1 2011-08-04 00:24:42 <lfm> bliket_: when was that episode made?
  2 2011-08-04 00:25:00 <bliket_> like a couple hours ago
  3 2011-08-04 00:25:27 <lfm> I thot mybitcoin was gone longer than that
  4 2011-08-04 00:29:04 <bliket_> yes
  5 2011-08-04 00:29:16 <bliket_> but bruce wagner recently posted a new episode
  6 2011-08-04 00:30:17 <lfm> ya he talking about mybitcoin disapearing "last friday" thats why I asked when was that show made?
  7 2011-08-04 00:32:36 <bliket_> this morning
  8 2011-08-04 01:09:45 <riush> is there any way to download the bitcoin show? i was using a plugin but it stopped working and i can't find anything that does :/
  9 2011-08-04 01:23:29 <nanotube> riush: eventually it will be posted on youtube and you can dl it from there...
 10 2011-08-04 01:24:10 <riush> nanotube, it is on youtube, but they seem to have changed something so no method to download works anymore
 11 2011-08-04 01:24:34 <nanotube> oh well, then yt sucks. what else is new. :)
 12 2011-08-04 01:25:24 <nanotube> riush: have you tried downloadhelper addon for firefox?
 13 2011-08-04 01:28:04 <riush> yeah, and half a dozen other plugins, youtube-dl.py, fiddling with wget, nothing works anymore :(
 14 2011-08-04 01:30:14 <cjdelisle> use downloadhelper and just start watching the vid, start the download in downloadhelper, the sownload should just hand at 0%, kill the tab and your download starts.
 15 2011-08-04 01:30:26 <cjdelisle> *gang at 0%
 16 2011-08-04 01:30:35 <cjdelisle> fuck   *hang
 17 2011-08-04 01:33:15 <riush> yay, it works!
 18 2011-08-04 01:33:23 <riush> thanks cjdelisle :)
 19 2011-08-04 01:34:07 <riush> but now i need that **** flash player - previously UnPlug could do it without...
 20 2011-08-04 01:35:51 <cjdelisle> yea, my flash is broke so I have an old firefox I use when I need flash (to get muh flvs)
 21 2011-08-04 01:36:07 <riush> heh
 22 2011-08-04 01:37:36 <riush> tomorrow i'll ask bruce if he couldn't make a torrent :)
 23 2011-08-04 01:40:26 <cjdelisle> you could make a torrent now
 24 2011-08-04 01:40:30 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,calc 3000
 25 2011-08-04 01:40:31 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 3000 Khps, given current difficulty of 1888786.7053531 , is 85 years, 38 weeks, 6 days, 8 hours, 46 minutes, and 16 seconds
 26 2011-08-04 01:41:24 <bliket_> thats about how long we are all going to live for
 27 2011-08-04 01:43:27 <nanotube> bliket_: speak for yourself, i'm counting on at least 300.
 28 2011-08-04 01:43:46 <bliket_> with the advances in modern science?
 29 2011-08-04 01:44:22 <nanotube> yes, advances in modern science, and sheer wishful thinking
 30 2011-08-04 01:44:38 <bliket_> Lucius Washington: You're not gonna live forever. Ricky Bobby: No one lives forever, no one. But with advances in modern science and my high level income, it's not crazy to think I can live to be 245, maybe 300. Heck, I just read in the newspaper that they put a pig heart in some guy from Russia. Do you know what that means? Lucius Washington: No, I don't know what that means. I guess longer life. Ricky Bobby: No, he didn't liv
 31 2011-08-04 01:45:08 <nanotube> your msg got cut off at "he didn't liv"
 32 2011-08-04 01:45:16 <bliket_> Ricky Bobby: No, he didn't live. It's just exciting that we're trying things like that.
 33 2011-08-04 01:46:21 <nanotube> heh
 34 2011-08-04 01:47:39 <lfm> when you said 98 is about how long we are all goinf to live for, thats wrong, most people do not die at 86, thats just the average (for the usa?)
 35 2011-08-04 01:47:48 <lfm> when you said 98 is about how long we are all goinf to live for, thats wrong, most people do not die at 86, thats just the average (for the usa?)98 -> 85
 36 2011-08-04 01:49:19 <lfm> hsould I try again or do you know what I was trying to say yet
 37 2011-08-04 01:49:25 <bliket_> try again
 38 2011-08-04 01:49:32 <bliket_> i sitll dont know what's going on
 39 2011-08-04 01:49:36 <bliket_> still*
 40 2011-08-04 01:49:59 <lfm> when you said 85 is about how long we are all going to live for, thats wrong, most people do not die at 85, thats just the average (for the usa?)
 41 2011-08-04 01:50:20 <bliket_> the average for somolia is like 35
 42 2011-08-04 01:50:34 <bliket_> why all this nevativity towards the usa?
 43 2011-08-04 01:51:05 <bliket_> its like saying, "oh my car just died" "do you live in the usa?" "yes" "oh yeah in the usa cars die faster then anywhere else in the world"
 44 2011-08-04 01:51:14 <Diablo-D3> uh
 45 2011-08-04 01:51:17 <Diablo-D3> but they do
 46 2011-08-04 01:51:21 <Diablo-D3> fucking E85 regulation shit
 47 2011-08-04 01:51:23 <lfm> no, just saying people see the average life span is 85 then they are suprized when they die earleir OR later.
 48 2011-08-04 01:51:28 <Diablo-D3> corn == bad for cars.
 49 2011-08-04 01:51:42 <bliket_> i use vegetable oil in my car
 50 2011-08-04 01:51:50 <Diablo-D3> lol biodiesel
 51 2011-08-04 01:51:53 <bliket_> i just put it on my body whenever i go somewhere
 52 2011-08-04 01:54:09 <lfm> in fact mayne only 2 percent of people die when theyre 85 most dont
 53 2011-08-04 01:54:38 <bliket_> how about michael jackson
 54 2011-08-04 01:54:42 <bliket_> he died when he was 50
 55 2011-08-04 01:54:46 <bliket_> and he had a high level of income
 56 2011-08-04 01:55:15 <lfm> ya I died when I was 50 too but I was poorer than micheal jackson
 57 2011-08-04 01:55:54 <Diablo-D3> micheal jackson didnt _die_ die though
 58 2011-08-04 01:55:58 <Diablo-D3> he died from a drug overdose
 59 2011-08-04 01:56:11 <lfm> in fact I think most people die when they are 50, that proves it
 60 2011-08-04 01:57:09 <bliket_> michael jackson did die
 61 2011-08-04 01:57:11 <lfm> amy winehouse died from drugs too  so most people die from drugs
 62 2011-08-04 01:57:23 <bliket_> he did died he died when he did die
 63 2011-08-04 01:57:58 <Diablo-D3> dude
 64 2011-08-04 01:58:15 <Diablo-D3> chuck norris is the leading cause of death
 65 2011-08-04 01:58:28 <bliket_> oh great this old meme again
 66 2011-08-04 01:59:26 <bliket_> Diablo-D3: catch up with the times Nyan Cat [original] -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH2-TGUlwu4
 67 2011-08-04 01:59:57 <bliket_> oh cool
 68 2011-08-04 01:59:57 <Diablo-D3> bliket_: you missed it when nyan cat had a nyan cat time bar on youtube.
 69 2011-08-04 02:00:11 <bliket_> youtube has a reactions drop down box
 70 2011-08-04 02:00:44 <bliket_> funny- 56, incredible 291, classic 27, cute 49, what? 165, ouch 15
 71 2011-08-04 02:00:46 <lfm> nyan cat kicks chuck noris' but. chuck noris calls nyan cat "master"
 72 2011-08-04 02:01:33 <bliket_> "incredible" and "what?" come in as two of the top choices for a reaction to the nyan cat video
 73 2011-08-04 02:02:30 <bliket_> can u post?? the lyrics???? - 5thkie  6 seconds ago
 74 2011-08-04 02:02:31 <bliket_> lol
 75 2011-08-04 02:22:41 <CIA-103> DiabloMiner: Patrick McFarland master * rb346e4a / src/main/java/com/diablominer/DiabloMiner/DiabloMiner.java : Improved error handling, improved roll ntime disabling support - https://github.com/Diablo-D3/DiabloMiner/commit/b346e4a2265e9cf56006b8336ad0866b9febd91e https://github.com/Diablo-D3/DiabloMiner/commit/b346e4a2265e9cf56006b8336ad0866b9febd91e
 76 2011-08-04 02:26:52 <CIA-103> DiabloMiner: Patrick McFarland master * rbb69d1b / src/main/java/com/diablominer/DiabloMiner/DiabloMiner.java : Changed LP hard timeout to 5 minutes - https://github.com/Diablo-D3/DiabloMiner/commit/bb69d1be6429cc665572a1226ace90ba360b83f0 https://github.com/Diablo-D3/DiabloMiner/commit/bb69d1be6429cc665572a1226ace90ba360b83f0
 77 2011-08-04 02:34:04 <aviadbd> hey guys
 78 2011-08-04 02:34:20 <aviadbd> When I'm sending "getwork" as jsonrpc to Eligius, I get new work - so far so good.
 79 2011-08-04 02:34:35 <aviadbd> When I sent the same method with params containing the work done (fake work, just for testing), I get nothing in response.
 80 2011-08-04 02:34:45 <aviadbd> Shouldn't I get a response saying that work is invalid or something?
 81 2011-08-04 02:34:54 <aviadbd> (I get an empty response body)
 82 2011-08-04 02:35:13 <doublec> yes, you should get a response in JSON format
 83 2011-08-04 02:35:21 <aviadbd> so what am I doing wrong?
 84 2011-08-04 02:35:35 <doublec> are you sure you are sending the correct JSON data?
 85 2011-08-04 02:36:03 <doublec> possibly eligius is ignoring getwork submissions for work it never farmed out
 86 2011-08-04 02:36:04 <aviadbd> This is what I'm sending:
 87 2011-08-04 02:36:15 <aviadbd> {"jsonrpc": "1.0", "id":"bitcoin", "method": "getwork", "params": [ work ] }
 88 2011-08-04 02:36:37 <doublec> I assume 'work' is a string?
 89 2011-08-04 02:36:44 <aviadbd> no no, it's work that Eligius sent to me
 90 2011-08-04 02:36:50 <aviadbd> I just send something that doesn't match the target.
 91 2011-08-04 02:37:02 <aviadbd> Yes, work is a 160 characters string .
 92 2011-08-04 02:37:11 <aviadbd> It's a real header - just one that doesn't match the target.
 93 2011-08-04 02:37:48 <lfm> so what response are you expecting?
 94 2011-08-04 02:37:51 <doublec> looks like you're doing things right
 95 2011-08-04 02:38:24 <aviadbd> The cg-miner is getting a response like this for success:  {"id":1,"error":null,"result":true}
 96 2011-08-04 02:38:30 <aviadbd> I expect something similar, with false as result.
 97 2011-08-04 02:38:58 <aviadbd> Oh, and I'm also sending an authentication header, just like when I'm getting a new work.
 98 2011-08-04 02:39:03 <aviadbd> (in case you're wondering)
 99 2011-08-04 02:39:09 <aviadbd> but are there other HTTP headers I should send ?
100 2011-08-04 02:39:23 <lfm> user password?
101 2011-08-04 02:39:55 <aviadbd> lfm: yep. User is the account and password is "x", like in the Eligius instructions.
102 2011-08-04 02:40:14 <aviadbd> (it says pass can be anything - so I just placed x)
103 2011-08-04 02:43:29 <aviadbd> any ideas?
104 2011-08-04 03:21:41 <Forexmasterja> hello anyone home
105 2011-08-04 03:24:14 <Forexmasterja> I have a friend I was telling about bitcoin and he posed some interesting questions and was very negative about it, He said the system is designed as a way to break or as he would call it create a database of sha256 hashes that would allow the encryption to be eventually cracked, and essentially breaking ssl and a whole bunch of other security features worldwide is this even possible ?
106 2011-08-04 03:25:56 <jeremias> lol, he doesn't obviously get encryption
107 2011-08-04 03:26:07 <jeremias> Forexmasterja: it's not possible
108 2011-08-04 03:31:00 <Forexmasterja> jeremias could u explain ?
109 2011-08-04 03:32:57 <Forexmasterja> Is not possible that we could be creating a database of total possible sha256 combination hashes to create a rainbowtable of sorts to hack sha256 ?
110 2011-08-04 03:36:54 <jeremias> Forexmasterja: well, if you are google or microsoft you can try doing something like that with all the computer power/capacity you have
111 2011-08-04 03:37:03 <jeremias> it would still probably be failure
112 2011-08-04 03:37:14 <jeremias> because you would need a fucking big database
113 2011-08-04 03:37:28 <Forexmasterja> size doesnt matter really
114 2011-08-04 03:38:03 <Forexmasterja> storage is not all that expensive
115 2011-08-04 03:38:19 <jeremias> hmm
116 2011-08-04 03:38:27 <Forexmasterja> all i want to know is if the concept has any merit at all ?
117 2011-08-04 03:38:43 <jeremias> do you fucking get how many hashes you would need to create in order to brute-force a bitcoin address
118 2011-08-04 03:38:53 <jeremias> there isn't any merit in that concept
119 2011-08-04 03:39:05 <jeremias> just google sha-256 collision
120 2011-08-04 03:39:07 <Forexmasterja> is the sha256 that bitcoin is hashing any different than a transaction encrpted in ssl using sha256 ?
121 2011-08-04 03:39:11 <jeremias> or something
122 2011-08-04 03:39:35 <jeremias> http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=27277.0
123 2011-08-04 03:40:00 <Forexmasterja> i'm not really that verse on all the technicals, i'm just asking, i really hope none of what i'm asking even makes sense
124 2011-08-04 03:40:37 <jeremias> well, i'm not in a mood of explaining it further
125 2011-08-04 03:40:43 <jeremias> just fucking google it
126 2011-08-04 03:40:49 <jeremias> but "The size of the 160 bit SHA-1 key space is in the same order of magnitude as the number of atoms in the Earth (~10^50)"
127 2011-08-04 03:42:04 <Forexmasterja> i got that part ....
128 2011-08-04 03:42:26 <forrestv> Forexmasterja, only one of every 7 million billion hashes is permanently stored
129 2011-08-04 03:42:37 <Forexmasterja> so just tell him it is impossible to even store a database of that size
130 2011-08-04 03:42:42 <forrestv> there is no database
131 2011-08-04 04:22:29 <Diablo-D3> hrm
132 2011-08-04 04:22:43 <Diablo-D3> with sdk 2.5 I get 373 mhash, which isnt bad
133 2011-08-04 04:24:32 <RealSolid> on Geforce 2MX ?
134 2011-08-04 04:24:44 <Diablo-D3> RealSolid: lol
135 2011-08-04 04:30:05 <RealSolid> Diablo-D3: you going to new york for this conference thing?
136 2011-08-04 04:30:18 <RealSolid> apparently all the bitcoin movers and shakers will be there
137 2011-08-04 04:30:24 <Diablo-D3> no.
138 2011-08-04 04:30:43 <RealSolid> do you have a valid reason? youll need a doctors note
139 2011-08-04 04:30:50 <Diablo-D3> I dont do cons.
140 2011-08-04 04:31:12 <RealSolid> why not , its a good place for the feds to photograph you
141 2011-08-04 04:31:22 <Diablo-D3> exactly.
142 2011-08-04 04:31:46 <RealSolid> when you gather all your enemies into one room its easy to have a muslim blow himself up there
143 2011-08-04 04:31:53 <RealSolid> muslim/cruise missile, same thing
144 2011-08-04 04:32:02 <copumpkin> funny
145 2011-08-04 04:32:08 <Diablo-D3> yeah, but muslims are not fired out of a submarine.
146 2011-08-04 04:32:11 <Diablo-D3> well, often, anyways.
147 2011-08-04 04:32:24 <RealSolid> the new ones can fire muslims
148 2011-08-04 04:32:27 <RealSolid> the DT-320a
149 2011-08-04 04:33:10 <RealSolid> someone promoting bitcoins in this day is a bit like jesus going through the market in his times, upsetting all the jews
150 2011-08-04 04:33:20 <RealSolid> someones going to get nailed to a cross here
151 2011-08-04 04:37:22 <Diablo-D3> okay so, sdk 2.4 does 372
152 2011-08-04 04:50:56 <RealSolid> they need to fix the 100% cpu usage issue
153 2011-08-04 04:50:58 <RealSolid> in opencl
154 2011-08-04 04:53:35 <Diablo-D3> RealSolid: it only effects windows uers
155 2011-08-04 04:53:38 <Diablo-D3> *users
156 2011-08-04 04:53:47 <Diablo-D3> they fixed the 2.2/2.3 bug already
157 2011-08-04 05:04:01 <RealSolid> Diablo-D3: and?
158 2011-08-04 05:04:14 <RealSolid> they should still fix it :P
159 2011-08-04 05:05:00 <Diablo-D3> sure, but serious miners use linux ;)
160 2011-08-04 05:07:08 <RealSolid> why
161 2011-08-04 05:07:15 <Diablo-D3> faster, less trouble
162 2011-08-04 05:07:21 <RealSolid> because they have the low installs for headerless action
163 2011-08-04 05:07:39 <RealSolid> are you a serious miner?
164 2011-08-04 05:07:47 <Diablo-D3> I wrote the most used miner.
165 2011-08-04 05:07:59 <RealSolid> pocblm?
166 2011-08-04 05:08:05 <Diablo-D3> diablominer.
167 2011-08-04 05:08:20 <RealSolid> nice
168 2011-08-04 05:08:24 <RealSolid> in java?
169 2011-08-04 05:08:28 <Diablo-D3> yes
170 2011-08-04 05:08:43 <RealSolid> i guess it doesnt really matter its not C++ in this instance, per se
171 2011-08-04 05:09:14 <RealSolid> isnt it a bit more overhead having to load java for the miners though?
172 2011-08-04 05:31:45 <coderrr> did anyone see kaminsky's talk ?
173 2011-08-04 05:32:01 <ThomasV> coderrr: url ?
174 2011-08-04 05:32:50 <coderrr> http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/news/2240039221/Black-Hat-2011-Dan-Kaminsky-reveals-network-security-research-topics
175 2011-08-04 05:32:52 <coderrr> ThomasV,
176 2011-08-04 05:33:33 <ThomasV> ty
177 2011-08-04 05:36:12 <coderrr> my guess is its just linking inputs of tx's
178 2011-08-04 05:37:31 <ThomasV> yes
179 2011-08-04 05:37:43 <ThomasV> I see  no other way
180 2011-08-04 05:45:05 <moa7> blitcoin
181 2011-08-04 05:45:08 <moa7> oops
182 2011-08-04 05:45:47 <doublec> google didn't find anything when I looked
183 2011-08-04 05:46:37 <moa7> guess strong anonymity is next iteration
184 2011-08-04 05:46:58 <coderrr> yea i can't find anything about it anywhere :[
185 2011-08-04 05:47:31 <coderrr> maybe itll increase uptake of my patch
186 2011-08-04 05:48:28 <RealSolid> inputs of txs?
187 2011-08-04 05:49:17 <coderrr> RealSolid, like if you send me bitcoin from addr1 and addr2, everyone knows the same person controls addr1 and addr2, and i know its you that control them
188 2011-08-04 05:49:36 <coderrr> and then i can recursively link any other transactions that have used addr1 or addr2 as inputs
189 2011-08-04 05:51:00 <coderrr> and potentially get a list of many/every bitcoin address you control
190 2011-08-04 06:09:12 <CIA-103> DiabloMiner: Patrick McFarland master * r2fd2b9c / src/main/java/com/diablominer/DiabloMiner/DiabloMiner.java : Make roll ntime disabling even more paranoid, change LP timeout back to ... https://github.com/Diablo-D3/DiabloMiner/commit/2fd2b9cb9b62c96825acce1206e9af1d90ecc5a6
191 2011-08-04 06:30:27 <RealSolid> hashing power seems to be dropping
192 2011-08-04 06:33:28 <mtrlt> it's random variation.
193 2011-08-04 06:33:39 <mtrlt> if this continues for a day, you can say that
194 2011-08-04 06:34:03 <RealSolid> random variation?
195 2011-08-04 06:34:16 <RealSolid> its nearly a week low
196 2011-08-04 06:34:18 <hugolp> RealSolid: btcguild is having bad luck
197 2011-08-04 06:34:23 <hugolp> for example
198 2011-08-04 06:34:39 <RealSolid> im talking about the pie graph on bitcoinwatch.com
199 2011-08-04 06:34:43 <RealSolid> and network graph
200 2011-08-04 06:36:13 <hugolp> RealSolid: me too
201 2011-08-04 06:36:29 <RealSolid> what does badluck have to do with their total hashing power?
202 2011-08-04 06:37:03 <hugolp> how do you think the speed is calculated?
203 2011-08-04 06:38:15 <RealSolid> number of shares being recvd?
204 2011-08-04 06:39:14 <hugolp> RealSolid: but only the pools know that, they could lie (to appear bigger than they are so they attract more users) and even the shares have a random compenent
205 2011-08-04 06:39:19 <hugolp> *component
206 2011-08-04 06:39:21 <RealSolid> true
207 2011-08-04 06:39:32 <RealSolid> i didnt think too much about it, so its calculated on blocks solved?
208 2011-08-04 06:39:47 <hugolp> RealSolid: I believe so.
209 2011-08-04 06:40:01 <hugolp> actually I have never confirmed it but I always assumed so
210 2011-08-04 06:40:15 <RealSolid> that seems rather unreliable
211 2011-08-04 06:40:31 <hugolp> thats why the graph has so many ups and downs
212 2011-08-04 06:40:47 <hugolp> do you think the people turn on and off their miners that much?
213 2011-08-04 06:41:01 <hugolp> if you can think on a more reliable way, Im sure everybody will be happy
214 2011-08-04 06:41:05 <RealSolid> no i just thought the individuals trying it out or whatnot comes in swings
215 2011-08-04 06:42:27 <hugolp> there is probably some of that, but I doubt changes from 10,000 Terahashs to 15,000 Terahash in the same day is people trying Bitcoin.
216 2011-08-04 06:43:06 <hugolp> there is actually no way to know how much of the changes is due to luck and how much is due to real change on speed
217 2011-08-04 06:43:19 <hugolp> thats why mtrlt said you need more time to know
218 2011-08-04 06:44:59 <RealSolid> yah
219 2011-08-04 07:09:41 <phedny_> I'm working with a friend to try out a new idea for bitcoin and we'd like to try this on the testnet.. what's the best way to get some testnet-BTC to try our ideas?
220 2011-08-04 07:12:41 <phedny_> ah, just bumped into the Testnet Faucet, didn't notice it before :)
221 2011-08-04 09:19:23 <sneak> hi
222 2011-08-04 10:17:09 <WildSoil> ;;bc,stats
223 2011-08-04 10:17:12 <gribble> Current Blocks: 139584 | Current Difficulty: 1888786.7053531 | Next Difficulty At Block: 141119 | Next Difficulty In: 1535 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 3 hours, 2 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1990972.85701868
224 2011-08-04 10:22:11 <jeremias> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2845551
225 2011-08-04 10:22:14 <jeremias> upvote plz ;)
226 2011-08-04 11:37:28 <b4epoche_> is there some place to get the raw exchange rate history?
227 2011-08-04 11:39:01 <Zoiah> b4epoche_: http://www.bitcoincharts.com/about/markets-api/
228 2011-08-04 11:39:08 <Zoiah> "Historic Trade Data"
229 2011-08-04 11:39:37 <b4epoche_> thanks
230 2011-08-04 11:39:54 <xelister> !ticker
231 2011-08-04 11:40:02 <xelister> ;;ticker
232 2011-08-04 11:40:08 <gribble> Best bid: 11, Best ask: 11.03, Bid-ask spread: 0.03, Last trade: 11, 24 hour volume: 108222, 24 hour low: 8.7, 24 hour high: 11.7
233 2011-08-04 11:51:33 <b4epoche_> hmm...
234 2011-08-04 11:51:34 <b4epoche_> http://bitcoincharts.com/t/trades.csv?symbol=mtgoxUSD&start=0
235 2011-08-04 11:51:46 <b4epoche_> is only going back a few days
236 2011-08-04 11:52:11 <b4epoche_> I'm not looking for a history of every trade, just like a 'closing' prices per day.
237 2011-08-04 11:57:14 <nanotube> b4epoche_: talk to bitcoincharts owner :P
238 2011-08-04 11:57:33 <b4epoche_> is he around here?
239 2011-08-04 11:58:26 <nanotube> b4epoche_: tcatm
240 2011-08-04 11:58:39 <b4epoche_> ah
241 2011-08-04 12:02:24 <kokjo> hi there!
242 2011-08-04 12:02:40 <nanotube> o/
243 2011-08-04 12:04:34 <kokjo> will bitcoin be able to scale worldwide? i mean will the miners be able to include all the transactions made the last 10 min? there are going to be a HUGH amount of data in every block, is this going to be a weekness for bitcoin?
244 2011-08-04 12:05:41 <lianj> yes
245 2011-08-04 12:05:42 <Zoiah> kokjo: the complexity of mining is not affected by the amount of outstanding transactions.
246 2011-08-04 12:06:38 <kokjo> Zoiah: i do know that. is it more a amount of data transfered in every block, that is the problem
247 2011-08-04 12:06:50 <lianj> Zoiah: not for the mining task, but the preparation of that task and sending out results would be a problem
248 2011-08-04 12:07:09 <kokjo> lianj: excactly
249 2011-08-04 12:09:37 <kokjo> is there a way around this weekness? would it be possible to make say 10 blockchains. with every one generating 1 block every 10min. and therefor one block every 1 min. as somesort of load-balancing?
250 2011-08-04 12:11:06 <gmaxwell> http://pident.artefact2.com/tx/b118b3f22517a295e0634818e1692915005ad3b959ce685c78e082a3916e7693  < hm, thats a rather obnoxious txn.
251 2011-08-04 12:11:39 <gmaxwell> kokjo: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Scalability
252 2011-08-04 12:11:43 <lianj> kokjo: not sure. i think on a world scale even 1 min blocks would become too large
253 2011-08-04 12:12:41 <kokjo> then make 256 chains. the transactions could also be sorted by the first byte in the tx-hash?
254 2011-08-04 12:13:56 <lianj> then the distributed agreeing part gets out of control
255 2011-08-04 12:14:03 <kokjo> esensialy generating block, is only to comfirm that something exsisted at least x time ago. and that is ensured by every block on top of another
256 2011-08-04 12:14:49 <gmaxwell> The consensus algorithim is insecure if split to excessively.
257 2011-08-04 12:15:19 <gmaxwell> In any case, go read the scalability page.
258 2011-08-04 12:15:38 <kokjo> consensus algoritm?
259 2011-08-04 12:15:46 <gmaxwell> kokjo: also, what you're suggesting wouldn't help it's the same amount of data no matter how many ways you cut it.
260 2011-08-04 12:15:58 <gmaxwell> Oh, and apparently you need to read the bitcoin paper too.
261 2011-08-04 12:17:45 <kokjo> gmaxwell: yes i would help. it would spread the load of transfering the blocks
262 2011-08-04 12:18:29 <gmaxwell> kokjo: No, it wouldn't.
263 2011-08-04 12:18:50 <gmaxwell> You can't validate a block without knowing that none of its inputs were spent in a prior block.
264 2011-08-04 12:19:11 <gmaxwell> So nodes would still need to have all the data to validate a new block.
265 2011-08-04 12:19:47 <kokjo> gmaxwell: i have read the paper. the thing that block generation is used for is to ensure that something exsisted at a specific time.
266 2011-08-04 12:20:16 <gmaxwell> Or, more importantly, didn't exist.
267 2011-08-04 12:20:31 <gmaxwell> And it's a distributed consensus algorithim for this purpose.
268 2011-08-04 12:21:00 <kokjo> of cource they need all the data. but by spreading it between 256 block, instead of just one. would make it esier the transfer.
269 2011-08-04 12:21:31 <gmaxwell> kokjo: transfering data is perfectly linear in cost.
270 2011-08-04 12:21:32 <lianj> why, you still have to fetch them all
271 2011-08-04 12:24:35 <kokjo> gmaxwell: yes the price is the same. but with 256 chains, you connection would be used a little all the time, instead of 146% in a short period of time.
272 2011-08-04 12:25:25 <gmaxwell> kokjo: then rate limit your sending of the data.
273 2011-08-04 12:26:06 <gmaxwell> (Also, if blocks grow larger there isn't any reason why it couldn't transfer them more efficiently, e.g. just the header and hashes, then refill missing transactions)
274 2011-08-04 12:26:38 <kokjo> and then the data will be delayed. making spilts and orphan blocks.
275 2011-08-04 12:27:22 <kokjo> gmaxwell: the current client does not allow transfering single "old" transactions
276 2011-08-04 12:27:42 <jrmithdobbs> ya it does it just doesn't advertise them
277 2011-08-04 12:27:53 <gmaxwell> Sure it does.
278 2011-08-04 12:28:17 <gmaxwell> In any case the current client is irrelevant.
279 2011-08-04 12:28:41 <jrmithdobbs> can i quote you (out of context) on that? ;p
280 2011-08-04 12:29:10 <kokjo> gmaxwell: true the client is irelevant. but i can't get it to transfer single "old" txs.
281 2011-08-04 12:29:13 <gmaxwell> You're proposing some very non-trivial modification to the core algorithim, surely a far simpler and completely compatible modification to the on the wire protocol is at least a viable.
282 2011-08-04 12:29:15 <kokjo> try it yourself.
283 2011-08-04 12:29:59 <kokjo> true
284 2011-08-04 12:36:37 <lianj> jrmithdobbs: no it doesnt send old transactions, at least not in my tests
285 2011-08-04 12:37:05 <lianj> people keep saying that there all the time but it does not send you old single txs
286 2011-08-04 12:37:30 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: does yubico post physical specs/tolerances anywhere? I can't find any
287 2011-08-04 12:39:06 <gmaxwell> lianj: how are you testing?
288 2011-08-04 12:49:02 <lianj> gmaxwell: i send a getdata tx for an old tx with my lib and wait for the tx reply which never comes
289 2011-08-04 12:53:55 <Blitzboom> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=34383.msg428052#new
290 2011-08-04 12:56:10 <lianj> Blitzboom: &
291 2011-08-04 12:56:23 <Blitzboom> what?
292 2011-08-04 12:56:49 <lianj> kaminsky
293 2011-08-04 13:18:45 <diki> so i requested a payout of 0.07 btc from deepbit. It's been 5+ hours and it's still 0/unconfirmed
294 2011-08-04 13:18:48 <diki> any reasons to that?
295 2011-08-04 13:28:30 <denisx> hah, I cheated the poolhoppers into my pool but my shares are already over 50% ;)
296 2011-08-04 13:28:59 <diki> hmm? cheat?
297 2011-08-04 13:29:02 <diki> do explain
298 2011-08-04 13:29:19 <denisx> the jump on the number of shares, must be low
299 2011-08-04 13:29:35 <denisx> so I faked my stats for them! ;)
300 2011-08-04 13:30:07 <diki> which pool was that again?
301 2011-08-04 13:30:31 <denisx> does not matter ;)
302 2011-08-04 13:30:38 <diki> maybe i want to join
303 2011-08-04 13:30:43 <gmaxwell> denisx: how much hash rate did you manage to gain by doing that?
304 2011-08-04 13:30:52 <denisx> 10GH/s
305 2011-08-04 13:31:00 <denisx> my pool is small, so that is a lot
306 2011-08-04 13:31:05 <gmaxwell> thats pretty good!
307 2011-08-04 13:31:18 <diki> name?
308 2011-08-04 13:31:22 <diki> i could prolly join
309 2011-08-04 13:35:38 <jtaylor> only 10 :O
310 2011-08-04 13:35:43 <jtaylor> there are around 300ghs hoppers out there
311 2011-08-04 13:36:21 <denisx> jtaylor: my pool has only 40GH/s without hoppers
312 2011-08-04 13:39:55 <jtaylor> rfcpool only has 30 when its past 50% but jumps to 200 when its lower ^^
313 2011-08-04 13:41:23 <denisx> jtaylor: and your users are not complaining?
314 2011-08-04 13:41:32 <jtaylor> its not my pool
315 2011-08-04 13:41:46 <jtaylor> but it offers pps for the non hoppers
316 2011-08-04 13:42:07 <jtaylor> + its one of the 0 stale pools which is nice too
317 2011-08-04 13:42:35 <diki> there is no such thing as a 0 stale pool
318 2011-08-04 13:42:46 <imsaguy2> yes there is, they just pay for stales
319 2011-08-04 13:42:53 <jtaylor> effectively 0
320 2011-08-04 13:42:57 <jtaylor> its 0.1% or so
321 2011-08-04 13:43:05 <diki> how much do you pay for stales?
322 2011-08-04 13:43:08 <diki> deepbit does 2 percent
323 2011-08-04 13:43:22 <jtaylor> 2% stales?
324 2011-08-04 13:43:30 <diki> pays 2 percent per stale
325 2011-08-04 13:43:41 <imsaguy2> stale shares vs stale blocks
326 2011-08-04 13:43:52 <diki> stale shares
327 2011-08-04 13:44:09 <diki> and what you just said was one and the same
328 2011-08-04 13:44:09 <jtaylor> but how many stales are there?
329 2011-08-04 13:44:17 <diki> share == block
330 2011-08-04 13:44:28 <imsaguy2> not if the pool is handing out dif 1 shares
331 2011-08-04 13:44:38 <diki> doesnt matter what it hands out
332 2011-08-04 13:44:46 <diki> the difficulty doesnt matter
333 2011-08-04 13:44:52 <jtaylor> it matters concerning the payout
334 2011-08-04 13:44:54 <diki> in fact, in phoenix it doesnt play any roles
335 2011-08-04 13:45:04 <imsaguy2> you're missing the point diki
336 2011-08-04 13:45:05 <jtaylor> a share that solves a block gets payed the same as one that does not on most pools
337 2011-08-04 13:45:15 <diki> but a share IS a block
338 2011-08-04 13:45:19 <jtaylor> no
339 2011-08-04 13:45:21 <denisx> diki: no
340 2011-08-04 13:45:24 <imsaguy2> perhaps, but in this reference its idfferent
341 2011-08-04 13:45:26 <diki> Yes it is dudes
342 2011-08-04 13:45:29 <jtaylor> only 1/diff shares solves a block
343 2011-08-04 13:45:42 <jtaylor> but a solving share is a block if you like
344 2011-08-04 13:45:44 <jtaylor> its all just words
345 2011-08-04 13:45:53 <diki> the proper word would be getwork
346 2011-08-04 13:45:56 <imsaguy2> if the pool submits a block that turns up invalid is a different set of stale than a diff 1 block that ends up being stale
347 2011-08-04 13:50:43 <diki> anywho, which pool is that jtaylor?
348 2011-08-04 13:51:18 <jtaylor> https://www.rfcpool.com/
349 2011-08-04 13:52:00 <diki> 1.5%+ donators are paid for their share of invalid blocks (even though we're not!)
350 2011-08-04 13:52:13 <diki> i dont understand this part (even though we're not!)
351 2011-08-04 13:52:35 <Caesium> an invalid block generates no BTC
352 2011-08-04 13:52:40 <Caesium> so the pool isn't paid for it.
353 2011-08-04 13:52:50 <Caesium> sorry, it's probably not clear, I'll try and reword it
354 2011-08-04 13:53:46 <Caesium> or just remove it entirely, maybe it's not needed, I guess most people know invalids generate no btc anyway
355 2011-08-04 13:54:00 <diki> but you say that you pay for invalid shares
356 2011-08-04 13:54:08 <Caesium> yep
357 2011-08-04 13:54:51 <Caesium> if you donate 1.5% (or are on PPS, in which case the block is irrelevant, you get paid per share as the name implies)
358 2011-08-04 13:56:08 <jtaylor> buhm if all proportional users are hoppers and all 24/7 use pps, does hopping actually work?
359 2011-08-04 13:56:31 <diki> deepbit should remove pps
360 2011-08-04 13:56:38 <diki> it pays sooo less for a single share
361 2011-08-04 13:56:45 <diki> it's better to remove it
362 2011-08-04 13:56:56 <Caesium> jtaylor: yeah it works but it won't affect PPSers at all.
363 2011-08-04 13:57:06 <Caesium> the hoppers just share their reward amongst each other
364 2011-08-04 13:57:41 <diki> Caesium:how exactly do you run an http server at the same time and allow mining via port 80?
365 2011-08-04 13:57:47 <diki> isn't it used by apache?
366 2011-08-04 13:57:56 <b4epoche_> ugh
367 2011-08-04 13:58:00 <Caesium> well I don't use apache for starters ;)
368 2011-08-04 13:58:12 <diki> ok, whatever server software
369 2011-08-04 13:58:24 <diki> i thought that browsers connect thru port 80 first
370 2011-08-04 13:58:27 <Caesium> the answer is fairly obvious really, check the IP for my pool dns vs my web dns :)
371 2011-08-04 13:58:30 <b4epoche_> diki:  same way you can server different pages from the same server
372 2011-08-04 13:58:49 <Caesium> I could also do that, but it'd be trickier since the getwork is on /
373 2011-08-04 13:58:53 <diki> so you redirect via user-agent?
374 2011-08-04 13:59:11 <Caesium> there's a multitude of ways to do it, that would work
375 2011-08-04 13:59:29 <diki> this is the first time i hear you can run multiple services on one port
376 2011-08-04 13:59:59 <Caesium> it's just up to nginx to decide what to do with it, and nginx has fairly powerful configuration :)
377 2011-08-04 14:04:44 <diki> you seem to like php
378 2011-08-04 14:50:40 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,mtgox
379 2011-08-04 14:50:40 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":11.39,"low":8.7,"avg":10.127112749,"vwap":10.113212884,"vol":93949,"last":10.56891,"buy":10.5553,"sell":10.56891}}
380 2011-08-04 14:50:55 <imsaguy2> a bit better today
381 2011-08-04 15:00:56 <topi`> strange how the screwup at bitomat hasn't really affected the rate any more
382 2011-08-04 15:00:58 <luke-jr> imsaguy2: inb4 it shoots up to $35
383 2011-08-04 15:01:04 <topi`> I expected a dip below $9
384 2011-08-04 15:01:28 <luke-jr> topi`: I wasn't sure what to expect. On one hand, it makes the FDIC look tempting; on the other, it increases the value of every other bitcoin
385 2011-08-04 15:01:46 <topi`> what is FDIC?
386 2011-08-04 15:01:53 <luke-jr> Federal government bank insurance
387 2011-08-04 15:01:57 <topi`> ah
388 2011-08-04 15:02:06 <imsaguy2> luke-jr, increases the rarity, but shakes confidence
389 2011-08-04 15:02:15 <imsaguy2> shh
390 2011-08-04 15:02:15 <topi`> luke-jr: I thought you were running Eligius. but why does Eligius get listed as "german"?
391 2011-08-04 15:02:21 <imsaguy2> matt in da house!
392 2011-08-04 15:02:26 <luke-jr> topi`: that's where the server is
393 2011-08-04 15:02:34 <topi`> luke-jr: so it's not in your garage :)
394 2011-08-04 15:02:45 <imsaguy2> gonna lose the wallet in a few weeks luke-jr?
395 2011-08-04 15:02:48 <imsaguy2> :-x
396 2011-08-04 15:02:57 <imsaguy2> "oops"
397 2011-08-04 15:03:15 <topi`> luke pays out every 0.33 btc or higher, so I doubt eligius' wallet matters much
398 2011-08-04 15:03:48 <imsaguy2> multiply .33 out by every miner (sure not everyone has .33 but still)
399 2011-08-04 15:04:00 <imsaguy2> a decent chunk of change
400 2011-08-04 15:04:09 <luke-jr> imsaguy2: I know how to backup.
401 2011-08-04 15:04:37 <luke-jr> topi`: Eligius wallet has 691 BTC
402 2011-08-04 15:05:36 <topi`> ok
403 2011-08-04 15:05:44 <topi`> well, a lot less than 17000 BTC :)
404 2011-08-04 15:06:08 <topi`> I laughed my ass off when I read the story about bitomat ;)
405 2011-08-04 15:06:23 <topi`> how on earth didn't they have any "real" backups aside of the stupid cloud?
406 2011-08-04 15:06:31 <copumpkin> dude, the cloud
407 2011-08-04 15:06:33 <copumpkin> it's webscale
408 2011-08-04 15:06:39 <copumpkin> don't question the cloud dude
409 2011-08-04 15:06:56 <upb> :D
410 2011-08-04 15:07:50 <phedny_> will the following scriptPubKey work for a situation where a sender wants to send "coins to himself", but at the same time broadcasting a proof he possesses a certain private key: OP_CODESEPARATOR <pubKey> <sigA> OP_OVER OP_2SWAP OP_CHECKSIGVERIFY OP_CHECKSIG (and redeeming the output with scriptSig: <sig>), where <sig> and <sigA> are different, <sigA> demonstrating the possession of the private key
411 2011-08-04 15:35:40 <luke-jr> phedny_: & don't do that :P
412 2011-08-04 15:35:45 <luke-jr> it's abuse of the block chain
413 2011-08-04 15:36:40 <phedny_> well.. it'll be part of our plan that should ultimately lead to a distributed exchange :)
414 2011-08-04 15:39:40 <gmaxwell> phedny_: thats daft.
415 2011-08-04 15:40:17 <gmaxwell> Just sign a message with the private key and don't spam the universe with megabytes of data that must be preserved forever.
416 2011-08-04 15:40:22 <luke-jr> phedny_: distributed exchange already exists without that nonsense
417 2011-08-04 15:40:49 <kish`> Bitcoin: Cannot obtain a lock on data directory /home/ly/.bitcoin.  Bitcoin is probably already running.
418 2011-08-04 15:40:53 <kish`> you guys...
419 2011-08-04 15:41:11 <phedny_> luke-jr: ah, nice.. can you point me to how that works?
420 2011-08-04 15:41:21 <luke-jr> phedny_: /j #bitcoin-otc
421 2011-08-04 15:47:21 <mtrlt> -otc is too manual though :p
422 2011-08-04 15:53:15 <lfm> kish`: ya, either bitcoin(d) is already running or last time you ran it is crashes spectacularly
423 2011-08-04 16:03:16 <mologie> or evil unicorns changed the lock file's permissions to 000 - if there is really no bitcoin process running, there is no reason why a new process would be unable to aquire a handle to the lock file
424 2011-08-04 16:06:32 <lfm> maybe you had just told it to stop and it was taking its usual long time shutting down
425 2011-08-04 16:20:42 <diki> so
426 2011-08-04 16:20:52 <diki> my client is stuck at 139597 blocks
427 2011-08-04 16:20:57 <diki> any ideas why it's not updating
428 2011-08-04 16:21:06 <lfm> diki do you have 0.3.24?
429 2011-08-04 16:21:12 <diki> and there one tx thats been unconfirmed for hours
430 2011-08-04 16:21:14 <diki> yes lfm
431 2011-08-04 16:21:15 <diki> latest
432 2011-08-04 16:21:21 <lfm> and how many connections does it have?
433 2011-08-04 16:21:27 <diki> 11
434 2011-08-04 16:21:33 <diki> tho i usually have 50 or more
435 2011-08-04 16:21:36 <lfm> ;;bc,blocks
436 2011-08-04 16:21:37 <gribble> 139610
437 2011-08-04 16:21:52 <diki> i restarted the client and even with -rescan
438 2011-08-04 16:21:56 <diki> no dice
439 2011-08-04 16:23:10 <lfm> do you use any -addnode= args?
440 2011-08-04 16:23:28 <diki> nope
441 2011-08-04 16:24:02 <lfm> try stop ; delete addr.dat then restart
442 2011-08-04 16:27:37 <diki> got to 139601 blocks
443 2011-08-04 16:27:44 <diki> but my tx which was from a few hours ago
444 2011-08-04 16:27:48 <diki> hasnt been confirmed
445 2011-08-04 16:28:03 <lfm> you still got anothe 9 blocks to catch up
446 2011-08-04 16:28:14 <lfm> ;;bc,blocks
447 2011-08-04 16:28:15 <gribble> 139610
448 2011-08-04 16:28:20 <diki> ah
449 2011-08-04 16:28:23 <diki> got a confirm
450 2011-08-04 16:28:25 <diki> finally
451 2011-08-04 16:28:33 <lfm> there ya go
452 2011-08-04 16:28:34 <diki> i wonder for how long i was outta symc
453 2011-08-04 16:28:37 <diki> *sync
454 2011-08-04 16:30:23 <lfm> Block #139597 2011-08-04 15:06:32 was where you were hung
455 2011-08-04 16:30:34 <lfm> that UTC
456 2011-08-04 16:31:13 <lfm> so almost 3.5 hours
457 2011-08-04 16:31:54 <diki> i made the tx before that i think
458 2011-08-04 16:31:58 <diki> like waaay before that
459 2011-08-04 16:32:46 <lfm> what tx was it if you dont mind me asking?
460 2011-08-04 16:33:14 <lfm> to addr:?
461 2011-08-04 16:33:33 <diki> seems like it's tycho's fault
462 2011-08-04 16:33:46 <diki> requested payout and the tx took a lot of time to get included in a block
463 2011-08-04 16:33:57 <diki> seems other people have the problem -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=34064.0
464 2011-08-04 16:35:11 <Darnoth> Heh not including transaction fee will have a huge impact on time it takes you to transfer right now.
465 2011-08-04 16:36:43 <Raccoon> hmm
466 2011-08-04 16:37:09 <Raccoon> could someone write a script that pulls the block difficulty for each block into a csv
467 2011-08-04 16:37:19 <Raccoon> along with the timestamp of each block
468 2011-08-04 16:38:50 <Raccoon> i'd like to match block difficulty against mtgox bids, and work out a $USD per hash
469 2011-08-04 16:39:02 <Raccoon> graph it
470 2011-08-04 16:39:12 <lfm> Raccoon: ya, actually there are 2016 of each difficulty, you need all the repeats?
471 2011-08-04 16:39:37 <Raccoon> i suppose the key blocks alone would be fine
472 2011-08-04 16:40:10 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Matt Corallo master * r9181500 / (share/uiproject.fbp src/uibase.cpp): Make it clear that setting proxy requires restart to fully apply. - http://bit.ly/qJe7CC https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/918150048a1d677731ab7f2b3f59fa9a7401d435
473 2011-08-04 16:40:11 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik master * r32de8cd / (share/uiproject.fbp src/init.cpp src/uibase.cpp): Merge pull request #451 from TheBlueMatt/tornolisten ... https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/32de8cd062df3df5c34922d262484b934024eb06
474 2011-08-04 16:40:51 <Caesium> Raccoon: blockexplorer has done that for you
475 2011-08-04 16:40:54 <Caesium> see q/nethash
476 2011-08-04 16:40:57 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik master * r95699e1 / src/net.cpp : Merge pull request #446 from WakiMiko/upnp-desc ... https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/95699e1730e80ecaea8f617ef3ea231fdcde2f44
477 2011-08-04 16:40:59 <Raccoon> they have?
478 2011-08-04 16:41:11 <Caesium> http://blockexplorer.com/q/nethash
479 2011-08-04 16:41:38 <lfm> Raccoon: http://pastebin.com/4REKrZ0V
480 2011-08-04 16:43:35 <Raccoon> thanks
481 2011-08-04 16:43:51 <Raccoon> has anyone already graphed against market trading then?
482 2011-08-04 16:44:56 <lfm> I think ArtForzz used to do that but mainly just for himself
483 2011-08-04 16:45:19 <BlueMatt> there was a google spreadsheet which did it easily not too long ago
484 2011-08-04 16:45:25 <BlueMatt> well like a couple months ago
485 2011-08-04 16:46:26 <Raccoon> was there any useful corrilation to indicate a matching increase or decrease in bids or mining as the other rose/dipped?
486 2011-08-04 16:47:05 <Raccoon> or is mining on an unending incline?
487 2011-08-04 16:47:06 <lfm> well mining directly influences difficulty with the 2 week delay
488 2011-08-04 16:47:18 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik master * reb20f3c / src/rpc.cpp : Merge pull request #448 from sipa/cbitcoinaddress ... https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/eb20f3c8f5258076d195176ac589a869a9f24708
489 2011-08-04 16:47:26 <mekel> anyone can give me some advice on day trading? im looking into margin accounts and short selling its a bit confusing
490 2011-08-04 16:47:31 <Raccoon> we haven't seen a difficulty drop yet?
491 2011-08-04 16:47:46 <lfm> yes we have seen difficulty drops twice
492 2011-08-04 16:48:01 <lfm> pretty small ones
493 2011-08-04 16:48:05 <Raccoon> ok
494 2011-08-04 16:48:07 <BlueMatt> mekel: not really the place
495 2011-08-04 16:48:29 <mekel> yea i know bluematt, i just figured this would be the place to find the most knowledgeable peopel
496 2011-08-04 16:48:47 <BlueMatt> about that...not so sure, maybe -otc
497 2011-08-04 16:49:04 <mekel> alright ill check out over there bud
498 2011-08-04 17:15:21 <CIA-103> bitcoin: various rpc-api-ver * re4be8d..f23f9a bitcoind-personal/ (78 files in 23 dirs): (181 commits) http://tinyurl.com/3dcxkt8
499 2011-08-04 17:22:16 <CIA-103> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik master * rbd1e54b / src/util.h : Merge branch 'tmp2' - http://bit.ly/rq3Byd https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/bd1e54bc0b7f1bdfc571edf1f4f1ecf422260b8c
500 2011-08-04 17:37:45 <luke-jr> there jgarzik goes reinventing things :P
501 2011-08-04 17:38:44 <imsaguy2> not much change to that one
502 2011-08-04 17:39:27 <luke-jr> no, but I made a branch just to simplify the merging of it already :P
503 2011-08-04 17:44:38 <BlueMatt> no, hes pulling the commit of the original author
504 2011-08-04 17:44:42 <BlueMatt> ie not your copied one
505 2011-08-04 17:44:55 <imsaguy2> he was the author :-x
506 2011-08-04 17:44:58 <aviadbd> hey guys
507 2011-08-04 17:44:59 <BlueMatt> so...giving the proper commit author
508 2011-08-04 17:45:11 <BlueMatt> on that commit?
509 2011-08-04 17:45:18 <aviadbd> well, figured out my problem earlier where i couldn't send a non-correct job to Eligius
510 2011-08-04 17:45:23 <aviadbd> (using "getwork" method)
511 2011-08-04 17:45:27 <imsaguy2> the very last one CIA-103 showed
512 2011-08-04 17:45:30 <imsaguy2> yeah
513 2011-08-04 17:45:43 <BlueMatt> luke was the author of the dedup stuff, that commit was joel
514 2011-08-04 17:45:50 <BlueMatt> that bug was joel
515 2011-08-04 17:46:03 <aviadbd> but - i have a question. Now I'm sending an incorrect job to Eligius and the response I'm getting is error code -4, "upstream RPC error" or something like that.
516 2011-08-04 17:46:08 <aviadbd> does that sound reasonable?
517 2011-08-04 17:46:18 <aviadbd> it has nothing to do with the real problem as far as i can see...
518 2011-08-04 17:48:00 <BlueMatt> nope, that last one CIA showed was joel's original work
519 2011-08-04 17:48:08 <BlueMatt> luke wrote the getwork dedup fix
520 2011-08-04 17:48:25 <diki> i heard that sdk 2.5 is shit
521 2011-08-04 17:48:54 <diki> something about a spinlock too
522 2011-08-04 17:59:10 <m03sizlak> hey, ive launched a HTML5 bitcoin blackjack site, check it out  http://bitjack21.com
523 2011-08-04 18:07:26 <ahbritto> Where can I find out about multisend?
524 2011-08-04 18:07:41 <lfm> try bitcoind help
525 2011-08-04 18:08:04 <lfm> sendmany <fromaccount> {address:amount,...} [minconf=1] [comment]
526 2011-08-04 18:08:12 <ahbritto> Thank you! =D
527 2011-08-04 18:17:11 <gjs278> ;;bc,stats
528 2011-08-04 18:17:13 <gribble> Current Blocks: 139621 | Current Difficulty: 1888786.7053531 | Next Difficulty At Block: 141119 | Next Difficulty In: 1498 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 1 hour, 45 minutes, and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1952990.95982095
529 2011-08-04 18:21:28 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: ah, I forgot to do that bit
530 2011-08-04 18:22:45 <luke-jr> actually, he only got half of the bugfix :x
531 2011-08-04 18:23:13 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: actually, he forgot it too
532 2011-08-04 18:24:00 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: also, I *did* set the right Author
533 2011-08-04 18:24:04 <luke-jr> fail
534 2011-08-04 18:25:45 <BlueMatt> well since you never tell anyone about your branches, no one ever sees them
535 2011-08-04 18:25:52 <luke-jr> I did
536 2011-08-04 18:26:55 <luke-jr> Message-Id: <201107101442.43605.luke@dashjr.org>
537 2011-08-04 18:27:03 <luke-jr> Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Useful bitcoin patches&
538 2011-08-04 18:27:11 <luke-jr> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 14:42:41 -0400
539 2011-08-04 18:29:09 <luke-jr> I'll send out a reminder&
540 2011-08-04 18:34:32 <BlueMatt> he didnt rewrite anything
541 2011-08-04 18:34:41 <BlueMatt> he pulled from joel's repo
542 2011-08-04 18:34:47 <luke-jr> no he didn't.
543 2011-08-04 18:34:49 <luke-jr> he rewrote it
544 2011-08-04 18:34:52 <luke-jr> read the commit
545 2011-08-04 18:34:54 <BlueMatt> look at github
546 2011-08-04 18:35:01 <BlueMatt> its a merge commit
547 2011-08-04 18:35:01 <luke-jr> I did
548 2011-08-04 18:35:06 <BlueMatt> ie he merged someone's commit
549 2011-08-04 18:35:08 <luke-jr> a merge of a branch HE wrote
550 2011-08-04 18:35:13 <BlueMatt> and if you scroll down, there is joel's patch
551 2011-08-04 18:35:21 <BlueMatt> yes, he had to merge one commit, so he made his own branch
552 2011-08-04 18:35:23 <luke-jr> last I checked, Joel doesn't even *have* a repo
553 2011-08-04 18:35:30 <BlueMatt> yes he does
554 2011-08-04 18:35:53 <BlueMatt> https://github.com/JoelKatz/bitcoin
555 2011-08-04 18:36:08 <BlueMatt> and the actual commit: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/67ed7d9d4929d8fe1c5f976c184c72dff02d83b7
556 2011-08-04 18:36:15 <BlueMatt> aka not jgarzik's
557 2011-08-04 18:42:46 <BlueMatt> nfc
558 2011-08-04 18:43:04 <luke-jr> I think the other half has no practical effects, so oh well
559 2011-08-04 18:43:26 <BlueMatt> then that would probably be why
560 2011-08-04 20:46:04 <b4epoche_> do bitcoin devs like their facial hair as much as ios jailbreak devs?  http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/1107/bearding.whisker.wars/content.1.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_bf1_a5
561 2011-08-04 20:54:01 <BlueMatt> my god
562 2011-08-04 20:54:37 <BlueMatt> and to answer your question...afaik none of them have a large beard
563 2011-08-04 20:58:17 <b4epoche_> must be an iOS thing...
564 2011-08-04 22:20:36 <CIA-103> libbitcoin: Eric Hopper * r4d96ac..9f154c / (35 files in 10 dirs): (5 commits) http://tinyurl.com/3vnjz6l
565 2011-08-04 23:36:50 <luke-jr> how do I get bitcoind to not try to connect to other nodes? -.-
566 2011-08-04 23:38:04 <upb> i did it by using -noirc and patching out the hardcoded addresses
567 2011-08-04 23:38:28 <upb> hmm now it also has this dns stuff
568 2011-08-04 23:43:38 <JackStorm> luke-jr:  not connect? or not try at all, not connect, you could just point it to an invalid proxyAddress
569 2011-08-04 23:44:43 <luke-jr> -connect works
570 2011-08-04 23:45:34 <JackStorm> yeah looking at the code, -connect, proxy as well as nolisten should all work
571 2011-08-04 23:45:52 <imsaguy> or just firewall off the port
572 2011-08-04 23:46:09 <imsaguy> its still trying, but no connections