1 2011-06-16 00:00:48 <Xenland> reinstalling libmemecached just in case
  2 2011-06-16 00:01:30 <upb> ldd -r it
  3 2011-06-16 00:02:19 <AlonzoTG> I hate GIT.
  4 2011-06-16 00:02:20 <AlonzoTG> =|
  5 2011-06-16 00:02:21 <AlonzoTG> Git blows donkies while licking goat balls.
  6 2011-06-16 00:02:22 <jrmithdobbs> oh youngsters
  7 2011-06-16 00:02:25 <jrmithdobbs> you never have to restore a corrupted cvs repo
  8 2011-06-16 00:02:29 <jrmithdobbs> git is awesome ;P
  9 2011-06-16 00:02:43 <jrmithdobbs> s/restore/recover/
 10 2011-06-16 00:03:00 <AlonzoTG> CSV sucks pretty bad too,
 11 2011-06-16 00:03:07 <AlonzoTG> but SVN is the cat's meow.
 12 2011-06-16 00:03:07 <jrmithdobbs> s/have/had/
 13 2011-06-16 00:03:13 <AlonzoTG> I can use SVN in my sleep.
 14 2011-06-16 00:03:24 <jrmithdobbs> you've never had to recover a borked svn repo either then
 15 2011-06-16 00:03:27 <AlonzoTG> but whenever I need to use GIt, the first thing I have to do is track down the MANUAL. =(
 16 2011-06-16 00:03:38 <jrmithdobbs> or had a repo with 100k+ revisions shit itself on you just because
 17 2011-06-16 00:03:40 <jrmithdobbs> fuck svn
 18 2011-06-16 00:04:05 <grand_grunt> pushpoold --foreground --debug=2 --stderr -c config.json dies immediatly without saying anything :(
 19 2011-06-16 00:04:08 <Xenland> I actually like git, its better then repackaging everything in a tar.gz file everytime, and then sending emails/updates to everyone
 20 2011-06-16 00:04:18 <jrmithdobbs> i especially loved the bug in 1.4 that would randomly corrupt the commit history with certain timing on adding certain binary files
 21 2011-06-16 00:04:21 <AlonzoTG> So what, just rebuild it after every 90k revisions, no problem.
 22 2011-06-16 00:04:26 <jrmithdobbs> s/commit/revision/
 23 2011-06-16 00:04:53 <jrmithdobbs> and would appear to continue making backups
 24 2011-06-16 00:05:01 <jrmithdobbs> but actually wouldn't backup past the corrupted revision
 25 2011-06-16 00:05:03 <AlonzoTG> The last, and only time I managed to do this right, it took like twenty commands to get the source from git. =\n1077484
 26 2011-06-16 00:05:11 <grand_grunt> strace <3
 27 2011-06-16 00:05:58 <iz> grand_grunt: was it a typo in your config.json?
 28 2011-06-16 00:06:17 <AlonzoTG> Given a choice between a piece of software I can USE versus a piece of software that I can't operate at all, I *ALWAYS* choose the piece of software I can use, ignoring all other flaws.
 29 2011-06-16 00:06:39 <grand_grunt> iz: Seems it is a missing lib
 30 2011-06-16 00:06:40 <jrmithdobbs> git is easier to use than svn if you ever actually have to merge anything, no idea what you're talking about
 31 2011-06-16 00:06:44 <iz> ah
 32 2011-06-16 00:06:58 <jrmithdobbs> and actually has recovery tools that work
 33 2011-06-16 00:07:00 <grand_grunt> iz: access("/etc/ld.so.nohwcap", F_OK)      = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
 34 2011-06-16 00:07:18 <AlonzoTG> SVN has never prevented me from doing anything I actually needed to do.
 35 2011-06-16 00:07:29 <AlonzoTG> git is worse than CVS.
 36 2011-06-16 00:07:32 <AlonzoTG> =(
 37 2011-06-16 00:07:39 <AlonzoTG> But everyone is going gaga over git.
 38 2011-06-16 00:07:43 <AlonzoTG> =(
 39 2011-06-16 00:07:56 <AlonzoTG> Where can I get some of the LSD that everyone else seems to be dropping like mad?
 40 2011-06-16 00:08:00 <jrmithdobbs> you could just read the git book
 41 2011-06-16 00:08:15 <jrmithdobbs> seriously, oncey ou get used to git svn is trash
 42 2011-06-16 00:08:19 <AlonzoTG> Why? I've already memorized the svn commands?
 43 2011-06-16 00:08:24 <luke-jr> someone should have made bitcoind build with latest boost for 0.3.x
 44 2011-06-16 00:08:29 <luke-jr> oh well
 45 2011-06-16 00:08:34 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: not entirely
 46 2011-06-16 00:08:37 <AlonzoTG> But SVN doesn't require you to get used to it, it just works.
 47 2011-06-16 00:08:40 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: svn is more capable than git in some areas
 48 2011-06-16 00:09:03 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: yes, it is much more capable at corrupting it's revision history and not telling you ;P
 49 2011-06-16 00:09:08 <luke-jr> AlonzoTG: Bazaar works basically the same as Subversion
 50 2011-06-16 00:09:09 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: in what other ways?
 51 2011-06-16 00:09:12 <AlonzoTG> Alright git fanbois, beat this: svn co http://somerepository/
 52 2011-06-16 00:09:16 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: nonsense :p
 53 2011-06-16 00:09:26 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: for example, Subversion supports proper copying
 54 2011-06-16 00:09:30 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: and cherry-picking
 55 2011-06-16 00:09:34 <AlonzoTG> I wouldn't mind git co http://somurl/
 56 2011-06-16 00:09:35 <luke-jr> AlonzoTG: git clone http://somerepository/
 57 2011-06-16 00:09:57 <AlonzoTG> Cloning into bitcoin...
 58 2011-06-16 00:09:58 <AlonzoTG> error:  while accessing https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.git/info/refs
 59 2011-06-16 00:10:07 <jrmithdobbs> that's not the repo
 60 2011-06-16 00:10:28 <jrmithdobbs> that's the refs file?!
 61 2011-06-16 00:10:42 <jrmithdobbs> git clone https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.git
 62 2011-06-16 00:10:47 <AlonzoTG> atg@tortoise ~/source $ git clone https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.git
 63 2011-06-16 00:10:50 <luke-jr> https is fail
 64 2011-06-16 00:10:51 <luke-jr> use git://
 65 2011-06-16 00:10:54 <AlonzoTG> (tortoise is, a 39 BIPS supercomputer)
 66 2011-06-16 00:11:14 <jrmithdobbs> don't know what to tell you. that works fine for me.
 67 2011-06-16 00:11:20 <grand_grunt> mh no, not a lib trouble
 68 2011-06-16 00:11:33 <jrmithdobbs> you need to upgrade git to a version that supports https probably
 69 2011-06-16 00:11:44 <jrmithdobbs> that's fairly new functionality
 70 2011-06-16 00:11:49 <AlonzoTG> okay, now I have it.
 71 2011-06-16 00:12:08 <AlonzoTG> Next project is to make a modern c-make build script for it.
 72 2011-06-16 00:12:08 <grand_grunt> Maybe a typo: http://pastebin.com/zqDYRLkZ
 73 2011-06-16 00:12:08 <luke-jr> if you want svn-like commands though, just: bzr co git://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.git
 74 2011-06-16 00:12:11 <jrmithdobbs> cmake is dumb
 75 2011-06-16 00:12:22 <jrmithdobbs> and don't waste your time autotools will be merged soon
 76 2011-06-16 00:12:27 <luke-jr> AlonzoTG: someone already fixed up an autotools for 0.4
 77 2011-06-16 00:12:53 <AlonzoTG> Autotools is a bit worse than medeocre but still acceptable.
 78 2011-06-16 00:16:31 <grand_grunt> iz: Yes, I may have a typo, cann"t see here. http://pastebin.com/Qfz2hCkH
 79 2011-06-16 00:16:35 <AlonzoTG> Why isn't the modern build tool in git yet?
 80 2011-06-16 00:17:57 <iz> grand_grunt: ahh.. i helped someone earlier today w/ pushpool that had the same issue.. just exiting w/out any displayed output... so i had him strace it for me, and it was like reading the config file and then exiting
 81 2011-06-16 00:18:24 <denisx> jgarzik: difficulty-2 is setting EASY_TARGET to "....fffe00000000" ?
 82 2011-06-16 00:18:29 <grand_grunt> Same for me :]
 83 2011-06-16 00:18:35 <iz> and i suggested it was a typo somewhere, and he went off for a bit and then was like "hey, it's fixed!, thanks"
 84 2011-06-16 00:18:39 <grand_grunt> iz: Maybe the sqlite stuff is wrong.
 85 2011-06-16 00:18:40 <jgarzik> denisx: no, it's not that easy
 86 2011-06-16 00:18:48 <jgarzik> denisx: grep for 'better_hash'.  you have to manually fix the hash check.
 87 2011-06-16 00:19:16 <denisx> jgarzik: ok, I will take a look
 88 2011-06-16 00:20:17 <grand_grunt> iz: I could recompile it with a few "print" in source code, or going to sleep (4 AM here)
 89 2011-06-16 00:20:44 <iz> grand_grunt: something is screwy in that config your pastebinned
 90 2011-06-16 00:21:02 <iz> grand_grunt: like lines 13-19
 91 2011-06-16 00:21:56 <syke> ;;bc,stats
 92 2011-06-16 00:21:59 <gribble> Current Blocks: 131166 | Current Difficulty: 877226.66666667 | Next Difficulty At Block: 133055 | Next Difficulty In: 1889 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 18 hours, 48 minutes, and 4 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1487919.11008623
 93 2011-06-16 00:22:33 <iz> grand_grunt: oh wait, maybe not.. uh.. do you actually end your config w/ a '}'?
 94 2011-06-16 00:23:20 <grand_grunt> My config ends with a '}', i checked (parenthesis do match)
 95 2011-06-16 00:24:24 <grand_grunt> When I first saw a xml config file I though it was the worst stuff in the world. But people invented json
 96 2011-06-16 00:24:56 <ius> iz:
 97 2011-06-16 00:24:57 <ius> grand_grunt:
 98 2011-06-16 00:24:57 <iz> grand_grunt: yeah.. hmm.. looks okay then to me too
 99 2011-06-16 00:25:15 <ius> https://github.com/ius/pushpool/commit/85297905ddc150c46664bd9ad77df6f502d64be1
100 2011-06-16 00:26:02 <ius> it's a bug in 0.5
101 2011-06-16 00:26:23 <grand_grunt> Ok, have to patch and re-compile, so
102 2011-06-16 00:27:27 <grand_grunt> ius: Ah, better, got a new message :)
103 2011-06-16 00:27:40 <grand_grunt> "config.json: JSON parse failed" o/
104 2011-06-16 00:27:57 <denisx> jgarzik: this checks for diffiulty-1 "hash32[7] != 0", right?
105 2011-06-16 00:27:58 <iz> ius: oh.. i see.. cool, ty
106 2011-06-16 00:28:32 <jgarzik> denisx: yes
107 2011-06-16 00:29:12 <iz> i should have had him gdb it..
108 2011-06-16 00:31:03 <grand_grunt> ports number are written without double quotes in json config file, while all char string and IP adresses use double quotes. Does that matter?
109 2011-06-16 00:33:45 <grand_grunt> found it :) it was an useless coma in config file :)
110 2011-06-16 00:33:49 <grand_grunt> Good tool: http://jsonlint.com/
111 2011-06-16 00:40:26 <ericmock> woot!!  step #2 completed in getting a native Cocoa UI on bitcoin
112 2011-06-16 00:40:48 <ezl-> nice ericmock
113 2011-06-16 00:40:56 <ericmock> only 25 more steps to go ;-)
114 2011-06-16 00:40:56 <ezl-> hehe
115 2011-06-16 00:40:59 <ezl-> wow that is a very detailed plan you have there
116 2011-06-16 00:41:27 <jrmithdobbs> yes rand() is hard
117 2011-06-16 00:41:37 <jrmithdobbs> ;P
118 2011-06-16 00:41:46 <ericmock> well, step #2 was downloading the source
119 2011-06-16 00:42:28 <ericmock> actually, no...  got it compiling in Xcode
120 2011-06-16 00:42:37 <ericmock> step #1 was getting it compiling from makefile
121 2011-06-16 00:45:00 <ericmock> the UI code doesn't actually look too bad.  basically just glue between the widgets and the main code (with some basic input checking)
122 2011-06-16 00:45:39 <jrmithdobbs> better than it once was
123 2011-06-16 00:49:55 <grand_grunt> And now... how to mine?
124 2011-06-16 00:52:18 <grand_grunt> Seriously I cann't get why there are so many bitcoins created with mining tools so rough and unusable
125 2011-06-16 00:52:33 <grand_grunt> You have to google for hours to make the last stuff work
126 2011-06-16 00:52:59 <ericmock> because you're using Linux
127 2011-06-16 00:55:45 <jrmithdobbs> grand_grunt: dunno what you're talking about. software was the least of the problems i had
128 2011-06-16 00:56:31 <jrmithdobbs> was much harder finding something that would cut that goddamned glass+nylon polymer used to make pcie slots efficiently
129 2011-06-16 00:56:43 <jrmithdobbs> *cut it efficiently
130 2011-06-16 00:59:20 <grand_grunt> You kidding me.. I'm now adding miners by hand with sqlite commands.
131 2011-06-16 00:59:44 <grand_grunt> I've never had to do this before, for any software, and certainly not to manage my bank account
132 2011-06-16 00:59:54 <gjs278> um
133 2011-06-16 00:59:59 <grand_grunt> My opinion is that the bitcoin system has been released to soon
134 2011-06-16 01:00:34 <grand_grunt> too*
135 2011-06-16 01:00:42 <gjs278> what software are you using that you have to add miners to sqlite?
136 2011-06-16 01:00:50 <ericmock> grand_grunt: are you trying to set up a pool?
137 2011-06-16 01:00:52 <jrmithdobbs> gjs278: pushpool, which he obviously shouldn't be using if he's having issues
138 2011-06-16 01:00:59 <grand_grunt> pushpool
139 2011-06-16 01:01:25 <gjs278> lol
140 2011-06-16 01:01:31 <grand_grunt> ericmock: Yes :/
141 2011-06-16 01:01:50 <gjs278> why are you using pushpool
142 2011-06-16 01:02:00 <gjs278> for personal use
143 2011-06-16 01:02:11 <grand_grunt> ericmock: It is a fucking pain all this stuff
144 2011-06-16 01:02:47 <jrmithdobbs> grand_grunt: so make it easier and submit patches
145 2011-06-16 01:02:52 <ericmock> gotta keep the barrier to entry high
146 2011-06-16 01:02:59 <grand_grunt> gjs278: because I have about 10 or 15 different computers which I handle
147 2011-06-16 01:03:06 <gjs278> what's your total hhasrate
148 2011-06-16 01:03:07 <gjs278> hash
149 2011-06-16 01:03:24 <jrmithdobbs> 10Mhash
150 2011-06-16 01:03:32 <jrmithdobbs> watch
151 2011-06-16 01:03:45 <ericmock> ah, he's a university system admin eyeballing all those idle lab computers...
152 2011-06-16 01:03:50 <gjs278> yeah those core2duos really pull in the numbers
153 2011-06-16 01:03:52 <ericmock> they got GPUs
154 2011-06-16 01:03:54 <ericmock> and free electricity
155 2011-06-16 01:03:59 <grand_grunt> How I see the stuff: 1) People develop bitcoins, 2) They write their own tools to create bitcoins, 3) they say "hey, come in, use bitcoins", 4) tools are not really usable yet, so you have the choice to buy bitcoins or to spend time on buggy software
156 2011-06-16 01:04:01 <ericmock> to the admin anyway
157 2011-06-16 01:04:05 <gjs278> well
158 2011-06-16 01:04:12 <ericmock> not in the labs around me
159 2011-06-16 01:04:12 <grand_grunt> Or to join a pool that will take some of your bitcoins
160 2011-06-16 01:04:12 <jrmithdobbs> grand_grunt: you don't need pushpool to mine wit hthe amount of hashing power you're talking about
161 2011-06-16 01:04:13 <gjs278> a pool taking your bitcoins at the expense that you will actually get coins
162 2011-06-16 01:04:13 <grand_grunt> jrmithdobbs: I need a pool to have 50 bitcoins in.. let's say 6 months, and not 500 bitcoins in ten years.
163 2011-06-16 01:04:14 <jrmithdobbs> grand_grunt: nope
164 2011-06-16 01:04:42 <grand_grunt> I don't have GPU, only good CPU (Intel Xeon), about ten of them
165 2011-06-16 01:04:43 <jrmithdobbs> grand_grunt: apply rpcasyncio patch, build bitcoind, point miners at bitcoind. done.
166 2011-06-16 01:05:01 <jrmithdobbs> grand_grunt: oh in that case you have 0% probability of getting a block ever
167 2011-06-16 01:05:13 <jrmithdobbs> (ok, closer to 0.000000001%)
168 2011-06-16 01:05:40 <gjs278> yeah grand_grunt
169 2011-06-16 01:05:42 <grand_grunt> Did a calculation with simulator, it said I would get a block after 6 or 9 months.
170 2011-06-16 01:05:54 <gjs278> that's starting today
171 2011-06-16 01:06:02 <jrmithdobbs> grand_grunt: except that difficulty changes ever 7-14 days
172 2011-06-16 01:06:03 <grand_grunt> But difficulty is growing up, let's say 10 years
173 2011-06-16 01:06:08 <gjs278> in 6 - 9 months it will be 60-90 months
174 2011-06-16 01:06:14 <volante> hi, i'm getting a build error: ui.h:16: error: variable or field UIThreadCall declared void
175 2011-06-16 01:06:24 <grand_grunt> Yes
176 2011-06-16 01:06:30 <midnightmagic> the simulator has no idea how fast difficulty will or won't grow.
177 2011-06-16 01:06:46 <gjs278> in all seriousness I wouldn't try and do the 10 xeons together
178 2011-06-16 01:06:51 <grand_grunt> But if I use 10 of these servers in a pool, I may have my block in less than a year
179 2011-06-16 01:06:56 <jrmithdobbs> volante: system/compiler?
180 2011-06-16 01:06:59 <gjs278> I've had 4 xeons going since march, I've kept track of what they've done
181 2011-06-16 01:06:59 <jrmithdobbs> volante: and what version of wx?
182 2011-06-16 01:06:59 <volante> gcc 4.4.1, ubuntu 9.04
183 2011-06-16 01:07:09 <volante> 9.10 sorry
184 2011-06-16 01:07:27 <volante> wxWidgets 2.9.1
185 2011-06-16 01:07:42 <jrmithdobbs> volante: did you modify anything?
186 2011-06-16 01:07:54 <ericmock> grand_grunt: you should really just give that up...  better to just buy some and hope the exchange rate skyrockets
187 2011-06-16 01:07:57 <volante> nope, jsut cloned the github repo about half an hour ago
188 2011-06-16 01:07:58 <jrmithdobbs> because afaik it builds fine on that platform
189 2011-06-16 01:08:05 <volante> trying to build the master branch
190 2011-06-16 01:08:16 <midnightmagic> actually, with your CPU, you may do better mining for namecoin. namecoin are (or were, earlier) going for more bitcoin per mining effort than btc were..  plus you might have a chance there.
191 2011-06-16 01:08:22 <gjs278> yes
192 2011-06-16 01:08:24 <gjs278> do namecoins
193 2011-06-16 01:08:25 <jrmithdobbs> volante: you sure you have the -dev packages for wx installed?
194 2011-06-16 01:08:27 <gjs278> exchange them for rela coins
195 2011-06-16 01:08:30 <gjs278> real*
196 2011-06-16 01:08:53 <jrmithdobbs> gjs278: are people seriously buying namecoins?
197 2011-06-16 01:09:00 <gjs278> who knows
198 2011-06-16 01:09:03 <jrmithdobbs> because lol
199 2011-06-16 01:09:03 <volante> i just downloaded the wx tgz for their latest development version (2.9.1) and built it according to the instructions in doc/build-unix.txt
200 2011-06-16 01:09:28 <gjs278> I think I saw an exchange rate of like 250:1
201 2011-06-16 01:09:31 <gjs278> but that was a bit ago
202 2011-06-16 01:09:39 <binarypoop> so bitcoins aren't the best Alt Currency ?
203 2011-06-16 01:09:45 <gjs278> they are
204 2011-06-16 01:09:58 <gjs278> they're so good that people mine alternate altnerate currencies just to get them
205 2011-06-16 01:10:20 <grand_grunt> serioulsy, sqlite.. plain text would have be too much simple I guess
206 2011-06-16 01:10:22 <volante> heres the full build error: http://nopaste.voric.com/paste.php?f=dv23px
207 2011-06-16 01:10:28 <binarypoop> Nice. Alternative compoundation.
208 2011-06-16 01:11:01 <ericmock> grand_grunt: I really don't know why you're wasting your time on this
209 2011-06-16 01:11:26 <gjs278> the sqlite I guess is for logging purposes once they start submitting shares
210 2011-06-16 01:12:41 <gjs278> not really something that would play well with plaintext once it started hashing
211 2011-06-16 01:12:53 <jrmithdobbs> grand_grunt: pushpool isn't designed for what you're doing with it
212 2011-06-16 01:13:17 <jrmithdobbs> gjs278: actually, last i looked at the default sample config, it only logs to plaintext by default ;P
213 2011-06-16 01:13:35 <jrmithdobbs> gjs278: but it use sqlite(default)/mysql/postgres for user lookup
214 2011-06-16 01:13:40 <gjs278> oh okay
215 2011-06-16 01:13:43 <gjs278> what about share capturing
216 2011-06-16 01:13:47 <gjs278> does it plaintext that?
217 2011-06-16 01:13:51 <gjs278> by default I mean
218 2011-06-16 01:13:51 <jrmithdobbs> logs to plaintext by default
219 2011-06-16 01:13:56 <gjs278> hmm
220 2011-06-16 01:14:06 <jrmithdobbs> only thing that requires db by default is user lookup
221 2011-06-16 01:14:26 <gjs278> well I guess he wouldn't exactly have to payout anyone besides himself 60 years from now
222 2011-06-16 01:17:25 <volante> anyone got any idea about my build error? :/
223 2011-06-16 01:17:54 <volante> im using libboost1.40
224 2011-06-16 01:17:58 <gjs278> yes
225 2011-06-16 01:18:00 <gjs278> change your boost version
226 2011-06-16 01:18:05 <gjs278> to 1.41 or 1.42
227 2011-06-16 01:19:09 <volante> ok thanks.  its not packaged for my ubuntu version so i guess ill have to build it manually
228 2011-06-16 01:19:39 <volante> the docs said that boost 1.40+ would be ok?
229 2011-06-16 01:21:32 <gjs278> volante whenever I get anything about boost I just flip versions and it works
230 2011-06-16 01:21:51 <gjs278> fuck you encrypto
231 2011-06-16 01:22:05 <midnightmagic> yes, people really are buying namecoins, with bitcoins.
232 2011-06-16 01:22:35 <midnightmagic> some people see the fact that apple.bit is registered, and there's a strong likelihood that Apple Inc can basically do nothing about it, and they have now driven up individual .bit to around $20USD per.
233 2011-06-16 01:23:01 <midnightmagic> it's a bit of a gold fever seizing them over there
234 2011-06-16 01:23:38 <gjs278> there's also a strong likelihood that it will never see mainstream use
235 2011-06-16 01:23:45 <midnightmagic> it doesn't matter.
236 2011-06-16 01:24:07 <midnightmagic> the people who use it are the ones who can be confident that it will be cryptographically sound.
237 2011-06-16 01:24:15 <midnightmagic> and those are the ones upset about the .com seizures.
238 2011-06-16 01:24:36 <denisx> will there be a difficulty-3 or do we double all the time?
239 2011-06-16 01:24:59 <midnightmagic> and they don't have to worry about that anymore. and then all those people who *want* to see .bit domains, will have simple instructions to do it, so that's on-demand too.
240 2011-06-16 01:25:46 <gmaxwell> midnightmagic: namecoin solves Zooko's triangle... which e.g. is actually a big problem for onion urls. They have crap names so it's trivially to trick people to go to the wrong sites.
241 2011-06-16 01:25:57 <phantomcircuit> midnightmagic, namecoin is inherently insecure for simple economic reasons
242 2011-06-16 01:26:15 <midnightmagic> the only problem I can see is that you have to spend every 12 weeks to upkeep.
243 2011-06-16 01:26:18 <gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: not if it gets bound to the bitcoin blockchain. via the alternative mining proposal.
244 2011-06-16 01:26:27 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: forget the technical name resolution problems
245 2011-06-16 01:26:28 <midnightmagic> so you can't squirrel away your wallet permanently like you can with bitcoin.
246 2011-06-16 01:26:30 <gmaxwell> midnightmagic: pretty small amount though.
247 2011-06-16 01:26:36 <midnightmagic> yeah exactly.
248 2011-06-16 01:26:54 <gjs278> you can't register it ahead of time?
249 2011-06-16 01:26:59 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, honestly i cant imagine how that's possible, link?
250 2011-06-16 01:27:00 <gjs278> likay pay for 12 years or something
251 2011-06-16 01:27:09 <jrmithdobbs> gjs278: no it's dumb
252 2011-06-16 01:27:10 <gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: 0_o
253 2011-06-16 01:27:14 <gjs278> lol
254 2011-06-16 01:27:24 <gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: http://forum.bitcoin.org/?topic=7219.0
255 2011-06-16 01:27:29 <jrmithdobbs> namecoins are a fad
256 2011-06-16 01:27:37 <midnightmagic> no, you have to pay at the time-of, and then it's only effective *from that time on to another 12 weeks*
257 2011-06-16 01:27:38 <jrmithdobbs> but hey, cash in on it while you can ;P
258 2011-06-16 01:27:40 <gmaxwell> My understaning is that it's planned.
259 2011-06-16 01:28:07 <midnightmagic> nah, they're an economy on top of another economy. and you'll recall that bitcoin were the "fad" not so long ago too..
260 2011-06-16 01:30:35 <Zarutian> midnightmagic: iirc, fads can eather die out or become fashion from there on it will migrate to the main laim stream
261 2011-06-16 01:31:00 <doublec> phantomcircuit, gmaxwell, vinced is currently working on it
262 2011-06-16 01:35:37 <rusty> Hi all... two dumb questions.  (1) Is there any plan to separate the gui to run the daemon in a separate process rather than recompiling files with -DGUI and sharing code that way?  And (2) Has anyone else looked at ISO 4217:2008 and getting a sanctioned TLA for bitcoin?
263 2011-06-16 01:36:25 <jgarzik> rusty: patches welcome!
264 2011-06-16 01:37:12 <rusty> jgarzik: cool... I will proceed.  I think that a nice separation would make alternate front ends easier.
265 2011-06-16 01:37:42 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, reading that you would need to convince a large enough % of miners to do that such that when the marginal revenue of mining decreases and it becomes unprofitable for many the influx of cheap mining gear doesn't allow one individual to obtain >50% of market share
266 2011-06-16 01:38:21 <phantomcircuit> rusty, getting iso to do anything is costly
267 2011-06-16 01:38:35 <gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: It would make sense that they common miner-oriented daemons would eventually be multichain out of the box.
268 2011-06-16 01:38:54 <phantomcircuit> yeah i guess it would
269 2011-06-16 01:39:02 <phantomcircuit> increase marginal revenues
270 2011-06-16 01:39:08 <gmaxwell> "free money! whhoo!"
271 2011-06-16 01:39:09 <rusty> phantomcircuit: Yes, I know, I've dealt with them before.  The question was is anyone chasing it up?  We'd probably have to get XBT, since BTC would belong to Bhutan.
272 2011-06-16 01:42:28 <jgarzik> rusty: not AFAWK
273 2011-06-16 01:43:16 <rusty> jgarzik: excellent.  I shall begin serious enquiries now.
274 2011-06-16 01:43:31 <jgarzik> rusty: very cool :)  getting a real ISO designation would be fantastic.
275 2011-06-16 01:50:24 <denisx> jgarzik: does this look good to you? http://pastebin.com/fEQ0dhx2
276 2011-06-16 01:51:08 <jgarzik> denisx: does it work?  :)
277 2011-06-16 01:55:22 <denisx> jgarzik: the btcguild guy coded that already and did not upstream it?
278 2011-06-16 01:56:52 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: hey what was the fix that prevented multiple OP_SIGCHECK spams?
279 2011-06-16 01:57:05 <jrmithdobbs> you know?
280 2011-06-16 01:57:13 <jgarzik> denisx: ?
281 2011-06-16 01:57:15 <jgarzik> jrmithdobbs: ?
282 2011-06-16 01:58:00 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Incidents#OP_CHECKSIG_abuse
283 2011-06-16 01:58:02 <denisx> jgarzik: btcguild guy wants to change the difficulty next week to 2. so he must have code in pushpoold to do that already
284 2011-06-16 01:58:05 <jrmithdobbs> what was the fix for that?
285 2011-06-16 01:58:16 <jrmithdobbs> I mean specifically in the code
286 2011-06-16 01:58:49 <jgarzik> jrmithdobbs: oh that.  I'd have to look at the version history, something you can do too :)
287 2011-06-16 01:59:08 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: ya was just hoping you knew off the top of your head ;P
288 2011-06-16 01:59:08 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, isstandard
289 2011-06-16 01:59:31 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: ah, that's where isstandaard came from?
290 2011-06-16 02:00:13 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, yes
291 2011-06-16 02:02:24 <jgarzik> isStandard was for something else, iirc
292 2011-06-16 02:03:09 <jrmithdobbs> i think it is IsStandard cause looking at it that would prevent multiple OP_CHECKSIGs being a DOS issue since only things processing non-IsStandard txns will run the scirpts
293 2011-06-16 02:04:38 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, probably one solution for many problems
294 2011-06-16 02:04:51 <phantomcircuit> there isn't another check for multiple OP_CHECKSIG operations afaict
295 2011-06-16 02:05:09 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Daniel Folkinshteyn * r7a3698808855 supybot-bitcoin-marketmonitor/OTCOrderBook/plugin.py: OTCOrderBook: add username output to the otc ticker channel http://tinyurl.com/63fsaxw
296 2011-06-16 02:05:37 <espinet> anyone know where i can get a mtgox closing data since it began?
297 2011-06-16 02:06:30 <coderrr> espinet, mtgox.com/code/data/getHistory.php and tweak 'period' param
298 2011-06-16 02:06:44 <coderrr> check out the ajax calls on the mega chart page
299 2011-06-16 02:07:17 <paxos> "EXCEPTION: NSt8ios_base7failureE       \nCAutoFile::read : end of file       \nbitcoin in ProcessMessage()       \n"
300 2011-06-16 02:07:43 <paxos> anyone know what that means?  received that from a getinfo jsonrpc
301 2011-06-16 02:08:00 <paxos> bitcoind also stopped taking in new blocks
302 2011-06-16 02:08:05 <phantomcircuit> that your db is fucked
303 2011-06-16 02:08:15 <phantomcircuit> or possibly that you moved it while it was running
304 2011-06-16 02:08:30 <paxos> no moving
305 2011-06-16 02:08:35 <paxos> process started with virgin datadir
306 2011-06-16 02:08:36 <phantomcircuit> since bdb is fucktarded and doesn't take advantage of unix keeping files open even after moving them
307 2011-06-16 02:09:46 <paxos> I can't seem to get a full block history without some type of db error.. bitcoind 64bit linux
308 2011-06-16 02:10:31 <paxos> 0.3.23
309 2011-06-16 02:13:36 <denisx> phoenix can't handle difficulty-2, is that correct?
310 2011-06-16 02:15:08 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Daniel Folkinshteyn * r8f28ed01dd74 supybot-bitcoin-marketmonitor/GPG/plugin.py: GPG: ignore keyerror if we're not in one of the monitored channels http://tinyurl.com/6k37uza
311 2011-06-16 02:15:39 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: really? it doesn't? it used to
312 2011-06-16 02:15:45 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: has oracle killed another good product already? :(
313 2011-06-16 02:16:03 <grbgout> Hmm, should I be concerned that my bitcoin client only has 8 connections?
314 2011-06-16 02:16:34 <grbgout> Should I update to the newest client?
315 2011-06-16 02:16:44 <jrmithdobbs> yes
316 2011-06-16 02:16:50 <jrmithdobbs> and you should turn on upnp
317 2011-06-16 02:16:59 <gjs278> or portforward
318 2011-06-16 02:17:03 <jrmithdobbs> or forward 8333 in your router
319 2011-06-16 02:17:13 <grbgout> eh... I'd rather not use UPNP.  Port forwarding has been enabled since March 24th.
320 2011-06-16 02:17:26 <grbgout> Most connections I've ever seen was 53, or something.
321 2011-06-16 02:17:28 <gjs278> 8 conns with portforwarding you should check to see if the forwarding is still set to your internal ip
322 2011-06-16 02:17:30 <espinet> how to i adjust the parameters for https://mtgox.com/code/data/getHistory.php?
323 2011-06-16 02:17:32 <gjs278> or upgrade clients
324 2011-06-16 02:17:40 <espinet> https://mtgox.com/code/data/getHistory.php?date=1277942400?date=....?
325 2011-06-16 02:17:41 <jrmithdobbs> both actually
326 2011-06-16 02:17:47 <grbgout> gjs278: IP hasn't changed, nor has the router....  I'll update the client.
327 2011-06-16 02:17:47 <jrmithdobbs> since irc channel bootstrapping code changed
328 2011-06-16 02:18:10 <gjs278> I'm on .22 I think
329 2011-06-16 02:18:37 <grbgout> is there a version RPC command?  I don't remember which I'm on.
330 2011-06-16 02:18:45 <jrmithdobbs> getinfo
331 2011-06-16 02:19:45 <grbgout> jrmithdobbs: durp, and I've looked at the version entry so many times too >_<
332 2011-06-16 02:19:47 <grbgout> "version" : 32200,
333 2011-06-16 02:20:03 <jrmithdobbs> oh then upgrade wont help much except to establing the 8 outbound connections quicker
334 2011-06-16 02:20:31 <paxos> "WARNING: Displayed transactions may not be correct!  You may need to upgrade, or other nodes may need to upgrade."
335 2011-06-16 02:20:33 <jrmithdobbs> establish
336 2011-06-16 02:20:49 <grbgout> Hmm
337 2011-06-16 02:21:01 <paxos> my bitcoind can not for the life of it get a full transaction history w/o corrupting the db
338 2011-06-16 02:21:03 <grbgout> I wonder why I've gotten so few
339 2011-06-16 02:21:05 <paxos> cosmic rays
340 2011-06-16 02:21:21 <jrmithdobbs> grbgout: (might as well upgrade though cause it lowers mandatory fees)
341 2011-06-16 02:21:30 <gjs278> "version" : 32300
342 2011-06-16 02:21:39 <espinet> how do i adjust the date for mtgox's getHistory.php?
343 2011-06-16 02:21:41 <jrmithdobbs> grbgout: try stopping, killing addr.dat, and restarting
344 2011-06-16 02:22:26 <grbgout> jrmithdobbs: I'll just kill addr.dat while bitcoind is building
345 2011-06-16 02:22:35 <gjs278> well
346 2011-06-16 02:22:35 <jrmithdobbs> grbgout: stop it first
347 2011-06-16 02:22:38 <gjs278> if bticoind is accessing it
348 2011-06-16 02:22:42 <gjs278> addr.dat won't be deleted
349 2011-06-16 02:22:53 <gjs278> it won't appear in the dir sure, but it will be still available for bitcoind to use
350 2011-06-16 02:22:59 <jrmithdobbs> also see phantomcircuit's comments about bdb not more than 30 min ago
351 2011-06-16 02:23:01 <grbgout> gjs278: I stopped bitcoind already
352 2011-06-16 02:23:01 <jrmithdobbs> so don't
353 2011-06-16 02:23:06 <gjs278> oh
354 2011-06-16 02:23:13 <gjs278> bitcoind building was a misread
355 2011-06-16 02:23:19 <gjs278> I thought you were building blockchain or something
356 2011-06-16 02:23:21 <grbgout> jrmithdobbs: I stopped it before make -f, of course.
357 2011-06-16 02:23:32 <jrmithdobbs> ya if it's already stopped no probs ;P
358 2011-06-16 02:24:02 <grbgout> is "-daemon" still necessary even with bitcoind? :\n1079217
359 2011-06-16 02:24:14 <grbgout> >_<
360 2011-06-16 02:24:40 <paxos> grbgout: you can put it in the .conf
361 2011-06-16 02:25:01 <grbgout> paxos: good point
362 2011-06-16 02:29:33 <grbgout> paxos: still seems rather redundant.... having a bitcoind and needing to supply -daemon
363 2011-06-16 02:30:58 <phantomcircuit> grbgout, no killing
364 2011-06-16 02:31:22 <phantomcircuit> patches to act otherwise have been rejected
365 2011-06-16 02:31:37 <paxos> grbgout: you can control whether it forks to the background or not
366 2011-06-16 02:31:41 <phantomcircuit> something about perfect being the enemy of good or some such nonsense
367 2011-06-16 02:31:43 <phantomcircuit> *eh hem*
368 2011-06-16 02:31:51 <phantomcircuit> paxos, no actually you cannot, whether rpc runs or it forks are both controlled by -daemon
369 2011-06-16 02:32:04 <paxos> phantomcircuit: thought rpc was the 'server' option
370 2011-06-16 02:32:14 <paxos> independent of the 'daemon' option
371 2011-06-16 02:32:18 <paxos> I don't know.. this is day 1 for me
372 2011-06-16 02:33:06 <grbgout> 31 connections now
373 2011-06-16 02:52:27 <Diablo-D3> meh, maybe I wont
374 2011-06-16 02:52:55 <gjs278> what was it
375 2011-06-16 02:53:13 <lfm> buy a 6990?
376 2011-06-16 02:57:14 <Diablo-D3> we need a bash.org for diablominer support
377 2011-06-16 02:57:19 <akiyama> guys, I`m trying to run the linux client but it gives me libgio library error. where is that library located ?
378 2011-06-16 02:57:41 <akiyama> any help ?
379 2011-06-16 02:57:52 <lfm> /usr/lib/libgio-2.0.so.0.2000.1
380 2011-06-16 02:58:25 <gjs278> my first submission would be people complaining that your thread was "pinned higher than all of the other threads"
381 2011-06-16 02:58:41 <gjs278> go post in the other pinned threads, see what happens
382 2011-06-16 02:58:43 <lfm> actually I have never heard of it before and have no idea why I got one
383 2011-06-16 02:59:04 <akiyama> hm I don't have it... any idea where it comes from ?
384 2011-06-16 02:59:18 <gjs278> glib
385 2011-06-16 03:00:11 <phantomcircuit> lfm, glib io stuff
386 2011-06-16 03:00:17 <lfm> akiyama: what distro you on?
387 2011-06-16 03:00:57 <akiyama> fedora 8
388 2011-06-16 03:01:04 <Diablo-D3> gjs278: I laughed so fucking hard at that one
389 2011-06-16 03:01:08 <Diablo-D3> its like
390 2011-06-16 03:01:22 <akiyama> I installed the glib but still the same...
391 2011-06-16 03:01:40 <Diablo-D3> these people have never fucking used a fucking forum before
392 2011-06-16 03:01:45 <phantomcircuit> akiyama, ldd ./bitcoin
393 2011-06-16 03:02:19 <gjs278> Topic: Total Lack of Linux Software
394 2011-06-16 03:02:27 <gjs278> wtf is this guy talking about
395 2011-06-16 03:02:29 <akiyama> nope... doesn't link it. Not found
396 2011-06-16 03:02:29 <lfm> according to ldd its not refed directly by bitcoin
397 2011-06-16 03:02:31 <akiyama> libgio-2.0.so.0 => not found
398 2011-06-16 03:02:32 <lfm> fedora glib package broke?
399 2011-06-16 03:02:32 <phantomcircuit> akiyama, locate libgio
400 2011-06-16 03:02:33 <cut> good luck fedora8. thats like 4 years old
401 2011-06-16 03:02:38 <akiyama> mmm... i dont know but I don't find it anywhere on my machine... and it insists I have the glib installed
402 2011-06-16 03:02:55 <phantomcircuit> akiyama, that was a command you should type, locate libgio
403 2011-06-16 03:03:03 <lfm> akiyama: oh, fedora 8 is too old then
404 2011-06-16 03:03:09 <akiyama> yeah I know. doesn't return anything
405 2011-06-16 03:03:11 <phantomcircuit> sirius, hey have you considered moving away from slicehost?
406 2011-06-16 03:03:20 <phantomcircuit> akiyama, try sudo updatedb
407 2011-06-16 03:03:27 <akiyama> I know it's old but I have reasons to use it
408 2011-06-16 03:03:29 <phantomcircuit> akiyama, then run it again
409 2011-06-16 03:04:04 <lfm> phantomcircuit: is it possible an older version of glib didnt have any libgio?
410 2011-06-16 03:04:10 <cut> the only reason to use fedora8 is if it's a production machine that you can't update. and in that case, you shouldnt be running bitcoin on it :)
411 2011-06-16 03:04:20 <akiyama> lol
412 2011-06-16 03:04:45 <Diablo-D3> seriously
413 2011-06-16 03:04:53 <Diablo-D3> doing diablominer
414 2011-06-16 03:04:54 <Diablo-D3> its just daily
415 2011-06-16 03:04:56 <phantomcircuit> lfm, yes
416 2011-06-16 03:04:59 <Diablo-D3> my mind is full of fuck jay-peg
417 2011-06-16 03:06:27 <lfm> akiyama: I spoze you could try building it from source yourself but that seems doomed to failure too to me.
418 2011-06-16 03:09:11 <akiyama> well the thing is it's a machine I use for 3d softwares and the only OS that's supported by the developers of this software is Fedora  8. Don't ask me why...
419 2011-06-16 03:09:28 <akiyama> and no libgio found after the updatedb
420 2011-06-16 03:09:32 <akiyama> hm... http://www.mail-archive.com/fedora-arm@redhat.com/msg00016.html
421 2011-06-16 03:09:32 <lfm> akiyama: you prolly did an update -force and the dependancy just isnt there
422 2011-06-16 03:11:15 <lfm> one or more of the libs for boost, bdb, ssl or wxwidgets is basiclly not compiled for your version of fedora I assume
423 2011-06-16 03:11:27 <akiyama> yeah... damn I`m not going to bother installing it on this machine it seems. Will try it on newer distro. THanks for the pointers guys
424 2011-06-16 03:11:39 <lfm> ok good luck
425 2011-06-16 03:16:07 <AlonzoTG> Does mining accomplish anything useful or is it just a make-work?
426 2011-06-16 03:16:18 <jazzanova> hi
427 2011-06-16 03:16:35 <jazzanova> when I make a bitcoin payment, is there a description on the payment ?
428 2011-06-16 03:17:21 <jazzanova> why not add that ?
429 2011-06-16 03:17:38 <jazzanova> it woul be a way to publically record some information, in a distributed fashion.
430 2011-06-16 03:17:44 <jazzanova> a way to record agreement between two people
431 2011-06-16 03:17:48 <AlonzoTG> Okay, so it DOES do something useful, critical in fact...
432 2011-06-16 03:17:57 <jazzanova> for example "rent payment for july, 2010"
433 2011-06-16 03:18:05 <coderrr> jazzanova, you could start a separate service that records that metadata
434 2011-06-16 03:18:13 <coderrr> jazzanova, .... outside of the btc network
435 2011-06-16 03:18:23 <jazzanova> whyn not use the infrastructure ?
436 2011-06-16 03:18:25 <jrmithdobbs> jazzanova: if you use bitcoind you can add comments to your txns as stored in the wallet
437 2011-06-16 03:18:27 <coderrr> jazzanova, why use it ?
438 2011-06-16 03:18:35 <adgdggdagd> i think the most practical way would be not to add that to the BTC protocol directly but through a separate protocol that hooks onto the BTC network
439 2011-06-16 03:18:44 <jazzanova> because it is already peer to peer
440 2011-06-16 03:18:44 <phantomcircuit> AlonzoTG, yes it completely replaces the counterfeiting police and the associated court system
441 2011-06-16 03:18:54 <jrmithdobbs> jazzanova: but not through the gui at this time, and the comments are not stored in the blockchain
442 2011-06-16 03:19:08 <coderrr> jazzanova, the reason is, the more data u store in the network, the harder to scale it up
443 2011-06-16 03:19:36 <jrmithdobbs> jazzanova: though, the gui does display said comments
444 2011-06-16 03:19:52 <jazzanova> adgdggdagd: not sure how to "hook"
445 2011-06-16 03:19:53 <phantomcircuit> i love all the comments from people with no clue
446 2011-06-16 03:19:57 <phantomcircuit> they're hilarious
447 2011-06-16 03:20:06 <adgdggdagd> me neither, just a random guess
448 2011-06-16 03:20:55 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: yes i love the "no you can't do that" answers to things you clearly can
449 2011-06-16 03:21:00 <adgdggdagd> phantomcircuit: please enlighten us clueless plebe? :)
450 2011-06-16 03:21:30 <phantomcircuit> not talking about this
451 2011-06-16 03:21:58 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: oh what now?
452 2011-06-16 03:22:00 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: more forum trolling?
453 2011-06-16 03:22:14 <gjs278> but... that would mean we commented... on something we had no clue about
454 2011-06-16 03:23:15 <jrmithdobbs> yes, txn comments are the biggest problem for bitcoin scalability, duh
455 2011-06-16 03:23:16 <jrmithdobbs> did you miss the memo
456 2011-06-16 03:23:17 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, transactions into dht and all of a sudden storage becomes trivial
457 2011-06-16 03:23:22 <adgdggdagd> couldn't you devise some sort of system by creating a new address for every transaction, and using a third party website that you register to and write messages to the addresses
458 2011-06-16 03:23:24 <jrmithdobbs> jazzanova: and yes, it would also be trivial to extend the current comment code to actually store the comments in the blockchain
459 2011-06-16 03:23:28 <jrmithdobbs> jazzanova: despite what coderrr told you.
460 2011-06-16 03:23:35 <jazzanova> jrmithdobbs: ok, but that would mean people would have to run another client
461 2011-06-16 03:23:40 <jrmithdobbs> jazzanova: nope.
462 2011-06-16 03:23:58 <jazzanova> ok, so then everyone would need to agree to run the upgraded version ?
463 2011-06-16 03:24:02 <jrmithdobbs> jazzanova: just only people running a client aware of how to decode the comments would see them
464 2011-06-16 03:24:16 <gjs278> people who didn't agree just wouldnt get them
465 2011-06-16 03:24:18 <jrmithdobbs> jazzanova: it'd just be done in the script with the pushdata ops
466 2011-06-16 03:24:25 <jazzanova> jrmithdobbs: so when I make the transaction, Iput a comment there ?
467 2011-06-16 03:24:38 <jrmithdobbs> jazzanova: sure, it just wont currently pass IsStandard
468 2011-06-16 03:24:41 <coderrr> jrmithdobbs, so why werent comments included in teh blockchain ?
469 2011-06-16 03:24:47 <gjs278> who needs them
470 2011-06-16 03:25:03 <jrmithdobbs> coderrr: because the prupose is to record them for the user not the world
471 2011-06-16 03:25:33 <jazzanova> you kidding me
472 2011-06-16 03:25:44 <coderrr> jrmithdobbs, blockchain size had nothing to do with it ?
473 2011-06-16 03:27:05 <jrmithdobbs> coderrr: you can add arbitrary sized data (to a certain limit i forget atm) to any script
474 2011-06-16 03:27:56 <coderrr> yea u CAN but the client doesnt
475 2011-06-16 03:28:00 <jrmithdobbs> there are ops in the script spec to SPECIFICALLY allow this
476 2011-06-16 03:28:22 <jrmithdobbs> eg, people have written timestamping code that stores data in the blockchain
477 2011-06-16 03:28:23 <jazzanova> i tihnk the comment can be a bittorent url -- on the bittorent you'd put the full document.
478 2011-06-16 03:28:33 <jazzanova> i'm trying to think how to insure a copyright/patent on an idea!
479 2011-06-16 03:28:42 <jrmithdobbs> coderrr: doesn't matter what the client does, it would be a simple extension to the client that is completely compliant with the blockchain format, is the point.
480 2011-06-16 03:28:44 <jazzanova> imagine an ability to be first to record your invention.
481 2011-06-16 03:28:51 <jrmithdobbs> jazzanova: too late.
482 2011-06-16 03:29:00 <jazzanova> why ?
483 2011-06-16 03:29:14 <jrmithdobbs> jazzanova: you discussed it in a public forum, and you're not the originator of this idea.
484 2011-06-16 03:29:16 <volante> setting USE_UPNP= doesnt seem to stop the build from wanting upnp: net.cpp:13:32: error: miniupnpc/miniwget.h: No such file or directory
485 2011-06-16 03:29:27 <eddyb> hi
486 2011-06-16 03:29:29 <jazzanova> i have discussed it ?
487 2011-06-16 03:29:31 <volante> is it possible to build without miniupnpc?
488 2011-06-16 03:29:34 <eddyb> I've read what I could find on the wiki, but it's not that technical...
489 2011-06-16 03:29:37 <jrmithdobbs> volante: make -f makefile.<whichever> USE_UPNP=
490 2011-06-16 03:29:40 <eddyb> I'm not sure if I got the theory right... is the generation algorithm something like do{hash=sha256(sha256(something+nonce));}while(hash<target); ?
491 2011-06-16 03:29:41 <jazzanova> is anyone doing this ?
492 2011-06-16 03:29:41 <jrmithdobbs> jazzanova: people have already timestamped data in the blockchain, yes
493 2011-06-16 03:29:42 <volante> oh right :) thats better, thanks
494 2011-06-16 03:29:44 <coderrr> jazzanova, just post a sha hash of your idea to a public place taht is timestampped, liek email list
495 2011-06-16 03:29:45 <eddyb> where something+nonce means concatenation. and what's that "something" there
496 2011-06-16 03:30:18 <volante> question about bitcoin while this compiles.. if someone sends out a transaction, the transaction will point to the most recent block right?  so if after sending the transaction, they suddenly see a new, bigger chain, would they have to redo their transaction on top of that and send it out again?
497 2011-06-16 03:30:38 <jazzanova> okei, well, i'm trying to solve this problem:  how do I associate an existing project with an owner of that project.  For example, an mp3 and its maker. or a photo and its maker.
498 2011-06-16 03:31:16 <AlonzoTG> Is there a reference implementation of the mining algorithm? Is there a C version?
499 2011-06-16 03:31:27 <jrmithdobbs> jazzanova: i don't think bitcoin is the way to do this
500 2011-06-16 03:31:55 <jrmithdobbs> volante: yup.
501 2011-06-16 03:32:14 <volante> does the client automatically do that, or would you see your transaction fail and have to redo it?
502 2011-06-16 03:32:43 <jrmithdobbs> not sure, i've not dug in that part of the code too much
503 2011-06-16 03:33:03 <eddyb> uhm, does anyone know how that generation thing works?
504 2011-06-16 03:33:13 <diki> eddy?
505 2011-06-16 03:33:46 <eddyb> [08:28] <eddyb> I'm not sure if I got the theory right... is the generation algorithm something like do{hash=sha256(sha256(something+nonce));}while(hash<target); ?
506 2011-06-16 03:33:54 <eddyb> [08:29] <eddyb> where something+nonce means concatenation. and what's that "something" there?
507 2011-06-16 03:34:59 <volante> eddyb have you read the white paper on bitcoin?  http://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf
508 2011-06-16 03:35:07 <jrmithdobbs> eddyb: basically, yes, and that something is the previous block hash and it's while(hash>target) since if it's <target you already won
509 2011-06-16 03:35:53 <eddyb> right, wrote that wrong...
510 2011-06-16 03:36:37 <eddyb> ok, the previous block hash is a full sha256 hash?
511 2011-06-16 03:36:54 <jrmithdobbs> you got it
512 2011-06-16 03:36:57 <jazzanova> what do you think about using a bitcoin address as an equivalent of identity ?
513 2011-06-16 03:37:23 <eddyb> 12bytes->8bytes->8bytes?
514 2011-06-16 03:37:24 <gmaxwell> jazzanova: hurray infinite identities for everyone!
515 2011-06-16 03:37:52 <eddyb> the sizes of the input and the outputs
516 2011-06-16 03:38:02 <jazzanova> gmaxwell: thats ok.  you can choose to have say a certain identity for certain things.
517 2011-06-16 03:38:24 <jrmithdobbs> jazzanova: horrible idea
518 2011-06-16 03:38:36 <jazzanova> i mean, bitcoin address insteod of email
519 2011-06-16 03:38:37 <jrmithdobbs> jazzanova: there are better systems in place to do this already
520 2011-06-16 03:38:42 <eddyb> and because a sha256 block is 512bits, I can assume it's only one block for each of the two sha256
521 2011-06-16 03:38:48 <eddyb> ok, thanks guys
522 2011-06-16 03:38:50 <jazzanova> openid ?
523 2011-06-16 03:38:52 <jrmithdobbs> jazzanova: pgp
524 2011-06-16 03:39:09 <volante> ok i just finally got my compile done and now its running.  anyone wanna send me some coin? :P
525 2011-06-16 03:39:12 <jazzanova> i see
526 2011-06-16 03:41:03 <gmaxwell> gah. it doesn't point to a block it gets included in a block
527 2011-06-16 03:41:13 <jrmithdobbs> semantics
528 2011-06-16 03:41:16 <gmaxwell> and if the chain splits and the new block doesn't have it all miners remember the txn from the split chain and include it automatically.
529 2011-06-16 03:41:23 <jazzanova> jrmithdobbs: is there a good discussion channel you can recommend me for pgp / identity stuff ?
530 2011-06-16 03:43:29 <jrmithdobbs> alt.crypto ?
531 2011-06-16 03:44:15 <jazzanova> thats a newsgroup ?
532 2011-06-16 03:44:45 <jazzanova> ok, foudn #crypto
533 2011-06-16 03:46:28 <volante> gmaxwell: oh ok, yeah i knew the block needs to reference the transactions but i thought there might have been a link the other way.  so transactions can just float around forever and eventually get put into a block..
534 2011-06-16 03:48:10 <lfm> volante: no link the other way so ya they can float around indefinatly waiting to get in the block chain
535 2011-06-16 03:51:17 <volante> the reason i thought it would reference the latest block is because then you can ensure someone didnt pre-generate transactions in the past. but actually its no problem if someone wants to do that cos the blocks themselves have to reference the previous one. got it (i think).
536 2011-06-16 04:01:19 <Diablo-D3> http://fatpita.net/?i=6780
537 2011-06-16 04:22:34 <mrb_> why is an apparently official 0.3.23 release linked from bitcoin.org, when jgarzik has only officially distributed a release candidate so far?
538 2011-06-16 04:23:22 <mrb_> there has never been an announcement that 0.3.23 had been released.
539 2011-06-16 04:31:48 <EPiSKiNG-> WHAT THE FUCK!
540 2011-06-16 04:32:02 <mrb_> EPiSKiNG-: did you have a secure password? how long? did you use non-alphanum chars?
541 2011-06-16 04:32:18 <EPiSKiNG-> ??
542 2011-06-16 04:32:23 <EPiSKiNG-> My mt.gox password?
543 2011-06-16 04:32:31 <mrb_> yes
544 2011-06-16 04:32:32 <EPiSKiNG-> it's linked to google
545 2011-06-16 04:32:32 <mrb_> what does this mean?
546 2011-06-16 04:32:33 <EPiSKiNG-> whoops
547 2011-06-16 04:32:44 <EPiSKiNG-> but my password was a secure one,
548 2011-06-16 04:32:48 <EPiSKiNG-> alpha-numeric
549 2011-06-16 04:33:05 <mrb_> was it a word followed by 1 or 2 digits only?
550 2011-06-16 04:33:25 <mrb_> if yes that's not secure enough
551 2011-06-16 04:33:41 <mrb_> there are people doing password bruteforcing against MtGox accounts. 24/7.
552 2011-06-16 04:34:09 <mrb_> it was reported months ago. there is no doubt they did not stop.
553 2011-06-16 04:34:33 <EPiSKiNG-> so what can i do?????
554 2011-06-16 04:34:49 <kfr> EPiSKiNG- how long was the password
555 2011-06-16 04:34:52 <mrb_> MagicalTux developped anti-DDoS and anti-bruteforcing code to attemp to block or limit the attempts, but that's not 100% failproof
556 2011-06-16 04:34:58 <kfr> Did it partially contain any English terms?
557 2011-06-16 04:35:04 <EPiSKiNG-> long enough and no
558 2011-06-16 04:35:20 <EPiSKiNG-> it was random
559 2011-06-16 04:35:29 <kfr> How long was it?
560 2011-06-16 04:35:38 <EPiSKiNG-> why do you ask?
561 2011-06-16 04:35:40 <mrb_> EPiSKiNG-: contact MagicalTux, ask who accessed your account. from which IP. report this IP to the authorities.
562 2011-06-16 04:35:42 <EPiSKiNG-> so you can bruteforce it
563 2011-06-16 04:35:42 <mtrlt> because we have no idea what is "long enough" for you
564 2011-06-16 04:35:50 <EPiSKiNG-> 9 characters
565 2011-06-16 04:36:01 <mrb_> we ask because you probably have an incorrect conception of what a secure pw is
566 2011-06-16 04:36:03 <EPiSKiNG-> i see that
567 2011-06-16 04:36:04 <kfr> 9 is borderline :L
568 2011-06-16 04:36:14 <EPiSKiNG-> god damn... 100 BTC
569 2011-06-16 04:36:21 <mrb_> 'Charlie42' or similar is NOT a secure pw
570 2011-06-16 04:36:26 <EPiSKiNG-> yeah, i know that
571 2011-06-16 04:36:29 <mrb_> even though it's 9 char long
572 2011-06-16 04:37:29 <MagicalTux> many people got their password stolen not because of bruteforcing, but because they used the same on another place or installed something bad on their computer
573 2011-06-16 04:38:34 <mrb_> yeah, or that. re-using a passwd is bad, eg. don't use the same pw on forum.bitcoin.org and mtgox.com
574 2011-06-16 04:39:42 <EPiSKiNG-> how do you manage your passwordS?
575 2011-06-16 04:41:00 <kluge> mnemonic devices are nice
576 2011-06-16 04:41:19 <mrb_> I have a different pw for everything. they are fully random (alphnum + special characters) and 12+ char long. i store them in a pw vault (encrypted file)
577 2011-06-16 04:41:59 <wumpus> mrb_: yep same here
578 2011-06-16 04:42:18 <mrb_> I remember probably 10 off the top of my head (the ones I use daily)
579 2011-06-16 04:42:40 <mrb_> for others, I have to open the pw vault.
580 2011-06-16 04:42:45 <mtrlt> where do you store the vault?
581 2011-06-16 04:42:54 <mrb_> on my fully-encrypted laptop disk. and only there.
582 2011-06-16 04:42:56 <Namegduf> mrb_: Have you considered using KeePass or LastPass or such?
583 2011-06-16 04:43:03 <mrb_> I don't use 3rd party services. I don't trust them.
584 2011-06-16 04:43:19 <mrb_> no. LastPass got hacked last month.
585 2011-06-16 04:43:32 <Namegduf> Every piece of software you have on your computer running under your user account has the capability to steal anything on your user account.
586 2011-06-16 04:43:48 <mtrlt> yea using 3rd party services is a recipe for fail
587 2011-06-16 04:44:05 <mrb_> of course. there has to be a list of core apps I trust.
588 2011-06-16 04:44:05 <Namegduf> mrb_: Irrelevant, given that LastPass themselves do not have a decrypted copy of the password file
589 2011-06-16 04:44:07 <coderrr> keepass is open source
590 2011-06-16 04:44:07 <Namegduf> I think KeePass is local-only, which reduces the threat to the same one posed by having to trust your browser, your OS, and every other app you have installed not to be stealing your secrets.
591 2011-06-16 04:44:12 <mrb_> I don't trust their sw. they are "planning" to open source some parts of it. but hasn't been done yet.
592 2011-06-16 04:44:28 <Namegduf> Fair enough.
593 2011-06-16 04:44:44 <Namegduf> You're still trusting every other third party app on your computer not to be keylogging
594 2011-06-16 04:44:56 <Namegduf> But that's your call on degree.
595 2011-06-16 04:45:59 <Namegduf> "not trusting third party sources" sounds good, but when you get down to actually doing it, there's major issues; you basically need to write your own compiler and then vet the source code from scratch.
596 2011-06-16 04:46:07 <Namegduf> And you have to build said compiler without any other compiler.
597 2011-06-16 04:46:08 <mtrlt> you also have to trust the hardware
598 2011-06-16 04:46:09 <Namegduf> Yeah.
599 2011-06-16 04:46:10 <mtrlt> and you also have to trust someone hasn't hacked your brain
600 2011-06-16 04:46:31 <mrb_> the CEO of LastPass offered me a consulting gig some time ago. I declined (too busy)
601 2011-06-16 04:49:49 <Diablo-D3> didnt lastpass get raped awhile back?
602 2011-06-16 04:49:59 <phantomcircuit> yes they did
603 2011-06-16 04:50:10 <phantomcircuit> because they were ig fat liars and had a backdoor
604 2011-06-16 04:50:20 <Namegduf> phantomcircuit: Details, link, etc?
605 2011-06-16 04:50:27 <phantomcircuit> ws on /.
606 2011-06-16 04:51:10 <Diablo-D3> I saw it on hn
607 2011-06-16 04:51:17 <phantomcircuit> they didn't actually get hacked
608 2011-06-16 04:51:21 <phantomcircuit> they just told people to change their passwords out of an abundance of caution
609 2011-06-16 04:51:25 <Namegduf> I never heard of anything past them seeing some weirdass activity
610 2011-06-16 04:51:44 <Namegduf> And them assuming they'd been hacked because it was the sensible assumption to take in their place
611 2011-06-16 04:51:46 <Namegduf> After being unable to find any explanation internally.
612 2011-06-16 04:51:58 <phantomcircuit> http://it.slashdot.org/story/11/05/07/007200/LastPass-Users-Dont-Have-To-Reset-Master-PWDs
613 2011-06-16 04:52:51 <Namegduf> The commenters have the stupid
614 2011-06-16 04:53:03 <Namegduf> You encrypt data with a massive long key prefixed/appended to the data
615 2011-06-16 04:53:11 <Namegduf> Then you encrypt the key once per password you want to have
616 2011-06-16 04:53:24 <Namegduf> Using the password.
617 2011-06-16 04:53:27 <phantomcircuit> they usually do
618 2011-06-16 04:53:47 <Namegduf> That is how you do passphrase-changeable encrypted data, as well as OTPs along with regular passwords.
619 2011-06-16 04:53:54 <Namegduf> But it looks right, yeah.
620 2011-06-16 04:53:55 <phantomcircuit> wat
621 2011-06-16 04:55:55 <Namegduf> Re-encrypting the enter DB for a password change would suck horribly.
622 2011-06-16 04:56:12 <mrb_> "PayPal vulnerability allows access to any account within 30 seconds"
623 2011-06-16 04:56:16 <mrb_> http://thenextweb.com/industry/2011/06/16/paypal-vulnerability-allows-access-to-any-account-within-30-seconds/
624 2011-06-16 04:56:54 <stuhood> also http://consumerist.com/2011/06/how-hackers-stole-200000-citi-accounts-by-exploiting-basic-browser-vulnerability.html
625 2011-06-16 04:57:28 <Namegduf> Morons trusting user input
626 2011-06-16 04:57:42 <Diablo-D3> heh
627 2011-06-16 04:57:51 <Diablo-D3> and whats really stupid is citi uses java
628 2011-06-16 04:58:09 <Diablo-D3> java has about half a dozen security frameworks for websites
629 2011-06-16 04:58:12 <Diablo-D3> USE ANY OF THEM
630 2011-06-16 04:58:16 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, all the major banks use java
631 2011-06-16 04:58:29 <Diablo-D3> phantomcircuit: I meant in the context of their user end website
632 2011-06-16 04:58:55 <Diablo-D3> you know whats REEALLLY stupid? I heard theres some guy trying to sell his shitty miner
633 2011-06-16 04:59:09 <mrb_> lol
634 2011-06-16 04:59:15 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, i can reliably fuck up the bofa site and get a stack trace, reported it like half a dozen times and nobody has fixed it
635 2011-06-16 05:01:40 <gjs278> dude
636 2011-06-16 05:01:49 <mrb_> what can I say. slow miners can only be given away for free :)
637 2011-06-16 05:01:51 <gjs278> I wouldn't report glitches on banking websites
638 2011-06-16 05:01:56 <Diablo-D3> mrb_: seriously, only 6.3%? thats low man
639 2011-06-16 05:02:04 <gjs278> unless I wanted to go to jail
640 2011-06-16 05:02:12 <Diablo-D3> I can overclock my gpu and get that 6.3%
641 2011-06-16 05:02:14 <Diablo-D3> mrb_: do you have a 5850?
642 2011-06-16 05:02:14 <mrb_> I can overclock my gpu and regain another 6.3%
643 2011-06-16 05:02:14 <phantomcircuit> gjs278, meh
644 2011-06-16 05:02:15 <Diablo-D3> or any 58xx?
645 2011-06-16 05:02:15 <gjs278> lol
646 2011-06-16 05:02:15 <mrb_> I do have a 5870 somewhere
647 2011-06-16 05:02:15 <phantomcircuit> gjs278, i was trying to move funds between my personal and business accounts but apparently those are actually separate banks
648 2011-06-16 05:02:16 <Diablo-D3> mrb_: tell me what your miner gets on 5xxx on SDK 2.1, and tell me what clocks its on
649 2011-06-16 05:02:16 <mrb_> I don't use it to mine though
650 2011-06-16 05:02:16 <phantomcircuit> but instead of saying SORRY WRONG BANK
651 2011-06-16 05:02:17 <gjs278> my bank if I physically walk in wont let me withdraw money
652 2011-06-16 05:02:17 <mrb_> 80% of my farm i 6990s
653 2011-06-16 05:02:17 <phantomcircuit> it would just crash
654 2011-06-16 05:02:18 <Diablo-D3> mrb_: so basically your miner is useless shit
655 2011-06-16 05:02:18 <mrb_> is 6990s so I don't care that much about 5xxx perf
656 2011-06-16 05:02:27 <phantomcircuit> gjs278, lol wat
657 2011-06-16 05:02:31 <Namegduf> Miner fight
658 2011-06-16 05:02:37 <Diablo-D3> I'll be sure to use my mod powers to change the name of your thread to append it with "[SCAM]"
659 2011-06-16 05:02:39 <gjs278> my account was made when I was 5 with my dad and apparently I can't do *anything* with it
660 2011-06-16 05:02:46 <gjs278> only he can
661 2011-06-16 05:02:54 <Diablo-D3> gjs278: yes because its not YOUR account
662 2011-06-16 05:02:56 <gjs278> but I can do everything I want with the money online
663 2011-06-16 05:03:13 <sturles> phantomcircuit: In my days all major banks used COBOL.
664 2011-06-16 05:03:18 <gjs278> like right now I could withdraw every dollar of the account and make a new one
665 2011-06-16 05:03:20 <gjs278> and that would be cool
666 2011-06-16 05:03:24 <gjs278> but not if I did it inside the bank
667 2011-06-16 05:03:25 <Diablo-D3> also, I have just made my miner slightly pushpool proof
668 2011-06-16 05:03:29 <phantomcircuit> gjs278, oh oh i know this one, the account is in trust for you, so you need to have the name changed
669 2011-06-16 05:03:34 <gjs278> I tried that
670 2011-06-16 05:03:37 <gjs278> they said make a new one
671 2011-06-16 05:03:40 <phantomcircuit> rofl
672 2011-06-16 05:03:41 <Diablo-D3> gjs278: yeah, just make a new one
673 2011-06-16 05:03:45 <phantomcircuit> what shitty bank is this
674 2011-06-16 05:03:46 <Diablo-D3> THEY'RE FREE
675 2011-06-16 05:03:49 <gjs278> I have like 5 companies all direct depositing I'll make the flip one day
676 2011-06-16 05:03:51 <gjs278> first midwest
677 2011-06-16 05:03:57 <phantomcircuit> that's hilarious
678 2011-06-16 05:03:59 <Diablo-D3> phantomcircuit: a lot of banks wont allow title changes like that
679 2011-06-16 05:04:01 <Diablo-D3> due to fraud shit
680 2011-06-16 05:04:01 <phantomcircuit> i had an account like that
681 2011-06-16 05:04:12 <phantomcircuit> bofa just did it automatigally
682 2011-06-16 05:04:14 <Diablo-D3> thats actually quite normal
683 2011-06-16 05:04:15 <gjs278> I'd just keep the old one and then eventually all of the directs will change over
684 2011-06-16 05:04:16 <phantomcircuit> automagically*
685 2011-06-16 05:04:19 <Diablo-D3> bofa is a pile of shit and lets criminals steal your money
686 2011-06-16 05:04:25 <Diablo-D3> so w/e
687 2011-06-16 05:04:35 <phantomcircuit> yes this is why i have 2.74 in my checking account with them
688 2011-06-16 05:04:36 <phantomcircuit> lol
689 2011-06-16 05:04:56 <Diablo-D3> man pushpool is a pile of shit
690 2011-06-16 05:05:12 <Diablo-D3> even with the extra paranoid network shit I added
691 2011-06-16 05:05:32 <Diablo-D3> and the async sendwork thread
692 2011-06-16 05:06:12 <Diablo-D3> it still manages to make my miner flood "connect timed out" error messages
693 2011-06-16 05:06:25 <phantomcircuit> god people are dumb
694 2011-06-16 05:06:30 <phantomcircuit> i keep telling people to stop depositing into old britcoin addresses
695 2011-06-16 05:07:08 <Diablo-D3> phantomcircuit: then take it
696 2011-06-16 05:07:43 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, i believe thats called theft bro
697 2011-06-16 05:07:51 <gjs278> on bitcoins
698 2011-06-16 05:08:02 <Diablo-D3> not at all.
699 2011-06-16 05:08:05 <gjs278> there are no police
700 2011-06-16 05:08:08 <phantomcircuit> rofl
701 2011-06-16 05:08:12 <Diablo-D3> use wrong address, your coins gone forever
702 2011-06-16 05:08:15 <EPiSKiNG-> i just lost 100 BTC at Mt Gox
703 2011-06-16 05:08:18 <phantomcircuit> u 2
704 2011-06-16 05:08:21 <gjs278> how
705 2011-06-16 05:08:24 <EPiSKiNG-> I'm a little damn sore
706 2011-06-16 05:08:27 <Diablo-D3> EPiSKiNG-: how?
707 2011-06-16 05:08:53 <phantomcircuit> "csrf token mismatch!"
708 2011-06-16 05:09:17 <mrb_> Diablo-D3: let me know when you optimize for 6xxx (I am genuinely curious)
709 2011-06-16 05:09:39 <Namegduf> phantomcircuit: I think you're not supposed to make *every* page on your site inaccessible directly
710 2011-06-16 05:09:42 <Namegduf> Just ones which perform an action by being visited
711 2011-06-16 05:09:45 <phantomcircuit> Namegduf, you mean like pages with crazy ass urls?
712 2011-06-16 05:09:47 <Namegduf> No, like pages which modify state by being visited
713 2011-06-16 05:09:48 <phantomcircuit> ok then this counts
714 2011-06-16 05:09:50 <Diablo-D3> mrb_: I already did.
715 2011-06-16 05:10:27 <Namegduf> Prior to them bookmarking things like a moron
716 2011-06-16 05:10:40 <mrb_> I doubt it.
717 2011-06-16 05:10:49 <mrb_> do you have 69xx hardware?
718 2011-06-16 05:10:53 <phantomcircuit> the problem is that the page has to have get params
719 2011-06-16 05:12:51 <Diablo-D3> Namegduf: it gets worse
720 2011-06-16 05:12:57 <phantomcircuit> Namegduf, yeah not my fault blame the openid specification
721 2011-06-16 05:15:15 <lfm> http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/PID-MX32025%28ME%29.aspx
722 2011-06-16 05:15:58 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, it's 50% googles fault actually
723 2011-06-16 05:16:07 <phantomcircuit> the openid they return is based on the referring url
724 2011-06-16 05:16:10 <Diablo-D3> phantomcircuit: not at all, for example, DiabloPool sends redirects for "wrong" urls.
725 2011-06-16 05:16:34 <Diablo-D3> you CANNOT type in the url the wrong way
726 2011-06-16 05:16:40 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, yeah i could do that
727 2011-06-16 05:16:41 <mrb_> so all your users are self-centered guys financially benefitting from your work... what's your addr? I'll send you 12 BTC so you can get yourself a 6950
728 2011-06-16 05:16:42 <Namegduf> Post news item, offer to assist
729 2011-06-16 05:16:48 <phantomcircuit> and i cant merge them because google uses an hmac and not an identifiable string
730 2011-06-16 05:16:58 <Namegduf> You can't fix a problem without breaking a few accounts
731 2011-06-16 05:17:00 <Diablo-D3> phantomcircuit: _any url that depends on capitlization is wrong_
732 2011-06-16 05:17:04 <Diablo-D3> so yes.
733 2011-06-16 05:17:13 <Diablo-D3> just because a spec says you can doesnt mean you should
734 2011-06-16 05:17:13 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, lol what all urls depend on capitalization it's in the standard
735 2011-06-16 05:17:14 <Diablo-D3> yes, and google fails at the internet.
736 2011-06-16 05:17:14 <gjs278> well
737 2011-06-16 05:17:14 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, http://www.google.com/tranSLate
738 2011-06-16 05:17:15 <Diablo-D3> phantomcircuit: then lock them out.
739 2011-06-16 05:17:15 <EPiSKiNG-> Diablo-D3: Apparently it was a TOR hacker
740 2011-06-16 05:17:15 <gjs278> mod_spelng
741 2011-06-16 05:17:15 <phantomcircuit> again
742 2011-06-16 05:17:16 <Diablo-D3> EPiSKiNG-: who did what now?
743 2011-06-16 05:17:16 <gjs278> lol
744 2011-06-16 05:17:17 <lfm> dns ignores case but the rest of the url is often case sensitive
745 2011-06-16 05:17:19 <Diablo-D3> EPiSKiNG-: oh that. yes
746 2011-06-16 05:17:19 <EPiSKiNG-> my 100 BTC being stolen from Mt.Gox
747 2011-06-16 05:17:19 <ersi> Hah
748 2011-06-16 05:17:19 <phantomcircuit> lol just lock people out of their accounts
749 2011-06-16 05:17:20 <Diablo-D3> goddamnit,.
750 2011-06-16 05:17:20 <EPiSKiNG-> i don't know what tor is
751 2011-06-16 05:17:25 <Diablo-D3> which then connects to a different tor node.
752 2011-06-16 05:17:37 <phantomcircuit> lol what's the point
753 2011-06-16 05:17:42 <Diablo-D3> yes, you heard me right, the foo.onion is just going to point to ANOTHER FOO.ONION
754 2011-06-16 05:17:48 <phantomcircuit> rofl
755 2011-06-16 05:17:50 <phantomcircuit> yo dawg....
756 2011-06-16 05:17:53 <wumpus> onions within onions
757 2011-06-16 05:18:07 <Diablo-D3> and then
758 2011-06-16 05:18:14 <Diablo-D3> its going to allow bitcoins only.
759 2011-06-16 05:18:20 <wumpus> maybe matroshka exchange would be a better name
760 2011-06-16 05:18:21 <Diablo-D3> you can exchange it for bitcoins.
761 2011-06-16 05:18:33 <phantomcircuit> rofl
762 2011-06-16 05:18:40 <Diablo-D3> actually, I probably could just do bitcoins for shares in my gold reserves.
763 2011-06-16 05:18:46 <wumpus> so I can finally exchange my bitcoins for... bitcoins, wow
764 2011-06-16 05:18:57 <wumpus> can't wait to make an account
765 2011-06-16 05:19:01 <Netsniper> that definately fills a need
766 2011-06-16 05:19:01 <phantomcircuit> damn it
767 2011-06-16 05:19:06 <stuhood> that's called a laundry =P
768 2011-06-16 05:19:12 <phantomcircuit> genjix told me to be awake now
769 2011-06-16 05:19:16 <phantomcircuit> and he's probably still asleep
770 2011-06-16 05:19:19 <phantomcircuit> fucking hell
771 2011-06-16 05:19:23 <phantomcircuit> i need coffee
772 2011-06-16 05:19:43 <Diablo-D3> hrm
773 2011-06-16 05:19:45 <Diablo-D3> actually you know
774 2011-06-16 05:19:56 <wumpus> so when people ask "why are bitcoins useful, what can you do with them?" you can answer "swap them for bitcoins"
775 2011-06-16 05:20:03 <Diablo-D3> how hard is it to accept foreign currencies?
776 2011-06-16 05:20:37 <wumpus> depends on what payment system you use to accept them
777 2011-06-16 05:20:53 <wumpus> cash over mail? :P
778 2011-06-16 05:21:00 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, where do you live?
779 2011-06-16 05:22:21 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, it's fairly difficult in the us
780 2011-06-16 05:22:29 <phantomcircuit> also
781 2011-06-16 05:22:33 <phantomcircuit> how do i have ops in #bitcoin
782 2011-06-16 05:22:55 <gjs278> kick the entire channel
783 2011-06-16 05:23:10 <gjs278> do a takeover
784 2011-06-16 05:23:10 <phantomcircuit> i was tempted to
785 2011-06-16 05:23:15 <gjs278> you now control the voice of bitcoins
786 2011-06-16 05:23:18 <wumpus> don't be childish
787 2011-06-16 05:23:29 <gjs278> wumpus men have folded for less power than that
788 2011-06-16 05:23:45 <phantomcircuit> in most channels i would have
789 2011-06-16 05:23:56 <phantomcircuit> in fact i have a hilarious old script
790 2011-06-16 05:23:59 <phantomcircuit> but no
791 2011-06-16 05:24:33 <wumpus> you see it on kiddy networks all the time, always regarded freenode too adult for that
792 2011-06-16 05:24:53 <jgarzik> mrb_: 0.3.23 release was announced on forum and bitcoin-development list
793 2011-06-16 05:24:54 <wumpus> maybe you should join irc.anonops :P
794 2011-06-16 05:25:04 <jgarzik> mrb_: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=16553.0
795 2011-06-16 05:25:11 <mrb_> jgarzik: k
796 2011-06-16 05:25:17 <jgarzik> mrb_: https://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=BANLkTim1FP5t%3D4erKYeomB011WPo4xshow%40mail.gmail.com&forum_name=bitcoin-development
797 2011-06-16 05:25:23 <phantomcircuit> wumpus, i actually did that on #anonops
798 2011-06-16 05:25:28 <phantomcircuit> wumpus, it's why i have the script
799 2011-06-16 05:25:43 <mrb_> I was expecting to find the announcment in the Development board, not Discussion
800 2011-06-16 05:25:51 <phantomcircuit> it's a thing of beauty
801 2011-06-16 05:25:55 <wumpus> we need an announcement section
802 2011-06-16 05:25:58 <wumpus> everything in discussion goes away too fast
803 2011-06-16 05:26:05 <phantomcircuit> multiple connections each changing username and handing off oper constantly
804 2011-06-16 05:26:08 <mrb_> ...and I need to subscribe to this ML
805 2011-06-16 05:26:13 <phantomcircuit> shit was hilarious
806 2011-06-16 05:26:17 <Diablo-D3> hrm
807 2011-06-16 05:26:20 <Diablo-D3> I wonder how hard it is to accept fake currencies
808 2011-06-16 05:26:29 <wumpus> phantomcircuit: lol