1 2011-06-12 00:00:02 <dirtyfilthy> i think somethingawful good squad has been deployed
  2 2011-06-12 00:00:05 <noagendamarket> yep
  3 2011-06-12 00:00:19 <noagendamarket> someone paid a bounty to have their site hacked
  4 2011-06-12 00:00:25 <noagendamarket> lol
  5 2011-06-12 00:00:28 <phantomcircuit> Kireji, there is a sendmany rpc call for miners
  6 2011-06-12 00:01:26 <jgarzik> anyway, until the forum swap, we need triage
  7 2011-06-12 00:01:35 <jgarzik> either "no newbie posts" or "newbies cannot create threads" or somesuch
  8 2011-06-12 00:01:46 <ArtForz> how about "nuke it from orbit" ?
  9 2011-06-12 00:01:57 <ArtForz> j/k
 10 2011-06-12 00:02:06 <ArtForz> well, it's the only way to be sure...
 11 2011-06-12 00:02:08 <jgarzik> :)
 12 2011-06-12 00:02:52 <z310> noagendamarket: you're still around
 13 2011-06-12 00:02:55 <z310> nice to see you again
 14 2011-06-12 00:03:06 <noagendamarket> I am
 15 2011-06-12 00:03:14 <z310> i could have assumed :)
 16 2011-06-12 00:03:16 <noagendamarket> Im like a barnacle
 17 2011-06-12 00:03:20 <noagendamarket> :)
 18 2011-06-12 00:03:29 <fmetro> g2g all, bbye ;)
 19 2011-06-12 00:03:30 <z310> i personally wouldn't call myself a barnacle
 20 2011-06-12 00:03:43 <noagendamarket> lol
 21 2011-06-12 00:04:11 <z310> I'm still using that Sansa Clip+
 22 2011-06-12 00:04:14 <z310> great music player
 23 2011-06-12 00:05:48 <bb> k
 24 2011-06-12 00:05:50 <bb> ;;
 25 2011-06-12 00:07:44 <bb> ;;bc,estimate
 26 2011-06-12 00:07:44 <gribble> 820298.77858096
 27 2011-06-12 00:08:58 <lorph> is it possible to get the blocknumber from a block, or do I have to call getblockcount and getwork at the same time and hope the last transaction didn't change between these 2 calls
 28 2011-06-12 00:11:20 <[Tycho]> Creating a pool ?
 29 2011-06-12 00:11:49 <lorph> yes
 30 2011-06-12 00:12:17 <[Tycho]> You can just add the RPC command to bitcoind
 31 2011-06-12 00:13:54 <lorph> [Tycho]: so there's no way to get the blocknumber from a block?
 32 2011-06-12 00:16:50 <MC1984> wow the bitcoin forums are irredeemable
 33 2011-06-12 00:17:29 <machine1> http://members.beforeitsnews.com/story/708/539/Alert:_Bitcoin_Possible_C.I.A._Operation_14.00_Rtq.html
 34 2011-06-12 00:18:55 <alystair> wtf?
 35 2011-06-12 00:19:02 <alystair> title has nothing to do with blog?
 36 2011-06-12 00:19:11 <alystair> keep that shit out of -dev
 37 2011-06-12 00:31:38 <jgarzik> MC1984: yes
 38 2011-06-12 00:37:03 <brocktice> MC1984: Yeah I haven't delved in  much lately, I hear it's troll central?
 39 2011-06-12 00:38:15 <noagendamarket> the forums hit a trollberg
 40 2011-06-12 00:39:46 <Zarutian> eh wut?
 41 2011-06-12 00:40:34 <Diablo-D3> heh
 42 2011-06-12 00:40:42 <Diablo-D3> the bitcoin forums are just too high traffic
 43 2011-06-12 00:40:47 <theymos> Who here uses the forum a lot and wants to be a mod?
 44 2011-06-12 00:40:48 <Diablo-D3> I dont read any of it except very specific threads
 45 2011-06-12 00:40:53 <Diablo-D3> theymos: me.
 46 2011-06-12 00:41:03 <Diablo-D3> I just want mod powers on the mining part
 47 2011-06-12 00:41:36 <jgarzik> theymos: will you give me permission to lock just about even damn thread?  :)  or prevent newbies from creating new threads?
 48 2011-06-12 00:41:37 <theymos> Your account is "DiabloD3"?
 49 2011-06-12 00:41:41 <jgarzik> *every
 50 2011-06-12 00:41:53 <Diablo-D3> theymos: yes
 51 2011-06-12 00:41:56 <theymos> No point in locking them -- just delete troll threads.
 52 2011-06-12 00:42:04 <jgarzik> that works too
 53 2011-06-12 00:42:13 <noagendamarket> lock them unless you have certain post levels
 54 2011-06-12 00:42:29 <theymos> They're all backed up in case of false positives. There's too much junk. Lots needs to be deleted.
 55 2011-06-12 00:42:36 <jgarzik> yep
 56 2011-06-12 00:42:56 <jgarzik> theymos: and _please_ don't post a "moved" or "deleted" thread, for each one...
 57 2011-06-12 00:42:57 <Diablo-D3> theymos: you can set it so only established users can start threads
 58 2011-06-12 00:42:59 <jgarzik> shades of Kiba
 59 2011-06-12 00:43:21 <theymos> I'm going to prevent non-established posters from posting at all for a while.
 60 2011-06-12 00:43:45 <Diablo-D3> why not just turn registrations off for awhile
 61 2011-06-12 00:43:51 <Diablo-D3> OOH
 62 2011-06-12 00:43:52 <Diablo-D3> I KNOW
 63 2011-06-12 00:43:54 <Diablo-D3> HEY THEYMOS
 64 2011-06-12 00:44:02 <Diablo-D3> MAKE PEOPLE PAY BTC FOR NEW ACCOUNT
 65 2011-06-12 00:44:12 <theymos> jgarzik and Diablo are now global moderators (for now). Please only delete spam and trolling.
 66 2011-06-12 00:44:32 <Diablo-D3> theymos: how do I sticky threads?
 67 2011-06-12 00:44:38 <theymos> Don't sticky threads.
 68 2011-06-12 00:44:41 <Diablo-D3> =/
 69 2011-06-12 00:44:44 <Diablo-D3> mining needs it
 70 2011-06-12 00:44:49 <Diablo-D3> the rest of the board doesnt
 71 2011-06-12 00:45:04 <Diablo-D3> important miner/pool threads are being driven off the first page
 72 2011-06-12 00:45:24 <theymos> Mining needs more categories, then. What do you propose?
 73 2011-06-12 00:45:59 <se7h> Diablo-D3: hello, could you tell me why a ps3 is so 'weak' doing the calculations?
 74 2011-06-12 00:46:21 <se7h> or someone else..
 75 2011-06-12 00:46:22 <Diablo-D3> theymos: well not as much as that...
 76 2011-06-12 00:46:32 <Diablo-D3> se7h: because its not as powerful as people think it is
 77 2011-06-12 00:46:44 <Diablo-D3> even in normal gaming, it not powerful
 78 2011-06-12 00:46:53 <Diablo-D3> I can buy video cards that use more watts than the original fat ps3
 79 2011-06-12 00:47:11 <se7h> Diablo-D3: right, i figured that much, but wasnt ps3 supposed to be kickass computing on the cpu level ?
 80 2011-06-12 00:47:15 <Diablo-D3> theymos: well, maybe people shouldnt be allowed to post new threads in mining
 81 2011-06-12 00:47:33 <Diablo-D3> se7h: not even close, what people jerked off to was the Cell SPEs which are essentially high speed DSPs
 82 2011-06-12 00:47:49 <Diablo-D3> se7h: which is zero difference then how miners use gpgpus
 83 2011-06-12 00:47:59 <Diablo-D3> except gpgus have vastly more hardware dedicated to it
 84 2011-06-12 00:48:36 <Diablo-D3> PS3s were old tech when they were brand new
 85 2011-06-12 00:48:44 <se7h> Diablo-D3: so the multi-code thing isnt really a big thing about it?
 86 2011-06-12 00:48:50 <se7h> or multi SPE..
 87 2011-06-12 00:48:56 <Diablo-D3> Sony overstated the power of the PS3
 88 2011-06-12 00:48:57 <se7h> i dont even know what a SPE is
 89 2011-06-12 00:49:02 <se7h> hum i see
 90 2011-06-12 00:49:08 <Diablo-D3> SPE are those little processor cores that make the Cell what it is
 91 2011-06-12 00:49:33 <Diablo-D3> games use them from anything from sound decoding, mixing, and whatever to graphics shader drawing
 92 2011-06-12 00:49:56 <Diablo-D3> the nvidia gpu in it is basically a cut down series 7 gpu
 93 2011-06-12 00:50:30 <Diablo-D3> so half the GPU task is being done by the Cell processor
 94 2011-06-12 00:50:36 <se7h> well i was already convinced about the gpu not being that good, but i thought it would do better on the cpu
 95 2011-06-12 00:50:38 <Diablo-D3> game development for the PS3, btw, is a bitch
 96 2011-06-12 00:50:46 <Diablo-D3> se7h: well
 97 2011-06-12 00:50:51 <Diablo-D3> the SPEs are in the CPU package
 98 2011-06-12 00:50:54 <Diablo-D3> but they're not CPU cores
 99 2011-06-12 00:51:42 <Diablo-D3> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Cell_Processor#Synergistic_Processing_Elements_.28SPE.29
100 2011-06-12 00:52:01 <se7h> thats too bad, i'll have to retire mine sooner then :>
101 2011-06-12 00:52:18 <Diablo-D3> se7h: they're interesting, but all they did was approach the mass parallel computation problem from the high speed simple RISC side of the problem
102 2011-06-12 00:52:47 <Diablo-D3> GPU makers approached that problem from the massively parallel specialized DSP end of the problem
103 2011-06-12 00:53:09 <Diablo-D3> if they made a chip with, say, 128 3ghz SPEs on it, you'd have something
104 2011-06-12 00:53:25 <Diablo-D3> a PS3 has 8, and 1 is always in use by the OS
105 2011-06-12 00:53:41 <se7h> yup
106 2011-06-12 00:54:10 <z310> Diablo-D3: are you an engineer?
107 2011-06-12 00:54:14 <Diablo-D3> z310: no
108 2011-06-12 00:54:53 <z310> i'm only curious
109 2011-06-12 00:55:23 <Diablo-D3> theymos: but yeah, Im thinking maybe mining shouldnt allow new threads at all ever
110 2011-06-12 00:55:49 <theymos> What would be the point of it, then?
111 2011-06-12 00:55:51 <se7h> well ps3 is already 10yo or something...
112 2011-06-12 00:55:53 <Diablo-D3> theymos: and maybe a different section for "look at my rig" masturbation
113 2011-06-12 00:56:08 <Diablo-D3> theymos: well, mining should be software and pools only
114 2011-06-12 00:56:16 <Diablo-D3> and maybe a perm "help questions go here" thread
115 2011-06-12 00:56:45 <theymos> So I should create subcategories for "check out my rig" and "mining support"?
116 2011-06-12 00:59:28 <seeARMS> Probably a section for pools / software? There aren't many "check out my rig" threads as it is
117 2011-06-12 01:01:30 <Diablo-D3> theymos: maybe not SUB categories
118 2011-06-12 01:01:48 <Diablo-D3> theymos: but maybe turn mining into the mining category for official threads?
119 2011-06-12 01:02:03 <Lachesis> jeez, bitcoin-otc is crazy
120 2011-06-12 01:02:07 <jrmithdobbs> is there a reason bitcoind's json-rpc implementation spits back errors in text/html instead of application/json?
121 2011-06-12 01:02:12 <Lachesis> people are dumb, eh?
122 2011-06-12 01:02:16 <jrmithdobbs> shit's annoying
123 2011-06-12 01:02:23 <Lachesis> OMG BITCOIN IS ENDING!
124 2011-06-12 01:02:28 <Joric> $11.8 currently at mtgox
125 2011-06-12 01:02:28 <jrmithdobbs> lol
126 2011-06-12 01:02:33 <jrmithdobbs> market corrections are fun
127 2011-06-12 01:02:42 <Lachesis> why don't people realize that the _magnitude_ of bitcoin's price is unrelated to bitcoin's success?
128 2011-06-12 01:02:52 <Lachesis> the volatility is important
129 2011-06-12 01:03:09 <jrmithdobbs> the volatility (up OR down) is actually counterproductive to long term success
130 2011-06-12 01:03:09 <Lachesis> but if they're $5 or $5000 / BTC matter pretty little (i guess except to people who have bitcoins :D)
131 2011-06-12 01:03:16 <Lachesis> jrmithdobbs, yeah
132 2011-06-12 01:03:51 <Lachesis> hmm we need to split bitcoin-otc from bitcoin-trading somehow
133 2011-06-12 01:04:15 <jrmithdobbs> why? that's the point of -otc isn't it?
134 2011-06-12 01:06:04 <seeARMS> Anyone know why I'm unable to round bitcoin amounts correctly using PHP?
135 2011-06-12 01:06:21 <jrmithdobbs> because you're using floats
136 2011-06-12 01:06:33 <seeARMS> I've used the function here and it still hasn't been working: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Proper_Money_Handling_(JSON-RPC)
137 2011-06-12 01:06:55 <jrmithdobbs> define 'correctly' and "hasn't been working"
138 2011-06-12 01:07:06 <jgarzik> theymos: how/where do I delete an entire thread?
139 2011-06-12 01:07:24 <jgarzik> theymos: I see 'Delete' beside each post, but not at top where I would expect
140 2011-06-12 01:07:27 <theymos> jgarzik: Bottom of the thread, "remove topic".
141 2011-06-12 01:08:25 <jgarzik> theymos: tnx
142 2011-06-12 01:08:54 <seeARMS> jrmithdobbs: Using the function, it returns a value of 0 BTC, whereas the real value is something like 0.000001
143 2011-06-12 01:09:12 <Diablo-D3> [11:02:08] <jrmithdobbs> is there a reason bitcoind's json-rpc implementation spits back errors in text/html instead of application/json?
144 2011-06-12 01:09:12 <theymos> SMF is really not good for fighting trolls. It's too much work to take any administrative action. I used to moderate on a site where moderation was so easy a single person could fight an active invasion of twice this size or more. Probably I'll make modifications in this area once I get time.
145 2011-06-12 01:09:17 <Diablo-D3> because it pisses me off
146 2011-06-12 01:09:28 <Diablo-D3> theymos: man, I should write a fucking forum
147 2011-06-12 01:09:34 <Diablo-D3> and you know what I'll have?
148 2011-06-12 01:09:36 <Diablo-D3> pay to post.
149 2011-06-12 01:10:07 <Diablo-D3> do like 100 posts for 1 btc
150 2011-06-12 01:10:14 <Diablo-D3> and a new thread costs 10 posts
151 2011-06-12 01:12:52 <genewitch> I'm trying to submit pathes to two projects on the forums but i can't post on the forums anymore --- what gives?
152 2011-06-12 01:12:57 <genewitch> patches*
153 2011-06-12 01:13:09 <jgarzik> theymos: ugh
154 2011-06-12 01:13:16 <jgarzik> theymos: fscking impossible, with the forum so slow
155 2011-06-12 01:13:18 <jgarzik> I give up
156 2011-06-12 01:13:23 <Diablo-D3> heh
157 2011-06-12 01:13:28 <theymos> It seems pretty fast to me.
158 2011-06-12 01:13:29 <Diablo-D3> its written in php
159 2011-06-12 01:13:30 <Diablo-D3> thats why
160 2011-06-12 01:13:38 <Diablo-D3> theymos: nope, it shits out for me too sometimes
161 2011-06-12 01:14:04 <theymos> genewitch: Newbies can't post outside of "newbies". Post it there, and if it's good it will get moved elsewhere (and you'll able to reply to it there).
162 2011-06-12 01:14:06 <jgarzik> theymos: deleting 1,001 troll threads one at a time is... tedious, even if it only takes ~10-20 seconds per thread
163 2011-06-12 01:14:26 <theymos> jgarzik: enable quick-moderation in your profile settings. You'll get checkboxes for threads.
164 2011-06-12 01:15:13 <theymos> Here's the page with the setting: https://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?action=profile;u=35;sa=theme . It's near the bottom.
165 2011-06-12 01:15:23 <noagendamarket> can we get a proper forum software ffs
166 2011-06-12 01:15:27 <jgarzik> theymos: that helps
167 2011-06-12 01:15:33 <genewitch> theymos: i've been posting all day... it just blocked me out after 6 hours
168 2011-06-12 01:15:41 <theymos> genewitch: I just changed the policy.
169 2011-06-12 01:16:22 <lorph> bitcoin addresses are 33 bytes max right
170 2011-06-12 01:16:26 <genewitch> theymos: http://paste.ubuntu.com/624849/ is my patch for simplecoin. I've been busting my ass trying to clean up pushpool and simplecoin the best i can for 2 days on 2 OSes. i don't really want to "newbie" it up
171 2011-06-12 01:16:37 <jgarzik> theymos: can we disable animated images?
172 2011-06-12 01:16:39 <theymos> genewitch: I will whitelist you. Just a moment.
173 2011-06-12 01:16:43 <genewitch> Thank you sir.
174 2011-06-12 01:16:47 <jgarzik> theymos: image spam drowns out a lot of threads, too
175 2011-06-12 01:16:48 <genewitch> or ma'am
176 2011-06-12 01:17:43 <Diablo-D3> dear lord
177 2011-06-12 01:17:47 <Diablo-D3> the rest of the forum
178 2011-06-12 01:17:50 <Diablo-D3> is whacko bullshit
179 2011-06-12 01:17:56 <theymos> Delete it all.
180 2011-06-12 01:18:02 <Diablo-D3> http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=15351.msg204817
181 2011-06-12 01:18:02 <luke-jr> theymos: what will it take to split the dev/mining forums appropriately?
182 2011-06-12 01:18:07 <Diablo-D3> this thread for one
183 2011-06-12 01:18:41 <Diablo-D3> theymos: think I should nuke it? its troll vs troll vs troll cagematch kinda shit
184 2011-06-12 01:19:04 <theymos> I locked it because there seemed to be some OK responses. But I dont' really care.
185 2011-06-12 01:19:26 <Diablo-D3> so I can nuke it? I dont think we really need this shit even readable
186 2011-06-12 01:19:33 <theymos> Sure.
187 2011-06-12 01:19:41 <luke-jr> eek, does Diablo-D3 have mod access? :|
188 2011-06-12 01:19:43 <genewitch> I didn't notice much spam on the devel boards
189 2011-06-12 01:19:54 <luke-jr> genewitch: it could use categorization though
190 2011-06-12 01:19:57 <Diablo-D3> 15_year_old_blonde probably should be banned too
191 2011-06-12 01:20:06 <theymos> Diablo-D3: Already done.
192 2011-06-12 01:20:11 <luke-jr> genewitch: for the many different softwares or at least types of software
193 2011-06-12 01:20:33 <genewitch> do i have to delete a cookie to get my "reply" button back?
194 2011-06-12 01:20:54 <theymos> genewitch: Are you able to post now?
195 2011-06-12 01:21:34 <seeARMS> Anyone else have an idea why PHP isn't rounding BTC amounts correctly?
196 2011-06-12 01:21:51 <genewitch> theymos: no, not in the Bitcoin Forum > Bitcoin > Project Development
197 2011-06-12 01:21:54 <genewitch> threads
198 2011-06-12 01:21:54 <luke-jr> seeARMS: you're handling it properly as integers?
199 2011-06-12 01:21:57 <theymos> genewitch: Oh, wait. It didn't work. It might take me a bit to figure this out.
200 2011-06-12 01:22:57 <seeARMS> If I cast it as an integer, or use the function here, it still doesn't work: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Proper_Money_Handling_(JSON-RPC)
201 2011-06-12 01:23:15 <underscor> ;;bc,mtgoxlast
202 2011-06-12 01:23:17 <gribble> 12.01
203 2011-06-12 01:23:17 <luke-jr> seeARMS: be more specific
204 2011-06-12 01:23:34 <luke-jr> what value doesn't work?
205 2011-06-12 01:23:50 <underscor> Wow, btc really crashed, didn't it
206 2011-06-12 01:23:53 <genewitch> i'll wait, it's just a bunch of annoyances in the two packages
207 2011-06-12 01:24:17 <seeARMS> luke-jr: I'm doing this: $balance = $bitcoin->getbalance((string)$_SESSION['usr']);
208 2011-06-12 01:24:24 <seeARMS> Then: $balance = JSONtoAmount($balance);
209 2011-06-12 01:24:35 <luke-jr> seeARMS: what is the balance from JSON?
210 2011-06-12 01:24:44 <seeARMS> Something like 0.00001
211 2011-06-12 01:24:54 <seeARMS> PHP is reporting it as 0
212 2011-06-12 01:25:00 <luke-jr> works for me
213 2011-06-12 01:25:05 <luke-jr> oh
214 2011-06-12 01:25:10 <luke-jr> there's a typo on that page
215 2011-06-12 01:25:16 <luke-jr> the value is misisng a $
216 2011-06-12 01:25:27 <luke-jr> try adding it
217 2011-06-12 01:25:27 <seeARMS> -__________-
218 2011-06-12 01:25:31 <seeARMS> Can't believe I missed that
219 2011-06-12 01:25:46 <seeARMS> I even tried doing that manually: round($balance * 1e8)
220 2011-06-12 01:25:50 <seeARMS> And it didn't work. Regardless, I'll try the function
221 2011-06-12 01:27:06 <seeARMS> luke-jr: Now it's reporting the value as 1. Manually and with the fixed function.
222 2011-06-12 01:27:12 <genewitch> theymos: it's not done by number of posts? cause i have 26 posts, normally forum software triggers on 5 posts without links/images
223 2011-06-12 01:27:22 <luke-jr> seeARMS: please confirm the input value
224 2011-06-12 01:28:58 <Diablo-D3> theymos: you really think stickeying a very small number of threads in mining is bad?
225 2011-06-12 01:29:10 <Diablo-D3> threads like diablominer and deepbit and poclbm and whatever else shouldnt be able to be buried
226 2011-06-12 01:29:18 <luke-jr> Deepbit should be buried
227 2011-06-12 01:29:21 <luke-jr> very deep
228 2011-06-12 01:29:44 <genewitch> seeARMS: pastebin your function
229 2011-06-12 01:30:02 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: hurr
230 2011-06-12 01:30:03 <genewitch> oh nevermind i scrolled up
231 2011-06-12 01:30:14 <genewitch> luke-jr: are you from foonetic or #gentoo
232 2011-06-12 01:30:27 <luke-jr> genewitch: #gentoo rarely
233 2011-06-12 01:30:47 <genewitch> i've seen you around the networks
234 2011-06-12 01:30:47 <seeARMS> luke-jr: There's an amount of 0.00000001 BTC in my account so it should work :/
235 2011-06-12 01:30:47 <theymos> genewitch: OK, you should be able to post now.
236 2011-06-12 01:31:02 <luke-jr> theymos: why the heck is Diablo-D3 a mod? he's a freaking troll
237 2011-06-12 01:31:11 <genewitch> yes it looks like it will let me
238 2011-06-12 01:31:13 <Gekz> says the troll.
239 2011-06-12 01:31:16 <luke-jr> seeARMS: that *is* 1
240 2011-06-12 01:31:55 <theymos> luke-jr: Maybe that will help him to identify other trolls. ;)
241 2011-06-12 01:32:08 <luke-jr> theymos: or do retarded stuff like pin Deepbit?
242 2011-06-12 01:32:13 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: dude, Ive been around since the start of bitcoin
243 2011-06-12 01:32:19 <Diablo-D3> you REALLY think Im a troll?
244 2011-06-12 01:32:27 <Diablo-D3> because if Im a troll, satoshi is the biggest troll ever
245 2011-06-12 01:32:27 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: everyone knows you're a troll
246 2011-06-12 01:33:13 <ArtForz> luke-jr: stone. meet glass house.
247 2011-06-12 01:33:15 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: you still trying to tell pools what difficulty their shares should be?
248 2011-06-12 01:33:18 <theymos> Global mods made tonight are probably temporary. This mess just needs to be cleaned up. Though DiabloD3 will probably stay at least a local mod of mining, since he is a long-time community member with expertise in this area.
249 2011-06-12 01:33:28 <seeARMS> luke-jr: It's 1? :O So what would it report 1 actual BTC as? 100000000?
250 2011-06-12 01:33:45 <luke-jr> theymos: Deepbit is a threat to the entire Bitcoin network, and he wants to make that problem worse?
251 2011-06-12 01:33:55 <luke-jr> seeARMS: yes
252 2011-06-12 01:33:58 <theymos> I'm not concerned too much about Deepbit.
253 2011-06-12 01:34:05 <luke-jr> seeARMS: 1 BTC = 100,000,000 raw units
254 2011-06-12 01:34:13 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr; uh, I never had that argument with anyone
255 2011-06-12 01:34:19 <luke-jr> seeARMS: but if you show it to users, obviously show it in BTC or mBTC (or TBC) today
256 2011-06-12 01:34:21 <Diablo-D3> diff 1 is perfectly fine
257 2011-06-12 01:34:31 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: I keep hearing people complain about it
258 2011-06-12 01:34:38 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: almost no pools use diff 1
259 2011-06-12 01:34:38 <seeARMS> luke-jr: Got it, thanks
260 2011-06-12 01:34:47 <Diablo-D3> I consider 2^32 a variant of diff 1.
261 2011-06-12 01:35:11 <Diablo-D3> ie, H==0
262 2011-06-12 01:35:20 <Diablo-D3> as long as the pool hands out a valid target, who cares what the diff is
263 2011-06-12 01:35:26 <genewitch> don't worry, deepbit workers will get bored and move on
264 2011-06-12 01:35:30 <Diablo-D3> well, as long as the target is > H==0
265 2011-06-12 01:35:48 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: probably because diablominer checks solution validity
266 2011-06-12 01:36:27 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: ok, I apologize for assuming every complaint about you is accurate.
267 2011-06-12 01:36:35 <noagendamarket> If you want to catch trolls who better than a troll ?
268 2011-06-12 01:36:37 <noagendamarket> lol
269 2011-06-12 01:38:23 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: has anyone tested diablominer with your pool?
270 2011-06-12 01:39:02 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: presumably
271 2011-06-12 01:39:09 <Diablo-D3> just wondering if it works right
272 2011-06-12 01:39:14 <luke-jr> tbh, I didn't really pay attention to their results
273 2011-06-12 01:39:33 <Diablo-D3> heh
274 2011-06-12 01:39:53 <Diablo-D3> well, there should be no reason it doesnt since my miner works on deepbit, slush's, and mine
275 2011-06-12 01:40:08 <theymos> I'm using Diablo-Miner on Eligius right now, though I haven't received a payout yet.
276 2011-06-12 01:40:19 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: wanna pin Eligius? :p
277 2011-06-12 01:40:31 <luke-jr> theymos: I didn't know you used Eligius! :P
278 2011-06-12 01:40:40 <luke-jr> theymos: #Eligius has a nice community fwiw
279 2011-06-12 01:40:53 <Gekz> luke-jr: do they all attend the same church?
280 2011-06-12 01:41:13 <luke-jr> Gekz: no?
281 2011-06-12 01:41:18 <Gekz> lawl
282 2011-06-12 01:41:29 <luke-jr> &
283 2011-06-12 01:41:44 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: give me the url
284 2011-06-12 01:41:56 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: https://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=6667.500
285 2011-06-12 01:42:18 <theymos> I probably won't keep mining in the long-term. My room was just cold during the last few days, so I thought I'd mine to warm it up and try out the new pools. (The last pool I was in was the puddinpop pool.)
286 2011-06-12 01:42:35 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: btw, your op post, edit it
287 2011-06-12 01:42:39 <luke-jr> lol
288 2011-06-12 01:42:45 <Diablo-D3> you dont type out the entire java command anymore
289 2011-06-12 01:42:53 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: then what?
290 2011-06-12 01:43:06 <Diablo-D3> its just DiabloMiner-Windows.exe (or -Linux.sh or -OSX.sh)
291 2011-06-12 01:44:02 <luke-jr> [b][color=green]DiabloMiner[/color][/b]: DiabloMiner-Windows.exe  -u [u][i]YourAddress[/i][/u] -p x -o mining.eligius.st -r 8337 -g 5
292 2011-06-12 01:44:04 <luke-jr> ?
293 2011-06-12 01:44:23 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: you dont use passwords right? you can drop the -p
294 2011-06-12 01:44:33 <Diablo-D3> and it does longpoll now, so it ignores -g
295 2011-06-12 01:44:39 <Diablo-D3> and -g defaulted to 5 anyhow
296 2011-06-12 01:45:26 <spq> hm, whats required to open an exchange?
297 2011-06-12 01:45:38 <Diablo-D3> spq: nothing, but the legal aspect is very daunting
298 2011-06-12 01:46:07 <genewitch> my pool is sitting 1 block behind all the other ones
299 2011-06-12 01:46:09 <spq> so only a lawyer review about how to do it...?
300 2011-06-12 01:46:33 <genewitch> Diablo-D3: i thought it was legal but the problem was fraudsters
301 2011-06-12 01:46:37 <Diablo-D3> spq: well, for one, if you're in the US, or you have any US customers, you have to report on them if they do more than iirc $1k transactions per month
302 2011-06-12 01:47:02 <spq> well, im in the us
303 2011-06-12 01:47:05 <spq> ahm
304 2011-06-12 01:47:13 <Diablo-D3> spq: also, accepting basically any actual cash means some institution can reverse the transaction which puts EVERY user of the exchange at risk
305 2011-06-12 01:47:14 <spq> im not in the us :P
306 2011-06-12 01:47:30 <genewitch> yeah, chargebacks, since you can't chargeback BTC.
307 2011-06-12 01:47:39 <genewitch> but you can chargeback a visa or a paypal transaction
308 2011-06-12 01:47:40 <Diablo-D3> you dont have to be in the us, but it also applies to foreign exchanges that accept US users
309 2011-06-12 01:47:56 <Diablo-D3> you can chargeback tons of shit
310 2011-06-12 01:48:11 <spq> hmm, i thought about only accepthing non chargeback stuff
311 2011-06-12 01:48:34 <Diablo-D3> spq: money orders if they're secure in your country and then old them for 2 weeks is an option
312 2011-06-12 01:48:39 <netxshare> Diablo-D3: when was the last release of your miner?
313 2011-06-12 01:48:44 <Diablo-D3> ACHs are dangerous in the US, but apparently not in Europe
314 2011-06-12 01:48:49 <luke-jr> theymos: forums are erroring
315 2011-06-12 01:48:54 <Diablo-D3> netxshare: hrm, 2-3 days ago I think, check github
316 2011-06-12 01:48:54 <luke-jr> Notice: Undefined index: ignore_show in /var/www/bitcoin/smf/Sources/Display.php on line 791
317 2011-06-12 01:48:55 <theymos> What error?
318 2011-06-12 01:48:59 <spq> ACHs?
319 2011-06-12 01:49:01 <theymos> Still happening?
320 2011-06-12 01:49:10 <luke-jr> yes
321 2011-06-12 01:49:15 <Diablo-D3> spq: automated clearing house... electronic draft for checking accounts, etc
322 2011-06-12 01:49:15 <luke-jr> at least on https://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=6667.msg97375#msg97375
323 2011-06-12 01:49:15 <theymos> What page?
324 2011-06-12 01:49:23 <luke-jr> at the top
325 2011-06-12 01:49:26 <luke-jr> above the header
326 2011-06-12 01:49:41 <Diablo-D3> looks like config error
327 2011-06-12 01:50:05 <theymos> Gone now. I was trying to install the "ignore user" mod, but it must be broken.
328 2011-06-12 01:50:18 <spq> Diablo-D3: i thought about using moneybookers...
329 2011-06-12 01:50:41 <Diablo-D3> spq: not safe.
330 2011-06-12 01:50:46 <spq> why?
331 2011-06-12 01:50:48 <luke-jr> theymos: wanna test out https://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=14947.msg201823#msg201823 too?
332 2011-06-12 01:50:49 <Diablo-D3> they've been known to just lock accounts and steal their money
333 2011-06-12 01:50:57 <Diablo-D3> they're like paypal but sleazier
334 2011-06-12 01:51:33 <spq> well paypal has reasons
335 2011-06-12 01:51:39 <spq> they forbid it
336 2011-06-12 01:51:42 <genewitch> paypal can suck my peg
337 2011-06-12 01:51:42 <theymos> luke-jr: More people need to review that one. You said there might be bugs. I don't want to spend hours fixing problems caused by unexpected bugs (like I did yesterday)...
338 2011-06-12 01:51:43 <spq> mb doesnt
339 2011-06-12 01:51:53 <Diablo-D3> spq: Im not even talking btc related
340 2011-06-12 01:51:55 <Diablo-D3> just in general
341 2011-06-12 01:52:02 <genewitch> does the pushpoold dev ever come in here?
342 2011-06-12 01:52:02 <luke-jr> theymos: easy to revert if it breaks? :p
343 2011-06-12 01:52:04 <Diablo-D3> anyone know the url for poclbm?
344 2011-06-12 01:52:10 <luke-jr> genewitch: yes, jgarzik
345 2011-06-12 01:52:26 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: it's on github
346 2011-06-12 01:52:27 <genewitch> github jgarzik master
347 2011-06-12 01:52:34 <Diablo-D3> I meant the thread
348 2011-06-12 01:52:39 <luke-jr> o
349 2011-06-12 01:52:44 <Diablo-D3> and phoenix's thread too
350 2011-06-12 01:52:47 <Diablo-D3> I cant fucking find them
351 2011-06-12 01:52:51 <jgarzik> Diablo-D3: adding stickies?
352 2011-06-12 01:52:54 <Diablo-D3> jgarzik: yeah
353 2011-06-12 01:52:56 <jgarzik> cool
354 2011-06-12 01:52:58 <luke-jr> phoenix has lots of issues with Eligius for some people
355 2011-06-12 01:53:01 <genewitch> Diablo-D3: oh i have those
356 2011-06-12 01:53:02 <luke-jr> no idea why
357 2011-06-12 01:53:09 <spq> so u mean one has to make contracts with banks to accept money and be able to send money?
358 2011-06-12 01:53:10 <luke-jr> other people report no problem
359 2011-06-12 01:53:18 <Diablo-D3> OHOHOH
360 2011-06-12 01:53:23 <Diablo-D3> http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?action=profile;u=14001
361 2011-06-12 01:53:25 <Diablo-D3> see that avatar?
362 2011-06-12 01:53:27 <jgarzik> Diablo-D3: do cpuminer while you're at it: http://forum.bitcoin.org/?topic=1925.0
363 2011-06-12 01:53:31 <genewitch> Diablo-D3: http://forum.bitcoin.org/?topic=1334.0
364 2011-06-12 01:53:39 <genewitch> dor pypoclbm
365 2011-06-12 01:53:41 <Diablo-D3> thats a very well known hentai artist :D
366 2011-06-12 01:55:44 <Diablo-D3> okay I have dm, cpuminer, poclbm stickied, and deepbit, btcbuild, bitcoins.lc, and swepool and eligius
367 2011-06-12 01:56:43 <genewitch> are those pools?
368 2011-06-12 01:56:51 <genewitch> i wish my pool updated the database properly
369 2011-06-12 01:56:54 <genewitch> :-(
370 2011-06-12 01:57:03 <Diablo-D3> genewitch: the second list is ;)
371 2011-06-12 01:57:03 <jgarzik> Diablo-D3: if you sticky every pool and every miner, it will be a page full of sticky ;)
372 2011-06-12 01:57:09 <jgarzik> and no other threads visible on first page
373 2011-06-12 01:57:19 <Diablo-D3> jgarzik: well, the major 4 miners, and the 5 largest pools seem to be enough
374 2011-06-12 01:57:25 <Diablo-D3> and its not like I mind a bunch of sticky
375 2011-06-12 01:57:25 <genewitch> his spam plan will come to fruition
376 2011-06-12 01:57:27 <theymos> Exactly what I don't want is a page full of sticky threads. If that many stickies are needed, then there should be a subforum.
377 2011-06-12 01:57:35 <jgarzik> simplecoin, continuuum(sp?), ecocoin, ...
378 2011-06-12 01:57:42 <Diablo-D3> theymos: mining is for mining only
379 2011-06-12 01:57:50 <genewitch> form called "miners" and a forum called "pools"
380 2011-06-12 01:58:00 <genewitch> Mining_Clients
381 2011-06-12 01:58:01 <Diablo-D3> genewitch: eh I dont like that
382 2011-06-12 01:58:05 <genewitch> Mining_Pools
383 2011-06-12 01:58:22 <genewitch> well mining pools shouldn't exist
384 2011-06-12 01:58:24 <genewitch> IMO
385 2011-06-12 01:58:36 <Diablo-D3> half a page of stickies for such a complex subject is fine
386 2011-06-12 01:58:48 <theymos> It's not fine. It's annoying.
387 2011-06-12 01:58:55 <genewitch> as a forum. for instance my pool is running and works, but it won't pay out shares right now because the DB is broken
388 2011-06-12 01:58:57 <Diablo-D3> theymos: and btw, I dont think mining should have any threads in the mining section
389 2011-06-12 01:59:04 <Diablo-D3> I just cant think of a better solution
390 2011-06-12 01:59:32 <genewitch> Diablo-D3: Client Tweaks/Help
391 2011-06-12 01:59:35 <genewitch> ?
392 2011-06-12 02:00:19 <luke-jr> IMO, there sohuld be a subforum for each pool
393 2011-06-12 02:00:27 <luke-jr> except pools that run their own private forums
394 2011-06-12 02:00:28 <genewitch> luke-jr: they have their own forums though
395 2011-06-12 02:00:29 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: just the interesting pools, and clients
396 2011-06-12 02:00:33 <luke-jr> genewitch: not all
397 2011-06-12 02:00:49 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: yeah, but software should have subforums under development, not mining :p
398 2011-06-12 02:00:51 <genewitch> why should bitcoin.org pay if they don't want to :-P
399 2011-06-12 02:01:09 <luke-jr> genewitch: the point is to reduce clutter ;)
400 2011-06-12 02:01:24 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: true.
401 2011-06-12 02:01:56 <Diablo-D3> and then basically empty the mining section out by force
402 2011-06-12 02:02:08 <Graet> !seen nanotube
403 2011-06-12 02:02:22 <spq> n8
404 2011-06-12 02:02:34 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: shrug, there's gotta be *some* generic mining stuff ther
405 2011-06-12 02:02:39 <jgarzik> theymos: is there any way to make someone read-only (disable posting)?  Atlas isn't too happy about the animated image thing :)
406 2011-06-12 02:02:42 <genewitch> does this channel care about pushpoold? It seems to be broken with mysql, not updating shares/active columns in pool_worker and shares tables. also the hashrate isn't showing up. It's the weekend so responses on the forums are real slow
407 2011-06-12 02:02:52 <jgarzik> genewitch: it works just fine
408 2011-06-12 02:03:01 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: yeah but its largely annoying pool/miner specific shit
409 2011-06-12 02:03:24 <jgarzik> theymos: I don't want to ban him, though
410 2011-06-12 02:03:26 <theymos> jgarzik: What animated image thing?
411 2011-06-12 02:03:27 <genewitch> jgarzik: not here, and there's no errors whatsoever :-/ but clients can connect to it, and bitcoind hands out work just fine, and the frontend is assigning passwords and stuff
412 2011-06-12 02:03:33 <jgarzik> theymos: animated image signature
413 2011-06-12 02:03:58 <theymos> Are you deleting all of his posts because he has an animated signature? :(
414 2011-06-12 02:04:02 <Diablo-D3> dude
415 2011-06-12 02:04:06 <Diablo-D3> who the fuck is using an animated sig
416 2011-06-12 02:04:08 <Diablo-D3> ban the fucker
417 2011-06-12 02:04:18 <jgarzik> Diablo-D3: I don't want to ban him permanently
418 2011-06-12 02:04:23 <jgarzik> theymos: damn right I am
419 2011-06-12 02:04:32 <Diablo-D3> jgarzik: well, give him a warning
420 2011-06-12 02:04:32 <luke-jr> &&&&.
421 2011-06-12 02:04:36 <Diablo-D3> be an annoying fucker again
422 2011-06-12 02:04:37 <Diablo-D3> its perm
423 2011-06-12 02:04:41 <genewitch> http://cloudp.ath.cx/stats.php <--- see? Nothin. but bitcoind debug.log and /tmp/shares.log and /tmp/request.log are rolling and working fine
424 2011-06-12 02:04:42 <theymos> That's not cool. He has lots of good posts. I'll just remove his signature.
425 2011-06-12 02:04:44 <jgarzik> Diablo-D3: already done -- and already ignored
426 2011-06-12 02:05:06 <Diablo-D3> infact
427 2011-06-12 02:05:09 <jgarzik> <shrug> he refuses to change his sig.  making a personal stand.  I presume he will just change his sig back.
428 2011-06-12 02:05:12 <Diablo-D3> images shouldnt be allowed in sigs
429 2011-06-12 02:05:19 <jgarzik> Diablo-D3: 1000% agreed
430 2011-06-12 02:05:33 <genewitch> what about pool banners that are tiny like bitcoinpool's
431 2011-06-12 02:05:47 <Diablo-D3> genewitch: annoying as fuck
432 2011-06-12 02:05:47 <genewitch> ban gifs!
433 2011-06-12 02:05:52 <luke-jr> genewitch: ban GIF is ok :D
434 2011-06-12 02:05:59 <noagendamarket> look at overclockers for annoying sigs
435 2011-06-12 02:06:01 <genewitch> compuserv royalties, imo
436 2011-06-12 02:06:08 <jgarzik> theymos: whatever makes his sig stop appearing, that's fine
437 2011-06-12 02:06:38 <Diablo-D3> btw, theymos, jgarzik
438 2011-06-12 02:06:47 <Diablo-D3> Ive stickied 8 threads
439 2011-06-12 02:06:53 <Diablo-D3> thats about a quarter of the first page
440 2011-06-12 02:07:04 <Diablo-D3> it doesnt even make it to the bottom of the scroll
441 2011-06-12 02:07:18 <Diablo-D3> that SHOULD be enough to cut down on the bullshit threads that people start because they cant find the main one
442 2011-06-12 02:07:26 <genewitch> cloudfront, you guys need cloudfront for the forums
443 2011-06-12 02:07:32 <Diablo-D3> genewitch: fuck that dude
444 2011-06-12 02:07:39 <Diablo-D3> I could make my own fucking forum and cdn at that point
445 2011-06-12 02:07:41 <genewitch> it's so sloooow
446 2011-06-12 02:07:43 <jgarzik> genewitch: cloudfront doesn't keep out the trolls ;)
447 2011-06-12 02:07:57 <genewitch> well, it's almost keeping me out :-/
448 2011-06-12 02:07:58 <theymos> It's really not that slow for me.
449 2011-06-12 02:08:03 <genewitch> and i am a witch not a troll
450 2011-06-12 02:08:09 <theymos> I wonder what's different about my configuration.
451 2011-06-12 02:08:19 <theymos> Is it slow for everyone?
452 2011-06-12 02:08:22 <genewitch> Diablo-D3: conflict of interest your thread is top sticky
453 2011-06-12 02:08:32 <Diablo-D3> genewitch: no, forum lists it by last posted in
454 2011-06-12 02:08:46 <jgarzik> theymos: slow here
455 2011-06-12 02:09:02 <Diablo-D3> genewitch: if I posted in the poclbm thread, it'd go to the top
456 2011-06-12 02:09:15 <genewitch> oh, i thought stickies were stuck in place
457 2011-06-12 02:09:21 <genewitch> brb tracert
458 2011-06-12 02:09:44 <theymos> Is it slower than yesterday? I made some changes recently that should have sped things up significantly.
459 2011-06-12 02:09:54 <Diablo-D3> theymos: its not as shittastic as it was
460 2011-06-12 02:11:13 <nanotube> Graet: ?
461 2011-06-12 02:11:21 <genewitch> dude, rackspace? seriously?
462 2011-06-12 02:12:49 <theymos> jgarzik is no longer a moderator because I now have to restore like 50 of Atlas's posts...
463 2011-06-12 02:14:14 <genewitch> http://pastebin.com/1QTQ7egL traceroutes from CA and VA
464 2011-06-12 02:15:32 <genewitch> But it's just 5 seconds before i even start getting data in Los Angeles, at least.
465 2011-06-12 02:21:09 <jgarzik> theymos: <rolls eyes>
466 2011-06-12 02:21:20 <jgarzik> Just confirms that the forum is toast
467 2011-06-12 02:21:28 <Diablo-D3> the forum has too much fucking traffic
468 2011-06-12 02:21:32 <Diablo-D3> but I think I saved the mining forum
469 2011-06-12 02:21:35 <Diablo-D3> er, section
470 2011-06-12 02:21:44 <gmaxwell> :-/
471 2011-06-12 02:21:49 <gmaxwell> The forum is a cesspool.
472 2011-06-12 02:21:49 <jgarzik> Diablo-D3: bitcoin-development list was just created @ SF by Gavin
473 2011-06-12 02:21:55 <jgarzik> devs agree
474 2011-06-12 02:22:07 <gmaxwell> I don't know what posts that jgarzik moderated, but I find it hard to believe that it wasn't crap.
475 2011-06-12 02:22:08 <Diablo-D3> jgarzik: url?
476 2011-06-12 02:22:14 <jgarzik> and it's utterly impossible to show forum to reporters or business professionals
477 2011-06-12 02:22:48 <jgarzik> Diablo-D3: https://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=244765
478 2011-06-12 02:23:30 <Graet> nanotube was going to ask you about gribble, and my chan #ozcoin is it possible to have gribble  join? either answer is fine :)
479 2011-06-12 02:23:30 <theymos> The forum is more than just Bitcoin development. It is (supposed to be) a good, low-moderation forum for discussion of many topics. Moderation needs to be increased when there is a ton of trolls, however.
480 2011-06-12 02:23:42 <gmaxwell> What jgarzik said. I'm embarassed to tell friends about bitcoin for fear that they'll load the forums and find a wall of dickhead blabbering on about black helicopters and prediction markets for killing babies or whatever.
481 2011-06-12 02:24:27 <Diablo-D3> yeah
482 2011-06-12 02:24:33 <jgarzik> discussion among devs + major exchange ops + major pool ops seems to lean towards swapping weusecoins forum with current forum
483 2011-06-12 02:24:43 <jgarzik> and then pushing for "business professional" conduct
484 2011-06-12 02:29:33 <Graet> i like that
485 2011-06-12 02:30:46 <Graet> is there somwhere small/new pool owners can join to observe (apart from in here?)
486 2011-06-12 02:30:48 <gmaxwell> I do too. I'm not really too concerned with people being rude as I am about people being crazy. But asking people to behave professional is probable adequate.
487 2011-06-12 02:30:53 <noagendamarket> jgarzik that sounds like an excellent idea
488 2011-06-12 02:30:54 <genewitch> people who own fast video cards generally aren't professional
489 2011-06-12 02:30:55 <genewitch> i'm just throwing that out there.
490 2011-06-12 02:33:30 <nanotube> how hard would it be to implement? does that come built into smf, the mod-queue bits?
491 2011-06-12 02:33:45 <gmaxwell> That will just annoy normal users and the crapflooders who don't know how to select tor exits, no?
492 2011-06-12 02:33:53 <nanotube> Graet: cheers :)
493 2011-06-12 02:34:00 <Graet> :)
494 2011-06-12 02:34:02 <theymos> nanotube: It doesn't come built in.
495 2011-06-12 02:34:09 <nanotube> gmaxwell: based on user accounts, not ips.
496 2011-06-12 02:34:23 <nanotube> gmaxwell: and based on account age
497 2011-06-12 02:34:42 <nanotube> so 'normal users' who are not made-this-week, won't see any changes, ideally.
498 2011-06-12 02:34:47 <theymos> I would totally redesign the forum system if I had time. The current moderation scheme is very bad.
499 2011-06-12 02:35:22 <nanotube> theymos: well, how about phpbb's system? that seems to be the most popular forum sw
500 2011-06-12 02:35:26 <nanotube> though i can't say i have experience with it myself
501 2011-06-12 02:35:28 <theymos> That's just about the same, IIRC.
502 2011-06-12 02:35:31 <jgarzik> [ANN] New bitcoin development mailing list - http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=15527.0
503 2011-06-12 02:35:32 <nanotube> theymos: iow, also shitty?
504 2011-06-12 02:35:55 <nanotube> jgarzik: who controls who's allowed to post? hope that's moderated.
505 2011-06-12 02:36:46 <gmaxwell> nanotube: usually unmoderating new users on the first good post, and then kicking off people who are complete idiots is more than enough.
506 2011-06-12 02:37:03 <gmaxwell> I think most of the problems on the forums are a few jerks plus an overall stupid culture.
507 2011-06-12 02:37:10 <Diablo-D3> theymos: so, lets see if my plan cuts down on the absolute bullshit that is the miner section
508 2011-06-12 02:37:14 <Diablo-D3> gmaxwell: dude
509 2011-06-12 02:37:16 <Diablo-D3> 90% of people
510 2011-06-12 02:37:18 <Diablo-D3> suck dick
511 2011-06-12 02:37:38 <Diablo-D3> hitler was wrong... why kill jews when you can ground stupid people up for cat food?
512 2011-06-12 02:37:40 <gmaxwell> Diablo-D3: most people can pretend to be reasonable if they know that its required and expected.
513 2011-06-12 02:37:49 <Diablo-D3> gmaxwell: bullshit
514 2011-06-12 02:38:02 <nanotube> gmaxwell: that'd work just as well. as long as there's /some/ barrier to entry, in addition to just creating an account. :)
515 2011-06-12 02:38:04 <Diablo-D3> do I have to go find the commercial from that one movie theatre that bans text messages?
516 2011-06-12 02:38:27 <gmaxwell> I mean, I assume you have a job and such and that you don't act like you do on IRC everywhere else&
517 2011-06-12 02:38:30 <gmaxwell> ;)
518 2011-06-12 02:39:56 <jgarzik> nanotube: unmoderated... we'll see what happens
519 2011-06-12 02:40:27 <theymos> Anyone want to be a mod for the newbie section? It's going too fast for me to handle.
520 2011-06-12 02:40:29 <jgarzik> nanotube: I doubt 4chan people know what email is ;)
521 2011-06-12 02:40:37 <nanotube> jgarzik: haha they can probably read wikipedia about it and figure it out, given sufficient time, though. :)
522 2011-06-12 02:40:40 <theymos> You know, there are plenty of very good discussions on 4chan outside of /b/...
523 2011-06-12 02:40:43 <Diablo-D3> gmaxwell: nope, I pretty much wont stand for bullshit anywhere
524 2011-06-12 02:41:29 <genewitch> i may be biased but as i mentioned earlier xkcd forums sort of automod anyone that posts pictures, links, etc in the first 10 posts, and usually require the first post to be in a huge newbie introduction thread.
525 2011-06-12 02:41:29 <gmaxwell> nanotube: if it gets too bad require new users pay 1btc to the faucet to join. ;)
526 2011-06-12 02:41:29 <nanotube> theymos: what's the newbie section? must be new? :) is it "people with accounts < 1week old can only post here" board? or some such?
527 2011-06-12 02:41:34 <genewitch> it's a tiny barrier to entry, that will shuffle out all but the most anal of trolls
528 2011-06-12 02:42:01 <gmaxwell> genewitch: barriers to entry usually toss more good users than trolls... you only notice the troll reduction.
529 2011-06-12 02:42:04 <theymos> nanotube: Yes, though it's based on post counts since SMF doesn't support age restrictions (or at least not both age+post, which is necessary).
530 2011-06-12 02:42:06 <nanotube> gmaxwell: haha indeed, that'd be cool.
531 2011-06-12 02:42:45 <nanotube> theymos: ah i see. well, the ability to pump up post count by spamming the newbie section seems... counterproductive. :)
532 2011-06-12 02:42:50 <gmaxwell> genewitch: a troll is trying to cause trouble and is burning effort to do it. A good person is probably instead trying to do _you_ a favor. Making it cost more to do you good isn't a good tradeoff.
533 2011-06-12 02:43:00 <theymos> nanotube: That's why mods are needed.
534 2011-06-12 02:43:21 <nanotube> so is that section auto-moderated? i.e., post doesn't make it through before mod lets it?
535 2011-06-12 02:43:24 <genewitch> i would mod if i had time
536 2011-06-12 02:43:35 <theymos> nanotube: Nope, SMF doesn't support that, either.
537 2011-06-12 02:44:03 <noagendamarket> why dont we have a "get satisfaction" for bitcoin ?
538 2011-06-12 02:44:24 <noagendamarket> there is no way to get customer service other than post in the cesspool
539 2011-06-12 02:44:46 <genewitch> yeah the barrier to entry for bitcoin is pretty high
540 2011-06-12 02:45:18 <genewitch> i looked at a couple of sites months ago and tried running bitcoind on my server, but nothing happened so i just got bored and moved on.
541 2011-06-12 02:45:27 <noagendamarket> we dont need a new forum we need a customer service site
542 2011-06-12 02:45:49 <genewitch> there's a wiki!
543 2011-06-12 02:45:51 <gmaxwell> noagendamarket: sounds like someone should make a "yahoo answers for bitcoin" with the ability to setup seperate moderated sections.
544 2011-06-12 02:46:19 <noagendamarket> http://getsatisfaction.com/
545 2011-06-12 02:46:30 <genewitch> oh man i do not like that site
546 2011-06-12 02:46:50 <genewitch> minecraft uses it and the people there are more jerky than #ubuntu
547 2011-06-12 02:46:50 <noagendamarket> there is a stack exchange site in the works apparently
548 2011-06-12 02:48:04 <Graet> heh lots of ppl see exchange sites as easy money. be interesting how many eventuate ;)
549 2011-06-12 02:48:06 <jgarzik> [ANN] Bitcoin v0.3.23 release candidate available - http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=15533.0
550 2011-06-12 02:51:14 <gmaxwell> jgarzik: the commnts on fees will create confusion ::shrugs::
551 2011-06-12 02:51:14 <noagendamarket> jgarzik does that include the cia back door ?
552 2011-06-12 02:51:15 <noagendamarket> :)
553 2011-06-12 02:51:23 <gmaxwell> e.g. people will continue to tell people to run .19 because it has no fees. citing "Client will relay transactions with fees as low as 0.0001 BTC"
554 2011-06-12 02:52:51 <Ellipsis753> Hey, I was wondering if someone here could help me out. I know very little about cryptography and am trying to learn more. I was wondering about ways it could be implemented peer-to-peer. I came up with a simple way and can't work out why it's wrong. I'm sure it must be but I'm not sure why it is. Basically can someone please let me try explain it to them and then tell me why it's wrong? : P I know this really
555 2011-06-12 02:53:17 <jgarzik> gmaxwell: wording suggestions welcome.  too many people mistakenly believe that 0.01 fee is required
556 2011-06-12 02:54:49 <genewitch> jgarzik: is there a changelog from the tarball on the forums and the git repo?
557 2011-06-12 02:55:11 <genewitch> i don't get git, hrr
558 2011-06-12 02:56:10 <gmaxwell> Transaction fee-minimum reduced to 0.0005 for low priority transactions,    normal transactions remain free
559 2011-06-12 02:56:12 <genewitch> i notice there's db-mysql diagnostics somewhere, but i don't get how to turn them on
560 2011-06-12 02:56:13 <gmaxwell> Relay fee-minimum for low priority transactions reduced to 0.0001, normal transactions remain relayed without fee.
561 2011-06-12 02:56:20 <gmaxwell> ... dunno if thats an improvment. It's tricky.
562 2011-06-12 02:56:34 <genewitch> gmaxwell: 0.05BTC costs 0.0005 to send.
563 2011-06-12 02:56:34 <gmaxwell> It would also be helpful that when you generate a low prio txn if the client told you _why_.
564 2011-06-12 02:56:42 <gmaxwell> genewitch: it does not.
565 2011-06-12 02:56:50 <genewitch> gmaxwell: you can now choose 0.001 instead of 0.01
566 2011-06-12 02:56:54 <genewitch> no?
567 2011-06-12 02:56:54 <gmaxwell> genewitch: No.
568 2011-06-12 02:56:54 <jgarzik> genewitch: ?
569 2011-06-12 02:57:00 <jgarzik> genewitch: I posted the changelog in the announcement
570 2011-06-12 02:57:13 <gmaxwell> and it was misunderstood, as I said it would be. :)
571 2011-06-12 02:57:20 <genewitch> jgarzik: i'm using the git repo because i cannot for the life of me figure out why it's not updating the database
572 2011-06-12 02:57:25 <jgarzik> gmaxwell: updated post.  better?
573 2011-06-12 02:57:31 <jgarzik> genewitch: see git documentation
574 2011-06-12 02:58:08 <gmaxwell> jgarzik, yes, though I'd go a bit further and say "low priority" in the first two lines, because they do sound like they cover everything.
575 2011-06-12 02:58:12 <genewitch> for using git or the documentation on git for pushpoold?
576 2011-06-12 02:58:39 <genewitch> i compiled the git version, i am about to see if it works
577 2011-06-12 02:58:51 <jgarzik> gmaxwell: it's not just for low priority TX's... fees raise priority above normal priority, as well
578 2011-06-12 02:59:15 <gmaxwell> jgarzik: yea... ugh. I know this, but explaining it requires a freeking whiteboard.
579 2011-06-12 02:59:24 <jgarzik> gmaxwell: indeed :/
580 2011-06-12 02:59:34 <gmaxwell> jgarzik: people mostly care about what is forced, now what threshold boosts priority.
581 2011-06-12 03:00:16 <gmaxwell> s/now/not/    oh well. bedtime.
582 2011-06-12 03:02:26 <genewitch> jgarzik: http://pastebin.com/vAwGqU5u this is what is happening, everything is working except db backend I'd love to fix it but what code should i look in, db-mysql.c or server.c or what?
583 2011-06-12 03:03:00 <jgarzik> genewitch: mysql works great for plenty of people
584 2011-06-12 03:03:18 <genewitch> 1938 shares.log <--wc -l
585 2011-06-12 03:03:34 <jgarzik> genewitch: there is a problem with your db or schema or somesuch, locally
586 2011-06-12 03:04:09 <genewitch> why isn't pushpoold complaining somewhere? it's like it's not even erroring out when it trys to run "UPDATE" query
587 2011-06-12 03:04:32 <genewitch> it can read the DB it's just not bothering to update anything
588 2011-06-12 03:06:35 <jgarzik> genewitch: look in syslog for any output
589 2011-06-12 03:06:38 <genewitch> jgarzik: i'm not trying to be a pain in the ass, but i've dumped 14 hours into trying to get this to work. it wouldn't even compile on gentoo.
590 2011-06-12 03:06:45 <jgarzik> genewitch: and crank up debugging
591 2011-06-12 03:06:57 <jgarzik> genewitch: luke-jr  uses it on gentoo, IIRC, to run a major pool
592 2011-06-12 03:07:10 <genewitch> i run -D 2
593 2011-06-12 03:07:25 <luke-jr> genewitch: emerge =pushpool-9999
594 2011-06-12 03:07:47 <genewitch> luke-jr: not on gentoo with this one
595 2011-06-12 03:07:52 <genewitch> i switched to ubuntu
596 2011-06-12 03:07:55 <luke-jr> fail
597 2011-06-12 03:08:10 <genewitch> hey i posted the problem in the forum yesterday
598 2011-06-12 03:08:15 <jgarzik> luke-jr: speaking of... my scrollback lost your git url.  can you repost to me, please?
599 2011-06-12 03:08:23 <genewitch> i was getting a socket address cannot use this protocol error on gentoo
600 2011-06-12 03:08:31 <genewitch> every time pushpoold tried to start
601 2011-06-12 03:08:31 <luke-jr> git://gitorious.org/~Luke-Jr/bitcoin/luke-jrs-pushpool.git
602 2011-06-12 03:08:49 <genewitch> what is special about that?
603 2011-06-12 03:09:07 <jgarzik> [jgarzik@bd pushpool]$ git pull git://gitorious.org/~Luke-Jr/bitcoin/luke-jrs-pushpool.git master
604 2011-06-12 03:09:10 <jgarzik> luke-jr: ^^
605 2011-06-12 03:09:20 <luke-jr> jgarzik: it's called "personal"
606 2011-06-12 03:10:12 <genewitch> as you can see, work is being done, no errors are being output, and the database is not getting updated http://pastebin.com/WYLNSkf5
607 2011-06-12 03:10:50 <jgarzik> genewitch: did you turn on share logging in the config?
608 2011-06-12 03:11:23 <jgarzik> genewitch: sharelog:true
609 2011-06-12 03:11:30 <genewitch> yes, hence the tail /tmp/shares.log
610 2011-06-12 03:11:49 <genewitch> oh, no that's not in the example config
611 2011-06-12 03:11:52 <jgarzik> genewitch: file != db
612 2011-06-12 03:12:45 <genewitch> is there a list of everything i can put in the server.json somewhere?
613 2011-06-12 03:14:47 <jgarzik> "The last posting from your IP was less than 300 seconds ago. Please try again later."
614 2011-06-12 03:14:56 <jgarzik> for a PM.  fscking unbelieveable.
615 2011-06-12 03:15:10 <CIA-31> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * rd917fe3c435b pushpool/Makefile.am: Bugfix: libraries must be in LDADD, not LDFLAGS http://tinyurl.com/3rdzewj
616 2011-06-12 03:15:31 <theymos> I would apply that restriction only to new accounts if SMF supported it.
617 2011-06-12 03:16:45 <genewitch> 300 seconds?
618 2011-06-12 03:16:58 <genewitch> 15 is a lot more sane
619 2011-06-12 03:17:16 <genewitch> that's 4 spams per minute at full tilt, more than enough time to nip it in the bud
620 2011-06-12 03:18:13 <genewitch> "sharelog" : true is set now, how long do i have to wait for db updates?
621 2011-06-12 03:18:21 <genewitch> does that have to be in the db part?
622 2011-06-12 03:24:09 <genewitch> yeah, i enabled that, it's still not updating the DB, but shares are still rolling in on the pool. I am going to try moving sharelog : true into the database section.
623 2011-06-12 03:27:57 <genewitch> does this look like a normal -D 2 -F output http://pastebin.com/8b0rS9qy or is it missing something?
624 2011-06-12 03:28:18 <genewitch> luke-jr: ^ if you would be so kind as to let me know if that looks right
625 2011-06-12 03:38:36 <andrew12> ;;bc,stats
626 2011-06-12 03:38:39 <gribble> Current Blocks: 130208 | Current Difficulty: 567358.22457067 | Next Difficulty At Block: 131039 | Next Difficulty In: 831 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 20 hours, 20 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 817583.78548642
627 2011-06-12 03:42:31 <Joric> http://www.uploadscreenshot.com/image/352880/7556996
628 2011-06-12 03:43:22 <Joric> classic!
629 2011-06-12 03:43:57 <noagendamarket> haha
630 2011-06-12 03:45:23 <mtrlt> :D
631 2011-06-12 03:48:07 <muffinz> ;;bc,stats
632 2011-06-12 03:48:09 <gribble> Current Blocks: 130210 | Current Difficulty: 567358.22457067 | Next Difficulty At Block: 131039 | Next Difficulty In: 829 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 20 hours, 20 minutes, and 29 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 817110.46282334
633 2011-06-12 03:57:29 <genewitch> jgarzik: i added  applog(LOG_ERR, "mysql command is %s", stmt); at line 170 and suddenly everything is working. WTF. Over.
634 2011-06-12 03:57:39 <genewitch> in db-mysql.c
635 2011-06-12 03:57:43 <genewitch> that's all i changed.
636 2011-06-12 04:01:04 <genewitch> i really don't get it. Problem solved. I changed it back to spare my syslogger and it's working fine now.
637 2011-06-12 04:03:17 <lorph> is it possible to setup a test network myself so I can test my pool software
638 2011-06-12 04:03:49 <alystair> lorph: secondary test area no good?
639 2011-06-12 04:03:51 <Raccoon> are there any 'block explorer' programs one can run locally?
640 2011-06-12 04:03:55 <Raccoon> windows or linux
641 2011-06-12 04:04:16 <lorph> alystair: how long does it take to generate a block on testnet?
642 2011-06-12 04:04:26 <Raccoon> would be neat to examine the history of the coins in your wallet
643 2011-06-12 04:04:28 <alystair> no idea.
644 2011-06-12 04:04:32 <muffinz> ;;bc,stats
645 2011-06-12 04:04:34 <gribble> Current Blocks: 130211 | Current Difficulty: 567358.22457067 | Next Difficulty At Block: 131039 | Next Difficulty In: 828 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 20 hours, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 817322.44845529
646 2011-06-12 04:04:41 <Raccoon> explore a 2d network graph
647 2011-06-12 04:04:46 <muffinz> so difficulty is going up by 47%?
648 2011-06-12 04:04:56 <Raccoon> muffinz: that's not bad.
649 2011-06-12 04:05:07 <Raccoon> could be 300% i understand
650 2011-06-12 04:05:23 <muffinz> how does the difficulty estimate work?
651 2011-06-12 04:05:24 <genewitch> no, down
652 2011-06-12 04:05:29 <genewitch> higher number = easier
653 2011-06-12 04:05:48 <Raccoon> he didn't say number, he said difficulty
654 2011-06-12 04:06:04 <genewitch> the estimate, and i was talking to muffinz
655 2011-06-12 04:06:20 <Raccoon> lower difficulty factor, higher difficulty
656 2011-06-12 04:06:50 <genewitch> are you disagreeing or agreeing with what i said
657 2011-06-12 04:06:59 <ArtForz> yes
658 2011-06-12 04:07:05 <muffinz> Current Difficulty: 567358.22457067 -- Next Difficulty Estimate: 817322.44845529
659 2011-06-12 04:07:14 <ArtForz> don't mix up difficulty with target
660 2011-06-12 04:07:22 <ArtForz> higher difficulty = harder
661 2011-06-12 04:07:26 <genewitch> no
662 2011-06-12 04:07:31 <ArtForz> YES
663 2011-06-12 04:07:33 <Raccoon> Current Difficulty: 567358.22457067
664 2011-06-12 04:07:40 <Raccoon> are you saying it will get harder or easier
665 2011-06-12 04:07:42 <genewitch> i thought 1 was the hardest difficulty
666 2011-06-12 04:07:48 <genewitch> is what i am saying
667 2011-06-12 04:07:49 <ArtForz> higher difficulty = lower target = harder, I am pretty sure I know this shit by heart
668 2011-06-12 04:07:50 <mtrlt> if something gets more difficult, it does not get easier
669 2011-06-12 04:07:53 <mtrlt> it gets more difficult
670 2011-06-12 04:07:57 <ArtForz> 1 is easierst possible
671 2011-06-12 04:08:12 <genewitch> because if you punch that into the bitcoin calc it says 330mh/s nets you 73,000 USD a day
672 2011-06-12 04:08:17 <genewitch> oh
673 2011-06-12 04:08:21 <ArtForz> which is about 1 in 2**32 tries yielding a valid blocks
674 2011-06-12 04:08:23 <ArtForz> -s
675 2011-06-12 04:08:23 <genewitch> that makes sense, i'm just stupid
676 2011-06-12 04:08:32 <genewitch> i'm really burned, guys
677 2011-06-12 04:08:40 <genewitch> sorry. i finally got my pool working though, so YAY
678 2011-06-12 04:08:44 <ArtForz> difficulty 100 means ... about 1 in 2**32 * 100 tries gets a block
679 2011-06-12 04:08:48 <ArtForz> etc.
680 2011-06-12 04:09:03 <genewitch> yes yes i misread something 3 days ago :-)
681 2011-06-12 04:09:17 <ArtForz> diff 1 is not exactly 1 in 2**32, but close enough for normal purposes
682 2011-06-12 04:09:20 <genewitch> it's $73,000 per day if difficulty is 1 because you can mine so many blocks
683 2011-06-12 04:09:33 <ArtForz> yep
684 2011-06-12 04:10:12 <genewitch> so harder means less mh/s and therefore less btc overall, but btc should be worth more? because the supply goes down
685 2011-06-12 04:10:23 <ArtForz> err... no
686 2011-06-12 04:10:35 <ArtForz> higher diff at same mh/s = less btc generated
687 2011-06-12 04:10:38 <genewitch> same mh/s?
688 2011-06-12 04:10:49 <ArtForz> but to *get* higher diff, total mh/s has to rise
689 2011-06-12 04:10:54 <genewitch> yeah
690 2011-06-12 04:11:20 <genewitch> however the falloff in price would suggest that less mining is going to happen (since demand is low) so the difficulty should get lower, no?
691 2011-06-12 04:11:30 <ArtForz> in theory, yes
692 2011-06-12 04:11:32 <genewitch> it's going up because of the crazy spike a few days ago
693 2011-06-12 04:11:43 <ArtForz> in practice, mining is still profitable as hell, so... no.
694 2011-06-12 04:11:56 <genewitch> yeah, don't i know it.
695 2011-06-12 04:12:12 <genewitch> as long as the price stablizes i should make the same $ per hour regardless of the difficulty
696 2011-06-12 04:12:21 <genewitch> That's the way i've looked at it, correct me if i am wrong
697 2011-06-12 04:12:30 <ArtForz> really long term... yes
698 2011-06-12 04:12:38 <genewitch> good, so i am not as stupid as i type
699 2011-06-12 04:13:05 <muffinz> well
700 2011-06-12 04:13:18 <muffinz> as difficulty increases, you will need the price to increase to maintani the same yield
701 2011-06-12 04:13:39 <ArtForz> yep
702 2011-06-12 04:13:41 <muffinz> if the price remains at $10, and difficulty increases by 25% each time.. you'll eventually lose money
703 2011-06-12 04:13:53 <ArtForz> recent price/diff was rather... unusual
704 2011-06-12 04:13:59 <ArtForz> muffinz: in theory, yes
705 2011-06-12 04:14:11 <ArtForz> in practice, that means there has to be lots of people with free power
706 2011-06-12 04:14:11 <mtrlt> but the diff can't keep going up because no-one's gonna add mining power if it makes them lose more money
707 2011-06-12 04:14:18 <ArtForz> yep
708 2011-06-12 04:14:21 <genewitch> i just snapshot the pool server and i am going to reload it on smaller hardware.
709 2011-06-12 04:14:32 <genewitch> no sense paying 50 times what i need to for the 12 people that are going to use it
710 2011-06-12 04:15:02 <genewitch> where did that difficulty estimate come from, is there software that does that?
711 2011-06-12 04:15:23 <genewitch> like where's gribble's code getting it from
712 2011-06-12 04:15:33 <Namegduf> I don't think it's that complex.
713 2011-06-12 04:15:46 <genewitch> it's in the spec?
714 2011-06-12 04:15:49 <genewitch> :-D
715 2011-06-12 04:15:57 <Namegduf> Difficulty adjustments are
716 2011-06-12 04:17:46 <muffinz> the amont of people mining has soared in the last few days... i suspect the difficulty estimate extrapolates that going forward, which it likely shouldn't..
717 2011-06-12 04:19:58 <genewitch> 87918TFLOP/s is the highest i've seen
718 2011-06-12 04:20:16 <genewitch> it was at 84k a few days ago, and 79k last night
719 2011-06-12 04:20:51 <muffinz> so the expected new difficulty is lower today than it was a few days ago?
720 2011-06-12 04:22:10 <jgarzik> ArtForz: did you give up on ASIC completely?
721 2011-06-12 04:22:26 <ArtForz> jgarzik: sASIC... yup
722 2011-06-12 04:22:54 <ArtForz> price/perf and power/perf is not enough above FPGA to make it interesting
723 2011-06-12 04:23:41 <gjs278> ;;bc,stats
724 2011-06-12 04:23:42 <gribble> Current Blocks: 130214 | Current Difficulty: 567358.22457067 | Next Difficulty At Block: 131039 | Next Difficulty In: 825 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 19 hours, 53 minutes, and 45 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 816608.57458616
725 2011-06-12 04:23:46 <gjs278> ;;bc,mtgox
726 2011-06-12 04:23:46 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":23.99,"low":10.5,"vol":155879,"buy":10.5,"sell":10.54,"last":10.5}}
727 2011-06-12 04:23:54 <gjs278> lol
728 2011-06-12 04:25:47 <genewitch> ArtForz: you do fpga stuff?
729 2011-06-12 04:26:03 <ArtForz> yep
730 2011-06-12 04:26:31 <genewitch> ArtForz: i was really into evolutionary fpga stuff a few months back, pretty awesome. i've been looking for a good book on programming verilog/vhdl, got any recommendations?
731 2011-06-12 04:31:27 <gjs278> the internet
732 2011-06-12 04:34:56 <genewitch> should i write a guide to getting pushpoold set up?
733 2011-06-12 04:35:24 <quellhorst> genewitch: yes
734 2011-06-12 04:35:40 <genewitch> gjs278: the internet is a terrible place to learn the really specific languages. For example, i submit Logo. Good luck finding out how to program Logo from the internet.
735 2011-06-12 04:35:42 <quellhorst> how do you list bc commands?
736 2011-06-12 04:35:47 <quellhorst> or gribble commands i mean
737 2011-06-12 04:35:51 <gjs278> logo doesn't work
738 2011-06-12 04:35:55 <gjs278> because the word is too common to google
739 2011-06-12 04:36:08 <gjs278> same with "go"
740 2011-06-12 04:36:12 <genewitch> Ok, fine. Eisel.
741 2011-06-12 04:36:14 <gjs278> ;;bc,help
742 2011-06-12 04:36:14 <gribble> Alias bc,24hprc, Alias bc,avgprc, Alias bc,bcm, Alias bc,blocks, Alias bc,btceur, Alias bc,btcgbp, Alias bc,btcguild, Alias bc,btcrub, Alias bc,calc, Alias bc,calcd, Alias bc,channels, Alias bc,convert, Alias bc,deepbit, Alias bc,diff, Alias bc,diffchange, Alias bc,eligius, Alias bc,estimate, Alias bc,fx, Alias bc,gen, Alias bc,gend, Alias bc,help, Alias bc,hextarget, Alias bc,interval, (1 more message)
743 2011-06-12 04:36:21 <gjs278> quellhorst there you go
744 2011-06-12 04:36:39 <genewitch> can you whisper him?
745 2011-06-12 04:36:54 <gjs278> sure
746 2011-06-12 04:37:02 <jgarzik> interesting
747 2011-06-12 04:37:26 <jgarzik> now helpful posts describing why the bitcoin network is slow (incl. workarounds) are being deleted from the forum
748 2011-06-12 04:37:43 <gjs278> anticensorship unless you h8 bitcoins
749 2011-06-12 04:38:32 <quellhorst> thanks
750 2011-06-12 04:38:38 <quellhorst> ^^ gjs278
751 2011-06-12 04:43:33 <ArtForz> jgarzik: the one in general?
752 2011-06-12 04:43:49 <genewitch> jgarzik: your posts?
753 2011-06-12 04:44:04 <gjs278> I doubt any mod would delte his posts
754 2011-06-12 04:44:08 <noagendamarket> jgarzik who is doing that ?
755 2011-06-12 04:44:21 <genewitch> jgarzik: and isn't the backbone of the bitcoin thing IRC? maybe there was a netsplit :-)
756 2011-06-12 04:44:24 <gjs278> whoever is an admin can view the logs
757 2011-06-12 04:44:33 <gjs278> of the admin panel for the forums
758 2011-06-12 04:44:39 <gjs278> so find one of them and we'll know
759 2011-06-12 04:45:31 <genewitch> jgarzik: on a related topic to earlier do you mind if i write a guide to getting pushpoold working for people who just want to play with it?
760 2011-06-12 04:45:31 <jgarzik> ArtForz: no, a post in Newbies
761 2011-06-12 04:45:34 <jgarzik> genewitch: yes
762 2011-06-12 04:45:36 <jgarzik> noagendamarket: dunno
763 2011-06-12 04:45:57 <ArtForz> huh, thats weird
764 2011-06-12 04:46:06 <gjs278> you mind that he writes the guide
765 2011-06-12 04:46:08 <genewitch> gjs278: see, his posts. i think. and he's lagging.
766 2011-06-12 04:46:22 <genewitch> no, i think he's lagging.
767 2011-06-12 04:46:29 <gjs278> he's in a blackhole
768 2011-06-12 04:46:32 <jgarzik> ArtForz: not so weird, perhaps.  I zapped some of Atlas's posts, and then theymos dropped me as mod, and made Atlas a mod.
769 2011-06-12 04:46:35 <gjs278> currently time is going slower
770 2011-06-12 04:46:37 <jgarzik> wiki edit wars, revisited
771 2011-06-12 04:46:45 <ArtForz> aargh
772 2011-06-12 04:46:55 <gjs278> how could they demod the man doing cbs interviews
773 2011-06-12 04:46:59 <genewitch> gjs278: put the pipe down
774 2011-06-12 04:47:09 <genewitch> gjs278: politics
775 2011-06-12 04:47:14 <ArtForz> I *hate* forum politics
776 2011-06-12 04:47:14 <genewitch> and animated gifs
777 2011-06-12 04:47:16 <genewitch> story at 9
778 2011-06-12 04:47:21 <gjs278> do a forum takeover
779 2011-06-12 04:47:22 <noagendamarket> heh well that explains it jgarzik
780 2011-06-12 04:47:28 <jgarzik> yep
781 2011-06-12 04:47:38 <noagendamarket> the anarchists have taken over :)
782 2011-06-12 04:47:40 <jgarzik> I don't fight wars anymore.  I just move on...
783 2011-06-12 04:47:45 <jgarzik> life's too short
784 2011-06-12 04:48:01 <jgarzik> yet another reason why bitcoin-development list was created
785 2011-06-12 04:58:52 <UukGoblin> ;;bc,stats
786 2011-06-12 04:58:55 <gribble> Current Blocks: 130221 | Current Difficulty: 567358.22457067 | Next Difficulty At Block: 131039 | Next Difficulty In: 818 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 18 hours, 53 minutes, and 20 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 817553.99678330
787 2011-06-12 05:04:31 <dirtyfilthy> i wonder if the problems with bitcoins stability are inevitable, and if so an inevitable effect of markets or of the protocol itself.
788 2011-06-12 05:05:04 <dirtyfilthy> or just it's embryionic stage of developemnt
789 2011-06-12 05:05:46 <Optimo> I see into the deep future that things will get more stable as more computer-driven trading and algo is introduced and everything is tuned to minimize fees
790 2011-06-12 05:06:09 <Optimo> like if the protocol could run for infinity it would be very stable..
791 2011-06-12 05:06:31 <genewitch> Optimo: like the way the stockmarket is run? options to predict volume moves and the day traders paying the bulk of transactional fees?
792 2011-06-12 05:06:38 <dirtyfilthy> i'm not sure algo trading adds to stability
793 2011-06-12 05:06:54 <Optimo> wayyy in the future
794 2011-06-12 05:07:06 <Optimo> when margins are slim and volume is unimaginably higher
795 2011-06-12 05:08:06 <Optimo> or when 1btc==100,000 usd. a several points drop is small change inside the bitcoin economy
796 2011-06-12 05:08:18 <dirtyfilthy> i kinda think this is the inevitable effect of people having large numbers of bitcoins they got for practically nothing and being able to make mad profits at pretty much any price
797 2011-06-12 05:09:41 <Optimo> if you look at the trendline from 2 months ago ... it will probably look more like that gradual trend. this big correction today brings the mean wayy back down to look like the old movement
798 2011-06-12 05:10:07 <Optimo> the true trend is no bubble
799 2011-06-12 05:10:51 <ArtForz> so if it drops below, that's no true scotsm... trend! ;)
800 2011-06-12 05:13:24 <Graet> he guys, been searching round looking /asking. is there a upto date comprehensive list of active pools. the list i find are either incomplete or surprise me that there arent more pools
801 2011-06-12 05:13:42 <gmaxwell> 23:46 < jgarzik> ArtForz: not so weird, perhaps.  I zapped some of Atlas's posts, and then theymos dropped me as mod, and made Atlas a mod.
802 2011-06-12 05:13:45 <gmaxwell> wow.
803 2011-06-12 05:14:30 <ArtForz> gmaxwell: and you thought only WP had preschool level politics, eh? ;)
804 2011-06-12 05:14:36 <gmaxwell> thats pretty ... well consistent with the overall lack of good judgement shown by the forum community as a whole.
805 2011-06-12 05:15:03 <CIA-31> bitcoin: Daniel Folkinshteyn * rf71f9a809f9b supybot-bitcoin-marketmonitor/GPG/helperscripts/bitcoin-otc-gpgauth-colloquy.applescript: GPG: add credit to gpg auth colloquy script. http://tinyurl.com/6beu6n4
806 2011-06-12 05:15:31 <gmaxwell> ArtForz: usually thats tactful enough to conceal the overt retaliation. Oh well.
807 2011-06-12 05:17:15 <wumpus> jgarzik: maybe remove the link to the forum from the bitcon.org site
808 2011-06-12 05:18:16 <gmaxwell> wumpus: I make that typo to, its quite unfortunate.
809 2011-06-12 05:18:56 <gmaxwell> There is a lot of good information in the forums which needs to get migrated to a better venue. The wiki would be obvious if its not going to suffer the same fate.
810 2011-06-12 05:19:22 <wumpus> the problem is that it is growing way faster than it can handle
811 2011-06-12 05:20:06 <wumpus> wiki would suffer the same fate, you'd need some very active moderators like wikipedia otherwise it'll be trolltown very quickly
812 2011-06-12 05:20:40 <ArtForz> and then you're back in mod kindergarten
813 2011-06-12 05:21:10 <wumpus> yes
814 2011-06-12 05:22:53 <gmaxwell> wumpus: most of the useful stuff doesn't need public editing in any case, it just need reasonable curation.
815 2011-06-12 05:24:47 <wumpus> gmaxwell: it's the time to separate 'bitcoin the open source project' and 'bitcoin the block chain'
816 2011-06-12 05:25:23 <wumpus> gmaxwell: we've done that here on irc and it works pretty well
817 2011-06-12 05:25:35 <ArtForz> yep
818 2011-06-12 05:33:32 <combo> ;;bc,stats
819 2011-06-12 05:33:39 <gribble> Current Blocks: 130227 | Current Difficulty: 567358.22457067 | Next Difficulty At Block: 131039 | Next Difficulty In: 812 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 17 hours, 59 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 818849.68065830