1 2011-06-13 00:00:48 <gmaxwell> clojure: Nah, thats not how it works. It's not a race. There is no limit on how many blocks can be solved. So someone can solve before you and then you can go on to solve a second later.
  2 2011-06-13 00:00:56 <gmaxwell> clojure: there is no work lost when a block is solved by someone else (as there is no work conserved at all when you make a failed attempt)
  3 2011-06-13 00:01:35 <clojure> gmaxwell, interesting. I asked a similar question yesterday and I understood from the answer that it was a race.
  4 2011-06-13 00:01:55 <clojure> Only the client who brodcasts the right answer to the p2p gets the 50 coins
  5 2011-06-13 00:02:12 <gmaxwell> clojure: the reason to not cpu mine is that you'll get very little (perhaps less than the power cost depending on the CPU and power prices), not none at all though.. and only because it's slow in an absolute sense.
  6 2011-06-13 00:02:29 <gmaxwell> clojure: yes. Thats correct but it doesn't make it a race. It would be if there would only be one winner.
  7 2011-06-13 00:02:42 <clojure> so, by what you are saying if you run any miner, you will get some fraction of a copy once you solve that block, even if that block has already been mined by other nodes.
  8 2011-06-13 00:02:56 <forrestv> peter345978, i'm actively running a gpu on testnet
  9 2011-06-13 00:03:11 <gmaxwell> clojure: the correct mental model is you and me standing around throwing dice. Everyone time we roll a 1 we get paid $1. If you roll 2x as fast you'll make more than me, but I'd still make the money all the same.
 10 2011-06-13 00:03:25 <peter345978> forrestv: I see. Makes sense, and useful to the community.
 11 2011-06-13 00:03:29 <clojure> gmaxwell, Thanks. I have to read/research more. I have some money to invest and I am debating if buying hardware is better than mining ( I am tecnical ).
 12 2011-06-13 00:03:50 <gmaxwell> clojure: No you'll get some other block, not a fraction of a prior block.
 13 2011-06-13 00:04:30 <mIKEjONES> if I wanted to start my own pool what should I use?
 14 2011-06-13 00:04:32 <clojure> ( I am out to read the bitcoin paper ) I need to really understand this. Because I can buy a few coins, or I can mine them.
 15 2011-06-13 00:04:34 <mIKEjONES> if I wanted to start my own pool what should I use as a server?
 16 2011-06-13 00:05:59 <gmaxwell> clojure: Yea, I have no advice for you there. I think running miners is fun. I'd do it without getting paid for it. Different people have different desires and risk tolerances.
 17 2011-06-13 00:06:01 <clojure> gmaxwell, yep. Thanks
 18 2011-06-13 00:06:07 <clojure> I like risk.
 19 2011-06-13 00:06:57 <cut> do i have to do something in pushpolld to get the recent work shares to be verified by upstream?
 20 2011-06-13 00:07:32 <cut> upstream_result/reason column in shares table is all null
 21 2011-06-13 00:07:50 <forrestv> can somebody send me some testnet coins? preferably a lot?
 22 2011-06-13 00:08:08 <forrestv> i don't want to wait a day to collect some generated coins and i'm trying to test something
 23 2011-06-13 00:08:29 <gmaxwell> forrestv: the faucet doesn't have a billion?
 24 2011-06-13 00:08:39 <forrestv> oh, there's a faucet?
 25 2011-06-13 00:09:59 <gmaxwell> https://testnet.freebitcoins.appspot.com/
 26 2011-06-13 00:10:15 <gmaxwell> only giving away 5.. used to give away 50.
 27 2011-06-13 00:11:09 <denisx> re
 28 2011-06-13 00:11:24 <forrestv> yeah... anybody have 1000 lying around? i'll return them if you want
 29 2011-06-13 00:13:31 <denisx> I only have 329
 30 2011-06-13 00:15:43 <forrestv> denisx, that's good ... n1ZdBmVih5VU7d5Wguuw2L6BkZvwwqNJRN if you don't mind ... i can return them tomorrow, i have 1000 maturing
 31 2011-06-13 00:15:57 <mIKEjONES> anyone seen satoshi around? he told me he'd be on in at :15
 32 2011-06-13 00:16:08 <denisx> forrestv: I need some for testing too
 33 2011-06-13 00:16:15 <denisx> I could send you 100
 34 2011-06-13 00:16:17 <forrestv> ah
 35 2011-06-13 00:16:19 <forrestv> ok
 36 2011-06-13 00:16:46 <etotheipi> I get this error under Win7 x64 when attempting to use the official client (0.3.22): http://i.imgur.com/90TbB.png
 37 2011-06-13 00:17:04 <etotheipi> I hope this is the correct channel ;-P
 38 2011-06-13 00:17:20 <denisx> etotheipi: I don't think o
 39 2011-06-13 00:17:21 <denisx> so
 40 2011-06-13 00:17:37 <etotheipi> should I report it in #bitcoin instead?
 41 2011-06-13 00:18:05 <clojure> Do I need to install a newer version of my client (3.22-beta) for my bitcoin address be considered valid at the testnet-faucet?
 42 2011-06-13 00:19:48 <clojure> I get an error (Invalid Bitcoin address.) when I submit
 43 2011-06-13 00:21:09 <peter345978> Does it start with 'n' or 'm' & needs to be a testnet address.
 44 2011-06-13 00:21:57 <clojure> Nope. How can I generate a new address that falls in the range of testnet.? Do I need a new client ?
 45 2011-06-13 00:22:59 <peter345978> No, just take what you have, and enable testnet& "testnet=1" in bitcoin.conf; restart. Re-download the block chain (not long)
 46 2011-06-13 00:23:15 <peter345978> Doesn't touch your existing data/coins.
 47 2011-06-13 00:24:35 <clojure> ok, thanks
 48 2011-06-13 00:26:26 <mIKEjONES> what is the difference between finding a nonce that works and solving for a block?
 49 2011-06-13 00:28:45 <forrestv> mIKEjONES, nothing
 50 2011-06-13 00:30:31 <mIKEjONES> so... when a pool gives me a share what exactly is that?
 51 2011-06-13 00:30:40 <lorph> what does H-not-zero mean
 52 2011-06-13 00:30:56 <mIKEjONES> am I getting credit for a nonce that works? if so, I can't believe I'm finding blocks at a rate of 1 every couple of minuts
 53 2011-06-13 00:30:59 <mIKEjONES> minutes*
 54 2011-06-13 00:31:59 <wistiu> mIKEjONES: nice supercomputer
 55 2011-06-13 00:33:15 <mIKEjONES> so when I solve for a block shouldn't the network block number increment?
 56 2011-06-13 00:33:22 <mIKEjONES> [2011-06-12 22:20:56] PROOF OF WORK RESULT: true (yay!!!)
 57 2011-06-13 00:33:28 <mIKEjONES> ^ that's the message I'm refering to
 58 2011-06-13 00:33:50 <luke-jr> mIKEjONES: those are shares, not blocks
 59 2011-06-13 00:33:58 <luke-jr> mIKEjONES: also, don't use Deepbit
 60 2011-06-13 00:34:01 <wistiu> what pool are you in mIKEjONES?
 61 2011-06-13 00:34:08 <wistiu> luke-jr: why not
 62 2011-06-13 00:34:32 <mIKEjONES> wistiu: deepbit :S
 63 2011-06-13 00:34:34 <luke-jr> wistiu: because it destabilizes the entire Bitcoin ecosystem
 64 2011-06-13 00:34:44 <wistiu> luke-jr: are you running a competing pool ?
 65 2011-06-13 00:34:49 <mIKEjONES> luke-jr: so what is a share?
 66 2011-06-13 00:34:55 <luke-jr> wistiu:  http://eligius.st or #Eligius
 67 2011-06-13 00:35:11 <wistiu> i c... so you would benefit from ppl switching from deepbit to your pool
 68 2011-06-13 00:35:17 <luke-jr> mIKEjONES: a difficulty-1 block, not accepted by the network, but proof that you're working
 69 2011-06-13 00:35:27 <luke-jr> wistiu: everyone benefits
 70 2011-06-13 00:35:30 <wistiu> could this conflict of interest have anything to do with your anti-deepbit hatred?
 71 2011-06-13 00:35:34 <luke-jr> wistiu: no
 72 2011-06-13 00:36:09 <luke-jr> wistiu: I gain nothing personally from more people using the pool
 73 2011-06-13 00:36:09 <wistiu> except more fees
 74 2011-06-13 00:36:10 <luke-jr> nope
 75 2011-06-13 00:36:17 <luke-jr> the tiny fees are per-second, not per-miner nor per-MH
 76 2011-06-13 00:36:42 <luke-jr> and really just for debugging, it never amounts to anything worthwhile
 77 2011-06-13 00:36:46 <wistiu> but you keep the fees on new blocks
 78 2011-06-13 00:36:49 <luke-jr> ie, it's like 0.0003%
 79 2011-06-13 00:36:57 <lorph> how is it for debugging
 80 2011-06-13 00:37:15 <luke-jr> lorph: the "fee" is really binary data encoded into the output :p
 81 2011-06-13 00:37:35 <mtrlt> he's talking about tx fees.
 82 2011-06-13 00:37:40 <luke-jr> oh
 83 2011-06-13 00:37:45 <luke-jr> every pool keeps txn fees
 84 2011-06-13 00:37:50 <luke-jr> they never amount to much yet either
 85 2011-06-13 00:38:03 <denisx> when I send coins, there are two comment fields, is one only for the sender and comment-to is for the receiver?
 86 2011-06-13 00:38:20 <luke-jr> denisx: no, the receiver gets no messages
 87 2011-06-13 00:38:58 <forrestv> denisx, can you send me that 100, then, please? msqWU8GSV89jPeRLgzTjUA25pKsUtbvG1o
 88 2011-06-13 00:39:08 <iz> are all those comments just OP_DROPs in the public chain?
 89 2011-06-13 00:39:14 <lorph> luke-jr: do you use push pool
 90 2011-06-13 00:39:14 <luke-jr> wistiu: mIKEjONES: if you want to read more about how Deepbit destabilizes Bitcoin, it's mentioned in the original Bitcoin paper by Satoshi
 91 2011-06-13 00:39:24 <luke-jr> lorph: yes
 92 2011-06-13 00:39:44 <lorph> luke-jr: oh i can't get it to work
 93 2011-06-13 00:40:27 <denisx> forrestv: ok, send it
 94 2011-06-13 00:40:40 <luke-jr> wait
 95 2011-06-13 00:40:41 <luke-jr> send it to me
 96 2011-06-13 00:40:43 <lorph> i am trying to make my own, but I don't understand how pushpool verifies hashes
 97 2011-06-13 00:40:43 <luke-jr> :p
 98 2011-06-13 00:41:14 <luke-jr> wistiu: mIKEjONES: specifically, the 50% problem
 99 2011-06-13 00:41:23 <mIKEjONES> luke-jr: oh so those are just fake blocks the server wants me to find?
100 2011-06-13 00:41:45 <luke-jr> mIKEjONES: they're real hashes of a potential block, but at a lower difficulty than the real network
101 2011-06-13 00:42:00 <luke-jr> mIKEjONES: it proves you're looking for the block
102 2011-06-13 00:42:13 <luke-jr> it might ALSO earn the real block for the pool, if it matches the higher difficulty too
103 2011-06-13 00:42:38 <forrestv> thanks
104 2011-06-13 00:43:08 <lorph> what's the algorithm for verifying a hash?
105 2011-06-13 00:43:17 <lorph> the wiki says its just sha256(sha256(data))
106 2011-06-13 00:43:31 <lorph> but pushpool and poold seems to reverse the bytes, etc...
107 2011-06-13 00:43:35 <luke-jr> lorph: yep; you can also read the code
108 2011-06-13 00:43:49 <lorph> luke-jr: can you point me to the definitive source
109 2011-06-13 00:43:53 <mIKEjONES> luke-jr: what do you mean difficulty?
110 2011-06-13 00:44:05 <mIKEjONES> blah better yet is this discussed anywhere, it seems like it would be :S
111 2011-06-13 00:44:42 <luke-jr> mIKEjONES: it's all in the Bitcoin paper
112 2011-06-13 00:50:03 <CIA-31> bitcoin: Daniel Folkinshteyn * rbecde9d3699c supybot-bitcoin-marketmonitor/RatingSystem/plugin.py: RatingSystem: add method to get cumulative rating from other plugins http://tinyurl.com/688kvz3
113 2011-06-13 00:50:04 <CIA-31> bitcoin: Daniel Folkinshteyn * rd1125877df71 supybot-bitcoin-marketmonitor/GPG/plugin.py: GPG: add _info method to get registered user data from other plugins http://tinyurl.com/6j6clff
114 2011-06-13 00:50:05 <CIA-31> bitcoin: Daniel Folkinshteyn * rc905e5e4c28e supybot-bitcoin-marketmonitor/ (GPG/plugin.py RatingSystem/plugin.py): GPG/RatingSystem: add forgotten self to external-use methods http://tinyurl.com/6bc6kjk
115 2011-06-13 00:50:12 <CIA-31> bitcoin: Daniel Folkinshteyn * r46680b8fc796 supybot-bitcoin-marketmonitor/Gatekeeper/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Gatekeeper: new plugin to help keeping out the riffraff from -otc. http://tinyurl.com/6f7h98w
116 2011-06-13 00:54:00 <mIKEjONES> luke-jr: I can't seem to find a mention of difficulty 1 blocks
117 2011-06-13 00:55:58 <luke-jr> mIKEjONES: they're called shares. try #Eligius
118 2011-06-13 00:57:37 <Joric> did anyone write glsl miner already?
119 2011-06-13 01:01:38 <upb> mIKEjONES: the way i understand it, that your miner is changing the hashed data
120 2011-06-13 01:02:05 <Sapience> Can someone provide me with documentation for how to start a pool? I looked for it and couldnt find any
121 2011-06-13 01:02:06 <upb> but instead of just reporting data and hashes that have the required leading zeroes
122 2011-06-13 01:02:15 <upb> it also reports the ones that have less
123 2011-06-13 01:05:20 <luke-jr> [23:01:52] <Joric> mtrlt, well, there is a fragment shader sha256 in glsl http://pastebin.com/fECgZQpc
124 2011-06-13 01:06:08 <Joric> might be actually slower than cpu miner
125 2011-06-13 01:13:57 <genewitch> How do i get blkmond to update me to the actual current block rather than lagging 1 behind all the time
126 2011-06-13 01:14:26 <genewitch> is this bitcoind's issue or blkmond settings where it doesn't update often enough
127 2011-06-13 01:15:04 <jgarzik> genewitch: I've never heard of anyone with that problem
128 2011-06-13 01:15:26 <genewitch> jgarzik: i know, you've never heard of anyone with any of my problems...
129 2011-06-13 01:15:52 <jgarzik> genewitch: pretty much
130 2011-06-13 01:16:03 <jgarzik> genewitch: all the other pools seem to work without these problems
131 2011-06-13 01:16:14 <genewitch> 161 |      130413 | 1307934001 |                |        0 in sc.networkBlocks
132 2011-06-13 01:16:37 <genewitch> jgarzik: that's completely irrelevant!
133 2011-06-13 01:17:00 <jgarzik> not really
134 2011-06-13 01:17:02 <genewitch> where's the documentation for blkmond? where's the stuff i can put in server.json for pushpoold?
135 2011-06-13 01:17:34 <genewitch> i have longpolling on and blkmon is sending sighup it's just lagging behind by 1 block
136 2011-06-13 01:17:34 <jgarzik> genewitch: no docs.  all it does is watch the network and send a Unix signal to a process
137 2011-06-13 01:17:43 <denisx> for me blkmond does not work with testnet
138 2011-06-13 01:17:51 <genewitch> it is sending sigusr or whatever
139 2011-06-13 01:18:07 <genewitch> So it's bitcoind that it is watching?
140 2011-06-13 01:18:11 <genewitch> the traffic there?
141 2011-06-13 01:18:24 <jgarzik> genewitch: blkmond is a P2P network node.  bitcoind is a P2P network node.
142 2011-06-13 01:18:40 <italiano40> if i wanted to add a way to have people to donate using bitcoins from inside my site, where would the api before that?
143 2011-06-13 01:18:54 <genewitch> what i am wondering is if whatever is updating networkBlocks table is subtracting 1
144 2011-06-13 01:19:29 <genewitch> before it puts the value in blockNumber
145 2011-06-13 01:19:52 <genewitch> because it's always consistently one block behind, not sometimes 2 or three or exactly the right block
146 2011-06-13 01:20:41 <genewitch> italiano40: sendtoaddress
147 2011-06-13 01:21:14 <italiano40> genewitch: do they have an api docs or a site that list all apis?
148 2011-06-13 01:21:35 <genewitch> italiano40: no, i think you're just supposed to learn it through osmosis
149 2011-06-13 01:21:35 <luke-jr> genewitch: I'm sure jgarzik would be happy to document pushpool for the right price.
150 2011-06-13 01:21:38 <denisx> genewitch: is your bitcoind maybe also behind=?
151 2011-06-13 01:22:01 <genewitch> denisx: well if blkmond is on the network too, shouldn't it be able to force to the next block?
152 2011-06-13 01:22:06 <genewitch> it thought that was the whole point
153 2011-06-13 01:22:33 <denisx> genewitch: it is NOT on the network, you connect it to a bitcoind
154 2011-06-13 01:22:34 <genewitch> denisx: why would bitcoind lag behind? some setting?
155 2011-06-13 01:22:46 <genewitch> denisx: jgarzik just said it was a p2p node
156 2011-06-13 01:22:59 <jgarzik> there is no "force to next block"  blkmond receives the block as it's distributed on the network.  there is always some small propagation delay.
157 2011-06-13 01:23:02 <italiano40> genewitch: are you going to link me to the site of the apis?
158 2011-06-13 01:23:17 <jgarzik> denisx: blkmond is of course on the network
159 2011-06-13 01:23:20 <genewitch> italiano40: i don't have a site, i don't mess with the apis
160 2011-06-13 01:23:34 <denisx> jgarzik: it is not only connect to one bitcoind?
161 2011-06-13 01:23:37 <genewitch> jgarzik: i'm looking at bitcoinpool's stats page to see what block it is on
162 2011-06-13 01:23:54 <jgarzik> denisx: it only connects to one node, yes
163 2011-06-13 01:24:04 <denisx> jgarzik: ok, thats what I meant
164 2011-06-13 01:24:05 <jgarzik> denisx: but that means it is "on the network"
165 2011-06-13 01:24:10 <genewitch> do i need to tell bitcoind to connect/add servers? because right now it's not (i think i turned off irc as well)
166 2011-06-13 01:24:19 <lorph> where is the function Hash defined in bitcoin?
167 2011-06-13 01:24:22 <jgarzik> denisx: blkmond gets P2P traffic just like any other node
168 2011-06-13 01:24:30 <jgarzik> lorph: ?
169 2011-06-13 01:24:44 <jgarzik> genewitch: as long as your connections > 0
170 2011-06-13 01:24:48 <lorph> jgarzik: which file is this function defined in return Hash(BEGIN(nVersion), END(nNonce));
171 2011-06-13 01:24:58 <jgarzik> grep -rwl Hash .
172 2011-06-13 01:25:01 <genewitch> jgarzik: there's a ton of stuff in the debug.log
173 2011-06-13 01:25:08 <jgarzik> genewitch: you think?
174 2011-06-13 01:25:09 <lorph> jgarzik: i'm browsing from github
175 2011-06-13 01:25:18 <genewitch> jgarzik: what should i grep to see if it has more than one connection
176 2011-06-13 01:25:29 <genewitch> grep -v MY_IP?
177 2011-06-13 01:26:21 <luke-jr> &&&&.
178 2011-06-13 01:26:25 <genewitch> yeah there's a ton of connections
179 2011-06-13 01:27:24 <genewitch> also my database is 147mb, which probably is a better indicator i'm actually connected to peers
180 2011-06-13 01:28:06 <genewitch> ls -al
181 2011-06-13 01:28:09 <jgarzik> genewitch: does your block height match bitcoinwatch?
182 2011-06-13 01:28:10 <genewitch> er
183 2011-06-13 01:31:13 <genewitch> i may be blind, where does it say block height, i've seen that info somewhere on a page
184 2011-06-13 01:31:53 <jgarzik> genewitch: getinfo
185 2011-06-13 01:34:07 <genewitch> no not that, on bitcoinwatch i don't see that info
186 2011-06-13 01:35:07 <Diablo-D3> woah
187 2011-06-13 01:35:13 <Diablo-D3> did someone split the forums?
188 2011-06-13 01:39:13 <genewitch> I'm sorry, i don't know how to do getinfo. 3 days. i've been doing this for three days.
189 2011-06-13 01:39:19 <genewitch> :-/
190 2011-06-13 01:42:29 <genewitch> oh, bitcoin getinfo says i don't have x11, i'll see if i can connect my local one to the server one.
191 2011-06-13 01:44:12 <denisx> sendtoaddress <bitcoinaddress> <amount> [comment] [comment-to]
192 2011-06-13 01:44:13 <denisx> <amount> is a real and is rounded to the nearest 0.01
193 2011-06-13 01:44:15 <genewitch> 100mb of packages to getinfo, glad i am on 100mbit
194 2011-06-13 01:44:21 <denisx> is that comment deprecated?
195 2011-06-13 01:44:26 <gmaxwell> denisx: yes.
196 2011-06-13 01:44:29 <denisx> gmaxwell: ok
197 2011-06-13 01:44:33 <gmaxwell> denisx: where does it say that?
198 2011-06-13 01:44:40 <denisx> gmaxwell: bitcoind 0.3.21
199 2011-06-13 01:44:41 <genewitch> denisx: what is the new one?
200 2011-06-13 01:44:45 <GuyinCognito> i need to sell all my bitcoins before it crashes
201 2011-06-13 01:44:46 <gmaxwell> doh.
202 2011-06-13 01:44:50 <denisx> genewitch: new one?
203 2011-06-13 01:44:57 <GuyinCognito> pls help.. ive already like over 12 thousand dollars
204 2011-06-13 01:45:05 <genewitch> i assume it got deprecated in favor of a new command
205 2011-06-13 01:45:11 <denisx> GuyinCognito: go to #bitcoin
206 2011-06-13 01:45:12 <genewitch> GuyinCognito: donate them all to me
207 2011-06-13 01:45:18 <GuyinCognito> they banned me
208 2011-06-13 01:45:26 <GuyinCognito> for being a "defeatist"
209 2011-06-13 01:45:34 <GuyinCognito> i think its a scam
210 2011-06-13 01:45:36 <pogden> GuyinCognito: welcome to forex
211 2011-06-13 01:47:55 <jgarzik> GuyinCognito: this is a dev channel.  go to #bitcoin or #bitcoin-otc or just go away.
212 2011-06-13 01:48:06 <GuyinCognito> shut up you!
213 2011-06-13 01:48:18 <genewitch> ;;bc,24hprc
214 2011-06-13 01:48:20 <gribble> 17.6148
215 2011-06-13 01:48:40 <genewitch> up $7 since last night. yeah, it's crashin alright <eyeroll.jpg>
216 2011-06-13 01:48:53 <GuyinCognito> what was it 2 days ago?
217 2011-06-13 01:49:00 <genewitch> 21
218 2011-06-13 01:49:00 <mtrlt> GuyinCognito: why not use mtgox?
219 2011-06-13 01:49:04 <jgarzik> genewitch: do not feel the trolls
220 2011-06-13 01:49:09 <jgarzik> mtrlt: do not feel the trolls
221 2011-06-13 01:49:12 <mtrlt> GuyinCognito: if you really wanna sell 'em all
222 2011-06-13 01:49:19 <jgarzik> *feed
223 2011-06-13 01:49:20 <jgarzik> even
224 2011-06-13 01:49:33 <jgarzik> though feeling up trolls is probably inadvisable as well
225 2011-06-13 01:49:50 <GuyinCognito> i have 50,000 dollars that im selling for 1 gram of kb per 100 bitcoins
226 2011-06-13 01:50:01 <mtrlt> 1 gram of kickban?
227 2011-06-13 01:50:05 <mtrlt> *bam*
228 2011-06-13 01:50:08 <GuyinCognito> err 50,000 bitcoins
229 2011-06-13 01:50:10 <GuyinCognito> that is
230 2011-06-13 01:50:17 <GuyinCognito> 100 bits for 1 gram
231 2011-06-13 01:50:33 <genewitch> can we ban traders?
232 2011-06-13 01:50:35 <nanotube> ;;op jgarzik
233 2011-06-13 01:50:38 <genewitch> also i have getinfo now
234 2011-06-13 01:50:52 <mtrlt> 1 gram of kickban! :)
235 2011-06-13 01:51:05 <genewitch> where do i get the blockheight from bitcoinwatch? i have access to bitcoin on the server now (3 libraries needed)
236 2011-06-13 01:51:21 <jgarzik> genewitch: Blocks -> Count
237 2011-06-13 01:51:50 <genewitch> yes those do match, sir
238 2011-06-13 01:52:46 <genewitch> Oh, wow, it was the other sites that are broken, totally awesome.
239 2011-06-13 01:53:06 <genewitch> Oh, wow, it was the other sites that are broken, totally awesome. learned how to use bitcoin better though. thanks jgarzik!
240 2011-06-13 01:54:30 <genewitch> yeah everything is synced up. I'll be writing that guide soonish, if that's ok with you, i asked last night but you were lagged and having posts deleted on the forums
241 2011-06-13 01:54:32 <cut> shares table from pushpolld, line 13 http://pastebin.com/yVqQMqp4 , does upstream_result=Y mean that i found a block on the testnet?
242 2011-06-13 01:54:44 <jgarzik> brb
243 2011-06-13 01:54:52 <genewitch> cut: share was accepted i think
244 2011-06-13 01:55:05 <genewitch> i.e. not stale
245 2011-06-13 01:55:09 <cut> so far thats the only row that has yielded any results
246 2011-06-13 01:55:34 <genewitch> cut: nah, there's only a couple in there, select * from shares_history
247 2011-06-13 01:56:01 <cut> shares_history in pushpolld?
248 2011-06-13 01:56:06 <genewitch> or tail -f /tmp/shares.log if you set that
249 2011-06-13 01:56:15 <genewitch> cut: oh in the database, i mean
250 2011-06-13 01:56:19 <denisx> when the pools do their payouts I assume they do it with a zero fee, is that correct?
251 2011-06-13 01:56:41 <genewitch> denisx: 0.01 per transaction are what my pools say /shrug
252 2011-06-13 01:57:03 <denisx> genewitch: and you subtract that from the payout?
253 2011-06-13 01:57:28 <genewitch> from the payee, since it's on the payout pages
254 2011-06-13 01:57:44 <genewitch> IE you ask for 1BTC you get 0.99BTC
255 2011-06-13 01:58:13 <denisx> genewitch: ok, fair enough
256 2011-06-13 01:58:33 <genewitch> it's not mandatory, i think it's per site
257 2011-06-13 01:58:50 <cut> genewitch: thats the only row in shares.log that has been verified by upstream
258 2011-06-13 01:58:53 <jgarzik> cut: upstream_result==Y means you found a full block/proof of work on the network, and received bitcoins
259 2011-06-13 01:59:03 <cut> jgarzik: thanks
260 2011-06-13 01:59:40 <denisx> genewitch: what is your pool?
261 2011-06-13 02:00:13 <genewitch> denisx: the software?
262 2011-06-13 02:00:20 <genewitch> denisx: pushpoold and simplecoin
263 2011-06-13 02:01:30 <denisx> genewitch: no, the poolname
264 2011-06-13 02:01:44 <genewitch> Friends of xkcd
265 2011-06-13 02:01:50 <denisx> ok
266 2011-06-13 02:01:57 <denisx> so, I need to go to bed
267 2011-06-13 02:01:58 <denisx> bb
268 2011-06-13 02:02:03 <genewitch> Alright
269 2011-06-13 02:03:52 <genewitch> upstream result == NULL means no money, right?
270 2011-06-13 02:04:04 <cut> genewitch: correct
271 2011-06-13 02:04:39 <genewitch> select * from shares_history where upstream_result != NULL;    | Empty set (0.00 sec)
272 2011-06-13 02:04:42 <genewitch> :-(
273 2011-06-13 02:05:03 <genewitch> cuddlefish: you're very sneaky
274 2011-06-13 02:05:12 <cut> genewitch: i'm on the testnet
275 2011-06-13 02:05:18 <genewitch> i was looking for you earlier
276 2011-06-13 02:05:42 <genewitch> cut: i'm not, hence the sadface
277 2011-06-13 02:06:10 <cut> how long does it take for the block to get on blockexplorer?
278 2011-06-13 02:07:18 <cut> nevermind
279 2011-06-13 02:10:51 <genewitch> cut: it never will from the test network.
280 2011-06-13 02:11:05 <genewitch> i figure this is logged, so i'll answer :-)
281 2011-06-13 02:11:23 <cut> if i'm running a private pool with a couple of friends, i could start counting the number of completed shares until the next block and then base payment on # of shares completed?
282 2011-06-13 02:11:30 <cut> blockexplorer has a section for testnet
283 2011-06-13 02:12:34 <genewitch> cut: you could get a frontend
284 2011-06-13 02:12:58 <genewitch> but if you save shares.log you could wc -l and grep per user and divide.
285 2011-06-13 02:13:12 <cut> i'm writing a frontend
286 2011-06-13 02:13:31 <cut> i dont care how its done, i'm wondering if the math is correct
287 2011-06-13 02:13:38 <genewitch> hold on
288 2011-06-13 02:13:49 <genewitch> (50 BTC - 1 BTC fee) * (shares found by user's workers) / (total shares in current round)
289 2011-06-13 02:14:05 <genewitch> that's a 2% rake, adjust the fee as you see fit
290 2011-06-13 02:14:12 <cut> ahh total shares is the missing number
291 2011-06-13 02:14:33 <genewitch> cut: total shars is the number of shares in shares
292 2011-06-13 02:14:48 <genewitch> not the ids, the count
293 2011-06-13 02:15:17 <genewitch> cut: for instance, sc.shares has 57 rows in my server
294 2011-06-13 02:15:27 <genewitch> the last one is id 5019
295 2011-06-13 02:15:52 <genewitch> make sense?
296 2011-06-13 02:15:53 <cut> i know how a database primary key works
297 2011-06-13 02:15:58 <genewitch> well shares gets deleted when a new block comes in
298 2011-06-13 02:16:04 <genewitch> not sure if that's my frontend or pushpulld
299 2011-06-13 02:16:26 <genewitch> rather, it can have 0 rows, and then the first row will be 5020 for me if it's a new block
300 2011-06-13 02:18:48 <genewitch> but if you want to consider ALL work done to get a block (not just the shares in the current block) you can use shares.log i think. or write shares_history in your database :-)
301 2011-06-13 02:19:26 <cut> (total shares in current round)   is that shares that my workers do, or is that network wide?
302 2011-06-13 02:19:36 <genewitch> network only
303 2011-06-13 02:19:51 <jgarzik> pushpoold just logs shares (INSERT), never deletes or accumulates shares
304 2011-06-13 02:20:14 <genewitch> jgarzik: ah, so my frontend moves them after a new block comes in
305 2011-06-13 02:20:19 <genewitch> good to know
306 2011-06-13 02:20:22 <jgarzik> cut: it is -not- network wide
307 2011-06-13 02:20:57 <genewitch> jgarzik: he was asking how to divvy payment, i gave the simplest calculation :-)
308 2011-06-13 02:21:45 <genewitch> jgarzik: by the way, i dunno if you read the support forums but i wanted to thank you for making pushpoold (and the other git commiters) - it's totally awesome.
309 2011-06-13 02:22:22 <lorph> jgarzik: what does h-not-zero mean
310 2011-06-13 02:22:35 <cut> genewitch: you dont really seem to know what you're talking about. sorry
311 2011-06-13 02:22:58 <cut> or at least you dont know what i'm talking about
312 2011-06-13 02:23:28 <jgarzik> lorph: H != 0.  for further elaboration, read the wiki on mining.
313 2011-06-13 02:24:05 <genewitch> cut: you said how to divvy shares. I said the calculation. you asked globally or just your pool, i answered that wrong, sorry, i just looked up, i meant your network only when i said network only, not globally.
314 2011-06-13 02:24:07 <Diablo-D3> okay so guys
315 2011-06-13 02:24:17 <Diablo-D3> is there a channel just for the forums?
316 2011-06-13 02:24:58 <jgarzik> Diablo-D3: you mean an IRC channel for forum admins?  not afaik
317 2011-06-13 02:28:07 <Diablo-D3> well, something thats considerably less traffic than the main three
318 2011-06-13 02:29:24 <lorph> jgarzik: i can't find any wiki entry on that
319 2011-06-13 02:29:26 <lorph> it obviously can't mean the whole header
320 2011-06-13 02:29:28 <jgarzik> lorph: it is a component of sha256 hash algorithm
321 2011-06-13 02:30:00 <lorph> jgarzik: I know H is bytes 28-32 after 2 rounds of sha-256, but I would like to know why
322 2011-06-13 02:30:41 <genewitch> same as if(Hash h <> NULL)?
323 2011-06-13 02:31:33 <genewitch> oh, not the same. :-)
324 2011-06-13 02:32:01 <forrestv> miner clients should check that H < target[0]
325 2011-06-13 02:32:12 <forrestv> not H == 0
326 2011-06-13 02:32:15 <forrestv> <=*
327 2011-06-13 02:32:17 <jgarzik> forrestv: useless
328 2011-06-13 02:32:17 <lorph> forrestv: https://github.com/shanew/pushpool/blob/master/msg.c#L298
329 2011-06-13 02:32:18 <forrestv> lorph, there are more pools than pushpool
330 2011-06-13 02:32:18 <jgarzik> forrestv: even at diff-1, H must be zero
331 2011-06-13 02:32:19 <lorph> i thought pushpool was the standard
332 2011-06-13 02:32:20 <davep> you could have sub-1 difficulty
333 2011-06-13 02:32:38 <davep> wouldnt be very useful
334 2011-06-13 02:32:39 <davep> :P
335 2011-06-13 02:32:50 <forrestv> useful for testing
336 2011-06-13 02:32:57 <ArtForzZz> default pool diff is sub-1
337 2011-06-13 02:33:04 <jgarzik> just barely :)
338 2011-06-13 02:33:17 <ArtForzZz> yup, H==0 is about diff 0.9999975 or so ;)
339 2011-06-13 02:33:25 <jgarzik> all miners check H==0
340 2011-06-13 02:33:43 <lorph> jgarzik: is the target in big endian format, and the hash here is in little endian
341 2011-06-13 02:33:52 <ArtForzZz> I think diablo can handle nonzero H target
342 2011-06-13 02:34:06 <lorph> i guess you are clamping for difficulty >= 1
343 2011-06-13 02:34:36 <ArtForzZz> useful for testnet-in-a-box mining ;)
344 2011-06-13 02:34:40 <lorph> can I get a yes or no, because I don't see H anywhere else on the wiki
345 2011-06-13 02:34:49 <lorph> and I have been looking at this wiki this whole weekend
346 2011-06-13 02:35:07 <genewitch> gribble is reporting the wrong difficulty? or does it compute the difficulty some other way?
347 2011-06-13 02:35:10 <nameless> |hi genewitch
348 2011-06-13 02:35:14 <forrestv> lorph, ah, when you linked that to me i thought you were trying to prove a point
349 2011-06-13 02:35:22 <midnightmagic> lorph: if you are a coder, the best place to look is currently the source code.
350 2011-06-13 02:35:32 <nameless> |This is not #xkcd
351 2011-06-13 02:35:37 <nameless> |:p
352 2011-06-13 02:35:44 <midnightmagic> lorph: the fastest way to answer your own questions will be in there.
353 2011-06-13 02:35:45 <forrestv> lorph, H is just the last (first, depending on how you look at it) 32 bits of a hash
354 2011-06-13 02:35:45 <genewitch> nameless|: nor is #xkcd this, but gribble is the bot in here :-)
355 2011-06-13 02:35:45 <midnightmagic> unfortunately
356 2011-06-13 02:36:25 <nameless> |genewitch: Yes
357 2011-06-13 02:36:54 <genewitch> his difficulty is ~89 higher than the current difficulty on blockexplorer and elsewhere
358 2011-06-13 02:37:02 <gjs278> ;;bc,stats
359 2011-06-13 02:37:04 <gribble> Current Blocks: 130430 | Current Difficulty: 567358.22457067 | Next Difficulty At Block: 131039 | Next Difficulty In: 609 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 16 hours, 6 minutes, and 51 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 830931.85764585
360 2011-06-13 02:37:33 <genewitch> ./bitcoin getdifficulty | 567269.53016242
361 2011-06-13 02:37:58 <genewitch> blockexplorer as well, except only to 6 digits
362 2011-06-13 02:38:56 <nameless> |it may update, but I don't know enough about gribble to know for certain
363 2011-06-13 02:39:04 <nameless> |Your best bet would be to poke nanotube
364 2011-06-13 02:39:12 <nameless> |I believe s/he maintains the bot
365 2011-06-13 02:40:01 <nanotube> genewitch: nameless|: gribble gets the data from blockexplorer
366 2011-06-13 02:40:13 <nanotube> so... theymos is the one to contact about the discrepancy
367 2011-06-13 02:40:18 <genewitch> how often?
368 2011-06-13 02:41:22 <genewitch> well, just thought i'd mention it.
369 2011-06-13 02:43:27 <nameless> |nanotube: I'm busy getting drunk, but gribble was mentioned and I'm pretty sure that's your baby
370 2011-06-13 02:43:59 <nanotube> genewitch: live.
371 2011-06-13 02:44:05 <nanotube> nameless|: indeed :)
372 2011-06-13 02:44:16 <gribble> (bc,diff <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "web fetch http://blockexplorer.com/q/getdifficulty".
373 2011-06-13 02:44:16 <nanotube> ;;help bc,diff
374 2011-06-13 02:44:19 <nanotube> genewitch: ^
375 2011-06-13 02:57:27 <Diablo-D3> hey swu
376 2011-06-13 02:57:37 <Swu> hey whats up
377 2011-06-13 03:00:11 <CIA-31> bitcoin: Chris Howie * r42403fec2e6c mining-proxy/htdocs/ (common.inc.php mvc.inc.php): Move session_start() call so that each worker request doesn't start a new session http://tinyurl.com/3vpohrv
378 2011-06-13 03:01:30 <Joric> is it possible to show progress e.g. 101234 of 130434 blocks on init?
379 2011-06-13 03:02:38 <Joric> also what happens if you send to an address that no one actually has yet? will you get it back?
380 2011-06-13 03:02:48 <mtrlt> nope
381 2011-06-13 03:02:52 <mtrlt> it is sent to that address
382 2011-06-13 03:03:00 <RAM2012> is it possible to map every node and transaction in realtime and start linking IP to physical location?
383 2011-06-13 03:03:03 <mtrlt> if nobody has the private key for that address, then nobody can use that money
384 2011-06-13 03:03:17 <Diablo-D3> Swu: trying to figure out what to do with the forums
385 2011-06-13 03:03:25 <Diablo-D3> I wonder if we need a forums channel or something
386 2011-06-13 03:04:33 <Swu> Channel forums?
387 2011-06-13 03:05:17 <noagendamarket> nuke it from space
388 2011-06-13 03:05:18 <Diablo-D3> no, a forum channel
389 2011-06-13 03:05:32 <Diablo-D3> -dev scrolls too fast to have a useful discussion of the forums
390 2011-06-13 03:05:57 <Swu> ah
391 2011-06-13 03:07:26 <Swu> yea if that's the case, probably should name it forum-meta or something
392 2011-06-13 03:08:23 <gjs278> yes
393 2011-06-13 03:08:28 <gjs278> #bitcoin-forms would be good
394 2011-06-13 03:08:31 <gjs278> forums
395 2011-06-13 03:08:33 <gjs278> forum
396 2011-06-13 03:08:34 <gjs278> whatever
397 2011-06-13 03:09:04 <Swu> Also i don't know if you should or not, but start moving posts into mining into the subcategories since people dont really seem to be adopting them cus they find general mining more accessible
398 2011-06-13 03:09:35 <genewitch> get rid of the general one?
399 2011-06-13 03:09:45 <Swu> no you can keep the general one
400 2011-06-13 03:10:28 <Swu> just like issues specific to pools, clients, technical support, and hardware should start being where people find in depth information
401 2011-06-13 03:11:50 <Swu> general can be for like other stuff such as, pictures of mining rigs, people speculating how if mining is worth it, etc
402 2011-06-13 03:13:43 <lorph> what difficulty does a target of ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff00000000 correspond to?
403 2011-06-13 03:13:44 <Swu> Also i have a question does the forum have more one forum moderators? like yourself Diablo?
404 2011-06-13 03:13:45 <Diablo-D3> I almost wanna turn posting off in the general mining category
405 2011-06-13 03:13:55 <Diablo-D3> Swu: Im the last one to join
406 2011-06-13 03:13:57 <Diablo-D3> theres like 4 or 5 others
407 2011-06-13 03:16:50 <Swu> ah i don't think you need to close it, people seem to get angry when stuff like that happens, but start moving some of the posts into the categories. once people have to go there to find info they will naturally gravitate over.
408 2011-06-13 03:18:04 <genewitch> i assume i should turn on transaction fees on my bitcoind that's backing a pool
409 2011-06-13 03:19:55 <Swu> Diablo-D3: actually what i think a good idea might be is post an all caps sticky telling people to start posting in the subforums and that you are going to move a lot of the topics over to organize it and make it easier for people to find information
410 2011-06-13 03:21:08 <Diablo-D3> its on my todo list
411 2011-06-13 03:21:19 <Diablo-D3> Im busy dealing with the dmca request to deal with this shit
412 2011-06-13 03:22:17 <noagendamarket> dmca ?
413 2011-06-13 03:23:29 <genewitch> also, to back up a private key, do i just copy wallet.dat?
414 2011-06-13 03:23:41 <genewitch> and move that to another bitcoin client to use it?
415 2011-06-13 03:23:59 <Swu> yes but make sure you copy it only after you close the bitcoin client
416 2011-06-13 03:24:38 <genewitch> noagendamarket: digital millenium copyright act, usually because someone claims you're infringing on their intellectual property (i.e. you're hosting an mp3 of their song, or a picture they made without attribution, etc)
417 2011-06-13 03:24:53 <genewitch> Swu: okay.
418 2011-06-13 03:26:01 <noagendamarket> yeah i know i was just asking what they sent it for ..one of your sites ?
419 2011-06-13 03:30:04 <CIA-31> bitcoin: Daniel Folkinshteyn * rbdd65e1e9269 supybot-bitcoin-marketmonitor/GPG/plugin.py: GPG: fix unauth on kick http://tinyurl.com/6xpft9a
420 2011-06-13 03:30:05 <genewitch> just to confirm, if i copy wallet.dat, even if my server crashes after finding a block, i can copy wallet.dat from right now onto a new server and the BTC will still be there ready to be paid out?
421 2011-06-13 03:32:05 <[Tycho]> genewitch, yes. If you have the keypool.
422 2011-06-13 03:33:11 <genewitch> [Tycho]: what's that? i'm basically asking how to back up this volatile cloud server so i can just reinstate it on a different one if need be
423 2011-06-13 03:33:39 <genewitch> like if the market price goes above 3 cents which is my cap per hour.
424 2011-06-13 03:34:06 <[Tycho]> Which client version do you use ?
425 2011-06-13 03:34:42 <Diablo-D3> okay
426 2011-06-13 03:34:44 <Diablo-D3> thats now delt with
427 2011-06-13 03:35:03 <Diablo-D3> I sent the DMCA request off to deal with speedygonzolas
428 2011-06-13 03:37:41 <Swu> lol so what happened with speedygonzolas
429 2011-06-13 03:41:15 <[Tycho]> I think he forked the DiabloMiner
430 2011-06-13 03:41:41 <[Tycho]> Optimizazed and trojaned.
431 2011-06-13 03:42:09 <Swu> wow
432 2011-06-13 03:42:25 <genewitch> [Tycho]: "version" : 32200, bitcoind
433 2011-06-13 03:44:27 <genewitch> are there other files i need to move, as well?
434 2011-06-13 03:45:24 <genewitch> I mean all this crap should be on my snapshot, but if i get 50BTC from finding a block and the server crashes and i reinstate an old image, the 50BTC isn't sitting on my server, it's attached to the wallet.dat stuff - so i should be safe anyhow. but what if i wanted to move to gentoo?
435 2011-06-13 03:45:37 <[Tycho]> Yes.
436 2011-06-13 03:45:57 <[Tycho]> I would recommend doing "getnewaddress" at least once before mining.
437 2011-06-13 03:46:05 <genewitch> which files should i copy? the whole .bitcoin/ folder?
438 2011-06-13 03:46:09 <[Tycho]> Then make a bakup.
439 2011-06-13 03:46:17 <[Tycho]> You'll need only wallet.dat
440 2011-06-13 03:46:48 <genewitch> not the keypool, whatever that is? ;_)
441 2011-06-13 03:47:59 <genewitch> cool, so fast i didn't even get an upstream rpc error :-)
442 2011-06-13 03:49:28 <genewitch> oh he needs to come back
443 2011-06-13 03:50:17 <genewitch> Xenland: you staying, this time?
444 2011-06-13 03:50:36 <Xenland> do you want me to stay? lol
445 2011-06-13 03:51:01 <genewitch> Xenland: yeah, i wanted to tell you that i posted in the wrong thread  regarding that $pinauth thing
446 2011-06-13 03:51:27 <genewitch> it wasn't your code i was trying to patch, it was simplecoin's but i hit refresh on the wrong tab :-/
447 2011-06-13 03:51:29 <Xenland> oh yeah its cool,  what version do you have running?
448 2011-06-13 03:51:34 <Xenland> ahhhh
449 2011-06-13 03:51:39 <Xenland> that makes soo much sense.
450 2011-06-13 03:51:50 <genewitch> I didn't want to spam the thread up with that so i am glad you're here!
451 2011-06-13 03:51:56 <Xenland> I was like lookin the register.php file and im thinking.... WHERE IS IT!!!
452 2011-06-13 03:52:00 <Xenland> lol
453 2011-06-13 03:52:24 <genewitch> does your frontend show usernames and block details?
454 2011-06-13 03:52:39 <Xenland> It will in version 4, that stats.php page will come out around then
455 2011-06-13 03:52:49 <genewitch> i was thinking of forking simplecoin and adding that
456 2011-06-13 03:53:30 <genewitch> oh this has stats, but it's just block, difficulty, and then "best hashrates" and "best shares"
457 2011-06-13 03:53:30 <Xenland> Yeah it should work fine if they both use the same database structure, I'm not quite sure how "the same" they both are, scince simplecoin software was built upon version 1 of my software
458 2011-06-13 03:53:58 <genewitch> Xenland: simplecoin isn't a php programmer.
459 2011-06-13 03:54:08 <Diablo-D3> you know what would be interesting for the forums?
460 2011-06-13 03:54:14 <Diablo-D3> being able to bulk move posts
461 2011-06-13 03:54:23 <genewitch> Diablo-D3: there's no checkbox?
462 2011-06-13 03:54:32 <Diablo-D3> genewitch: nope
463 2011-06-13 03:54:34 <Xenland> genewitch: i don't know the guys name
464 2011-06-13 03:54:35 <Xenland> :P
465 2011-06-13 03:54:37 <Diablo-D3> not on the thread list anyways
466 2011-06-13 03:55:01 <genewitch> Diablo-D3: feature request
467 2011-06-13 03:55:13 <Diablo-D3> I dont think smf can do it
468 2011-06-13 03:55:24 <genewitch> it's backed by a sql database, yes?
469 2011-06-13 03:55:27 <Xenland> Anybody know how to set the fanspeed in aticonfig overdrive
470 2011-06-13 03:56:01 <Diablo-D3> Xenland: you cant, use amdoverdrivectrl
471 2011-06-13 03:56:09 <genewitch> select * in posts where subforum = "whatever" and timestamp > "hurpa";
472 2011-06-13 03:56:10 <Diablo-D3> and remember, you cant turn autospeed back on
473 2011-06-13 03:56:20 <Diablo-D3> genewitch: I dont want to move them all =P
474 2011-06-13 03:56:27 <Diablo-D3> it'd make mass sorting easier
475 2011-06-13 03:56:28 <genewitch> Xenland: you need another program
476 2011-06-13 03:56:37 <genewitch> Xenland: expertool
477 2011-06-13 03:56:37 <Xenland> lol I just found that as you entered but wasn't sure if it was old or not, Thanks Mates
478 2011-06-13 03:57:18 <genewitch> Diablo-D3: does overdrivectl handle overclocking and overvoltage? mine does overclock and underclock but the voltage is locked
479 2011-06-13 03:57:37 <Diablo-D3> genewitch: you cant change voltage on non-ref cards anyhow
480 2011-06-13 03:57:37 <genewitch> also i'd love to set 35% as the fixed speed :-/
481 2011-06-13 03:57:49 <genewitch> i can pick from 4 voltages
482 2011-06-13 03:57:57 <Diablo-D3> and on ref cards, you can only set from whats in the bios already
483 2011-06-13 03:57:57 <genewitch> but that's it
484 2011-06-13 03:58:00 <genewitch> oh
485 2011-06-13 03:58:12 <Swu> unless you flash the bios
486 2011-06-13 03:58:22 <genewitch> boff that, i'll just buy more
487 2011-06-13 03:58:35 <genewitch> got 2 offers for gpus for BTC already.
488 2011-06-13 03:58:39 <Xenland> why are there low, mid and high, tabs?
489 2011-06-13 03:59:06 <Diablo-D3> Xenland: because thats how the cards are built.
490 2011-06-13 03:59:11 <Diablo-D3> you can change speeds for all three modes
491 2011-06-13 03:59:58 <Xenland> wtf? this is too advanced, so your saying when i do windows overdrive mode and i just got the 1 slider for clock speed, i now have to play with 3? or its just different modes I can activate
492 2011-06-13 04:00:50 <Xenland> i just don't get why there would be modes
493 2011-06-13 04:01:04 <genewitch> Xenland: ati cards have "idle" "video" and "game/GPGPU" speeds, i think is what those are
494 2011-06-13 04:01:14 <genewitch> they underclock to save power, in other words
495 2011-06-13 04:01:26 <Xenland> how do I know what mode its in?
496 2011-06-13 04:01:33 <genewitch> if your'e mining it's in high
497 2011-06-13 04:01:42 <genewitch> ;-)
498 2011-06-13 04:01:49 <Xenland> okay, so its like an auto mode type of thing, that makes sense
499 2011-06-13 04:02:10 <Xenland> I was like freaking out here for a second, thinking this overclocking thing is going to take forever!!! lol
500 2011-06-13 04:02:12 <genewitch> you can get current mode, usually. if you look at the catalyst panel it will tell you too, if it doesn't freak out on your first
501 2011-06-13 04:02:19 <genewitch> Xenland: what card?
502 2011-06-13 04:02:53 <Xenland> 6990, Im not really over clocking, it just runs really hot(90c) and i need to balance it out with high fan speeds
503 2011-06-13 04:03:05 <Xenland> I think i got the last one from Cutting Edge Gamers thank god
504 2011-06-13 04:03:06 <genewitch> Xenland: on the high tab underclock your ram
505 2011-06-13 04:03:36 <Xenland> cann i underclook my ram to the lowest posible with out any ppoblems?
506 2011-06-13 04:03:55 <genewitch> no no no nevermind no one is doing that with the 6990
507 2011-06-13 04:04:04 <genewitch> I don't recommend testing the values.
508 2011-06-13 04:04:30 <Xenland> genewitch: so underclocking is just as bad as too much overclocking huh?
509 2011-06-13 04:04:47 <genewitch> nah, just untested and it makes your system unstable if you're using it
510 2011-06-13 04:05:05 <genewitch> Xenland: for instance, if i load a youtube video right now the driver will crash, and possibly bluescreen :-)
511 2011-06-13 04:05:22 <Xenland> oooo so thats why everytime i run a youtube vide on windows it freezes up
512 2011-06-13 04:05:27 <genewitch> but i can pull 50% more mh/s overclocked core and underclocked ram
513 2011-06-13 04:05:58 <genewitch> you can TRY setting the first core to 990, the second core to 960, and then clock the ram down to 300mhz
514 2011-06-13 04:06:38 <genewitch> or whatever you want to overclcok to, some people are saying the GPU0 runs hot (so set that one 30mhz slower)
515 2011-06-13 04:08:30 <genewitch> what is the stock core clock on the 6990?
516 2011-06-13 04:08:37 <genewitch> 830?
517 2011-06-13 04:08:54 <mtrlt> yep
518 2011-06-13 04:09:02 <mtrlt> there's a switch that puts it to 880 too
519 2011-06-13 04:09:05 <Diablo-D3> ooh
520 2011-06-13 04:09:07 <Diablo-D3> I can mass move
521 2011-06-13 04:09:09 <Diablo-D3> interesting
522 2011-06-13 04:09:46 <genewitch> mtrlt: damn that's a 10% speed increase on hashing
523 2011-06-13 04:09:57 <genewitch> without software overclocking
524 2011-06-13 04:10:18 <mtrlt> genewitch: but i left the switch in the 830 position and overclocked to 910
525 2011-06-13 04:10:25 <mtrlt> since the switch also raises volts
526 2011-06-13 04:10:49 <genewitch> mtrlt: you need that for stability at higher clocks, so if you're stable no need, cool.
527 2011-06-13 04:10:51 <Xenland> why is it that poclbm isn't showing up the 2nd core after running the 1st one?
528 2011-06-13 04:10:52 <mtrlt> yep
529 2011-06-13 04:11:18 <genewitch> my card stock is 725mhz and i can get it to 885 stable for a bit, wish i could overvolt it a smidge
530 2011-06-13 04:11:48 <genewitch> it runs stable for days at 850 though
531 2011-06-13 04:11:57 <genewitch> 850/300
532 2011-06-13 04:13:42 <mtrlt> 5850?
533 2011-06-13 04:13:53 <genewitch> yeah
534 2011-06-13 04:14:02 <mtrlt> mine does 850/300 fine too :p
535 2011-06-13 04:14:04 <genewitch> wtf does BFI_INT do
536 2011-06-13 04:14:10 <gmaxwell> genewitch: google it
537 2011-06-13 04:14:10 <mtrlt> 900mhz starts crashing
538 2011-06-13 04:14:20 <genewitch> other than slow me down 16.5%
539 2011-06-13 04:14:23 <mtrlt> it is an optimization
540 2011-06-13 04:14:36 <mtrlt> that replaces some things that need 3 instructions with only one instruction
541 2011-06-13 04:14:55 <mtrlt> it should make it strictly faster though
542 2011-06-13 04:15:05 <genewitch> mtrlt: out of curiosity, what mh/s do you get on your 5850 at those speeds? if they're better than mine i want to steal your extra flags
543 2011-06-13 04:15:18 <mtrlt> 339MH/s at 850/#00
544 2011-06-13 04:15:21 <mtrlt> 850/300
545 2011-06-13 04:15:43 <genewitch> which client and what flags? :-)
546 2011-06-13 04:15:46 <mtrlt> no flags to steal, i'm using my own miner :p
547 2011-06-13 04:15:55 <genewitch> opencl?
548 2011-06-13 04:15:57 <mtrlt> gonna release it sometime too
549 2011-06-13 04:15:58 <mtrlt> yep
550 2011-06-13 04:16:07 <genewitch> i'll beta, does it connect to pools?
551 2011-06-13 04:16:15 <genewitch> durr
552 2011-06-13 04:16:15 <mtrlt> yeah but it's not ready for beta yet :p
553 2011-06-13 04:16:16 <genewitch> nevermind
554 2011-06-13 04:16:40 <mtrlt> it has all settings like worksize and vectors hardcoded at the moment etc
555 2011-06-13 04:16:57 <mtrlt> how much are you getting then? at 850/300
556 2011-06-13 04:17:30 <genewitch> well that works for me since we have similar cards. what are those values hardcoded at? i have w256 and vetors, aggression=19
557 2011-06-13 04:17:47 <genewitch> 266-310, less with guiminer, more with command line
558 2011-06-13 04:18:05 <mtrlt> worksize 256, vectors, bfi_int, aggression=25
559 2011-06-13 04:18:06 <genewitch> -f 0 as well
560 2011-06-13 04:18:25 <mtrlt> i think that's equivalent to what i have on my miner :p
561 2011-06-13 04:18:47 <mtrlt> i don't use artforz's opencl kernel tho
562 2011-06-13 04:18:53 <mtrlt> took an ooold poclbm and optimized it myself
563 2011-06-13 04:19:30 <genewitch> the aggression setting increases my shares per minute but drops my hashrate a fair amount
564 2011-06-13 04:19:39 <mtrlt> logically impossible :)
565 2011-06-13 04:19:41 <B0g4r7> worksize 64 works best for me.
566 2011-06-13 04:19:42 <genewitch> the lower my aggression, the more mh/s but the less shares i get.
567 2011-06-13 04:19:52 <mtrlt> maybe the MH/s meter just borks at higher aggression
568 2011-06-13 04:19:53 <genewitch> mtrlt: i timed it for hours with 3 settings
569 2011-06-13 04:20:27 <genewitch> i'll go look at what aggression does at some point since i was just playing with the settings
570 2011-06-13 04:21:30 <gribble> Diablo-D3 was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 12 minutes and 21 seconds ago: <Diablo-D3> interesting
571 2011-06-13 04:21:30 <topi`> ;;seen Diablo-D3
572 2011-06-13 04:21:37 <genewitch> he's here
573 2011-06-13 04:21:57 <lorph> how do i connect to testnet
574 2011-06-13 04:22:08 <mtrlt> start bitcoin with the flag -testnet
575 2011-06-13 04:22:09 <lorph> i used the switch but every api command i try fails
576 2011-06-13 04:22:09 <topi`> Diablo-D3: I encountered some odd behaviour from your java miner. it pegged cpu at constant 60% while usually it uses very few % of cpu while owrking
577 2011-06-13 04:22:34 <topi`> Diablo-D3: any idea where the CPU is going (i'm not familiar with debugging java)
578 2011-06-13 04:22:59 <Diablo-D3> topi`: on windows?
579 2011-06-13 04:23:51 <topi`> Diablo-D3: no, this is on OSX
580 2011-06-13 04:24:43 <Diablo-D3> weird, are you using -f?
581 2011-06-13 04:26:23 <topi`> I wonder if there's a "gdb" of sorts for java
582 2011-06-13 04:26:52 <Diablo-D3> did you try restarting the miner?
583 2011-06-13 04:28:36 <topi`> yes, restarting it removed the issue
584 2011-06-13 04:28:50 <topi`> it's just that if my laptop starts to make fan noise, then my gf will kill it instantly :D
585 2011-06-13 04:29:05 <topi`> she has no tolerance whatsoever towards fan noise while sleeping
586 2011-06-13 04:29:45 <Diablo-D3> heh
587 2011-06-13 04:30:32 <Raccoon> hmm
588 2011-06-13 04:30:49 <Raccoon> install Notebook Hardware Control
589 2011-06-13 04:31:09 <Raccoon> some laptop hardware supports fan control
590 2011-06-13 04:31:34 <Raccoon> otherwise, you can undervoltage or underclock the cpu so it never heats up enough to kick on the fan
591 2011-06-13 04:32:47 <Raccoon> also, if it's using GPU to work, it might be kicking on due to GPU heat
592 2011-06-13 04:44:51 <topi`> no, the GPU (actually the whole chipset) consumes 7W when mining at ma
593 2011-06-13 04:44:53 <topi`> max
594 2011-06-13 04:45:07 <topi`> however, if the CPU is pegged, then it can peak at 22 W
595 2011-06-13 04:53:23 <Chopes> quick question, long poll: new block, anyone have any idea what that meassage means (reported from guiminer)
596 2011-06-13 04:55:20 <genewitch> Chopes: you were switched to a new block, because the one you were working on got solved by someone else
597 2011-06-13 04:55:34 <genewitch> Chopes: not an error. it's a good thing, means you're not wasting time on stale work
598 2011-06-13 04:55:39 <Chopes> genewitch how long should I see that message for
599 2011-06-13 04:55:51 <Chopes> its just sitting between that message and having issues communicating with bitcoin rpc
600 2011-06-13 04:56:00 <genewitch> Chopes: what pool
601 2011-06-13 04:56:02 <Chopes> yet my info is good as my other rig is talking to the server np
602 2011-06-13 04:56:04 <Chopes> mtred.com
603 2011-06-13 04:56:21 <genewitch> Chopes: do they require workers
604 2011-06-13 04:56:46 <genewitch> ie chopes.1 chopes.2 chopes.3
605 2011-06-13 04:56:54 <genewitch> as your username on the mining clients
606 2011-06-13 04:57:01 <Chopes> yeah i have one for each
607 2011-06-13 04:57:04 <Chopes> i tried remaking the worker
608 2011-06-13 04:57:06 <Chopes> same result
609 2011-06-13 04:57:18 <jgarzik> Chopes: this is more a question for #bitcoin-mining
610 2011-06-13 04:57:22 <Chopes> ah sorry
611 2011-06-13 04:57:24 <Chopes> ill head there
612 2011-06-13 05:08:47 <genewitch> who is ddosing all the pools?
613 2011-06-13 05:09:42 <genewitch> are they trying to stack the difficulty in miner's favors?
614 2011-06-13 05:17:10 <[Tycho]> genewitch, I don't think so. It would be useless.
615 2011-06-13 05:19:28 <genewitch> [Tycho]: it could be to force down the difficulty unless everyone switches to solo mining or another pool.
616 2011-06-13 05:19:41 <genewitch> I'm going tos leeep brain hurts, goodnight.
617 2011-06-13 05:19:59 <[Tycho]> Difficulty won't be affected.
618 2011-06-13 05:46:24 <acfrazier> anyone happen to know the call to bitcoind to get the address of the client?
619 2011-06-13 05:56:38 <gjs278> acfrazier bitcoind listreceivedbyaddress
620 2011-06-13 05:56:55 <acfrazier> I tried that, but since I haven't gotten any coins it's blank.
621 2011-06-13 05:57:10 <acfrazier> so I just had it spit out a new address.
622 2011-06-13 06:04:17 <topi`> damn, my bitcion got 117 connections and I'm on a 2G network... how to limit num of connections?
623 2011-06-13 06:06:29 <topi`> ok, maxconnetions keyword in bitcion.conf
624 2011-06-13 06:11:27 <roconnor> does a block have to have exactly the correct difficulty target to be acceptable, or can it have a harder target?
625 2011-06-13 06:12:16 <[Tycho]> Yes.
626 2011-06-13 06:12:22 <mtrlt> the hash has to be below the target
627 2011-06-13 06:12:28 <mtrlt> not exactly the target.
628 2011-06-13 06:12:30 <[Tycho]> It can be "more difficult".
629 2011-06-13 06:12:52 <jgarzik> roconnor: proof of work check is:  hash < target
630 2011-06-13 06:12:54 <ArtForzZz> wrong
631 2011-06-13 06:12:56 <roconnor> I mean here specifically the target field (Bits) rather than the hash achieved.
632 2011-06-13 06:13:05 <[Tycho]> I remember someone finding a block for 800k difficulty some months ago :)
633 2011-06-13 06:13:07 <ArtForzZz> read the fine source
634 2011-06-13 06:13:14 <ArtForzZz> it's hash <= target
635 2011-06-13 06:13:15 <roconnor> the source is not fine
636 2011-06-13 06:13:41 <mtrlt> roconnor: yes the field has to be correct of course
637 2011-06-13 06:13:43 <roconnor> anyhow, I'm not refering to the hash <= target check
638 2011-06-13 06:13:51 <mtrlt> at least i'd sasume so..
639 2011-06-13 06:13:52 <mtrlt> assume
640 2011-06-13 06:13:58 <roconnor> I mean that the target field itself
641 2011-06-13 06:14:08 <mtrlt> yes
642 2011-06-13 06:14:14 <roconnor> I mean, it could be harder than necessary in principle
643 2011-06-13 06:14:19 <ArtForzZz> no
644 2011-06-13 06:14:34 <ArtForzZz> it has to exactly match the calculated nBits
645 2011-06-13 06:14:39 <roconnor> thanks
646 2011-06-13 06:14:57 <ArtForzZz> only exception is the genesis block iirc
647 2011-06-13 06:16:39 <topi`> would it be possible to need less storage space by taking a "snapshot" of the current block tree, calculating all balances from it, and then storing that metadata and making decisions based on that. i'm thinking of light mobile bitcoin clients.
648 2011-06-13 06:16:54 <topi`> the goal being enabling mobile payment from a small mobile dvevice
649 2011-06-13 06:17:17 <topi`> (i.e. not smartphone but a more storage-impaired device)
650 2011-06-13 06:17:31 <gmaxwell> topi`: not balances, but a summary of open transactions. Though because things change I don't know that this helps you much.. since you'd need the future blocks to check if any of the open txn were later used.
651 2011-06-13 06:17:53 <roconnor> topi`: that's vaguely how my client is currently operating
652 2011-06-13 06:17:55 <topi`> the future blocks would get downloaded from the 'net in real time
653 2011-06-13 06:18:33 <topi`> roconnor: wat's the "business case" of your client?
654 2011-06-13 06:18:36 <gmaxwell> roconnor: you could certantly be more efficient than the current client. Eg. pregenerating a perfect hash for txn resolution.
655 2011-06-13 06:18:41 <roconnor> topi`: personal enjoyment
656 2011-06-13 06:18:54 <topi`> ok :)
657 2011-06-13 06:19:11 <gmaxwell> roconnor: if you can assume connectivity (to download the blocks) why not depend on a trusted server to validate the txn?
658 2011-06-13 06:19:39 <gmaxwell> (e.g. which could be your system at home, or a trusted third party service or two)
659 2011-06-13 06:20:14 <topi`> it boils down to the ability of trusting the 3rd party :)
660 2011-06-13 06:20:51 <roconnor> gmaxwell: ya, I'm not trying to build a thin client for a smart phone.
661 2011-06-13 06:21:04 <roconnor> gmaxwell: that seems like a good idea for topi I guess
662 2011-06-13 06:21:48 <gmaxwell> topi`: Okay. Though you could make it so its N parties you consult (one of whom is yourself perhaps) and all N must lie to screw you.
663 2011-06-13 06:23:10 <roconnor> if a smartphone has net connectivity, it seems easier, like gmaxwell suggests, to simply have it query your home server to validate transactions.
664 2011-06-13 06:23:40 <gmaxwell> The connectivity can also be useful for the purpose of better wallet sync.
665 2011-06-13 06:23:53 <Joric> how many addresses may have a wallet? 2^32?
666 2011-06-13 06:24:39 <gmaxwell> Joric: er, I don't think there is an intentional limit though you'll probably hit software bugs or performance issues before 2^32.
667 2011-06-13 06:25:02 <topi`> maybe a good alternative would be to write small software for server side for  keping and validating a block chain for those small clients
668 2011-06-13 06:25:20 <gmaxwell> jrmithdobbs has tested rather large numbers of addresses.
669 2011-06-13 06:25:52 <topi`> 2^32 addresses would consume an inordinate amount of memory
670 2011-06-13 06:26:12 <Joric> does client stop generating new addresses at 100?
671 2011-06-13 06:26:18 <gmaxwell> topi`: go one step further and make it into a generic proxy for bitcoin, and people doing high importance things can use it as a secure gateway to guard their node.
672 2011-06-13 06:26:40 <gmaxwell> Joric: 100 is the pool size the amount it generates ahead of what you've used.
673 2011-06-13 06:26:54 <topi`> joric, no, but the wallet is preseeded with 100 addresses
674 2011-06-13 06:27:01 <topi`> oh, maybe gmaxwell is right.
675 2011-06-13 06:27:13 <gmaxwell> topi`: it refills too.
676 2011-06-13 06:27:22 <topi`> ok
677 2011-06-13 06:27:35 <gmaxwell> otherwise you'd get burned on backups as soon as you've burned through the first 100.
678 2011-06-13 06:27:35 <topi`> that's why even a slightly old backup of wallet would work.
679 2011-06-13 06:28:43 <roconnor> hmm, the algorithm to set a new target doesn't seem to be documented on the wiki
680 2011-06-13 06:28:56 <topi`> gmaxwell: the gateway could allow for checking any data fields from a given block in the chain
681 2011-06-13 06:29:09 <topi`> but then there would be bandwidth problems
682 2011-06-13 06:35:31 <linagee> hi, I've been playing with 0.3.23 a bit. can someone help me?
683 2011-06-13 06:35:51 <linagee> I've been doing tiny donations to people in #bitcoin. it's been working right until about an hour ago
684 2011-06-13 06:36:17 <linagee> I have transactions that are showing 0/unconfirmed that are 1.5 hours old
685 2011-06-13 06:36:36 <topi`> that has happened to me, too
686 2011-06-13 06:36:45 <linagee> topi`: just recently?
687 2011-06-13 06:36:57 <topi`> but it sometimes happens, when nobody includes your tx in their blocks
688 2011-06-13 06:37:08 <topi`> if, for example, the amount is very small and you pay no tx fee
689 2011-06-13 06:37:11 <linagee> topi`: but I am paying 0.0005 BTC. hrm
690 2011-06-13 06:37:26 <linagee> topi`: are older wallets rounding that to zero?
691 2011-06-13 06:37:42 <topi`> you should wait that a miner / pool picks it up who does not require tx fees
692 2011-06-13 06:38:05 <pirrr> Hello, I upgraded to 0.33.22-beta from the ubuntu PPA and I am now getting ~5 connections instead of hundreds on the previous version...
693 2011-06-13 06:38:06 <linagee> topi`: so not much I can do except wait longer?
694 2011-06-13 06:38:10 <topi`> no, older wallets record all the decimals, but they might display it as 0.00
695 2011-06-13 06:38:29 <topi`> linagee: exactly
696 2011-06-13 06:39:02 <linagee> topi`: I have made abot half a dozen successful tiny transactions thus far. about half a dozen are hung at 0/unconfirmed. hah
697 2011-06-13 06:39:19 <linagee> topi`: 0.0006 spent, 0.0005 transaction fee, 0.0001 sent
698 2011-06-13 06:39:55 <topi`> <I think the client automatically adds a transaction fee if the payment is too small
699 2011-06-13 06:39:58 <Joric> linagee, i've got yours 0.0001
700 2011-06-13 06:40:01 <linagee> topi`: 0.3.22 wallets will show it correctly, right? you are talking about 0.3.20 wallets that do 0.00?
701 2011-06-13 06:40:18 <linagee> Joric: yes, i see your shows as 29 confirmations
702 2011-06-13 06:40:38 <pirrr> <pirrr> Hello, I upgraded to 0.33.22-beta from the ubuntu PPA and I am now getting ~5 connections instead of hundreds on the previous version...
703 2011-06-13 06:40:43 <pirrr> anyone?
704 2011-06-13 06:40:59 <linagee> Joric: what wallet version do you have and does it show the balance correctly?
705 2011-06-13 06:41:02 <topi`> yep, I have 0.3.20 and it shows 0.001 as 0.00
706 2011-06-13 06:41:03 <gmaxwell> hah yea. .20 truncates things to cents.
707 2011-06-13 06:41:04 <Joric> linagee, all of them, i use 0.3.20 mostly
708 2011-06-13 06:41:14 <linagee> Joric: mostly? :P
709 2011-06-13 06:41:19 <topi`> gmaxwell: waiting for debug input on .22 ;)
710 2011-06-13 06:41:20 <Joric> yes
711 2011-06-13 06:41:27 <linagee> Joric: my free money thing is meant for new users. :P
712 2011-06-13 06:41:30 <topi`> i'm conservative and don't want to lose hundreds of BTC ;)
713 2011-06-13 06:41:39 <Joric> i'm new
714 2011-06-13 06:41:42 <linagee> ok
715 2011-06-13 06:42:16 <sneak_> hi guys
716 2011-06-13 06:42:20 <Joric> dear developers, i've just lost 0.5 BTC
717 2011-06-13 06:42:26 <sneak_> i've developed a desktop streamer app for mtgox
718 2011-06-13 06:42:30 <gmaxwell> Joric: How?
719 2011-06-13 06:42:33 <sneak_> it's ready for release and it looks cool
720 2011-06-13 06:42:36 <sneak_> but i need an icon
721 2011-06-13 06:42:46 <sneak_> does anyone want to make me a 512x512 piece of icon art?
722 2011-06-13 06:42:51 <Joric> balance is smaller by ~0.3 BTC
723 2011-06-13 06:42:58 <Joric> blockexplorer seems right
724 2011-06-13 06:43:24 <gmaxwell> Joric: what sequence events resulted in this?
725 2011-06-13 06:43:24 <Joric> didn't know what to do, used bitcointools to clean up wallet, redownloading blocks now
726 2011-06-13 06:44:42 <Joric> gmaxwell, internet went down on connection
727 2011-06-13 06:45:10 <gmaxwell> Joric: That shouldn't matter.
728 2011-06-13 06:45:13 <gmaxwell> hm.
729 2011-06-13 06:45:47 <Joric> i don't really remember details
730 2011-06-13 06:45:51 <gmaxwell> Joric: are you sure you just weren't seeing the unconfirmed txn that you weren't online to recieve.. but they were confirmed by the time you finished the rescan?
731 2011-06-13 06:51:54 <Joric> i've tried to send 0.5 BTC, it said i don't have enough money but somehow saved the transaction in the list (-0.5)
732 2011-06-13 06:52:58 <anddam> can bitcoind sens commands to -server?
733 2011-06-13 06:53:30 <anddam> I'm on a debian box and I don't have any Xorg related stuff so bitcoin is lacking dyld
734 2011-06-13 06:54:00 <Joric> there were two transactions (-0.1 and -0.5) it messed somehow, as a result i've got a wrong balance in the client
735 2011-06-13 06:54:53 <Joric> i've launched two versions almost simultaneously (0.3.20 and 0.3.21) maybe i've corrupted a wallet
736 2011-06-13 06:55:59 <Joric> i have a 2-days old backup didn't try it yet
737 2011-06-13 06:56:26 <ersi> Maybe this will make you back up your wallet more often, like when trying weird stuff out
738 2011-06-13 06:56:55 <Joric> like, twice a day? )
739 2011-06-13 06:58:24 <Joric> redownloading blocks take forever
740 2011-06-13 06:58:36 <Wuked> is there any problem in running multiple bitcoin clients in multiple locations with the same wallet ?
741 2011-06-13 06:58:40 <anddam> Joric: you could save those as well
742 2011-06-13 06:59:05 <anddam> Wuked: at the same time?
743 2011-06-13 06:59:24 <Joric> looks like they won't launch simultaneously
744 2011-06-13 06:59:28 <Wuked> yes, at the same tie
745 2011-06-13 06:59:39 <anddam> Wuked: from what I read, yes
746 2011-06-13 06:59:43 <anddam> you'll end forking the wallet
747 2011-06-13 06:59:49 <Wuked> it's been working fine for me - but I'm just testing
748 2011-06-13 06:59:53 <Wuked> right O.K
749 2011-06-13 07:00:01 <anddam> but don't take my word for sure
750 2011-06-13 07:00:40 <anddam> by the same wallet do you mean copies of the same wallet or the same file shared?
751 2011-06-13 07:00:44 <Wuked> multiple copies
752 2011-06-13 07:00:50 <Wuked> two seperatly diff machines
753 2011-06-13 07:00:52 <Wuked> nothing shared
754 2011-06-13 07:01:01 <Wuked> just copy + paste all the files
755 2011-06-13 07:01:04 <Wuked> and open a new bitcoin
756 2011-06-13 07:01:11 <Wuked> ( have been doing it on testnet)
757 2011-06-13 07:01:16 <Joric> is it even possible to launch two instances? (on win32)
758 2011-06-13 07:02:00 <Joric> didn't read the source, does it check for a running instance?
759 2011-06-13 07:02:51 <Joric> // Limit to single instance per user
760 2011-06-13 07:03:01 <Joric> init.cpp 263
761 2011-06-13 07:03:40 <Joric> i don't use homepath btw
762 2011-06-13 07:04:19 <Joric> only --datadir=
763 2011-06-13 07:06:13 <Joric> // Copyright (c) 2009-2010 Satoshi Nakamoto
764 2011-06-13 07:06:23 <Joric> doesn't look very well written )
765 2011-06-13 07:07:04 <Joric> looks like it checks for instances only on wxmsw
766 2011-06-13 07:08:27 <anddam> Wuked: did you try to perform transaction only on a client? did you get the same wallet.dat at the end?
767 2011-06-13 07:09:30 <Wuked> I haven't checked exactly
768 2011-06-13 07:09:35 <Wuked> but after doing a tranaction
769 2011-06-13 07:09:40 <Wuked> both clients show the same info
770 2011-06-13 07:09:52 <Wuked> haven't checked the exact checksum of the wallet file
771 2011-06-13 07:12:10 <jgarzik> Wuked: you'll toast your wallet that way
772 2011-06-13 07:12:17 <jgarzik> Joric: yes, you can run multiple instances
773 2011-06-13 07:12:32 <jgarzik> Joric: provide a different data directory, and get the TCP port binding right
774 2011-06-13 07:13:05 <anddam> is there a ncurses bitcoin-interface
775 2011-06-13 07:13:06 <eamon> is Poclbm-mod still better than poclbm?
776 2011-06-13 07:13:08 <jgarzik> anddam: yes, bitcoind can act as a JSON-RPC client
777 2011-06-13 07:13:09 <Joric> jgarzik, what if i use the same data directory (--datadir) for both versions?
778 2011-06-13 07:13:12 <anddam> ?
779 2011-06-13 07:13:17 <jgarzik> Joric: you'll toast your data
780 2011-06-13 07:13:32 <anddam> jgarzik: thanks, I already figured and I'm playing with testnet
781 2011-06-13 07:14:48 <eamon> jgarzik: when compiling pushpool, I have jasson installed in /home/eamon/apps/ , How do I tell pushpool's ./configure to look there? This has been bugging me since yesterday
782 2011-06-13 07:14:49 <Joric> jgarzik, shouldn't you check for the same directory rather than for the same user?
783 2011-06-13 07:15:22 <jgarzik> eamon: the same way you pass flags to all configure scripts:  CFLAGS, LDFLAGS, LIBS, ...
784 2011-06-13 07:15:52 <eamon> which flag is jasson?
785 2011-06-13 07:16:01 <eamon> trial and error?
786 2011-06-13 07:16:33 <jgarzik> eamon: not here to teach basic Linux class, sorry
787 2011-06-13 07:16:45 <eamon> could you be so kind as to give me an example?
788 2011-06-13 07:16:45 <jgarzik> eamon: find someone to build a package for you
789 2011-06-13 07:16:57 <eamon> please bud
790 2011-06-13 07:17:03 <eamon> no one will help me
791 2011-06-13 07:17:13 <eamon> not even in the #linux channels
792 2011-06-13 07:17:30 <gjs278> just install jansson for real
793 2011-06-13 07:17:33 <gjs278> with make install
794 2011-06-13 07:17:41 <eamon> I did that
795 2011-06-13 07:18:09 <gjs278> but did you install it to /usr/lib or /usr/local/lib
796 2011-06-13 07:18:11 <gjs278> or that dir
797 2011-06-13 07:18:15 <eamon> but when I configured it I used --prefix=/home/eamon/apps because I don't have admin privs
798 2011-06-13 07:18:19 <gjs278> oh
799 2011-06-13 07:18:53 <eamon> bu thten when I do the same with pushpool it wont compile
800 2011-06-13 07:19:05 <eamon> I know about CFLAGS
801 2011-06-13 07:19:09 <gjs278> well
802 2011-06-13 07:19:18 <eamon> but I have no idea how to use them
803 2011-06-13 07:19:25 <gjs278> -I/home/eamon/apps
804 2011-06-13 07:19:27 <gjs278> you have to add that
805 2011-06-13 07:19:29 <gjs278> to your make
806 2011-06-13 07:19:36 <ersi> :|
807 2011-06-13 07:19:42 <eamon> ok
808 2011-06-13 07:19:43 <gjs278> is there a MakeFile
809 2011-06-13 07:19:47 <gjs278> pastebin it if so
810 2011-06-13 07:19:50 <eamon> elmme check
811 2011-06-13 07:19:52 <nathan7> xelister: No, I'm basically forced to take Ritalin
812 2011-06-13 07:20:00 <ersi> "Compiling 101: The compiler and accompaning utilitise and you!"
813 2011-06-13 07:20:14 <jgarzik> gjs278: pushpool is autotools.  the makefile is stupidly large.  you pass flags to the configure script, not makefile, as stated above.
814 2011-06-13 07:20:27 <sneak_> hi guys, any mac users want to help me test out a mtgox live feed app?
815 2011-06-13 07:20:32 <sneak_> https://eeqj.com/p/sparkle.appcast/MtGoxWatcher-0.2.0.zip
816 2011-06-13 07:20:39 <nathan7> xelister: So, no, I don't use drugs voluntarily or recreationally
817 2011-06-13 07:20:44 <diki> like lol
818 2011-06-13 07:20:57 <diki> Do i see the founder of silk road
819 2011-06-13 07:21:05 <diki> or do i see the founder of silk road?
820 2011-06-13 07:21:15 <eamon> gjs278: there's makefile.am and makefile.in
821 2011-06-13 07:21:16 <gjs278> I figured it was the bitcoin setup with makefile.unix
822 2011-06-13 07:21:45 <eamon> ok, so I need o pass flags to the configure script
823 2011-06-13 07:21:51 <jgarzik> gjs278: he is compiling pushpool, not bitcoin
824 2011-06-13 07:21:55 <gjs278> yeah
825 2011-06-13 07:22:04 <gjs278> better software
826 2011-06-13 07:22:13 <sneak_> CFLAGS="-I$prefix/include -L$prefix/lib" ./configure --prefix=$prefix
827 2011-06-13 07:22:37 <eamon> Awesome! Thank you soooo much sneak_!!!!!
828 2011-06-13 07:22:48 <sneak_> better yet
829 2011-06-13 07:22:52 <sneak_> do this before you run it
830 2011-06-13 07:22:52 <xelister> nathan7: how about alcohol
831 2011-06-13 07:22:54 <eamon> You don't know how long I've been ttrying to figure this out
832 2011-06-13 07:23:01 <sneak_> prefix=/home/eamon/apps
833 2011-06-13 07:23:04 <sneak_> also, don't call it "apps"
834 2011-06-13 07:23:07 <sneak_> call it "local"
835 2011-06-13 07:23:09 <sneak_> that's the convention
836 2011-06-13 07:23:20 <sneak_> or call it $HOME/tmp/builddeps or something
837 2011-06-13 07:23:23 <ersi> But Apps is Computing 2.0!
838 2011-06-13 07:23:29 <gjs278> call it opt
839 2011-06-13 07:23:31 <nathan7> xelister: I don't consume ethanol.
840 2011-06-13 07:23:34 <sneak_> opt means something else
841 2011-06-13 07:23:49 <nathan7> As a matter of fact, I can't legally.
842 2011-06-13 07:23:52 <gjs278> opt means dump this here because your package manager didnt have it
843 2011-06-13 07:24:05 <gjs278> and it selfcontains
844 2011-06-13 07:24:19 <nathan7> But I don't enjoy it and I'm quite sensitive to it because I don't have some enormous tolerance.
845 2011-06-13 07:24:27 <sneak_> lol
846 2011-06-13 07:24:33 <sneak_> nathan7: it helps if you have fat girls around