1 2011-08-15 00:26:16 <CIA-101> poolserverj: shadders * b8ced500a262 r23 /changelog.txt: 0.2.7 changelog
  2 2011-08-15 00:39:44 <nanotube> b4epoche_: volunteering me for interviews? :)
  3 2011-08-15 00:41:37 <Graet> only audio ones nanotube ;)
  4 2011-08-15 00:42:34 <nanotube> hehe
  5 2011-08-15 00:46:59 <b4epoche_> yea, no video for nanotube
  6 2011-08-15 00:47:15 <Graet> I pay btc to anyone that gives my pool favourable publicity in interviews
  7 2011-08-15 00:47:20 <Graet> j/k
  8 2011-08-15 00:47:45 <b4epoche_> and what pool is that?
  9 2011-08-15 00:48:05 <Graet> ozco.in
 10 2011-08-15 00:48:07 <nefario> this doods pool was pretty good
 11 2011-08-15 00:48:13 <nefario> clean water
 12 2011-08-15 00:48:14 <nefario> now
 13 2011-08-15 00:48:16 <nefario> payup
 14 2011-08-15 00:48:36 <b4epoche_> I don't swim in your toilet, please don't piss in my pool
 15 2011-08-15 00:54:56 <Graet> good call
 16 2011-08-15 01:02:52 <andyroo> !ticker
 17 2011-08-15 01:03:13 <andyroo> ;;ticker
 18 2011-08-15 01:03:24 <gribble> Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
 19 2011-08-15 01:04:24 <andyroo> !ticker
 20 2011-08-15 01:05:23 <andyroo> ;;ticker
 21 2011-08-15 01:05:24 <gribble> Best bid: 11.03, Best ask: 11.088, Bid-ask spread: 0.058, Last trade: 11.0014, 24 hour volume: 42532, 24 hour low: 9.62, 24 hour high: 11.24
 22 2011-08-15 01:15:09 <upb> hrm, is there a way to embed a public key into a gpg clearsigned message ?
 23 2011-08-15 01:15:31 <upb> wondering whther theres any way to exploit this heh
 24 2011-08-15 01:15:33 <upb> if(strpos($buf,"Good signature from "MyBitcoin LLC (SCI Verification Key) <nobody@mybitcoin.com>"")>0) return true; //signature is authentic
 25 2011-08-15 01:15:54 <nanotube> upb: yes, you can ebmed anything into the message you're clearsigning. and no, that doesn't change anything
 26 2011-08-15 01:16:30 <nanotube> unless you do something silly like validating the result by grepping the output for string :P
 27 2011-08-15 01:16:30 <upb> lol sure
 28 2011-08-15 01:16:41 <andyroo> major action on gox, hit 11.45
 29 2011-08-15 01:16:47 <andyroo> ;;ticker
 30 2011-08-15 01:16:47 <upb> i was hoping you could embed the public key so it would be used
 31 2011-08-15 01:16:48 <gribble> Best bid: 11.5, Best ask: 11.54999, Bid-ask spread: 0.04999, Last trade: 11.5, 24 hour volume: 46251, 24 hour low: 9.62, 24 hour high: 11.54999
 32 2011-08-15 01:16:54 <upb> because with this you could do stuff like
 33 2011-08-15 01:16:55 <upb> gpg: BAD signature from "Good signature from "MyBitcoin LLC (SCI Verification Key) <nobody@mybitcoin.com>"
 34 2011-08-15 01:17:05 <upb> if the key was known it would pass
 35 2011-08-15 01:22:46 <Backburn> someone found a huge memory bug in the bitcoin server: bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=37182.0
 36 2011-08-15 01:24:53 <upb> :)
 37 2011-08-15 01:25:22 <asher^> what is the likely issue if bitcoind does not respond to a getinfo request but responds to other requests?
 38 2011-08-15 01:35:32 <doublec> you probably don't have the full blockchain
 39 2011-08-15 01:35:35 <doublec> and it's still downloading
 40 2011-08-15 01:35:55 <asher^> yeah it stopped getting it.. i think because i got an invalid block
 41 2011-08-15 01:35:56 <asher^> :(
 42 2011-08-15 01:37:30 <nanotube> upb: good code actually checks for actual gpg status codes and key id, rather than parsing strings.
 43 2011-08-15 01:37:36 <upb> yep
 44 2011-08-15 01:44:31 <accel> can a standard dual core cpu
 45 2011-08-15 01:44:38 <accel> do 1Million  sha256 hashes / second?
 46 2011-08-15 01:45:06 <RealSolid> do you need a botnet mining calculator?
 47 2011-08-15 01:46:17 <nanotube> accel: yes
 48 2011-08-15 01:46:19 <accel> a botnet minign calculator would be nice
 49 2011-08-15 01:46:22 <accel> but I would prefer a botnet instead
 50 2011-08-15 01:47:52 <upb> you didnt answer tho, is it or is it not possible to embed the signing public key into the clearsigned message_
 51 2011-08-15 01:47:58 <upb> nanotube:
 52 2011-08-15 01:48:23 <nanotube> upb: i did answer you. <nanotube> upb: yes, you can ebmed anything into the message you're clearsigning.
 53 2011-08-15 01:48:35 <nanotube> an ascii-armored public key is just data
 54 2011-08-15 01:48:38 <nanotube> you can clearsign any data
 55 2011-08-15 01:48:43 <upb> obviously i'm asking about embedding it in a way that it would get used
 56 2011-08-15 01:48:45 <nanotube> ergo, you can include your public key into the data
 57 2011-08-15 01:49:14 <nanotube> if you mean by getting it "used automagically by gpg when verifying signature" then i believe the answer is 'no'
 58 2011-08-15 01:49:19 <upb> ok
 59 2011-08-15 01:49:39 <nanotube> but i'm not 100pct sure in that regard
 60 2011-08-15 01:49:56 <nanotube> that said, just embedding it should be sufficient to let a user import it and then use it.
 61 2011-08-15 01:50:04 <upb> imo there would be nothing 'magic' in it, its standard practise in xmldsig etc
 62 2011-08-15 01:50:06 <nanotube> in a more manual fashion (or via a script)
 63 2011-08-15 01:50:18 <upb> i'm just not familiar with gpg :)
 64 2011-08-15 01:51:50 <sacarlson> ;;bc,calcd 280 0.062
 65 2011-08-15 01:51:51 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 280 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 0.062, is 15 minutes and 51 seconds
 66 2011-08-15 01:52:49 <nanotube> upb: something like grep -P <regexp to look for start and end of public key headers and grab everything in between> signaturefile | gpg --import && gpg --verify signaturefile
 67 2011-08-15 01:52:51 <nanotube> should do it
 68 2011-08-15 01:53:17 <accel> does bitcoin addresses use rsa or elgamal?
 69 2011-08-15 01:53:17 <upb> sure, but thats not applicable in this case
 70 2011-08-15 01:53:53 <nanotube> accel: ECDSA
 71 2011-08-15 01:55:42 <sacarlson> ;;bc,calcd 280 0.010
 72 2011-08-15 01:55:43 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 280 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 0.010, is 2 minutes and 33 seconds
 73 2011-08-15 01:56:02 <nanotube> upb: what case is that? i guess i don't really know what you're asking this for :)
 74 2011-08-15 01:56:13 <upb> oh
 75 2011-08-15 01:56:20 <upb> 15 06:15 < upb> wondering whther theres any way to exploit this heh
 76 2011-08-15 01:57:12 <nanotube> upb: what's in $buf ?
 77 2011-08-15 01:57:24 <upb> it does gpg --verify and buf is the stdout and stderr concatenated
 78 2011-08-15 01:57:42 <Plasma-> upb, id look at the manual page for the app (pgp?) your calling, surely you can find out if the key is valid etc programatically
 79 2011-08-15 01:57:45 <Plasma-> (ie without parsing)
 80 2011-08-15 01:58:02 <upb> right, this is not my code but mybitcoin.coms
 81 2011-08-15 01:58:04 <Plasma-> also, never any harm in testing your theory (ie try and includea message in $buf)
 82 2011-08-15 01:58:08 <Plasma-> ah right
 83 2011-08-15 01:58:11 <Plasma-> link ?
 84 2011-08-15 01:58:38 <upb> mbc-sci-toolkit-1.2.tar.bz2 , dunno the url
 85 2011-08-15 01:59:42 <Plasma-> oh, is this the sites source code (that got exploited)?
 86 2011-08-15 02:01:25 <nanotube> upb: ah well... assuming you don't do any automatic key imports or refreshes, and know exactly what keys in your keyring have which uids, should be fine. otherwise, any number of keys can have the same uid.
 87 2011-08-15 02:01:46 <upb> i see
 88 2011-08-15 02:02:37 <nanotube> e.g., you could make one with uid of "MyBitcoin LLC (SCI Verification Key) <nobody@mybitcoin.com>" yourself, if you wanted to.
 89 2011-08-15 02:13:23 <CIA-101> poolserverj: shadders * f02487915719 r25 / (5 files in 3 dirs): - implement 'include' in properties to allow seperation of config blocks for easy changeover
 90 2011-08-15 04:42:03 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 800 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 0.24236496, is 21 minutes and 41 seconds
 91 2011-08-15 04:42:03 <sacarlson> ;;bc,calcd 800 0.24236496
 92 2011-08-15 06:01:32 <Joric> wtf i went from vacation just to find out mybitcoin is bancrupt
 93 2011-08-15 06:01:44 <Joric> lost 51% of my entire savings
 94 2011-08-15 06:02:06 <jeremias> :(
 95 2011-08-15 06:02:11 <jeremias> never trust e-wallets
 96 2011-08-15 06:02:31 <jeremias> best place to store your bitcoins is on your hard drive encrypted
 97 2011-08-15 06:02:39 <jeremias> and backups in dropbox or something
 98 2011-08-15 06:03:04 <Joric> i thought it would survive 2 weeks
 99 2011-08-15 06:03:06 <Joric> but no
100 2011-08-15 06:04:07 <gjs278> I thought mtgox bought them and assumed the debt
101 2011-08-15 06:04:37 <Joric> looks like they only refund 49% currently
102 2011-08-15 06:04:41 <gjs278> oh
103 2011-08-15 06:04:47 <gjs278> they bought
104 2011-08-15 06:04:48 <gjs278> bitomat.pl
105 2011-08-15 06:04:50 <gjs278> not mybitcoin
106 2011-08-15 06:04:55 <gjs278> be polish next time I guess
107 2011-08-15 06:07:03 <ThomasV> Joric: you still have 49%, you should be happy
108 2011-08-15 06:07:29 <mabus> best place to store your wallet is with me
109 2011-08-15 06:07:29 <ThomasV> and praise tom williams for he is good
110 2011-08-15 06:08:07 <jeremias> if you want secure storage for your wallet, jsut send it to me
111 2011-08-15 06:08:10 <Joric> hope he tore the SCI programmer's ass to pieces
112 2011-08-15 06:08:12 <jeremias> i will secure it
113 2011-08-15 06:08:13 <gjs278> I've had 20 coins jacked from me during a bad trade but the guy ended up being fired because I figured out his work email
114 2011-08-15 06:08:24 <gjs278> and his boss made him pay back 4 of the coins
115 2011-08-15 06:09:27 <Joric> unless he programmed it himself
116 2011-08-15 06:10:07 <ThomasV> he probably did everything himself
117 2011-08-15 06:10:25 <ThomasV> the website, the press release, perhaps even the scam
118 2011-08-15 06:11:34 <Joric> what a bright guy
119 2011-08-15 06:12:45 <ThomasV> well, actually I do not think he is the thief, but I would not bet on it
120 2011-08-15 06:19:43 <Joric> how close is it to calling this a perfect crime?
121 2011-08-15 06:20:26 <cacheson> Joric: not as perfect as you might think
122 2011-08-15 06:21:09 <cacheson> some folks worked pretty hard at tracking him down, came very close but fell short of concrete proof that the guy they found was actually tom williams
123 2011-08-15 06:23:16 <ThomasV> cacheson: who ?
124 2011-08-15 06:23:42 <ThomasV> cacheson: how did they track him ?
125 2011-08-15 06:23:47 <cacheson> http://bitcoin.crimeunit.net/wiki/index.php/MyBitcoin
126 2011-08-15 06:24:28 <Joric> hehe "bitcoin police"
127 2011-08-15 06:24:41 <ThomasV> did somebody investigate the blockchain ?
128 2011-08-15 06:25:14 <Joric> bitcoin squad, starring Leslie Nielsen
129 2011-08-15 06:25:22 <mabus> too soon
130 2011-08-15 06:25:25 <cacheson> ThomasV: not sure, I don't think there was much to go on
131 2011-08-15 06:25:26 <mabus> RIP
132 2011-08-15 06:25:45 <mabus> ThomasVV
133 2011-08-15 06:25:54 <mabus> AMONG US
134 2011-08-15 06:26:12 <cacheson> tom williams did contact them and did some transfers to prove that he still controlled a significant number of the coins
135 2011-08-15 06:26:35 <cacheson> Joric: yeah, I thought it sounded kinda silly, but they seemed to get decent results
136 2011-08-15 06:26:46 <ThomasV> yes, but the stolen coins should be tracked in the blockchain
137 2011-08-15 06:27:14 <cacheson> they'd need tom's help with that, I think
138 2011-08-15 06:27:19 <ThomasV> no
139 2011-08-15 06:27:32 <ThomasV> they need to provide addresses
140 2011-08-15 06:28:10 <cacheson> for all I know they're still working on it
141 2011-08-15 06:28:29 <cacheson> I stopped following the situation once the claims site went up
142 2011-08-15 06:28:48 <ThomasV> I'm going to setup a blockexplorer clone, where you can track stolen coins
143 2011-08-15 06:32:12 <Joric> did anyone manage to download blocks using GAE? are there any nodes that send blocks via http request? i just wanted to draw some charts
144 2011-08-15 06:42:25 <tcatm> Joric: try bbe: http://blockexplorer.com/rawblock/00000000000004cdf0443fc9070e755c01739d7c1ff83fc0d819803b25095862
145 2011-08-15 06:42:57 <Joric> yeah looks like the cheapest solution is to upload most of the blockchain manually then download remaining from the blockexplorer
146 2011-08-15 06:43:44 <Joric> not very nice, but working
147 2011-08-15 06:43:58 <ThomasV> Joric: did you try abe ?
148 2011-08-15 06:44:18 <ThomasV> it is slow, but it creates a relational database
149 2011-08-15 06:44:34 <Joric> i mentioned GAE, not a regular hosting
150 2011-08-15 06:45:02 <kreal-> ;;seen Myckel
151 2011-08-15 06:45:03 <gribble> Myckel was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 15 weeks, 0 days, 19 hours, 57 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <Myckel> I mean very short term (like in next hour)
152 2011-08-15 06:45:12 <kreal-> meh
153 2011-08-15 07:10:14 <makomk> Ant idea what happened to http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=37182.0? Are the forum admins deleting information about Bitcoin bugs now?
154 2011-08-15 07:11:37 <tcatm> makomk: what was is about?
155 2011-08-15 07:12:37 <makomk> Supposedly about a memory bug of some kind in Bitcoin; I didn't manage to actually read it.
156 2011-08-15 07:13:27 <doublec> makomk: it was a picture of an insect in a computer
157 2011-08-15 07:13:40 <doublec> makomk: ie. a joke
158 2011-08-15 07:14:23 <makomk> Ah. I do wish the forum moderators wouldn't do that; it's impossible to tell it's a joke if it's been deleted, and since they deleted the (genuine!) post about the Mt Gox password database being deleted...
159 2011-08-15 07:14:49 <makomk> Database being leaked, even.
160 2011-08-15 07:17:24 <tcatm> makomk: important stuff is discussed on the mailinglist
161 2011-08-15 08:10:49 <epscy> ;;bc,stats
162 2011-08-15 08:10:51 <gribble> Current Blocks: 141053 | Current Difficulty: 1888786.7053531 | Next Difficulty At Block: 141119 | Next Difficulty In: 66 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 11 hours, 27 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1816506.16336241
163 2011-08-15 09:21:34 <shLONG> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-bVOxD7aYo
164 2011-08-15 09:35:20 <Paas__> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=printpage;topic=4137.0
165 2011-08-15 09:35:27 <Paas__> guys, i got the same problem as this guy: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=printpage;topic=4137.0 i cant find my wallet.dat. i installt bitcoin on my other user account first, and there i can a find the folder but now i installt bitcoin again on another user account to make a new wallet and there is no folder.. someone??
166 2011-08-15 09:51:17 <Paas__> Sreynich-Sins-MacBook-Pro:~ jasperpaas$ ln -s /Volumes/Sony_8GP/Bitcoin_Backup.dmg ~/Users/jasperpaas/Library/Application Support/Bitcoin\n1546032
167 2011-08-15 09:51:31 <Paas__> hey guys i just typed this in terminal to symlink my backup to my application, i didnt get any respond back from the terminal does this mean it worked?
168 2011-08-15 09:51:57 <Paas__> can someone help me with this please?
169 2011-08-15 10:02:14 <Paas__> Paas__: Sreynich-Sins-MacBook-Pro:~ jasperpaas$ ln -s /Volumes/Sony_8GP/Bitcoin_Backup.dmg ~/Users/jasperpaas/Library/Application Support/Bitcoin\n1546087
170 2011-08-15 11:06:29 <asher^> im compiling bitcoind, its been stuck on main.cpp for 5-10 mins. is that usual, or is it likely that its frozen?
171 2011-08-15 11:08:57 <doublec> sounds frozen
172 2011-08-15 11:09:10 <asher^> heh it just ticked over to the next file
173 2011-08-15 11:09:19 <asher^> doing this on a small instance, its probably why
174 2011-08-15 11:09:49 <doublec> you haven't hit the file that takes the longest yet :)
175 2011-08-15 11:14:04 <kinlo> asher^: if main.cpp takes that long, wait until you're at rcp.cpp
176 2011-08-15 11:14:11 <kinlo> that's the biggest file and takes the longest
177 2011-08-15 11:30:13 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * r4e4856..cac54f cgminer/ (ocl.h miner.h ocl.c main.c): (7 commits)
178 2011-08-15 11:31:04 <Joric> Like I said earlier. We are not amateurs. In fact,
179 2011-08-15 11:31:05 <Joric> combined we have over 30 years of experience in the payment
180 2011-08-15 11:31:17 <Joric> -- Tom Williams, mybitcoin.com
181 2011-08-15 11:36:47 <kreal-> asher^ a micro amazon ec2 instance?
182 2011-08-15 11:37:27 <asher^> kreal- rackspace
183 2011-08-15 11:37:31 <kreal-> ok
184 2011-08-15 11:37:34 <kreal-> nevermind then
185 2011-08-15 11:37:39 <asher^> its still compiling o_O
186 2011-08-15 11:38:22 <BlueMatt> ;;seen gavinandresen
187 2011-08-15 11:38:22 <gribble> gavinandresen was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 2 days, 14 hours, 41 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <gavinandresen> (when I wasn't enjoying the beach...)
188 2011-08-15 11:41:19 <Joric> i just came from the beach, got a nice tan and 49% of my bitcoins
189 2011-08-15 11:41:59 <Joric> didn't expect mybitcoin will blow up while i'm on vacation
190 2011-08-15 11:45:34 <b4epoche_> I guess Google just became a competitor to all their licensees&  I'm interested to better understand their (and see if they have a) plan
191 2011-08-15 11:54:23 <asher^> still compiling :-| this is ridiculous
192 2011-08-15 11:54:39 <b4epoche_> compiling what?
193 2011-08-15 11:55:00 <asher^> bitcoind
194 2011-08-15 11:55:13 <b4epoche_> on a vps?
195 2011-08-15 11:55:16 <asher^> stuck on rpc.cpp
196 2011-08-15 11:55:30 <b4epoche_> yea, rpc and main can take forever
197 2011-08-15 11:55:37 <b4epoche_> I think net.cpp can too
198 2011-08-15 11:55:44 <asher^> like 45 mins on this file so far
199 2011-08-15 11:55:55 <b4epoche_> it's probably memory bound
200 2011-08-15 11:56:12 <asher^> ok
201 2011-08-15 11:56:24 <b4epoche_> how much ram your vps got?
202 2011-08-15 11:56:32 <asher^> cc1plus is related to this?
203 2011-08-15 11:56:41 <asher^> its a small instance, 256mb
204 2011-08-15 11:56:44 <doublec> it only takes a few minutes on a machine with enough memory
205 2011-08-15 11:56:47 <doublec> 512mb+
206 2011-08-15 11:56:55 <b4epoche_> yea, ugh, 256
207 2011-08-15 11:57:04 <asher^> cc1plus is using almost 70% of mem
208 2011-08-15 11:57:10 <b4epoche_> yea, cc1plus it doing the job
209 2011-08-15 11:57:13 <asher^> i thought id save money while i get it set up
210 2011-08-15 11:57:18 <asher^> thanks, good to know its actually working
211 2011-08-15 11:58:02 <b4epoche_> did you compile boost yet?
212 2011-08-15 11:58:21 <asher^> whats that?
213 2011-08-15 11:58:39 <lfm> you have a swap file/partition?
214 2011-08-15 11:59:00 <asher^> yes
215 2011-08-15 11:59:09 <asher^> Mem:    251140k total,   247344k used,     3796k free,      136k buffers
216 2011-08-15 11:59:32 <b4epoche_> well, asher^, these problems you're having are just the very beginning ;-)
217 2011-08-15 11:59:38 <jtaylor> so its swapping, no wonder its slow ^^
218 2011-08-15 11:59:49 <asher^> last time i compiled on a 1g instance
219 2011-08-15 11:59:56 <jtaylor> maybe reduce the optimization level, that should decrease ram usage
220 2011-08-15 11:59:59 <lfm> bitcoin will runn very slow with that small memory too if at all
221 2011-08-15 12:00:16 <asher^> lmf its a cloud server, i plan to resize once everything is installed
222 2011-08-15 12:00:17 <b4epoche_> can't you find something precompiled?
223 2011-08-15 12:00:27 <asher^> im using a patched version
224 2011-08-15 12:00:34 <asher^> i have a copy compiled on my other server though
225 2011-08-15 12:00:38 <jtaylor> compile the patched version on a better machine?
226 2011-08-15 12:00:47 <asher^> im a linux noob, i dont know how transferrable the stuff is
227 2011-08-15 12:00:54 <b4epoche_> asher^:  don't you have homework to be doing?
228 2011-08-15 12:01:59 <lfm> b4epoche_ no need to be snotty about it
229 2011-08-15 12:02:20 <b4epoche_> lfm:  you got homework too?
230 2011-08-15 12:02:58 <lfm> ok, perhaps you are forced to be that way. good thing we can still use /ignore
231 2011-08-15 12:05:11 <asher^> heh
232 2011-08-15 12:06:37 <b4epoche_> asher^:  linking failed yet?
233 2011-08-15 12:06:49 <asher^> hmm?
234 2011-08-15 12:07:07 <b4epoche_> oh, just anticipating your next headache.
235 2011-08-15 12:07:36 <asher^> what would be the smallest size i should resize this instance to to make this work reasonably? 512?
236 2011-08-15 12:08:00 <b4epoche_> what kind of os is the vps running?
237 2011-08-15 12:08:38 <asher^> ubuntu
238 2011-08-15 12:09:00 <b4epoche_> you ought to find someone to compile it for you
239 2011-08-15 12:09:17 <asher^> can i just copy a compiled version from one server to another and it will work?
240 2011-08-15 12:09:19 <b4epoche_> or install it on a local vm
241 2011-08-15 12:09:39 <b4epoche_> if you statically link the libraries, it should
242 2011-08-15 12:09:53 <marf_away> or just wait two more houres
243 2011-08-15 12:10:08 <asher^> ill just resize this thing. will 512 be sufficient?
244 2011-08-15 12:10:10 <b4epoche_> marf_away:  he's still going to have to compile boost
245 2011-08-15 12:10:19 <b4epoche_> i.e. another 12 hours ;-)
246 2011-08-15 12:10:24 <asher^> wha?
247 2011-08-15 12:10:58 <marf_away> big coffee break
248 2011-08-15 12:11:18 <b4epoche_> plenty of time to do his homework ;-)
249 2011-08-15 12:11:24 <asher^> 12 hours?
250 2011-08-15 12:11:29 <b4epoche_> but he should be headed to bed soon ;-)
251 2011-08-15 12:11:49 <asher^> ill go for a gig of ram
252 2011-08-15 12:12:36 <lfm> I would still consider 512 small but its a lot better than 256 of course
253 2011-08-15 12:16:08 <asher^> sweet that was pretty fast
254 2011-08-15 12:17:32 <asher^> heh compile is done
255 2011-08-15 12:17:43 <b4epoche_> it linked?
256 2011-08-15 12:17:57 <asher^> linked? i just resized the server and started again
257 2011-08-15 12:18:25 <b4epoche_> how did you compile?  makefile?
258 2011-08-15 12:18:32 <asher^> yes
259 2011-08-15 12:19:15 <b4epoche_> hmm&  I'm surprised the vps had all the necessary support libraries installed
260 2011-08-15 12:19:25 <asher^> i installed them
261 2011-08-15 12:19:35 <b4epoche_> boost too?
262 2011-08-15 12:19:36 <lfm> just bitcoind or bitcoin with wx gui too?
263 2011-08-15 12:19:58 <asher^> just bitcoind
264 2011-08-15 12:20:02 <asher^> no boost afaik
265 2011-08-15 12:20:17 <b4epoche_> hmm&  that's the biggie for bitcoind
266 2011-08-15 12:20:17 <lfm> I think bitcoind uses boost too
267 2011-08-15 12:32:36 <b4epoche_> download from bluematt.me
268 2011-08-15 12:32:36 <lfm> asher just put -connect= or -addnode on the command line
269 2011-08-15 12:33:12 <asher^> ive got connect in the config, im changing the port to 8333 now
270 2011-08-15 12:33:33 <lfm> asher^ what? wait
271 2011-08-15 12:33:43 <asher^> connect=ip:port
272 2011-08-15 12:34:10 <lfm> nope
273 2011-08-15 12:34:25 <lfm> just -connect=ip
274 2011-08-15 12:34:50 <lfm> leave the ports to the defaults
275 2011-08-15 12:35:41 <asher^> ok sweet, its connected now
276 2011-08-15 12:35:42 <asher^> thanks
277 2011-08-15 12:37:01 <lfm> asher^ are both ends version 0.3.24?
278 2011-08-15 12:37:07 <lfm> or newer
279 2011-08-15 12:38:06 <asher^> .23
280 2011-08-15 12:38:19 <lfm> highly recomend you upgrade that
281 2011-08-15 12:38:36 <asher^> im using somebadgers bitcoind for pools version
282 2011-08-15 12:39:17 <lfm> ok but downloading the whole block chain from older versions may take forever
283 2011-08-15 12:39:49 <asher^> up to 92k now
284 2011-08-15 12:39:59 <gribble> 141075
285 2011-08-15 12:39:59 <lfm> ;;bc,blocks
286 2011-08-15 12:40:12 <asher^> its why i wanted to connect to my other instance, they are in the same DC
287 2011-08-15 12:40:32 <lfm> yup seems pretty fast, good luck with that
288 2011-08-15 12:40:34 <asher^> the downloading has slowed down now though... :-|
289 2011-08-15 12:40:55 <asher^> also dont have to pay for bandwidth like this :p
290 2011-08-15 12:41:15 <lfm> if it loses the connection you can just restart perhpas
291 2011-08-15 12:41:24 <b4epoche_> asher^:  it might be better to get the (almost) latest blockchain from bluematt.me
292 2011-08-15 12:41:43 <asher^> b4 this will only be a couple of mins, and its free
293 2011-08-15 12:42:12 <b4epoche_> okay&  BlueMatt's repo is free too ;-)
294 2011-08-15 12:42:26 <asher^> i have to pay the bandwidth though
295 2011-08-15 12:42:35 <b4epoche_> ah, gotcha
296 2011-08-15 12:42:35 <lfm> hes saying outside bandwidth on his server isnt free
297 2011-08-15 12:42:44 <asher^> also i cant load that page
298 2011-08-15 12:43:08 <b4epoche_> yea, that's not the full URL (which I can't recall off hand)
299 2011-08-15 12:43:54 <asher^> did the blocks start getting bigger somewhere around 90k?
300 2011-08-15 12:44:09 <lfm> asher^ maybe just more spam
301 2011-08-15 12:44:21 <asher^> the frist 90k were like lightening
302 2011-08-15 12:44:34 <asher^> lightning*
303 2011-08-15 12:44:44 <lfm> it could be version .23 throttling down on you
304 2011-08-15 12:45:34 <asher^> i looked at the changes for .24 and decided the patches im running are more beneficial for me atm. im not skilled enough to manually get the patches working if others have had troubles, so im going to stick with this for now
305 2011-08-15 12:46:55 <lfm> ya ok if it gets too slow, try a restart anyway
306 2011-08-15 12:47:11 <asher^> ok
307 2011-08-15 12:48:36 <asher^> restarted, still about the same speed
308 2011-08-15 12:48:43 <asher^> i think the blocks must just be chunkier
309 2011-08-15 12:51:14 <asher^> getting slower and slower, hehe
310 2011-08-15 12:54:17 <twobits> thought .24 has a pretty critical patch for transfering the blockchain effectivly?
311 2011-08-15 12:54:49 <lfm> ya he sez he has reasons for wanting to use .23
312 2011-08-15 12:55:00 <asher^> only 12k to go
313 2011-08-15 12:55:14 <asher^> no way im going through the compiling again tonight :p
314 2011-08-15 12:55:22 <twobits> yeah, just wonder if he knows that .24 was considered a must upgrade
315 2011-08-15 12:55:36 <asher^> hmm
316 2011-08-15 12:55:54 <asher^> any of you guys know of a .24 version with joelkatz patches that works well?
317 2011-08-15 12:55:56 <lfm> ya I told him highly recomened
318 2011-08-15 12:56:13 <asher^> what changed exactly in transferring the block chain in .24?
319 2011-08-15 12:56:21 <twobits> joelkatz rebased his diff 4 against .24 from what he had posted
320 2011-08-15 12:56:44 <asher^> aparently there was some problems with it. im using a prepatched version from github
321 2011-08-15 12:57:14 <twobits> from what I read also, the problems where with the github version, just use the diff from his site against the orginal
322 2011-08-15 12:57:32 <asher^> would the differences between .23 and .24 cause things like invalid blocks?
323 2011-08-15 12:57:48 <twobits> doin't think so, would cause a real slow block download
324 2011-08-15 12:57:50 <twobits> or stalled
325 2011-08-15 12:57:51 <lfm> should bve no invalid blocks
326 2011-08-15 12:58:05 <lfm> bve -> be
327 2011-08-15 12:58:22 <asher^> i mean if i solve a block, would the problems with transmission make it easier for someone else to get their solution out first?
328 2011-08-15 12:58:38 <lfm> naw, not really
329 2011-08-15 12:58:43 <asher^> ok
330 2011-08-15 12:58:49 <asher^> had my first block today and it was an orphan :(
331 2011-08-15 12:59:08 <lfm> once your caught up to the current block it should be fine
332 2011-08-15 12:59:12 <asher^> ok
333 2011-08-15 13:00:20 <asher^> ill have to try to patch .24 then
334 2011-08-15 13:00:53 <asher^> wow the blockchain download is really slow now
335 2011-08-15 13:01:14 <asher^> can the files be manually copied over or something?
336 2011-08-15 13:01:45 <lfm> yup, stop both ends first and copy blk*.dat
337 2011-08-15 13:02:00 <asher^> ah, cant stop on one end :(
338 2011-08-15 13:02:19 <lfm> ok, not good idea to copy live data files
339 2011-08-15 13:02:23 <asher^> yeah
340 2011-08-15 13:07:33 <lfm> ooops nap time for b4epoche_
341 2011-08-15 13:27:17 <b4epoche> eh?
342 2011-08-15 13:27:32 <lfm> b4epoche_ (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
343 2011-08-15 13:28:01 <b4epoche> oh, yea, that one
344 2011-08-15 13:35:51 <luke-jr> Gentoo stable is 0.3.20.2 ;)
345 2011-08-15 13:36:06 <luke-jr> but with the block xfer fix backported
346 2011-08-15 14:27:59 <asher^> hmm. theres really no need for regular wallet backups, right? if its backed up once, thats enough. is that true?
347 2011-08-15 14:28:30 <epscy> unless you send from it
348 2011-08-15 14:28:35 <epscy> i think
349 2011-08-15 14:29:11 <asher^> what changes in that circumstance?
350 2011-08-15 14:29:15 <coderrr> asher^, after generating some # of addresses u need to back it up again, just back it up regularly just in case
351 2011-08-15 14:29:27 <b4epoche> there was (not sure if changed) an issue that the wallet didn't contain those 100 keys until you used it
352 2011-08-15 14:29:33 <asher^> ah ok
353 2011-08-15 14:29:36 <coderrr> tehre was some dood who lost moeny because he only bakced it up once
354 2011-08-15 14:29:38 <asher^> cool
355 2011-08-15 14:30:00 <coderrr> im going to make a patch that sends change back to teh same address i think
356 2011-08-15 14:30:11 <b4epoche> yea, it keeps a pool of keys and adds more when enough are used
357 2011-08-15 14:30:14 <coderrr> so u can really only back it up once more safely
358 2011-08-15 14:31:43 <coderrr> Joric, can't remember, were you interested in the cmdline version of the anonymity patch ?
359 2011-08-15 14:55:30 <Joric> no i didn't ask for that "<coderrr> Joric, can't remember, were you interested in the cmdline version of the anonymity patch ?"
360 2011-08-15 14:55:43 <coderrr> mmmk nm then
361 2011-08-15 15:00:53 <Joric> coderrr, do you have w32gui build though? one i built a month ago won't work
362 2011-08-15 15:02:08 <coderrr> theres been a build up for v2 (w/o) the cmdline support for a while
363 2011-08-15 15:02:12 <Joric> maybe because of a zero balance (i've sent all funds to mybitcoin before vacation)
364 2011-08-15 15:02:21 <coderrr> heh, woops
365 2011-08-15 15:02:32 <coderrr> so waht does it do, it crashes or something ?
366 2011-08-15 15:02:49 <Joric> don't know why but the tab is completely blank
367 2011-08-15 15:02:53 <coderrr> ohh yea
368 2011-08-15 15:03:05 <coderrr> it only shows groupings w any address w a positive balance
369 2011-08-15 15:03:15 <coderrr> so yea itll stay blank until you get some more btc
370 2011-08-15 15:03:33 <coderrr> the cmdline _will_ show all groupings though, regardless of balance
371 2011-08-15 15:04:01 <Joric> mybitcoooooin!!! http://scifimafia.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/big-bang-theory-wheaton-scream-sheldon.jpg
372 2011-08-15 15:04:20 <copumpkin> speaking of mybitcoin
373 2011-08-15 15:04:22 <copumpkin> what's going on with them?
374 2011-08-15 15:04:28 <copumpkin> did bruce get half his coins back?
375 2011-08-15 15:04:48 <Joric> copumpkin, i didn't, requested them tonight
376 2011-08-15 15:04:56 <b4epoche> Bruce?
377 2011-08-15 15:05:20 <copumpkin> b4epoche: bruce wagner, the bitcoin show guy
378 2011-08-15 15:05:29 <copumpkin> he had quite a few coins in there
379 2011-08-15 15:05:40 <b4epoche> oh, he got pwned to?
380 2011-08-15 15:05:50 <b4epoche> dumb shit
381 2011-08-15 15:05:55 <copumpkin> he had 25k coins in there, supposedly :P
382 2011-08-15 15:06:02 <copumpkin> and was recommending it to all his non-techie friends
383 2011-08-15 15:06:05 <b4epoche> mega dumb shit
384 2011-08-15 15:06:14 <b4epoche> ultra mega dumb shit
385 2011-08-15 15:06:23 <copumpkin> omnom
386 2011-08-15 15:06:23 <Joric> mybitcoin was pretty well advertised for sure
387 2011-08-15 15:07:31 <b4epoche> and people give money to some anonymous dude with a web site?
388 2011-08-15 15:07:50 <luke-jr> pretty much lol
389 2011-08-15 15:08:00 <luke-jr> WalletBit seems nice though
390 2011-08-15 15:08:05 <luke-jr> even Spesmilo-compatible
391 2011-08-15 15:08:10 <lfm> makes you wish you thot of it first?
392 2011-08-15 15:09:14 <Joric> "WalletBit seems nice though"
393 2011-08-15 15:09:37 <Joric> gotta make another "nice service" :) looks profitable
394 2011-08-15 15:10:12 <b4epoche> a web site registered with PO Box in Charlestown, Nevis
395 2011-08-15 15:10:13 <b4epoche> KN
396 2011-08-15 15:10:31 <[Tycho]> Oh, bicoin wallet service again ? :(
397 2011-08-15 15:11:09 <b4epoche> looks like a nice place:  http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Charlestown,+Nevis&hl=en&ll=16.214675,-63.325195&spn=29.48797,32.871094&sll=29.075375,-104.414062&sspn=97.62005,131.484375&gl=us&t=h&z=5
398 2011-08-15 15:11:35 <b4epoche> for someone with a ton of cash
399 2011-08-15 15:11:54 <b4epoche> anyone give him a call:  +6499518329
400 2011-08-15 15:12:13 <luke-jr> what country is that?
401 2011-08-15 15:12:18 <copumpkin> b4epoche: that's a common offshore company location
402 2011-08-15 15:12:18 <Joric> so... what bruce wagner did say about mybitcoin after that, could anyone quote?
403 2011-08-15 15:12:34 <coderrr> i thought it was kansas at first haha
404 2011-08-15 15:12:38 <copumpkin> luke-jr: nevis
405 2011-08-15 15:12:55 <coderrr> Joric, he did a whole youtube episode about it
406 2011-08-15 15:13:01 <Joric> ahaha islands
407 2011-08-15 15:13:18 <b4epoche> damn&  someone grabbed shitcoins.com
408 2011-08-15 15:13:20 <b4epoche> http://www.shitcoins.com/2011/07/bitcoins-mybitcoin-latest-fraud.html
409 2011-08-15 15:14:06 <coderrr> Joric,  http://www.youtube.com/user/vlogwrap#p/u/15/4FZldY-ZBBE
410 2011-08-15 15:14:34 <MrTiggr> http://bitcoin.crimeunit.net/wiki/index.php/MyBitcoin  #bitcoin-police
411 2011-08-15 15:15:12 <Joric> now i can't even buy a hit of acid to ease the pain :)
412 2011-08-15 15:15:54 <b4epoche> the bitcoin police?
413 2011-08-15 15:16:00 <b4epoche> really?
414 2011-08-15 15:17:56 <Joric> it was called mybitcoin for a reason...
415 2011-08-15 15:18:22 <MrTiggr> ;) they werent urs - they were tom's
416 2011-08-15 15:18:36 <Joric> tombitcoin.com
417 2011-08-15 15:18:43 <MrTiggr> Joric++
418 2011-08-15 15:19:03 <MrTiggr> night all ^^ check out wat we discovered
419 2011-08-15 15:19:15 <b4epoche> shane smith, dal in owen?
420 2011-08-15 15:22:42 <Joric> did it affect the exchange rate?
421 2011-08-15 15:23:07 <b4epoche> its so volatile, who knows
422 2011-08-15 15:28:13 <Joric> bruce wagner looks like the silkroad bigger customer
423 2011-08-15 15:29:01 <Joric> 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FZldY-ZBBE&feature=player_profilepage#t=129s
424 2011-08-15 15:30:27 <Joric> "and I said you know, something is bothering me. This MyBitcoin thing is really, really, really bothering me. I had this really weird intuition that something was wrong"
425 2011-08-15 15:30:40 <Joric> "And I can't pin it on anything, I didn't know anything, I mean nobody had told me anything, I had no experience whatsoever. But I just said something's wrong, and I need to get our Bitcoins off of MyBitcoin.com."
426 2011-08-15 15:31:58 <b4epoche> intuition?
427 2011-08-15 15:32:33 <b4epoche> anonymous operator, anonymous domain registration?  and it's intuition that says something is wrong?
428 2011-08-15 15:33:36 <Joric> /j #bitcoin-police
429 2011-08-15 15:34:33 <b4epoche> no thx
430 2011-08-15 15:35:38 <luke-jr> Joric: so he withdrew them all BEFORE the shutdown?
431 2011-08-15 15:36:07 <b4epoche> I'd be pretty damn suspicious if that's the case
432 2011-08-15 15:41:35 <b4epoche> http://www.google.com/press/motorola/quotes/
433 2011-08-15 15:41:44 <b4epoche> you think Google provided a template?
434 2011-08-15 15:50:37 <Joric> "<chmod755> buy firearms for btc...find tom"
435 2011-08-15 15:52:19 <Joric> does someone sell firearms already?
436 2011-08-15 15:54:32 <luke-jr> jgarzik: you gonna merge my pull reqs? :P
437 2011-08-15 15:55:30 <luke-jr> stale_reason_split and work_expire_enhancements
438 2011-08-15 16:43:08 <luke-jr> ;;bc,status
439 2011-08-15 16:43:10 <gribble> Error: "bc,status" is not a valid command.
440 2011-08-15 16:43:15 <luke-jr> ;;bc,stats
441 2011-08-15 16:43:17 <gribble> Current Blocks: 141097 | Current Difficulty: 1888786.7053531 | Next Difficulty At Block: 141119 | Next Difficulty In: 22 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 hours, 49 minutes, and 32 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1812129.12664691
442 2011-08-15 16:45:21 <gavinandresen> coderrr: you still here?
443 2011-08-15 16:46:05 <coderrr> gavinandresen, sup
444 2011-08-15 16:46:16 <gavinandresen> See: https://github.com/gavinandresen/bitcoin-git/commit/47e2066ffc9c67de661f1e59ffe65a912fa3c4cc
445 2011-08-15 16:46:51 <coderrr> ah sweet
446 2011-08-15 16:47:04 <gavinandresen> I'm not sure I like -noprivacy as the switch name, though...
447 2011-08-15 16:48:58 <coderrr> i was thinking about an -extraprivacy option too which creates multiple change outputs around the same price as the payment
448 2011-08-15 16:51:10 <gavinandresen> coderrr: do you have any mixmaster experience or expertise?  Just naively splitting up change probably won't help much, but I'm not up on all the latest de-anonymizing research.
449 2011-08-15 16:51:30 <coderrr> gavinandresen, no i don't
450 2011-08-15 16:52:57 <coderrr> gavinandresen, i might be missing how that applies, i mean if you have 100 bitcoins and you wanna send 5 to someone, you send out 5 to 20 addresses
451 2011-08-15 16:52:59 <gavinandresen> If I had to bet, I'd bet the best strategy would be to split up large inputs into standard-sized chunks.  E.g. if you have 10,003 bitcoins in one 'coin' that's going to be an easy amount to track.
452 2011-08-15 16:54:01 <coderrr> or send random amounts, 5 being one of them, and pick some heuristics so its not easy to determine which one isnt random
453 2011-08-15 16:55:10 <gavinandresen> I'm not sure random is good, but like I said, I'm not an expert.  Maybe standard sizes would be better (e.g. lots of 50-bitcoin inputs to choose from might make the attacker's job harder)
454 2011-08-15 16:55:47 <coderrr> gavinandresen, yea i agree, it needs some thought put into it first
455 2011-08-15 16:56:48 <gavinandresen> Splitting up large inputs into smaller-sized chunks is a good idea anyway, because you want a good assortment of 'aged' bitcoins in your wallet to get good transaction priority.
456 2011-08-15 16:57:39 <coderrr> yea that makes sense
457 2011-08-15 17:05:28 <sneak> hi guys
458 2011-08-15 17:05:31 <sneak> wha'ts up
459 2011-08-15 17:23:45 <asher^> does bitcoind usually use a lot of cpu when downloading the block chain?
460 2011-08-15 17:24:26 <gavinandresen> asher^: yes
461 2011-08-15 17:24:28 <cacheson> asher^: it's doing signature verification
462 2011-08-15 17:24:58 <asher^> ok
463 2011-08-15 17:25:20 <asher^> would that be bottlenecking the download of the blockchain?
464 2011-08-15 17:25:20 <gavinandresen> coderrr: beware of the -noprivacy patch if you're using multiple accounts, it won't work properly (it'll randomly move money between accounts)
465 2011-08-15 17:44:41 <justmoon> how long does a rescan take these days? or is there a way to tell when it's done?
466 2011-08-15 17:46:05 <gavinandresen> justmoon: tail -f debug.log   ... will tell you what bitcoin is doing.  I don't know how long -rescans are taking these days.
467 2011-08-15 17:48:50 <justmoon> gavinandresen, k thx - I'm remote helping somebody, but I'll figure something out
468 2011-08-15 17:55:49 <justmoon> ok rescan took just 50 seconds or so
469 2011-08-15 18:02:15 <Vladmir> can anoyone please remind me how to run a random number between X and Y roll ?
470 2011-08-15 18:03:37 <Vladmir> gribble help
471 2011-08-15 18:06:50 <cjdelisle> dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/kmem bs=1 count=1 seek=$RANDOM
472 2011-08-15 18:07:44 <cjdelisle> what language are you using?
473 2011-08-15 18:09:34 <WildSoil> ;;bc,stats
474 2011-08-15 18:09:37 <gribble> Current Blocks: 141106 | Current Difficulty: 1888786.7053531 | Next Difficulty At Block: 141119 | Next Difficulty In: 13 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 hours, 16 minutes, and 4 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1812347.17870865
475 2011-08-15 18:15:54 <phantomcircuit> gavinandresen, -rescan takes about a minute
476 2011-08-15 18:16:03 <phantomcircuit> well for a wallet with a ton of keys
477 2011-08-15 18:26:28 <shLONG> hey
478 2011-08-15 18:26:39 <shLONG> I have a internet client
479 2011-08-15 18:26:50 <shLONG> I want to send encrypted data to it that the client can decrypt BUT
480 2011-08-15 18:27:08 <shLONG> I dont want anyone who has the client to be able to work out how to encrypt the data
481 2011-08-15 18:27:16 <shLONG> decrypting it is fine
482 2011-08-15 18:27:23 <shLONG> but if they work out how to encrypt that message
483 2011-08-15 18:27:33 <shLONG> they can start sending custom commands to their client which is BAD
484 2011-08-15 18:27:43 <shLONG> (and other peoples clients)
485 2011-08-15 18:28:01 <shLONG> is there an encryption system out there that would suit this?
486 2011-08-15 18:28:15 <shLONG> im not in the know with encryptions as you can see
487 2011-08-15 18:28:27 <shLONG> If you tell me what I need I will go and learn
488 2011-08-15 18:28:48 <phantomcircuit> shadders, sounds like you want a public key encryption system?
489 2011-08-15 18:28:54 <phantomcircuit> also sounds like a botnet
490 2011-08-15 18:34:20 <D0han> yep, botnet witch assymetric keys for C&C ;)
491 2011-08-15 18:38:13 <shLONG> LOL
492 2011-08-15 18:38:18 <shLONG> why does it sound like a botnet X'D
493 2011-08-15 18:38:38 <shLONG> is that how everyone commands their botnets nowdays?
494 2011-08-15 18:38:40 <shLONG> X'D
495 2011-08-15 18:41:32 <cjdelisle> shLONG: if the client is running on a user's computer and it's supposed to send messages and the owner of the computer is not, you have the DRM problem, it is technically impossible to prevent it from being reverse engineered.
496 2011-08-15 18:42:13 <shLONG> well the client is to recieve messages, that is all
497 2011-08-15 18:42:21 <shLONG> I will be sending the messages
498 2011-08-15 18:42:31 <shLONG> kinda like a botnet pretty much
499 2011-08-15 18:42:35 <shLONG> but not a botnet !
500 2011-08-15 18:42:58 <shLONG> i dont care if they decode them, as long as they can never encode the packets themselves
501 2011-08-15 18:43:05 <cjdelisle> then you are interested in *signing* not encryption. Also if you are asking that then you don't want to try fooling around with botnets ;)
502 2011-08-15 18:43:06 <shLONG> or my whole network will get fuxed
503 2011-08-15 18:43:26 <shLONG> well it is a botnet
504 2011-08-15 18:43:29 <shLONG> pretty much
505 2011-08-15 18:43:35 <shLONG> a legal botnet
506 2011-08-15 18:43:51 <shLONG> it's a RSS new feed type system
507 2011-08-15 18:43:54 <shLONG> news*
508 2011-08-15 18:44:02 <shLONG> which is p2p
509 2011-08-15 18:44:04 <shLONG> decentralised
510 2011-08-15 18:44:18 <shLONG> so I need to make sure that people dont go sending bullshit news to all the clients
511 2011-08-15 18:44:20 <D0han> how do you bootstrap?
512 2011-08-15 18:45:20 <Vladmir> Hi All, This is a logged bitcoin channel , therefore I roll dice for daily bitcoin.org.uk member raffle here
513 2011-08-15 18:45:34 <shLONG> D0han? me?
514 2011-08-15 18:45:46 <D0han> yes
515 2011-08-15 18:45:51 <shLONG> lol its not a botnet
516 2011-08-15 18:46:08 <shLONG> why what would you reccomend
517 2011-08-15 18:46:21 <Vladmir> today the prise is 1 BTC, it will go to user with id which is rolled here, if not such user exist or if it an admin or mod I will reroll
518 2011-08-15 18:46:38 <D0han> i dont care if it is a botnet, you said its decentralised
519 2011-08-15 18:46:42 <gribble> 36
520 2011-08-15 18:46:42 <Vladmir> ;;dice 1d52
521 2011-08-15 18:46:44 <D0han> so, how do you bootstrap?
522 2011-08-15 18:46:51 <shLONG> ah right what do you mean by bootstrap then?
523 2011-08-15 18:46:51 <Vladmir> winner is user 36
524 2011-08-15 18:47:12 <D0han> find other p2p clients
525 2011-08-15 18:47:16 <shLONG> ah right
526 2011-08-15 18:47:17 <shLONG> ip scan
527 2011-08-15 18:47:22 <shLONG> well port scan
528 2011-08-15 18:47:24 <shLONG> if port is open
529 2011-08-15 18:47:34 <shLONG> sorry ipscan, check port is open
530 2011-08-15 18:47:36 <Vladmir> EricJ2190, congratulations
531 2011-08-15 18:47:41 <shLONG> if it is, send ping message
532 2011-08-15 18:47:43 <shLONG> if response
533 2011-08-15 18:47:49 <shLONG> send new news feed
534 2011-08-15 18:47:55 <D0han> shLONG: are you joking? :D
535 2011-08-15 18:47:59 <shLONG> all clients constantly look for each other
536 2011-08-15 18:48:20 <shLONG> so when you hit one client, it tells all the ones it knows about the new feed
537 2011-08-15 18:48:29 <shLONG> no is there a better way?
538 2011-08-15 18:48:42 <D0han> try doing smth like that in WAN, not LAN
539 2011-08-15 18:48:50 <D0han> or LAN with ipv6 implemented
540 2011-08-15 18:49:00 <D0han> good luck
541 2011-08-15 18:49:03 <shLONG> LAN? as it local area network?
542 2011-08-15 18:49:09 <D0han> yes
543 2011-08-15 18:49:20 <shLONG> what do you mean?
544 2011-08-15 18:49:34 <D0han> youre running that in LAN, right?
545 2011-08-15 18:49:44 <shLONG> nope over the internet
546 2011-08-15 18:49:54 <shLONG> well some machines are lan
547 2011-08-15 18:49:58 <cjdelisle> mmmm
548 2011-08-15 18:50:09 <D0han> ..and youre scanning entire internet to find nodes?
549 2011-08-15 18:50:10 <shLONG> its lots of network clusters
550 2011-08-15 18:50:18 <shLONG> over the internet
551 2011-08-15 18:50:24 <shLONG> well
552 2011-08-15 18:50:25 <shLONG> thats the plan
553 2011-08-15 18:50:32 <cjdelisle> portscan to find new clients + sends signed control messages....   BOTNET
554 2011-08-15 18:50:33 <shLONG> what does bitcoin do to find its nodes?
555 2011-08-15 18:50:58 <cjdelisle> What port do you use? 445?
556 2011-08-15 18:51:01 <D0han> shLONG: irc channel/dns/clients from past
557 2011-08-15 18:51:29 <shLONG> ah so all clients register their address to an irc channel?
558 2011-08-15 18:51:40 <D0han> they used to
559 2011-08-15 18:51:48 <D0han> now its dns mainly
560 2011-08-15 18:51:49 <shLONG> thats dodgy, if my client ever had a buffer overrun exposed then i'd be fucked
561 2011-08-15 18:52:02 <shLONG> all the networks would be instantly infected
562 2011-08-15 18:52:30 <shLONG> although I spose its going to happen sooner or later either way
563 2011-08-15 18:53:11 <shLONG> so has anyone attempted to shutdown the bitcoin DNS?
564 2011-08-15 18:53:25 <shLONG> what if a load of kids got together did a DDoS attack on it
565 2011-08-15 18:53:34 <shLONG> could take down the whole bitcoin economy?
566 2011-08-15 18:53:48 <shLONG> in such senarios as the DNS being down I assume the clients revert to ip scans?
567 2011-08-15 18:54:14 <D0han> we probably wont even notice if you will take down dns
568 2011-08-15 18:54:33 <shLONG> why?
569 2011-08-15 18:54:44 <D0han> and ip scans never were way to go
570 2011-08-15 18:55:00 <shLONG> but what happens if some one takes the DNS server offline?
571 2011-08-15 18:55:08 <shLONG> none of the clients can find each other for confirmations?
572 2011-08-15 18:55:11 <D0han> coz each client have a list of before-connected-clients
573 2011-08-15 18:55:15 <shLONG> ah
574 2011-08-15 18:55:18 <D0han> and few big nodes
575 2011-08-15 18:55:19 <shLONG> i was about to say
576 2011-08-15 18:55:23 <D0han> hardcoded
577 2011-08-15 18:55:26 <shLONG> thats cool
578 2011-08-15 18:55:35 <shLONG> right ill do that then
579 2011-08-15 18:55:53 <D0han> man, read some papers first
580 2011-08-15 18:56:04 <D0han> youre unprepared to do anything on so many levels
581 2011-08-15 18:56:09 <cjdelisle> ^
582 2011-08-15 18:56:16 <shLONG> lol what makes you say that?
583 2011-08-15 18:56:29 <D0han> this conversation, from top of it
584 2011-08-15 18:56:42 <shLONG> aye well it was theory
585 2011-08-15 18:56:48 <cjdelisle> The bittorrent people were talking about implementing decentralized RSS at one point. Not sure if they got anywhere.
586 2011-08-15 18:56:56 <shLONG> i heard other people had done ipscan before
587 2011-08-15 18:57:11 <D0han> i know, talks about making bnets always are only theoretical ;D
588 2011-08-15 18:57:32 <shLONG> haha I had a few botnets as a kid
589 2011-08-15 18:57:34 <shLONG> nothing huge
590 2011-08-15 18:57:36 <cjdelisle> Note that if you join #bittorrent and suggest portscanning you will be laughed out of the channel.
591 2011-08-15 18:57:53 <D0han> cjdelisle: utorrent have some sort of comments & ratings
592 2011-08-15 18:58:25 <cjdelisle> Yes, that's implemented through nonstandard dht messages.
593 2011-08-15 18:58:36 <D0han> shLONG: how you will use ipscan when WAN will be transformed into IPv6?
594 2011-08-15 18:58:42 <cjdelisle> I know because my client started seeing them and I was all o_O
595 2011-08-15 18:58:49 <shLONG> D0han: good point
596 2011-08-15 18:59:01 <D0han> cjdelisle: ;D
597 2011-08-15 19:00:20 <shLONG> if there where 1 million wild clients
598 2011-08-15 19:00:24 <shLONG> port scanning could pay off
599 2011-08-15 19:00:45 <shLONG> find one client, tell it a news feed
600 2011-08-15 19:00:49 <shLONG> and let is spread
601 2011-08-15 19:01:04 <shLONG> but meh just theory
602 2011-08-15 19:01:43 <shLONG> does anyone even still make botnets anymore? I figured things like LOIC (gay) had taken over these days
603 2011-08-15 19:01:52 <shLONG> and mass VPN / PHP ddos
604 2011-08-15 19:02:20 <D0han> million clients?
605 2011-08-15 19:02:41 <D0han> i have more IP numbers in my /64
606 2011-08-15 19:02:57 <shLONG> I dont even know if there are any real worm threats like there used to be, Bagle worm etc
607 2011-08-15 19:02:59 <D0han> i still dont see how you want to scan WAN
608 2011-08-15 19:04:06 <D0han> wiki - IPv6 supports approximately 3.4??1038 (340 undecillion) unique addresses
609 2011-08-15 19:04:11 <D0han> ;)
610 2011-08-15 19:04:16 <shLONG> o.o
611 2011-08-15 19:04:27 <D0han> if you want comparision
612 2011-08-15 19:04:36 <shLONG> how many does ipv4 support?
613 2011-08-15 19:04:39 <D0han> IPv4 have
614 2011-08-15 19:04:40 <D0han> 4.3??109 (4.3 billion)
615 2011-08-15 19:04:43 <shLONG> ooo
616 2011-08-15 19:04:44 <shLONG> thats bad
617 2011-08-15 19:04:50 <shLONG> and when will be runout of ipv4 addresses
618 2011-08-15 19:04:51 <Dagger3> but... 3.4??1038 is 3529.2 O.o
619 2011-08-15 19:05:09 <D0han> Dagger3: _approximately_
620 2011-08-15 19:05:42 <Dagger3> because 10^38 is approximately 10^3, right
621 2011-08-15 19:05:55 <Dagger3> only 35 orders of magnitude out, but hey :P
622 2011-08-15 19:06:10 <D0han> right
623 2011-08-15 19:06:30 <D0han> whatever, its still fucking big adress space
624 2011-08-15 19:07:36 <shLONG> "With IANA's exhaustion on January 31, 2011,[1][2][3] and the RIR APNIC's exhaustion on April 15, 2011, some parts of the world have already exhausted their IPv4 allocations"
625 2011-08-15 19:07:43 <mabus> when we run out of ipv4 address space we will just NAT the third world, i dont see the problem
626 2011-08-15 19:07:43 <shLONG> shit
627 2011-08-15 19:07:50 <edcba> right now
628 2011-08-15 19:07:56 <edcba> everybody panics !!!
629 2011-08-15 19:07:58 <shLONG> NAT the third world??
630 2011-08-15 19:08:28 <mabus> and/or mobile devices yes
631 2011-08-15 19:08:41 <mabus> not everybody needs an internet facing IP address
632 2011-08-15 19:08:45 <Dagger3> uh, yeah, we'll NAT the first world too
633 2011-08-15 19:08:51 <cjdelisle> China's already behind a firewall now [snicker]
634 2011-08-15 19:09:02 <D0han> fuck that, NAT NATed networks!
635 2011-08-15 19:09:32 <Eliel> yep, NAT is the best solution until ipv6 is really usable.
636 2011-08-15 19:09:35 <Dagger3> ISPs are already doing CGN, and there's only going to be more once they can't get more addresses, not somehow magically less
637 2011-08-15 19:11:13 <D0han> if there will be autoupdate function for main client, i dont see any problem
638 2011-08-15 19:11:25 <D0han> if not, well
639 2011-08-15 19:11:26 <D0han> ;D
640 2011-08-15 19:12:21 <shLONG> china can have IPV4 we get IPV6
641 2011-08-15 19:12:26 <shLONG> I can see that happening
642 2011-08-15 19:12:56 <shLONG> IPV6 via the great firewall
643 2011-08-15 19:13:22 <shLONG> wont be a big cost for china ipv6
644 2011-08-15 19:13:29 <shLONG> if you see what im saying
645 2011-08-15 19:18:52 <cjdelisle> ip6 is like a bicycle. Some people think it's going to save the world but really, it's basicly just a toy.
646 2011-08-15 19:21:26 <ciscoftw_l33t> regarding bitcoin p2p connections. tcpdump analysis shows that my client connects to 6-8 nodes all via different protocols (accelenet, d-cinema-rrp, essbase, lupa, olsv, etc...) why would my source protocol be different for each connection i have to the swarm?
647 2011-08-15 19:23:11 <cjdelisle> different protocols or different ports?
648 2011-08-15 19:24:17 <twobits> Asia needs ipv6 the most
649 2011-08-15 19:24:39 <D0han> cjdelisle: i like toys
650 2011-08-15 19:25:07 <D0han> ciscoftw_l33t: its probably just misinterpret of port numbers, as cjdelisle is sugessting
651 2011-08-15 19:25:30 <cjdelisle> This toy is way cooler than ip6 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTHWBSluUjU
652 2011-08-15 19:26:59 <ciscoftw_l33t> hmmm, thanks D0han, looking into that now
653 2011-08-15 19:27:24 <ciscoftw_l33t> could just be wireshare F'in with me, as im using it to look via the capture, not vi/text :)
654 2011-08-15 19:29:12 <D0han> cjdelisle: its cool, but how to fly that shit? its like ~4sec in sight and dissapering
655 2011-08-15 19:29:29 <cjdelisle> /nod
656 2011-08-15 19:30:15 <shLONG> fuck you !! you liar!
657 2011-08-15 19:30:16 <shLONG> :p
658 2011-08-15 19:30:56 <cjdelisle> lied about what? :]
659 2011-08-15 19:30:56 <shLONG> OMG pimping jet
660 2011-08-15 19:31:05 <ciscoftw_l33t> cjdelisle/d0han: ...as suggested, misinterpretation was indeed occuring... thanx for suggestion(s)
661 2011-08-15 19:31:38 <shLONG> I wonder how the fuck they fly that shit without crashing it
662 2011-08-15 19:31:45 <shLONG> it must crash so fucking easily
663 2011-08-15 19:31:56 <shLONG> think its going that fast
664 2011-08-15 19:32:04 <shLONG> turning it must be REALLY hard
665 2011-08-15 19:32:06 <cjdelisle> 3000$ engine too which would not be fun to smash
666 2011-08-15 19:32:17 <shLONG> yeah O_O
667 2011-08-15 19:32:28 <shLONG> they must land it with a parachute or something
668 2011-08-15 19:33:09 <D0han> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgp3j-odseo
669 2011-08-15 19:33:15 <D0han> pulse engine
670 2011-08-15 19:33:28 <cjdelisle> I've seen pulsejets before.
671 2011-08-15 19:33:36 <cjdelisle> but flash isn't working :)
672 2011-08-15 19:33:58 <ciscoftw_l33t> as bitcoin doesn't use any DHT, all clients need the entire blockchain. how does my bitcoin client know if its current blockchian needs to be updated, and what method does the update occur? any doc regarding bitcoin p2p structure/config
673 2011-08-15 19:35:37 <D0han> it asks other clients
674 2011-08-15 19:36:16 <ciscoftw_l33t> ..how does it know that the clients i'm asking have what i'm looking for without a DHT?
675 2011-08-15 19:37:45 <ciscoftw_l33t> sipa?
676 2011-08-15 19:37:56 <D0han> dunno
677 2011-08-15 19:38:12 <D0han> i think its just connect and ask
678 2011-08-15 19:38:34 <ciscoftw_l33t> yeah, the whole p2p side of bitcoin is a big blur
679 2011-08-15 19:38:48 <cjdelisle> everyone has everything so you don't need to guess where to ask...
680 2011-08-15 19:39:48 <ciscoftw_l33t> thats not true, what about a new client who first connects... he may only have 15% of the complete blockchain, others in the swarm don't know how much of the chain he's downloaded without a DHT
681 2011-08-15 19:40:23 <kinlo> so, what would be the most prominent reason for a bitcoin client to take several minutes before starting to download blocks?
682 2011-08-15 19:40:25 <ciscoftw_l33t> ..thus could connect to his node and try downloading the chain from him (which he doens't have -a complete copy of yet)
683 2011-08-15 19:41:17 <ciscoftw_l33t> kinlo: slow speeds
684 2011-08-15 19:41:29 <kinlo> ciscoftw_l33t: which speeds are slow?
685 2011-08-15 19:41:36 <kinlo> I've got a pretty good internet connection
686 2011-08-15 19:41:43 <kinlo> I have 8 connections
687 2011-08-15 19:41:44 <ciscoftw_l33t> bitcoin uses tcp for tracking, udp would be nice about now
688 2011-08-15 19:41:50 <kinlo> cpu usage is low
689 2011-08-15 19:42:12 <ciscoftw_l33t> your currenlty dl'ing block now?
690 2011-08-15 19:42:41 <kinlo> well
691 2011-08-15 19:42:47 <kinlo> it's a client I've used yesterday
692 2011-08-15 19:42:56 <kinlo> so I'm only 100 blocks behind
693 2011-08-15 19:43:03 <ciscoftw_l33t> huh?
694 2011-08-15 19:43:09 <kinlo> but after 5 minutes, only 1 block has been downloaded
695 2011-08-15 19:43:26 <kinlo> I'd expect those 100 blocks to take no longer then 5 minutes, not just 1 block
696 2011-08-15 19:44:11 <ciscoftw_l33t> yeah... shouldn't take more than 2hr for complete blockchain dl
697 2011-08-15 19:44:15 <ciscoftw_l33t> try #bitcoin
698 2011-08-15 19:44:29 <kinlo> this is the developers channel :p  cluefull people should be here :p
699 2011-08-15 19:44:31 <ciscoftw_l33t> fuck it, windows box?
700 2011-08-15 19:44:56 <ciscoftw_l33t> you think the dev's want to help troupbleshoot this lame ass issue?
701 2011-08-15 19:44:58 <ciscoftw_l33t> aHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAha
702 2011-08-15 19:45:16 <ciscoftw_l33t> ..notice i'm the only one to respond to you :)
703 2011-08-15 19:45:39 <kinlo> not really
704 2011-08-15 19:45:48 <ciscoftw_l33t> gl
705 2011-08-15 19:46:02 <kinlo> this is the mac client atm
706 2011-08-15 19:46:12 <kinlo> but can't see anything wrong
707 2011-08-15 19:46:16 <kinlo> lemme look at debug log
708 2011-08-15 19:46:26 <Blitzboom> jgarzik: any estimate at all on when 0.4 will be released?
709 2011-08-15 19:48:07 <x6763> ciscoftw_l33t: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Protocol_specification#version
710 2011-08-15 19:51:30 <x6763> ciscoftw_l33t: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Network
711 2011-08-15 19:52:04 <ciscoftw_l33t> second link gold, thanx
712 2011-08-15 19:54:58 <ciscoftw_l33t> x6763: finds inital peers via "irc.lfnet.org" did this recently to move to somthing ".ir"
713 2011-08-15 19:55:43 <x6763> ciscoftw_l33t: notice "start_height" in the version message on the first link...nodes tell each other the height of the blockchain that they have so far...other nodes claiming to have a heigher blockchain height than you is a hint that you don't have the full blockchain
714 2011-08-15 19:55:54 <x6763> ciscoftw_l33t: no idea about the irc stuff
715 2011-08-15 19:57:03 <ciscoftw_l33t> thanx x6763, the "start_height" is the answer to my dht question, thanx.
716 2011-08-15 19:58:44 <x6763> ciscoftw_l33t: no problem
717 2011-08-15 21:04:59 <nanotube> kinlo: i've noticed that sometimes on the linux client as well - long delay between getting connections, and starting to get blocks. probably something in the code could be improved...
718 2011-08-15 21:05:36 <kinlo> nanotube: haven't pinpointed the issue yet, but indeed, once the blocks come in, they are getting in at a normal rate
719 2011-08-15 21:06:23 <nanotube> well, let's wait for some people to show up. or you could file a github issue if they don't.
720 2011-08-15 21:06:27 <kinlo> nanotube: according to debug.log, the bitcoin client is spending more time on the AddAddress then anything else
721 2011-08-15 21:07:00 <kinlo> would be better if I dived into the code and started figuring things out, but I'm not that familiar with the code yet
722 2011-08-15 21:14:05 <kinlo> hmmmz
723 2011-08-15 21:14:14 <kinlo> where does pnSeed comes from? :)
724 2011-08-15 21:14:22 <kinlo> who's ip's are those :)
725 2011-08-15 21:28:45 <ciscoftw_l33t> kinlo: net.cpp, array pnSeed
726 2011-08-15 21:29:26 <cjdelisle> are those hardcoded "usually up nodes"?
727 2011-08-15 21:29:39 <kinlo> that's where  I found it