1 2011-08-25 00:27:49 <gjs278> ;;bc,stats
  2 2011-08-25 00:27:51 <gribble> Current Blocks: 142466 | Current Difficulty: 1805700.8361937 | Next Difficulty At Block: 143135 | Next Difficulty In: 669 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 11 hours, 2 minutes, and 24 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1853813.36093974
  3 2011-08-25 01:15:13 <Blitzboom> justmoon: what was the name of your project with the online wallet?
  4 2011-08-25 01:16:52 <Blitzboom> nvm, got it
  5 2011-08-25 02:10:17 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * r413d97..ebf799 cgminer/ (9 files in 2 dirs): (5 commits)
  6 2011-08-25 02:42:35 <Wamo> Hey guys.  I'm a Comp Sci major working on my own website which will promote Bitcoins by giving them out.  I am looking for people to beta test my system.  Take a look at www.wesmeredith.com/bitbybit if you have 10 seconds to help me out.
  7 2011-08-25 02:43:02 <imsaguy> just did Wamo
  8 2011-08-25 02:43:06 <lfm> wamo what school you go to man?
  9 2011-08-25 02:43:11 <Wamo> Texas A&M
 10 2011-08-25 02:43:50 <lfm> Wamo: cool, where you getting the btc that you are giving out?
 11 2011-08-25 02:44:14 <Wamo> Got a few machines mining
 12 2011-08-25 02:45:09 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * r3d5f555407cb cgminer/ (configure.ac main.c miner.h ocl.c): Allow a custom kernel path to be entered on the command line.
 13 2011-08-25 02:46:08 <nanotube> Wamo: "Any user may input their Bitcoin wallet on the submission page to receive .001 BTC for free." <- s/wallet/address/
 14 2011-08-25 02:46:18 <nanotube> otherwise it sounds like you're trying to get people to upload their wallet :P
 15 2011-08-25 02:46:32 <Wamo> lol, your right
 16 2011-08-25 02:46:38 <imsaguy> maybe he is! weirder things have been tried ;)
 17 2011-08-25 02:47:07 <nanotube> haha yea like that "wallet verification" site
 18 2011-08-25 02:47:53 <imsaguy> 'verfied empty'
 19 2011-08-25 02:48:01 <imsaguy> verified*
 20 2011-08-25 02:48:59 <lfm> well the "submitions page" only demands a btc address
 21 2011-08-25 02:49:05 <cjdelisle> https://3woapc2khixooeit.tor2web.org/ <-- that one is a joke/lesson
 22 2011-08-25 02:49:22 <Wamo> yeah, its only suppost to ask for the address
 23 2011-08-25 02:49:28 <cjdelisle> you can click the verify button with nothing in it to see the "you idiot" page
 24 2011-08-25 02:49:48 <imsaguy> cjdelisle, it says 503 now
 25 2011-08-25 02:50:00 <imsaguy> just for me?
 26 2011-08-25 02:50:40 <cjdelisle> nop, I spoke too soon, I guess the guy who ran it got bored and killed his tor daemon
 27 2011-08-25 02:50:50 <imsaguy> lol
 28 2011-08-25 02:50:56 <imsaguy> too many idiots
 29 2011-08-25 02:50:59 <lfm> wamo you're taking paypal donations? you know about the paypal clawbacks eh?
 30 2011-08-25 02:51:27 <Wamo> yeah, working on a way to handle that
 31 2011-08-25 02:51:53 <imsaguy> especially donations for bitcoin
 32 2011-08-25 02:52:21 <cjdelisle> well if someone reverses a donation you have not lost much
 33 2011-08-25 02:52:36 <imsaguy> paypal will suspend you if you're using it for bitcoin though
 34 2011-08-25 02:52:46 <imsaguy> so a single reverse will be the least of your issues
 35 2011-08-25 02:53:14 <lfm> I think they consider bitcoin competition and they hate competition
 36 2011-08-25 02:53:20 <phantomcircuit> Wamo, captcha looks weak
 37 2011-08-25 02:53:32 <cjdelisle> paypal will suspend you if  rand() & 0xFF
 38 2011-08-25 02:54:03 <imsaguy> paypal will suspend you if 1
 39 2011-08-25 02:54:04 <Wamo> Yeah, the captcha is weak, but with the ip checking and other behind the scenes scripts running wasn't focusing on it
 40 2011-08-25 02:54:05 <Wamo> for now
 41 2011-08-25 02:54:40 <cjdelisle> He has it working again...
 42 2011-08-25 02:54:41 <cjdelisle> https://3woapc2khixooeit.tor2web.org/dumbass.html
 43 2011-08-25 02:55:35 <imsaguy> cjdelisle, 503 still
 44 2011-08-25 02:55:51 <lfm> imsguy worked for me
 45 2011-08-25 02:56:01 <imsaguy> werid
 46 2011-08-25 02:56:09 <lfm> imsguy clear  your browser cache maybe
 47 2011-08-25 02:56:29 <imsaguy> I dont wanna close my browser, I got other things going on
 48 2011-08-25 02:56:31 <imsaguy> :p
 49 2011-08-25 02:56:47 <lfm> you can clear your cache without exiting
 50 2011-08-25 02:57:03 <imsaguy> yes, but I'll lose my session states
 51 2011-08-25 02:57:05 <lfm> on firefox at least
 52 2011-08-25 02:57:19 <lfm> imsguy ya ok, I spoze your right
 53 2011-08-25 02:57:22 <cjdelisle> ctrl+f5?
 54 2011-08-25 02:57:22 <imsaguy> and a different browser completely gives a 503
 55 2011-08-25 02:57:34 <imsaguy> totally different browser gave 503
 56 2011-08-25 02:57:39 <imsaguy> so its not the cache
 57 2011-08-25 02:57:40 <cjdelisle> are you using your own tor node?
 58 2011-08-25 02:57:41 <imsaguy> nbd
 59 2011-08-25 02:57:45 <imsaguy> nope
 60 2011-08-25 02:57:53 <lfm> imsguy you're isp is blocking them?
 61 2011-08-25 02:57:54 <cjdelisle> tor2web? o_O
 62 2011-08-25 02:58:03 <imsaguy> comcast, I get to tor2web
 63 2011-08-25 02:58:14 <imsaguy> tor2web is showing the 503
 64 2011-08-25 02:58:49 <imsaguy> I'm not worried abou tit
 65 2011-08-25 02:58:53 <imsaguy> I'll take your word for it
 66 2011-08-25 02:58:58 <cjdelisle> hmm sounds like a tor2web problem which only affects you
 67 2011-08-25 02:59:12 <cjdelisle> like asif they use prolexic or something :P
 68 2011-08-25 03:01:58 <lfm> yay! I got the btc bit from Wamo, thank you!
 69 2011-08-25 03:02:20 <Wamo> NP, thanks for your input on the site
 70 2011-08-25 03:02:44 <Wamo> For anyone that missed it, I am trying to beta test my new BTC giveaway site.  If you have a min please check out www.wesmeredith.com/bitbybit
 71 2011-08-25 03:04:13 <imsaguy> I didn't lfm :(
 72 2011-08-25 03:04:42 <lfm> ;;calc [bc,avgprice]*0.001
 73 2011-08-25 03:04:43 <gribble> Error: "bc,avgprice" is not a valid command.
 74 2011-08-25 03:04:43 <imsaguy> and I just filled the form out 3 times in a row without an error
 75 2011-08-25 03:04:55 <lfm> ;;calc [bc,avgprc]*0.001
 76 2011-08-25 03:04:57 <gribble> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
 77 2011-08-25 03:05:04 <gribble> {"USD": {"7d": "11.1592", "30d": "10.3511", "24h": "10.8609"}, "AUD": {"7d": "10.1758", "30d": "10.8153", "24h": "10.2735"}, "BGN": {"7d": "11.2306", "30d": "12.3322", "24h": "11.0000"}, "CNY": {"7d": "70.4771", "30d": "71.6077", "24h": "68.2104"}, "SLL": {"7d": "3021.8059", "30d": "2996.7655", "24h": "2927.1032"}, "BRL": {"7d": "19.3803", "30d": "20.4855"}, "INR": {"7d": "503.8088", (1 more message)
 78 2011-08-25 03:05:04 <nanotube> ;;bc,avgprc
 79 2011-08-25 03:05:09 <nanotube> that's why :)
 80 2011-08-25 03:05:23 <CIA-101> libbitcoin: genjix * r8f4c8d38cfcd / (23 files in 8 dirs): Use const ref everywhere
 81 2011-08-25 03:05:30 <lfm> oh! I thot it was like a single average of them all
 82 2011-08-25 03:06:14 <nanotube> average of 500 rupees and 10 usd is not a very sensible number :)
 83 2011-08-25 03:06:32 <lfm> ;; calc 10.8609 * 0.001
 84 2011-08-25 03:06:33 <gribble> 10.8609 * 0.001 = 0.0108609
 85 2011-08-25 03:06:52 <lfm> so about a penny anyway
 86 2011-08-25 03:07:05 <nanotube> there's ,,bc,24hprc for the 24hour avg in usd. :)
 87 2011-08-25 03:07:06 <gribble> 10.8604
 88 2011-08-25 03:07:55 <gribble> (calc <expression>) -- Uses Google's calculator to calculate the value of <expression>.
 89 2011-08-25 03:07:55 <lfm> ok so its worth ,,calc [bc,24hprc]*0.001 USD
 90 2011-08-25 03:08:27 <lfm> ;;calc [bc,24hprc]*0.001
 91 2011-08-25 03:08:29 <gribble> 10.8603 * 0.001 = 0.0108603
 92 2011-08-25 03:09:04 <nanotube> for multiargument stuff, try delimiting with parens, like ,,(calc [bc,24hprc]*.001)
 93 2011-08-25 03:09:05 <gribble> 10.8603 * .001 = 0.0108603
 94 2011-08-25 03:09:50 <lfm> nanotube: do you offer a full course? Can I get university credit for it?
 95 2011-08-25 03:10:03 <imsaguy> hehe
 96 2011-08-25 03:10:05 <gribble> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Gribble | Jun 12, 2011 ... gribble is a modified Supybot IRC bot, carrying some useful bitcoin-related ... You can also PM commands to gribble and it will PM back. ...
 97 2011-08-25 03:10:05 <nanotube> ;;bc,wiki gribble
 98 2011-08-25 03:10:08 <nanotube> ^ full course
 99 2011-08-25 03:10:15 <nanotube> non-credit :)
100 2011-08-25 03:11:47 <nanotube> (that'll be 1 btc plz :) )
101 2011-08-25 03:12:56 <lfm> nanotube: do you have the CDN $ exchange rates yet  from https://www.cavirtex.com
102 2011-08-25 03:13:44 <nanotube> well, #bitcoin-market reports them... but i don't have the virtex ticker command (yet).
103 2011-08-25 03:14:38 <lfm> nanotube: should I bug them to talk to you?
104 2011-08-25 03:14:39 <nanotube> if they had a nice ticker api like mtgox and tradehill, would be trivial to add
105 2011-08-25 03:15:13 <nanotube> well, if they have api, no need to talk to me, i can shove up a ,,bc,mtgox equivalent in a jiffy.
106 2011-08-25 03:15:14 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":11.03545,"low":10.71,"avg":10.919099222,"vwap":10.896915379,"vol":7876,"last":10.71,"buy":10.71,"sell":10.75}}
107 2011-08-25 03:15:23 <nanotube> if they don't.... then maybe :)
108 2011-08-25 03:17:27 <nanotube> a quick look at the site doesn't reveal any api...
109 2011-08-25 03:17:37 <nanotube> and yet, bcharts does get the trade data from them somehow....
110 2011-08-25 03:57:48 <Wamo> Hey guys.  I'm a Comp Sci major working on my own website which will promote Bitcoins by giving them out.  I am looking for people to beta test my system.  Take a look at www.wesmeredith.com/bitbybit if you have 10 seconds to help me out.
111 2011-08-25 03:58:55 <lfm> Wamo: so how does this tie into your stdudies of it does?
112 2011-08-25 04:00:27 <Wamo> Several ways.  The php & HTML coding needed for the site are a huge advantage.  I am also taking a cryptology class in which we have to come up with a real world applications of crypt. practises
113 2011-08-25 04:01:13 <Wamo> The Mysql and unix the web server are running on are also proving me a great place to practise those skills aswell
114 2011-08-25 04:02:16 <lfm> cool, good luck and have fun with it all.
115 2011-08-25 04:02:47 <Wamo> Thanks
116 2011-08-25 04:03:03 <upb> why th e obsession with crap rdbms's
117 2011-08-25 04:04:15 <lfm> upb you dont like mysql? what would you recomend?
118 2011-08-25 04:11:44 <upb> pg:)
119 2011-08-25 04:14:04 <upb> why choose mysql over pg, there is no reason
120 2011-08-25 04:24:59 <midnightmagic> i am sad to see html r
121 2011-08-25 04:25:11 <midnightmagic> eferred to as "coding" :-(
122 2011-08-25 05:28:33 <jostmey> Hello, I need help checking that my DNS is setup correctly. Can someone check www.searchbitcoin.com to see if the homepage is up instead of an error message? Thanks.
123 2011-08-25 05:31:50 <arcatan> jostmey: works
124 2011-08-25 05:36:47 <lfm> Site Temporarily Unavailable
125 2011-08-25 05:37:38 <lfm> error id: "bad_httpd_conf"
126 2011-08-25 06:36:45 <piuk> is a scriptPubKey like this  "4c554b452d4a522049532041205045444f5048494c4521204f682c20616e6420676f642069736e2774207265616c2c207375636b612e2053746f7020706f6c6c7574696e672074686520626c6f636b636861696e207769746820796f7572206e6f6e73656e73652e OP_CHECKSIG" valid?
127 2011-08-25 06:37:49 <Elvis-> hi guys
128 2011-08-25 06:38:11 <Elvis-> I just installed bitcoin for the first time, version 0.3.24-beta
129 2011-08-25 06:38:37 <Elvis-> however, I can not run it, I see two errors and then it crashes
130 2011-08-25 06:39:32 <Elvis-> can someone help?
131 2011-08-25 06:39:48 <Elvis-> (trying to run it both on a unix and mac environment)
132 2011-08-25 06:40:26 <gjs278> what are the errors
133 2011-08-25 06:40:31 <piuk> what are the errors?
134 2011-08-25 06:40:40 <Elvis-> incoming copy/paste:
135 2011-08-25 06:40:42 <Elvis-> ************************
136 2011-08-25 06:40:43 <Elvis-> EXCEPTION: 22DbRunRecoveryException
137 2011-08-25 06:40:45 <Elvis-> Db::open: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery
138 2011-08-25 06:40:47 <Elvis-> bitcoin in CMyApp::OnUnhandledException()
139 2011-08-25 06:40:49 <Elvis-> this is for the mac version
140 2011-08-25 06:41:00 <Elvis-> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dynamic-link.h: 62: elf_get_dynamic_info: Assertion `! "bad dynamic tag"' failed!
141 2011-08-25 06:41:13 <Elvis-> this is what I get when running it on a unix environment
142 2011-08-25 06:42:26 <piuk> DB might be currport, try renaming ~/Library/Application Support/Bitcoin to Bitcoin2
143 2011-08-25 06:43:43 <Elvis-> did, same issue
144 2011-08-25 06:44:32 <Elvis-> I got a report 'bitcoin quit unexpectedly'
145 2011-08-25 06:46:46 <Elvis-> any other ideas?
146 2011-08-25 06:46:54 <piuk> Are you building from source?
147 2011-08-25 06:47:17 <Elvis-> I downloaded it from http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Bitcoin/bitcoin-0.3.24/bitcoin-0.3.24-macosx.zip/download
148 2011-08-25 06:47:22 <Elvis-> unzipped, and ran the app
149 2011-08-25 06:49:27 <cjdelisle> is it a powerpc mac?
150 2011-08-25 06:49:34 <Elvis-> nop, it's a mac mini
151 2011-08-25 06:49:58 <Elvis-> ~/Library/Application Support/Bitcoin $ cat db.log
152 2011-08-25 06:50:04 <piuk> That binary runs fine for me on a Snow leopard mac mini
153 2011-08-25 06:50:14 <Elvis-> Bitcoin version 0.3.24-beta
154 2011-08-25 06:51:28 <piuk> 10.8?
155 2011-08-25 06:52:36 <Elvis-> that's what it sais
156 2011-08-25 06:54:11 <Elvis-> hum, weird
157 2011-08-25 06:54:23 <Elvis-> if I check at 'about this mac' it's actually 10.6.8
158 2011-08-25 06:55:54 <piuk> Sorry not sure then, I did get the error "EXCEPTION: 22DbRunRecoveryException" once when I built a binary on 10.7 and ran it on 10.6 but that doesn't appear to be the same issue
159 2011-08-25 06:57:10 <cjdelisle> ls -la db.log
160 2011-08-25 06:57:32 <cjdelisle> looks like deeper problems than a bad bitcoin binary
161 2011-08-25 06:57:52 <Elvis-> -rw-------  1 evelea  SINGEL
162 2011-08-25 06:58:54 <cjdelisle> I've never heard of it not being able to cat a file, best of luck :S
163 2011-08-25 07:00:54 <Elvis-> heh :)
164 2011-08-25 07:00:58 <Elvis-> so, any other ideas? :D
165 2011-08-25 07:03:52 <piuk> Can you run the non beta version?
166 2011-08-25 07:06:35 <piuk> Does anyone know for this transaction http://blockexplorer.com/tx/9740e7d646f5278603c04706a366716e5e87212c57395e0d24761c0ae784b2c6 how would I decode the output address? Or is it corrupted?
167 2011-08-25 07:08:24 <cjdelisle> piuk: hex decode it, it's a message making fun of luke-jr
168 2011-08-25 07:08:39 <cjdelisle> (spam transaction)
169 2011-08-25 07:10:07 <piuk> Ah i see, lol
170 2011-08-25 07:10:45 <ThomasV> cjdelisle: how does it work ?
171 2011-08-25 07:11:02 <cjdelisle> how does what work?
172 2011-08-25 07:11:12 <ThomasV> what do I need to decode?
173 2011-08-25 07:11:19 <piuk> http://www.string-functions.com/hex-string.aspx
174 2011-08-25 07:11:23 <piuk> 4c554b452d4a522049532041205045444f5048494c4521204f682c20616e6420676f642069736e2774207265616c2c207375636b612e2053746f7020706f6c6c7574696e672074686520626c6f636b636861696e207769746820796f7572206e6f6e73656e73652e
175 2011-08-25 07:11:47 <ThomasV> oh the pubkey ?
176 2011-08-25 07:12:12 <Elvis-> can someone point me to the non-beta version of bitcoin 0.3.24?
177 2011-08-25 07:15:55 <asher^> Elvis- if you click on the download link on github, theres a link that shows all the download versions
178 2011-08-25 07:18:33 <Elvis-> I may be dumb, but can't find it :)
179 2011-08-25 07:18:39 <Elvis-> here, right? https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin
180 2011-08-25 07:19:20 <asher^> on the right near the top
181 2011-08-25 07:20:20 <Elvis-> and which one should I go for? v0.3.24rc3.zip ?
182 2011-08-25 07:21:03 <asher^> up to you. i use the regular .24 one
183 2011-08-25 07:21:08 <Elvis-> ok
184 2011-08-25 07:25:03 <Elvis-> uhm, do I need to build it?
185 2011-08-25 07:25:28 <asher^> do you just want a version to download and run on windows?
186 2011-08-25 07:25:34 <asher^> you can get it right from bitcoin.org
187 2011-08-25 07:26:56 <Elvis-> on mac :)
188 2011-08-25 07:27:38 <Elvis-> I got the one from bitcoin.org but I can't run it
189 2011-08-25 07:27:50 <Elvis-> doesn't start, keep getting the same errors
190 2011-08-25 07:28:08 <Elvis-> someone recommended not to use the beta version (which is the one on the website right now)
191 2011-08-25 07:30:33 <piuk_> try http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Bitcoin/bitcoin-0.3.23/bitcoin-0.3.23-macosx.zip/download
192 2011-08-25 07:33:17 <Elvis-> same problem :(
193 2011-08-25 07:34:05 <lfm> they're ALL beta versions
194 2011-08-25 07:35:31 <RealSolid> whats wrong with the latest on mac?
195 2011-08-25 07:35:43 <RealSolid> solidcoin mac works ok, except a crash on exit
196 2011-08-25 07:35:47 <RealSolid> im going to fix it soon
197 2011-08-25 07:36:02 <piuk_> doesn't run for Elvis
198 2011-08-25 07:36:06 <RealSolid> hmm
199 2011-08-25 07:36:23 <RealSolid> is he compiling from source or just running binaries
200 2011-08-25 07:36:32 <piuk_> binary
201 2011-08-25 07:37:01 <RealSolid> elvis, doesnt help you much with bitcoin, but try the mac download here, http://solidcoin.info/index.php   , its forked from the latest beta of bitcoin
202 2011-08-25 07:37:10 <RealSolid> if that works it could just be the way those are compiled
203 2011-08-25 07:37:21 <RealSolid> or maybe .25 will work
204 2011-08-25 07:39:23 <RealSolid> the mac bitcoin client has some issues it seems regardless
205 2011-08-25 07:43:07 <lfm> piuk_: simpler to just do "strings -n 20 ~/.bitcoin/blk0001.dat"
206 2011-08-25 07:50:09 <piuk_> When a client does the initial blockchain download does it only down blocks from the best chain i.e. never orphaned blocks?
207 2011-08-25 07:50:34 <lfm> piuk_: generally yes
208 2011-08-25 07:54:14 <ThomasV> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=39153.msg479396#msg479396  <--- I predict wallet theft from trojan will happen at some point
209 2011-08-25 07:55:00 <lfm> ThomasV: hasn't it already?
210 2011-08-25 07:56:59 <doublec> ThomasV: would you be willing to wager on it?
211 2011-08-25 07:57:06 <ThomasV> doublec: no
212 2011-08-25 07:57:22 <ThomasV> not necessarily on solidcoin
213 2011-08-25 07:57:24 <doublec> not much of a prediction then
214 2011-08-25 07:57:36 <doublec> "sometime, somewhere, there will be wallet theft from a trojan"
215 2011-08-25 07:57:49 <doublec> I predict there will be an earthquake at some point
216 2011-08-25 07:57:55 <doublec> and maybe a wat
217 2011-08-25 07:57:59 <doublec> s/wat/war
218 2011-08-25 07:58:10 <ThomasV> all I'm saying is that people downloadin this binary are exposing themselves
219 2011-08-25 07:58:30 <ThomasV> they are easy targets
220 2011-08-25 07:59:18 <Elvis-> RealSolid, I get the same errors with solidcoin
221 2011-08-25 08:06:16 <RealSolid> Elvis-: ok good to know
222 2011-08-25 08:17:03 <RealSolid> ThomasV: people running the bitcoin client are exposing themselves
223 2011-08-25 08:17:21 <ThomasV> RealSolid: are you coinhunter ?
224 2011-08-25 08:17:30 <RealSolid> what better place for a wallet trojan to hide than bitcoin itself? :)
225 2011-08-25 08:17:34 <lfm> people running computers are exposing themselves
226 2011-08-25 08:17:43 <RealSolid> ThomasV: yeah, i also replied to your post
227 2011-08-25 08:18:09 <ThomasV> RealSolid: the bitcoin client is scrutinized by a large community
228 2011-08-25 08:18:34 <RealSolid> is it
229 2011-08-25 08:18:42 <cjdelisle> heh it't true... I can't figure out what that plate of spaghetti is doing
230 2011-08-25 08:18:44 <RealSolid> a large community releases regular updates, where are they
231 2011-08-25 08:19:38 <lfm> RealSolid: nonsense
232 2011-08-25 08:21:54 <RealSolid> ThomasV: just because "a large community" checks the source doesnt mean one guy doesnt compile it
233 2011-08-25 08:22:03 <RealSolid> that one guy can easily insert a trojan, going by your own Post
234 2011-08-25 08:22:21 <ThomasV> RealSolid: that's correct
235 2011-08-25 08:22:22 <RealSolid> i expect you to say the same thing on the bitcoin thread
236 2011-08-25 08:22:27 <RealSolid> link to your post
237 2011-08-25 08:22:30 <lfm> Just because some guy issues regular updates, doent mean it has not torjans
238 2011-08-25 08:22:50 <RealSolid> lfm:  where did i say that?
239 2011-08-25 08:22:56 <ThomasV> RealSolid: I tend to trust the guy who releases the bitcoin binaries. but if you don't, feel free to issue a warning
240 2011-08-25 08:22:57 <RealSolid> i was just saying, i doubt a large community checks bitcoins source code
241 2011-08-25 08:23:16 <RealSolid> if people are going over the source code with a fine tooth comb? why am i fixing bugs
242 2011-08-25 08:23:27 <RealSolid> why am i seeing junk code everywhere?
243 2011-08-25 08:23:42 <lfm> RealSolid: and release rate need not have any corelation with the number of people working on it
244 2011-08-25 08:23:57 <RealSolid> lfm: features, improvements and bug fixes do though
245 2011-08-25 08:24:21 <lfm> solidcoin is junk code
246 2011-08-25 08:24:40 <RealSolid> agreed, considering 98% i didnt write
247 2011-08-25 08:24:48 <RealSolid> its based off bitcoin
248 2011-08-25 08:25:06 <RealSolid> im plugging the holes though
249 2011-08-25 08:25:10 <lfm> and what changes you made are steps backwards imho
250 2011-08-25 08:25:30 <RealSolid> ok, we'll see i guess
251 2011-08-25 08:26:33 <ThomasV> RealSolid: even if you are not trying to scam people, I believe solidcoin is deemed to fail
252 2011-08-25 08:26:36 <RealSolid> i have little invested in solidcoin, i just want a better network
253 2011-08-25 08:26:54 <RealSolid> ThomasV: ok, but i dont know whether i should value your opinion or not
254 2011-08-25 08:27:52 <ThomasV> RealSolid: my opinion on ixcoin is here : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=37592.msg463263#msg463263
255 2011-08-25 08:28:01 <ThomasV> it also holds for solidcoin
256 2011-08-25 08:28:34 <RealSolid> you sound like all the miners who thought that and are now bitter
257 2011-08-25 08:28:46 <ThomasV> I am not a miner
258 2011-08-25 08:29:11 <RealSolid> yes but you sound like them "i though it was a scam, now its gaining popularity and price, boohoohoo"
259 2011-08-25 08:29:30 <ThomasV> all I am saying is that solidcoin is not "different enough" to gain thrust
260 2011-08-25 08:29:58 <RealSolid> why is it gaining then
261 2011-08-25 08:30:03 <RealSolid> why not die like ix/i0
262 2011-08-25 08:30:11 <ThomasV> because it is more recent
263 2011-08-25 08:30:19 <RealSolid> ix/i0 died within 2 days
264 2011-08-25 08:30:27 <RealSolid> http://solidcoin.kicks-ass.org/graphs/graphs.html
265 2011-08-25 08:30:30 <RealSolid> see the linear growth?
266 2011-08-25 08:30:35 <ThomasV> well, perhaps it will never die
267 2011-08-25 08:30:44 <ThomasV> but I do not see it compete with bitcoin
268 2011-08-25 08:31:01 <RealSolid> thats ok, perphaps youve invested yourself too much into bitcoin and dont want it to fail, i understand
269 2011-08-25 08:31:03 <ThomasV> network effects are too strong
270 2011-08-25 08:31:14 <RealSolid> myself ihave a fair amount of btc, but i dont like how bad bitcoin is
271 2011-08-25 08:31:25 <RealSolid> so i fixed the areas i thought needed improving
272 2011-08-25 08:31:42 <RealSolid> i wrote some commerical sites using bitcoin, because i like the idea of it
273 2011-08-25 08:31:52 <ThomasV> what I have invested is not relevant; if I thought solidcoin had a future, I would invest in it
274 2011-08-25 08:31:55 <RealSolid> but the api is junk, the client is junk, and the future as the developers see it, is junk, in my mind
275 2011-08-25 08:32:11 <RealSolid> Bank of America? Running bitcoin
276 2011-08-25 08:32:16 <RealSolid> its hilarity
277 2011-08-25 08:33:05 <RealSolid> on top of all that . the guys with the most btc refuse to invest back into it
278 2011-08-25 08:33:24 <RealSolid> so perhaps a fresh start is exactly whats needed
279 2011-08-25 08:34:26 <lfm> and perhpas bitcoin is good enuf that with its head start none of the competitors will ever get a significant foothold
280 2011-08-25 08:34:35 <RealSolid> lfm: yep, a likely scenario
281 2011-08-25 08:35:13 <ThomasV> RealSolid: why didn't you try to start something really different ? why a bitcoin clone ?
282 2011-08-25 08:35:36 <ThomasV> with a clone, your chances are zero
283 2011-08-25 08:37:08 <ThomasV> I posted several messages in the forum, advocating for a blockchain with infinite supply
284 2011-08-25 08:37:35 <RealSolid> good question ThomasV
285 2011-08-25 08:37:49 <RealSolid> lfm: btw being first is often all you need to succeed, but in some cases it isnt , look at google
286 2011-08-25 08:38:00 <RealSolid> youd rather be the first if you had a choice though
287 2011-08-25 08:38:33 <RealSolid> ThomasV: because there are sites which already accept bitcoin and can easily switch over and start slowly migrating to the better API
288 2011-08-25 08:38:55 <RealSolid> and i understand crypto well enough to know the basic theory in bitcoin security is fine
289 2011-08-25 08:39:12 <ThomasV> huh? I do not see the relation with my question
290 2011-08-25 08:39:18 <RealSolid> the things which arent fine mostly relate to areas outside that, networking, protocol rules, client, etc
291 2011-08-25 08:39:57 <ThomasV> what is the "better API"
292 2011-08-25 08:40:13 <RealSolid> moving to integers for a start
293 2011-08-25 08:40:27 <RealSolid> but also away from needing to run fat clients to access the network
294 2011-08-25 08:40:35 <RealSolid> but i wont give too much away
295 2011-08-25 08:40:43 <ThomasV> but this is already happening
296 2011-08-25 08:40:49 <ThomasV> see libbitcoin
297 2011-08-25 08:40:58 <ThomasV> and see gavin's last post
298 2011-08-25 08:41:01 <RealSolid> its already happening is it
299 2011-08-25 08:41:03 <RealSolid> lol
300 2011-08-25 08:41:06 <RealSolid> see it in 5 years then
301 2011-08-25 08:41:23 <ThomasV> bah, these are not reasons to do a blockchain fork
302 2011-08-25 08:41:34 <RealSolid> anyway if you think sc has no chance you have nothing to worry about
303 2011-08-25 08:41:41 <RealSolid> your fav. will win and you'll be right
304 2011-08-25 08:41:51 <RealSolid> happy days
305 2011-08-25 08:42:29 <ThomasV> no, I am asking why you need a fork in order to address the fat client problem
306 2011-08-25 08:42:37 <ThomasV> this sounds like an excuse
307 2011-08-25 08:43:22 <RealSolid> if you think that is my only concern you havent been reading what ive written or you havent read the website
308 2011-08-25 08:43:30 <ThomasV> and I guess the users who are now investing in this bubble do not give a shit about integers
309 2011-08-25 08:43:56 <ThomasV> they want a et rich quick scheme
310 2011-08-25 08:44:00 <ThomasV> *get*
311 2011-08-25 08:44:09 <noagendamarket> http://youtu.be/43wrf_tALSI
312 2011-08-25 08:46:09 <RealSolid> ThomasV: i cant understand all their motivations
313 2011-08-25 08:46:20 <RealSolid> either way its about 10000% more fair than btc startup as its more known
314 2011-08-25 08:47:32 <ThomasV> now you are talking about fairness...
315 2011-08-25 08:48:13 <RealSolid> sure, you think theres only one reason for SC?
316 2011-08-25 08:48:21 <RealSolid> like i said, read the website instead of trolling
317 2011-08-25 08:48:47 <ThomasV> no, but I think that the technical reasons you provide are not the real ones
318 2011-08-25 08:49:19 <ThomasV> I am reading the site
319 2011-08-25 08:49:37 <RealSolid> right... having a fast network with low block variance, better difficulty against pool attacks and a more fairer share of the early wealth are all poor reasons for SC
320 2011-08-25 08:49:44 <ThomasV> "Near complete shutdown of network due to pump-n-dumps by large operators" <--- fud ?
321 2011-08-25 08:50:01 <ThomasV> when was there a near complete shutddown ?
322 2011-08-25 08:50:04 <RealSolid> ix/i0
323 2011-08-25 08:50:06 <RealSolid> nmc
324 2011-08-25 08:50:20 <RealSolid> nmc has 4 hour blocks atm
325 2011-08-25 08:50:30 <RealSolid> making it nearly unuseable
326 2011-08-25 08:50:49 <noagendamarket> i0coin is closing down
327 2011-08-25 08:50:57 <noagendamarket> because of the pump and dump
328 2011-08-25 08:51:08 <RealSolid> ThomasV: ixcoin is copying solidcoins network defense mechanism
329 2011-08-25 08:51:11 <ThomasV> oh but that reason is listed in the "But do we need an alternative to Bitcoin?" section, not ixcoin not i0coin
330 2011-08-25 08:51:20 <RealSolid> artforz is recommending it also
331 2011-08-25 08:51:30 <RealSolid> im not some amateur programmer here
332 2011-08-25 08:51:44 <ThomasV> bah artforz knows how to take profit of speculation
333 2011-08-25 08:51:56 <RealSolid> indeed and hes pissed he missed SC mining
334 2011-08-25 08:51:59 <RealSolid> haha
335 2011-08-25 08:52:17 <RealSolid> i timed the release for btcguild and the major miners to be asleep so that more individuals could participate
336 2011-08-25 08:53:00 <ThomasV> bah, there is no point trying to convince you ; it's your baby
337 2011-08-25 08:53:16 <RealSolid> thats right, btw how many bitcoin sites/businesses do you run?
338 2011-08-25 08:53:24 <ThomasV> zero
339 2011-08-25 08:53:36 <RealSolid> have you used the develop environment for bitcoin?
340 2011-08-25 08:54:00 <ThomasV> I was planning to launch an online wallet, but the mybitcoin fiasco made me realize this is not the right approach
341 2011-08-25 08:54:22 <ThomasV> I am now developing something else
342 2011-08-25 08:58:01 <RealSolid> well it goes to show even the admitted ignorant can have an opinion about something doesnt it ;)
343 2011-08-25 08:58:37 <ThomasV> ignorant of what ?
344 2011-08-25 08:59:06 <RealSolid> bitcoin
345 2011-08-25 08:59:18 <ThomasV> why?
346 2011-08-25 08:59:33 <erus`> how is bitcoin formed?
347 2011-08-25 09:00:00 <lfm> well if you want stupid listen to this "compootr enjineer"! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0CtyUKUbSw&feature=related
348 2011-08-25 09:01:32 <lfm> erus`: try www.bitcoin.org
349 2011-08-25 09:02:15 <erus`> how is babby formed?
350 2011-08-25 09:02:44 <lfm> erus`: ask google
351 2011-08-25 09:03:12 <erus`> how is formed formed?
352 2011-08-25 09:03:47 <lfm> erus`: how are trolls created?
353 2011-08-25 09:04:47 <erus`> lfm: by that evil lady off of power rangers
354 2011-08-25 09:43:23 <ThomasV> quite often my bitcoind becomes unresponsive to rpc, possibly a deadlock ; is this a known issue ?
355 2011-08-25 09:52:06 <Blitzboom> http://lorna-morgan.com/big-nude-boobs/join/images/solidcoin.gif
356 2011-08-25 09:52:16 <Blitzboom> i hope you people take competition seriously
357 2011-08-25 09:52:48 <ThomasV> is she as real as  her boobs ?
358 2011-08-25 09:53:04 <Blitzboom> if bitcoin doesnt progress fast enough, people will turn to alternatives
359 2011-08-25 09:53:27 <ThomasV> define "progress"
360 2011-08-25 09:53:55 <ThomasV> does "progress" mean price increase?
361 2011-08-25 09:53:57 <Blitzboom> the client mainly
362 2011-08-25 09:54:15 <Blitzboom> the price increase is a reflection of peoples confidence, so that too
363 2011-08-25 09:54:55 <JFK911> it happens in every pump and dump
364 2011-08-25 09:55:10 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * r5b488811759d cgminer/main.c: Only consider pool lagging if more than one item is queued.
365 2011-08-25 09:56:12 <doublec> solidcoin has definitely fired some people up
366 2011-08-25 09:56:26 <doublec> more merchants have started using it than any of the other alternate chains
367 2011-08-25 09:56:35 <doublec> I wonder what the difference was
368 2011-08-25 09:56:48 <Blitzboom> if solidcoin continues to gain traction, i think bitcoin is in a critical condition
369 2011-08-25 09:57:20 <doublec> it must be RealSolid's winning personality
370 2011-08-25 09:57:21 <RealSolid> Blitzboom: it only has 4% of hashing power
371 2011-08-25 09:57:27 <RealSolid> lets not go crazy
372 2011-08-25 09:57:31 <doublec> hehe
373 2011-08-25 09:57:43 <ThomasV> 4% would be a lot
374 2011-08-25 09:57:49 <Blitzboom> RealSolid: solidcoin has 4% of Bitcoins hashing power?!
375 2011-08-25 09:57:56 <Blitzboom> thats 1/25 &
376 2011-08-25 09:58:20 <RealSolid> Blitzboom: yeah ive got one thing most bitcoin developers dont have
377 2011-08-25 09:58:24 <RealSolid> experience
378 2011-08-25 09:58:38 <Blitzboom> experience with what?
379 2011-08-25 09:58:45 <doublec> talking
380 2011-08-25 09:58:47 <RealSolid> nearly everything computer realted
381 2011-08-25 09:58:55 <RealSolid> and yeah, good personality
382 2011-08-25 09:59:33 <Blitzboom> i thought most bitcoin devs were pretty experienced
383 2011-08-25 10:00:09 <RealSolid> if any of them were, theyd have windows experience
384 2011-08-25 10:00:13 <RealSolid> going by the code, nearly none do
385 2011-08-25 10:00:37 <Blitzboom> the code is mostly satoshis
386 2011-08-25 10:01:48 <RealSolid> so the developers dont actually do anything now?
387 2011-08-25 10:01:57 <RealSolid> its not really development if nothing happens
388 2011-08-25 10:02:53 <Blitzboom> dunno, i think they are very conservative with changes
389 2011-08-25 10:03:35 <RealSolid> yah maybe its that
390 2011-08-25 10:04:00 <RealSolid> either way, btc will get better or solidcoin will succeed
391 2011-08-25 10:04:06 <RealSolid> both ways i win as end user
392 2011-08-25 10:16:31 <iddo> doublec: merchants using sc? where did you pull that from?
393 2011-08-25 10:16:49 <iddo> we're under combined attack by 3 sc trolls ? :)
394 2011-08-25 10:18:30 <doublec> iddo: Blitzboom posted one above
395 2011-08-25 10:18:36 <doublec> iddo: also http://solidcoin.info/market.php
396 2011-08-25 10:19:41 <iddo> blah :)
397 2011-08-25 10:20:49 <doublec> iddo: a ruxum user said that ruxum wrote in the internal formums that they were going to add support for it as well
398 2011-08-25 10:20:56 <doublec> which does seem a bit soon
399 2011-08-25 10:21:12 <doublec> I guess they like being on the edge
400 2011-08-25 10:21:55 <iddo> they like pump and dumps ?
401 2011-08-25 10:23:27 <iddo> it's so obvious that all sc participants consider it pump and dump, example http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMining/comments/jppkn/i_made_4_btc_on_a_5770_last_night_mining_these/
402 2011-08-25 10:24:28 <iddo> too bad for the last morons who'd left holding the bag:(
403 2011-08-25 10:24:35 <noagendamarket> wtf is wrong with you
404 2011-08-25 10:24:52 <noagendamarket> solidcoin is the opposite of pump and dump
405 2011-08-25 10:25:17 <noagendamarket> its a reaction to that very thing
406 2011-08-25 10:25:28 <doublec> iddo: my point is this has been taken differently by merchants compared to the other alt chains, which were very pump/dump oriented
407 2011-08-25 10:25:35 <doublec> iddo: people are adopting it, and talking about it
408 2011-08-25 10:25:41 <doublec> iddo: the interesting question is why
409 2011-08-25 10:25:48 <iddo> noagendamarket: then go buy some sc :)
410 2011-08-25 10:26:01 <noagendamarket> I alrready own enough :L)
411 2011-08-25 10:26:18 <iddo> noagendamarket: hold them!
412 2011-08-25 10:26:24 <noagendamarket> of course
413 2011-08-25 10:26:37 <noagendamarket> Ill use it to setup services
414 2011-08-25 10:26:40 <ThomasV> noagendamarket: did you spend some btc to buy them ?
415 2011-08-25 10:26:43 <log0s> i read solidcoin's faq a couple days ago and i find it hard to take seriously
416 2011-08-25 10:26:50 <iddo> doublec: what merchants? the one porn site that you mentioned?
417 2011-08-25 10:27:08 <doublec> iddo: there are 7 merchants on that page
418 2011-08-25 10:27:09 <noagendamarket> yeah at .0009
419 2011-08-25 10:27:26 <doublec> iddo: which is about 6 more than the other chains
420 2011-08-25 10:27:39 <noagendamarket> wile people like you were shitting on it as a scam
421 2011-08-25 10:27:40 <iddo> doublec: i see only one porn site
422 2011-08-25 10:27:53 <doublec> iddo: are you reading the page
423 2011-08-25 10:27:56 <doublec> iddo: "Businesses which accept SolidCoin directly"
424 2011-08-25 10:28:03 <doublec> there are 6 listed there
425 2011-08-25 10:28:11 <iddo> doublec: what page?
426 2011-08-25 10:28:14 <doublec> and the adult one in the adult section, making 7
427 2011-08-25 10:28:27 <doublec> iddo: the one I pasted before http://solidcoin.info/market.php
428 2011-08-25 10:29:59 <iddo> doublec: my guess all listed there is fake
429 2011-08-25 10:30:36 <doublec> iddo: you'd be guessing wrong
430 2011-08-25 10:30:46 <doublec> iddo: since many of them are long time bitcoin users
431 2011-08-25 10:31:06 <genjix> funny enough i read iddo's nick combined with doublec's d and l
432 2011-08-25 10:31:23 <noagendamarket> dildo ?
433 2011-08-25 10:32:14 <iddo> doublec: ok maybe something like poker isn't fake, but maybe the site takes their cut as btc
434 2011-08-25 10:32:57 <doublec> genjix, you live! how's your poker site going?
435 2011-08-25 10:33:11 <genjix> doublec: i've been busy on #bitcoinconsultancy
436 2011-08-25 10:33:17 <doublec> so abandoned?
437 2011-08-25 10:33:17 <genjix> irc can be distracting :p
438 2011-08-25 10:33:23 <doublec> or passed on?
439 2011-08-25 10:33:26 <genjix> https://gitorious.org/libbitcoin/libbitcoin
440 2011-08-25 10:33:34 <doublec> yeah I read about that
441 2011-08-25 10:34:02 <genjix> also the exchange
442 2011-08-25 10:34:15 <genjix> poker software will happen, just not for a while
443 2011-08-25 10:34:19 <doublec> ah, ok
444 2011-08-25 10:34:33 <genjix> we need to build the network infrastructure firstly :)
445 2011-08-25 10:36:34 <iddo> genjix: can you do it without trusting central website as escrow? using https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Contracts
446 2011-08-25 10:37:12 <genjix> there's a bunch of things you can do to lessen the pain
447 2011-08-25 10:37:33 <genjix> CHECKMULTISIG for shared wallets, and distributed dealing by the whole table.
448 2011-08-25 10:39:16 <iddo> if all players lock their bitcoins at start, then using mental poker multiparty computation, that wouldn't involve trust
449 2011-08-25 10:39:36 <iddo> but someone could refuse to unlock...
450 2011-08-25 10:39:41 <iddo> if he loses:)
451 2011-08-25 10:40:22 <iddo> so one way is cope with it is to lock 2x btc when you deposit x btc, so he has incentive to unlock
452 2011-08-25 10:40:54 <coderrr> iddo, as gmaxwell pointed out to me, there's still an extortion attack there
453 2011-08-25 10:41:11 <coderrr> if one party needs their coins less than the others, he can tell them to send 1% of theirs to him for him to unlock
454 2011-08-25 10:41:16 <iddo> the more complex multiparty computation protocol is called gradual release (but there's no low-level support for that in bitcoin)
455 2011-08-25 10:42:08 <iddo> coderrr: yes i talked with gmaxwell about extortion, the basic feature that still holds true is that you only lose money if you are dishonest
456 2011-08-25 10:42:44 <coderrr> you mean if any one of the people is dishonest? or what ?
457 2011-08-25 10:43:11 <genjix> iddo: yep that's the problem
458 2011-08-25 10:43:15 <iddo> anyway player could decide if they wish to trust central escrow, or not trust anyone and expose themselves to this extorsion game-theory stuff... there's no way to avoid it
459 2011-08-25 10:43:32 <coderrr> yea
460 2011-08-25 10:43:32 <genjix> but CHECKMULTISIG is the way imo
461 2011-08-25 10:44:56 <lfm> or just OP_AND?
462 2011-08-25 10:44:58 <iddo> coderrr: if you deposit x btc by unlocking 2x btc (sighash_all default flag, so lock is valid only when all players sign the txn), then if you refule to release the btc after the you lose in poker, then you also lose your extra x btc
463 2011-08-25 10:45:28 <coderrr> iddo, right, but so does everyone else right ?
464 2011-08-25 10:45:49 <iddo> coderrr: i.e. all players agree in advance that this is the protocol, and if someone is dishonest and refuse to honor the protocl then he only loses more of his btc
465 2011-08-25 10:46:14 <iddo> unless players agree to be extorted...
466 2011-08-25 10:46:27 <coderrr> right, or just , the rich asshole attack
467 2011-08-25 10:46:29 <genjix> i mean for having a wallet owned by several trusted people
468 2011-08-25 10:46:36 <coderrr> who throws away his money to piss others off
469 2011-08-25 10:46:40 <genjix> so one guy cannot steal all funds
470 2011-08-25 10:46:43 <genjix> anyway afk
471 2011-08-25 10:47:25 <iddo> genjix: you can do secret sharing for the address that can unlock, but that has other problems
472 2011-08-25 10:48:23 <iddo> if not everyone's signature is needed to release the btc, then cheaters can combine together and steal someone elses btc
473 2011-08-25 10:49:35 <lfm> iddo ya, but then sometimes you want any 2 of 3 signatures also.
474 2011-08-25 10:49:52 <iddo> the other suggestion that i mentioned is called gradual release, i.e. when someone loses the poker game he receives the rest of the btc that he deposited, in exchange for releasing his control over it
475 2011-08-25 10:49:58 <iddo> but that's more complex:(
476 2011-08-25 10:52:08 <iddo> lfm: yes bitcoin has low-level support for threshold secret sharing (2 of 3 etc.), but not sure if there's real-world scenario w.r.t. poker etc.
477 2011-08-25 10:52:41 <iddo> i think that requiring everyone's signature is the better way
478 2011-08-25 10:53:19 <lfm> poker isnt real world
479 2011-08-25 11:04:15 <brisket> zzz
480 2011-08-25 11:07:30 <piuk_> Is it possible to get the public key from a ScriptSig with only the <sig> part?
481 2011-08-25 11:07:33 <piuk_> e.g. "scriptSig" : "3045022100f866278ecd044a2630d7ffaab14a4d9eab1e18351fcb61c5b2f8cfed9dedd7e30220784074b7118b68de4b1aaa41223c8dff2bfbd5c64577c50fe8d3d616b299340e01"
482 2011-08-25 11:08:13 <lfm> How do I know I exist? 1. Sit at desk 2. Open drawer 3. Put fingers in drawer 4. Slam drawer shut  ....  Yup I exist!
483 2011-08-25 11:08:38 <lfm> piuk_: no
484 2011-08-25 11:09:08 <piuk_> thanks
485 2011-08-25 11:10:05 <lfm> piuk_: the "sig" is just a hash of the key. it is the nature of cryptographic hashes that they are not reversable
486 2011-08-25 11:13:14 <lfm> nanotube: there is bid/ask
487 2011-08-25 11:27:10 <hloti> hi people. had a question about bitcoins p2p capability
488 2011-08-25 11:27:25 <lfm> what is the question?
489 2011-08-25 11:27:36 <WildSoil> ;;bc,stats
490 2011-08-25 11:27:39 <gribble> Current Blocks: 142530 | Current Difficulty: 1805700.8361937 | Next Difficulty At Block: 143135 | Next Difficulty In: 605 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 1 hour, 28 minutes, and 20 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1850185.35689645
491 2011-08-25 11:28:09 <hloti> what functions does this p2p support? does it allow searching the shared content of other node? in other words, can one use the technology to further develop file sharing capability to it?
492 2011-08-25 11:28:57 <lfm> hloti: it support the bitcoin block chain. its not really a general pupose p2p library or anything
493 2011-08-25 11:30:25 <hloti> LFM) i want to develop a p2p mobile application with bitcoin paymnet functions in it. but i also want to be able to seach nodes in network for their shared content. this could be a small xml file. is this functionality already built in the core, or it does not exist
494 2011-08-25 11:30:49 <lfm> hloti: no
495 2011-08-25 11:31:36 <hloti> ok so it can only update the block chain. thats it
496 2011-08-25 11:32:41 <lfm> hloti: thats what it does. it is open source so you could change it to do anything but I dont think people would really want you to be able to check their systems for files really.
497 2011-08-25 11:34:18 <hloti> LFM) yes i understand that. i was mainly thinking to search the content of an xlm file that contains some structured data that the user creates through the app and then shares it. but as you say, this part needs to be developed in it
498 2011-08-25 11:35:15 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * re81a362b5f06 cgminer/main.c: Bump threshhold for lag up to maximum queued but no staged work.
499 2011-08-25 11:36:00 <hloti> LFM) do you know of any other p2p technologies available to do this fucntion for use in developing and android p2p app
500 2011-08-25 11:38:05 <lfm> hloti: you mean like bittorrent or something? no really
501 2011-08-25 11:38:14 <lfm> not really
502 2011-08-25 11:39:06 <hloti> LFM) yes some  thing like that. because those can connect and search files. but any ways, thank you so much for your kind respons. have a great day.
503 2011-08-25 13:01:32 <UukGoblin> I'm trying to understand the Standard Transaction script: <sig> <pubKey> OP_DUP... I understand pubKey is the public address of the recipient of coins... what should signature contain and which key should it use?
504 2011-08-25 13:02:18 <UukGoblin> on the wiki it says "a signature to show evidence of the private key corresponding to the public key just provided" - but we've provided a public key of the /recipient/, so how would we know his private key?
505 2011-08-25 13:02:59 <upb> lo
506 2011-08-25 13:03:02 <upb> lol
507 2011-08-25 13:03:07 <upb> the recipient knows his private key
508 2011-08-25 13:03:33 <kinlo> you give the public key, and you give the signature, of the receipient of the transaction you are trying to spend
509 2011-08-25 13:03:49 <kinlo> as a bitcoin address does not contain the public key...
510 2011-08-25 13:04:08 <UukGoblin> oh, right... so s/recipient/sender/
511 2011-08-25 13:05:14 <upb> a sender is a recipient awell yes :)
512 2011-08-25 13:05:20 <UukGoblin> so you sign your public key with your private key?
513 2011-08-25 13:05:26 <upb> no
514 2011-08-25 13:05:39 <upb> you sign the transaction with your private key
515 2011-08-25 13:05:51 <UukGoblin> ah, the entire transaction
516 2011-08-25 13:05:56 <UukGoblin> yeah, makes sense
517 2011-08-25 13:06:23 <log0s> UukGoblin: this might help: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/OP_CHECKSIG
518 2011-08-25 13:07:03 <UukGoblin> log0s, ah, thanks
519 2011-08-25 13:14:43 <UukGoblin> the whole recipient/sender is confusing ;-)
520 2011-08-25 13:58:29 <epscy> ;;bc,stats
521 2011-08-25 13:58:32 <gribble> Current Blocks: 142539 | Current Difficulty: 1805700.8361937 | Next Difficulty At Block: 143135 | Next Difficulty In: 596 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 0 hours, 41 minutes, and 4 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1840645.47706339
522 2011-08-25 13:58:56 <epscy> be interested to see if the difficulty drops again this increase
523 2011-08-25 13:59:09 <epscy> after this increase even
524 2011-08-25 14:08:51 <asher^> how does one extract the transations in a block?
525 2011-08-25 14:14:02 <UukGoblin> asher^, blockexplorer.com?
526 2011-08-25 14:15:53 <asher^> UukGoblin i mean how would i do it on my own.. looks like i need a patch
527 2011-08-25 14:17:32 <UukGoblin> there's various tools for that
528 2011-08-25 14:19:05 <asher^> such as?
529 2011-08-25 14:22:13 <UukGoblin> asher^, google shows https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=26484 for instance...
530 2011-08-25 14:22:24 <UukGoblin> I'm quite sure blockexplorer's source is available somewhere too
531 2011-08-25 14:23:15 <asher^> ty
532 2011-08-25 14:25:15 <phantomcircuit> UukGoblin, it isn't
533 2011-08-25 14:26:17 <UukGoblin> phantomcircuit, oh, that's a shame
534 2011-08-25 14:33:13 <asher^> anyone used gavins monitoraddress/blocks patch on .24?
535 2011-08-25 15:41:47 <asher^> hmm, what exactly is the difference between getblockcount and getblocknumber?