011-05-19 00:15:50 <sipa> oneman: use -daemon if you want it to
 84 2011-05-19 00:15:55 <oneman> ok
 85 2011-05-19 00:15:58 <metonymous_> fricken hell openssl takes a long time to compile
 86 2011-05-19 00:16:25 <metonymous_> dSmon
 87 2011-05-19 00:16:51 <metonymous_> d??mon
 88 2011-05-19 00:16:53 <metonymous_> found it!
 89 2011-05-19 00:17:03 <metonymous_> option+'
 90 2011-05-19 00:17:05 <metonymous_> on a mac
 91 2011-05-19 00:17:07 <oneman> sipa, great now there is even a newline after the starting message :D
 92 2011-05-19 00:17:16 <metonymous_> hehe, yays!
 93 2011-05-19 00:17:19 <metonymous_> :D
 94 2011-05-19 00:17:27 <metonymous_> i'll get u one of my testnet addresssss
 95 2011-05-19 00:23:11 <metonymous_> how do I pass "-L and -I" if there is no configure step...
 96 2011-05-19 00:23:38 <metonymous_> i'm doing it wrong...
 97 2011-05-19 00:23:39 <metonymous_> make -I/usr/local/ssl/ -f makefile.unix bitcoind
 98 2011-05-19 00:24:14 <jrmithdobbs> metonymous_: you have to edit the makefile or pass them in as part of CXXFLAGS and LDFLAGS
 99 2011-05-19 00:24:14 <metonymous_> nope make -I/usr/local/ssl/include/ -f makefile.unix bitcoind
100 2011-05-19 00:24:22 <metonymous_> ah, ok sweet
101 2011-05-19 00:25:01 <erbs> http://blogs.forbes.com/alexknapp/2011/05/17/d-wave-announces-commerically-available-quantum-computer/
102 2011-05-19 00:25:11 <nanotube> using python jsonrpc... i run "proxy = jsonrpc.ServiceProxy('http://myuser:mypass@127.0.0.1:8332')", using same user/pass as set in .conf with rpcuser= and rpcpassword=... but when i try any commands, i get 401 unauthorized...
103 2011-05-19 00:25:16 <erbs> d-wave has been panned as a sham by most of the quantum computing researchers
104 2011-05-19 00:25:18 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":7.4999,"low":6.6,"vol":25743,"buy":6.793,"sell":7.3,"last":7.3}}
105 2011-05-19 00:25:18 <jlewis> ;;bc,mtgox
106 2011-05-19 00:25:19 <nanotube> anyone have any suggestions?
107 2011-05-19 00:26:11 <metonymous_> HELL YEAH thanks jrmithdobbs
108 2011-05-19 00:26:34 <metonymous_> w00t, new error :D miniupnpc
109 2011-05-19 00:26:57 <jrmithdobbs> metonymous_: add USE_UPNP= to the end of the make command
110 2011-05-19 00:26:59 <erbs> nanotube, try setAuthentication(user, pass)
111 2011-05-19 00:27:03 <jrmithdobbs> metonymous_: blame bluematt for that
112 2011-05-19 00:27:14 <metonymous_> USE_UPNP=no ?
113 2011-05-19 00:27:17 <jrmithdobbs> no
114 2011-05-19 00:27:21 <jrmithdobbs> USE_UPNP=
115 2011-05-19 00:27:24 <metonymous_> lol
116 2011-05-19 00:27:27 <metonymous_> ok
117 2011-05-19 00:27:28 <metonymous_> :)
118 2011-05-19 00:27:32 <erbs> or just proxy = jsonrpc.ServerProxy("url", "user", "pass")
119 2011-05-19 00:27:41 <jrmithdobbs> he does ifdefs on it but sets it in the damned makefile to 0
120 2011-05-19 00:27:41 <metonymous_> can't linux use upnp?
121 2011-05-19 00:27:44 <metonymous_> or just not worth it
122 2011-05-19 00:27:52 <metonymous_> again thankyou jrmithdobbs
123 2011-05-19 00:27:55 <jrmithdobbs> metonymous_: requires miniupnp
124 2011-05-19 00:28:10 <jrmithdobbs> which isn't package for anything (though is a cool package, i use it for other stuff)
125 2011-05-19 00:28:10 <metonymous_> may as well install it... if it's easy
126 2011-05-19 00:28:18 <Dek> Hi guys im new. Have a question about mining. If you are providing, say (randomly), 1/10,000 the hashing rate of the entire network should you successfully complete 1/10,000th of the blocks?
127 2011-05-19 00:28:44 <jrmithdobbs> Dek: no
128 2011-05-19 00:28:59 <Dek> do the larger pools win out every block every time?
129 2011-05-19 00:29:07 <jrmithdobbs> no
130 2011-05-19 00:29:44 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Daniel Folkinshteyn * r38231132d612 supybot-bitcoin-marketmonitor/Market/plugin.py: Market: add spread to ticker display http://tinyurl.com/6evp97a
131 2011-05-19 00:29:46 <metonymous_> i hate BOOST
132 2011-05-19 00:29:48 <metonymous_> btw
133 2011-05-19 00:29:51 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r0cc02d50619c pushpool/msg.c: more precise reasons for work-not-in-log rejections http://tinyurl.com/67dey4p
134 2011-05-19 00:29:52 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik * r529dbfaa5c2b pushpool/configure.ac: Version 0.4.1. http://tinyurl.com/64guq4g
135 2011-05-19 00:29:54 <jrmithdobbs> Dek: your odds don't change based on history so if you have a 1/10000 chance of hitting you always have a 1/10000 chance of hitting regardless of history
136 2011-05-19 00:30:04 <Dek> sure i understand that
137 2011-05-19 00:30:09 <metonymous_> yay bournoli trials!
138 2011-05-19 00:30:34 <Dek> but is it fair between small and large pools, ie if you have 1/10,000 of the hash rate do you get 1/10,000th chance each time or is it less due to efficiency of pooling
139 2011-05-19 00:30:40 <Dek> what i am getting at is what is the likelyhood of a small solo miner completing blocks against massive pools. is it worth solo mining at all
140 2011-05-19 00:31:19 <jrmithdobbs> Dek: the question doesn't make sense from a statistics point of view. everyone has whatever odds their hardware gives them
141 2011-05-19 00:31:32 <jrmithdobbs> Dek: on every block, regardless of past
142 2011-05-19 00:31:33 <Dek> ok
143 2011-05-19 00:31:36 <justmoon> Dek: only downside of solo mining is that you're exposed to the randomness of getting your reward in a big chunk
144 2011-05-19 00:31:50 <metonymous_> frick... sorry to whinge about compiling but... "cannot find -lboost_thread"
145 2011-05-19 00:32:01 <metonymous_> it's installed via yum, "boost-thread"
146 2011-05-19 00:32:04 <Dek> ok answers my questions
147 2011-05-19 00:32:06 <Dek> appreciate it
148 2011-05-19 00:32:13 <jrmithdobbs> metonymous_: you forgot -devel
149 2011-05-19 00:32:23 <metonymous_> there isn't one, afaik
150 2011-05-19 00:32:43 <metonymous_> i guess i get it from source
151 2011-05-19 00:32:44 <jrmithdobbs> dunno don't use fedora
152 2011-05-19 00:32:52 <jrmithdobbs> good luck, boost takes ages to build
153 2011-05-19 00:33:10 <metonymous_> ta
154 2011-05-19 00:33:14 <erbs> ls /usr/lib/libboost_thread*
155 2011-05-19 00:33:28 <metonymous_> or i could just grab a rpm with it
156 2011-05-19 00:33:34 <luke-jr> OMG
157 2011-05-19 00:33:57 <metonymous_> erbs: ls: cannot access /usr/lib/libboost_thread*: No such file or directory
158 2011-05-19 00:33:59 <jrmithdobbs> ?
159 2011-05-19 00:34:05 <metonymous_> ?
160 2011-05-19 00:34:20 <jrmithdobbs> metonymous_: you sure you have it installed?
161 2011-05-19 00:34:42 <metonymous_> yeah, "boost-thread" musn't come with the libraries... devel would
162 2011-05-19 00:34:46 <erbs> yum install libboost-dev
163 2011-05-19 00:35:01 <erbs> or boost-devel
164 2011-05-19 00:35:03 <jrmithdobbs> metonymous_: it's gonna be in the -dev/devel pacakage: $ dpkg -S /usr/lib/libboost_thread.so
165 2011-05-19 00:35:06 <jrmithdobbs> libboost-thread1.42-dev: /usr/lib/libboost_thread.so
166 2011-05-19 00:35:22 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: ?
167 2011-05-19 00:35:50 <metonymous_> boost-thread.i686 : Runtime component of boost thread library
168 2011-05-19 00:36:08 <erbs> JACKPOT!
169 2011-05-19 00:36:18 <metonymous_> they're installed but...
170 2011-05-19 00:36:19 <metonymous_> grr
171 2011-05-19 00:36:34 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: https://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=6428.msg128785#msg128785
172 2011-05-19 00:36:42 <erbs> is this fedora? rpm -qa boost-thread.i686
173 2011-05-19 00:37:29 <metonymous_> returns nothing ! X\n588471
174 2011-05-19 00:37:36 <metonymous_> 64
175 2011-05-19 00:37:38 <luke-jr> whoa
176 2011-05-19 00:37:39 <luke-jr> 65 bit
177 2011-05-19 00:37:42 <luke-jr> that's awesome
178 2011-05-19 00:37:46 <metonymous_> lol XD
179 2011-05-19 00:37:47 <luke-jr> extra bit to spare
180 2011-05-19 00:37:50 <metonymous_> it's a flag
181 2011-05-19 00:37:53 <metonymous_> for awesome
182 2011-05-19 00:37:56 <metonymous_> it's always on
183 2011-05-19 00:38:16 <luke-jr> if it's always on, it isn't a bit!
184 2011-05-19 00:38:27 <erbs> err rpm -ql  boost-thread.x86_64
185 2011-05-19 00:38:32 <erbs> should tell you what it installed
186 2011-05-19 00:38:45 <metonymous_> ooh, ta
187 2011-05-19 00:39:11 <metonymous_> am i broken?
188 2011-05-19 00:39:13 <metonymous_> nope
189 2011-05-19 00:39:23 <erbs> on centos for some reason /usr/lib/libboost_thread.a is in boost-devel package
190 2011-05-19 00:39:36 <metonymous_> how'd u find that out?
191 2011-05-19 00:39:46 <erbs> i have that file
192 2011-05-19 00:39:56 <luke-jr> erbs: .a is only used for development
193 2011-05-19 00:40:03 <metonymous_> ok -> /usr/lib64/libboost_thread-mt.so.1.41.0
194 2011-05-19 00:40:09 <erbs> ahhh
195 2011-05-19 00:40:14 <metonymous_> does that mean it's just looing in the wrong spot
196 2011-05-19 00:40:18 <luke-jr> metonymous_: edit your makefile; change 'shared' or 'dynamic' to 'static'
197 2011-05-19 00:40:19 <metonymous_> *looking
198 2011-05-19 00:40:32 <metonymous_> how do u know it's static?
199 2011-05-19 00:40:37 <metonymous_> (just for my information)
200 2011-05-19 00:40:51 <luke-jr> err
201 2011-05-19 00:40:52 <erbs> you should have a libboost_thread.so somewhere too
202 2011-05-19 00:40:53 <luke-jr> I meant the opposite
203 2011-05-19 00:40:57 <metonymous_> lol
204 2011-05-19 00:40:59 <metonymous_> hehehe
205 2011-05-19 00:41:12 <luke-jr> -Bstatic => -Bdynamic
206 2011-05-19 00:41:17 <luke-jr> that will fix it
207 2011-05-19 00:41:17 <metonymous_> will do
208 2011-05-19 00:41:29 <luke-jr> tho you still need the -devel packages for headers probably
209 2011-05-19 00:41:31 <metonymous_> why can't i statically build boost-thread into the binary?
210 2011-05-19 00:41:38 <luke-jr> because static is bad
211 2011-05-19 00:41:41 <metonymous_> lol
212 2011-05-19 00:41:45 <luke-jr> otherwise, no idea
213 2011-05-19 00:41:47 <metonymous_> hehe
214 2011-05-19 00:41:50 <metonymous_> ok
215 2011-05-19 00:42:01 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: i don't get how that's useful for eligius
216 2011-05-19 00:42:04 <metonymous_> if it works though, thanks, cos building boost would have been a pain
217 2011-05-19 00:42:21 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: and i don't get what you're saying, heh
218 2011-05-19 00:42:25 <metonymous_> and FRICK we have same failure...
219 2011-05-19 00:42:26 <metonymous_> ok
220 2011-05-19 00:42:27 <metonymous_> restart
221 2011-05-19 00:42:40 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: cand you expound upon that? a purchaser could sign WHAT in the email message?
222 2011-05-19 00:42:43 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: it proves you own the address, so you can configure the pool
223 2011-05-19 00:42:53 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: they could sign the items and shipping address
224 2011-05-19 00:42:59 <luke-jr> to prove they sent the payment
225 2011-05-19 00:43:02 <jrmithdobbs> ok gotcha
226 2011-05-19 00:43:07 <jrmithdobbs> might want to add those to that post
227 2011-05-19 00:43:18 <metonymous_> luke-jr i've got .9 bTC in eligius for a long time, will it cash out or dissapaear?
228 2011-05-19 00:43:29 <jrmithdobbs> makes sense i was just having issues figuring out what data would be useful to sign ;P
229 2011-05-19 00:43:59 <ninjaneo> does the rpc call for getaccountaddress create an entry in the address book if that account name hasn't been used previously?
230 2011-05-19 00:44:08 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: think you skipped a couple sentences in your post due to your AH HA moent ;P
231 2011-05-19 00:44:11 <jrmithdobbs> moment
232 2011-05-19 00:44:11 <luke-jr> metonymous_: it will be paid when you reach 1 BTC or stop mining for a week
233 2011-05-19 00:44:18 <metonymous_> ah, ok, ta :)
234 2011-05-19 00:44:25 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: it's obvious from context? :p
235 2011-05-19 00:44:38 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: wasn't to me and i even read the rest of the thread first ;P
236 2011-05-19 00:44:44 <metonymous_> ther are two elgius? very cool
237 2011-05-19 00:44:49 <ninjaneo> because i noticed it returns an address.... even if i type something ridiculous like ifuckmonkies
238 2011-05-19 00:44:50 <luke-jr> metonymous_: yes
239 2011-05-19 00:45:03 <metonymous_> luke-jr: kudos on an awesome pool
240 2011-05-19 00:45:15 <luke-jr> metonymous_: kudos to 1RNUbHZwo2PmrEQiuX5ascLEXmtcFpooL :P
241 2011-05-19 00:45:22 <metonymous_> yay me! http://eligius.st/~artefact2/us/199wSt2qkkDUAJUch3kErP1NW3eLvNcowW
242 2011-05-19 00:45:30 <metonymous_> when was my last contgribute...
243 2011-05-19 00:45:44 <erbs> in soviet russia, you pay the pool...
244 2011-05-19 00:45:47 <luke-jr> I don't think anyone has made stats for that yet
245 2011-05-19 00:45:56 <Dek> are all the current pools custom coded or is there some generalized solution for private pooling?
246 2011-05-19 00:46:04 <luke-jr> Dek: parts are open
247 2011-05-19 00:46:07 <luke-jr> Dek: no full solution
248 2011-05-19 00:46:22 <metonymous_> i was thinking of making a pool, where u contribute, and get nothing.
249 2011-05-19 00:46:24 <metonymous_> i like it
250 2011-05-19 00:46:26 <Dek> lol
251 2011-05-19 00:46:28 <metonymous_> reckon it'll be successful?
252 2011-05-19 00:46:35 <metonymous_> it's like charity
253 2011-05-19 00:46:36 <metonymous_> to me
254 2011-05-19 00:46:37 <erbs> luke-jr: will you let users audit the proofs of work or not? otherwise you could be inflating the number of shares to reduce payouts
255 2011-05-19 00:47:11 <metonymous_> i think more displays should render as 913,899.84 ???BTC
256 2011-05-19 00:47:21 <metonymous_> it makes u feel more happy about small winnings
257 2011-05-19 00:47:26 <metonymous_> and angry about high fees
258 2011-05-19 00:47:46 <metonymous_> just my 20,000.00???BTC
259 2011-05-19 00:48:06 <erbs> interesting
260 2011-05-19 00:48:37 <nanotube> erbs: python-bitcoinrpc doesn't seem to have that method... and at any rate the constructor seems to have code to just parse the u/p out of the url.
261 2011-05-19 00:49:08 <metonymous_> luke-jr: dynamic didn't fix me compiler big :( i don't think, rather same error
262 2011-05-19 00:49:14 <metonymous_> make clean, remake
263 2011-05-19 00:49:27 <jrmithdobbs> Dek: all bits but the ui and payout logic are open
264 2011-05-19 00:49:27 <metonymous_> i'll see if i can work it out though... never bother
265 2011-05-19 00:49:28 <erbs> metonymous_, what libs do you have in lib64.. ls /usr/lib/lib64/libbost_thread*
266 2011-05-19 00:49:38 <erbs> *oost
267 2011-05-19 00:50:24 <metonymous_> well, firstly it's /usr/lib64, but /usr/lib64/libboost_thread-mt.a  /usr/lib64/libboost_thread-mt.so  /usr/lib64/libboost_thread-mt.so.1.41.0
268 2011-05-19 00:50:35 <metonymous_> what does "mt" mean
269 2011-05-19 00:50:41 <erbs> ahh.. you don't have the single threaded lib
270 2011-05-19 00:50:45 <erbs> thats thread safe
271 2011-05-19 00:50:50 <metonymous_> multithread
272 2011-05-19 00:50:51 <jrmithdobbs> Dek: you could piece together a working one assuming you're not doing something innovative like luke pretty quickly
273 2011-05-19 00:50:53 <luke-jr> erbs: people can already audit the proofs
274 2011-05-19 00:50:55 <metonymous_> can i just change the include?
275 2011-05-19 00:50:58 <metonymous_> to -mt?
276 2011-05-19 00:51:06 <Dek> ok I would like to try
277 2011-05-19 00:51:08 <erbs> you can probably safely update references to libboost_thread-mt
278 2011-05-19 00:51:15 <metonymous_> i'll try
279 2011-05-19 00:51:16 <jrmithdobbs> Dek: good luck
280 2011-05-19 00:51:24 <Dek> i am researching it on forums to try to find those pieces if you hav any leads you could pm me plz do
281 2011-05-19 00:51:27 <metonymous_> LOL # for boost 1.37, add -mt to the boost libraries
282 2011-05-19 00:51:29 <erbs> but seems weird you should also have the single thread version
283 2011-05-19 00:51:33 <Dek> i appreciate it
284 2011-05-19 00:51:35 <metonymous_> one line above where iw as
285 2011-05-19 00:51:38 <jrmithdobbs> Dek: the open pieces aren't secret.
286 2011-05-19 00:51:38 <metonymous_> ok
287 2011-05-19 00:51:41 <erbs> hehe
288 2011-05-19 00:51:41 <metonymous_> what should i look out for?
289 2011-05-19 00:51:57 <Dek> I can write whatever is missing given time
290 2011-05-19 00:52:05 <jrmithdobbs> Dek: pushpool and bitcoind. the rest you have to sort out yourself (and you will probably need to modify the open pieces to actually do what you want)
291 2011-05-19 00:52:08 <metonymous_> should i "-mt" all of the boosts? or just thread?
292 2011-05-19 00:52:10 <Dek> dont need to be as fancy as public pools
293 2011-05-19 00:52:24 <Dek> ok thanks
294 2011-05-19 00:52:25 <erbs> metonymous_: see what the next error is..
295 2011-05-19 00:52:37 <metonymous_> lol "cannot find -ldb_cxx"
296 2011-05-19 00:52:48 <erbs> im using boost 1.33
297 2011-05-19 00:52:50 <metonymous_> that's berekelyey?
298 2011-05-19 00:52:56 <jrmithdobbs> Dek: the docs on pushpool are awful so be prepared for code reads just got it running
299 2011-05-19 00:53:16 <erbs> thats dbxml i think
300 2011-05-19 00:53:18 <Dek> lol naturally I just found it and the readme is about 5 line slong
301 2011-05-19 00:53:23 <Dek> should be fun
302 2011-05-19 00:53:24 <metonymous_> i'll handhold u through pushpool for 3 BTC
303 2011-05-19 00:53:38 <jrmithdobbs> haha
304 2011-05-19 00:53:39 <Dek> o ya? too bad i need to set up pool to generate btc lol
305 2011-05-19 00:53:39 <metonymous_> xml? cxx? ok, sounds familiar
306 2011-05-19 00:53:49 <metonymous_> ok, 10USD
307 2011-05-19 00:53:52 <metonymous_> ok
308 2011-05-19 00:54:03 <erbs> yum install libdb-cxx.i686
309 2011-05-19 00:54:03 <metonymous_> 3BTC from ur first block
310 2011-05-19 00:54:05 <metonymous_> how's that sound
311 2011-05-19 00:54:09 <Dek> yeah id do that for sure
312 2011-05-19 00:54:13 <metonymous_> ta erbs, ur a legend
313 2011-05-19 00:54:26 <metonymous_> ok, let me compile bitcoind, then i'm urs
314 2011-05-19 00:54:39 <Dek> sure im ready to roll just let me know
315 2011-05-19 00:54:57 <metonymous_> erbs GRRR no such package
316 2011-05-19 00:54:58 <metonymous_> ok
317 2011-05-19 00:55:01 <metonymous_> time to earn money
318 2011-05-19 00:55:31 <jrmithdobbs> Dek: not to be a dick, but if you can build posix software don't wast your money
319 2011-05-19 00:55:47 <jrmithdobbs> Dek: and look at the db*.c files to figure out the schema
320 2011-05-19 00:55:54 <jrmithdobbs> Dek: that's all the "handholding" you need
321 2011-05-19 00:56:02 <jrmithdobbs> Dek: the deps are clearly listed in the readme
322 2011-05-19 00:56:02 <metonymous_> it took me 3 days, on and off
323 2011-05-19 00:56:07 <metonymous_> true
324 2011-05-19 00:56:36 <jrmithdobbs> metonymous_: it's taken you >30 min to build bitcoind too ;P
325 2011-05-19 00:56:52 <metonymous_> OI!
326 2011-05-19 00:56:57 <metonymous_> it's my first time
327 2011-05-19 00:57:00 <metonymous_> be gentle
328 2011-05-19 00:57:27 <erbs> usually ./configure takes care of it all
329 2011-05-19 00:58:32 <erbs> oh
330 2011-05-19 00:58:35 <erbs> yum install db4-devel
331 2011-05-19 01:03:02 <erbs> nanotube, i dunno.. seems like bas u/p or some config on the server is denying access
332 2011-05-19 01:03:11 <erbs> error_log might have some more info like bad permissions
333 2011-05-19 01:03:29 <nanotube> erbs: i think i found it. testnet pulls .conf from datadir, not from datadir/testnet, due to a (imho) bug.
334 2011-05-19 01:03:36 <erbs> ahh
335 2011-05-19 01:05:03 <nanotube> erbs: yep that was it.
336 2011-05-19 01:05:15 <jrmithdobbs> annoying bug
337 2011-05-19 01:06:56 <metonymous_> erbs: db4-devel already installed... gonna have to see what pacakges that would be in
338 2011-05-19 01:07:10 <metonymous_> db4-cxx exists
339 2011-05-19 01:07:23 <metonymous_> but it's installed already
340 2011-05-19 01:07:26 <metonymous_> how did i fix boost again?
341 2011-05-19 01:07:29 <metonymous_> oh yeah
342 2011-05-19 01:07:30 <metonymous_> mt
343 2011-05-19 01:08:19 <erbs> so you have /usr/lib(64)/libdb_cxx.so
344 2011-05-19 01:08:22 <jrmithdobbs> metonymous_: stop using fedora. wtf is up with changing names of standard libs
345 2011-05-19 01:08:36 <jrmithdobbs> well, standard-ish
346 2011-05-19 01:08:43 <metonymous_> fedora comes pre-installed... i'd be throwing away alot of work if i switched now :(
347 2011-05-19 01:09:04 <jrmithdobbs> and be able to do it all again in ~10 minutes using a not-broken build env
348 2011-05-19 01:09:13 <metonymous_> no, i mean my pool
349 2011-05-19 01:09:23 <metonymous_> i've got a private pool doin'
350 2011-05-19 01:09:33 <jrmithdobbs> don't see how you'd throw work away
351 2011-05-19 01:09:33 <metonymous_> all automated and rebooty safe checkin
352 2011-05-19 01:09:39 <metonymous_> i agree ubuntu would be nicer
353 2011-05-19 01:09:59 <jrmithdobbs> i wouldn't
354 2011-05-19 01:10:09 <metonymous_> ok then
355 2011-05-19 01:10:10 <jrmithdobbs> but infer what i'd recomend at random, that's fine
356 2011-05-19 01:10:14 <jrmithdobbs> ;P
357 2011-05-19 01:10:27 <metonymous_> true
358 2011-05-19 01:10:36 <metonymous_> my apologies for inferrence
359 2011-05-19 01:10:48 <jrmithdobbs> ok i'm done fuckin with pushpool tonight, i think i'm going to start the pale king finally
360 2011-05-19 01:10:57 <metonymous_> ?
361 2011-05-19 01:11:15 <jrmithdobbs> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pale_King
362 2011-05-19 01:11:41 <erbs> hmm1
363 2011-05-19 01:11:58 <metonymous_> erbs: there is no ./configure
364 2011-05-19 01:12:28 <jrmithdobbs> metonymous_: there is if you pull the right patches from git ;P
365 2011-05-19 01:12:36 <jrmithdobbs> autotools is coming! autotools is coming!
366 2011-05-19 01:12:38 <erbs> no worries its not using autoconf
367 2011-05-19 01:12:42 <metonymous_> a frick patches and patches
368 2011-05-19 01:12:44 <erbs> ahh
369 2011-05-19 01:12:49 <metonymous_> where's my "buildable" branch eh?
370 2011-05-19 01:12:53 <metonymous_> :\n588834
371 2011-05-19 01:13:00 <metonymous_> i kid i kid
372 2011-05-19 01:13:10 <jrmithdobbs> default branch builds fine :)
373 2011-05-19 01:13:21 <metonymous_> grrrrrr...... :@
374 2011-05-19 01:13:36 <erbs> luke-jr is a smart guy
375 2011-05-19 01:14:00 <Alexees> guys how do check my balance in luke pools ?
376 2011-05-19 01:14:14 <metonymous_> go to that url thingo
377 2011-05-19 01:14:24 <metonymous_> eligius.st/~artefact2/
378 2011-05-19 01:15:18 <Alexees> thanks let me check
379 2011-05-19 01:15:46 <jrmithdobbs> not hit a block since diff change it looks like :(
380 2011-05-19 01:16:04 <erbs> shit is difficult now
381 2011-05-19 01:16:30 <erbs> wrestling a bear
382 2011-05-19 01:17:04 <metonymous_> if i made a prebuilt binary linux pool server, how much dya reckon u could sell it for, eg. luke-jr has anyone offered to buy ur software to run a competitor? how much would t hey have to offfer?
383 2011-05-19 01:18:01 <jrmithdobbs> metonymous_: all his stuff but payout logic is open
384 2011-05-19 01:18:14 <jrmithdobbs> metonymous_: and the api/web stuff
385 2011-05-19 01:18:14 <luke-jr> metonymous_: no, and it wouldn't be a single binary
386 2011-05-19 01:18:36 <metonymous_> correct, but gui is the pincher
387 2011-05-19 01:18:42 <jrmithdobbs> metonymous_: gui is the easy part.
388 2011-05-19 01:18:42 <metonymous_> for the 'ensemble'
389 2011-05-19 01:18:43 <metonymous_> i guess
390 2011-05-19 01:18:47 <metonymous_> reheally
391 2011-05-19 01:19:19 <jrmithdobbs> metonymous_: yes the hard part is the payout logic and catching cheaters
392 2011-05-19 01:19:30 <metonymous_> ah
393 2011-05-19 01:19:42 <jrmithdobbs> metonymous_: and setting rates properly so you can actually run at a profit without ripping people off
394 2011-05-19 01:19:48 <erbs> luke-jr is a cool guy. lets bury the hatchet bro
395 2011-05-19 01:20:07 <jrmithdobbs> metonymous_: all of which luke does very well, tbqh
396 2011-05-19 01:20:18 <metonymous_> agreed
397 2011-05-19 01:20:41 <erbs> pools have to start publishing the work proofs of the entire pool, otherwise there's no way to know you're getting a fair share
398 2011-05-19 01:20:52 <erbs> any pool that refuses to do that would raise a flag to me
399 2011-05-19 01:20:58 <metonymous_> that's a huge db
400 2011-05-19 01:21:10 <metonymous_> that's if they are share based, no?
401 2011-05-19 01:21:20 <erbs> yeah its a few megs, and you only need to check a few thousand records to be 99% sure theres no significant fraud :)
402 2011-05-19 01:21:36 <luke-jr> erbs: all the proofs for my pool are accessible on request to trusted community members
403 2011-05-19 01:21:48 <erbs> cool
404 2011-05-19 01:21:49 <luke-jr> few megs? it's over 3 GB now
405 2011-05-19 01:22:01 <erbs> well youve done lots of blocks
406 2011-05-19 01:22:06 <luke-jr> about 1 GB per week, at 50 GH
407 2011-05-19 01:22:11 <metonymous_> is taht in mysql? isam?
408 2011-05-19 01:22:14 <luke-jr> MySQL
409 2011-05-19 01:22:21 <metonymous_> sweet
410 2011-05-19 01:22:24 <metonymous_> was wondering how it would cope
411 2011-05-19 01:22:25 <erbs> if you compress that down in a gz file?
412 2011-05-19 01:23:06 <metonymous_> -rw-rw-r--  1 ec2-user ec2-user  80M May 17 00:43 shares.log.1
413 2011-05-19 01:23:23 <metonymous_> but taht's not maximum compression
414 2011-05-19 01:24:42 <erbs> yeah that makes sense
415 2011-05-19 01:25:05 <jrmithdobbs> erbs: i have no doubt luke would show anyone who asks and isn't you tbqh
416 2011-05-19 01:25:27 <erbs> jrmithdobbs: has anyone actually checked hit?
417 2011-05-19 01:25:36 <jrmithdobbs> erbs: yes.
418 2011-05-19 01:25:43 <erbs> any independent party that is
419 2011-05-19 01:25:48 <jrmithdobbs> yes.
420 2011-05-19 01:25:53 <luke-jr> erbs: I'm not compressing.
421 2011-05-19 01:25:55 <erbs> who/when/where?
422 2011-05-19 01:25:56 <jrmithdobbs> now troll elsewhere
423 2011-05-19 01:26:11 <sacarlson> where does the ~./bitcoin dir default in windows?
424 2011-05-19 01:26:13 <erbs> so i should take your word for it
425 2011-05-19 01:26:14 <jrmithdobbs> erbs: give me deepbits proof of work.
426 2011-05-19 01:26:23 <jrmithdobbs> sacarlson: %apadata%\n588950
427 2011-05-19 01:26:28 <jrmithdobbs> erm appdata
428 2011-05-19 01:26:58 <sacarlson> jrmithdobbs: c:apadata ?
429 2011-05-19 01:27:17 <metonymous_> lol
430 2011-05-19 01:27:24 <metonymous_> c:documents and settingsMEApplication Data\n588960
431 2011-05-19 01:27:30 <metonymous_> %APPDATA%
432 2011-05-19 01:27:33 <metonymous_> it's a variable
433 2011-05-19 01:27:55 <erbs> i really have to wonder if any pool would offer up proofs in a dispute
434 2011-05-19 01:28:07 <erbs> since its by manual request only
435 2011-05-19 01:28:10 <EPiSKiNG> are difficulties projected via a 2 week timeframe?
436 2011-05-19 01:28:17 <sacarlson> metonymous_: thanks I'm new to the windows world here
437 2011-05-19 01:28:36 <metonymous_> no worries
438 2011-05-19 01:28:41 <metonymous_> we all start somewhere :)
439 2011-05-19 01:30:50 <erbs> orange julius
440 2011-05-19 01:31:24 <metonymous_> i HATE that money and FOSS are counterpoint :X
441 2011-05-19 01:31:35 <luke-jr> they aren't.
442 2011-05-19 01:32:10 <metonymous_> i don't want to run a server, i want to just develop servers
443 2011-05-19 01:32:20 <metonymous_> how do i make that *work*
444 2011-05-19 01:33:19 <metonymous_> sell the software t o people? but make it AGPL?
445 2011-05-19 01:33:44 <metonymous_> rely on being "newer" than their code?
446 2011-05-19 01:34:37 <bd_> metonymous_: Sell support.
447 2011-05-19 01:34:47 <metonymous_> there's an idea
448 2011-05-19 01:35:13 <metonymous_> sell the software as license? like redhat and them?
449 2011-05-19 01:35:21 <metonymous_> with support contracts or something?
450 2011-05-19 01:36:14 <erbs> http://www.slate.com/id/2294980/  btc is going to $10 bros!
451 2011-05-19 01:36:20 <bd_> metonymous_: Or just sell support contracts :)
452 2011-05-19 01:36:27 <metonymous_> :D
453 2011-05-19 01:36:38 <metonymous_> i reckon i could do that
454 2011-05-19 01:36:42 <metonymous_> but i'd have to prove myself first
455 2011-05-19 01:36:52 <metonymous_> i guess runnign a pool might deo that
456 2011-05-19 01:37:00 <bd_> Being the upstream developer often helps )
457 2011-05-19 01:37:01 <bd_> :)
458 2011-05-19 01:37:17 <metonymous_> hmmm
459 2011-05-19 01:37:52 <erbs> trying to use gmail in IE
460 2011-05-19 01:37:59 <erbs> completely broken...  Gmail requires ActiveX controls to be enabled
461 2011-05-19 01:38:15 <metonymous_> wa? lol :D
462 2011-05-19 01:38:20 <metonymous_> it probably uses chrome frame
463 2011-05-19 01:38:28 <metonymous_> an active x thingo that runs chrome in IE
464 2011-05-19 01:38:38 <Namegduf> Switch to using a less crappy browser, or at least let it do it for you. :P
465 2011-05-19 01:38:45 <metonymous_> heheh
466 2011-05-19 01:39:12 <erbs> i need to login to another acct and ff is already in gmail
467 2011-05-19 01:39:31 <erbs> fuck it. its now a trusted site
468 2011-05-19 01:39:41 <metonymous_> gmail supports 2 logins
469 2011-05-19 01:39:45 <metonymous_> just gotta activate it
470 2011-05-19 01:39:49 <metonymous_> i log into about 4 at once
471 2011-05-19 01:39:53 <metonymous_> mutlilogin
472 2011-05-19 01:39:54 <metonymous_> or
473 2011-05-19 01:39:55 <metonymous_> use chrome
474 2011-05-19 01:40:01 <metonymous_> and and use ingocnito
475 2011-05-19 01:40:03 <metonymous_> or if u like firefox
476 2011-05-19 01:40:14 <metonymous_> launch it with the command line parameter thaat shows the profile manager
477 2011-05-19 01:40:15 <Namegduf> erbs: They've stolen your thoughts!
478 2011-05-19 01:40:16 <metonymous_> then use a new profile
479 2011-05-19 01:40:32 <Namegduf> Never trust Google, they're spying on your thoughts and making you vote Democrat
480 2011-05-19 01:40:55 <erbs> dude
481 2011-05-19 01:41:07 <erbs> take off the tinfoil hat bro
482 2011-05-19 01:41:12 <erbs> google isn't that powerful (yet)
483 2011-05-19 01:41:42 <xelister> erbs: this article is a steaming pile of bullshit.  http://www.slate.com/id/2294980/
484 2011-05-19 01:43:16 <Namegduf> I object to that characterisation. I am *not* a hipster.
485 2011-05-19 01:43:26 <erbs> any PR in a major outlet tends to inflate the price
486 2011-05-19 01:43:31 <erbs> the content of the article is irrelevant
487 2011-05-19 01:43:44 <ninjaneo> LOL using bitcoins is like stealing art, is that what they are insinuating
488 2011-05-19 01:44:07 <erbs> thats a valid point i guess
489 2011-05-19 01:44:11 <xelister> "But today criminals might not need to resort to stealing old masters to facilitate their deals. They might use bitcoin, "
490 2011-05-19 01:44:16 <xelister> ok Im a criminal
491 2011-05-19 01:44:32 <xelister> 1000 BTC to have pack of drunk russian soliders beat up author of that article  ;)
492 2011-05-19 01:44:47 <phantomcircuit> ninjaneo, yes it is
493 2011-05-19 01:44:49 <erbs> both bitcoins and art can be laundered without being monitored by traditional bank / fraud systems
494 2011-05-19 01:45:19 <ninjaneo> so can wooden nickels
495 2011-05-19 01:45:22 <erbs> at a bank any transaction over >$10K is immediately reported to the IRS
496 2011-05-19 01:45:33 <phantomcircuit> erbs, 5kUSD
497 2011-05-19 01:45:44 <phantomcircuit> they changed it because of terrorists of kiddie porn
498 2011-05-19 01:45:47 <phantomcircuit> s/of/or/
499 2011-05-19 01:45:52 <erbs> (if you split up your payments to avoid detection thats called "structuring" and is a felony hehe)
500 2011-05-19 01:45:53 <phantomcircuit> one of those things i cant remember which
501 2011-05-19 01:45:58 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: or both depending on who you ask
502 2011-05-19 01:46:10 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: they were real fuzzy about the actual reasoning for the change
503 2011-05-19 01:46:13 <xelister> phantomcircuit: pedorists
504 2011-05-19 01:46:15 <Namegduf> xelister: There's someone offering hitman services with bitcoin?
505 2011-05-19 01:46:22 <Namegduf> Wait, wait, I haven't got my anonymous VPS setup yet
506 2011-05-19 01:46:27 <noagendamarket> what if you get 5 members of your family to each transfer 5000 ?
507 2011-05-19 01:46:30 <Namegduf> Nevermind that question for now
508 2011-05-19 01:46:35 <erbs> depending on the particular day of the week they might be blaming the potheads, gays, abortionists
509 2011-05-19 01:46:41 <xelister> lol Namegduf
510 2011-05-19 01:46:58 <phantomcircuit> xelister, lolol
511 2011-05-19 01:47:44 <Namegduf> I think the criminal problem is real and likely to increase, as a side effect of its design. But, hey, what happens happens.
512 2011-05-19 01:48:07 <jrmithdobbs> Namegduf: until they figure out it's not really anonymous anyways
513 2011-05-19 01:48:12 <jrmithdobbs> Namegduf: then we all get to have a good laugh.
514 2011-05-19 01:48:21 <erbs> the $5,000 is a suspicious activity report, but its not done automatically. its at the banks discretion
515 2011-05-19 01:48:46 <Namegduf> jrmithdobbs: There's ways to construct anonymous transactions, though, right?
516 2011-05-19 01:48:51 <Namegduf> Laundering, for example?
517 2011-05-19 01:49:20 <noagendamarket> you could get 50 runners to deposit in mt gox from 50 differnet banks
518 2011-05-19 01:49:48 <noagendamarket> $250 000 right there....
519 2011-05-19 01:50:01 <erbs> mtgox is cia bro
520 2011-05-19 01:50:05 <jrmithdobbs> Namegduf: money has to come in and exit to be useful. so no, not really. Not in a way that can't be found by traditional investigative techniques.
521 2011-05-19 01:50:10 <erbs> its a honeypot
522 2011-05-19 01:50:19 <erbs> j/k yo haha
523 2011-05-19 01:50:19 <jrmithdobbs> Namegduf: it'll take fbi/etc 10-20 years to catch up to the tech as usual of course
524 2011-05-19 01:50:30 <Namegduf> jrmithdobbs: Well yeah, the moment it enters and exits the system it becomes followable again
525 2011-05-19 01:50:45 <jrmithdobbs> Namegduf: no in the system it's followable. by design.
526 2011-05-19 01:51:03 <jrmithdobbs> Namegduf: blockexplorer.com have fun
527 2011-05-19 01:51:23 <erbs> given that irc is the home of "Anonymous" the nsa/cia have been monitored all irc traffic for a while looking for keywords
528 2011-05-19 01:51:37 <erbs> theyre monitoring the entire net now
529 2011-05-19 01:51:49 <jrmithdobbs> i still lol at the fact that anonymous seriously has fbi agents dedicated to them
530 2011-05-19 01:51:51 <EPiSKiNG> Tycho around?
531 2011-05-19 01:51:54 <Namegduf> Bin laden revenge jihad.
532 2011-05-19 01:51:55 <jrmithdobbs> talk about law enforcement not "getting" it
533 2011-05-19 01:51:56 <Namegduf> There we go.
534 2011-05-19 01:52:18 <EPiSKiNG> is there any way he could make the share results on the right more quickly updated?
535 2011-05-19 01:52:34 <jrmithdobbs> yes
536 2011-05-19 01:52:39 <jrmithdobbs> will he? who knows.
537 2011-05-19 01:52:52 <phantomcircuit> The most immediate risk, though, seems to be that Bitcoins will facilitate transactions for criminals, online poker players, tax-evaders, pornographers, drug dealers, and other unsavory types tired of carrying around a Vermeer.
538 2011-05-19 01:52:53 <phantomcircuit> rofl
539 2011-05-19 01:53:06 <phantomcircuit> really? because last i checked porn was legal and they used fucking banks
540 2011-05-19 01:53:20 <Namegduf> The only way it will facilitate porn is through easier micropayments
541 2011-05-19 01:53:28 <jrmithdobbs> haha
542 2011-05-19 01:53:35 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: slate.com
543 2011-05-19 01:53:39 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: are you really surprised?
544 2011-05-19 01:54:01 <erbs> the fbi is basically dealing mainly with child porn now
545 2011-05-19 01:54:12 <erbs> its the easiest crime to prosecute and gets them headlines
546 2011-05-19 01:54:20 <Namegduf> jrmithdobbs: I was under the impression you could run a laundry service which took payments and would send on payments to a specified address minus a fee
547 2011-05-19 01:54:38 <erbs> they dont have to do anything but sit in a dark room and fap to confiscated porn.. no risky operations like infiltrating a gang
548 2011-05-19 01:54:39 <Namegduf> jrmithdobbs: And that that could be designed to effectively provide good anonymisation
549 2011-05-19 01:54:46 <Namegduf> Although if the amounts are a giveaway, that's a problem.
550 2011-05-19 01:54:54 <Namegduf> And there needs to be enough traffic, etc.
551 2011-05-19 01:55:08 <erbs> i wouldnt be surprised if like 60% of the fbi budget is dealing with pornography
552 2011-05-19 01:55:10 <jrmithdobbs> Namegduf: you can obsfucate it but it it's tracable enough that people need to stop printing that it's anonymous.
553 2011-05-19 01:55:27 <Namegduf> Fair enough.
554 2011-05-19 01:55:46 <phantomcircuit> erbs, that's about right the official % was on /. not too long ago
555 2011-05-19 01:56:01 <erbs> interesting
556 2011-05-19 01:56:23 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: seriously?
557 2011-05-19 01:56:28 <phantomcircuit> erbs, not to mention the fbi will not respond to a cyber crime unless the damage is  300k USD
558 2011-05-19 01:56:34 <jrmithdobbs> i mean child porn is awful shit
559 2011-05-19 01:56:53 <Namegduf> Law enforcement IRT online stuff is far more pathetic than it should be.
560 2011-05-19 01:56:54 <jrmithdobbs> but are we out of murders and tax evasions and i missed it?
561 2011-05-19 01:57:24 <jrmithdobbs> Namegduf: ya, you should try being the one at the isp dealing with the idiots
562 2011-05-19 01:57:26 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, they dont even go after the people making or distributing it, just after the really obvious stuff
563 2011-05-19 01:57:36 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, i mena shit, 4chan is still online, that says enough to me
564 2011-05-19 01:57:37 <jrmithdobbs> Namegduf: they tried to take all our networking gear because they had a warrant for customer's colo box once
565 2011-05-19 01:57:42 <jrmithdobbs> Namegduf: fucking. retards.
566 2011-05-19 01:57:44 <erbs> most of the tiem they prosecute innocent families that post photo albums online with their toddler showin some "skin" or something
567 2011-05-19 01:58:44 <jrmithdobbs> Namegduf: was like whoa whoa hold up there buddy ... had to get lawyers involved
568 2011-05-19 01:58:47 <jrmithdobbs> retards
569 2011-05-19 01:58:50 <erbs> remember the fbi used to be run by j edgar hoover
570 2011-05-19 01:58:57 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
571 2011-05-19 01:58:57 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":7.4649,"low":6.6,"vol":25053,"buy":7.1111,"sell":7.198,"last":7.2}}
572 2011-05-19 01:58:59 <Namegduf> Ouch.
573 2011-05-19 01:59:00 <gjs278> sweet
574 2011-05-19 01:59:03 <gjs278> back above 7
575 2011-05-19 01:59:09 <phantomcircuit> price is stable
576 2011-05-19 01:59:12 <phantomcircuit> has been for days
577 2011-05-19 01:59:22 <xelister> erbs: you know what, that got me thinking
578 2011-05-19 01:59:29 <erbs> http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/04/29/1948242/Department-of-Justice-FBI-Too-Focused-On-Child-Porn
579 2011-05-19 01:59:33 <xelister> In the land of the brave
580 2011-05-19 01:59:35 <xelister> In the land of the free
581 2011-05-19 01:59:36 <xelister> everyone is looking all day for pedorists,
582 2011-05-19 01:59:38 <xelister> while TSA happily watching naked all-age turists.
583 2011-05-19 01:59:39 <xelister> 17 year olds can not stare at girlfriend's chest,
584 2011-05-19 01:59:41 <xelister> but it's ok for TSA officer to grope your doughter breasts.
585 2011-05-19 01:59:42 <xelister> No one will mind you feeding sand niggers with Bombs
586 2011-05-19 01:59:44 <xelister> just don't spend time online downloading unprotected songs.
587 2011-05-19 01:59:47 <jrmithdobbs> Namegduf: and they never wanted just a clone of a customers machine. we could have given them such a thing without the customer ever knowing. we offered. nope. they wanted the whole machine and/or harddrive
588 2011-05-19 02:00:04 <xelister> ...on the other hand I shouldnt think while tired&drunk >_>
589 2011-05-19 02:00:18 <jrmithdobbs> Namegduf: even though they don't have the resources to do anything more with the physical drive from the box than they would have with a clone.
590 2011-05-19 02:00:34 <erbs> for a while fbi has had access to all internet traffic.. with carnivore etc
591 2011-05-19 02:00:42 <Namegduf> xelister: Always wear a condom when downloading songs.
592 2011-05-19 02:01:01 <erbs> they can listen in on any phone call from a web browser
593 2011-05-19 02:01:21 <xelister> Namegduf: dick is the new TOR. Better confiscate all this rape-tools for possible criminals
594 2011-05-19 02:01:26 <jrmithdobbs> erbs: not entirely true
595 2011-05-19 02:02:11 <jrmithdobbs> love the recent publication of the fbi's justification for marking out the names of people participating in carnivore though
596 2011-05-19 02:02:20 <jrmithdobbs> "we redacted them so you wouldn't sue them" (to the aclu)
597 2011-05-19 02:02:27 <jrmithdobbs> that was seriously their response
598 2011-05-19 02:02:40 <jrmithdobbs> NO SHIT ASSHATS THEY WANTED THE FUCKIN DOCS SO THEY COULD SUE THEM
599 2011-05-19 02:03:36 <erbs> the book "Puzzle Palace" gives a nice history of wiretap spying in the US going back to the telegraph era... in every decade, the govt has had secret agreements with communications providers to listen in on all the traffic
600 2011-05-19 02:04:05 <jrmithdobbs> they're really mad about encryption
601 2011-05-19 02:04:13 <erbs> yeah
602 2011-05-19 02:04:20 <jrmithdobbs> only terrists and criminals use encryption obviously
603 2011-05-19 02:04:32 <xelister> triple AES... U MAD BRO? :-D
604 2011-05-19 02:05:08 <erbs> now the fad in homeland security is monitoring and data mining of all social network activity
605 2011-05-19 02:05:29 <erbs> using heuristics to identify the most "suspicious" ppl based on their social links
606 2011-05-19 02:05:45 <xelister> we should all like add Osama to Friends lolz
607 2011-05-19 02:05:59 <erbs> does he have a fb acct?
608 2011-05-19 02:06:05 <xelister> I rather doubt it
609 2011-05-19 02:06:10 <erbs> status: Dead
610 2011-05-19 02:06:15 <xelister> seing as he didnt had internet at all
611 2011-05-19 02:06:20 <Dek> it would be a memorial account now
612 2011-05-19 02:07:17 <xelister> Obsama
613 2011-05-19 02:07:31 <jrmithdobbs> erbs: and all that crap is based on that bunk gbgary retard's "research" lol
614 2011-05-19 02:07:36 <erbs> harhar
615 2011-05-19 02:07:38 <jrmithdobbs> hbgary
616 2011-05-19 02:07:44 <xelister> Biarrack Obsama
617 2011-05-19 02:08:42 <erbs> i think they stopped putting anything useful in vicodin
618 2011-05-19 02:08:48 <erbs> its like a complete placebo now
619 2011-05-19 02:08:53 <erbs> i dont feel a thing from it
620 2011-05-19 02:09:07 <xelister> emigrate from USA, move to some more free land?
621 2011-05-19 02:09:29 <jrmithdobbs> xelister: it's impossible to get a work visa anywhere decent as a us citizen
622 2011-05-19 02:09:38 <jrmithdobbs> without a phd and a sponsor
623 2011-05-19 02:09:39 <xelister> lol wat?
624 2011-05-19 02:09:40 <jrmithdobbs> seriously.
625 2011-05-19 02:09:44 <xelister> nigger please
626 2011-05-19 02:09:50 <jrmithdobbs> no i've tried
627 2011-05-19 02:09:53 <xelister> well take the money, arrive to EU, done
628 2011-05-19 02:10:07 <xelister> dont tell me wealthy person from USA cant move to EU?
629 2011-05-19 02:10:30 <jrmithdobbs> not and get a work visa and or perm residency
630 2011-05-19 02:10:30 <xelister> pl doesnt require visa
631 2011-05-19 02:10:31 <jrmithdobbs> no
632 2011-05-19 02:10:40 <xelister> pl doesnt require visa
633 2011-05-19 02:10:47 <xelister> just arrive "because" and thats it
634 2011-05-19 02:11:19 <jrmithdobbs> but then you have to live in poland
635 2011-05-19 02:11:27 <jrmithdobbs> who wants that
636 2011-05-19 02:11:51 <xelister> in many ways better then usa
637 2011-05-19 02:11:54 <jrmithdobbs> i said decent not awful
638 2011-05-19 02:12:01 <xelister> anyway, from PL you can easly travle everywhere eu
639 2011-05-19 02:12:16 <jrmithdobbs> xelister: doesn't matter if you can't get citizenship
640 2011-05-19 02:12:26 <xelister> jrmithdobbs: why?
641 2011-05-19 02:12:37 <jrmithdobbs> xelister: because most eu members wont let you stay for more than 3 months without it
642 2011-05-19 02:12:46 <xelister> jrmithdobbs: well ultimatelly you can get citenzenship, just stay in country for like a year, find some job and place to stay
643 2011-05-19 02:12:49 <erbs> http://mitworld.mit.edu/video/900   current understanding of ozone/nox/co2 pollution and its effect on global health
644 2011-05-19 02:12:53 <jrmithdobbs> xelister: i really have looked into this, i wasn't joking ;P
645 2011-05-19 02:12:58 <xelister> jrmithdobbs: bullshit
646 2011-05-19 02:13:08 <xelister> jrmithdobbs: well just don't ask them?
647 2011-05-19 02:13:26 <xelister> its not like with usafags chasing mexican "omg Im illllegall noooo senior KE PASA"
648 2011-05-19 02:13:35 <xelister> just stay in country and noone gives a flying fuck
649 2011-05-19 02:14:09 <erbs> On Wednesday afternoon, the official account of the U.S. Secret Service Tweeted the following message: "Had to monitor Fox for a story. Can't. Deal. With. The. Blathering."
650 2011-05-19 02:14:10 <erbs> haha
651 2011-05-19 02:14:19 <jrmithdobbs> xelister: go look at the actual reqs. what you're saying is true for eu citizens and people from nz and ca
652 2011-05-19 02:14:27 <jrmithdobbs> xelister: not us citizens.
653 2011-05-19 02:14:31 <jrmithdobbs> xelister: even in poland.
654 2011-05-19 02:14:34 <jrmithdobbs> xelister: just checked.
655 2011-05-19 02:14:35 <xelister> jrmithdobbs: and in real life people dont give a flying fuck
656 2011-05-19 02:14:36 <phantomcircuit> ;;bc,stats
657 2011-05-19 02:14:38 <gribble> Current Blocks: 125033 | Current Difficulty: 244139.48158254 | Next Difficulty At Block: 127007 | Next Difficulty In: 1974 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 10 hours, 50 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 278102.83417329
658 2011-05-19 02:14:45 <erbs> http://politics.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474979340658
659 2011-05-19 02:14:47 <xelister> just checked it
660 2011-05-19 02:14:56 <xelister> chief of police was mureder, nothing
661 2011-05-19 02:15:11 <xelister> police kidnaps people helps criminals hides evidence, nothing
662 2011-05-19 02:15:22 <xelister> no. one. will. care. at. all. about your stay in whatever
663 2011-05-19 02:15:45 <xelister> but im here just entire life, what do I know =)
664 2011-05-19 02:15:59 <jrmithdobbs> sounds like a great place to live.
665 2011-05-19 02:16:33 <xelister> simmilar noone will care anywhere in EU
666 2011-05-19 02:16:35 <xelister> think
667 2011-05-19 02:16:51 <xelister> you just crossborder and ha-ha you're now say in germany
668 2011-05-19 02:16:56 <erbs> they might care if you're muslim or a gypsy
669 2011-05-19 02:16:59 <xelister> who should 'deport' you and why
670 2011-05-19 02:17:03 <xelister> erbs: yeap.
671 2011-05-19 02:17:20 <xelister> they will care if you are "lower" like muslim,gypsy, african, etc
672 2011-05-19 02:17:32 <xelister> or chinese/vietnameas/etc
673 2011-05-19 02:17:35 <xelister> otherwise they do NOT.
674 2011-05-19 02:17:43 <jrmithdobbs> erbs: or american
675 2011-05-19 02:17:47 <xelister> jrmithdobbs: no
676 2011-05-19 02:17:50 <jrmithdobbs> erbs: they don't like us either.
677 2011-05-19 02:17:55 <xelister> jrmithdobbs: and how would anyone know where you are
678 2011-05-19 02:18:12 <xelister> have a chip up ur ass?
679 2011-05-19 02:18:40 <xelister> travel as tourists to Berlin, then wonder off, and unless you like go frenzy and kill 5 hookers with knifes, noone searches - why should they
680 2011-05-19 02:18:44 <xelister> and where
681 2011-05-19 02:19:22 <jrmithdobbs> being undocumented gets you none of the benefits that are the point of immigrating though?! i don't think you get the point.
682 2011-05-19 02:19:24 <xelister> you think police tracks every of hundreds thousands of non-eu tourists all day long everywhere? ;)  get real
683 2011-05-19 02:19:45 <xelister> stop thinking like usafag, ignore permits and all
684 2011-05-19 02:19:53 <erbs> dude i cant go to jail
685 2011-05-19 02:19:58 <erbs> i cant pee in public!
686 2011-05-19 02:20:24 <xelister> just do something. best have loads of money to start easy. once you anyway have job&house and are staying there just the right amount of time, apply for citenzenship
687 2011-05-19 02:20:45 <xelister> or just apply for dual citenzenship
688 2011-05-19 02:20:50 <jrmithdobbs> xelister: the places in eu worth living (aka, not third world like poland and most of eastern europe) do care.
689 2011-05-19 02:20:58 <jrmithdobbs> xelister: sorry you live in a shithole or something
690 2011-05-19 02:20:59 <xelister> lol what thirl world nigger
691 2011-05-19 02:21:28 <xelister> you can be perfectly happy, even more then usa here in pl
692 2011-05-19 02:21:32 <jrmithdobbs> us doesn't allow dual citizenship except for a few select countries. (canada and uk iirc, maybe a couple more)
693 2011-05-19 02:21:39 <sethsethseth> what is the cost of performing large scale DoS attacks?
694 2011-05-19 02:21:47 <xelister> with enough money to ignore corruption and all.  but its not like in russia
695 2011-05-19 02:21:56 <xelister> jrmithdobbs: lol your coujntry is so gay
696 2011-05-19 02:22:09 <jrmithdobbs> sethsethseth: free. piss off someone on irc and redirect your dns name once it starts.
697 2011-05-19 02:22:18 <xelister> sethsethseth: say what?
698 2011-05-19 02:22:32 <jrmithdobbs> sethsethseth: the wrong someone. obviously.
699 2011-05-19 02:22:59 <ninjaneo> lol
700 2011-05-19 02:23:06 <jrmithdobbs> quite serious
701 2011-05-19 02:23:11 <jrmithdobbs> you wouldn't be the first to do it.
702 2011-05-19 02:23:16 <sethsethseth> I mean if you wanted to pay someone who runs a botnet to do it
703 2011-05-19 02:23:32 <jrmithdobbs> why bother when you can just piss them off instead and get it for free?!
704 2011-05-19 02:23:38 <sethsethseth> lol
705 2011-05-19 02:23:40 <ninjaneo> if you buy cloud computing you can get access to gigabit on a per minute basis
706 2011-05-19 02:23:56 <erbs> floud conflutinG!
707 2011-05-19 02:23:58 <jrmithdobbs> sethsethseth: very cheap is the answer
708 2011-05-19 02:24:13 <jrmithdobbs> sethsethseth: especially considering the gains you're implying.
709 2011-05-19 02:25:08 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, lol i uh have never done that illegal activity before
710 2011-05-19 02:25:40 <ninjaneo> lol illegal activity
711 2011-05-19 02:26:04 <ninjaneo> i dont think dos is even illegal, its just making more requests than your server/computer can handle
712 2011-05-19 02:26:51 <erbs> doscossss
713 2011-05-19 02:27:38 <phantomcircuit> ninjaneo, it is, or at least that's how us courts have interpreted the law
714 2011-05-19 02:27:39 <erbs> dostime
715 2011-05-19 02:28:01 <ninjaneo> what the hell do they charge you with
716 2011-05-19 02:28:18 <erbs> doj reports that 70% of fbi budget devoted to investigating alpaca sock-based fraud
717 2011-05-19 02:28:21 <phantomcircuit> computer intrusion iirc
718 2011-05-19 02:28:44 <ninjaneo> lol wtf
719 2011-05-19 02:29:14 <ninjaneo> i dont see how dos classifies as unauthorized use, they need to recodify that shit
720 2011-05-19 02:30:25 <phantomcircuit> ninjaneo, any logical reading of the statute doesn't include ddos
721 2011-05-19 02:30:32 <phantomcircuit> however that's what they use and it sticks
722 2011-05-19 02:32:23 <erbs> **VAGINA IS DELICIOUS**
723 2011-05-19 02:33:49 <phantomcircuit> wat
724 2011-05-19 02:34:25 <jrmithdobbs> ninjaneo: the statutes they use for any computer crimes make almost 0 sense in context
725 2011-05-19 02:34:31 <jrmithdobbs> but they keep getting convictions anyways
726 2011-05-19 02:34:56 <jrmithdobbs> see: weev and the at&t shenanigans
727 2011-05-19 02:35:04 <Crash> Good evening fellows.
728 2011-05-19 02:35:06 <jrmithdobbs> (he pleaded out but w/e)
729 2011-05-19 02:35:26 <jrmithdobbs> they got charges based on unverified client-side irc logs.
730 2011-05-19 02:36:10 <jrmithdobbs> and charged him with unauthorized use for being an idiot on irc and accessing a publically available website
731 2011-05-19 02:36:17 <JoeCoolDesk> Test
732 2011-05-19 02:36:25 <jrmithdobbs> (ps weev is a faggot and deserves what he gets)
733 2011-05-19 02:36:37 <JoeCoolDesk> Why is weev a faggot?
734 2011-05-19 02:36:45 <jrmithdobbs> you obviously do not know weev
735 2011-05-19 02:36:53 <JoeCoolDesk> That's why I ask/
736 2011-05-19 02:36:55 <jrmithdobbs> haha
737 2011-05-19 02:37:00 <erbs> i really think the stuff theyre giving out as "vicodin" is really a placebo
738 2011-05-19 02:37:23 <JoeCoolDesk> I could have sworn I heard about bitcoin in 2006 or 2007, but the wiki says it was concieved in 2009
739 2011-05-19 02:37:30 <erbs> i remember back in the day vicodin worked.. i went to the dentist last week and got some, now it has no effect
740 2011-05-19 02:37:32 <JoeCoolDesk> So what might I have heard about?
741 2011-05-19 02:37:49 <oneman> hullo
742 2011-05-19 02:37:50 <jrmithdobbs> JoeCoolDesk: you read gibson's trash novels i assume
743 2011-05-19 02:38:07 <jrmithdobbs> i'm sorry, cyberpunk, aka trash novels
744 2011-05-19 02:39:18 <JoeCoolDesk> No, I read &T
745 2011-05-19 02:39:45 <JoeCoolDesk> When I was getting into freenet and crazy get rich quick schemes.
746 2011-05-19 02:39:59 <JoeCoolDesk> Pretty sure a bitcoin like service was involved.
747 2011-05-19 02:40:15 <jrmithdobbs> nope
748 2011-05-19 02:40:24 <jrmithdobbs> it's a fairly unique concept
749 2011-05-19 02:40:38 <JoeCoolDesk> Are people just investing in BTC hoping to get a payoff or are people here actively developing it into their payment processes?
750 2011-05-19 02:40:40 <noagendamarket> you probably heard about digicash
751 2011-05-19 02:41:05 <jrmithdobbs> or maybe egold
752 2011-05-19 02:41:09 <noagendamarket> or egold ,beanz,flooz,
753 2011-05-19 02:41:10 <jrmithdobbs> but neither are anything like btc
754 2011-05-19 02:41:29 <noagendamarket> they are all issued by a central company
755 2011-05-19 02:45:34 <JoeCoolDesk> Might have been egold
756 2011-05-19 02:45:44 <JoeCoolDesk> Something about being able to order free pizza or condoms or something.
757 2011-05-19 02:45:58 <jrmithdobbs> by which you of course mean drugs
758 2011-05-19 02:46:11 <Juffo-Wup> pizza, condoms, what else does one really need?
759 2011-05-19 02:46:12 <jrmithdobbs> because that's about all any of that was ever used for
760 2011-05-19 02:46:15 <Juffo-Wup> oh yeah drugs of course
761 2011-05-19 02:46:26 <JoeCoolDesk> No, I mean gift cards
762 2011-05-19 02:46:26 <Juffo-Wup> also people with whom to use the condoms
763 2011-05-19 02:46:33 <JoeCoolDesk> Like Xcox live
764 2011-05-19 02:47:02 <JoeCoolDesk> There was some weird process where you went through 5 different services.
765 2011-05-19 02:47:28 <jrmithdobbs> sounds like egold ya
766 2011-05-19 02:47:41 <jrmithdobbs> or liberty reserve for that matter, which is basically egold mkII
767 2011-05-19 02:51:45 <erbs> sharkowl
768 2011-05-19 02:55:55 <sacarlson> if you add more than one node with addnode=192.168.2.250,....   what do you use to separate the others or can you even add more than one with addnode?
769 2011-05-19 02:57:47 <jrmithdobbs> sacarlson: multiple -addnode= options
770 2011-05-19 02:58:25 <sacarlson> jrmithdobbs: oh ok, so same in config then just add more lines of addnode?
771 2011-05-19 02:58:30 <JoeCoolDesk> Are people just investing in BTC hoping to get a payoff or are people here actively developing it into their payment processes?
772 2011-05-19 02:58:47 <JoeCoolDesk> Someone's made at least 100,000 dollars.
773 2011-05-19 02:59:09 <wumpus> sacarlson: yes
774 2011-05-19 02:59:17 <sacarlson> JoeCoolDesk: personaly I think it would be cool for poker
775 2011-05-19 02:59:24 <sacarlson> wumpus: cool thanks
776 2011-05-19 03:00:39 <sacarlson> wumpus: cool that worked
777 2011-05-19 03:00:47 <wumpus> JoeCoolDesk: you'll find both kinds of people
778 2011-05-19 03:01:02 <erbs> towels
779 2011-05-19 03:01:02 <JoeCoolDesk> OK but who here is which?
780 2011-05-19 03:01:30 <wumpus> well as this is the developer channel, I guess we do more than wait around here :)
781 2011-05-19 03:02:05 <JoeCoolDesk> What are you guys working on specicially?
782 2011-05-19 03:03:49 <erbs> work sux
783 2011-05-19 03:03:55 <erbs> now im unemployed
784 2011-05-19 03:04:03 <sacarlson> JoeCoolDesk: at the moment I'm tring to get a multi crypto chain client to run on windows
785 2011-05-19 03:04:10 <wumpus> bitcoin-qt
786 2011-05-19 03:04:30 <JoeCoolDesk> Any BTC day traders?
787 2011-05-19 03:05:22 <sacarlson> JoeCoolDesk: I traded one time on mtgox with buy 1 btc at 0.75 and sold at 1.23  end of my play in day trading
788 2011-05-19 03:05:41 <Namegduf> I'm just crunching bitcoins because I'm bored.
789 2011-05-19 03:05:48 <Namegduf> Also I found out my old 55 BTC have value now
790 2011-05-19 03:05:52 <Namegduf> And am now interested
791 2011-05-19 03:05:53 <jp_larocque> What's the accepted way to get raw Bitcoin block data, like that published at http://blockexplorer.com/q/nethash?  Run a patched or forked Bitcoin client?
792 2011-05-19 03:06:00 <Namegduf> Decided to gamble $300 on seeing what the market does
793 2011-05-19 03:06:03 <jp_larocque> Assuming I'm paranoid enough to not want to trust a third-party web service.
794 2011-05-19 03:06:51 <sacarlson> jp_larocque: I asked him but he said his code wasn't open source
795 2011-05-19 03:07:02 <wumpus> JoeCoolDesk: most of them are in #bitcoin-otc
796 2011-05-19 03:07:53 <jp_larocque> I see references in the wiki and IRC logs to mystery RPC commands like "getblockbycount" and "dumpblock".
797 2011-05-19 03:08:06 <dynamitedane> hi can anyone help me with scoping a mining rig?
798 2011-05-19 03:08:11 <JoeCoolDesk> I have a PHP interface set up.
799 2011-05-19 03:08:14 <jp_larocque> Since the commands aren't top-seekrit I'm hoping there must be a public fork that implements these interfaces.
800 2011-05-19 03:08:20 <JoeCoolDesk> Anyone work with that?
801 2011-05-19 03:08:30 <wumpus> jp_larocque: didn't make it into the baseline version yet
802 2011-05-19 03:09:14 <jp_larocque> wumpus: Do you know of a public patch?
803 2011-05-19 03:09:20 <sacarlson> JoeCoolDesk: yes I have created an exchange in php
804 2011-05-19 03:09:44 <JoeCoolDesk> What kind of capital do you need for exchange?
805 2011-05-19 03:09:46 <wumpus> jp_larocque: I'm pretty sure there is one, either as pull request on github or on the forum
806 2011-05-19 03:10:22 <sacarlson> JoeCoolDesk: capital?  it trades usd, thai bhat, Weeds, btc
807 2011-05-19 03:10:45 <jp_larocque> Alright, I'll keep looking.  Thanks for the pointers.
808 2011-05-19 03:10:56 <dynamitedane> is there a specific mining chat room?
809 2011-05-19 03:11:03 <wumpus> jp_larocque: there's also sgornick's python bitcoin utils which you can use to dig into the data files
810 2011-05-19 03:11:22 <wumpus> jp_larocque: works outside the client
811 2011-05-19 03:11:39 <erbs> im mining vag
812 2011-05-19 03:12:09 <jp_larocque> That sounds interesting, but like it could be painful, periodically stopping the client to copy the safely data files.
813 2011-05-19 03:12:26 <JoeCoolDesk> scarlson, you're going to need some capital to buy someone's BTC, right?
814 2011-05-19 03:12:46 <sacarlson> JoeCoolDesk: I have 10 million weeds
815 2011-05-19 03:12:55 <JoeCoolDesk> Weeds refers to?
816 2011-05-19 03:13:07 <wumpus> jp_larocque: yeah, depends on what you're doing...
817 2011-05-19 03:13:40 <sacarlson> JoeCoolDesk: weeds is another cyrpto currency with trust based capital
818 2011-05-19 03:14:00 <jp_larocque> It wouldn't kill me to stop the client, I'd only need the raw data periodically and manually.
819 2011-05-19 03:14:12 <sacarlson> JoeCoolDesk: it's only experimental at this time
820 2011-05-19 03:14:20 <JoeCoolDesk> You trade for profit?
821 2011-05-19 03:14:38 <jp_larocque> Trying my hand at analysis and forecasting of things like hash rate and difficulty.
822 2011-05-19 03:14:44 <sacarlson> JoeCoolDesk: who me?  I'm not a trader
823 2011-05-19 03:14:54 <sacarlson> JoeCoolDesk: I'm a poker player
824 2011-05-19 03:15:12 <JoeCoolDesk> I only found one BTC poker site and it requires sign up
825 2011-05-19 03:15:29 <JoeCoolDesk> Can you get shut down, fined, sued or arrested for hosting a BTC site like a poker site?
826 2011-05-19 03:16:07 <sacarlson> well my windows version is mostly broken but it just got it's first 1.234 Weeds transaction confirmed
827 2011-05-19 03:16:27 <jp_larocque> JoeCoolDesk: Is it illegal in your jurisdiction?  Will you get caught?
828 2011-05-19 03:16:28 <sacarlson> did I tell you that windows sucks
829 2011-05-19 03:17:57 <JoeCoolDesk> I live in the US
830 2011-05-19 03:18:00 <JoeCoolDesk> So maybe
831 2011-05-19 03:18:12 <JoeCoolDesk> Everything is illegal here, depending on if they want you in jail or not.
832 2011-05-19 03:18:38 <sacarlson> JoeCoolDesk: my hope is to create a p2p poker playing client based on a crypto currency with it's software base around pokerth
833 2011-05-19 03:19:10 <sacarlson> JoeCoolDesk: no site and free
834 2011-05-19 03:19:32 <JoeCoolDesk> How far along are you?
835 2011-05-19 03:20:33 <sacarlson> JoeCoolDesk: not vary far I'm still working on the exchange part and need a windows based client to test the new network
836 2011-05-19 03:20:53 <JoeCoolDesk> How does a p2p client get its first peers?
837 2011-05-19 03:20:59 <JoeCoolDesk> Without a central server?
838 2011-05-19 03:21:09 <metonymous_> guesses random IPs
839 2011-05-19 03:21:14 <sacarlson> JoeCoolDesk: same way as bitcoin it is bitcoin
840 2011-05-19 03:21:25 <JoeCoolDesk> How does bitcoin do it?
841 2011-05-19 03:21:31 <metonymous_> IRC
842 2011-05-19 03:21:43 <JoeCoolDesk> So a central server then
843 2011-05-19 03:21:48 <metonymous_> indubitably
844 2011-05-19 03:21:49 <jp_larocque> So I found a patch that adds getblockbycount: http://yyz.us/bitcoin/patch.bitcoin-getblock
845 2011-05-19 03:21:57 <sacarlson> JoeCoolDesk: oh yes it has IRC and fall back to like 300 hardcoded address
846 2011-05-19 03:22:27 <JoeCoolDesk> How about bittorrent?
847 2011-05-19 03:22:51 <jp_larocque> Is it the case that if I have the history of block creation times, I can calculate the target value for each retargeting event, just as Bitcoin does?  Or is there more to it than that?
848 2011-05-19 03:23:59 <sacarlson> JoeCoolDesk: bittorrent starts from the base server were you get the torrent file and the torrent file contains a group of servers that support that torrent file
849 2011-05-19 03:24:23 <JoeCoolDesk> Trackerless even?
850 2011-05-19 03:27:17 <sacarlson> JoeCoolDesk: I thought torrents required trackers
851 2011-05-19 03:27:19 <jp_larocque> Or I guess target is a function of difficulty.
852 2011-05-19 03:27:46 <JoeCoolDesk> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_hash_table
853 2011-05-19 03:27:58 <JoeCoolDesk> I set up a bit torrent tracker on my server and this threw me off,.
854 2011-05-19 03:28:18 <metonymous_> it still needs peers
855 2011-05-19 03:28:28 <metonymous_> it then asks the "cloud" for stuff
856 2011-05-19 03:28:38 <metonymous_> u have to bootstrap ur connections somehow
857 2011-05-19 03:30:35 <erbs> DHTs are cool
858 2011-05-19 03:31:27 <metonymous_> i know it's somewhat esoteric - but i'd love to integrate either W.A.S.T.E or a waste type system straight into the bitcoin client
859 2011-05-19 03:31:36 <metonymous_> encrypted chat, encrypted file sharing
860 2011-05-19 03:31:41 <metonymous_> encrypted chatrooms
861 2011-05-19 03:31:52 <erbs> cool
862 2011-05-19 03:31:57 <jgarzik> jp_larocque: you want github/jgarzik/bitcoin.git#getblockbycount
863 2011-05-19 03:32:03 <jgarzik> adds getblockbycount and getblockbyhash
864 2011-05-19 03:32:15 <luke-jr> jgarzik: didn't you rename that to dumpblock?
865 2011-05-19 03:32:25 <jgarzik> luke-jr: there is a variant with either name
866 2011-05-19 03:34:47 <jp_larocque> jgarzik: Much obliged.
867 2011-05-19 03:35:22 <erbs> The EUs massive Project Indect, which weve discussed before, is going strong. Among other prerogatives, the initiative will require major telecomm companies to assist them in establishing automated data mining for mobiles, email, social networks, etc. If you send data to the EU, its going to get looked at by a computer, and if it sets off the wrong filter, a human will look at it
868 2011-05-19 03:35:24 <erbs> too.
869 2011-05-19 03:35:30 <erbs> http://singularityhub.com/2011/05/18/the-government-is-spying-on-you-through-facebook-right-now/
870 2011-05-19 03:36:37 <bonsaikitten> so now everyone tries to do it
871 2011-05-19 03:36:50 <bonsaikitten> i thought we condemned china for that ...
872 2011-05-19 03:40:51 <wumpus> it's not like us europeans don't condemn such ideas, it just doesn't seem to help getting them out of the heads of the control obsessed people running the show
873 2011-05-19 03:44:15 <wumpus> though  some draconian internet filtering proposal was rejected here in the Netherlands a short while ago, at least that's good news...
874 2011-05-19 03:46:24 <erbs> george orwell was rite
875 2011-05-19 03:48:05 <erbs> /. has a new article about bitcoin
876 2011-05-19 03:48:05 <wumpus> yeah seems politicians are using 1984 as a script to implement instead of a warning of bad things
877 2011-05-19 03:49:10 <jgarzik> Please test: 0.3.22 release candidate: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=8894.0
878 2011-05-19 03:50:00 <Namegduf> A browser-based miner... sounds like an easy way to get random people to donate electricity for silly rewards.
879 2011-05-19 03:50:10 <sacarlson> wow I just thought of another use for bitcoin software to create tickets as they do the same with bitcard so I can sell my services by selling people my cards that have the code they would use to deposit into my service,  again this would use a private chain
880 2011-05-19 03:51:25 <sacarlson> they must already have stuf like this like spend once cards to fill phones
881 2011-05-19 03:56:21 <metonymous_> heyo devs, i'm getting this bug https://forum.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4823.0 but with pushpool compilation
882 2011-05-19 03:56:26 <metonymous_> i'm using git, yeah
883 2011-05-19 03:56:36 <metonymous_> but i wanna know how to solve it, cos i've encountered it before
884 2011-05-19 03:56:57 <metonymous_> "use the tarbal" makes me angry and i crush puny humans
885 2011-05-19 03:58:26 <devon_hillard> anyone selling legally questionable entertainment chemistry sets for bitcoin?
886 2011-05-19 04:01:39 <grbgout> devon_hillard: try -otc
887 2011-05-19 04:02:31 <sacarlson> devon_hillard: nope your the first
888 2011-05-19 04:03:12 <devon_hillard> :p
889 2011-05-19 04:06:37 <devrandom> hi BlueMatt
890 2011-05-19 04:07:29 <grbgout> devon_hillard: seriously, -otc is the "Over The Counter" market place for bitcoins.  #bitcoin-otc
891 2011-05-19 04:07:48 <grbgout> devon_hillard: someone in there might be selling what you want, there is a Chemistry PhD in there, iirc.
892 2011-05-19 04:08:17 <devon_hillard> was just being euphemistic :p yes, I'm in otc
893 2011-05-19 04:08:20 <metonymous_> cat devrandom | grbgout
894 2011-05-19 04:09:01 <devrandom> :-D
895 2011-05-19 04:09:26 <metonymous_> :)
896 2011-05-19 04:09:50 <grbgout> devon_hillard: then ask Glyph_Melancholi, I believe he's the chemist ;)
897 2011-05-19 04:10:19 <grbgout> strip metonymous_ ; mount
898 2011-05-19 04:11:03 <devon_hillard> what is the present computational power of the network?
899 2011-05-19 04:11:10 <devon_hillard> ;;bc,help
900 2011-05-19 04:11:10 <gribble> Alias bc,24hprc, Alias bc,avgprc, Alias bc,bcm, Alias bc,blocks, Alias bc,btcex, Alias bc,btcguild, Alias bc,calc, Alias bc,calcd, Alias bc,channels, Alias bc,deepbit, Alias bc,diff, Alias bc,eligius, Alias bc,estimate, Alias bc,fx, Alias bc,gen, Alias bc,gend, Alias bc,googlerate, Alias bc,help, Alias bc,hextarget, Alias bc,interval, Alias bc,lukepool, Alias bc,mtgox, Alias (1 more message)
901 2011-05-19 04:11:42 <devon_hillard> ;;bc,estimate 65000
902 2011-05-19 04:11:42 <gribble> 270821.41185442
903 2011-05-19 04:12:22 <metonymous_> umount devrandom # OH HELL NO
904 2011-05-19 04:13:10 <devrandom> sha256sum devrandom | bitcoind > wallet.dat
905 2011-05-19 04:13:27 <devon_hillard> 3 TH/s?
906 2011-05-19 04:13:38 <mtrlt> http://bitcoin.sipa.be/ look there.
907 2011-05-19 04:24:02 <mtrlt> any ideas on how to test that my miner is working? i wanna make sure i have it working before i do more. it's getting 880khps so even testnet diff is high :/
908 2011-05-19 04:28:24 <wumpus> mtrlt: you could try it on a pool and see if shares are accepted
909 2011-05-19 04:29:01 <mtrlt> hm true. of course.
910 2011-05-19 04:31:24 <mtrlt> lol, one share still takes 1.5h on average
911 2011-05-19 04:32:25 <mtrlt> but i have a 6-core.. waking up seems slow today :P
912 2011-05-19 04:44:32 <lfm> mtrlt: you should get more than 880 on a 6 core I think
913 2011-05-19 04:45:52 <lfm> mtrlt: or is it 880 per core?
914 2011-05-19 04:45:53 <mtrlt> lfm: yea that value was for one core. and it's my very unoptimized miner :P
915 2011-05-19 04:46:13 <lfm> oh, you dont care for cpuminer?
916 2011-05-19 04:46:41 <mtrlt> i'm writing my own miner for fun
917 2011-05-19 04:46:54 <lfm> oh ok, good luck
918 2011-05-19 04:46:55 <mtrlt> cpuminer is like 3x faster
919 2011-05-19 04:47:22 <lfm> mtrlt: ya it should be
920 2011-05-19 04:50:50 <oneman> hello
921 2011-05-19 04:50:58 <oneman> any smart opencl folks here?
922 2011-05-19 04:51:16 <oneman> im trying to figure out if I am doing something interesting or not
923 2011-05-19 04:52:36 <oneman> ahh i just figured out im not