1 2011-08-03 00:01:01 <Evious> Slot machines don't match their outcomes to the number of symbols they display. They're popular.
 2 2011-08-03 00:01:08 <Evious> Surely gambling sites don't need to either?
 3 2011-08-03 00:01:56 <MaggyO> every gambling site operator says the same thing
 4 2011-08-03 00:02:12 <MaggyO> are you ever going to meet someone promoting the fact the odds are even more rigged in his favour?
 5 2011-08-03 00:03:09 <lfm> I think we can take it as a rule that a cheating site would say the same things as an honest one.
 6 2011-08-03 00:03:37 <Cusipzzz> that's why betting on sports is the safest online gambling ..can't be rigged by code... referees, yes, but not code :)
 7 2011-08-03 00:04:07 <MaggyO> yah cept not enough people do it so its hard to do that Cusipzzz
 8 2011-08-03 00:04:11 <lfm> well they can rig the odds
 9 2011-08-03 00:04:12 <cjdelisle> bet on the last byte of the hash of the next block
10 2011-08-03 00:04:28 <cjdelisle> it's not so much fun but rigging it is going to be hell
11 2011-08-03 00:05:01 <MaggyO> unless a site has a large bankroll they are essentially using other peoples bets to give you winnings
12 2011-08-03 00:05:11 <Cusipzzz> betting sports, the odds are displayed upfront. if you don'tlike it, move to the next game. pretty easy
13 2011-08-03 00:05:18 <MaggyO> and in a direct fashion, unlike most bookies
14 2011-08-03 00:06:10 <Namegduf> Huh?
15 2011-08-03 00:06:13 <Namegduf> The house always wins
16 2011-08-03 00:06:17 <Namegduf> The house has always always won
17 2011-08-03 00:06:22 <Namegduf> This isn't news
18 2011-08-03 00:06:51 <Namegduf> Not scammy, just gambling
19 2011-08-03 00:07:14 <cjdelisle> also it would make sense to put bets into escrow transactions in the chain (at least on the longer term) since then if the house goes bust then the players all have what they started with.
20 2011-08-03 00:07:16 <MaggyO> youre confusing the points again Namegduf
21 2011-08-03 00:07:28 <Namegduf> No, I'm replying to what you're writing.
22 2011-08-03 00:07:38 <MaggyO> just because gambling is known that the "House wins" doesnt mean the odds people think they are getting are rigged
23 2011-08-03 00:07:54 <Namegduf> They're not rigged. The house just wins more often than not.
24 2011-08-03 00:07:59 <MaggyO> haha
25 2011-08-03 00:08:03 <Namegduf> And if they don't think they're getting that they're outright morons.
26 2011-08-03 00:08:12 <Namegduf> Everywhere is that way, always has been.
27 2011-08-03 00:08:14 <MaggyO> theyre not rigged? lawl
28 2011-08-03 00:08:19 <lfm> and sometimes the house rigs the odds to win more often than that
29 2011-08-03 00:08:23 <Namegduf> And most of them advertise their odds.
30 2011-08-03 00:08:25 <MaggyO> you speak on behalf of every btc gambling operation now, nice
31 2011-08-03 00:08:28 <Namegduf> (And the house wins more)
32 2011-08-03 00:08:37 <MaggyO> Namegduf the BTC gambling regulator
33 2011-08-03 00:08:41 <Namegduf> No, I don't. Do not put words in my mouth.
34 2011-08-03 00:08:50 <Namegduf> I'm talking about gambling in general, giving you the 10 year old explanation.
35 2011-08-03 00:08:56 <Namegduf> Since you seem to need it.
36 2011-08-03 00:09:00 <MaggyO> <Namegduf> They're not rigged.
37 2011-08-03 00:09:01 <cjdelisle> heh
38 2011-08-03 00:09:13 <MaggyO> implies gambling will never be rigged
39 2011-08-03 00:09:22 <Namegduf> No, it doesn't.
40 2011-08-03 00:09:28 <Cusipzzz> btcsportsbet.com is not rigged, and cannot be rigged by the site...there are exceptions
41 2011-08-03 00:09:30 <Namegduf> That is what is called a strawman argument.
42 2011-08-03 00:09:37 <MaggyO> lawl, <Namegduf> They're not rigged.
43 2011-08-03 00:09:40 <MaggyO> pretty much states it
44 2011-08-03 00:09:44 <MaggyO> 3 words
45 2011-08-03 00:10:02 <Namegduf> Well, aside the change in tense, and the "They're" referring to the previous line, not all bitcoin operations everywhere
46 2011-08-03 00:10:25 <lfm> they're could refer to some specific subset of sites
47 2011-08-03 00:10:27 <Namegduf> (The previous line containing "the odds", which are the offered rates of winning)
48 2011-08-03 00:10:47 <MaggyO> yes to a non specific "house" that you dont know is rigged or not
49 2011-08-03 00:10:49 <MaggyO> yet you claim it isnt
50 2011-08-03 00:11:00 <Namegduf> The offered rates cannot be rigged by definition.
51 2011-08-03 00:11:06 <MaggyO> everyone knows the "House always wins" its a given
52 2011-08-03 00:11:12 <Namegduf> They are not the real percentage of times you win, thus the phrase "beating the odds".
53 2011-08-03 00:11:22 <MaggyO> what we are discussing are operators who offer even lower odds behind the scenes than they should to win more often
54 2011-08-03 00:11:26 <MaggyO> if you could read well, you would get this
55 2011-08-03 00:11:34 <Namegduf> You can't "offer" behind the scenes.
56 2011-08-03 00:11:38 <Namegduf> Consider the meaning of the word "offer".
57 2011-08-03 00:11:50 <MaggyO> ok, who "set"
58 2011-08-03 00:12:04 <Namegduf> Those are not "the odds".
59 2011-08-03 00:12:32 <Namegduf> In such a case, there are two sets of odds, the publicised offered odds and the real ones.
60 2011-08-03 00:12:38 <Namegduf> "the odds" refers to the former.
61 2011-08-03 00:12:42 <MaggyO> haha
62 2011-08-03 00:12:48 <MaggyO> in your mind they do
63 2011-08-03 00:13:08 <m03sizlak> ffs, my site is legit
64 2011-08-03 00:13:13 <Namegduf> Actually, you said "the odds people think they're getting"
65 2011-08-03 00:13:19 <m03sizlak> go gamble!
66 2011-08-03 00:13:22 <Namegduf> By definition, those odds aren't rigged because they're the ones they think they're getting
67 2011-08-03 00:13:30 <Namegduf> :P
68 2011-08-03 00:13:32 <lfm> horse betting you dont always get the odds that you bet on. the payout is adjusted after the results are in
69 2011-08-03 00:13:41 <MaggyO> you like arguing on the internet eh Namegduf
70 2011-08-03 00:14:19 <MaggyO> the classic fail to read correctly what is being said, argue about the failed reading comprehension, then wind it back to "either way im right"
71 2011-08-03 00:14:41 <lfm> bah, no one can read everything
72 2011-08-03 00:15:02 <Namegduf> If this happens to you a lot, maybe it's not so much a problem at the "reading" end.
73 2011-08-03 00:15:04 <Namegduf> Just sayin'