1 2011-05-23 00:00:02 <dissipate> erbs, who cares what the government thinks.
  2 2011-05-23 00:00:11 <dissipate> erbs, just take the bitcoins and run
  3 2011-05-23 00:00:19 <erbs> i agree
  4 2011-05-23 00:06:31 <jgarzik> erbs: it's mainly state regs that are a pain, and expensive
  5 2011-05-23 00:06:38 <jgarzik> erbs: $2-10k per state
  6 2011-05-23 00:06:44 <jgarzik> plus "surety bond"
  7 2011-05-23 00:08:59 <erbs> yeah jgarzik indeed
  8 2011-05-23 00:09:36 <erbs> states are usually 5 yrs behind the feds any way on that type of stuff.. and the feds aare probably 5 yrs away from caring about bitcoin
  9 2011-05-23 00:09:55 <erbs> i think you need a billion $ market for it to be worth scrutiny by any jurisdiction
 10 2011-05-23 00:10:21 <ninjaneo> is there anyone willing to send testnet coins? myAM24gdcxpJvfj9gRkKYqkHeoD9QsqMHU
 11 2011-05-23 00:11:46 <lizthegrey> how much opposition would there be to including something in the bitcoin client that in addition to the precomputed hash values/parameters, returned the raw skeleton of the block? what about being able to set the nonce/generation address values?
 12 2011-05-23 00:11:58 <lizthegrey> or would I be better off forking the code or reimplementing to get that kind of functionality?
 13 2011-05-23 00:12:49 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
 14 2011-05-23 00:12:49 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":7.44,"low":6.075,"vol":34673,"buy":7.104,"sell":7.2698,"last":7.37}}
 15 2011-05-23 00:12:54 <erbs> its up again
 16 2011-05-23 00:13:00 <erbs> interesting
 17 2011-05-23 00:13:45 <jgarzik> lizthegrey: what is a raw skeleton of a block?  'getwork' RPC returns the block header.
 18 2011-05-23 00:14:44 <lizthegrey> jgarzik: that wasn't completely clear to me when I was looking at it, but it's possible I missed something
 19 2011-05-23 00:15:19 <ninjaneo> is cpumining on testnet practical
 20 2011-05-23 00:15:29 <lizthegrey> I'm working on an experimental pool
 21 2011-05-23 00:15:32 <lizthegrey> in short, I want to be able to trust clients to generate their own work rather than relying upon me to generate work and farm it out to clients
 22 2011-05-23 00:15:39 <falafell> any of you guys know of some tool like msi afterburner that can scheduele different clocks at different times?
 23 2011-05-23 00:15:42 <jgarzik> ninjaneo: moderately.  depends on your goal :)
 24 2011-05-23 00:15:48 <falafell> my rig crashes when the sun comes up xD
 25 2011-05-23 00:15:51 <ninjaneo> a block or two =p
 26 2011-05-23 00:16:00 <jgarzik> lizthegrey: that would require substantial client modification
 27 2011-05-23 00:16:17 <lizthegrey> so that means I need to be able to verify that a client submitting a proof of work had set the pool's payment address as the recipient of the generation/transaction fees
 28 2011-05-23 00:16:43 <lizthegrey> jgarzik: yeah, I'd assumed as much. I'm fine with incurring that work.
 29 2011-05-23 00:17:34 <jgarzik> lizthegrey: not really.  the block header includes a hash of transactions (basically).  the block header does not include any payment addresses.  payment info for the block is stored in the special, first transaction called the coinbase TX.
 30 2011-05-23 00:17:51 <jgarzik> lizthegrey: the coinbase TX is then included the hash-of-transactions found in the block header
 31 2011-05-23 00:18:02 <lizthegrey> jgarzik: yeah, I saw that pushpool was just asking the local bitcoin client for getwork
 32 2011-05-23 00:19:10 <luke-jr> lizthegrey: that won't work for pools like Eligius
 33 2011-05-23 00:20:24 <lizthegrey> luke-jr: aware. I'm trying to implement a pool, not connect to an existing pool :)
 34 2011-05-23 00:20:49 <luke-jr> lizthegrey: pool-specific miners ftl
 35 2011-05-23 00:21:39 <lizthegrey> luke-jr: no, no modification to miners needed.
 36 2011-05-23 00:22:42 <lizthegrey> existing miner calls getwork against a new binary running locally, returns a result, new binary running locally sends the full block for verification.
 37 2011-05-23 00:22:58 <lizthegrey> so the basic getwork bit that miners use is not changed.
 38 2011-05-23 00:23:27 <luke-jr> lizthegrey: still pool-specific the way you're talking
 39 2011-05-23 00:23:36 <luke-jr> you've just divided the miner into 2 parts
 40 2011-05-23 00:23:56 <lizthegrey> sure, there's a component you'd need to run in addition to your regular miner.
 41 2011-05-23 00:24:24 <lizthegrey> I concede that. I think there are advantages that would make you want to install the extra component though.
 42 2011-05-23 00:24:55 <luke-jr> I'd just prefer it be done in a way that works for all pools ;)
 43 2011-05-23 00:26:03 <bitcoineer> hello
 44 2011-05-23 00:26:21 <bitcoineer> my client is not showing the updated blocl
 45 2011-05-23 00:26:31 <bitcoineer> its showing 125811
 46 2011-05-23 00:26:51 <[Tycho]> How many connections do you get ?
 47 2011-05-23 00:26:55 <bitcoineer> hence,the payment i got just now isnt reflecting there
 48 2011-05-23 00:27:03 <bitcoineer> 3 connections
 49 2011-05-23 00:28:16 <bitcoineer> current block is 125903
 50 2011-05-23 00:28:21 <phantomcircuit> bitcoineer, restart the client with an explicit -connect, the peer management is broken
 51 2011-05-23 00:28:24 <phantomcircuit> ;;bc,stats
 52 2011-05-23 00:28:25 <bitcoineer> but client isnt updating
 53 2011-05-23 00:28:26 <gribble> Current Blocks: 125903 | Current Difficulty: 244139.48158254 | Next Difficulty At Block: 127007 | Next Difficulty In: 1104 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 1 hour, 26 minutes, and 24 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 369820.37999348
 54 2011-05-23 00:28:51 <bitcoineer> i have gui
 55 2011-05-23 00:29:00 <bitcoineer> how do i start with -connect?
 56 2011-05-23 00:29:15 <phantomcircuit> bitcoineer, you start bitcoin from the cli
 57 2011-05-23 00:29:45 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, ps are you aware that the peer management code is like totally fucked?
 58 2011-05-23 00:29:56 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: yes it sucks
 59 2011-05-23 00:30:05 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at .129 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 24.7246072, is 26 years, 5 weeks, 2 days, 15 hours, 36 minutes, and 20 seconds
 60 2011-05-23 00:30:05 <ninjaneo> ;;bc,calcd .129 24.7246072
 61 2011-05-23 00:30:09 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, no i mean it's like there has been a regression or something
 62 2011-05-23 00:30:21 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: regressions, I'm not aware of
 63 2011-05-23 00:30:31 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: I don't recall any changes to that code recently
 64 2011-05-23 00:30:33 <phantomcircuit> it used to just take a little while but now if the first connect fails it'll simply never work
 65 2011-05-23 00:30:50 <bitcoineer> i still dont get how run in -connect mode
 66 2011-05-23 00:30:51 <bitcoineer> :(
 67 2011-05-23 00:30:57 <phantomcircuit> my client was stuck for a couple hours with a SYN_SENT to the same ip
 68 2011-05-23 00:31:08 <phantomcircuit> bitcoineer, windows or linux?
 69 2011-05-23 00:31:14 <bitcoineer> windows
 70 2011-05-23 00:31:19 <phantomcircuit> uh
 71 2011-05-23 00:31:37 <phantomcircuit> just keep restarting the client until it connects to someone
 72 2011-05-23 00:31:46 <bitcoineer> can i use bitcoind for -connect
 73 2011-05-23 00:31:47 <bitcoineer> ?
 74 2011-05-23 00:31:47 <phantomcircuit> restart, wait 30 seconds
 75 2011-05-23 00:32:13 <phantomcircuit> yes you can also use bitcoin.exe -connect=
 76 2011-05-23 00:32:42 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: it's doing worse than it used to?
 77 2011-05-23 00:32:48 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: even if you kill addr.dat?
 78 2011-05-23 00:33:00 <phantomcircuit> yeah
 79 2011-05-23 00:33:07 <phantomcircuit> maybe it's just bad luck on my part
 80 2011-05-23 00:33:19 <phantomcircuit> but it seems like there isn't any timeout at all for the first connect call
 81 2011-05-23 00:33:30 <jrmithdobbs> that code is a pretty huge clusterfuck but it doesn't seem quite that bad
 82 2011-05-23 00:33:57 <stuhood> wiping my address database and starting with -noirc worked well for me yesterday
 83 2011-05-23 00:33:59 <phantomcircuit> well i had it sitting with a single SYN_SENT for like 4 hours
 84 2011-05-23 00:34:34 <Namegduf> Damnit
 85 2011-05-23 00:34:38 <Namegduf> I buy and it stops going up.
 86 2011-05-23 00:34:44 <phantomcircuit> Namegduf, lol
 87 2011-05-23 00:34:46 <gasteve> how is it that the transaction hash for the generation transaction in block 0 on testnet and the real chain are the same?  the output address is different in those two transactions ...so, I guess the output address is not included in the transaction hash?  doesn't seem right
 88 2011-05-23 00:34:53 <phantomcircuit> Namegduf, did you even look at the bids/asks?
 89 2011-05-23 00:34:55 <Namegduf> Oh, whoops, wrong #bitcoin channel
 90 2011-05-23 00:35:25 <Namegduf> phantomcircuit: I didn't buy at its actual peak, its been bouncing around
 91 2011-05-23 00:35:39 <bitcoineer> will installing latest version rsolve this problem?
 92 2011-05-23 00:35:47 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: wonder if someone is seeding irc with bad nodes or something
 93 2011-05-23 00:35:50 <phantomcircuit> Namegduf, there's a couple of large sell orders at specific prices
 94 2011-05-23 00:35:59 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, that's entirely possible
 95 2011-05-23 00:36:14 <phantomcircuit> bitcoineer, nope it'll probably not help at all
 96 2011-05-23 00:36:17 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: someone finally putting their money where their mouth is, so to speak, in re: to the irc bootstrap dos
 97 2011-05-23 00:36:32 <Beremat> yeah, I think something's going on, I'm seeing 0 connections
 98 2011-05-23 00:36:37 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, im not so worried about an irc ddos
 99 2011-05-23 00:36:44 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: not ddos
100 2011-05-23 00:36:46 <phantomcircuit> just change it so irc defaults to being off
101 2011-05-23 00:37:06 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, really the problem is that the timeout for connect() should be like 0.5 seconds
102 2011-05-23 00:37:30 <phantomcircuit> Namegduf, you can buy btc from me, only 10k usd/btc
103 2011-05-23 00:37:33 <erbs> yogic thunder
104 2011-05-23 00:37:35 <jgarzik> main IRC channel on lfnet is consistently hitting max capacity, causing various problems
105 2011-05-23 00:37:47 <jgarzik> latest git uses #bitcoin00 - #bitcoin99
106 2011-05-23 00:37:54 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, you need lots of ips to run a scheme like that against the irc boosttrap, so yeah it is ddos ;)
107 2011-05-23 00:37:56 <jgarzik> but -dnsseed should avoid all that mess
108 2011-05-23 00:38:01 <Namegduf> Max capacity?
109 2011-05-23 00:38:11 <phantomcircuit> Namegduf, irc server has a limit
110 2011-05-23 00:38:16 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, who runs that server?
111 2011-05-23 00:38:20 <Namegduf> phantomcircuit: Weird. At what level?
112 2011-05-23 00:38:23 <phantomcircuit> the only channel on it is the bitcoin one
113 2011-05-23 00:38:35 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: lazslo (sp?)
114 2011-05-23 00:38:41 <phantomcircuit> Namegduf, it's dependent entirely on who runs the server
115 2011-05-23 00:38:46 <Namegduf> Server-wide limits make sense, but multiple channels wouldn't help with that.
116 2011-05-23 00:39:12 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: depends on what ircd the irc bootstrap is using, there's a bunch you can fool into handing out the wrong ip info to everyone except the client connecting
117 2011-05-23 00:39:15 <jgarzik> it is a channel-specific limit, not a server-wide limit.
118 2011-05-23 00:39:17 <Namegduf> phantomcircuit: Not really, the major IRCD software doesn't support a network administrator mandated channel size cap as a major feature, and basically no one has tried to set one.
119 2011-05-23 00:39:18 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, the irc boostrap is pretty stupid a simple php script that returns peers would be simple as hell and trivial to distribute, in fact i wrote one for another project i was working on, it took me like 5 minutes and handled about 10k concurrent requests
120 2011-05-23 00:39:27 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: u here?
121 2011-05-23 00:39:42 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: just requires ptr zone control and exploiting race conditions
122 2011-05-23 00:39:45 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: ;P
123 2011-05-23 00:39:51 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, yeah i know ident forgery, but that's like the first thing major networks disable
124 2011-05-23 00:39:53 <Schalk> Anyone here know a thing or two about linux?
125 2011-05-23 00:39:58 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: tinydns is just as trivial
126 2011-05-23 00:40:02 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: periodically.
127 2011-05-23 00:40:22 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, yeah but that'll end up being cached more regularly
128 2011-05-23 00:40:23 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: I was wondering if you would know how to make Xsession(gnome) load with the ATI drivers when load with vnc4server
129 2011-05-23 00:40:35 <Schalk> bitcoind is meant to work on linux right?
130 2011-05-23 00:40:46 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: a 60 second TTL is not a big deal
131 2011-05-23 00:40:48 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, not to mention is harder for people to setup, a php script would be trivially distributed for bootstrap by tons of people
132 2011-05-23 00:40:56 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: i got nodm loaded on :0 and i vnc into :1 which works for mining purposes... but the display itself (:1) isn't loaded with graphic drivers....
133 2011-05-23 00:40:57 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: the vast majority of requests are likely uncached, anyway
134 2011-05-23 00:41:39 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, att is definitely caching bitseed.bitcoin.org.uk
135 2011-05-23 00:41:45 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: i think dnsseed is the future
136 2011-05-23 00:41:48 <phantomcircuit> and comcast aggressively caches dns
137 2011-05-23 00:42:07 <phantomcircuit> every other p2p protocol uses webseeds with a single dnsseed
138 2011-05-23 00:42:11 <gjs278> 8.8.8.8
139 2011-05-23 00:42:13 <gjs278> 8.8.4.4
140 2011-05-23 00:42:14 <gjs278> remember them
141 2011-05-23 00:42:21 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: we just need a well controlled/defined way for people besides the owners of the zone to send updates so that they get added to the dns seed
142 2011-05-23 00:42:27 <phantomcircuit> gjs278, yeah screw that i run my own dns resolver, but still most people dont
143 2011-05-23 00:42:33 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: yep, and like every other p2p protocol, all we need is a single dnsseed
144 2011-05-23 00:42:40 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
145 2011-05-23 00:42:41 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":7.44,"low":6.075,"vol":36072,"buy":6.8701,"sell":6.9,"last":6.88}}
146 2011-05-23 00:42:46 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: yet without the webseeds
147 2011-05-23 00:42:53 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, lol then you just have the same problem, every ip on the planet would be added and it would take forever to connect
148 2011-05-23 00:43:08 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: vncing in sounds pointless
149 2011-05-23 00:43:09 <phantomcircuit> again the timeout on peer connections needs to be massively reduced
150 2011-05-23 00:43:11 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: hence the well controlled part of my statement
151 2011-05-23 00:43:18 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: why not use x11vnc instead if you're going to do that?
152 2011-05-23 00:43:22 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: or just ssh in
153 2011-05-23 00:43:23 <gjs278> use x11vnc is right
154 2011-05-23 00:43:23 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: not everyone should be able to get added to the dnsseed obviously
155 2011-05-23 00:43:28 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: i do both
156 2011-05-23 00:43:48 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: x11vnc is nice but it runs at a gigantic resolution
157 2011-05-23 00:43:52 <gjs278> so
158 2011-05-23 00:43:59 <gjs278> your vnc client can scroll
159 2011-05-23 00:44:10 <ninjaneo> ill paypal 2 usd for testnet coins
160 2011-05-23 00:44:14 <jrmithdobbs> vorlov: so tell the x server not to run at a gigantic resolution
161 2011-05-23 00:44:17 <jgarzik> jrmithdobbs: one set of dns seeds holds well known fallback nodes, and another set randomly squirts long-lifetime nodes into a tinydns file.  no need to manually ping zone owners.
162 2011-05-23 00:44:26 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, webseeds are easy as hell to implement and they discourage authorities seizing the dnsseed, since it's pointless
163 2011-05-23 00:44:54 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: why would you need graphics support anyhow? ssh is enough
164 2011-05-23 00:44:54 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: dns seeds are easy as hell to implement and they discourage authorities seizing the dnsseed, since it's pointless
165 2011-05-23 00:44:57 <phantomcircuit> also is it just me or is the mtgox depth of market chart REALLY slow
166 2011-05-23 00:45:08 <jgarzik> every bitcoin node carries an address database
167 2011-05-23 00:45:11 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, they're not that easy for normal users to implement
168 2011-05-23 00:45:21 <phantomcircuit> liek you cant throw up a tinydns on soem shit free host
169 2011-05-23 00:45:30 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: because its nice and it gives me the flexibility of calling my wife and asking her to check things for me when im not at home
170 2011-05-23 00:45:34 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: didn't know it was already grabbing long-lifetime nodes
171 2011-05-23 00:45:36 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: good to know
172 2011-05-23 00:45:55 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: but ssh can do the same thing
173 2011-05-23 00:46:16 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: every client having an address database is what leads to the shittiness phantomcircuit is bitching about in the first place though
174 2011-05-23 00:46:24 <jrmithdobbs> tbqg
175 2011-05-23 00:46:25 <jrmithdobbs> tbqh
176 2011-05-23 00:46:47 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: where a client gets stuck trying dead nodes over and over and over and never actually connecting
177 2011-05-23 00:46:47 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: u are right and i do that, and obviously running any X is enough for mining purposes, but i like it and its flexible for me
178 2011-05-23 00:46:51 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, lol im not bitching, i have no problem connecting, im just saying it's a shit design
179 2011-05-23 00:47:03 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: going back to my question, do u happen to know if there's a way to load the graphics drivers in a vnc X session
180 2011-05-23 00:47:13 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: yes, but if you have a phone with a ssh client you can just keep the miner running in screen
181 2011-05-23 00:47:16 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: didn't mean that in a derragotory way, i agree that the state of that code is not good
182 2011-05-23 00:47:22 <Diablo-D3> and then ssh to a box on your lan, and then ssh to your miner box from that
183 2011-05-23 00:47:22 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: i just disagree that a web seed is the answer ;P
184 2011-05-23 00:47:23 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, and actualyl the problem is more so that the client doesn't rapidly try new nodes, it tries them with a *HUGE* timeout
185 2011-05-23 00:47:36 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: erm, a vnc X session is _not_ X
186 2011-05-23 00:47:39 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: its a fake X
187 2011-05-23 00:47:42 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: use x11vnc
188 2011-05-23 00:47:43 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: ya looking at the code it doesn't explicitly set one
189 2011-05-23 00:47:47 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, which i suspect is actually forever
190 2011-05-23 00:47:50 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: which means it uses the system default
191 2011-05-23 00:47:55 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: okay i understand about vnc
192 2011-05-23 00:47:57 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: which is forever in a lot of cases
193 2011-05-23 00:48:00 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, yeah
194 2011-05-23 00:48:05 <jrmithdobbs> (or close enough to be pratically forever)
195 2011-05-23 00:48:11 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: now what did u meen keep the miner running w/ screen? u mean with the screen program?
196 2011-05-23 00:48:20 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: yes
197 2011-05-23 00:48:26 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, no it's literally forever on most linux boxes, SYN_SENT will wait forever
198 2011-05-23 00:48:38 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: screen lets you close the ssh connection without killing the miner
199 2011-05-23 00:48:52 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: can be adjusted system wide, but yes
200 2011-05-23 00:49:00 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: how do u do that w/ screen?
201 2011-05-23 00:49:03 <Schalk> Can I interupt?
202 2011-05-23 00:49:19 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, yes, but most linux systems have syscookies turned on, which effectively disables system wide timeouts
203 2011-05-23 00:49:44 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, there is a sysctl value that nominally controls the tcp connect timeout, but it doesn't actually do anything if syscookies is enabled
204 2011-05-23 00:49:50 <phantomcircuit> it's a pretty common pitfall
205 2011-05-23 00:49:56 <Schalk> I'm getting this error on my linux machine
206 2011-05-23 00:49:58 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: ssh in, run screen, run the program, press control-a control-d, exit, ssh back in, screen -r
207 2011-05-23 00:50:10 <Schalk> EXCEPTION: St9bad_alloc
208 2011-05-23 00:50:14 <Schalk> std::bad_alloc
209 2011-05-23 00:50:15 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: lemme try... maybe ill use that for other purposes ;-)
210 2011-05-23 00:50:21 <Schalk> bitcoin in ProcessMessage()
211 2011-05-23 00:50:24 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: this is basic screen usage, dude
212 2011-05-23 00:50:28 <phantomcircuit> Schalk, can you pastebin the entire output?
213 2011-05-23 00:50:34 <Schalk> Sure
214 2011-05-23 00:50:37 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: i've never been a screen user.... gotta be honest
215 2011-05-23 00:50:38 <Schalk> As well as OS?
216 2011-05-23 00:50:42 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: oh fun didn't know syncookies would disable that
217 2011-05-23 00:50:43 <phantomcircuit> Schalk, including the stuff right at the end of ~/.bitcoin/debug.log
218 2011-05-23 00:50:53 <Schalk> Ok will do
219 2011-05-23 00:50:54 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: best fucking tool ever
220 2011-05-23 00:50:57 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: the ghost of djb strikes again!
221 2011-05-23 00:50:59 <jrmithdobbs> ;P
222 2011-05-23 00:51:01 <phantomcircuit> lol
223 2011-05-23 00:51:06 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: always time to learn something new ;-)
224 2011-05-23 00:51:16 <jrmithdobbs> (more like: people poorly implementing djb's designs, but whatever)
225 2011-05-23 00:52:25 <gjs278> GETTHAT SHIT OUT OF HERE
226 2011-05-23 00:52:39 <gjs278> what can BlueMattBot do \n628654
227 2011-05-23 00:52:59 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: can u start screen directly into memory without having to ssh in and start in... i.e using it in an upstart script
228 2011-05-23 00:53:00 <vorlov> ?
229 2011-05-23 00:53:22 <Schalk> I'm in SSH how do I view a file?
230 2011-05-23 00:53:23 <gjs278> son I do not know what the hell that means
231 2011-05-23 00:53:26 <phantomcircuit> vorlov, yes, but it might be called by a different user
232 2011-05-23 00:53:26 <Schalk> Or get it to dump the file contents?
233 2011-05-23 00:53:32 <gjs278> Schalk cat filename
234 2011-05-23 00:53:34 <phantomcircuit> vorlov, (like root)
235 2011-05-23 00:53:35 <Schalk> thanks
236 2011-05-23 00:53:58 <vorlov> what if i su -u it when constructing my "start script" stanza...?
237 2011-05-23 00:54:03 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, btw it's less or a serious issue and more of a nuisance for people who dont understand how any of it works
238 2011-05-23 00:54:15 <gjs278> you still have to start X
239 2011-05-23 00:54:21 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: thats nonsensical, screen is in memory no matter what
240 2011-05-23 00:54:29 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: and it doesnt matter where you start it
241 2011-05-23 00:54:34 <Diablo-D3> vorlov: read the manpage
242 2011-05-23 00:54:39 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: u are right... my question was dumb
243 2011-05-23 00:54:40 <gjs278> you have to start X, enter your screen, run the mining commands
244 2011-05-23 00:54:41 <vorlov> sorry
245 2011-05-23 00:54:42 <vorlov> i get it now
246 2011-05-23 00:55:11 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: ugh, fixing this is nontrivial
247 2011-05-23 00:55:34 <Schalk> PhantomCircuit, can I trust you with my SSH
248 2011-05-23 00:55:39 <gjs278> no
249 2011-05-23 00:56:02 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, yeah my python implementation (which doesn't use twisted) the part which still really and truly doesn't work is keeping track of how many and which peers are connected
250 2011-05-23 00:56:06 <Diablo-D3> yeah what gjs278 said
251 2011-05-23 00:56:08 <Schalk> I only got there server yesterday, so it doesn't matter if it stuffs up somehow
252 2011-05-23 00:56:16 <phantomcircuit> Schalk, yeah probably
253 2011-05-23 00:56:19 <phantomcircuit> unless i get bored
254 2011-05-23 00:56:21 <phantomcircuit> hehe
255 2011-05-23 00:56:24 <Schalk> :P oj
256 2011-05-23 00:56:26 <Schalk> ok*
257 2011-05-23 00:59:48 <Schalk> http://pastebin.com/zxuGR5dC
258 2011-05-23 01:07:18 <vorlov> Diablo-D3: can you split the screen into the different screen sessions running?
259 2011-05-23 01:07:58 <gjs278> yes
260 2011-05-23 01:08:01 <gjs278> ctrl+a c
261 2011-05-23 01:08:21 <gjs278> ctrl+a n to move around them
262 2011-05-23 01:08:37 <vorlov> no i mean.... i did ctrl+a S
263 2011-05-23 01:08:42 <vorlov> cani  split it to more than two screens
264 2011-05-23 01:08:43 <vorlov> ?
265 2011-05-23 01:08:52 <gjs278> no idea, I never do that
266 2011-05-23 01:10:14 <Dekbit> what is the Failure detection threshold on deepbit?
267 2011-05-23 01:24:43 <vorlov> is there a screen argument to kill a session without actually going into the screen
268 2011-05-23 01:25:14 <[thor]> man screen
269 2011-05-23 01:26:38 <erbs> hyperpeen
270 2011-05-23 01:38:40 <bd_> vorlov: You could kill the screen process
271 2011-05-23 01:38:47 <bd_> screen -list => kill (pid)
272 2011-05-23 01:40:14 <erbs> sup brodog
273 2011-05-23 01:48:34 <grbgout> has something changed in the release candidate that affects connections (default port, maybe: 8333); I've only got 14 connected, when I usually have four to five times that.
274 2011-05-23 01:49:31 <Schalk> Hey Phantomcircuit
275 2011-05-23 01:50:13 <jgarzik> grbgout: hmmmm shouldn't have...
276 2011-05-23 01:54:45 <eianpsego> I just compiled rc3 and tried to run the binary -  I don't see it doing anything.  It is just sitting there.  Is there a way to generate verbose output/log info to see what is happening?
277 2011-05-23 01:55:36 <lfm> there is a debug.log
278 2011-05-23 01:55:44 <lfm> in the config dir
279 2011-05-23 01:57:43 <grbgout> I have my router forwarding to port 8333, as I recall that was the thing to do from some guide somewhere: the original FAQ on the bitcoin.org site, iirc.  I do not have that port set in the bitcoin.conf as the rpcport variable, and when I set it (think I should) it seemed to clobber my miner (connected to a pool) and cause problems with bitcoin itself (had to restart the server).
280 2011-05-23 01:57:49 <grbgout> sorry for the length
281 2011-05-23 01:58:04 <grbgout> s/think/thinking/
282 2011-05-23 01:58:24 <lfm> 8333 is the net port, the rpc port is different
283 2011-05-23 01:59:19 <grbgout> that explains why everything went haywire :)
284 2011-05-23 01:59:22 <grbgout> poclbm freaked out
285 2011-05-23 01:59:35 <grbgout> and it was connected to a pool --- not sure why that would have influenced it.
286 2011-05-23 01:59:51 <ramontayag> right room to ask questions to start bitcoin on ubuntu? I'm on ubuntu 11.04. Downloaded the latest client for linux. I chmod 755 the whole folder since it said there were permission problems. i then double clicked on the 32 bit version (since i am on a 32bit version of ubuntu). I can see bitcoin started in htop, but no gui pops up. what do i do?
287 2011-05-23 02:00:17 <grbgout> ramontayag: did you run bitcoin or bitcoind?
288 2011-05-23 02:00:19 <eianpsego> So I don't see the UI in ubuntu 11.04...wonder what is going on lol
289 2011-05-23 02:00:28 <ramontayag> bitcoin, not *d
290 2011-05-23 02:00:35 <AntiVigilante> I get an odd error
291 2011-05-23 02:00:43 <grbgout> ramontayag: well, that's about as helpful as I can be since I don't use the gui >_> sorry
292 2011-05-23 02:00:48 <AntiVigilante> EXCEPTION: 22DbRunRecoveryException
293 2011-05-23 02:01:00 <lfm> I think theres a problem in ubuntu 11.04 you need the latest RC version
294 2011-05-23 02:01:02 <ramontayag> oh ok :)
295 2011-05-23 02:01:12 <ramontayag> rc version of bitcoin?
296 2011-05-23 02:01:13 <eianpsego> lfm - I compiled rc3
297 2011-05-23 02:01:49 <eianpsego> lfm: I see the debug.log entries coming in, so I know it is working.
298 2011-05-23 02:02:16 <AntiVigilante> EXCEPTION: 22DbRunRecoveryException
299 2011-05-23 02:02:16 <eianpsego> lfm: I don't see the wxWidgets UI though
300 2011-05-23 02:02:48 <AntiVigilante> so why's it doing that?
301 2011-05-23 02:03:04 <lfm> eianpsego: ok maybe they dont have the rc working right yet, they may still be working on it
302 2011-05-23 02:05:00 <vorlov> guys, i have nodm installed.... but when i point it to my non root user to use the autologin feature of... it still loads nodm, but in the ps aux i see traces of gnome running as well
303 2011-05-23 02:05:12 <vorlov> whereas if i run it autologin as root (nodm) it doesn't show traces of gnome....
304 2011-05-23 02:05:32 <vorlov> mind u that when i use x11vnc i dont see any gnome interface....just the usual nodm
305 2011-05-23 02:05:41 <erbs> angus stoat
306 2011-05-23 02:06:08 <ramontayag> i guess i'll just install in it windows virtualbox :) thanks guys!
307 2011-05-23 02:06:25 <grbgout> oh well, as I recall it took a while to get my 50+ connections anyway.
308 2011-05-23 02:11:36 <erbs> aggrajjagg
309 2011-05-23 02:15:16 <erbs> dudemang
310 2011-05-23 02:17:26 <vorlov> anyone knows what makes gnome-powermanager and gnome-screensaver startup
311 2011-05-23 02:17:27 <vorlov> ?
312 2011-05-23 02:17:30 <vorlov> even tho gdm isnt running
313 2011-05-23 02:27:39 <eianpsego> The GUI problem with Ubuntu 11.04 is a problem with wxWidgets apparently - solution is to build the wxWidgets trunk (Solution described here: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=6299.20)
314 2011-05-23 02:29:30 <bk128> so has anyone here used FPGAs?  I saw the forum post
315 2011-05-23 02:29:59 <eianpsego> bk128: can you link me to the post if you still have it?
316 2011-05-23 02:30:18 <bk128> http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=fdea65dc3600baa73ef943e514103493&topic=2362.0;all
317 2011-05-23 02:30:24 <eianpsego> thx
318 2011-05-23 02:31:38 <bk128> sure
319 2011-05-23 02:34:35 <erbs> fpga is cool
320 2011-05-23 02:34:38 <erbs> but not cost effective
321 2011-05-23 02:35:22 <midnightmagic> structured ASIC might be cost-effective-r.
322 2011-05-23 02:35:42 <bk128> eh, with the power saving it might be cost effective, SASIC definitely is cost effective
323 2011-05-23 02:36:04 <midnightmagic> "sasic" still requires a minimum first-order.
324 2011-05-23 02:36:15 <midnightmagic> so once you're in, you're in.
325 2011-05-23 02:36:33 <midnightmagic> older-process ASIC might be cost-effective.
326 2011-05-23 02:37:37 <midnightmagic> and FPGA takes so long to pay itself off, it would surprise me indeed if someone were able to make a go of using an fpga array. (would they still be "better" by that order-of-magnitude after the next-gen GPU arrives?
327 2011-05-23 02:38:18 <jgarzik> I'd jump on sasic, if there was an easy route from HDL -> finished sasic + board
328 2011-05-23 02:38:40 <midnightmagic> i would jump on sasic if there were an easy route from HDL -> finished sasic. :)
329 2011-05-23 02:38:47 <erbs> whats new
330 2011-05-23 02:38:49 <jgarzik> midnightmagic: MOSIS?
331 2011-05-23 02:39:19 <midnightmagic> what fab lets you do a small first-order?
332 2011-05-23 02:39:34 <erbs> cheaper to pay ppl to run your gpu-miner
333 2011-05-23 02:39:59 <erbs> ie running a pool and skimming fees
334 2011-05-23 02:40:02 <lfm> midnightmagic: you know that block you only claimed 49.999... btc on? well there was a fee you missed on it too you know?
335 2011-05-23 02:40:51 <lfm> midnightmagic: so you sent 0.0100000001 btc to the great bitbucket in the sky altogether
336 2011-05-23 02:41:13 <jgarzik> midnightmagic: what is small?  I think MOSIS is 50-100?
337 2011-05-23 02:41:53 <midnightmagic> lfm: I specifically set my total to a hard-coded value, ignoring fees. besides the fee is generated already. my aim was to eliminate a ? value from ever coming into existence..
338 2011-05-23 02:42:01 <midnightmagic> jgarzik: ?! wtf? really?
339 2011-05-23 02:42:40 <jgarzik> midnightmagic: surf their website http://www.mosis.com/ start at 'New MOSIS Users'
340 2011-05-23 02:42:41 <midnightmagic> http://www.mosis.com/about/whatis.html huh, they're talking 40 there.
341 2011-05-23 02:43:51 <midnightmagic> well, I can do boards no problem.. I could've sworn when I looked at mosis they were a minimum of like 500 or so.. WELL COOL! :-)
342 2011-05-23 02:44:39 <gmaxwell> midnightmagic: why not claim 0?
343 2011-05-23 02:45:19 <midnightmagic> gmaxwell: because the smallest unit has colloquially become known at a "Satoshi" and I wanted to enshrine the real Satoshi's absence into the blockchain for all time.
344 2011-05-23 02:45:24 <midnightmagic> at => as
345 2011-05-23 02:45:37 <lfm> very zen
346 2011-05-23 02:45:52 <erbs> whats to stop someone from faking the timestamp on a block
347 2011-05-23 02:45:59 <erbs> setting it way into the future to get the difficulty lowered
348 2011-05-23 02:47:51 <gmaxwell> MOSIS looks pretty good!
349 2011-05-23 02:48:32 <lfm> erbs if its more than 2 hours off, it will be rejected
350 2011-05-23 02:48:38 <gmaxwell> It's a very bitcoin business model too.
351 2011-05-23 02:48:44 <midnightmagic> lfm: hrm. is the fee enshrined in the block? i don't see it in the raw block..
352 2011-05-23 02:48:48 <gmaxwell> Send your transaction in for it to be included in a block. :)
353 2011-05-23 02:49:10 <lfm> midnightmagic: the last txn in that block had a fee
354 2011-05-23 02:49:40 <midnightmagic> lfm: i can't find it in the raw block.
355 2011-05-23 02:49:51 <erbs> lfm: rejected by who? other miners would have an incentive to allow it so they extract more btc in less time
356 2011-05-23 02:50:09 <ntosme2> luke-jr: what's the story with the dashjr.org address?
357 2011-05-23 02:50:24 <lfm> midnightmagic: its a multi-output txn, total value 81.20
358 2011-05-23 02:50:35 <gmaxwell> And they have monthly fab runs with modern processes too.
359 2011-05-23 02:50:41 <luke-jr> what story?
360 2011-05-23 02:51:13 <lfm> block 124724, right?
361 2011-05-23 02:51:17 <midnightmagic> lfm: yeah..
362 2011-05-23 02:51:28 <ntosme2> when did you switch to the mining.eligius.st domain?
363 2011-05-23 02:52:06 <vorlov> guys
364 2011-05-23 02:52:20 <vorlov> do u get a segmentation fault trying to run byobu -d -m option
365 2011-05-23 02:56:53 <midnightmagic> lfm: in order to reject a fee, I'd have to txn it back to the one paying the fee wouldn't I.
366 2011-05-23 02:57:01 <erbs> ever if miners only set the time forward 2 hours, they can keep lowering the difficulty indefinitely...
367 2011-05-23 02:57:59 <nanotube> http://freedomwatch.uservoice.com/forums/16625-freedom-watch-show-ideas/suggestions/1778101-bitcoin <-- a few more votes, and we get a freedomwatch episode on bitcoin.
368 2011-05-23 02:58:03 <lfm> midnightmagic: nope, fees are just an amount left over between the inputs and the outputs of a txn. if you dont claim em, they go into the ether
369 2011-05-23 02:59:20 <midnightmagic> lfm: yeah but if I wanted to mine for free--no txn fees--then the fees would need to be txn'd back to the sender. could that not be done in the same block?
370 2011-05-23 03:00:01 <midnightmagic> so, "claim" the fee by paying myself the fee, and append a txn which pays it back to the pubkey of the sender..
371 2011-05-23 03:00:07 <lfm> midnightmagic: the only way to gather them up is in the coinbase txn, then you could send them back from there ya
372 2011-05-23 03:00:39 <midnightmagic> can the output of a transaction not be the input of another txn?
373 2011-05-23 03:01:22 <midnightmagic> yeah it looks like it because it processes txn in order of dependency
374 2011-05-23 03:02:00 <lfm> midnightmagic: ya, but fees arnt explicit outputs, they are just the excess bewteen the inputs and the oputputs
375 2011-05-23 03:03:02 <midnightmagic> hrm. so i guess..  there's no real point in putting it into a separate txn because you can just output it in the coinbase..
376 2011-05-23 03:03:03 <lfm> see txn -> http://blockexplorer.com/t/9MXr3RauYB has a fee 0.01. it is in your block
377 2011-05-23 03:03:06 <midnightmagic> but i wonder if it's possible..
378 2011-05-23 03:03:16 <midnightmagic> yeah I've been staring at that,.
379 2011-05-23 03:03:43 <jp_larocque> I would return payments unless you're okay with the money being lost forever.
380 2011-05-23 03:03:46 <midnightmagic> meh. then I say I wanted no fee for my sentimental block.
381 2011-05-23 03:03:55 <midnightmagic> jp_ it's too late, it's gone.
382 2011-05-23 03:04:02 <lfm> when you hard coded the coinbase, you bypassed or threw away the fee as well
383 2011-05-23 03:04:07 <jp_larocque> Think of automated systems that might send out money.  No person would ever see or spend returned money.
384 2011-05-23 03:04:17 <grbgout> hmm, I don't need to forward port 8332 if I want to connect a miner to a bitcoin node on my intranet, right?
385 2011-05-23 03:04:26 <jp_larocque> I wouldn't return payments*
386 2011-05-23 03:04:46 <lfm> yup too late, its gone
387 2011-05-23 03:04:55 <midnightmagic> i intended to simply refuse the fee actually, but I suppose the effort was clumsy.
388 2011-05-23 03:05:13 <midnightmagic> either way, one Satoshi never came into existence. :)
389 2011-05-23 03:05:44 <lfm> no big deal anyway, just a few extra cents lost to the entropy
390 2011-05-23 03:06:03 <erbs> gavin is satoshi ?
391 2011-05-23 03:06:10 <lfm> erbs nope
392 2011-05-23 03:06:12 <midnightmagic> now I'm going to build a bitcoind which pays fees back to the senders.
393 2011-05-23 03:06:48 <lfm> midnightmagic: hehe, ok, ya
394 2011-05-23 03:07:09 <jfksir> satoshi is actually billg - he doesn't want anyone to know
395 2011-05-23 03:07:10 <midnightmagic> and I'd tested it so carefully on testnet too. :)
396 2011-05-23 03:07:27 <lfm> hehe ya, not a lot of fees on testnet
397 2011-05-23 03:07:46 <midnightmagic> lfm: thanks for ruining my sentimentality! :-)
398 2011-05-23 03:08:14 <lfm> naw, not ruined, just an aspect you didnt antisipate
399 2011-05-23 03:09:14 <midnightmagic> well. perhaps not. but it does show the effort was clumsily and imperfectly executed. not worthy of my usual high standards.
400 2011-05-23 03:09:28 <midnightmagic> ha ha ha..
401 2011-05-23 03:09:48 <erbs> satoshi has cashed out his $3M
402 2011-05-23 03:10:08 <lfm> erbs why you say that?
403 2011-05-23 03:10:11 <erbs> enough to live off the interest ad infinitum
404 2011-05-23 03:11:03 <erbs> its a bad sign when the insiders cash out quickly, like the ceo of a company selling off all his shares
405 2011-05-23 03:11:15 <grbgout> nanotube: voted
406 2011-05-23 03:11:23 <nanotube> grbgout: o/  :)
407 2011-05-23 03:11:29 <grbgout> only 7 to go
408 2011-05-23 03:11:31 <phantomcircuit> erbs, uh the insiders have nto cashed out
409 2011-05-23 03:11:39 <nanotube> grbgout: no, 7 is how many votes you have left, it seems. :)
410 2011-05-23 03:11:45 <grbgout> O.o
411 2011-05-23 03:11:48 <nanotube> http://freedomwatch.uservoice.com/forums/16625-freedom-watch-show-ideas
412 2011-05-23 03:11:51 <lfm> i think we might have noticed a $3 million sell. unless he sold it privatly to some nutty investor
413 2011-05-23 03:11:51 <nanotube> grbgout: ^ overall rankings
414 2011-05-23 03:12:14 <grbgout> oh
415 2011-05-23 03:12:15 <grbgout> T_T
416 2011-05-23 03:12:39 <grbgout> I can't add more than 3?  That's the-gay.
417 2011-05-23 03:12:59 <lfm> ????
418 2011-05-23 03:13:11 <lfm> ^ more than 3 ?
419 2011-05-23 03:13:27 <grbgout> lfm: http://freedomwatch.uservoice.com/forums/16625-freedom-watch-show-ideas/suggestions/1778101-bitcoin?ref=title
420 2011-05-23 03:13:27 <midnightmagic> and why are you calling miners "insiders"?
421 2011-05-23 03:14:10 <grbgout> hmm, you think they monitor by IP on that site?
422 2011-05-23 03:14:26 <erbs> mtgox has dark pools and they do hundreds of thousands a week. not hard to dispose of $3 mil over a few months
423 2011-05-23 03:15:06 <lfm> how do you know how much is in the dark pools? Is MagicalTux telling random people now?
424 2011-05-23 03:15:14 <midnightmagic> jgarzik: is your board-fu not da best then? why wouldn't you be doing mosis too?
425 2011-05-23 03:15:30 <midnightmagic> erbs: so you're speculating then
426 2011-05-23 03:15:30 <phantomcircuit> erbs, 3 mil @ 6$ is a shitton of money
427 2011-05-23 03:15:43 <phantomcircuit> midnightmagic, of course he is
428 2011-05-23 03:16:01 <midnightmagic> yeah, i just want him to admit it
429 2011-05-23 03:16:15 <jgarzik> midnightmagic: I have contacts that can do this sort of thing, but $$$$$$$.  My own hardware-fu is low.  I can read HDL and hack it a bit, that's it.
430 2011-05-23 03:16:20 <erbs> admit that im not satoshi and dont record his every tx? lol
431 2011-05-23 03:16:34 <erbs> the profit incentive is obvious. hes sold a huge amount
432 2011-05-23 03:16:36 <lfm> phantomcircuit: no, he said $3 million, not 3 million btc
433 2011-05-23 03:17:20 <midnightmagic> jgarzik: i would be happier if I could design the low-level logic itself gate-by-gate.. but I guess that isn't done quite so much anymore.
434 2011-05-23 03:18:13 <jgarzik> midnightmagic: software was invented so that I wouldn't have to deal with hardware
435 2011-05-23 03:18:38 <jgarzik> midnightmagic: I want to write code, click 'Compile', and have a board w/ sASIC on it
436 2011-05-23 03:19:07 <lfm> or fpga
437 2011-05-23 03:19:31 <midnightmagic> =] i designed an entire simple-as-possible computer gate-by-gate for a class like.. 15 years ago. had a little instruction set on it, an ALU, communications bus. *snif* I loved that class so much..
438 2011-05-23 03:20:00 <jrmithdobbs> midnightmagic: they barely even teach that any more
439 2011-05-23 03:20:01 <gmaxwell> jgarzik: I'm pretty sure their a company that provide HDL -> hardware as a complete solution but it's very pricy.
440 2011-05-23 03:20:02 <jrmithdobbs> :(
441 2011-05-23 03:20:03 <lfm> midnightmagic: did you build it?
442 2011-05-23 03:20:03 <midnightmagic> i still have the design in my permanent archives. too bad it was done in logicworks. I'm not even sure logicworks even exists anymore.
443 2011-05-23 03:20:46 <midnightmagic> lfm: no, it would've required a huge number of nands. I simulated it though.
444 2011-05-23 03:21:05 <midnightmagic> i think the gate count was.. somewhere in the thousands anyway.
445 2011-05-23 03:21:18 <midnightmagic> jrmithdobbs: they don't eh? ah, more's the pity.
446 2011-05-23 03:21:19 <phantomcircuit> lfm, oh, yes that would be easy
447 2011-05-23 03:21:29 <phantomcircuit> lfm, but no 3 million usd isn't *that* much money
448 2011-05-23 03:21:32 <phantomcircuit> lfm, so i doubt it
449 2011-05-23 03:22:05 <lfm> there are people on the web with homebrew wirewrap computers and stuff they got running
450 2011-05-23 03:22:22 <lfm> their own design
451 2011-05-23 03:22:42 <gmaxwell> lfm: and then there are people building these things in minecraft...
452 2011-05-23 03:22:45 <phantomcircuit> lol the potato server
453 2011-05-23 03:22:50 <phantomcircuit> lfm, classics
454 2011-05-23 03:23:05 <lfm> well minecraft is just another simulation
455 2011-05-23 03:23:32 <phantomcircuit> does anybody know if the bignum size limitation in the script engine is permanent?
456 2011-05-23 03:23:35 <lfm> phantomcircuit: ya even 0.5 million btc we'd likely notice it seems
457 2011-05-23 03:23:40 <phantomcircuit> (it's limited to 31 bits + sign)
458 2011-05-23 03:23:58 <phantomcircuit> lfm, yeah it would be basically all of the first blocks which would be super obvious
459 2011-05-23 03:24:38 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Daniel Folkinshteyn * rbdf8530d7bc0 supybot-bitcoin-marketmonitor/GPG/helperscripts/bitcoin-otc-gpg-eauth-colloquy.applescript: GPG: add colloquy script for gpg eauth. Thanks pnicholson. http://tinyurl.com/4xmq84m
460 2011-05-23 03:24:45 <phantomcircuit> http://blockexplorer.com/b/50
461 2011-05-23 03:24:48 <phantomcircuit> so im guessing he isn't
462 2011-05-23 03:26:15 <midnightmagic> phantomcircuit: not necessarily, if he just sent the wallet(s) themselves out.
463 2011-05-23 03:26:45 <phantomcircuit> midnightmagic, true
464 2011-05-23 03:26:57 <phantomcircuit> im guessing he lost a bunch of them actually
465 2011-05-23 03:26:58 <phantomcircuit> lol
466 2011-05-23 03:27:35 <kika_> whats the name of the ati catalyst package for fedora 14 ?
467 2011-05-23 03:27:38 <lfm> jeez wouldnt that be a kick in the ass
468 2011-05-23 03:28:10 <jgarzik> kika_: there is one?
469 2011-05-23 03:28:25 <phantomcircuit> lfm, lol it really would
470 2011-05-23 03:28:51 <kika_> jgarzik: i have no idea, im just about to finish the fedora 14 installation, wondering where ill download the ati drivers for the 6990 card from, do you know?
471 2011-05-23 03:28:53 <phantomcircuit> also
472 2011-05-23 03:29:06 <phantomcircuit> the big nums in the script use an openssl specific bin format
473 2011-05-23 03:29:07 <kika_> jgarzik: what would be the recommened way to install catalyst for ati 6990 on fedora 14 ?
474 2011-05-23 03:29:12 <phantomcircuit> silly ness with the sign bit
475 2011-05-23 03:29:18 <jgarzik> kika_: I downloaded from AMD, and ran their install pkg
476 2011-05-23 03:29:32 <midnightmagic> yeah, I did that too..
477 2011-05-23 03:29:43 <kika_> jgarzik: okay ill do that, whats the fastest miner i can use on fedora 14 for my 6990 card? phoenix ?
478 2011-05-23 03:30:19 <lfm> any of the opencl are pretty close to the same, use whatever you like best
479 2011-05-23 03:30:31 <jgarzik> kika_: ask on #bitcoin-mining.  convention wisdom seems to be "sdk 2.1 for 5xxx, sdk 2.4 for 6xxx".  as for miner, poclbm is a favorite.
480 2011-05-23 03:30:47 <jgarzik> kika_: but it's money in your pocket, it's worth it to check...
481 2011-05-23 03:30:53 <jgarzik> kika_: play around with aticonfig too
482 2011-05-23 03:31:00 <midnightmagic> is poclbm as fast as the phatk kernel yet?
483 2011-05-23 03:31:14 <kika_> jgarzik: uhmm do you think ill need to install many dependencies to get poclbm working on fedora 14 ?
484 2011-05-23 03:31:22 <jgarzik> midnightmagic: depends on the GPU, I think
485 2011-05-23 03:31:36 <Diablo-D3> midnightmagic: no, but mine is
486 2011-05-23 03:31:44 <jgarzik> kika_: I only needed ati driver, ati sdk, icd reg, pyopencl, poclbm
487 2011-05-23 03:31:48 <Diablo-D3> assuming we're talking about phatk on 2.4 on the few machines it actually wins
488 2011-05-23 03:31:56 <Diablo-D3> phatk on 2.1 does nothing.
489 2011-05-23 03:31:59 <jgarzik> kika_: just did a F14 setup for my 2x5870 rig
490 2011-05-23 03:32:23 <kika_> jgarzik: so you installed icd reg, pyopencl via? .tar.gz ? packages?
491 2011-05-23 03:32:24 <Diablo-D3> on my 5850@765, -v 3 -w 128 on sdk 2.4 does 300, vs -v 2 -w 128 doing 300 on 2.1
492 2011-05-23 03:32:28 <Diablo-D3> its like fucking magic
493 2011-05-23 03:32:48 <jgarzik> kika_: tarball.  I imagine someone has packaged it somewhere, but I didn't google around.
494 2011-05-23 03:33:09 <jfksir> Diablo-D3: i'm running a 5850 - it was going 330 for a day then it decided to go only 300
495 2011-05-23 03:33:13 <jfksir> i'm still confused
496 2011-05-23 03:33:14 <jgarzik> kika_: just followed this, which is non-pkg install: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=1334.msg45364#msg45364
497 2011-05-23 03:33:22 <Diablo-D3> jfksir: windows?
498 2011-05-23 03:33:26 <jfksir> yeah
499 2011-05-23 03:33:34 <kika_> jgarzik: ok thxs ill do that too
500 2011-05-23 03:33:36 <Diablo-D3> I noticed a nasty problem when I finally got around to testing it
501 2011-05-23 03:33:45 <Diablo-D3> I ran it on windows like 2 days ago
502 2011-05-23 03:33:50 <Diablo-D3> shortly after I made a commit
503 2011-05-23 03:33:53 <Diablo-D3> -f now defaults to 30
504 2011-05-23 03:33:58 <Diablo-D3> because vista/7 suck dick
505 2011-05-23 03:35:13 <kika_> do you guys had any luck with clonezilla to clone linux systems?
506 2011-05-23 03:35:49 <Diablo-D3> I just use rsync while booted from a livecd
507 2011-05-23 03:35:52 <phantomcircuit> kika_, eh i just dd
508 2011-05-23 03:36:03 <Diablo-D3> rsync -avHxAX /old /new
509 2011-05-23 03:36:04 <Diablo-D3> bam
510 2011-05-23 03:36:06 <Diablo-D3> phantomcircuit: dont
511 2011-05-23 03:36:12 <Diablo-D3> that copies the entire filesystem as is
512 2011-05-23 03:36:18 <phantomcircuit> yes im aware
513 2011-05-23 03:36:22 <Diablo-D3> including all fragmentation and everything
514 2011-05-23 03:36:28 <Diablo-D3> and its also not sized right for the target partition
515 2011-05-23 03:36:28 <kika_> phantomcircuit: what if the hard disk are different size?
516 2011-05-23 03:36:28 <phantomcircuit> yes im aware
517 2011-05-23 03:36:38 <Diablo-D3> kika_: use my command instead
518 2011-05-23 03:36:38 <phantomcircuit> kika_, resize2fs
519 2011-05-23 03:37:24 <kika_> Diablo-D3: i need to clone a whole system
520 2011-05-23 03:37:26 <Diablo-D3> do you know how old my debian install is?
521 2011-05-23 03:37:28 <Diablo-D3> its like 8 years.
522 2011-05-23 03:37:31 <Diablo-D3> kika_: yes, so?
523 2011-05-23 03:37:31 <kika_> plus the partition table
524 2011-05-23 03:37:35 <Diablo-D3> ahh
525 2011-05-23 03:37:36 <phantomcircuit> lol
526 2011-05-23 03:37:38 <Diablo-D3> thats kind of pointless
527 2011-05-23 03:37:43 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, -a, --archive               archive mode; equals -rlptgoD (no -H,-A,-X)
528 2011-05-23 03:37:46 <phantomcircuit> notice anything?
529 2011-05-23 03:37:49 <kika_> or almost i need to create a valid booteable linux
530 2011-05-23 03:37:57 <Diablo-D3> phantomcircuit: -a has added things in the past few years
531 2011-05-23 03:38:04 <Diablo-D3> Ive been using this command for, literally, 8 years
532 2011-05-23 03:38:21 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, not what i meant
533 2011-05-23 03:38:29 <Diablo-D3> phantomcircuit: and notice -a doesnt include v and x
534 2011-05-23 03:38:35 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, not what i meant
535 2011-05-23 03:38:42 <Diablo-D3> you misread it
536 2011-05-23 03:38:45 <Diablo-D3> it doesnt say you cant use HAX
537 2011-05-23 03:38:49 <Diablo-D3> it just doesnt include them
538 2011-05-23 03:38:52 <phantomcircuit> hehe
539 2011-05-23 03:38:54 <phantomcircuit> hax
540 2011-05-23 03:38:58 <Diablo-D3> yes, HAX
541 2011-05-23 03:39:04 <phantomcircuit> ITS A JOKE
542 2011-05-23 03:39:06 <phantomcircuit> jebus
543 2011-05-23 03:39:11 <Diablo-D3> IT WAS FUNNY 8 YEARS AGO
544 2011-05-23 03:39:22 <Diablo-D3> I moved the v over in my command just to avoid it
545 2011-05-23 03:39:31 <phantomcircuit> lol
546 2011-05-23 03:39:35 <kika_> so if i have a 80 Gb that has a 10Gb linux partition on it
547 2011-05-23 03:39:38 <kika_> and i have another empty hard disk
548 2011-05-23 03:39:47 <kika_> thats 160 Gb in size
549 2011-05-23 03:39:50 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, why -x?
550 2011-05-23 03:40:04 <kika_> whats the recommended way to clone the linux system on the 80gb disk to the 160gb disk?
551 2011-05-23 03:40:18 <kika_> i want the system to be booteable
552 2011-05-23 03:40:21 <Diablo-D3> kika_: recreate the partition table and rsync the roots.
553 2011-05-23 03:41:03 <kika_> Diablo-D3: i need to do it over the network, basically i can go changing physically the hard disks between the pcs, thats why i was thinking clonezilla might help
554 2011-05-23 03:41:09 <kika_> *i cant go
555 2011-05-23 03:41:20 <Diablo-D3> you can rsync over networks
556 2011-05-23 03:41:34 <Diablo-D3> but you need two livecds and the rsync daemon running on the target box
557 2011-05-23 03:41:56 <midnightmagic> dump/restore works okay too.
558 2011-05-23 03:41:59 <kika_> Diablo-D3: i see and how do i recreate the partition table on the 160 gb disk?
559 2011-05-23 03:42:11 <erbs> sup bro
560 2011-05-23 03:42:14 <kika_> Diablo-D3: gparted?
561 2011-05-23 03:42:30 <kika_> Diablo-D3: wondering how to make it booteable too
562 2011-05-23 03:42:52 <Diablo-D3> gparted
563 2011-05-23 03:42:57 <Diablo-D3> set the partition as bootable
564 2011-05-23 03:43:03 <Diablo-D3> and then use the livecd to install grub or w/e
565 2011-05-23 03:43:29 <erbs> now that satoshi has sold his bitcoin for millions hes like the directv opulence guy and is probably surrounded by mini-lap-giraffes
566 2011-05-23 03:44:29 <lulzplzkthx> Where do I get a vhost on this server? :\n629477
567 2011-05-23 03:44:42 <phantomcircuit> lulzplzkthx, #freenode, ask
568 2011-05-23 03:44:46 <lulzplzkthx> Thanks.
569 2011-05-23 03:44:57 <kika_> Diablo-D3: thats all? so on the second pc, i gparted it, the rsync the / then grub it, thats your recommended way to clone linux systems over the network?
570 2011-05-23 03:45:23 <phantomcircuit> kika_, that'll work, but it'll be slow
571 2011-05-23 03:45:40 <kika_> phantomcircuit: yes i know, so what do you recommend?
572 2011-05-23 03:46:23 <phantomcircuit> kika_, how much space is actually used on the system you want to copy from?
573 2011-05-23 03:46:39 <kika_> 4gb
574 2011-05-23 03:46:53 <phantomcircuit> kika_, do you have a dvd? lol
575 2011-05-23 03:47:00 <kika_> i want to be able to copy that 10Gb partition to disks of any sizes and make those disks to boot the 10Gb partition linux
576 2011-05-23 03:47:13 <kika_> phantomcircuit: yes i have a dvd
577 2011-05-23 03:48:10 <phantomcircuit> well what i would do is make a tarball of the target system, compress it, then write a small initramfs to write that out from the dvd to the hdd of any system it's booted on
578 2011-05-23 03:50:24 <kika_> phantomcircuit: k thxs
579 2011-05-23 03:52:27 <Diablo-D3> kika_: yes.
580 2011-05-23 03:52:39 <Diablo-D3> phantomcircuit: btw
581 2011-05-23 03:52:40 <Diablo-D3> you do fail.
582 2011-05-23 03:52:47 <Diablo-D3> rsync already compresses
583 2011-05-23 03:52:54 <Diablo-D3> and a dvd is not 10gb big
584 2011-05-23 03:53:11 <Diablo-D3> its also slower than gbit ethernet
585 2011-05-23 04:01:14 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, he said there's only 4gb of actual space being used
586 2011-05-23 04:01:19 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, lrn2read
587 2011-05-23 04:01:37 <erbs> gigaboat
588 2011-05-23 04:01:52 <phantomcircuit> also what shitty dvd burner is slower than 1 gbps?
589 2011-05-23 04:02:18 <erbs> australian banks are offering 7% interest
590 2011-05-23 04:02:31 <phantomcircuit> lol
591 2011-05-23 04:02:49 <noagendamarket> heh
592 2011-05-23 04:03:18 <noagendamarket> aussies can pick up btc cheaply because the currency is strong at the moment
593 2011-05-23 04:03:31 <BlueMattBot> jaromil did you mean me? Unknown command 'pong'
594 2011-05-23 04:03:31 <jaromil> BlueMattBot: pong
595 2011-05-23 04:03:32 <BlueMattBot> Use 'BlueMattBot: help' to get help!
596 2011-05-23 04:03:38 <jaromil> BlueMattBot: help
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598 2011-05-23 04:03:40 <jaromil> ahahah
599 2011-05-23 04:03:46 <BlueMattBot> s [<job>|-v <view>] - show the status of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs
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601 2011-05-23 04:03:53 <jaromil> meh
602 2011-05-23 04:03:59 <phantomcircuit> dude...
603 2011-05-23 04:04:02 <jaromil> just wanted to answer bluematt
604 2011-05-23 04:04:05 <jaromil> sry
605 2011-05-23 04:04:10 <jaromil> goodmorning phantomcircuit :)
606 2011-05-23 04:04:20 <vorlov> guys do u get segfault out of byobu on ubuntu? trying to run the -d -m args
607 2011-05-23 04:04:25 <phantomcircuit> jaromil, oh snap it's morning
608 2011-05-23 04:04:27 <phantomcircuit> hehe
609 2011-05-23 04:04:28 <jaromil> this bot is new
610 2011-05-23 04:04:29 <jaromil> phantomcircuit: yea
611 2011-05-23 04:04:30 <jaromil> ahahahah
612 2011-05-23 04:04:48 <lfm> what is byobu?
613 2011-05-23 04:05:13 <jaromil> however, re: launchpad group on bitcoin - yes i found it a month ago and subscribed, nothing really on it but some rare bugreports about how things don't work on ubuntu
614 2011-05-23 04:05:26 <jaromil> told them wx2.9 needs be from svn but no response
615 2011-05-23 04:06:29 <Diablo-D3> [02:01:14] <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, he said there's only 4gb of actual space being used
616 2011-05-23 04:06:44 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, although i am wrong about the gbps
617 2011-05-23 04:06:52 <Diablo-D3> then he can just rsync to an image, close the image, and burn it
618 2011-05-23 04:06:53 <phantomcircuit> thought dvd burners were faster than that
619 2011-05-23 04:06:59 <Diablo-D3> phantomcircuit: lol no
620 2011-05-23 04:07:05 <Diablo-D3> they dont do 125mb/sec.
621 2011-05-23 04:07:05 <phantomcircuit> that's pretty sad
622 2011-05-23 04:27:38 <MemoryException> Can anyone explain why when H==0x5be0cd19 it means that it was a valid hash?  Is this something to do with a two stage SHA-256 algorithm?
623 2011-05-23 04:28:24 <mtrlt> the actual condition is H==0
624 2011-05-23 04:28:34 <MemoryException> well, yes... after adding 0x5be0cd19
625 2011-05-23 04:28:36 <mtrlt> but the code doesn't do a couple of adds
626 2011-05-23 04:28:48 <mtrlt> (at least my code)
627 2011-05-23 04:29:16 <MemoryException> hmmm it looks like H is initialized to 0x5be0cd19 before the second round hash.  Then, after the SHA-256 64 rounds, it will add 0x5be0cd19 and then check H == 0
628 2011-05-23 04:29:36 <mtrlt> yea it's one of the initialization values for sha-256
629 2011-05-23 04:29:55 <mtrlt> read on wikipedia or something, how sha-256 works
630 2011-05-23 04:30:24 <Diablo-D3> MemoryException: it doesnt mean its a valid hash
631 2011-05-23 04:30:27 <Diablo-D3> it means its a valid canidate
632 2011-05-23 04:31:02 <MemoryException> so, the GPU just finds candidates, and the computer confirms them?
633 2011-05-23 04:31:11 <Diablo-D3> yes
634 2011-05-23 04:31:30 <lfm> or rejects them
635 2011-05-23 04:31:39 <Diablo-D3> yes, most are rejected
636 2011-05-23 04:31:42 <MemoryException> hmm interesting. and it's possible for the GPU to find multiple candidates before finishing all 2^32 possible nonces?
637 2011-05-23 04:31:48 <Diablo-D3> yes
638 2011-05-23 04:31:55 <gribble> 244139.48158254
639 2011-05-23 04:31:55 <lfm> ;;bc,diff
640 2011-05-23 04:31:59 <Diablo-D3> thats why my miner has multiple bins
641 2011-05-23 04:32:09 <Diablo-D3> although I should cut down on the number of bins
642 2011-05-23 04:32:13 <lfm> ya about 244 thousand rejects for one good one
643 2011-05-23 04:32:21 <Diablo-D3> lfm: well
644 2011-05-23 04:32:24 <Diablo-D3> at diff 1
645 2011-05-23 04:32:28 <Diablo-D3> its half are rejected
646 2011-05-23 04:32:40 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,diff
647 2011-05-23 04:32:40 <gribble> 244139.48158254
648 2011-05-23 04:32:47 <Diablo-D3> so 244*2 are rejected currently.
649 2011-05-23 04:32:48 <Diablo-D3> er
650 2011-05-23 04:32:50 <Diablo-D3> 244k*2
651 2011-05-23 04:32:53 <MemoryException> how does the computer determine whether to reject or accept them? it checks them against the threshold given by the server?
652 2011-05-23 04:33:05 <Diablo-D3> MemoryException: it checks G and optionally F
653 2011-05-23 04:33:16 <lfm> Diablo-D3: you're thinking testnet maybe, on main net its just the diff straight
654 2011-05-23 04:33:27 <Diablo-D3> lfm: diff 1 == 1 in 2^33
655 2011-05-23 04:33:33 <mtrlt> nope
656 2011-05-23 04:33:34 <Diablo-D3> H is an int, thus 2^32
657 2011-05-23 04:33:42 <mtrlt> diff 1 is target 0x0000FFFF00000..
658 2011-05-23 04:33:46 <mtrlt> no
659 2011-05-23 04:33:50 <mtrlt> 0x00000000FFFF00000 ..
660 2011-05-23 04:33:59 <mtrlt> therefore almost 1 in 2^32
661 2011-05-23 04:34:06 <Diablo-D3> 8 zeros, 4 Fs, rest zeros.
662 2011-05-23 04:34:22 <Diablo-D3> in a hex string, 8 zeros is 32 bits of the number 0
663 2011-05-23 04:34:25 <lfm> ya, thats not half
664 2011-05-23 04:34:49 <mtrlt> most pools give a target of 8 zeros, rest Fs
665 2011-05-23 04:35:00 <Diablo-D3> mtrlt: which is incorrect
666 2011-05-23 04:35:09 <lfm> which is very close to the same
667 2011-05-23 04:35:12 <mtrlt> a target cannot be incorrect
668 2011-05-23 04:35:17 <MemoryException> why was the decision made for the GPU to only check H? did it end up being faster to store the candidates in bins and let the CPU decide, over having the extra comparisons on the GPU?
669 2011-05-23 04:35:19 <mtrlt> it's all the same for the pool what the target is
670 2011-05-23 04:35:32 <lfm> MemoryException: just easier
671 2011-05-23 04:35:37 <mtrlt> MemoryException: yes, afaik branches are expensive on gpus
672 2011-05-23 04:35:52 <Diablo-D3> 2^32 - 0xFFFF0000 is 65536
673 2011-05-23 04:36:00 <MemoryException> yes, I expect they would be...
674 2011-05-23 04:36:32 <mtrlt> Diablo-D3: yea?
675 2011-05-23 04:36:36 <Diablo-D3> so...
676 2011-05-23 04:36:36 <lfm> so h=0 is praticlly the same as diff = 1
677 2011-05-23 04:36:39 <Diablo-D3> ArtForzZz: where are you
678 2011-05-23 04:36:56 <mtrlt> lfm: yep
679 2011-05-23 04:37:10 <kika__> does anyone know how i can solve this
680 2011-05-23 04:37:11 <lfm> off by 1 in 64k
681 2011-05-23 04:37:13 <kika__> .../usr/bin/ld: note: 'glOrtho' is defined in DSO /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 so try adding it to the linker command line /usr/lib/libGL.so.1: could not read symbols: Invalid operation
682 2011-05-23 04:38:05 <Diablo-D3> kika__: duh, -lGL
683 2011-05-23 04:38:21 <Diablo-D3> actually, no
684 2011-05-23 04:38:23 <Diablo-D3> your shits fucked
685 2011-05-23 04:38:24 <Diablo-D3> go fix it
686 2011-05-23 04:38:28 <kika__> i just ran make on the StreamSDK for linux
687 2011-05-23 04:38:33 <kika__> and it gave me that error
688 2011-05-23 04:38:40 <MemoryException> cool.  thanks everyone
689 2011-05-23 04:39:00 <Diablo-D3> kika__: dont.
690 2011-05-23 04:39:01 <kika__> Diablo-D3: i ran make for AMD-APP-SDK-v2.4-lnx3
691 2011-05-23 04:39:07 <Diablo-D3> kika__: you do not need to run make
692 2011-05-23 04:39:16 <Diablo-D3> infact, dont run make.
693 2011-05-23 04:39:20 <kika__> i see
694 2011-05-23 04:39:23 <kika__> i just ran make clean now
695 2011-05-23 04:39:29 <Diablo-D3> you just made it worse.
696 2011-05-23 04:39:37 <kika__> basically im trying to get poclbm to work on linux
697 2011-05-23 04:39:37 <ninjaneo> hm, I'm not able to get pushpool up, socket(PF_INET6, SOCK_STREAM, IPPROTO_TCP) = -1 EAFNOSUPPORT (Address family not supported by protocol)
698 2011-05-23 04:39:45 <ninjaneo> is ipv6 required?
699 2011-05-23 04:39:47 <Diablo-D3> kika__: whats so hard about that
700 2011-05-23 04:40:06 <lfm> ninjaneo: shouldnt be needed
701 2011-05-23 04:40:17 <Diablo-D3> kika__: delete your unzipped copy, unzip it again
702 2011-05-23 04:40:17 <kika__> i just need to find a way to install the AMD-APP-SDK-v2.4-lnx3
703 2011-05-23 04:40:18 <phantomcircuit> ninjaneo, your kernel needs to have been compiled with support for ipv6
704 2011-05-23 04:40:27 <Diablo-D3> kika__: you dont install it
705 2011-05-23 04:40:31 <ninjaneo> ok
706 2011-05-23 04:40:42 <phantomcircuit> ninjaneo, you dont actually need an ipv6 addr
707 2011-05-23 04:40:43 <Diablo-D3> you just export LD_LIBRARY_CONFIG=/path/to/AMD-APP-SDK-v2.4-lnx32/lib/x86
708 2011-05-23 04:40:45 <ninjaneo> i was hoping there was like a --without-ipv6
709 2011-05-23 04:40:49 <ninjaneo> k
710 2011-05-23 04:41:06 <kika__> Diablo-D3: okay i just deleted and unzipped again now ?
711 2011-05-23 04:41:14 <Diablo-D3> kika__: [02:40:43] <Diablo-D3> you just export LD_LIBRARY_CONFIG=/path/to/AMD-APP-SDK-v2.4-lnx32/lib/x86
712 2011-05-23 04:41:16 <lfm> kika there are instructions you should have read first
713 2011-05-23 04:41:41 <Diablo-D3> kika__: and cd /; sudo tar zxvf /path/to/AMD-APP-SDK-v2.4-lnx32/icd-registration.tgz
714 2011-05-23 04:41:54 <kika__> Diablo-D3: k, thxs, thats all?
715 2011-05-23 04:42:26 <Diablo-D3> kika__: you have to run the export command every time you close your bash session
716 2011-05-23 04:42:30 <Diablo-D3> most people add it to their .bashrc
717 2011-05-23 04:43:22 <kika__> Diablo-D3: i see, thats all?
718 2011-05-23 04:43:50 <lfm> thats for sdk, vid drivers are also needed
719 2011-05-23 04:45:17 <Diablo-D3> kika__: yes, and obviously fglrx installed
720 2011-05-23 04:45:47 <kika__> Diablo-D3: fglrx installed means the catalyst thingy installed, right?
721 2011-05-23 04:46:09 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
722 2011-05-23 04:46:10 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":7.45,"low":6.1231,"vol":40334,"buy":7.1019,"sell":7.2083,"last":7.2092}}
723 2011-05-23 04:46:46 <lfm> kika ya
724 2011-05-23 04:46:57 <kika__> okay i just ran the catalyst .run
725 2011-05-23 04:46:59 <kika__> its asking me..
726 2011-05-23 04:47:08 <Diablo-D3> kika__: bzzt wrong.
727 2011-05-23 04:47:11 <Diablo-D3> you do not use the .run
728 2011-05-23 04:47:19 <Diablo-D3> it fucks your system up if you're a noob
729 2011-05-23 04:47:23 <Diablo-D3> it even has noob detection code
730 2011-05-23 04:47:29 <kika__> install driver 8.5 on X.org 6.9 or later .... OR generate Distribution specific driver package
731 2011-05-23 04:47:47 <kika__> Diablo-D3: so how i need to install this? im on fedora 14
732 2011-05-23 04:48:28 <gjs278> ;;bc,stats
733 2011-05-23 04:48:30 <gribble> Current Blocks: 125949 | Current Difficulty: 244139.48158254 | Next Difficulty At Block: 127007 | Next Difficulty In: 1058 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 19 hours, 47 minutes, and 32 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 372538.49855608
734 2011-05-23 04:48:31 <kika__> Diablo-D3: if i dont install this via the .run ill install it via?
735 2011-05-23 04:49:11 <Diablo-D3> kika__: your OS.
736 2011-05-23 04:49:20 <Diablo-D3> fedra 14 has fglrx packaged.
737 2011-05-23 04:49:45 <kika__> Diablo-D3: add/remove programs menu on fedora 14 ?
738 2011-05-23 04:50:54 <Diablo-D3> who knows
739 2011-05-23 04:50:56 <Diablo-D3> I dont use fedora
740 2011-05-23 04:51:00 <Diablo-D3> ask in ##fedora
741 2011-05-23 04:52:20 <kika__> Diablo-D3: fglrx seems to be too old if i install it via package, ill just install it via .run
742 2011-05-23 04:53:27 <kika__> actually i think i found it http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=155503
743 2011-05-23 04:53:29 <kika__> :)
744 2011-05-23 04:54:47 <kika__> Diablo-D3: thxs
745 2011-05-23 04:55:08 <kika__> its upgrading the kernel hopefully it wont give trouble
746 2011-05-23 04:58:45 <Diablo-D3> kika__: do NOT use the run
747 2011-05-23 05:01:13 <lfm> too late
748 2011-05-23 05:01:29 <Guest89541> I have a question. my network has to connect internet via http proxy, but i only see socket4 option in bitCoin. does bitCoin only support socket4 proxy?
749 2011-05-23 05:01:30 <kika__> Diablo-D3: okay i installed fxglr without the run thing, now i have to reebot
750 2011-05-23 05:01:32 <kika__> Diablo-D3: i installed the package catalyst
751 2011-05-23 05:01:51 <kika__> Installed:   akmod-catalyst.i686 0:11.4-1.fc14                                                xorg-x11-drv-catalyst.i686 0:11.4-1.fc14                                         xorg-x11-drv-catalyst-libs.i686 0:11.4-1.fc14
752 2011-05-23 05:02:02 <kika__> Diablo-D3: thats what you wanted, right ?
753 2011-05-23 05:02:08 <Diablo-D3> looks new enough
754 2011-05-23 05:02:15 <Diablo-D3> what hardware are you on?
755 2011-05-23 05:02:23 <kika__> Diablo-D3: im on 6990 ati
756 2011-05-23 05:02:37 <Diablo-D3> yeah thats new enough
757 2011-05-23 05:02:38 <kika__> Diablo-D3: semprom am3
758 2011-05-23 05:02:48 <kika__> okay ill reebot and hopefully everything will work ?
759 2011-05-23 05:03:15 <Diablo-D3> in theory.
760 2011-05-23 05:03:32 <kika__> lol k, brb
761 2011-05-23 05:03:34 <lfm> guestya Not sure what the difference is really mysel;f
762 2011-05-23 05:03:35 <kika__> gotta reebot
763 2011-05-23 05:03:51 <Guest89541> hi guys, is there anyone can answer my question? does bitCoin only support socket4 proxy?
764 2011-05-23 05:04:25 <lfm> Guest89541: ya, not sure what the difference is, did you just try it anyway?
765 2011-05-23 05:06:22 <Guest89541> thank you for your reply . ~ :) y, i tried it. http proxy not work at all. there isn't any connections or blocks.
766 2011-05-23 05:08:01 <lfm> Guest89541: ok well I guess you cant use bitcoin app then, you should still be able to use mybitcoin.com to trade bitcoins if you need to
767 2011-05-23 05:13:37 <kika_> wondering why i lost internet connection after kernel upgrade??
768 2011-05-23 05:14:16 <kika_> Diablo-D3: i just reeboted however the pc now doesnt has internet
769 2011-05-23 05:15:05 <kika_> Diablo-D3: plus that fglrx wasnt installed :/
770 2011-05-23 05:16:15 <Diablo-D3> fedora sucks
771 2011-05-23 05:16:17 <Diablo-D3> why are we using it
772 2011-05-23 05:16:25 <lfm> I aint
773 2011-05-23 05:16:32 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, which version of bdb is the binary built with?
774 2011-05-23 05:16:38 <Diablo-D3> 4.7
775 2011-05-23 05:19:18 <kika_> Diablo-D3: your suggestions to not run the .run runied my system :(
776 2011-05-23 05:19:57 <Diablo-D3> kika_: .run usually ruins systems for noobs.
777 2011-05-23 05:20:03 <Diablo-D3> kika_: take it up with ##fedora
778 2011-05-23 05:20:10 <jaromil> Diablo-D3: are you referring to all bitcoin clients distributed right now?
779 2011-05-23 05:20:11 <Diablo-D3> or just fucking install ubuntu or debian
780 2011-05-23 05:20:16 <Diablo-D3> jaromil: yes
781 2011-05-23 05:20:18 <jaromil> i mean, distributed in binary
782 2011-05-23 05:20:20 <jaromil> ok thanks
783 2011-05-23 05:20:22 <Diablo-D3> though I think osx MIGHT use 4.8
784 2011-05-23 05:20:26 <jaromil> yea
785 2011-05-23 05:20:27 <Diablo-D3> I cant remember if they fixed that yet
786 2011-05-23 05:20:31 <jaromil> i think i got mislead by that
787 2011-05-23 05:20:39 <jaromil> and assumed were all 4.8
788 2011-05-23 05:22:40 <gjs278> ;;bc,stats
789 2011-05-23 05:22:43 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
790 2011-05-23 05:22:43 <gribble> Current Blocks: 125955 | Current Difficulty: 244139.48158254 | Next Difficulty At Block: 127007 | Next Difficulty In: 1052 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 18 hours, 50 minutes, and 36 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 372661.35704277
791 2011-05-23 05:22:44 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":7.45,"low":6.1231,"vol":40896,"buy":7.2002,"sell":7.28,"last":7.1901}}
792 2011-05-23 05:23:06 <kika_> Diablo-D3: actually it seems to only be a resolv.conf issue, its not resolving DNS requests only
793 2011-05-23 05:25:29 <lfm> dhcp issue?
794 2011-05-23 05:25:32 <ninjaneo> ok so I recompiled kernel with ipv6, and im getting closer to getting pushpoold up and running, is there docs somewhere on how to setup the pwdb?
795 2011-05-23 05:25:58 <ninjaneo> i keep getting  pwdb sql step 1 failed: file is encrypted or is not a database
796 2011-05-23 05:38:16 <Blueye> hi
797 2011-05-23 05:44:06 <kika__> Diablo-D3: how do i know if i installed the drivers correctly ?
798 2011-05-23 05:44:25 <Theaxiom> So what is up with the irc botnet network?
799 2011-05-23 05:44:34 <Diablo-D3> kika__: it works.
800 2011-05-23 05:44:57 <Theaxiom> I just discovered bitcoin and was reviewing the source and found an IRC server/channel and there are thousands of users in there...
801 2011-05-23 05:45:13 <kika__> Diablo-D3: X Error of failed request:  BadRequest (invalid reque thats what fglrxinfo command gives me but its supposed to give me a list of devices?
802 2011-05-23 05:45:44 <Diablo-D3> kika__: are you executing that from inside of X?
803 2011-05-23 05:46:02 <kika__> Diablo-D3: yes, im on KDE right now, i run it on a xterm
804 2011-05-23 05:46:27 <kika__> [root@localhost max]# fglrxinfo  X Error of failed request:  BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation)   Major opcode of failed request:  136 (GLX)   Minor opcode of failed request:  19 (X_GLXQueryServerString)   Serial number of failed request:  14   Current serial number in output stream:  14
805 2011-05-23 05:46:47 <Diablo-D3> kika__: just install ubuntu or debian
806 2011-05-23 05:48:41 <Theaxiom> anyone have an answer to that question?
807 2011-05-23 05:49:39 <Diablo-D3> Theaxiom: I did not see a question
808 2011-05-23 05:49:40 <ersi> Theaxiom: Yeah, it's for Peer to peer Bootstrapping
809 2011-05-23 05:49:49 <ersi> Diablo-D3: He asked about the Bootstrap IRC channel
810 2011-05-23 05:49:51 <phantomcircuit> MagicalTux, hey you here?
811 2011-05-23 05:50:01 <MagicalTux> yes
812 2011-05-23 05:50:18 <Diablo-D3> he made a statement about it.
813 2011-05-23 05:50:19 <Theaxiom> ersi, ahh that makes sense
814 2011-05-23 05:50:37 <ersi> Theaxiom: Indeed :)
815 2011-05-23 05:50:52 <Theaxiom> ersi, that is not exactly decentralized, lol
816 2011-05-23 05:51:02 <Theaxiom> ersi, does the client accept any commands via IRC?
817 2011-05-23 05:51:30 <ersi> AFAIK it's only to find each others, everything else is done over own client <> client connections
818 2011-05-23 05:51:31 <MagicalTux> phantomcircuit, you needed something?
819 2011-05-23 05:51:44 <phantomcircuit> MagicalTux, yes the depth of market graph is like cripplingly slow
820 2011-05-23 05:52:10 <phantomcircuit> my poor netbook takes about 2 minutes to load the graph
821 2011-05-23 05:52:12 <ninjaneo> heh i just disabled pwdb functionality, woot
822 2011-05-23 05:52:16 <ersi> Diablo-D3: Ah, heh. True.
823 2011-05-23 05:52:44 <MagicalTux> mh
824 2011-05-23 05:53:00 <MagicalTux> I guess it's linked to the fact that when the price gets higher, the amount of returned data increases
825 2011-05-23 05:53:07 <Theaxiom> ersi, what if a govt decides to seize that IP address?
826 2011-05-23 05:53:19 <Theaxiom> ersi, wouldn't that effectively hinder the p2p network?
827 2011-05-23 05:53:30 <Theaxiom> ersi, are there other ways to manually bootstrap onto the network?
828 2011-05-23 05:54:17 <phantomcircuit> MagicalTux, wah
829 2011-05-23 05:54:44 <phantomcircuit> MagicalTux, oh you only return data for a range around the last trade price?
830 2011-05-23 05:54:52 <MagicalTux> yu
831 2011-05-23 05:54:54 <MagicalTux> p
832 2011-05-23 05:55:14 <phantomcircuit> well that explains why my ask @ 10k doesn't show up
833 2011-05-23 05:55:16 <phantomcircuit> lol
834 2011-05-23 05:55:23 <Namegduf> Theaxiom: Yes. You can use -addnode and a fallback node.
835 2011-05-23 05:55:38 <Theaxiom> Namegduf, good, thanks
836 2011-05-23 05:56:04 <Theaxiom> Namegduf, I have designed a decentralized P2P network before, that is why I am asking these questions. Sorry if I am too nosey.
837 2011-05-23 05:56:15 <Namegduf> No problem at all.
838 2011-05-23 05:56:32 <Theaxiom> Namegduf, is there a command prompt for the windows client?
839 2011-05-23 05:56:42 <Namegduf> Not sure.
840 2011-05-23 05:56:45 <Theaxiom> Namegduf, I am looking through the rpc.cpp file and can see commands
841 2011-05-23 05:59:53 <sipa> the binary is both gui, rpc server and rpc client
842 2011-05-23 06:00:13 <ersi> Theaxiom: Like Namegduf said, you can add nodes manually
843 2011-05-23 06:00:14 <sipa> depending on how you call it
844 2011-05-23 06:00:24 <Theaxiom> sipa, it also appears to have a REST client, is that true?
845 2011-05-23 06:01:19 <sipa> no idea what you mean
846 2011-05-23 06:01:29 <Theaxiom> sipa, it has JSON-RPC
847 2011-05-23 06:01:35 <sipa> yes
848 2011-05-23 06:01:43 <Theaxiom> sipa, does it do that through the web?
849 2011-05-23 06:02:23 <ersi> You communicate with the clients with RPC
850 2011-05-23 06:02:42 <sipa> json rpc =  funcrion args serialized in json transmitted over http
851 2011-05-23 06:02:52 <sipa> function
852 2011-05-23 06:02:54 <Theaxiom> sipa, that would be a REST client then :)
853 2011-05-23 06:03:48 <sipa> not really - rest is just an idea, but typically says something about how urls refer to data
854 2011-05-23 06:04:13 <sipa> (among other things)
855 2011-05-23 06:04:45 <sipa> the url is very non-rest-like here
856 2011-05-23 06:06:11 <kika__> Diablo-D3: well.. the .run worked...
857 2011-05-23 06:16:53 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
858 2011-05-23 06:16:53 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":7.45,"low":6.1231,"vol":40362,"buy":7.141,"sell":7.24,"last":7.1447}}
859 2011-05-23 06:19:35 <kika__> Diablo-D3: [max@localhost x86]$ ./HelloCL ./HelloCL: error while loading shared libraries: libOpenCL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
860 2011-05-23 06:19:58 <kika__> [max@localhost x86]$ locate libOpenCL.so.1 /home/max/Downloads/AMD-APP-SDK-v2.4-lnx32/lib/x86/libOpenCL.so.1
861 2011-05-23 06:20:03 <kika__> weird
862 2011-05-23 06:20:11 <kika__> wondering why it doesnt finds it
863 2011-05-23 06:20:51 <Diablo-D3> because you didnt follow instructions
864 2011-05-23 06:21:10 <Diablo-D3> [02:40:43] <Diablo-D3> you just export LD_LIBRARY_CONFIG=/path/to/AMD-APP-SDK-v2.4-lnx32/lib/x86
865 2011-05-23 06:21:56 <kika__> Diablo-D3: im already doing that export before call HelloCL
866 2011-05-23 06:22:35 <Diablo-D3> did you forget to cd /; tar zxvf /path/to/AMD-APP/icd-registration.tgz?
867 2011-05-23 06:22:38 <Diablo-D3> er sudo tar
868 2011-05-23 06:22:46 <gjs278> what the hell is that icd crap for
869 2011-05-23 06:22:54 <kika__> Diablo-D3: i already did that too
870 2011-05-23 06:23:00 <Diablo-D3> gjs278: allows you to use driver specific backends
871 2011-05-23 06:23:07 <Diablo-D3> kika__: obviously you're doing something wrong
872 2011-05-23 06:23:44 <Diablo-D3> gjs278: they're just textfiles with filenames in them
873 2011-05-23 06:24:03 <kika__> [root@localhost /]# tar xzvf /home/max/Downloads/AMD-APP-SDK-v2.4-lnx32/icd-registration.tgz etc/ etc/OpenCL/ etc/OpenCL/vendors/ etc/OpenCL/vendors/amdocl64.icd etc/OpenCL/vendors/amdocl32.ic
874 2011-05-23 06:24:06 <gjs278> the 5850 paid itself off today at this exchange rate
875 2011-05-23 06:24:22 <gjs278> not including mail in rebate because I might expect to never get it back
876 2011-05-23 06:24:26 <kika__> [max@localhost x86]$ export LD_LIBRARY_CONFIG=/home/max/Downloads/AMD-APP-SDK-v2.4-lnx32/lib/x86 [max@localhost x86]$ ./HelloCL ./HelloCL: error while loading shared libraries: libOpenCL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [max@localhost x86]$ locate libOpenCL.so.1 /home/max/Downloads/AMD-APP-SDK-v2.4-lnx32/lib/x86/libOpenCL.so.1
877 2011-05-23 06:25:05 <Diablo-D3> kika__: try adding a / to the end of that LD_LIBARY_CONFIG
878 2011-05-23 06:25:25 <kika__> [max@localhost x86]$ export LD_LIBRARY_CONFIG=/home/max/Downloads/AMD-APP-SDK-v2.4-lnx32/lib/x86/ [max@localhost x86]$ ./HelloCL ./HelloCL: error while loading shared libraries: libOpenCL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
879 2011-05-23 06:26:40 <Diablo-D3> kika__: cop whoops
880 2011-05-23 06:26:47 <Diablo-D3> its LD_LIBRARY_PATH
881 2011-05-23 06:26:59 <kika__> Diablo-D3: okay, let me fix
882 2011-05-23 06:27:03 <Diablo-D3> dealing with noobs too long, seriously
883 2011-05-23 06:27:09 <kika__> you told me LD_LIBRARY_CONFIG :P
884 2011-05-23 06:27:20 <kika__> thxs
885 2011-05-23 06:27:24 <kika__> ill try _PATH