1 2011-07-21 00:04:09 <phantomcircuit> lol i forgot about this gem
  2 2011-07-21 00:04:31 <phantomcircuit> transaction output uses uint64 but everything else uses varuint
  3 2011-07-21 00:04:34 <phantomcircuit> lol
  4 2011-07-21 00:23:08 <nameless> |woah
  5 2011-07-21 00:23:11 <nameless> |weird
  6 2011-07-21 00:23:42 <nameless> |The nameless that has my normal nick registered came in here
  7 2011-07-21 02:07:52 <Incitatus> hey tcatm
  8 2011-07-21 02:21:30 <SgtSpike> What is the command to send someone a private message?  And is it logged?
  9 2011-07-21 02:22:03 <cjdelisle> /msg and yes, it's the internet. *everything* is logged.
 10 2011-07-21 02:22:30 <SgtSpike> So it'll show up here:  http://bit.ly/iPFi3X  ?
 11 2011-07-21 02:23:22 <cjdelisle> No. I just mean it's logged by freenode and half a dozen governments and ISPs
 12 2011-07-21 02:23:44 <SgtSpike> Oh, that's fine.  I just don't want the general public to see.  So it's /msg username message?
 13 2011-07-21 02:23:52 <cjdelisle> /nod
 14 2011-07-21 02:23:56 <SgtSpike> Thanks much
 15 2011-07-21 02:23:59 <SgtSpike> I rarely use IRC
 16 2011-07-21 02:24:10 <forrestv`> hm, block validation needs to get threaded
 17 2011-07-21 02:24:11 <cjdelisle> careful, it's considered rude to pm without permission
 18 2011-07-21 02:24:23 <cjdelisle> forrestv`: indeed
 19 2011-07-21 02:24:23 <SgtSpike> How does one receive permission?
 20 2011-07-21 02:24:30 <SgtSpike> Ask publicly first?
 21 2011-07-21 02:24:37 <cjdelisle> "Hey SgtSpike, can I pm you?"
 22 2011-07-21 02:24:52 <SgtSpike> Lol, ok
 23 2011-07-21 02:25:02 <SgtSpike> MagicalTux, can I PM you?
 24 2011-07-21 02:26:50 <intx> my client is showing "blocks" : 0, -- is this normal? how long does it typically take for this to change?
 25 2011-07-21 02:26:58 <intx> i have 9 active connections
 26 2011-07-21 02:27:23 <intx> been running it about 2 hours
 27 2011-07-21 02:31:29 <SgtSpike> That's not normal with 9 connections.  It should be downloading like mad.  I have no suggestions to fix it though.
 28 2011-07-21 02:31:59 <doublec> intx: what version is your client?
 29 2011-07-21 02:40:29 <SgtSpike> Is it rude to ask multiple times if you can PM someone?  Lol... not sure what to do since MT didn't respond.
 30 2011-07-21 02:43:30 <doublec> he might be asleep
 31 2011-07-21 02:45:50 <SgtSpike> He's in Japan right?
 32 2011-07-21 02:45:55 <SgtSpike> Unless he sleeps during the day...
 33 2011-07-21 02:50:09 <Joric> python is awesome
 34 2011-07-21 02:50:20 <Joric> official sources,  lib/binhex.py: raise Error, 'Close at the wrong time' and after a line raise Error "Incorrect resource-datasize, diff=%r"
 35 2011-07-21 02:50:41 <Joric> they're use ' and " randomly
 36 2011-07-21 02:50:51 <Joric> *using
 37 2011-07-21 02:54:57 <SgtSpike> Python is the opposite of awesome.
 38 2011-07-21 02:57:26 <MagicalTux> SgtSpike: yes
 39 2011-07-21 02:57:50 <IO-> google sure seems to love python though
 40 2011-07-21 02:58:01 <IO-> i miss ;'s though
 41 2011-07-21 02:58:14 <IO-> and using tabs instead of things like { } still bug me
 42 2011-07-21 03:04:41 <bitcoinN00b> hey guys
 43 2011-07-21 03:05:09 <bitcoinN00b> just had a few dev related questions, and trying to get my head around bitcoin at the same time
 44 2011-07-21 03:05:13 <bitcoinN00b> anyone up?
 45 2011-07-21 03:05:40 <sacarlson> has anyone looked at this import/export transaction method ?  it sounds good https://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=28278.msg372731#msg372731
 46 2011-07-21 03:07:25 <sacarlson> without any negitives I plan to incorporate it into MultiCoin for further evaluation
 47 2011-07-21 03:14:36 <sacarlson> I just read that http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=30646.0 article and I would like to add one more thing that is needed is some standard method for adding plugin's ,  I'm not sure I see it in this model but I could have just missed it
 48 2011-07-21 03:14:47 <bitcoinN00b> is there a PHP class for bitcoins, i want to work on a simple trade website.
 49 2011-07-21 03:15:08 <sacarlson> bitcoinN00b: yes
 50 2011-07-21 03:17:00 <bitcoinN00b> so the class can allow for the site to essential have its Bitcoin address
 51 2011-07-21 03:17:30 <bitcoinN00b> so sellers can upload coints..
 52 2011-07-21 03:20:10 <sacarlson> bitcoinN00b: the class is setup so that not only your site but all it's members have there own addresses
 53 2011-07-21 03:20:50 <bitcoinN00b> so they all have virtual wallets?
 54 2011-07-21 03:20:50 <sacarlson> bitcoinN00b: so that you can distinguish who sent you the money or coins
 55 2011-07-21 03:21:55 <sacarlson> bitcoinN00b: in a way yes virtual wallets,  but most just flush the temp address over time and keep track of accounts in mysql
 56 2011-07-21 03:24:55 <bitcoinN00b> so would each member have their own address and wallet? or a shared wallet with temp addresses?
 57 2011-07-21 03:28:11 <sacarlson> bitcoinN00b: they are all in the same walet just different accounts in the walet
 58 2011-07-21 03:29:44 <sacarlson> bitcoinN00b: sendfrom <fromaccount> <tobitcoinaddress> <amount> [minconf=1] [comment] [comment-to]
 59 2011-07-21 03:30:32 <sacarlson> bitcoinN00b: getaccountaddress <account>
 60 2011-07-21 04:15:42 <TuxBlackEdo> Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even. go want to do look more like?
 61 2011-07-21 04:19:07 <vragnaroda> TuxBlackEdo: wut
 62 2011-07-21 05:14:55 <Zagitta> ;;nc;stats
 63 2011-07-21 05:14:56 <gribble> Error: "nc;stats" is not a valid command.
 64 2011-07-21 05:15:15 <Zagitta> ;;bc,stats
 65 2011-07-21 05:15:17 <gribble> Current Blocks: 137310 | Current Difficulty: 1690906.2047244 | Next Difficulty At Block: 139103 | Next Difficulty In: 1793 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 1 hour, 22 minutes, and 13 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1755105.87442034
 66 2011-07-21 05:15:23 <gribble> Error: "nc,stats" is not a valid command.
 67 2011-07-21 05:15:23 <Zagitta> ;;nc,stats
 68 2011-07-21 05:15:39 <Zagitta> i'd thought it supported namecoin too? :3
 69 2011-07-21 05:23:44 <Diablo-D3> I just had a scay idea
 70 2011-07-21 05:23:51 <Diablo-D3> you know node.js, right?
 71 2011-07-21 05:23:59 <Diablo-D3> this could be done with bash.
 72 2011-07-21 05:26:19 <Joric> so node.js or bash?
 73 2011-07-21 05:27:12 <Diablo-D3> Joric: well
 74 2011-07-21 05:27:18 <Diablo-D3> someone made a RoR-alike for bash
 75 2011-07-21 05:27:51 <Diablo-D3> uses netcat for unholy action
 76 2011-07-21 05:28:11 <Joric> btw check out the brand new site that i'm totally not logging http://bitcointools.appspot.com
 77 2011-07-21 05:47:49 <zamgo_> http://bitcointools.appspot.com/?str=%3CJoric%3E+btw+check+out+the+brand+new+site+that+i%27m+totally+not+logging+http%3A%2F%2Fbitcointools.appspot.com&rounds=1
 78 2011-07-21 05:48:09 <zamgo_> nice
 79 2011-07-21 05:48:43 <zamgo_> add multiple addressversions to get testnet and namecoin, etc addresses, and nicer still
 80 2011-07-21 05:51:07 <sacarlson> zamgo_: so what does that do create a non random keys
 81 2011-07-21 05:51:23 <sacarlson> I see he left anyone else?
 82 2011-07-21 05:57:12 <abishai> anyone has a log of the mtGox ticker for the past month or so?
 83 2011-07-21 05:58:18 <CIA-103> DiabloMiner: Ang Iong Chun master * r59b584a / src/main/java/com/diablominer/DiabloMiner/DiabloMiner.java : Supports expire=... for X-Roll-NTime - https://github.com/Diablo-D3/DiabloMiner/commit/59b584af1c92147e42edd962b7003c00f3103ae9 https://github.com/Diablo-D3/DiabloMiner/commit/59b584af1c92147e42edd962b7003c00f3103ae9
 84 2011-07-21 06:05:09 <CIA-103> DiabloMiner: Patrick McFarland master * r7dc221e / src/main/java/com/diablominer/DiabloMiner/DiabloMiner.java : Fix formatting, change debug message - https://github.com/Diablo-D3/DiabloMiner/commit/7dc221e9513fbb9c78873ce3b89739b4ebf88158 https://github.com/Diablo-D3/DiabloMiner/commit/7dc221e9513fbb9c78873ce3b89739b4ebf88158
 85 2011-07-21 06:50:21 <diki> lol @ McFarland
 86 2011-07-21 06:50:36 <diki> he is from a far land, eh? trolololo
 87 2011-07-21 07:16:57 <ThomasV> I there. my kernel says "TCP: Treason uncloaked! Peer 79.221.236.188:49967/8333 shrinks window 2934930340:2934943408. Repaired."
 88 2011-07-21 07:17:42 <ThomasV> is that some kind of rogue node ?
 89 2011-07-21 07:18:32 <abishai> treason..that cant be good, those slimy traitors are everywhere!
 90 2011-07-21 07:18:37 <cjdelisle> Probably a buggy tcp stack.
 91 2011-07-21 07:18:51 <cjdelisle> buggy computer? glitch (at the other end)
 92 2011-07-21 07:19:29 <cjdelisle> TCP is kernel code and when your kernel reports treason it means the other end did something that TCP is never ever supposed to be doing.
 93 2011-07-21 07:19:41 <cjdelisle> So it's at the operating system level.
 94 2011-07-21 07:20:45 <ThomasV> I was asking this question in the context of bitcoin ; mind the port number
 95 2011-07-21 07:21:36 <cjdelisle> Yea but it is *impossible* for bitcoin to make TCP do that. It's a bug in kernel code.
 96 2011-07-21 07:57:48 <prof7bit> maybe a kernel bug: http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Kernel/2006-03/msg03750.html
 97 2011-07-21 09:17:24 <prof7bit> what is the irc bootstrapping server and channel? I can't find it in the bitcoin protocol specification
 98 2011-07-21 09:17:37 <prof7bit> s/what/whats its name/
 99 2011-07-21 09:17:46 <prof7bit> and port
100 2011-07-21 09:18:32 <BlueMatt> irc.lfnet.org
101 2011-07-21 09:18:44 <BlueMatt> #bitcoin00-#bitcoin99
102 2011-07-21 09:18:57 <cjdelisle> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/irc.cpp#L271
103 2011-07-21 09:18:57 <prof7bit> ok, thanks
104 2011-07-21 09:19:28 <abishai> anyone set up a logging bot for mtgox ticker?
105 2011-07-21 09:19:57 <IO-> are there any pools that SMS txt you when a rig is idle
106 2011-07-21 09:19:58 <IO-> ?
107 2011-07-21 09:20:00 <prof7bit> will the irc bootstrapping mathod be the final solution or will this be replaced with some other method some day?
108 2011-07-21 09:20:19 <BlueMatt> its already being deprecated for replacement by dnsseeds
109 2011-07-21 09:20:20 <WakiMiko_> there already is dns bootstrapping
110 2011-07-21 09:20:47 <cjdelisle> dns? Is it documented somewhere?
111 2011-07-21 09:21:20 <BlueMatt> its dns, what documentation do you need?
112 2011-07-21 09:21:30 <BlueMatt> it looksup addresses and tries those addresses?
113 2011-07-21 09:21:33 <WakiMiko_> &dns dnsseed.bluematt.me
114 2011-07-21 09:21:34 <gribble> 70.94.116.219
115 2011-07-21 09:21:36 <gribble> 70.94.116.219
116 2011-07-21 09:21:36 <WakiMiko_> &dns dnsseed.bluematt.me
117 2011-07-21 09:22:27 <prof7bit> bluematt.me  <-- who controls this domain and the name servers?
118 2011-07-21 09:22:33 <WakiMiko_> guess
119 2011-07-21 09:22:35 <BlueMatt> that one is me
120 2011-07-21 09:22:35 <cjdelisle> I see so you'll just have a hardcoded pool of "usually stable" nodes which will introduce everyone else to eachother?
121 2011-07-21 09:22:39 <xelister> prof7bit: take a wild quess
122 2011-07-21 09:22:55 <prof7bit> will this be the final solution?
123 2011-07-21 09:23:12 <BlueMatt> the other two are jgarzik and vladimir
124 2011-07-21 09:23:22 <BlueMatt> no one has a better one yet, so...yes
125 2011-07-21 09:23:39 <IO-> is mine stable enough to be included?
126 2011-07-21 09:23:45 <prof7bit> so you 3 are the new bosses of bitcoin
127 2011-07-21 09:23:54 <prof7bit> the owners
128 2011-07-21 09:24:15 <BlueMatt> its just bootstrapping, once youve opened bitocin once, it uses its addr.dat
129 2011-07-21 09:24:20 <BlueMatt> and nodes from other peers
130 2011-07-21 09:24:32 <BlueMatt> IO-: yea, ive been meaning to ask
131 2011-07-21 09:24:32 <WakiMiko_> you can always disable dns seeding if you dont like it...
132 2011-07-21 09:25:02 <BlueMatt> IO-: whats the output of the last couple of lines of count-nodes.php
133 2011-07-21 09:25:26 <IO-> In DNS: 2687
134 2011-07-21 09:25:45 <BlueMatt> whats the 32400, 32300, 32200?
135 2011-07-21 09:25:56 <WakiMiko_> version numbers
136 2011-07-21 09:25:58 <IO-> 32200   167
137 2011-07-21 09:26:05 <BlueMatt> meh, looks good to me
138 2011-07-21 09:26:12 <IO-> awesome
139 2011-07-21 09:26:14 <cjdelisle> This kind of thing is also :(   "CAddress addrIP("checkip.dyndns.org", 80, true);"
140 2011-07-21 09:26:15 <WakiMiko_> still a lot of people on 23 apparently
141 2011-07-21 09:26:22 <BlueMatt> yea, sadly
142 2011-07-21 09:26:33 <IO-> 32100   340
143 2011-07-21 09:26:39 <BlueMatt> well, the real problem (I think) is that the 24 nodes are getting their connection slots full really fast
144 2011-07-21 09:30:26 <prof7bit> is there also one for the testnet?
145 2011-07-21 09:30:40 <BlueMatt> no
146 2011-07-21 09:30:50 <prof7bit> is it planned?
147 2011-07-21 09:31:28 <BlueMatt> Well Im not gonna do it, but if someone wants to run one...
148 2011-07-21 09:31:36 <prof7bit> for simplicity i would like to not implement an irc client at all (now) if i could simply use dns
149 2011-07-21 09:31:45 <BlueMatt> shouldnt be /too/ hard to spin one up
150 2011-07-21 09:31:57 <BlueMatt> well you can if you dont want to use testnet
151 2011-07-21 09:32:55 <prof7bit> when i reach the point of making my first transaction i would rather test this on testnet first.
152 2011-07-21 09:34:06 <prof7bit> but this will still take some time, so i hope there will be a dns somewhere until then
153 2011-07-21 09:34:09 <BlueMatt> well you can always grab a list of good seeds for testnet and use dns for realnet
154 2011-07-21 09:35:14 <prof7bit> another problem: what is if clients don't want / can't use port 8333, how would they announce that with the dns method?
155 2011-07-21 09:35:28 <BlueMatt> they dont, the dnsseed takes care of that
156 2011-07-21 09:36:15 <prof7bit> they don't? don't use other ports?
157 2011-07-21 09:36:31 <BlueMatt> you mean outoing port 8333?
158 2011-07-21 09:36:38 <BlueMatt> well no, then you have to figure it out yourself
159 2011-07-21 09:36:55 <prof7bit> if in a country 8333 is blocked for example
160 2011-07-21 09:36:57 <BlueMatt> considering the number of nodes on non-8333 ports is like...1 I dont think you have much of a chance anyway
161 2011-07-21 09:37:16 <WakiMiko_> do you only add nodes to the dns seed list that are listening on 8333?
162 2011-07-21 09:37:17 <prof7bit> and people decide to run nodes on arbitrary other ports
163 2011-07-21 09:37:27 <BlueMatt> WakiMiko_: thats the idea
164 2011-07-21 09:37:51 <WakiMiko_> prof7bit: once you are connected to a view nodes, that should sort itself out
165 2011-07-21 09:37:57 <WakiMiko_> s/view/few
166 2011-07-21 09:38:39 <prof7bit> yes, but seeding only gives me 8333 clients. and if i cannot connect any of them then i am screwed.
167 2011-07-21 09:39:54 <WakiMiko_> hmm thats a valid point
168 2011-07-21 09:40:36 <WakiMiko_> there has been a suggestion to use bittorrent trackers as seeds, i thought that was a good idea
169 2011-07-21 09:40:37 <gjs278> ;;bc,stats
170 2011-07-21 09:40:39 <gribble> Current Blocks: 137333 | Current Difficulty: 1690906.2047244 | Next Difficulty At Block: 139103 | Next Difficulty In: 1770 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 3 hours, 4 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1722023.60343936
171 2011-07-21 09:40:41 <xelister> prof7bit: #btcfn will be a solution if e.g. your ISP overall blocks 8333
172 2011-07-21 09:40:52 <xelister> tor is also a solution
173 2011-07-21 09:40:54 <WakiMiko_> dont think any of the devs liked it though
174 2011-07-21 09:41:09 <BlueMatt> WakiMiko_: I really dont understand why that is a good idea...
175 2011-07-21 09:41:45 <WakiMiko_> because trackers are an existing infrastructure and they keep track of ips (+port) for a living
176 2011-07-21 09:41:51 <cjdelisle> IMO the thing to use is bittorrent DHT, if you can find a bittorrent node you can find the btc network and frankly, you can't walk out your door without running into a bittorrent node.
177 2011-07-21 09:42:26 <BlueMatt> then you have to bootstrap the dht
178 2011-07-21 09:42:37 <BlueMatt> now we have to bootstrap our bootstrap mechanism
179 2011-07-21 09:42:41 <xelister> #btcfn project will distribute bitcoin chain to totally censored ISP/countries. also we could distribute tracker for normal nodes too
180 2011-07-21 09:43:11 <cjdelisle> All you need is the ip addr of a bittorrent node and there are so many that it's hard not to find one.
181 2011-07-21 09:43:54 <WakiMiko_> http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=84.msg119872#msg119872 here is the BT suggestion if anyone cares
182 2011-07-21 09:43:56 <BlueMatt> but why bother?
183 2011-07-21 09:44:11 <BlueMatt> I mean seriously, neither of those offer any additional advantage...
184 2011-07-21 09:44:24 <cjdelisle> Advantage over what?
185 2011-07-21 09:44:44 <BlueMatt> well, dnsseed certainly has  a major advantage over dht
186 2011-07-21 09:44:49 <BlueMatt> first the bootstrapping problem
187 2011-07-21 09:45:01 <BlueMatt> second dnsseed can check that your ip is up and accepting connections and on the latest version
188 2011-07-21 09:45:05 <BlueMatt> a dht cant do that
189 2011-07-21 09:45:07 <BlueMatt> well not really
190 2011-07-21 09:45:17 <WakiMiko_> the advantage of bittorrent trackers is that a) nodes requestiong ips from the tracker would automatically get added to it b) the tracker also keeps track of the port, not only the ip
191 2011-07-21 09:45:46 <cjdelisle> *shrug* it's your project but laying the whole thing on 3 dns entries kinds sounds like putting your balls on Verisign's chopping block.
192 2011-07-21 09:45:53 <BlueMatt> meh port isnt much of a problem...
193 2011-07-21 09:46:06 <BlueMatt> cjdelisle: well it is always nice to get more dnsseeds
194 2011-07-21 09:46:11 <BlueMatt> I never said 3 was enough
195 2011-07-21 09:46:24 <BlueMatt> plus IO- has one that needs added for 0.4
196 2011-07-21 09:46:30 <cjdelisle> How about 5 million? That's the size of the bittorrent DHT.
197 2011-07-21 09:46:46 <BlueMatt> and how does one go about checking the stuff in the dht is valid?
198 2011-07-21 09:47:27 <BlueMatt> IO-: whats the hostname, Ill pull request it and get it in asap
199 2011-07-21 09:47:59 <IO-> msg'ed
200 2011-07-21 09:48:03 <cjdelisle> So if you get introduced to a bad node you can't recover?
201 2011-07-21 09:48:31 <BlueMatt> of course you can
202 2011-07-21 09:48:38 <BlueMatt> get a good node and itl pass more addresses to you
203 2011-07-21 09:48:51 <cjdelisle> Bittorrent DHT allows you to get lots of ip addr/port pairs and you can try them all.
204 2011-07-21 09:49:17 <BlueMatt> so does irc
205 2011-07-21 09:49:28 <cjdelisle> your project...
206 2011-07-21 09:51:48 <IO-> how would the BT method only give you certain client versions?
207 2011-07-21 09:52:11 <BlueMatt> or give you only valid nodes?
208 2011-07-21 09:52:23 <BlueMatt> I just have yet to see a convincing argument
209 2011-07-21 09:52:30 <Joric> the only advantage there if you don't like tcp there are udp trackers
210 2011-07-21 09:52:40 <BlueMatt> dns is udp
211 2011-07-21 09:53:17 <IO-> and no one firewalls outbound udp DNS requests
212 2011-07-21 09:53:39 <IO-> i wouldn't be surprised if BT where blocked
213 2011-07-21 09:53:41 <BlueMatt> well a lot of isps will forward them to their resolvers automatically...
214 2011-07-21 09:54:12 <BlueMatt> but seriously, its not a bitcoin problem, if you are blocked from the internet, tor and btcfn are there for a reason
215 2011-07-21 09:54:17 <Joric> i've had a conversation with the opentracker hoster :)
216 2011-07-21 09:54:24 <Joric> "opentracker is free. but please don't abuse other people's servers. if I found you doing that I would silently begin inserting false addresses and removing the ones you put there"
217 2011-07-21 09:54:45 <IO-> ouch
218 2011-07-21 09:54:47 <WakiMiko_> opentracker is software
219 2011-07-21 09:54:52 <WakiMiko_> not a tracker site
220 2011-07-21 09:55:02 <WakiMiko_> do you mean openbittorrent?
221 2011-07-21 09:55:16 <Joric> yes, openbittorrent
222 2011-07-21 09:55:34 <xelister> IO-: well for blocking we mostly have #btcfn (though it will take still ~month)
223 2011-07-21 09:55:53 <xelister> well it is most anti-censoring full blown technology =)
224 2011-07-21 09:56:32 <WakiMiko_> also it would be VALID addresses, just not for bittorrent :)
225 2011-07-21 09:56:49 <WakiMiko_> all the tracker knows is a hash anyway
226 2011-07-21 09:57:19 <IO-> cool
227 2011-07-21 09:59:24 <Joric> i ended with the gamesurf irc network, totally legal
228 2011-07-21 09:59:37 <IO-> btcfn is an awesome project
229 2011-07-21 10:07:29 <Joric> bitcoin hash reverser http://bitcointools.appspot.com
230 2011-07-21 10:07:48 <Joric> made it after bluematt's puzzle
231 2011-07-21 10:10:07 <Eliel> Joric: that's a neat idea :)
232 2011-07-21 10:10:17 <Eliel> can make passphrase accounts easily :)
233 2011-07-21 10:12:00 <Eliel> 6+ words in a passphrase and even with the knowledge that it's based on a passphrase, it'd probably be easier to just brute force search the keyspace for the private key :P
234 2011-07-21 10:25:13 <BlueMatt> Joric: Ill use it when its in js and doesnt submit my private keys to your server ;)
235 2011-07-21 10:30:52 <Eliel> simple enough idea that you could even easily add that to main bitcoin client :)
236 2011-07-21 10:35:34 <prof7bit> is there some example code for how to performing the dns lookup so that i get a list of *all* dns answers?
237 2011-07-21 10:36:16 <BlueMatt> net.cpp look for dnsseed... and youll find the code
238 2011-07-21 10:36:17 <prof7bit> some libc api maybe (and a corresponding api for windpows)?
239 2011-07-21 10:40:24 <WakiMiko_> wouldn any dns library work?
240 2011-07-21 10:45:53 <BlueMatt> yep
241 2011-07-21 10:46:24 <b4epoche_> BlueMatt:  how's the osx stuff coming?
242 2011-07-21 10:46:41 <BlueMatt> b4epoche_: good, it compiled and worked just fine last night
243 2011-07-21 10:46:52 <b4epoche_> oh, awesome!
244 2011-07-21 10:47:57 <b4epoche_> now I can spend more time figuring out this convoluted MtGox API
245 2011-07-21 10:52:35 <prof7bit> does gethostbyname work the same way in windows?
246 2011-07-21 10:56:23 <WakiMiko_> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms738524%28v=vs.85%29.aspx i guess
247 2011-07-21 11:21:27 <Joric> someone explain the outpoint, may i use zero outpoint in transaction?
248 2011-07-21 11:22:22 <lianj> Joric: you want to /dev/null some coins?
249 2011-07-21 11:24:18 <WakiMiko_> input - output = fees
250 2011-07-21 11:24:59 <Joric> "previous_output - outpoint" previous output from what? previous transaction from that address?
251 2011-07-21 11:25:33 <lianj> WakiMiko_: ah, true :D
252 2011-07-21 11:30:23 <LameArse> anyone seen nefario?
253 2011-07-21 11:30:36 <BlueMatt> ;;seen nefario
254 2011-07-21 11:30:36 <gribble> nefario was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 2 weeks, 0 days, 11 hours, and 32 seconds ago: <nefario> thanks for your time
255 2011-07-21 11:32:20 <LameArse> 2 weeks ago?
256 2011-07-21 11:32:25 <LameArse> thats odd
257 2011-07-21 11:34:14 <gribble> nefario was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 1 week, 1 day, 23 hours, 20 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: *** nefario <nefario!~nefario@59.53.65.157> has parted #bitcoin-dev
258 2011-07-21 11:34:14 <WakiMiko_> ;;any nefario
259 2011-07-21 11:36:03 <WakiMiko_> "connections" : 255
260 2011-07-21 11:36:04 <WakiMiko_> damn
261 2011-07-21 11:42:42 <Zagitta> nice one WakiMiko
262 2011-07-21 11:44:49 <WakiMiko_> i wonder how many concurrent tcp connections it can handle. does linux set a default limit?
263 2011-07-21 11:50:39 <Zagitta> no idea
264 2011-07-21 11:51:29 <Zagitta> question is how you reached that many peers though... i've never seen above 80 neither at home nor on my AWS server
265 2011-07-21 11:53:04 <WakiMiko_> i dunno, i set the max connections to 255, and specified 3 addnodes (mtgox, slushs, gavins) in bitcoin.conf. took only like 1h for it to reach that number
266 2011-07-21 11:53:47 <Joric> a whole squad of feds
267 2011-07-21 11:53:59 <WakiMiko_> lol
268 2011-07-21 11:54:33 <phantomcircuit> anybody have random problems with bitcoin they want fixed?
269 2011-07-21 11:55:25 <Joric> my router doesn't work with your version of upnp
270 2011-07-21 11:55:38 <WakiMiko_> phantomcircuit: yeah, my balance is too low
271 2011-07-21 11:56:22 <phantomcircuit> WakiMiko_, i will pay you 0.1 BTC for a drawing of a cat
272 2011-07-21 11:57:06 <phantomcircuit> original work only!
273 2011-07-21 11:57:08 <Joric> had to replace all URLBase to ARLBase in libminiupnpc.a then it worked
274 2011-07-21 11:57:46 <upb> phantomcircuit: you'll merge stuff for btc ?:P
275 2011-07-21 11:58:01 <phantomcircuit> upb, i dont have merge powerz
276 2011-07-21 11:58:04 <phantomcircuit> which is silly
277 2011-07-21 11:58:45 <upb> ah i was wondering about sneaking in a few exploitable bugs and then selling it to zdi
278 2011-07-21 11:59:15 <Joric> for bitcoins?
279 2011-07-21 11:59:24 <redhatzero> maybe you can get some inspiration on how to get merge powerz -> http://xkcd.com/149/
280 2011-07-21 11:59:42 <upb> for CHF :P
281 2011-07-21 12:00:28 <redhatzero> :D nice
282 2011-07-21 12:00:51 <Zagitta> rofl
283 2011-07-21 12:01:36 <tcatm> phantomcircuit: can you fix the britcoin/intersango API and email me a list of all trades in the new format?
284 2011-07-21 12:02:03 <WakiMiko_> phantomcircuit: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6457172/cat.png my drawing skills suck
285 2011-07-21 12:02:11 <WakiMiko_> especially on a touchpad
286 2011-07-21 12:02:32 <WakiMiko_> poor cat only has 2 legs
287 2011-07-21 12:03:15 <Zagitta> WakiMiko_: for what it's worth, that's better than my hand drawings
288 2011-07-21 12:04:43 <WakiMiko_> 1Kb4MWnfLT1XnrxnRmEvAnYLzAGSRsbhuL :3
289 2011-07-21 12:05:09 <phantomcircuit> tcatm, i believe there isn't anything wrong with it right now
290 2011-07-21 12:05:22 <phantomcircuit> tcatm, oh you mean you want them with a txid?
291 2011-07-21 12:05:33 <Joric> i just drew some cats too http://www.thebestpictureontheinternet.com
292 2011-07-21 12:05:45 <tcatm> phantomcircuit: yes, a tid is required in ~30 days
293 2011-07-21 12:06:01 <phantomcircuit> k well we should have a completely new platform before then
294 2011-07-21 12:07:54 <upb> completely new platforms are the rage in bitcoin
295 2011-07-21 12:08:32 <upb> let me guess, youre also going to write your own ORM ?
296 2011-07-21 12:09:58 <Joric> rage in bitcoin http://ragecoins.appspot.com
297 2011-07-21 12:10:05 <phantomcircuit> upb, WHATS AN ORM?
298 2011-07-21 12:10:16 <upb> srs?
299 2011-07-21 12:10:21 <phantomcircuit> lol no
300 2011-07-21 12:10:37 <upb> you might be, trying to get out of it by looking like trolling
301 2011-07-21 12:10:46 <upb> (other window, google, define:ORM, writing own)
302 2011-07-21 12:10:54 <prof7bit> is this only me? Every time I browse sources on github my firefox takes 100% and it becomes almost unusable.
303 2011-07-21 12:11:05 <prof7bit> thsi is really no fun
304 2011-07-21 12:11:34 <phantomcircuit> yeah githubs js shit is annoying
305 2011-07-21 12:11:38 <phantomcircuit> almost as bad a /.
306 2011-07-21 12:13:46 <phantomcircuit> upb, but in all seriousness there isn't a good PHP ORM
307 2011-07-21 12:14:22 <nanotube> ah, php - there's your problem. :) </runaway>
308 2011-07-21 12:14:57 <phantomcircuit> yes
309 2011-07-21 12:19:38 <jrmithdobbs> hey someone tell me what currency is ???
310 2011-07-21 12:19:47 <cjdelisle> eur
311 2011-07-21 12:19:48 <cjdelisle> o
312 2011-07-21 12:22:00 <erus`> Joric: i am making a fruit machine in go :D
313 2011-07-21 12:22:07 <erus`> and javascript
314 2011-07-21 12:22:12 <BlueMatt> ...
315 2011-07-21 12:22:57 <phantomcircuit> a wat
316 2011-07-21 12:24:44 <Joric> erus`, go is pretty awesome, compiled into a native code
317 2011-07-21 12:24:44 <upb> phantomcircuit: have you tried propel?
318 2011-07-21 12:24:52 <upb> i remember it was pretty good
319 2011-07-21 12:25:12 <upb> definitely better than using none at all :)
320 2011-07-21 12:26:07 <Joric> i've tried to launch a few java miners on google servers, was getting share a day from each, go probably can do more :)
321 2011-07-21 12:27:01 <erus`> how much it cost you?
322 2011-07-21 12:27:17 <erus`> or was that within the allowance?
323 2011-07-21 12:27:28 <Joric> all withing a free quota
324 2011-07-21 12:27:45 <erus`> 1 share....
325 2011-07-21 12:27:58 <erus`> doesnt seem worth it :P
326 2011-07-21 12:29:10 <WakiMiko_> i never received my cat money :C
327 2011-07-21 12:29:47 <Joric> amazon charges $2.10 a hour for a server with two nvidia teslas :)
328 2011-07-21 12:32:20 <Zagitta> Joric: some guy already tried that and it came out with negative results
329 2011-07-21 12:33:04 <Joric> well, there are teslas
330 2011-07-21 12:38:52 <cjdelisle> gmaxwell: I looked at your determinent wallet idea once again, I really like it. I think it is provably as hard to break as ECDSA because the private key is never on the machine which generates the string of public keys.
331 2011-07-21 12:39:48 <cjdelisle> Furthermore, I think the proof can be simplified by changing b_secret to a public counter.
332 2011-07-21 12:41:22 <cjdelisle> You may feel safer using a PRNG but if we are to go about writing a proof, it should be written using a public counter since the unpredictability and secrecy if b_secret has nothing to do with the fact that the private key cannot be determined by manipulating the public key.
333 2011-07-21 12:41:55 <Zagitta> WakiMiko_: where can i find the three ip's you added?
334 2011-07-21 12:43:14 <WakiMiko_> Zagitta: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Fallback_Nodes
335 2011-07-21 12:43:31 <WakiMiko_> oh looks like that page recently had a major rewrite
336 2011-07-21 12:43:44 <WakiMiko_> and someone added me wtf
337 2011-07-21 12:45:22 <WakiMiko_> i dunno who added my node but that explains why i have so many incoming connections
338 2011-07-21 12:45:28 <Zagitta_> wtf @ random bsod
339 2011-07-21 12:46:59 <Zagitta_> WakiMiko_: mind repeating yourself? computer crashed randomly :3
340 2011-07-21 12:47:48 <WakiMiko_> < WakiMiko_> Zagitta: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Fallback_Nodes
341 2011-07-21 12:47:49 <WakiMiko_> < WakiMiko_> and someone added me wtf
342 2011-07-21 12:48:15 <Zagitta_> WakiMiko_: thanks
343 2011-07-21 12:54:07 <WakiMiko_> looks like someone got wikibot working again, but it removed a lot of valid nodes?
344 2011-07-21 13:05:55 <WakiMiko> just edited the fallback nodes wiki page, and readded all the notes that got (accidentially?) deleted
345 2011-07-21 13:06:13 <WakiMiko> argh edit conflict
346 2011-07-21 13:12:23 <WakiMiko> done. now.
347 2011-07-21 13:29:28 <erus`> argh edits
348 2011-07-21 13:29:35 <erus`> i hate those :P
349 2011-07-21 13:49:10 <sacarlson> I'm now working on this branch https://github.com/sacarlson/MultiCoin-exp  that now has Vince Durham merge mining merged with MultiCoin .  just to play around with it.  definitly a work in progress
350 2011-07-21 13:50:08 <nameless> hi
351 2011-07-21 13:52:20 <sacarlson> my first test at least some of the original functions are still working of send and recieve on weedsnet but haven't figured out how to setup a proto merge mined net yet
352 2011-07-21 13:53:56 <warpi> hello! does anyone know what difference it matters if a currency is "legal tender" or not. i really dont seem to get this
353 2011-07-21 13:54:15 <warpi> difference it makes*
354 2011-07-21 13:54:17 <luke-jr> warpi: legal tender = debtors have to accept it by law
355 2011-07-21 13:54:32 <warpi> luke-jr, but this is the part i dont understand
356 2011-07-21 13:54:33 <luke-jr> warpi: if you owe someone money, they *can't* say no to cash
357 2011-07-21 13:54:43 <warpi> when i borrow bitcoins from someone
358 2011-07-21 13:54:52 <BlueMatt> well you can, but if you sue, the court will make you pay in usd/etc
359 2011-07-21 13:55:37 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: dunno, if you refuse cash they might just say you declined payment and are at fault
360 2011-07-21 13:55:55 <BlueMatt> well maybe that too
361 2011-07-21 13:55:57 <luke-jr> I almost tested that once
362 2011-07-21 13:55:58 <warpi> if i borrow bitcoins from lets say a bank. of course it would say in the contact, that i would be able to repay the bitcoins.... correct?
363 2011-07-21 13:56:13 <cjdelisle> It's kind of a nonpoint since you can say you accept 1btc or 1 million usd
364 2011-07-21 13:56:13 <luke-jr> paid rent in cash, they claimed to not accept cash and sued us
365 2011-07-21 13:56:22 <luke-jr> of course, in that case, they still had our cash, so&
366 2011-07-21 13:56:27 <sacarlson> warpi: luke-jr: BlueMatt:  I never thought of that,  but I guess it's all part of how the contract was written that the parties accept as payment
367 2011-07-21 13:56:43 <warpi> sacarlson, yepp...
368 2011-07-21 13:56:54 <warpi> but always when you borrow money, you have a contact
369 2011-07-21 13:56:55 <warpi> so....
370 2011-07-21 13:57:04 <luke-jr> cjdelisle: it's a point mainly when the court is involved
371 2011-07-21 13:57:04 <warpi> i still dont get the idea with legal tender
372 2011-07-21 13:57:25 <luke-jr> ie, damages in a civil lawsuit will likely be given an exact $ figure
373 2011-07-21 13:58:02 <sacarlson> warpi: well even if the court is involved weather it be chickens or eggs or bitcoin makes no difference
374 2011-07-21 13:58:21 <warpi> sacarlson, thats my point. so....
375 2011-07-21 13:58:28 <warpi> who cares about legal tender?
376 2011-07-21 13:58:56 <sacarlson> warpi: well it may not be a legal tender but it could be considered a comodity
377 2011-07-21 13:59:00 <warpi> since this article is completely ruling bitcoins out because... its not legal tender
378 2011-07-21 13:59:13 <luke-jr> lol
379 2011-07-21 13:59:34 <luke-jr> warpi: also, taxes must be paid in legal tender
380 2011-07-21 13:59:40 <warpi> they are so fucked up... its like they think legal tender is what makes the money value or something... i dont get it
381 2011-07-21 13:59:41 <luke-jr> so legal tender *always* has *some* value
382 2011-07-21 13:59:57 <warpi> luke-jr, but... they can just increase of decrease the tax value so...
383 2011-07-21 14:00:00 <warpi> what value is it then?
384 2011-07-21 14:00:02 <luke-jr> well, if everyone has to accept it as payment, and everyone has to pay taxes in it&
385 2011-07-21 14:00:20 <luke-jr> warpi: the difference is that Bitcoins have *no* value at all
386 2011-07-21 14:00:28 <luke-jr> it's a flawed argument, but it is an argument
387 2011-07-21 14:00:36 <warpi> i dont get it
388 2011-07-21 14:00:41 <warpi> value = supply / demand
389 2011-07-21 14:00:46 <warpi> and it applies for usd aswell
390 2011-07-21 14:00:55 <luke-jr> but demand for legal tender is guaranteed
391 2011-07-21 14:00:57 <warpi> there is nothing else that creates value
392 2011-07-21 14:01:06 <luke-jr> demand for Bitcoin can disappear overnight
393 2011-07-21 14:01:06 <sacarlson> luke-jr: not there are legal tender that are not worth the paper they are printed on and then there other things that could be considered comodities like oil or bitcoins
394 2011-07-21 14:01:55 <warpi> luke-jr, if the demand of usd decreases, it dosent matter if it is legal tender... it will be less worth
395 2011-07-21 14:02:11 <warpi> the government will just increase taxes to make up for the loss of value
396 2011-07-21 14:02:15 <sacarlson> luke-jr: ya same with oil when we find fusion to be cheaper but today it's this value
397 2011-07-21 14:02:22 <luke-jr> warpi: yep
398 2011-07-21 14:02:34 <warpi> luke-jr,  so.. what is then the point of legal tender?
399 2011-07-21 14:02:46 <luke-jr> I already explained
400 2011-07-21 14:02:55 <warpi> yepp... but there is basicly no point then
401 2011-07-21 14:03:46 <sacarlson> warpi: legal tendar I guess are valueless entites that we have set aside to hold value
402 2011-07-21 14:03:47 <warpi> basicly, it has nothing to do with "legal tender" to do... what it has to do is,,, who is accepting the currency and who is not
403 2011-07-21 14:03:48 <gribble> Error: "," is not a valid command.
404 2011-07-21 14:04:08 <warpi> sacarlson, exactly
405 2011-07-21 14:04:54 <warpi> sorry for my shitty english... i have a fever :(
406 2011-07-21 14:05:47 <luke-jr> warpi: and everyone is accepting legal tender
407 2011-07-21 14:06:00 <sacarlson> were as I see bitcoin in this present market as more of a comodity
408 2011-07-21 14:07:52 <sacarlson> luke-jr: I'm not sure about everyone and every currency but... Thai Baht still buys beer and girls
409 2011-07-21 14:08:25 <sacarlson> and what more does a man need?
410 2011-07-21 14:09:29 <warpi> luke-jr, sacarlson. ok... so... people have to use the money... but still, they can set what price they want etc... so
411 2011-07-21 14:10:09 <sacarlson> warpi: there are other system of barter money has not always been needed
412 2011-07-21 14:11:18 <sacarlson> warpi: they just found it easier to find a central point of value in currency or central comodity
413 2011-07-21 14:11:19 <luke-jr> sacarlson: I make my own girls
414 2011-07-21 14:11:47 <sacarlson> luke-jr: those blow up kind?
415 2011-07-21 14:11:51 <luke-jr> no
416 2011-07-21 14:12:06 <luke-jr> the real kind
417 2011-07-21 14:12:23 <sacarlson> luke-jr: make them out of what?  wood?
418 2011-07-21 14:12:25 <b4epoche> Weird Science
419 2011-07-21 14:12:40 <luke-jr> sacarlson: sperm and egg
420 2011-07-21 14:12:59 <sacarlson> luke-jr: those are expesive to farm humans
421 2011-07-21 14:13:10 <luke-jr> nah
422 2011-07-21 14:13:20 <sacarlson> you have to feed them educated them, cloth them....
423 2011-07-21 14:13:27 <luke-jr> not expensive
424 2011-07-21 14:14:03 <sacarlson> I think you can google the cost of pruduction of a human as over 50k by the age of 20 years
425 2011-07-21 14:14:29 <luke-jr> that's pretty cheap
426 2011-07-21 14:14:32 <b4epoche> depends on the type of human you want to produce
427 2011-07-21 14:14:51 <luke-jr> considering the last 5-8 years of that is basically profitable
428 2011-07-21 14:14:56 <sacarlson> luke-jr and you call that inexpesive?
429 2011-07-21 14:15:02 <luke-jr> sacarlson: yes
430 2011-07-21 14:15:10 <luke-jr> 50k/20y isn't that much
431 2011-07-21 14:15:18 <luke-jr> that's 2.5k/y
432 2011-07-21 14:15:28 <luke-jr> 208/mo
433 2011-07-21 14:15:31 <sacarlson> luke-jr: were does the profits start after this 50k investment?
434 2011-07-21 14:15:51 <luke-jr> sacarlson: oh right, we were talking girls
435 2011-07-21 14:16:00 <sacarlson> cheaper to buy the on the market for less than 3K
436 2011-07-21 14:16:15 <luke-jr> sacarlson: still have to feed/etc after you adopt
437 2011-07-21 14:16:17 <b4epoche> and $50k probably means that kid will be fat and lazy and only able to have a career as a video game tester
438 2011-07-21 14:16:25 <luke-jr> and if they've been misraised, it's more work
439 2011-07-21 14:16:34 <b4epoche> $25k will probably get you a lean, hard worker
440 2011-07-21 14:16:37 <luke-jr> b4epoche: yeah, that's probably a high estimate
441 2011-07-21 14:17:07 <sacarlson> luke-jr: well you get them already at 17 at that price already feed just need to add close and education
442 2011-07-21 14:17:31 <luke-jr> sacarlson: yeah, but all the 17 year olds for sale are likely to be screwed up
443 2011-07-21 14:17:52 <sacarlson> luke-jr: well you have to be a careful shoper
444 2011-07-21 14:18:43 <sacarlson> luke-jr: and not pay full payment, progress payments to be sure of quality before you put more in
445 2011-07-21 14:19:11 <b4epoche> or just get a lease
446 2011-07-21 14:19:21 <sacarlson> standard biz practicees
447 2011-07-21 14:19:26 <b4epoche> or lease-to-own
448 2011-07-21 14:19:47 <sacarlson> b4epoche: yes I'm more into the long term lease program
449 2011-07-21 14:19:49 <luke-jr> sacarlson: the point is that any human raised right isn't for sale :P
450 2011-07-21 14:20:43 <sacarlson> b4epoche: ya we all sell ourself our our services
451 2011-07-21 14:49:51 <nameless> What is the BITCOIN_ADDRESS_VERSION set to for the testnet ?
452 2011-07-21 14:56:11 <nanotube> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Protocol_specification#Addresses
453 2011-07-21 14:56:13 <nanotube> nameless: ^
454 2011-07-21 14:56:57 <copumpkin> do btc addresses have some sort of checksum in them
455 2011-07-21 14:57:03 <copumpkin> to prevent typos and lost money?
456 2011-07-21 14:57:22 <mtrlt> yes
457 2011-07-21 15:16:49 <nanotube> copumpkin: that link i posted for nameless gives you that info as well. ;)
458 2011-07-21 15:22:58 <nameless> nanotube: Thanx.
459 2011-07-21 15:35:23 <b4epoche> BlueMatt:  you need anything else with the Cocoa UI?
460 2011-07-21 15:35:58 <BlueMatt> b4epoche: no, Im hopefully gonna give it a good looking over sometime tomorrow and see what does/doesnt need done for merge
461 2011-07-21 15:36:05 <BlueMatt> (aside from encryption additions)
462 2011-07-21 15:36:10 <BlueMatt> hell, maybe we can get it in for 0.4
463 2011-07-21 15:36:16 <b4epoche> okay&  just let me know
464 2011-07-21 15:36:18 <BlueMatt> though it might be a 0.4.1 thing
465 2011-07-21 15:36:40 <BlueMatt> well just needs the encryption popup dialogs for now
466 2011-07-21 15:37:15 <b4epoche> yea, that's already pretty much implemented in the "Trader" version for exchange login so that should be easy on my end
467 2011-07-21 15:37:32 <BlueMatt> ok, good to hear
468 2011-07-21 15:40:37 <nameless> Hello. I've started my bitcoin client with "-testnet" and now my question is how I can get to get some money into my account balance? Can you help me out on this or do I need to generate bc:s ?
469 2011-07-21 15:43:19 <copumpkin> nanotube: reading rots the brain. I try to avoid it
470 2011-07-21 15:43:55 <b4epoche> and you work for a publisher?
471 2011-07-21 15:47:28 <dsockwell> nameless: for testnet, it's easy to generate if you have a GPU, or you can betg
472 2011-07-21 15:47:31 <dsockwell> beg
473 2011-07-21 15:49:07 <AndyBr> nameless: it's better to use testnet-in-a-box or what it's called, because clearing a transaction on testnet takes like 3 hours
474 2011-07-21 15:49:32 <dsockwell> yeah it is pretty slow
475 2011-07-21 15:50:15 <AndyBr> dsockwell: i have another testnet set up which is pretty easy to join if you want
476 2011-07-21 15:52:14 <dsockwell> i might take you up on that
477 2011-07-21 15:52:16 <dsockwell> details?
478 2011-07-21 15:53:15 <nameless> hmm... ok...
479 2011-07-21 15:54:21 <nameless> I'm developing "uc_bitcoin" at the moment.
480 2011-07-21 15:55:50 <nameless> Its a payment method for drupal and it currently works in general. However now I need to perform "real" transactions to get going with some of the issues. Thats why I need to get a testnet up and running.
481 2011-07-21 15:56:50 <nameless> https://github.com/erik78se/uc_bitcoin
482 2011-07-21 15:56:56 <AndyBr> nameless: want to join my net? :D
483 2011-07-21 15:57:17 <nameless> AndyBr: Well, it depends if it helps me developing.
484 2011-07-21 15:57:43 <AlonzoTG> Are there any C++ IDEs for linux which don't suck balls these days?
485 2011-07-21 15:57:46 <nameless> It would be good if a transaction validation wont take 3 hours
486 2011-07-21 15:57:49 <AndyBr> lol alonzo
487 2011-07-21 15:57:55 <AndyBr> nameless: it's a few seconds usually
488 2011-07-21 15:58:12 <nameless> AlonzoTG: Eclipse with addons ?
489 2011-07-21 15:58:14 <AlonzoTG> Kdevelop, WAS pretty good, but isn't now and probably won't be for many years.
490 2011-07-21 15:58:15 <nameless> I use it
491 2011-07-21 15:59:12 <nameless> There is some pretty good addon for eclipse you might try out. Eclipse is rather good imo.
492 2011-07-21 15:59:36 <nameless> AndryBr: So how do I join your net to test ?
493 2011-07-21 16:00:00 <cjdelisle> I find gedit does everything I need. Syntax highlighting *and* variable width tabing with spaces in place of tabs.
494 2011-07-21 16:00:16 <nameless> jeeses
495 2011-07-21 16:01:09 <dsockwell> AlonzoTG: vim
496 2011-07-21 16:01:23 <AlonzoTG> ur nuts.
497 2011-07-21 16:01:24 <dsockwell> good highlighting, regexes
498 2011-07-21 16:01:42 <AlonzoTG> vim perfected the art of the digital lobotomy.
499 2011-07-21 16:01:55 <dsockwell> what does that even mean
500 2011-07-21 16:02:18 <AlonzoTG> it overwrites substantial portions of your brain with memorized key-combinations.
501 2011-07-21 16:02:29 <AlonzoTG> thereby reducing your total IQ
502 2011-07-21 16:02:29 <cjdelisle> the only command I know in vim is:   esc  :  esc esc esc esc esc : wq! \n
503 2011-07-21 16:02:37 <dsockwell> i prefer to call it muscle memory
504 2011-07-21 16:03:50 <dsockwell> and if some basic keystrokes constitute a substantial portion of your brain, maybe you do need visual studio
505 2011-07-21 16:04:18 <AndyBr> i use visual studio for everything *harp*
506 2011-07-21 16:06:40 <cjdelisle> IDEs are usually like "let me get that for you" but to me it comes across as "you're too dumb to do that so I'll do it"  it's insulting when they're right not to mention when they're wrong.
507 2011-07-21 16:07:28 <AlonzoTG> oh well, it saves time, especially when maintaining a standard format across an entire project.
508 2011-07-21 16:07:35 <AndyBr> tbh i could never write C# without VS because there's so much syntax i don't have memorized
509 2011-07-21 16:07:43 <AndyBr> Alonzo: all my code is 100% stylecop =)
510 2011-07-21 16:07:47 <b4epoche> gmaxwell:  you around?
511 2011-07-21 16:08:02 <gmaxwell> b4epoche: halfwaykind. Busy with journalists now.
512 2011-07-21 16:08:45 <b4epoche> well, now I'm curious&  but I am getting a list of 14k IP addresses (from 93 countries) used for that ddos.
513 2011-07-21 16:08:49 <b4epoche> You want it?
514 2011-07-21 16:10:01 <AndyBr> ddos?
515 2011-07-21 16:10:27 <cjdelisle> b4epoche: someone like team cymmru might find that kind of info interesting.
516 2011-07-21 16:10:40 <b4epoche> some dude here (but now banned) used 14k computers and 13 Gbps to shut down psu.edu for an hour last Friday
517 2011-07-21 16:10:58 <b4epoche> cjdelisle:  team cymmru?
518 2011-07-21 16:11:19 <b4epoche> gmaxwell: ^^
519 2011-07-21 16:11:20 <cjdelisle> yea they're a security research team, they keep track of botnets and stuff
520 2011-07-21 16:11:33 <gmaxwell> b4epoche: Yes.
521 2011-07-21 16:12:10 <gmaxwell> As mentioned, I'd like to see if the same drones appear to be connecting to bitcoin. Though if I find they are I'm not sure what I'd do next with the info.
522 2011-07-21 16:12:19 <b4epoche> dropbox?
523 2011-07-21 16:13:05 <gmaxwell> b4epoche: re, journalists: https://thepiratebay.org/torrent/6554331
524 2011-07-21 16:13:32 <gmaxwell> b4epoche: Just email them to me or something gmaxwell@gmail.com
525 2011-07-21 16:13:41 <b4epoche> oh, nice.  I guess you've followed the MIT/JSTOR stuff
526 2011-07-21 16:13:44 <AndyBr> nice
527 2011-07-21 16:14:07 <b4epoche> gmaxwell: sent
528 2011-07-21 16:14:51 <AndyBr> gmaxwell: well done, good sir. science to the people
529 2011-07-21 16:15:07 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: nice
530 2011-07-21 16:15:34 <BlueMatt> 32GB of JSTOR stuff, nice...
531 2011-07-21 16:15:43 <RBecker> ;;eauth RBecker
532 2011-07-21 16:15:44 <gribble> Request successful for user RBecker, hostmask RBecker!~Ryan@unaffiliated/rbecker. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8B2731A00F23E23F
533 2011-07-21 16:15:53 <cjdelisle> Anyone who releases papers is a hero in my opinion.
534 2011-07-21 16:16:29 <gribble> You are now authenticated for user 'RBecker' with key 8B2731A00F23E23F
535 2011-07-21 16:16:29 <RBecker> ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:a49d9ce96abc56fa3e6607829e4b01ff8c9fbe9941932e07637ecccc
536 2011-07-21 16:16:30 <RBecker> ;;voiceme
537 2011-07-21 16:16:43 <BlueMatt> RBecker: can you do that outside of the chan
538 2011-07-21 16:16:48 <BlueMatt> RBecker: please dont spam us
539 2011-07-21 16:17:07 <RBecker> that's hardly spam
540 2011-07-21 16:17:24 <BlueMatt> RBecker: it only applies to you and takes many lines...its spam
541 2011-07-21 16:17:28 <b4epoche> but the ensuing argument will be
542 2011-07-21 16:17:43 <RBecker> spam is if I were to flood the same thing multiple times
543 2011-07-21 16:18:08 <cjdelisle> RBecker: /msg gribble can we do this in private?
544 2011-07-21 16:18:12 <b4epoche> RBecker:  regardless, it's clutter
545 2011-07-21 16:18:12 <BlueMatt> RBecker: I disagree, but in any case, dont put that in the chan, its easier to do it in private
546 2011-07-21 16:18:46 <RBecker> I'm not gonna argue this right now
547 2011-07-21 16:19:09 <BlueMatt> why argue, just do it in private
548 2011-07-21 16:20:06 <b4epoche> gmaxwell:  when you have time, I'm very interested in your discussion of that 'leak'
549 2011-07-21 16:20:55 <AlonzoTG> =\n1326050
550 2011-07-21 16:20:59 <AlonzoTG> =(
551 2011-07-21 16:21:55 <AlonzoTG> Looks like, to make any further progress in my re-implementation of bitcoin, I'm going to have to do a ton of reverse-engineering and collect the tiny handful of comments that exist in the code and write a bunch of documentation on how it actually works.
552 2011-07-21 16:22:42 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: how well do we know IO- ?  a DNS seed requires a very high level of trust, because we have so few.
553 2011-07-21 16:23:02 <b4epoche> AlonzoTG:  see the bitcoinj code
554 2011-07-21 16:23:15 <nameless> |nameless: THIEF!
555 2011-07-21 16:23:30 <AlonzoTG> hmm
556 2011-07-21 16:23:35 <gmaxwell> b4epoche: I'm sure you'll find all sorts of crazy misrepresentations in the press in a day or two! :)
557 2011-07-21 16:24:16 <b4epoche> gmaxwell:  that's why I'd like to hear what you know&  the academic publishing model is so broken.
558 2011-07-21 16:25:37 <nameless> hehe
559 2011-07-21 16:25:42 <AlonzoTG> Actually, I'm not sure where to start writing such a document.
560 2011-07-21 16:25:49 <AlonzoTG> I'm going to need to figure out all the data flows,
561 2011-07-21 16:25:52 <AlonzoTG> security requirements,
562 2011-07-21 16:25:56 <AlonzoTG> data formats,
563 2011-07-21 16:25:59 <AlonzoTG> encryption codes.
564 2011-07-21 16:26:01 <AlonzoTG> etc...
565 2011-07-21 16:26:02 <AlonzoTG> =\n1326088
566 2011-07-21 16:26:07 <b4epoche> the bitcoinj code is /very/ well commented
567 2011-07-21 16:26:11 <AlonzoTG> no
568 2011-07-21 16:26:15 <AlonzoTG> oh,
569 2011-07-21 16:26:17 <AlonzoTG> bitcoinj
570 2011-07-21 16:26:19 <AlonzoTG> .maybe,
571 2011-07-21 16:26:22 <AlonzoTG> lemme load it into netbeans.
572 2011-07-21 16:26:33 <phantomcircuit> b4epoche, yes but only works with 1 peer :P
573 2011-07-21 16:26:38 <b4epoche> probably more lines of comments than lines of code
574 2011-07-21 16:26:55 <phantomcircuit> so it strikes me that listtransactions only works with standard transactions
575 2011-07-21 16:27:02 <b4epoche> phantomcircuit:  that's irrelevant to this discussion
576 2011-07-21 16:27:24 <AlonzoTG> also, I would like to standardize the terminology to normal accounting terms,
577 2011-07-21 16:27:41 <AlonzoTG> so instead of "input" and "output" transactions, there are credit and debit accounts respectively.
578 2011-07-21 16:27:53 <nameless> |nameless: Ever since I joined freenode I've been waiting for your registration to drop so I could grab nameless and stop being a nameless pipe :p
579 2011-07-21 16:28:18 <phantomcircuit> b4epoche, i just interject randomly
580 2011-07-21 16:28:24 <phantomcircuit> sometimes my interjections are useful
581 2011-07-21 16:29:04 <phantomcircuit> AlonzoTG, lol you're just going to get confused
582 2011-07-21 16:29:05 <sacarlson> AlonzoTG: I wonder if an output transaction could be negitive?
583 2011-07-21 16:29:23 <phantomcircuit> sacarlson, no it cant it's a uint64
584 2011-07-21 16:29:31 <phantomcircuit> AlonzoTG, you dont have accounts because it's a chain
585 2011-07-21 16:29:36 <phantomcircuit> input/output is correct
586 2011-07-21 16:29:43 <jgarzik> indeed
587 2011-07-21 16:29:49 <AlonzoTG> You're mixing implementation with concept.
588 2011-07-21 16:30:02 <AlonzoTG> The user has accounts which track where his money is coming from, where it is, and where it's going.
589 2011-07-21 16:30:14 <jgarzik> AlonzoTG: you're trying to conflate what isn't there, to fit the model you want
590 2011-07-21 16:30:29 <AlonzoTG> That is partially correct.
591 2011-07-21 16:30:33 <phantomcircuit> what jgarzik said
592 2011-07-21 16:30:49 <phantomcircuit> AlonzoTG, the way bitcoin actually works the idea of accounts is actually pretty meaningless
593 2011-07-21 16:30:52 <AlonzoTG> I have a good reason for that because for a user to use bitcoins, he needs an accounting system.
594 2011-07-21 16:31:03 <b4epoche> but from a user perspective, I think it's good to try to make analogies with things they understand.
595 2011-07-21 16:31:09 <phantomcircuit> if you want an accounting system it should not be in bitcoind
596 2011-07-21 16:31:14 <AlonzoTG> The user shouldn't be aware of the underlying implementation.
597 2011-07-21 16:31:26 <b4epoche> phantomcircuit:  it's not in bitcoind
598 2011-07-21 16:31:31 <phantomcircuit> or bitcoinj
599 2011-07-21 16:31:33 <phantomcircuit> or pycon
600 2011-07-21 16:31:36 <phantomcircuit> pycoin*
601 2011-07-21 16:31:38 <phantomcircuit> or bitcoin-alt
602 2011-07-21 16:31:42 <AlonzoTG> So therefore yes, I have a good reason to force an external representation on an underlying implementation.
603 2011-07-21 16:31:47 <b4epoche> but the table of tx's the user sees is certainly going to look like an account to him/her
604 2011-07-21 16:31:55 <sacarlson> AlonzoTG: I've always considerd bitcoin software as an open accounting system
605 2011-07-21 16:33:48 <AlonzoTG> hmmmmm.
606 2011-07-21 16:33:58 <AlonzoTG> maybe I'm wrong to force an arbitrary model of accounting on it.
607 2011-07-21 16:34:02 <AlonzoTG> =\n1326167
608 2011-07-21 16:35:12 <b4epoche> just don't take the analogy too far.
609 2011-07-21 16:36:03 <sacarlson> AlonzoTG: but the transactions can also fall into contractual base that may blur to some accounting standards
610 2011-07-21 16:36:08 <AlonzoTG> Do I understand things correctly in that there is a huge block chain and a user gains control of his blocks with his private key?
611 2011-07-21 16:37:00 <sacarlson> AlonzoTG: there could be a transaction that requires a sign of many private keys
612 2011-07-21 16:38:11 <phantomcircuit> AlonzoTG, the standard accounting model works *only* for 100% standard transactions, but there can and almost certainly will be non standard transactions in the future
613 2011-07-21 16:39:34 <AlonzoTG> ???
614 2011-07-21 16:40:06 <phantomcircuit> AlonzoTG, from 1 address to 1 address
615 2011-07-21 16:41:06 <sacarlson> AlonzoTG: we will also have 1 address to many address, many address to many address, with different vote signers to determine who get's what
616 2011-07-21 16:43:33 <AlonzoTG> That's all good,
617 2011-07-21 16:43:47 <AlonzoTG> As long as credits = debits, it can be fit to the standard model.
618 2011-07-21 16:45:07 <sacarlson> AlonzoTG: I'm sure you could create a user interface around it to make it have the words you prefer to call them
619 2011-07-21 16:46:57 <sacarlson> AlonzoTG: or if your a programer you could also create new functions that call the old ones with new names
620 2011-07-21 17:30:24 <becker> http://air.mozilla.org/
621 2011-07-21 17:36:19 <nameless> Hmm, I'm wondering what this means to me: http://imgur.com/y0ucB
622 2011-07-21 17:36:33 <nameless> Can someone explain wtf those transactions means ?
623 2011-07-21 17:37:48 <nameless> I'm connected to that olivenet testnet trying to mine some bitcoins. But I dont have a clue
624 2011-07-21 17:38:02 <nameless> .. if I'm going to have to wait forever or what
625 2011-07-21 17:38:07 <Zagitta> nameless: it means you've found 3 blocks and will recieve then once 120 other blocks have been found
626 2011-07-21 17:38:16 <Zagitta> *them
627 2011-07-21 17:38:38 <nameless> Once what ?
628 2011-07-21 17:39:07 <nameless> Will I get 50btc once 120 more have been found ?!
629 2011-07-21 17:39:12 <Zagitta> yes
630 2011-07-21 17:39:37 <nameless> Oh, so it means someone else needs to find btc before I get to get mine ?
631 2011-07-21 17:39:55 <Zagitta> not if you also find the next 120 blocks
632 2011-07-21 17:40:00 <nameless> ah
633 2011-07-21 17:40:20 <Zagitta> but those at the end will also need 120 blocks to mature
634 2011-07-21 17:40:59 <nameless> aha
635 2011-07-21 18:11:06 <jgarzik> gmaxwell: kudos on the paper publishing
636 2011-07-21 18:12:50 <nameless> link
637 2011-07-21 18:13:16 <coderrr> ditto
638 2011-07-21 18:13:32 <coderrr> nameless, http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/6554331/Papers_from_Philosophical_Transactions_of_the_Royal_Society__fro
639 2011-07-21 18:16:47 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: ya someone at work sent me the link cause we were talking about it at lunch, i got down to the bottom and was like "whoa, wait a second" ;p
640 2011-07-21 18:17:27 <nameless> |This could get annoying
641 2011-07-21 18:22:18 <jgarzik> gmaxwell: wish you'd used trackerless torrent, though :(
642 2011-07-21 18:27:04 <BlueMatt> <jgarzik> BlueMatt: how well do we know IO- ?  a DNS seed requires a very high level of trust, because we have so few. <-- I have audit root-access to the vm it runs on
643 2011-07-21 18:27:26 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: doesn't really answer the question...
644 2011-07-21 18:27:32 <parserk> is it possible to make bitcoin transactions between two parties disconnected from the network?
645 2011-07-21 18:27:43 <parserk> like cash on the street corner
646 2011-07-21 18:28:20 <jrmithdobbs> not safely no
647 2011-07-21 18:29:21 <gmaxwell> jgarzik: since the torrent is public, clients are supposted to be smart enough to work that out on their own. Or so people at the pirate bay tell me.
648 2011-07-21 18:29:31 <parserk> jrmithdobbs: ok thanks
649 2011-07-21 18:30:15 <jrmithdobbs> transmission.app will anyways
650 2011-07-21 18:30:28 <diki> forum is loading veeery slowly
651 2011-07-21 18:30:32 <jrmithdobbs> so long as you're not using an ancient client it should work fine
652 2011-07-21 18:30:36 <jgarzik> gmaxwell: it works, but it takes longer to find peers, and we pound ceaselessly on a tracker that doesn't like us
653 2011-07-21 18:30:38 <jrmithdobbs> diki: noone in here cares about the forum
654 2011-07-21 18:30:54 <jgarzik> gmaxwell: not a big deal, just something to think about in the future.  trackerless torrents work just fine.
655 2011-07-21 18:30:55 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: you can tell your client to ignore the tracker
656 2011-07-21 18:31:05 <diki> why not?
657 2011-07-21 18:31:12 <jrmithdobbs> diki: because they're a cesspool
658 2011-07-21 18:31:19 <diki> cesspool?
659 2011-07-21 18:31:23 <diki> lolwut?
660 2011-07-21 18:33:29 <Eliel> gmaxwell: very brave move there. I'm happy you did it.
661 2011-07-21 18:33:49 <mtrlt> likewise. downloading :-)
662 2011-07-21 18:34:35 <parserk> this may be asked to death, im sorry if it is... anyway, is it impossible to make transactions take less than 10 minutes to be confirmed? it's rather disadvatageous for "cash" payments like buying an ice cream on the street :(
663 2011-07-21 18:34:48 <diki> blocks
664 2011-07-21 18:34:52 <diki> solving blocks = faster tx
665 2011-07-21 18:35:08 <diki> the faster a block is solved, the faster a tx is confirmed
666 2011-07-21 18:35:12 <parserk> i see
667 2011-07-21 18:35:15 <nanotube> parserk: for small tx, you could safely take unconfirmed transactions.
668 2011-07-21 18:35:20 <Evious> You could move your trust to some 3rd party for those transactions.
669 2011-07-21 18:35:39 <nanotube> parserk: since doublespending is not an easy thing to do, and one would not expect someone to make the effort for a piddling amount.
670 2011-07-21 18:35:47 <mtrlt> nanotube: unless nodes start forgetting less-important unverified transactions
671 2011-07-21 18:36:01 <nanotube> mtrlt: that is not the case yet.
672 2011-07-21 18:36:09 <nanotube> and no guarantees that it ever will be. :)
673 2011-07-21 18:36:18 <mtrlt> no guarantee the other way either :P
674 2011-07-21 18:36:22 <nanotube> at any rate, /your/ node will rebroadcast the tx until it is in a block
675 2011-07-21 18:36:32 <nanotube> so even if nodes clean their buffers, your node will be sure to rebroadcast it.
676 2011-07-21 18:36:48 <Zagitta> linux noob: How would i go around telling this makefile: https://github.com/samr7/vanitygen/blob/master/Makefile where my openCL libs are placed?
677 2011-07-21 18:36:49 <mtrlt> but if i hack my node to not do that?
678 2011-07-21 18:37:07 <mtrlt> then any payment receiver will have to wait for confirmations. or use a third party.
679 2011-07-21 18:37:34 <nanotube> mtrlt: not just the sender rebroadcasts. receiver also.
680 2011-07-21 18:37:43 <mtrlt> hmm
681 2011-07-21 18:37:48 <nanotube> so you'd have to hack the receiver's node too :)
682 2011-07-21 18:37:51 <mtrlt> yea i didn't think of that :p
683 2011-07-21 18:37:56 <mtrlt> you're right, it works
684 2011-07-21 18:38:03 <nanotube> and while you're at it, forget about the doublespend, and just take all their coins :)
685 2011-07-21 18:38:13 <mtrlt> yeah :D
686 2011-07-21 18:38:26 <nanotube> hehe
687 2011-07-21 18:38:54 <parserk> ill just be lurking this out, since i dont understand it very well, gotta read up on it ^^
688 2011-07-21 18:42:31 <Evious> What happens if a government attacks the IRC servers used as entry points to the network?
689 2011-07-21 18:43:18 <glassresistor> Evious: man are people still having this convo
690 2011-07-21 18:43:27 <Evious> I didn't see it before =)
691 2011-07-21 18:43:44 <glassresistor> there are multiple points of entry and worst case you can use whisper channels and sneaker nets
692 2011-07-21 18:43:55 <D0han> Evious: nothing, we have dns seeds
693 2011-07-21 18:44:03 <glassresistor> Evious: past year my friend first 10 questions everyone askes
694 2011-07-21 18:44:25 <glassresistor> and yeah we all cache ips
695 2011-07-21 18:46:46 <enquirer> wasn't 3.24 supposed to fix the block chain not downloading problem?
696 2011-07-21 18:47:05 <D0han> yes, it was
697 2011-07-21 18:47:41 <enquirer> it's even worse now (
698 2011-07-21 18:48:32 <enquirer> i have 8 connections, one of them version 32400, others 32300 and 32100
699 2011-07-21 18:48:53 <jgarzik> enquirer: what specific problems are you seeing?  the block chain download problem is fixed when the majority of nodes have upgraded to 0.3.24.  so it matters who you are downloading from, not what version you're running.
700 2011-07-21 18:49:13 <jgarzik> enquirer: sounds like you have some problem with incoming connections
701 2011-07-21 18:49:14 <enquirer> getting 14 (fourteen) blocks after 20 minutes
702 2011-07-21 18:49:26 <jgarzik> enquirer: try port forwarding or -upnp
703 2011-07-21 18:49:51 <Zagitta> oclvanitygen.c:30:19: fatal error: CL/cl.h: No such file or directory
704 2011-07-21 18:49:54 <Zagitta> fuuu
705 2011-07-21 18:51:10 <mtrlt> mmmm.. opencl address generation
706 2011-07-21 18:51:33 <cjdelisle> hehe
707 2011-07-21 18:51:37 <Zagitta> http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=25804.0
708 2011-07-21 18:53:20 <enquirer> well i'm behind ISP nat, but somehow emule has no problem establishing connections
709 2011-07-21 18:54:59 <enquirer> seems like nobody wants to upgrade - all my connections are earlier versions
710 2011-07-21 18:55:32 <Zagitta> enquirer: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Fallback_Nodes
711 2011-07-21 18:55:41 <D0han> add node with new version
712 2011-07-21 18:59:31 <enquirer> heh i used some addresses from that page but  they were probably flooded and taken offline since then
713 2011-07-21 19:03:35 <enquirer> ok it works faster now thanks to MagicalTux's node )
714 2011-07-21 19:05:31 <enquirer> indication of how many blocks remained to download would be nice, maybe a progress bar ...
715 2011-07-21 19:08:26 <enquirer> no, it's stuck at 137100, let's see if restart will help
716 2011-07-21 19:12:37 <D0han> you can download chain on torrents
717 2011-07-21 19:15:41 <Zagitta> enquirer: you're missing about 300 blocks
718 2011-07-21 19:16:56 <diki> zagitta
719 2011-07-21 19:17:06 <diki> i had to add the full path in the .h files
720 2011-07-21 19:20:07 <Zagitta> diki: i tried that but then the headers just complain: /var/AMD-APP-SDK-v2.4-lnx32/include/CL/cl.h:32:28: fatal error: CL/cl_platform.h: No such file or directory
721 2011-07-21 19:20:28 <diki> i changed even those .h files
722 2011-07-21 19:20:33 <diki> and everything compiled afterwards
723 2011-07-21 19:20:47 <diki> but when did vanity gen start supporting opencL?
724 2011-07-21 19:20:50 <Zagitta> lol, i was thinking about doing that but it's such an ugly solution D:
725 2011-07-21 19:20:58 <Zagitta> recently
726 2011-07-21 19:21:08 <diki> does it, or is it still "in progress"?
727 2011-07-21 19:22:54 <diki> can you provide me with a link to vanitygencl?
728 2011-07-21 19:26:37 <Zagitta> https://github.com/samr7/vanitygen
729 2011-07-21 19:27:02 <Zagitta> it's still in progress afaik
730 2011-07-21 19:29:18 <phantomcircuit> Zagitta, it works
731 2011-07-21 19:29:40 <_W_> gmaxwell, assuming it's the same guy; bloody well done on releasing those journals!
732 2011-07-21 19:30:00 <Zagitta> phantomcirc: yeah but by work in progress i thought we were talking about preformance?
733 2011-07-21 19:30:29 <Evious> gmaxwell, aye, and I love the idea of linking them to something like Wikipedia.
734 2011-07-21 19:30:46 <Evious> Going to buy a new harddrive just so I can download 'em today :)
735 2011-07-21 19:33:27 <TuxBlackEdo> how can i maximize my fees that i get per block?
736 2011-07-21 19:35:00 <Eliel> TuxBlackEdo: make sure your node takes every transaction with a fee into the block.
737 2011-07-21 19:35:18 <da2ce7> is there a mod so bitcoind dosn't automaticaly add transaction fees?
738 2011-07-21 19:35:44 <TuxBlackEdo> and how can i filter out free transactions?
739 2011-07-21 19:36:15 <WakiMiko> TuxBlackEdo: you make a tx with a HUGE fee, but never broadcast it, so only your miner knows about it. than you hash it into a block.
740 2011-07-21 19:36:50 <TuxBlackEdo> i am going to try to decode what you just said
741 2011-07-21 19:36:57 <WakiMiko> dont better its a joke
742 2011-07-21 19:37:01 <WakiMiko> *bother
743 2011-07-21 19:37:06 <TuxBlackEdo> haha