1 2011-09-09 00:00:03 <Lopuz> im not talking osi model here, but is it not really?
  2 2011-09-09 00:00:43 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * r25c77ae85f39 cgminer/ (adl.c main.c): Only display values in the log if they're supported and standardise device log line printing.
  3 2011-09-09 00:06:30 <lfm> Lopuz: irc is only used to find other nodes when you are starting out, bitcoin then opens a custom bitcoin only port for all bitcoin protocol communications
  4 2011-09-09 00:06:31 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: ?
  5 2011-09-09 00:08:52 <lfm> Matth1a3: bitcoin in a box starts out with difficulty 0.125 doesnt it? why would you need less?
  6 2011-09-09 00:10:44 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * rab67b14460a5 cgminer/main.c: Make RPM 4 characters wide in curses status for neatness.
  7 2011-09-09 00:11:11 <LOLROFL> Anyone know off the top of their head, is per account encryption on the roadmap yet?
  8 2011-09-09 00:11:31 <Matth1a3> lfm: because at that rate I am waiting 2 hours to generate a block with the python miner
  9 2011-09-09 00:11:39 <Matth1a3> it's mining at 86kh/s
 10 2011-09-09 00:12:06 <lfm> Matth1a3: what is that a pentium II?
 11 2011-09-09 00:12:06 <Matth1a3> and I need two blocks
 12 2011-09-09 00:12:13 <Matth1a3> lol no
 13 2011-09-09 00:12:28 <lfm> ? its that slow
 14 2011-09-09 00:12:28 <LOLROFL> kh/s?
 15 2011-09-09 00:12:30 <Matth1a3> i generate a block per minute using -gen
 16 2011-09-09 00:12:35 <LOLROFL> That's slow as fuck
 17 2011-09-09 00:12:39 <Matth1a3> with the python miner, yes
 18 2011-09-09 00:12:48 <lfm> what cpu? gpu?
 19 2011-09-09 00:12:54 <Matth1a3> meh, nvm - i'll get a different miner
 20 2011-09-09 00:13:19 <Matth1a3> lol i have 4x3.2ghz 6950x2
 21 2011-09-09 00:13:44 <lfm> Matth1a3: to make a LOWWER diff youd have to make a new genisis block. Im not sure exactly how youd do that
 22 2011-09-09 00:13:56 <Matth1a3> ok, thanks
 23 2011-09-09 00:16:30 <lfm> that python miner is prolly only using one of your cpu and its not optimized at all then Id guess.
 24 2011-09-09 00:16:59 <lfm> you might try starting 4 of them up to use all your cores
 25 2011-09-09 00:17:25 <lfm> it prolly wont use the gpus
 26 2011-09-09 00:19:42 <lfm> and 4x3.2 ghz could be like a dual p4 (two p4 chips with hyperthreading) they'd be pretty bad by todays standards.
 27 2011-09-09 00:20:41 <lfm> I doubt thats what you meant
 28 2011-09-09 00:21:56 <lfm> if you meant the bitcointalk.org/?topic=1334.0 - Cached
 29 2011-09-09 00:22:14 <lfm> ???oops, bad paste, sorry
 30 2011-09-09 00:22:48 <lfm> if you meant the python opencl miner then it should be doing a hell of a lot more than 86kh/s
 31 2011-09-09 00:23:58 <lfm> Matth1a3: hello?
 32 2011-09-09 00:30:45 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * re7ec2d0471eb cgminer/README: Update README.
 33 2011-09-09 00:30:46 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * rc486e5580247 cgminer/NEWS: Update NEWS.
 34 2011-09-09 00:30:47 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * r5abf83860ba6 cgminer/configure.ac: Bump version to 2.0.1
 35 2011-09-09 00:40:59 <Matth1a3> lfm: sorry was afk - ok i will try running more instances of it
 36 2011-09-09 00:43:06 <lfm> Matth1a3: do you mean the python opencl miner?
 37 2011-09-09 00:44:59 <Matth1a3> there is a miner in the bitcoin 0.4.0rc1 /contrib/pyminer folder
 38 2011-09-09 00:45:27 <lfm> oh
 39 2011-09-09 00:46:01 <lfm> I dont think your spozed to try to use it. just make your own efficient miner based on it
 40 2011-09-09 00:46:45 <Matth1a3> i'll just use poclbm, np
 41 2011-09-09 00:47:24 <lfm> much better choice
 42 2011-09-09 01:55:27 <pavel> hey, have a question - what is pnSeed[] array? These are seed nodes, but who controls them and what theses nodes are? Just regular bitcoin daemon?
 43 2011-09-09 01:56:27 <freewil> pavel, yes i believe they are just regular bitcoin daemons that have been deemed reliable by the devs
 44 2011-09-09 01:56:50 <freewil> as in they are pseudo-permanent with high uptime
 45 2011-09-09 01:57:08 <pavel> thanx freewil!
 46 2011-09-09 01:57:15 <pavel> kinda too many... )
 47 2011-09-09 01:57:19 <pavel> whatever )
 48 2011-09-09 02:08:00 <newmine> hi everybody, i'm trying to write a bitcoin mining program but i'm kinda new to bitcoins, does any one have an example of the workload that a pool server sends to the miners?
 49 2011-09-09 02:10:11 <Disposition> newmine: many of the miners is open source, look at pushpool for more information.
 50 2011-09-09 02:10:24 <newmine> ok, thanks
 51 2011-09-09 02:13:47 <devrandom> ;;later tell BlueMatt makomk> devrandom: the Windows build of miniupnpc tries to execute a Windows binary, and the Linux build is broken due to the use of -f when unpacking the 64-bit  wxWidgets.
 52 2011-09-09 02:13:47 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
 53 2011-09-09 02:14:05 <devrandom> ;;later tell BlueMatt makomk> devrandom: see https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=42198.msg514312#msg514312
 54 2011-09-09 02:14:06 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
 55 2011-09-09 02:37:42 <newmine> i was looking at the source for jsminer earlier and i was able to reverse-enginere some of it, but i got stuck at the part where jsminer just used eval() to do all the work in the workload.  can anybody help me understand what type of math operations need to be done in the workload?
 56 2011-09-09 02:49:22 <Disposition> newmine: look up getwork RPC call from bitcoind
 57 2011-09-09 07:25:12 <edcba> ;;bc,mtgox
 58 2011-09-09 07:25:13 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":7.04,"low":5.93,"avg":6.537207532,"vwap":6.376638515,"vol":75503,"last":5.93881,"buy":6.00714,"sell":6.00735}}
 59 2011-09-09 07:49:23 <gjs278> ;;bc,stats
 60 2011-09-09 07:49:25 <gribble> Current Blocks: 144595 | Current Difficulty: 1777774.4820015 | Next Difficulty At Block: 145151 | Next Difficulty In: 556 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 22 hours, 21 minutes, and 56 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1769463.14053417
 61 2011-09-09 08:32:10 <lfm> ;;calc [bc,totlbc] * [ticker --last]
 62 2011-09-09 08:32:11 <gribble> Error: "bc,totlbc" is not a valid command.
 63 2011-09-09 08:32:16 <lfm> ;;calc [bc,totalbc] * [ticker --last]
 64 2011-09-09 08:32:17 <gribble> 7,230,100.00000000 * 5.98 = 43,235,998
 65 2011-09-09 09:06:11 <kinlo> how much diskspace is a wallet directory supposed to take?
 66 2011-09-09 09:06:16 <kinlo> I'm now already over 5 gig
 67 2011-09-09 09:06:40 <kinlo> this starts to be getting quite large for just a small tool
 68 2011-09-09 09:07:03 <lfm> kinlo you spamming addresses?
 69 2011-09-09 09:07:26 <kinlo> ?
 70 2011-09-09 09:07:32 <kinlo> I'm not doing anything special
 71 2011-09-09 09:07:53 <lfm> have you delt out tiny amounts of bitcoin to thousands of bitcoin addresses?
 72 2011-09-09 09:08:08 <kinlo> no
 73 2011-09-09 09:08:35 <Eliel> my .bitcoin is 2.4GB, no wallet usage on this system.
 74 2011-09-09 09:08:44 <kinlo> besides, most of the diskspace goes to the database/ dir
 75 2011-09-09 09:08:49 <lfm> Oh you mean the whole directory?
 76 2011-09-09 09:08:57 <kinlo> yeah
 77 2011-09-09 09:09:17 <Eliel> what's the database dir for?
 78 2011-09-09 09:09:29 <lfm> the wallet file is your wallet. the blk*.dat files are the block chain and the log files are log files
 79 2011-09-09 09:09:30 <kinlo> There are berkley files in it
 80 2011-09-09 09:09:43 <kinlo> but I haven't spent time figuring out what is wat
 81 2011-09-09 09:09:59 <lfm> the database dir is for database recovery in case of crashes
 82 2011-09-09 09:10:45 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * rbcba6f83fbc3 cgminer/main.c: Exit cleanly if we abort before various threads are set up or if they no longer exist.
 83 2011-09-09 09:10:47 <kinlo> yeah, but it is too large :)
 84 2011-09-09 09:10:59 <lfm> fi you stop bitcoin for a moment you can just delete the database subdirectory
 85 2011-09-09 09:11:15 <kinlo> besides, database can be rebuild, as long as you have the blockchain, which is still just one file
 86 2011-09-09 09:11:36 <lfm> well , ya but it would take a while
 87 2011-09-09 09:11:57 <Eliel> I think there should be some automatic cleanup of the database directory.
 88 2011-09-09 09:12:11 <lfm> the block chain is actually two files. the raw data in blk0001.dat and the index blkindex.dat
 89 2011-09-09 09:12:29 <kinlo> yeah, but file corruption isn't supposed to happen anyway :)
 90 2011-09-09 09:12:39 <kinlo> what's in addr.dat?
 91 2011-09-09 09:12:42 <lfm> there is a partial automatic cleanup if you just start and stop and do nothing else
 92 2011-09-09 09:12:58 <lfm> addr.dat is network addresses of peer nodes
 93 2011-09-09 09:13:05 <kinlo> right
 94 2011-09-09 09:13:48 <Eliel> was about time to restart bitcoind it seems, the VPS it's running on was close to running out of memory :P
 95 2011-09-09 09:14:09 <lfm> well ya, mistakes arnt suposed to happen. never hurts to have some insurance tho.
 96 2011-09-09 09:15:13 <lfm> ever hear that the definition of a trivial program is one without bugs?
 97 2011-09-09 09:15:25 <kinlo> so basicly the wallet.dat is the only file that contains more then just one thing?
 98 2011-09-09 09:15:38 <lfm> kinlo no
 99 2011-09-09 09:16:08 <kinlo> what's in the other databases then?
100 2011-09-09 09:16:19 <lfm> blk0001.dat contains block and transations and timestamps and hashes and lots of stuff
101 2011-09-09 09:16:31 <kinlo> it contains only blocks
102 2011-09-09 09:16:38 <lfm> just the three databases afaik
103 2011-09-09 09:16:40 <kinlo> a block contains transactions
104 2011-09-09 09:16:55 <kinlo> but still the database only contains blocks
105 2011-09-09 09:16:59 <lfm> and block headers
106 2011-09-09 09:17:10 <kinlo> block headers are a part of the block
107 2011-09-09 09:17:12 <lfm> and file marks
108 2011-09-09 09:17:15 <kinlo> the first part :p
109 2011-09-09 09:17:21 <kinlo> what file marks do you mean?
110 2011-09-09 09:17:43 <lfm> there are 4 special bytes outside the blocks between each block
111 2011-09-09 09:18:13 <kinlo> markers to reconstruct corrupt blockchains?
112 2011-09-09 09:18:29 <lfm> pretty useless afaik
113 2011-09-09 09:19:00 <lfm> if your blk*.dat files are that corrupt you should just erase them and start over
114 2011-09-09 09:19:42 <gmaxwell> I thought it coded the length then the data.
115 2011-09-09 09:20:30 <lfm> the length is separate from the "marks"
116 2011-09-09 09:21:08 <lfm> f9 be b4 d9 (for the regular blk0001.dat
117 2011-09-09 09:21:19 <lfm> slightly different for testnet
118 2011-09-09 09:22:04 <lfm> fa bf b5 da for testnet
119 2011-09-09 09:24:27 <lfm> the same 4 bytes are used as protocol markers on block on the p2p net also
120 2011-09-09 09:24:56 <lfm> but they are outside the blocks per se
121 2011-09-09 09:59:43 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,mtgox
122 2011-09-09 09:59:44 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":7.04,"low":5.30287,"avg":6.413677561,"vwap":6.20441172,"vol":105551,"last":5.548,"buy":5.52264,"sell":5.548}}
123 2011-09-09 10:31:53 <lfm> ;;calc [bc,totalbc] * [ticker --last]
124 2011-09-09 10:31:54 <gribble> 7,231,050.00000000 * 5.54 = 40,060,017
125 2011-09-09 11:10:57 <Blitzboom> any dev sold his bitcoins?
126 2011-09-09 11:11:18 <Blitzboom> be honest
127 2011-09-09 11:15:28 <MT`AwAy> my bitcoind uses 1GB of ram
128 2011-09-09 11:16:00 <UukGoblin> my uses 94MB
129 2011-09-09 11:17:51 <iddo> MT`AwAy: is that the bitcoind that handles mtgox deposits and withdrawals?
130 2011-09-09 11:18:33 <MT`AwAy> iddo: one of them
131 2011-09-09 11:18:48 <MT`AwAy> the oldest one, in fact
132 2011-09-09 11:21:09 <doublec> ne of mine uses 1GB too
133 2011-09-09 11:21:12 <doublec> s/ne/one
134 2011-09-09 11:34:40 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen master * r5a3dea4 / (src/main.cpp src/main.h src/rpc.cpp): Merge branch 'unique_coinbase' of git://gitorious.org/~Luke-Jr/bitcoin/luke-jr-bitcoin into unique_coinbase - http://git.io/TbRfyg
135 2011-09-09 11:35:37 <phungus> For vi lovers: http://michael.peopleofhonoronly.com/vim/
136 2011-09-09 12:24:01 <BTC967> My client isn't updating blocks since it has been installed and the original blocks were downloaded. It's behind about 300 right now. Does anyone know why this may be?
137 2011-09-09 12:24:24 <UukGoblin> BTC967, have you got any connections?
138 2011-09-09 12:24:48 <UukGoblin> and yes, there were problems reported with blockchain downloads
139 2011-09-09 12:25:11 <BTC967> I've tried restarting the program, and I believe I have the latest version (0.3.24). My connections were originally at 8 but now they are hovering between 1 and 2. I do not have a router hooked up and I'm not sure how I can port forward without one, if even possible.
140 2011-09-09 12:26:02 <UukGoblin> yeah, there's definitely a problem somewhere. I don't know any more though, sorry
141 2011-09-09 12:26:16 <BTC967> Is it on my end or are many people having the same problem?
142 2011-09-09 12:26:41 <UukGoblin> some people are having this problem, not sure how many
143 2011-09-09 12:26:54 <UukGoblin> try using "fallback nodes" perhaps
144 2011-09-09 12:31:15 <d33tah> hi
145 2011-09-09 12:31:19 <BTC967> I'm reading the how to on the bitcoin.it but where do I implement the nodes? Sorry I don't have much experience with anything technical.
146 2011-09-09 12:31:40 <d33tah> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=42284.0 - do you think this system could be useful for beginner developers?
147 2011-09-09 12:34:56 <UukGoblin> BTC967, you have to add them on the commandline when you start bitcoin
148 2011-09-09 12:39:48 <BTC967> In command prompt? There's no command line in my btc client afaik
149 2011-09-09 12:49:02 <UukGoblin> BTC967, yes, in your system's command prompt
150 2011-09-09 12:49:26 <wasabi2> I'm not sure what a bounty is, so I can't answer that, at least.
151 2011-09-09 12:49:30 <UukGoblin> cmd in winblows, gnome-terminal or konsole or some other terminal in linux
152 2011-09-09 12:50:02 <wasabi2> Oh. I get it.
153 2011-09-09 12:50:52 <wasabi2> I think whatever effort you'd put into developing a bounty system would be more useful in solving the things which might potentially be on said bounty system. ;)
154 2011-09-09 12:51:34 <UukGoblin> I'm just eating a Bounty
155 2011-09-09 12:51:41 <UukGoblin> nom nom
156 2011-09-09 12:51:53 <wasabi2> I'm cleaning my desk with bounty.
157 2011-09-09 12:52:11 <wasabi2> It's the quicker picker upper.
158 2011-09-09 12:52:41 <UukGoblin> wasabi2, http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/19/Bounty-Wrapper-Small.jpg <- that's my Bounty, how does your look?
159 2011-09-09 12:53:35 <wasabi2> http://goodsilove.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/bounty-paper-towel.jpg
160 2011-09-09 13:02:52 <ThomasV> do you guys know who is behind bitcoinvps.net ? any experience with them ?
161 2011-09-09 13:04:53 <UukGoblin> wasabi2, heh, cool
162 2011-09-09 13:05:24 <UukGoblin> ThomasV, nope, and the site is blocked by my company's Websense for "Potentially Damaging Content"
163 2011-09-09 13:05:34 <UukGoblin> solidcoin.info was blocked for the same reason
164 2011-09-09 13:05:44 <UukGoblin> although that doesn't necessarily have to mean anything
165 2011-09-09 13:05:53 <UukGoblin> other than Websense is crap
166 2011-09-09 13:05:59 <ThomasV> what is wensense ?
167 2011-09-09 13:06:16 <UukGoblin> some proxy-type website filtering solution
168 2011-09-09 13:06:25 <UukGoblin> so that you can't browse pr0n in the office
169 2011-09-09 13:06:41 <UukGoblin> or install viruses on company windows boxes (which I don't have)
170 2011-09-09 13:11:41 <luke-jr> ThomasV: http://lightfoot.dashjr.org/?page=vps ;)
171 2011-09-09 13:14:24 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, why are your prices higher in btc than in usd
172 2011-09-09 13:14:58 <mtrlt> btc is a lot more volatile you know
173 2011-09-09 13:15:38 <phantomcircuit> it's like twice the price
174 2011-09-09 13:15:49 <mtrlt> and?
175 2011-09-09 13:16:14 <mtrlt> btc is not a very good store of value right now
176 2011-09-09 13:16:14 <phantomcircuit> you dont need to double the pirce to cover the float lol
177 2011-09-09 13:18:53 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: make me an offer ;)
178 2011-09-09 13:19:19 <luke-jr> IIRC I updated prices when BTC was ~$2 last
179 2011-09-09 13:19:20 <luke-jr> :P
180 2011-09-09 13:19:21 <BlueMattBot> Project Bitcoin-Sanitytest build #19: FAILURE in 1 hr 2 min: http://jenkins.bluematt.me/job/Bitcoin-Sanitytest/19/
181 2011-09-09 13:20:06 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * rb609c194b301 gentoo/net-p2p/ (4 files in 2 dirs): net-p2p/bitcoind and net-p2p/wxbitcoin: 0.4.0_rc2
182 2011-09-09 13:42:00 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: did you see the news?
183 2011-09-09 13:42:43 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: us to become first to file re: patents unless obama grows some balls and vetos
184 2011-09-09 13:42:54 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: yeah
185 2011-09-09 13:43:16 <luke-jr> basically destroys prior art argument :|
186 2011-09-09 13:43:31 <jrmithdobbs> best part is the legislation adds an appeals process
187 2011-09-09 13:43:34 <jrmithdobbs> but makes it worthless
188 2011-09-09 13:44:15 <jrmithdobbs> because you have to prove (to some as-yet-undefined standard) that they derived their "process" based on information from you (the inventor) DIRECTLY
189 2011-09-09 13:44:21 <jrmithdobbs> lol
190 2011-09-09 13:44:28 <jrmithdobbs> corporate protectionism at it's best :(
191 2011-09-09 14:17:43 <CIA-101> DiabloMiner: Patrick McFarland master * r765484a / src/main/java/com/diablominer/DiabloMiner/DiabloMiner.java :
192 2011-09-09 14:20:21 <dikidera> nice job on bitcoin.org
193 2011-09-09 14:20:26 <dikidera> like the new design
194 2011-09-09 14:20:42 <dikidera> i think i might snatch some stuff for future websites if i have any like that
195 2011-09-09 14:21:11 <da2ce7_> I prefered the old design... it was more clean.
196 2011-09-09 14:21:19 <dikidera> this one
197 2011-09-09 14:21:22 <dikidera> is web 2.0
198 2011-09-09 14:21:25 <dikidera> much better
199 2011-09-09 14:21:26 <dikidera> and very 2011
200 2011-09-09 14:21:28 <da2ce7_> bah
201 2011-09-09 14:21:29 <da2ce7_> :P
202 2011-09-09 14:21:51 <da2ce7_> just give me a static page with the main info.
203 2011-09-09 14:22:07 <da2ce7_> also the old site had a nice big bitcoin logo.
204 2011-09-09 14:22:08 <da2ce7_> :)
205 2011-09-09 14:23:22 <Guest32812> I think the first sentence could use some work... being invented by Satoshi is not a key feature.
206 2011-09-09 14:23:46 <Guest32812> that it can be transferred globally in about an hour is.
207 2011-09-09 14:24:04 <pasky> I agree
208 2011-09-09 14:25:38 <tcatm> dikidera: http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/
209 2011-09-09 14:25:41 <pasky> I'd just shorten it: Bitcoin is a peer-to-peer digital currency, where no central authority issues...
210 2011-09-09 14:26:35 <tcatm> pasky: you can make pull requests on https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.github.com
211 2011-09-09 14:27:09 <pasky> I have a paper to submit by tomorrow, unfortunately :)
212 2011-09-09 14:27:29 <Guest32812> Bitcoin is an Internet currency that uses peer-to-peer technology to enable instant payments at virtually no cost.
213 2011-09-09 14:27:52 <BlueMatt> Guest32812: ?
214 2011-09-09 14:28:06 <pasky> BlueMatt: we are bikeshedding the first bitcoin.org sentence
215 2011-09-09 14:28:16 <BlueMatt> ah
216 2011-09-09 14:28:48 <BlueMatt> "Bitcoin is a peer-to-peer network that acts as a distributed notary service"
217 2011-09-09 14:28:58 <BlueMatt> also, whats wrong with the current one
218 2011-09-09 14:29:02 <Guest32812> you could add the word startup and remove instant if you want to go more realistic
219 2011-09-09 14:29:26 <BlueMatt> and tcatm the page looks wrong when you load it initially in chrome, but works after you refresh...havent looked at why yet...
220 2011-09-09 14:29:26 <Guest32812> BlueMatt: being invented by Satoshi isn't a key feature...while of course we all respect what he did
221 2011-09-09 14:29:42 <BlueMatt> mm fair enough
222 2011-09-09 14:30:31 <tcatm> BlueMatt: CSS is rendered client-side in javascript. Getting jekyll to do render it server-side (from .less files) would be the best solution but I didn't have time to figure it out yet.
223 2011-09-09 14:30:49 <Guest32812> funnily enough, if he weren't anonymous, i doubt his name would be there
224 2011-09-09 14:31:00 <BlueMatt> tcatm: was just reporting...Ill go file a bug rep.
225 2011-09-09 14:33:04 <tcatm> Guest32812: if you'd like to rephrase the whole paragraph you could either make a pull request or tell me in a query
226 2011-09-09 14:34:17 <Guest32812> tcatm: just git cloned it
227 2011-09-09 14:46:12 <piuk> Anyone want to help me with an experiment? Need someone to send 1 BTC from one address to another and post the address here
228 2011-09-09 14:51:19 <jrmithdobbs> piuk: why
229 2011-09-09 14:52:58 <piuk> I want to see if i can correctly trace the originating ip - http://pi.uk.com/bitcoin/unconfirmed-transactions
230 2011-09-09 14:54:37 <JFK911> we don't want you to be able to do that.
231 2011-09-09 14:54:48 <JFK911> please stop trying, thanks! :)
232 2011-09-09 14:55:58 <piuk> :) If it can be done then the protocol can be improved to fix it.
233 2011-09-09 14:56:46 <Guest32812> tcatm: did a pull request
234 2011-09-09 15:00:58 <BlueMatt> devrandom: ping
235 2011-09-09 15:14:15 <luke-jr> piuk: [13:13:56] <ljrbot> Txn fe9eb0bd8033501de4e404d715b7a60f5b10274af1eb96602b20d9f0a6111a2d: 1D8du4yU1jJv1qo8kTjDCkcN5dZS1P2qJs 10.00 BTC, 15DEjQ8yfSs1GofGZbb5oBWedrqKZZMBUZ 0.01000197 BTC
236 2011-09-09 15:16:15 <piuk> thanks luke-jr. So i've got 213.191.16.40 ?
237 2011-09-09 15:16:31 <luke-jr> nope, I ain't russian
238 2011-09-09 15:34:36 <luke-jr> piuk: want me to make that an option for Eligius's stats links?
239 2011-09-09 15:38:42 <piuk> luke-jr: A link from eligius? sure
240 2011-09-09 15:39:31 <luke-jr> piuk: do you have BE-compatible URIs?
241 2011-09-09 15:42:50 <piuk> luke-jr: Not really. If you want to link to a bloc, address or tx then "http://pi.uk.com/search/bitcoin/$HASH" is the best way
242 2011-09-09 15:43:29 <piuk> sorry i mean http://pi.uk.com/bitcoin/search/$hash
243 2011-09-09 15:43:50 <luke-jr> piuk: any chance you could /block/X and /address/X somewhere in there? :>
244 2011-09-09 15:44:21 <piuk> sure, give me 2 mins
245 2011-09-09 15:46:36 <aps> i hate ebay too
246 2011-09-09 15:46:46 <piuk> luke-jr: ok you can now
247 2011-09-09 15:46:53 <luke-jr> example?
248 2011-09-09 15:47:17 <piuk> http://pi.uk.com/bitcoin/block/0000000000000366f1328adfb978b8b17035173d647609e34f43b8306699ec0c
249 2011-09-09 15:47:45 <piuk> http://pi.uk.com/bitcoin/address/1AJbsFZ64EpEfS5UAjAfcUG8pH8Jn3rn1F
250 2011-09-09 15:48:17 <luke-jr> piuk: I'll make your site the default if you display coinbase as ASCII ;)
251 2011-09-09 15:49:31 <Joric> that's a pretty cool transaction, 2.3m BTC http://blockexplorer.com/b/142742
252 2011-09-09 15:49:34 <piuk> luke-jr: unfortunately i don't record the coin base, as i don't know what it does lol
253 2011-09-09 15:49:45 <luke-jr> piuk: it doesn't do anything ;)
254 2011-09-09 15:49:59 <luke-jr> piuk: it's just an arbitrary data field in generation
255 2011-09-09 15:50:13 <xelister> on #btc-value we discuss expected value of ? and how to increase it. Everyone's invited
256 2011-09-09 15:50:16 <luke-jr> piuk: sometimes used for propaganda and other such nonsense
257 2011-09-09 15:50:22 <luke-jr> xelister: BTC != Baht
258 2011-09-09 15:51:20 <piuk> luke-jr: ok i see, i'll add it in when i get chance
259 2011-09-09 16:02:37 <aps> ive gotten here
260 2011-09-09 16:04:29 <luke-jr> piuk_: actually, I forgot: you don't support TBC :P
261 2011-09-09 16:05:26 <piuk_> TBC?
262 2011-09-09 16:05:51 <BlueMatt> dont ask
263 2011-09-09 16:16:51 <BlueMatt> ;;seen devrandom
264 2011-09-09 16:16:51 <gribble> devrandom was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 14 hours, 2 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <devrandom> ;;later tell BlueMatt makomk> devrandom: see https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=42198.msg514312#msg514312
265 2011-09-09 16:18:07 <luke-jr> piuk_: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Tonal_Bitcoin
266 2011-09-09 16:18:40 <ThomasV> with bitcoin-abe, is there an easy way to restart the block import process at a desired block number
267 2011-09-09 16:18:44 <ThomasV> ?
268 2011-09-09 16:20:55 <luke-jr> piuk_: eg, http://tonal.pident.artefact2.com/
269 2011-09-09 16:21:55 <piuk_> luke-jr: I think i'll stick with decminal
270 2011-09-09 16:22:28 <luke-jr> piuk_: you can provide an option like pident ;)
271 2011-09-09 16:24:13 <piuk_> luke-jr: maybe, i can't imagine many people actually use it though
272 2011-09-09 16:25:27 <luke-jr> piuk_: many people don't use Bitcoin at all ;)
273 2011-09-09 16:25:36 <piuk_> true
274 2011-09-09 16:25:51 <bx_> Anyone selling mtgox for $ ?
275 2011-09-09 16:25:51 <luke-jr> anyhow, you're the 3rd option on http://eligius.st/~artefact2/noauthSettings
276 2011-09-09 16:26:22 <luke-jr> piuk_: I'll leave Pident as default for now, since it supports coinbase text and TBC
277 2011-09-09 16:27:01 <piuk_> luke-jr: cool, thanks
278 2011-09-09 16:45:49 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Matt Corallo master * r0295912 / (contrib/gitian-win32.yml contrib/gitian.yml):
279 2011-09-09 16:45:49 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Update gitian build descriptors to produce proper builds.
280 2011-09-09 16:45:50 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Merge pull request #508 from TheBlueMatt/master
281 2011-09-09 16:46:07 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen master * r95cea79 / doc/build-unix.txt :
282 2011-09-09 16:47:58 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: ping
283 2011-09-09 16:48:04 <gavinandresen> hey matt
284 2011-09-09 16:48:51 <BlueMatt> for 0.4, Id like to release full gitian builds in such a way that gitian-download can download and verify new versions according to signatures in the build...
285 2011-09-09 16:49:29 <gavinandresen> ok.  what is gitian-download? and what do you mean by 'signatures in the build' ?
286 2011-09-09 16:49:35 <BlueMatt> https://github.com/devrandom/gitian-builder/blob/master/doc/DOWNLOADER.md
287 2011-09-09 16:50:04 <BlueMatt> its a script which downloads new versions, checks the signatures (gpg) in the build and if they reach a certain trust level (ie enough sigs) then it will install the new files
288 2011-09-09 16:50:26 <BlueMatt> this means a zip of the build in gitian form has to be uploaded somewhere...
289 2011-09-09 16:50:49 <BlueMatt> (hopefully this would eventually form the basis for auto-updating on win32)
290 2011-09-09 16:50:55 <gavinandresen> I just discovered the well-hidden "upload a file" feature of github
291 2011-09-09 16:51:00 <BlueMatt> (yes confirm with user, etc, etc, etc)
292 2011-09-09 16:51:11 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: does that mean there's official 0.4 rc tarballs?
293 2011-09-09 16:51:24 <gavinandresen> And github is always https.  I think.
294 2011-09-09 16:51:29 <BlueMatt> correct
295 2011-09-09 16:51:36 <BlueMatt> (afaik)
296 2011-09-09 16:51:50 <gavinandresen> luke-jr: I guess, I've never checked to make sure github's "auto-create-a-tarball" feature works.  I assume it does
297 2011-09-09 16:51:54 <Blitzboom> gavinandresen: still holding your coins? im curious
298 2011-09-09 16:52:03 <gavinandresen> holding what coins?
299 2011-09-09 16:52:07 <Blitzboom> bitcoins
300 2011-09-09 16:52:25 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: it does, but those are usually not the same as the official releases
301 2011-09-09 16:52:34 <gavinandresen> Actually, this afternoon I got a teeny-tiny little computer that I bought with bitcoins on bitcoindeals.com
302 2011-09-09 16:52:49 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: if you mean source, no there are none, but just download from github, if you mean builds...no also
303 2011-09-09 16:53:14 <gavinandresen> I think I have a few bitcoin-deals invite codes around here somewhere if anybody else wants to help TruCoin debug it...
304 2011-09-09 16:53:17 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: just wondering, since past RCs have always had source releases at least
305 2011-09-09 16:53:23 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: me me me
306 2011-09-09 16:53:28 <BlueMatt> jgarzik usually does those...
307 2011-09-09 16:53:31 <BlueMatt> hasnt this time though
308 2011-09-09 16:53:54 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: unless it requires actively doing stuff <.<
309 2011-09-09 16:54:20 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: back to gitian, to pull this off the original gitian zip files need to be uploaded somewhere, it would be nice if they got uploaded to sf with the other builds (no need to link to them, just have to be there)
310 2011-09-09 16:54:32 <jgarzik> gavinandresen jumped on 0.4rc1 :)
311 2011-09-09 16:54:51 <luke-jr> jgarzik: O.o?
312 2011-09-09 16:55:06 <jgarzik> if gavinandresen missed a step, let's make sure to list it in doc/release-process.txt
313 2011-09-09 16:55:49 <BlueMatt> who is on the list of gitian-build-capable?
314 2011-09-09 16:55:53 <BlueMatt> me, sipa, ?
315 2011-09-09 16:55:55 <BlueMatt> devrandom...
316 2011-09-09 16:56:12 <gavinandresen> Once I get my new itty-bitty-computer setup, it should be gitian-build-capable
317 2011-09-09 16:56:24 <BlueMatt> all it needs is ubuntu and vt-x
318 2011-09-09 16:56:56 <gavinandresen> (314 of 658MB ubuntu downloaded, then I've gotta write to a usb stick and install....)
319 2011-09-09 16:57:09 <gavinandresen> what is vt-x?
320 2011-09-09 16:57:53 <BlueMatt> processor feature - hardware virtualization support
321 2011-09-09 16:58:21 <BlueMatt> (dont think its required, but builds could take days otherwise...)
322 2011-09-09 16:58:32 <gavinandresen> how do I tell if my new itty-bitty-computer has that support?  I assumed all new-ish intel-based processors would
323 2011-09-09 16:58:43 <BlueMatt> should, whats the processor?
324 2011-09-09 16:58:57 <gavinandresen> Atom
325 2011-09-09 16:59:15 <BlueMatt> model number?
326 2011-09-09 16:59:36 <gavinandresen> Atom D410  ?
327 2011-09-09 16:59:59 <BlueMatt> http://ark.intel.com/products/43517/Intel-Atom-Processor-D410-(512K-Cache-1_66-GHz)
328 2011-09-09 17:00:00 <BlueMatt> it does not
329 2011-09-09 17:00:30 <BlueMatt> they cut out a lot of features and die size for atoms...
330 2011-09-09 17:00:35 <gavinandresen> ok, then I'm not gitian capable, unless devrandom has added mac support....
331 2011-09-09 17:01:10 <BlueMatt> you might be able to get it to work, but it wouldnt be particularly easy...
332 2011-09-09 17:01:27 <luke-jr> no kqemu support?
333 2011-09-09 17:01:51 <BlueMatt> it is kqemu but it uses python-vm-builder which is fairly ubuntu-specific
334 2011-09-09 17:02:03 <luke-jr> &
335 2011-09-09 17:02:07 <BlueMatt> though it is python, so you might be able to get it to work...
336 2011-09-09 17:02:08 <luke-jr> kqemu doesn't require VT-x
337 2011-09-09 17:02:30 <BlueMatt> theoretically doesnt, but the software virt is the slowest thing Ive ever seen, and iirc no x64 if you dont have vt-x
338 2011-09-09 17:02:49 <BlueMatt> vbox, vmware, they are all like 20x faster in software virt than qemu afaict
339 2011-09-09 17:03:15 <phantomcircuit> qemu doesn't do software virtualization
340 2011-09-09 17:03:26 <phantomcircuit> it is either hardware virtualization or total emulation
341 2011-09-09 17:04:00 <BlueMatt> sorry, its emulation then (which is why its so damn slow)
342 2011-09-09 17:04:10 <cjdelisle> total emulation = translating memory lookup addresses in software = painful
343 2011-09-09 17:04:19 <helo> qemu-arm :(
344 2011-09-09 17:04:42 <helo> better than nothing, but just barely :)
345 2011-09-09 17:12:03 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: kqemu != qemu
346 2011-09-09 17:12:16 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: qemu is total emulation
347 2011-09-09 17:12:22 <luke-jr> kqemu is software virtualization
348 2011-09-09 17:12:26 <luke-jr> KVM is hardware virtualization
349 2011-09-09 17:12:34 <BlueMatt> it uses kqemu, but it falls back on emulation
350 2011-09-09 17:12:36 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, qemu will use kvm if it's present
351 2011-09-09 17:12:51 <phantomcircuit> kqemu is totally different though
352 2011-09-09 17:12:55 <luke-jr> I never noticed a performance difference between kqemu and KVM
353 2011-09-09 17:13:25 <BlueMatt> sorry, it uses kvm
354 2011-09-09 17:13:32 <BlueMatt> falls back if it cant load
355 2011-09-09 17:13:36 <BlueMatt> (IIRC)
356 2011-09-09 17:14:32 <BlueMatt> ie it calls the kvm command which is a symlink to qemu-system-x86_64 on my machine
357 2011-09-09 17:15:46 <phantomcircuit> kqemu does not use kvm
358 2011-09-09 17:15:53 <phantomcircuit> qemu does use kvm
359 2011-09-09 17:16:02 <BlueMatt> does kqemu still exist?
360 2011-09-09 17:16:13 <phantomcircuit> yes
361 2011-09-09 17:16:25 <phantomcircuit> it is obviously not as well supported as kvm
362 2011-09-09 17:16:29 <BlueMatt> afaict its an "old driver" ie not used anymore...
363 2011-09-09 17:16:38 <BlueMatt> looks unsupported to me
364 2011-09-09 17:21:33 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: people need to stop abusing Baht :P
365 2011-09-09 17:21:59 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: B?? is the logo used basically everywhere for BTC
366 2011-09-09 17:22:26 <gavinandresen> (that looks like B-box to my IRC client)
367 2011-09-09 17:23:31 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: then your IRC client is broken :P
368 2011-09-09 17:23:38 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: it's a B with double lines through it
369 2011-09-09 17:23:59 <luke-jr> (and I can't find that handheld you mentioned)
370 2011-09-09 17:24:05 <donpdonp> whats the minimum i can send with the bitcoin client? im trying to send 0.0001 but i get a 'This transaction is over the size limit' error
371 2011-09-09 17:24:48 <luke-jr> donpdonp: error? it should still let you send it with a fee
372 2011-09-09 17:25:27 <donpdonp> luke-jr: a fee of 5x of the value i want to send. whats the minimum i can send without a fee? i thought the fee was always optional
373 2011-09-09 17:26:40 <helo> donpdonp: anyone can send a transaction with any fee (including 0) they wish. miners may choose to ignore transactions that don't have a fee based on whatever criteria they choose
374 2011-09-09 17:26:48 <luke-jr> donpdonp: the fee is optional, but if you don't include it, it might take literally infinity and never be accepted
375 2011-09-09 17:27:26 <donpdonp> luke-jr: the client gui gives me a yes/no option to the 0.0005 fee and no means its does not create the transaction, as far as i can tell
376 2011-09-09 17:27:26 <gavinandresen> the fee isn't option if you're using an un-hacked 'satoshi bitcoin client'
377 2011-09-09 17:27:32 <helo> donpdonp: so while you may not include a fee, your transaction may never be confirmed
378 2011-09-09 17:27:54 <luke-jr> donpdonp: use another client I guess; or realize you really *don't* want to do that
379 2011-09-09 17:28:14 <gavinandresen> donpdonp: why do you want to send such a small amount?  It will cost the network more than the value of what you're sending... (which is why the client and I think every miner won't let you)
380 2011-09-09 17:28:15 <donpdonp> luke-jr: is the 0.0005 fee applied to every transaction?
381 2011-09-09 17:28:28 <donpdonp> luke-jr: the msg implies that in some cases, the fee is not applied
382 2011-09-09 17:28:45 <luke-jr> donpdonp: trial and error is the only way to find out which ones it will force a fee on
383 2011-09-09 17:28:47 <donpdonp> gavinandresen: i have a bitcoin service i want to test
384 2011-09-09 17:28:58 <donpdonp> luke-jr: if only we had the source to inspect :)
385 2011-09-09 17:29:02 <gavinandresen> donpdonp: that is what the -testnet is for
386 2011-09-09 17:29:11 <luke-jr> donpdonp: the source isn't very useful to answer the fee question ;)
387 2011-09-09 17:29:34 <helo> donpdonp: i edited the source of the command line client to allow me to send 123 satoshi without a fee
388 2011-09-09 17:29:45 <luke-jr> helo: did it ever get accepted?
389 2011-09-09 17:29:47 <helo> donpdonp: the transaction was never confirmed, unsurprisingly
390 2011-09-09 17:29:49 <phantomcircuit> donpdonp, test it using testnet, then test it using small amounts of btc ($10 isn't a lot is it?) then test it with larger amounts
391 2011-09-09 17:29:50 <donpdonp> gavinandresen: i suppose you're right. though i think paying the fee is worth the effort of not having to switch everything to testnet :).
392 2011-09-09 17:29:52 <makomk> phantomcircuit: Didn't all of the kqemu functionality and most of the qemu-kvn functionality get merged into qemu proper?
393 2011-09-09 17:30:12 <luke-jr> donpdonp: you can get a smaller fee via Eligius
394 2011-09-09 17:30:13 <phantomcircuit> makomk, kvm was i believe but not kqemu, which is afaict going to be deprecated
395 2011-09-09 17:30:19 <gavinandresen> talk to the solidcoin folks about the dangers of getting the fee rules wrong.....
396 2011-09-09 17:30:43 <phantomcircuit> lol
397 2011-09-09 17:30:57 <helo> donpdonp: it doesn't matter what you do, it matters what your peers on the network do (unless you happen to find the block solution and insert the transaction yourself hah)
398 2011-09-09 17:30:59 <luke-jr> donpdonp: or, if you wait long enough, you can use Eligius to whitelist it without a fee
399 2011-09-09 17:31:11 <helo> i guess that's why ruxum ended solidcoin trading heh
400 2011-09-09 17:31:16 <luke-jr> helo: Eligius allows miners to do the latter ;)
401 2011-09-09 17:31:50 <helo> interesting...
402 2011-09-09 17:31:52 <donpdonp> "This transaction is over the size limit.  You can still send it for a fee of 0.0005" its the 'size limit' that throws me off - like im doing something out of the ordinary to create a large-sized transaction
403 2011-09-09 17:32:35 <helo> that message sounds incorrect
404 2011-09-09 17:32:56 <gavinandresen> I think the latest version of the client gives a better error.  You may need to pay a fee if the transaction is too small, uses too many little incoming transactions (and so size is too big), or use small-ish transactions that you got recently.
405 2011-09-09 17:33:27 <jrmithdobbs> gavinandresen: the solidcoin fee thing is hilarious, let's incentivize network abuse! this couldn't go wrong!
406 2011-09-09 17:34:11 <jrmithdobbs> also, let's de-incentivize validators confirming complex transactions! that couldn't be a problem!
407 2011-09-09 17:34:21 <gavinandresen> they've got the Fire! aim... ready  thing down
408 2011-09-09 17:34:41 <k9quaint> every crypto-currency needs its version of Fox News :P
409 2011-09-09 17:35:02 <jgarzik> heh
410 2011-09-09 17:35:46 <donpdonp> i was at the bitcoin meetup at BurningMan last week. pretty crazy to have members of the discussion in the nude :)
411 2011-09-09 17:36:19 <k9quaint> donpdonp: I am in the nude right now!
412 2011-09-09 17:37:28 <donpdonp> gavinandresen,luke-jr,etc: thx for the help. i'll just pay the fee.
413 2011-09-09 17:38:35 <donpdonp> miners gotta eat somehow :)
414 2011-09-09 17:39:17 <EPiSKiNG-> COSBY COIN??!?!
415 2011-09-09 17:39:20 <EPiSKiNG-> bitcointalk.org
416 2011-09-09 17:39:32 <EPiSKiNG-> who runs bitcointalk.org
417 2011-09-09 17:39:34 <EPiSKiNG-> ?
418 2011-09-09 17:39:38 <BlueMatt> sirius
419 2011-09-09 17:39:43 <jgarzik> EPiSKiNG-: sirius and theymos
420 2011-09-09 17:40:12 <EPiSKiNG-> have you seen it yet?
421 2011-09-09 17:40:26 <noagendamarket> http://bitcointalk.org/    someone hacked the forum
422 2011-09-09 17:40:29 <noagendamarket> LOL
423 2011-09-09 17:40:32 <noagendamarket> ftw
424 2011-09-09 17:40:36 <EPiSKiNG-> haha
425 2011-09-09 17:40:45 <EPiSKiNG-> i'm nervous to see it
426 2011-09-09 17:40:47 <noagendamarket> thats awesome
427 2011-09-09 17:40:51 <EPiSKiNG-> but it looks pretty funny
428 2011-09-09 17:41:01 <noagendamarket> they left a cosby video
429 2011-09-09 17:41:23 <noagendamarket> I think its because bruce wanted to buy it
430 2011-09-09 17:41:26 <noagendamarket> lol
431 2011-09-09 17:41:39 <jgarzik> noagendamarket: what are you talking about?
432 2011-09-09 17:41:59 <BlueMatt> anyone know where a 40-hex-char pgp keyid would come from?
433 2011-09-09 17:42:15 <BlueMatt> ie the one you see when you gpg --status-fd 1 and see IMPORT_OK 'keyid"
434 2011-09-09 17:42:24 <gavinandresen> yeah, forum looks just fine to me (in Chrome)
435 2011-09-09 17:42:26 <noagendamarket> Cosby was also a meme on SA forums during the bitcoin conference
436 2011-09-09 17:43:08 <bx_> lookign for skilled web devs exp with js (ajax), php, mysql, etc PM me ...  Also looking for Mobile devs (android/iphone) pay and equity in large bitcoin products & games, along with Contract-by-contract for small biz clients. PM me, Thanks ! :)
437 2011-09-09 17:43:11 <Disposition> gavinandresen: refresh and it'll happen, i think it's just some cross site javascript
438 2011-09-09 17:43:24 <k9quaint> yeah, I had to refresh as well
439 2011-09-09 17:43:25 <Disposition> got too many window open to track the source
440 2011-09-09 17:43:28 <wtfman> ummmmmm ... https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=42441.0
441 2011-09-09 17:43:30 <wtfman> wtf is this
442 2011-09-09 17:43:40 <EskimoBob> CosbyCoin?
443 2011-09-09 17:43:46 <wtfman> yes
444 2011-09-09 17:43:56 <EskimoBob> wtf is this?
445 2011-09-09 17:44:05 <wtfman> also there was a gif what said "uploading wallet"
446 2011-09-09 17:44:09 <noagendamarket> SA forums
447 2011-09-09 17:44:11 <wtfman> uploading wallet complete blablub
448 2011-09-09 17:44:28 <EskimoBob> converting wallet  blaa blaa
449 2011-09-09 17:45:22 <wtfman> i have no idea how he got that in to the code.. cant find the gif in the source code
450 2011-09-09 17:46:34 <wtfman> seems to be overall in every thread
451 2011-09-09 17:47:01 <k9quaint> wtfman: disable javascript for bitcointalk.org
452 2011-09-09 17:47:20 <Disposition> yeah it's on the main index page
453 2011-09-09 17:47:21 <EPiSKiNG-> yeah, that seems to fix it
454 2011-09-09 17:47:31 <wtfman> but there is no security risk I assume?
455 2011-09-09 17:48:33 <Disposition> ok I found it
456 2011-09-09 17:48:40 <EPiSKiNG-> not sure...?
457 2011-09-09 17:49:03 <Disposition> apparently some one uploaded a js on the smileys section for SMF, which is the software that runs bitcointalks
458 2011-09-09 17:49:12 <EPiSKiNG-> right
459 2011-09-09 17:49:14 <Disposition> "https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/final.js"
460 2011-09-09 17:50:00 <EPiSKiNG-> so no security risk then, yes
461 2011-09-09 17:50:37 <k9quaint> disable javascript, and make sure your forum password is not shared with any other account :P
462 2011-09-09 17:50:43 <molecular> the code in that .js is very stupid
463 2011-09-09 17:51:14 <Disposition> EPiSKiNG-: none that I see of
464 2011-09-09 17:51:39 <jrmithdobbs> lollin at that
465 2011-09-09 17:51:49 <k9quaint> I am curious how they got the line at the end of the page
466 2011-09-09 17:52:00 <Disposition> meh, Theymos really needs to step up his game :3
467 2011-09-09 17:52:00 <jrmithdobbs> i think the content of that driveby defacing is better than the content of the entirety of the rest of the forums
468 2011-09-09 17:53:10 <EskimoBob> :)
469 2011-09-09 17:53:37 <Disposition> well bitcointalk isn't the offcial forum anyways :)
470 2011-09-09 17:54:20 <Disposition> not to mention theymos' shaddy donation scheme.
471 2011-09-09 17:54:26 <Disposition> cough cough
472 2011-09-09 17:54:28 <jrmithdobbs> someone needs to find out who did this so I can give them money
473 2011-09-09 17:54:37 <jrmithdobbs> because he has added much needed humour to my week/day
474 2011-09-09 17:56:31 <wumpus> this defacing is pretty funny, yes
475 2011-09-09 17:56:44 <wumpus> at least it made me laugh, the forums generally just make me angry
476 2011-09-09 17:57:03 <Disposition> ^
477 2011-09-09 17:57:39 <molecular> wumpus, use the "ignore" feature whenever you get angry... it works ;)
478 2011-09-09 17:58:20 <jrmithdobbs> Bitcoin, eh? Never heard of it. But perchance you would like to try something better. Something with more "zing". Something named CosbyCoin!
479 2011-09-09 17:58:29 <wumpus> true, that usually works
480 2011-09-09 17:58:32 <jrmithdobbs> wumpus: i think theymos should be petitioned to keep these usability improvements!
481 2011-09-09 17:58:43 <wumpus> yeah :)
482 2011-09-09 17:59:33 <donpdonp> the units for cosbycoin could be milli-sweaters
483 2011-09-09 18:00:18 <jrmithdobbs> lol @#bitcoin freaking about it instead of basking in the hilarity
484 2011-09-09 18:01:04 <Matth1a3> well, the price is at 4.4 - I can see why people are freaking out =/
485 2011-09-09 18:01:11 <mtrlt> lol
486 2011-09-09 18:01:18 <Disposition> jrmithdobbs: lol really? I'm glad I don't idle there then
487 2011-09-09 18:01:31 <k9quaint> hahaha, milli-sweater :P
488 2011-09-09 18:02:06 <Disposition> lol it just drop'd a bunch
489 2011-09-09 18:02:26 <wumpus> yea if you're speculating with something as dangerous as bitcoins, you need some serious balls and not be freaked out all the time
490 2011-09-09 18:03:12 <gmaxwell> I'm pleased to see how much the forums have cleaned up all of a sudden.
491 2011-09-09 18:03:24 <wumpus> it's great
492 2011-09-09 18:03:33 <jrmithdobbs> milli-sweaters and micro-puddings
493 2011-09-09 18:05:24 <jrmithdobbs> i can't decide which is funnier
494 2011-09-09 18:05:27 <jrmithdobbs> the defacement
495 2011-09-09 18:05:29 <Disposition> quick, some one make a cosbycoin fork
496 2011-09-09 18:05:32 <jrmithdobbs> or the aftermath in #bitcoin
497 2011-09-09 18:06:52 <k9quaint> I am clamoring for a CosbyGuild pool
498 2011-09-09 18:08:20 <Namegduf> Buying CosbyCoin at market value
499 2011-09-09 18:08:27 <Namegduf> Oh, wrong channel
500 2011-09-09 18:08:31 <Disposition> lol
501 2011-09-09 18:08:58 <wumpus> hehe
502 2011-09-09 18:10:50 <cacheson> haha, excellent
503 2011-09-09 18:11:06 <cacheson> was reading through scrollback, was afraid that it had been cleaned up already
504 2011-09-09 18:11:20 <erus`> im starting a new currency 'tom coin' backed by super secure xor encryption
505 2011-09-09 18:12:53 <k9quaint> erus`: you should wait until they come out with double XOR crypto called ClearCipher
506 2011-09-09 18:13:04 <erus`> maybe rot13
507 2011-09-09 18:13:42 <jrmithdobbs> rot26
508 2011-09-09 18:13:44 <k9quaint> rot26
509 2011-09-09 18:13:48 <k9quaint> GAH!
510 2011-09-09 18:13:50 <jrmithdobbs> twice the security half the performance hit
511 2011-09-09 18:14:03 <k9quaint> twice the security with zero performance hit sir
512 2011-09-09 18:14:21 <jrmithdobbs> now that's just not possible! noone will believe such inflated claims!
513 2011-09-09 18:14:25 <jrmithdobbs> ;p
514 2011-09-09 18:15:58 <luke-jr> wtf is the crap on the forum?
515 2011-09-09 18:16:22 <k9quaint> luke-jr: its caused by malfunctioning scroll bars
516 2011-09-09 18:16:38 <luke-jr> apparently just on my page
517 2011-09-09 18:16:40 <luke-jr> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=23768.340
518 2011-09-09 18:17:13 <luke-jr> some random guy is popping up
519 2011-09-09 18:17:36 <Disposition> lol no, it's a delay script
520 2011-09-09 18:17:47 <Disposition> scroll up for more details
521 2011-09-09 18:18:00 <noagendamarket> Its bill cosby
522 2011-09-09 18:18:17 <k9quaint> Disposition: his scroll bars are broken :P
523 2011-09-09 18:18:31 <Disposition> k9quaint: wut
524 2011-09-09 18:19:41 <luke-jr> k9quaint: no, the page is broken
525 2011-09-09 18:19:45 <Disposition> I wonder if I should bother posting details or rather forum rage
526 2011-09-09 18:19:51 <k9quaint> luke-jr: I meant your IRC scroll bars
527 2011-09-09 18:19:52 <Disposition> watch*
528 2011-09-09 18:20:40 <Disposition> (3:49:11 PM) EPiSKiNG-: right
529 2011-09-09 18:20:43 <luke-jr> someone vandalized the forums
530 2011-09-09 18:20:44 <k9quaint> I hope this spices up the BTC drama
531 2011-09-09 18:20:44 <luke-jr> oh well
532 2011-09-09 18:20:45 <Disposition> there you go.
533 2011-09-09 18:20:54 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,mtgox
534 2011-09-09 18:20:54 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":6.94,"low":4.18,"avg":5.537326818,"vwap":5.459362492,"vol":204389,"last":4.399,"buy":4.36575,"sell":4.399}}
535 2011-09-09 18:20:59 <Diablo-D3> and down we go!
536 2011-09-09 18:21:04 <Disposition> it's great :)
537 2011-09-09 18:21:11 <Namegduf> luke-jr: Have you started a pool for CosbyCoins yet?
538 2011-09-09 18:21:14 <noagendamarket> I wouldnt want to login the the forum right now
539 2011-09-09 18:21:24 <Disposition> I wouldn't want to go to that forum period
540 2011-09-09 18:22:14 <Disposition> make I should make a bitcoin fork that sends messages instead of coins and make a p2p forum :3
541 2011-09-09 18:23:00 <Namegduf> Or
542 2011-09-09 18:23:09 <Namegduf> You could use one of the numerous other ways to write a p2p app
543 2011-09-09 18:23:12 <wumpus> oh no, not another forum :-)
544 2011-09-09 18:23:53 <k9quaint> forumcoin
545 2011-09-09 18:23:58 <jrmithdobbs> Announcing new opensource fork! No new chain necessary!
546 2011-09-09 18:24:06 <jrmithdobbs> cosbycoind for everyone will be available within the next 10 minutes
547 2011-09-09 18:24:09 <jrmithdobbs> please stay tuned
548 2011-09-09 18:24:10 <k9quaint> the messages are encoded int he blockchain
549 2011-09-09 18:24:25 <Disposition> yar, we can do that.
550 2011-09-09 18:24:27 <jrmithdobbs> crap wrong channel
551 2011-09-09 18:24:29 <Disposition> now lol
552 2011-09-09 18:24:40 <wumpus> messages, animated gifs and crosby images are automatically encoded into th eblockchain
553 2011-09-09 18:25:23 <Disposition> Namegduf: too bad most of them has a short life span
554 2011-09-09 18:25:26 <Disposition> the messages I mean
555 2011-09-09 18:25:37 <Namegduf> Disposition: So what?
556 2011-09-09 18:25:46 <Disposition> then why not just use IRC.
557 2011-09-09 18:26:02 <Disposition> the biggest reason to use forums is history
558 2011-09-09 18:26:05 <Namegduf> It isn't even vaguely peer to peer
559 2011-09-09 18:26:11 <Namegduf> IM has history
560 2011-09-09 18:26:18 <Namegduf> Can have, does have.
561 2011-09-09 18:26:24 <Namegduf> All you need to do is keep it.
562 2011-09-09 18:26:41 <Namegduf> I have records of every IRC conversation I've had ever.
563 2011-09-09 18:26:45 <Disposition> yes, but that's client side
564 2011-09-09 18:26:57 <Namegduf> It'd be "client side" in a bitcoin clone, too.
565 2011-09-09 18:27:03 <Namegduf> Kept by every copy of the blockchain.
566 2011-09-09 18:27:16 <Namegduf> You can just mandate it without the ridiculous inefficiency of the bitcoin algorithm
567 2011-09-09 18:27:20 <Namegduf> And voila
568 2011-09-09 18:27:24 <Namegduf> You don't need the rest
569 2011-09-09 18:27:39 <Disposition> oh that's what you are getting at, yes that's correct.
570 2011-09-09 18:27:46 <Disposition> the joke is another bitcoin fork.
571 2011-09-09 18:28:12 <cacheson> I think there's a bug in the bitcoin to cosbycoin conversion process
572 2011-09-09 18:28:17 <cacheson> progress bar is going all haywire
573 2011-09-09 18:28:24 <cacheson> I hope I don't lose any cosbycoins from this
574 2011-09-09 18:29:21 <Namegduf> Disposition: Also, it's possible for IM messages to be unforgable and undeniable (i.e. anyone who received it can prove they genuinely received it from you when sharing it on) without needing a chain
575 2011-09-09 18:29:36 <Namegduf> Disposition: Which is the only other reason for a "central" logging thing
576 2011-09-09 18:29:48 <Namegduf> Signing them with PGP is sufficient.
577 2011-09-09 18:30:16 <BlueMattBot> Yippie, build fixed!
578 2011-09-09 18:30:17 <BlueMattBot> Project Bitcoin-Sanitytest build #20: FIXED in 1 hr 2 min: http://jenkins.bluematt.me/job/Bitcoin-Sanitytest/20/
579 2011-09-09 18:31:43 <Disposition> yes pgp would work just fine, it would be interested if a forum that allowed you to register with your public key, and it culls data from like the p2p server and displays all the messages
580 2011-09-09 18:32:20 <Namegduf> "the p2p server"
581 2011-09-09 18:32:28 <Namegduf> p2p has no server
582 2011-09-09 18:32:40 <Disposition> network*
583 2011-09-09 18:34:36 <Disposition> damn it, who's putting all the virtual shops on https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Real_world_shops
584 2011-09-09 18:38:11 <jrmithdobbs> cosby coin 0.1 released: https://github.com/jrmithdobbs/bitcoin/tree/cosbycoin
585 2011-09-09 18:38:32 <jrmithdobbs> cd src && make -f makefile.unix USE_UPNP= cosbycoind
586 2011-09-09 18:38:34 <jrmithdobbs> enjoy!
587 2011-09-09 18:38:46 <jrmithdobbs> fully bitcoin compatible
588 2011-09-09 18:39:00 <cacheson> doublec: when will you have an exchange up for this? ^
589 2011-09-09 18:39:03 <jrmithdobbs> no blockchain fork required!
590 2011-09-09 18:41:41 <lianj> jrmithdobbs: what is cosbycoin?
591 2011-09-09 18:41:48 <EPiSKiNG-> theymos: what's the word?
592 2011-09-09 18:41:56 <EPiSKiNG-> lianj: #cosbycoin
593 2011-09-09 18:41:59 <jrmithdobbs> lianj: it is the wave of the future
594 2011-09-09 18:42:11 <lianj> jrmithdobbs: what is cosbycoin?
595 2011-09-09 18:42:18 <jrmithdobbs> lianj: it is the wave of the future
596 2011-09-09 18:42:26 <EPiSKiNG-> It's a joke
597 2011-09-09 18:42:37 <Namegduf> You might think it's a joke
598 2011-09-09 18:42:42 <Namegduf> But I'm buying tons of them
599 2011-09-09 18:42:44 <cacheson> lianj: buy some now!  this is your chance to get in on the ground floor, before they go UP UP UP!
600 2011-09-09 18:42:45 <EPiSKiNG-> there's a fork already, I know....
601 2011-09-09 18:42:47 <lianj> great gsub joke oO
602 2011-09-09 18:42:49 <EPiSKiNG-> ahhahaah
603 2011-09-09 18:43:00 <jrmithdobbs> Namegduf: the milli-sweater will overcome the eur in days!
604 2011-09-09 18:43:04 <jrmithdobbs> easily!
605 2011-09-09 18:43:31 <EPiSKiNG-> lol
606 2011-09-09 18:45:00 <jrmithdobbs> gavinandresen: for your consideration https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/510
607 2011-09-09 18:45:06 <Disposition> ho ho, the forum is down
608 2011-09-09 18:47:03 <lianj> jrmithdobbs: do you take an exam in trolling?
609 2011-09-09 18:47:51 <wumpus> jrmithdobbs: I have to report a bug, yout didn't take into account capitalisation so now it's cosbycoin everywhere it was Bitcoin
610 2011-09-09 18:48:17 <jrmithdobbs> wumpus: That will worked out in the QA cycle
611 2011-09-09 18:48:31 <jrmithdobbs> this was rushed out the door to meet the demands of the community
612 2011-09-09 18:49:33 <makomk> jrmithdobbs: you haven't replaced the icons/
613 2011-09-09 18:49:42 <wumpus> yes you work really fast
614 2011-09-09 18:50:57 <Disposition> cosby can sue us.
615 2011-09-09 18:51:11 <Eliel> Disposition: oh right, true
616 2011-09-09 18:51:26 <Disposition> though I'm all for the idea
617 2011-09-09 18:51:39 <Disposition> it'd be the best reverse troll ever.
618 2011-09-09 18:51:39 <wumpus> finally a fun name
619 2011-09-09 18:52:15 <wumpus> yes it's time to troll back the trolls :P
620 2011-09-09 18:52:40 <Eliel> shame it's not april 1st soon :P
621 2011-09-09 18:54:53 <genjix> handing out contributor accounts on bitcoinmedia.com
622 2011-09-09 18:54:55 <phantomcircuit> genjix, soup
623 2011-09-09 18:55:01 <genjix> pm me your posterous logins
624 2011-09-09 18:55:05 <genjix> soup phantomcircuit
625 2011-09-09 19:45:28 <sipa> wth is going on on bitcointalk.org and github?
626 2011-09-09 19:45:57 <wumpus> bitcointalk.org was defaced, nothing is going on at github afaik
627 2011-09-09 19:46:01 <alexwaters> forum was hacked
628 2011-09-09 19:46:17 <alexwaters> social network hacked supposedly
629 2011-09-09 19:46:39 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: the community has spoken
630 2011-09-09 19:46:48 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: demands renaming of bitcoin to cosbycoin
631 2011-09-09 19:46:51 <sipa> ...
632 2011-09-09 19:46:53 <wumpus> people are really angry and histerical, but nothing really happened
633 2011-09-09 19:46:55 <jrmithdobbs> i have submitted a pull req to appease them
634 2011-09-09 19:46:56 <jrmithdobbs> ;p
635 2011-09-09 19:47:25 <sipa> wth
636 2011-09-09 19:47:27 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: serious answer: someone defaced bitcointalk.org through a shitty forum exploit
637 2011-09-09 19:47:30 <jrmithdobbs> that's it
638 2011-09-09 19:47:32 <sipa> ok
639 2011-09-09 19:47:42 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: it was the most hilarious defacement ever though
640 2011-09-09 19:47:44 <Disposition> yeah, just some visual javascript
641 2011-09-09 19:47:44 <wumpus> silently I'm hoping that the forum won't come back, it was a crapheap anyway
642 2011-09-09 19:47:47 <Disposition> nothing serious
643 2011-09-09 19:47:53 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: http://buttcoin.org/bitcointalk-forums-hacked-bill-cosby-pimping-new-cosbycoins%E2%84%A2-to-all-the-members-breaking
644 2011-09-09 19:47:56 <Disposition> wumpus: well forum has good history.
645 2011-09-09 19:48:20 <wumpus> yes it has some useful parts
646 2011-09-09 19:48:21 <alexwaters> apparently the operator of the bitcointalk forums accepted some code that referenced a remote javascript file. The file was updated today to make several "for the lulz" changes to the forum... some of them were actually pretty funny
647 2011-09-09 19:48:27 <alexwaters> don't listen to these trolls sipa
648 2011-09-09 19:49:04 <luke-jr> who runs buttcoin.org ?
649 2011-09-09 19:49:15 <Maged> Is that really true? Theymos is smarter than that.
650 2011-09-09 19:49:16 <alexwaters> overall it's clear that the people at somthing awful see bitcoin as a target (i don't know why), and are trying to troll it's users
651 2011-09-09 19:49:20 <makomk> alexwaters: you're getting confused with the similar onlyonetv.com hack, I think.
652 2011-09-09 19:49:21 <cronopio> if the attacker want really fuck, they could change all de BTC address on the forum for other adress
653 2011-09-09 19:49:33 <wumpus> but too many idiots think that the forum IS bitcoin
654 2011-09-09 19:49:40 <jrmithdobbs> Maged: apparently he's not
655 2011-09-09 19:49:57 <jrmithdobbs> Maged: because that looks to be what happened as far as i saw
656 2011-09-09 19:50:05 <makomk> The bitcointalk.org javascript wasn't remote; it was hosted on the site itself.
657 2011-09-09 19:50:24 <helo> nah, bitcoin is a target because a small group of people take it seriously, while everyone else thinks it is a novelty/scam/joke
658 2011-09-09 19:50:25 <cronopio> makomk: oooohhhh really bad news
659 2011-09-09 19:50:25 <wumpus> it was hosted in the smileys directory...
660 2011-09-09 19:50:31 <makomk> Yep, https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/final.js
661 2011-09-09 19:50:38 <noagendamarket> wait till they see cosbycoins
662 2011-09-09 19:51:01 <noagendamarket> time for a trollback
663 2011-09-09 19:51:23 <wumpus> helo: yes, unlike most open source projects it's a troll-magnet
664 2011-09-09 19:51:45 <wumpus> helo: which sometimes is funny and at other times very annoying
665 2011-09-09 19:51:46 <cronopio> makomk: the panic its for the database