1 2011-09-11 00:00:28 <imsaguy> did you consolidate the multiple currencies?
  2 2011-09-11 00:00:36 <c_k> yeah
  3 2011-09-11 00:00:40 <imsaguy> ok
  4 2011-09-11 00:02:11 <c_k> initially I didn't, so the difference of 0.61% was the currencies other than USD for MtGox
  5 2011-09-11 00:02:20 <c_k> I think this is all a bit OT for bitcoin-dev anyway :S
  6 2011-09-11 00:03:04 <imsaguy> c_k, what other channel would you propose? plain old #bitcoin?
  7 2011-09-11 00:03:17 <kgo> I just filled up an Amazon ec2 partition because .bitcoin/database is 3.5 GB.  Is this normal?  Is there a way to safely prune this directory?
  8 2011-09-11 00:04:57 <xelister> kgo: I have 1.4 G on mining node
  9 2011-09-11 00:05:06 <xelister> of entire ~/.bitcoin
 10 2011-09-11 00:05:24 <kgo> My normal bitcoin client is also like 1.1 G.
 11 2011-09-11 00:05:26 <Graet> http://forum.bitcoin.com.au/index.php  a forum thats up - only couple of days old
 12 2011-09-11 00:05:36 <kgo> Even 1.4 G would be better than 3.5.
 13 2011-09-11 00:05:47 <xelister> this seems a bit wrong..
 14 2011-09-11 00:08:19 <kgo> On my normal client, the database/ dir has files starting with log.0000000299 and going up to 314.
 15 2011-09-11 00:08:44 <kgo> On the ec2 instance, it goes from 1 to 369
 16 2011-09-11 00:10:35 <xelister> not sure..
 17 2011-09-11 00:10:52 <xelister> kgo: try waiting for other devels to reply
 18 2011-09-11 00:11:06 <kgo> Yeah, I tried killing the bitcoin process and restarting, because my 'real' wallet goes up and down.  that did nothing.
 19 2011-09-11 00:11:20 <kgo> Anyway, thanks for the input.  I'll go back into lurker mode.
 20 2011-09-11 00:11:37 <cjdelisle> kgo did you build that client on the ec2 node?
 21 2011-09-11 00:12:01 <kgo> No, I just downloaded the binary.  It's still .23.  Maybe I should see what an upgrade does.
 22 2011-09-11 00:12:30 <kgo> I freed up some other space, so I'm not dead now.  Just figured I better run yum update after the last round of hack attacks.
 23 2011-09-11 00:12:36 <cjdelisle> if they were different versions than that might explain the difference in the database
 24 2011-09-11 00:13:05 <kgo> Yeah, I'll give an upgrade a try.
 25 2011-09-11 00:13:20 <cjdelisle> or compile it yourself
 26 2011-09-11 00:13:47 <cjdelisle> with hardening flags to make it difficult/impossible to exploit even if a vuln is found in bitcoind ;)
 27 2011-09-11 00:13:55 <xelister> MagicalTux: btw, might I inquery, that guy working with/for you, that got his computer hacked and leaked all mtgox users and almost allowes 500,000 usd theft.. what OS was that?
 28 2011-09-11 00:13:57 <kgo> eh, If I'm already out of disk space, I'm reluctant to install the whole build chain onto this instance.
 29 2011-09-11 00:13:59 <cjdelisle> https://github.com/cjdelisle/bitcoin/blob/948177cc9978ff6bf34a5a8a0f828e1b7f114ca2/src/makefile.unix#L39
 30 2011-09-11 00:14:06 <cjdelisle> that's cool
 31 2011-09-11 00:14:13 <cjdelisle> *fine
 32 2011-09-11 00:14:18 <kgo> But I'll keep that in mind for another day.
 33 2011-09-11 00:14:37 <MagicalTux> xelister: "that guy" is Jed, go ask him yourself
 34 2011-09-11 00:16:31 <cjdelisle> kgo: http://wiki.debian.org/mmap_min_addr <-- that's why fedora/centos gets a bad name, I think you can set it to 4096 as it should be though.
 35 2011-09-11 00:17:29 <xelister> cjdelisle: huh? how that should affect size of files created by bitcoind??
 36 2011-09-11 00:17:37 <diki> well i am trying this abe (blockexplorer in python) but
 37 2011-09-11 00:17:42 <diki> it says it cant connect to mysql...
 38 2011-09-11 00:18:02 <cjdelisle> xelister:  he was just talking about hardening, that's an easy trick and it foils a ton of rootkits
 39 2011-09-11 00:18:11 <xelister> ah. yes
 40 2011-09-11 00:18:15 <xelister> cjdelisle: also grsecurity
 41 2011-09-11 00:18:19 <cjdelisle> indeed
 42 2011-09-11 00:18:27 <xelister> there's even freesite mirror of it's manuall
 43 2011-09-11 00:18:42 <xelister> if one day usa home of the brave declares it weapon or something hehe
 44 2011-09-11 00:19:34 <kgo> Note to sourceforge, it'd be really nice if your download links worked iwth curl.
 45 2011-09-11 00:19:58 <cjdelisle> grsec is like the only security package I can stand behind, selinux and app armor are bad jokes
 46 2011-09-11 00:20:49 <cjdelisle> I remember reading exploit code where they were like: "turn off selinux but make it look like it's on so the retards will think it's working"
 47 2011-09-11 00:21:28 <phantomcircuit> grsec is hardcore
 48 2011-09-11 00:21:34 <phantomcircuit> but setting it up right is a bitch
 49 2011-09-11 00:21:53 <phantomcircuit> i've never seen a properly setup selinux box either
 50 2011-09-11 00:22:02 <phantomcircuit> they're always in permissive mode
 51 2011-09-11 00:22:31 <cjdelisle> that's what happens after the first "oh fuck this" moment
 52 2011-09-11 00:23:02 <phantomcircuit> lol
 53 2011-09-11 00:23:03 <forrestv> xelister, p2pool is improving ... a big hurdle right now is getting https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/476 into a release so people don't have to patch their bitcoind
 54 2011-09-11 00:23:14 <phantomcircuit> redhat comes with selinux on by default in permissive mode
 55 2011-09-11 00:23:26 <phantomcircuit> nobody ever knows enough about it to realize that it's 100% uselss like that
 56 2011-09-11 00:23:32 <cjdelisle> grsec does some neat stuff to prevent attacks though like blocking a program from forking after a fork has died of a "stack smashing detected" error.
 57 2011-09-11 00:23:58 <cjdelisle> blocks it for 30 seconds to prevent brute forcing the canary value
 58 2011-09-11 00:24:19 <xelister> grsec own
 59 2011-09-11 00:24:20 <xelister> owns
 60 2011-09-11 00:24:26 <cjdelisle> that will actually save you, locking down files so root can't edit them won't.
 61 2011-09-11 00:24:29 <xelister> I wish kernel would include it finally
 62 2011-09-11 00:25:07 <kgo> Regarding my problem, it seems kill -HUP does a better job cleaning up than kill -9 ;-)
 63 2011-09-11 00:25:40 <cjdelisle> oh yea, bitcoind tries to clean up when it gets a sigterm
 64 2011-09-11 00:26:01 <kgo> I actally don't think I've ever killed it at all on this server before.
 65 2011-09-11 00:26:52 <cjdelisle> as a general rule, kill9 should never be used unless that's all that's left.
 66 2011-09-11 00:27:52 <kgo> Yeah, I was just being lazy, of course.  I realized that when I close the gui client, it takes forever to shut down.  Didn't take long to put 2 and 2 together.
 67 2011-09-11 00:28:05 <kgo> In my head I think of -HUP as restarting some forking server.
 68 2011-09-11 00:28:10 <kgo> Which I know is wrong.
 69 2011-09-11 00:28:55 <cjdelisle> it takes a long time because it basicly sets fShutdown to TRUE and waits for all of the threads to encounter an if(fShutdown)
 70 2011-09-11 00:29:45 <cjdelisle> but it's safer than freeing the memory out from under a program which manages a database which is, afterall, your wallet.
 71 2011-09-11 00:29:46 <kgo> Sorry, I'm not complaining.  I knew it was doing a bunch of stuff that kill -9 wouldn't is all.
 72 2011-09-11 00:30:24 <cjdelisle> No, not at all. I was just sharing what I know from reading the source in the last few days.
 73 2011-09-11 00:31:09 <phantomcircuit> it also deadlocks sometimes though
 74 2011-09-11 00:31:10 <phantomcircuit> so
 75 2011-09-11 00:31:13 <phantomcircuit> keep that in mind
 76 2011-09-11 00:35:49 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * rb4009adaaca7 cgminer/adl.c: Remove redundant check.
 77 2011-09-11 00:35:50 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * r88eb514cd1d5 cgminer/adl.c: Only display supported values from fanspeed on change settings.
 78 2011-09-11 00:35:54 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * rd42211f09a1e cgminer/main.c: Missing bracket from output.
 79 2011-09-11 00:39:56 <xelister> tcatm: why was ganji removed from devels list
 80 2011-09-11 00:44:15 <CIA-101> poolserverj: shadders * bdf5a3d4dcc6 r50 /src/main/java/com/shadworld/poolserver/ (source/WorkSource.java servlet/MgmtInterfaceServlet.java): (log message trimmed)
 81 2011-09-11 00:44:16 <CIA-101> poolserverj: ?method=setAllCacheSize&value=<value>
 82 2011-09-11 00:44:17 <CIA-101> poolserverj: ?method=setAllMaxConcurrentDl&value=<value>
 83 2011-09-11 00:47:46 <luke-jr> erm
 84 2011-09-11 00:47:52 <luke-jr> I thought CIA was trimming msgs?
 85 2011-09-11 00:54:49 <CIA-101> poolserverj: shadders * 6fd9e4fac02d r51 /src/main/java/com/shadworld/poolserver/source/WorkSource.java:
 86 2011-09-11 00:54:50 <CIA-101> poolserverj: oversized this doesn't happen. It's possible for the entire to end up getting
 87 2011-09-11 00:54:51 <CIA-101> poolserverj: servicing requests.
 88 2011-09-11 01:11:57 <noagendamarket> http://meta.bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/124/who-should-control-the-bitcoin-discussion
 89 2011-09-11 01:12:11 <Gekz> me
 90 2011-09-11 01:12:12 <Gekz> I should
 91 2011-09-11 01:12:12 <noagendamarket> Started a discussion about the forum on stack exchange
 92 2011-09-11 01:12:18 <noagendamarket> lol
 93 2011-09-11 01:12:27 <Gekz> I decide to ban the use of the word
 94 2011-09-11 01:12:29 <Gekz> "currency"
 95 2011-09-11 01:12:31 <Gekz> on the forum
 96 2011-09-11 01:12:40 <Gekz> also "gold standard" and "anonymous"
 97 2011-09-11 01:12:46 <Gekz> oh, and "untraceable"
 98 2011-09-11 01:12:55 <MagicalTux> Gekz: how about stopping to be a troll ?
 99 2011-09-11 01:13:04 <Gekz> I did stop to be a troll
100 2011-09-11 01:14:48 <Gekz> on a more serious note
101 2011-09-11 01:14:59 <Gekz> what constitutes "the bitcoin discussion"
102 2011-09-11 01:15:12 <Gekz> does this mean the forum linked to from the bitcoin.org site?
103 2011-09-11 01:15:13 <Gekz> or what
104 2011-09-11 01:15:49 <Gekz> because ultimately, if MagicalTux hosts a forum that links from that page and decides he's gonna be all fascist and fuck shit up for people, that link wont last long and people will migrate elsewhere
105 2011-09-11 01:16:04 <Gekz> realistically there should be a technical forum link on the bitcoin.org page only
106 2011-09-11 01:16:05 <MagicalTux> am I fascist ?
107 2011-09-11 01:16:12 <Gekz> and all other discussion to be googled
108 2011-09-11 01:16:26 <Gekz> MagicalTux: no, but it's a decision you could choose to make in the future :P
109 2011-09-11 01:16:35 <Gekz> or your moderators
110 2011-09-11 01:16:37 <Gekz> or your uses
111 2011-09-11 01:16:39 <Gekz> users*
112 2011-09-11 01:16:58 <MagicalTux> except it's not my moderators
113 2011-09-11 01:17:13 <MagicalTux> I only provide the technical part
114 2011-09-11 01:17:36 <Gekz> I don't know the situation, I was going entirely by what was written on the link I read
115 2011-09-11 01:17:48 <Gekz> but if you're simply hosting it, I don't see what the issue could be
116 2011-09-11 01:17:53 <MagicalTux> which is someone else's point of view
117 2011-09-11 01:18:18 <MagicalTux> not only I'm only hosting it, but japanese laws on discussion forums and free speech are quite strong
118 2011-09-11 01:18:38 <MagicalTux> I think people are afraid because we decided at some point on the wiki's official list of trading sites to not list drug sites
119 2011-09-11 01:19:15 <Gekz> I think it's reasonable to not include anything on WTO's prohibited trade list
120 2011-09-11 01:19:48 <MagicalTux> anyway the forum is a forum where people represent themselves and post under their name, while the wiki show content which is not explicitely coming from someone
121 2011-09-11 01:19:51 <MagicalTux> it's not the same context
122 2011-09-11 01:20:37 <shadders> MagicalTux: Can you put up an info page on the domain?  It's a really bad look just having a dead url
123 2011-09-11 01:20:53 <twobits> lol, well I created an account  to post a reply to that link, and it says I need a rep of 5 to do so,  but how do I get rep if I cant post?
124 2011-09-11 01:21:41 <cjdelisle> you should put up a picture of Bill Cosby and a message that the forum will be back soon to show that we have a sense of humor about it ;)
125 2011-09-11 01:23:05 <MagicalTux> there should be the forum back with an official announcement within a few hours
126 2011-09-11 01:23:44 <BTCTrader_> fwiw i'm confident on MagicalTux doing the right thing with the forum.
127 2011-09-11 01:24:03 <upb> whats the problem with the forum anyways
128 2011-09-11 01:24:49 <MagicalTux> they were showing cosby flash/coins/etc
129 2011-09-11 01:25:19 <MagicalTux> http://i.imgur.com/HxHl6.png <- example
130 2011-09-11 01:25:38 <BTCTrader_> upb a flash/javascript exploit
131 2011-09-11 01:25:42 <noagendamarket> You should have to buy  a forum account with cosbycoins
132 2011-09-11 01:26:00 <noagendamarket> mtgox should have a fake cosby exchange
133 2011-09-11 01:26:10 <upb> ah
134 2011-09-11 01:26:19 <noagendamarket> which converts your bitcoins to cosbies
135 2011-09-11 01:26:29 <MagicalTux> the included javascript was also replacing all occurences of "bitcoin" with cosbycoin"
136 2011-09-11 01:26:36 <noagendamarket> lol
137 2011-09-11 01:26:39 <upb> clever ??=
138 2011-09-11 01:26:48 <shadders> Any particular reason not to just leave it like that?  Cosby is kinda cool...
139 2011-09-11 01:27:15 <noagendamarket> Is there a page on the wiki yet ?
140 2011-09-11 01:27:17 <BTCTrader_> MT, is there evidence the user database was compromised to the hackers?
141 2011-09-11 01:27:19 <noagendamarket> lol
142 2011-09-11 01:29:03 <MagicalTux> BTCTrader_: the people in charge of the forum are writing the announcements right now, you should have all your answers soon
143 2011-09-11 01:29:29 <BTCTrader_> ok
144 2011-09-11 01:35:17 <johnj__> From my experience, that means "Yes, but they're going to deal with the flood, not me"
145 2011-09-11 01:35:29 <phantomcircuit> ?
146 2011-09-11 01:35:40 <johnj__> the announcement
147 2011-09-11 01:36:34 <phantomcircuit> oh
148 2011-09-11 01:36:56 <phantomcircuit> MagicalTux, it seems unlikely that it was a minor penetration given the location of the script include
149 2011-09-11 01:37:05 <ThomasV> it was not the first cosby attack, I remember having some popups a while ago
150 2011-09-11 01:37:54 <jrmithdobbs> MagicalTux: so dissent on the quality of your service will be allowed there unlike your irc channel? because I find that hard to believe.
151 2011-09-11 01:39:22 <ThomasV> dissent will be allowed to everybody who exploit the vulnerabilities
152 2011-09-11 01:49:29 <johnj__> However, I truely hope nothing important was compromised, waiting 24+ hours to let users know they've been compromised is dirty
153 2011-09-11 01:51:00 <cjdelisle> unless your browser is exploitable by any website you visit or you used your forum password for everything else, you have nothing to worry about no matter how bad the break was.
154 2011-09-11 01:51:04 <jrmithdobbs> MagicalTux: no comment on the important questions, as usual, I see.
155 2011-09-11 01:52:14 <MagicalTux> jrmithdobbs: I already replied to this
156 2011-09-11 01:52:41 <jrmithdobbs> no you replied to a more vague general question that is related
157 2011-09-11 01:52:50 <jrmithdobbs> not to that direct question which I notice you're now avoiding answering.
158 2011-09-11 01:53:51 <MagicalTux> jrmithdobbs: actually, your previous message was not a question
159 2011-09-11 01:54:03 <MagicalTux> well
160 2011-09-11 01:54:05 <MagicalTux> if you want a reply
161 2011-09-11 01:54:07 <MagicalTux> yes
162 2011-09-11 01:54:09 <MagicalTux> they will be allowed
163 2011-09-11 01:54:13 <luke-jr> MagicalTux: it was a question :P
164 2011-09-11 01:54:22 <MagicalTux> luke-jr: yep, I'm tired
165 2011-09-11 01:54:28 <jrmithdobbs> 22:37 < jrmithdobbs> MagicalTux: so dissent on the quality of your service will be allowed there unlike your irc channel? because I find that hard to believe.
166 2011-09-11 01:54:33 <jrmithdobbs> sure looks like a question to me
167 2011-09-11 01:54:35 <MagicalTux> unless they break rules defined by the moderators of the forums, on who I have no control
168 2011-09-11 01:54:58 <MagicalTux> the bitcoin forum is independent of mtgox, we only supply hosting and some technical help
169 2011-09-11 01:55:35 <ymirhotfoot> Ah, but Cosby has seized bitcointalk.
170 2011-09-11 01:56:03 <ymirhotfoot> As was pointed out by another last evening, Cosby is funny
171 2011-09-11 01:56:11 <ymirhotfoot> both funny and cunning.
172 2011-09-11 01:58:37 <jrmithdobbs> ymirhotfoot: http://cosbycoin.com
173 2011-09-11 01:59:09 <ymirhotfoot> Thanks, jrmithdobbs!
174 2011-09-11 01:59:26 <freewil> lulz
175 2011-09-11 02:00:01 <freewil> bitcoin at this point is like socialism
176 2011-09-11 02:00:09 <freewil> other people's mistakes fuck you
177 2011-09-11 02:01:17 <ymirhotfoot> I understand.
178 2011-09-11 02:01:31 <ymirhotfoot> Satoshi is Cosby!
179 2011-09-11 02:02:11 <copumpkin> sacosby
180 2011-09-11 02:02:27 <ymirhotfoot> Ah, freewil, also like ah, I dislike the word, for the confusions, conflations, and lies, capitalism.
181 2011-09-11 02:03:02 <ymirhotfoot> pumpkin^co yes, like ybsocas!
182 2011-09-11 02:03:45 <ymirhotfoot> sacosby is subtle.
183 2011-09-11 02:04:06 <ymirhotfoot> Two arguments: 1. the scripting part of Bitcoin
184 2011-09-11 02:04:24 <ymirhotfoot> 2. He can reveal himself, and all the world just laughs.
185 2011-09-11 02:04:34 <ymirhotfoot> There are further arguments.
186 2011-09-11 02:06:35 <mabus> it is a lot like socialism
187 2011-09-11 02:06:41 <mabus> people have no fucking idea about it
188 2011-09-11 02:06:53 <ymirhotfoot> Yes.  If you wish any cooperation is like socialism.
189 2011-09-11 02:07:05 <ymirhotfoot> Also like capitalism, and like
190 2011-09-11 02:07:10 <cjdelisle> wut is like socialism?
191 2011-09-11 02:07:16 <ymirhotfoot> COSBYISM
192 2011-09-11 02:07:23 <cjdelisle> o
193 2011-09-11 02:07:26 <mabus> ancient aliens
194 2011-09-11 02:07:26 <ymirhotfoot> any cooperation, if you like.
195 2011-09-11 02:07:33 <mabus> are like socialism
196 2011-09-11 02:07:45 <mabus> they built everything for the people
197 2011-09-11 02:07:46 <ymirhotfoot> mabus this is an open channel
198 2011-09-11 02:08:06 <cjdelisle> mk
199 2011-09-11 02:08:18 <ymirhotfoot> We the Inetrenet cbal did it all for you and us,
200 2011-09-11 02:08:20 <ymirhotfoot> the people
201 2011-09-11 02:08:24 <ymirhotfoot> TINC
202 2011-09-11 02:08:40 <ymirhotfoot> Internet Cabal
203 2011-09-11 02:09:15 <freewil> a cooperation isnt socialism because its done voluntarily
204 2011-09-11 02:09:35 <ymirhotfoot> freewil, not everything Fox News is entirely the truth
205 2011-09-11 02:09:41 <freewil> lulz
206 2011-09-11 02:09:41 <ymirhotfoot> fox News says
207 2011-09-11 02:10:07 <cjdelisle> How many kilocalories of energy does it take to turn a few hundred tons of concrete into an upside down mushroom cloud of dust?
208 2011-09-11 02:10:10 <freewil> i dont watch corporate media
209 2011-09-11 02:10:23 <ymirhotfoot> Mr. Cosby, why did you spend years inventing Bitcoin?
210 2011-09-11 02:10:35 <ymirhotfoot> Mr Cosby answers: For the lulz.
211 2011-09-11 02:11:27 <ymirhotfoot> Ah, freewil, good.
212 2011-09-11 02:12:18 <freewil> its funny when you have to watch iranian or russian state tv to get truth
213 2011-09-11 02:12:42 <cjdelisle> happy boxcutters day btw
214 2011-09-11 02:12:48 <phantomcircuit> cjdelisle, a bakers dozen of deep friend twinkies worth
215 2011-09-11 02:13:15 <cjdelisle> deep fried twinkies must be worth a lot of energy
216 2011-09-11 02:13:49 <freewil> twinkiecoins could be very valuable in the event of a nuclear accident
217 2011-09-11 02:15:54 <cjdelisle> we were talking earlier about using bitcoin for property title transfer
218 2011-09-11 02:16:29 <freewil> any kind of contract i think
219 2011-09-11 02:17:13 <freewil> cjdelisle, is it possible to embed a contract or contract hash in a block header?
220 2011-09-11 02:17:21 <cjdelisle> like you pay 1 satoshi to an address which has 0 money and you say "when *this* satoshi is paid back to me, it is redeamable for a gram of gold or a gox dollar or whatever"
221 2011-09-11 02:18:12 <freewil> interesting
222 2011-09-11 02:18:23 <cjdelisle> if more money is put into that address to confuse things, you just honer the first payment out of that address as having moved the "golden satoshi"
223 2011-09-11 02:20:37 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * r9d84e915600c cgminer/configure.ac: Properly substitute DLOPEN flags to build with ADL support when -ldl is needed and not when opencl is not found.
224 2011-09-11 02:24:45 <pointbiz> did something happen to bitbills?
225 2011-09-11 02:25:26 <cjdelisle> idk but I wouldn't trust them since the people who make them know the private key
226 2011-09-11 02:25:39 <cjdelisle> also they would get pwnd by an mri
227 2011-09-11 02:26:46 <pointbiz> true
228 2011-09-11 02:32:31 <luke-jr> cjdelisle: no, the people who make them don't know the private key.
229 2011-09-11 02:32:40 <luke-jr> cjdelisle: and IIRC they've been tested against MRI
230 2011-09-11 02:32:44 <gmaxwell> I know someone with access to MRI time, if someone wanted to try.. though I expect xray would work better.
231 2011-09-11 02:33:13 <cjdelisle> they *knew* the private key and they promise that they forgot it...
232 2011-09-11 02:33:24 <ymirhotfoot> Bitcoin, fraudulent Mason money, is
233 2011-09-11 02:33:42 <ymirhotfoot> in its own self proof against any dishonesty.
234 2011-09-11 02:34:16 <ymirhotfoot> Because the bitbill maker knows all the private keys,
235 2011-09-11 02:34:31 <ymirhotfoot> that demonstartes the powerful moral effect of Bitcoin.
236 2011-09-11 02:34:48 <ymirhotfoot> Because the bitbill maker uses Bitcoin, it is morally impossible
237 2011-09-11 02:34:57 <ymirhotfoot> for the maker to spend the bitcoins.
238 2011-09-11 02:35:22 <ymirhotfoot> I meant to say: Bitcoin, unlike fraudulent Mason money, is
239 2011-09-11 02:35:59 <ymirhotfoot> Another maker of Bitcoin ATMs, if I have understood his plan of business,
240 2011-09-11 02:36:15 <cjdelisle> typofail, I have been doing that a lot myself lately
241 2011-09-11 02:36:34 <ymirhotfoot> would also know the private keys in the Bitcoin wallet the ATM makes for you
242 2011-09-11 02:36:46 <ymirhotfoot> when you put a US twenty dollar bill in.
243 2011-09-11 02:37:24 <ymirhotfoot> But because Bitcoin is inherently proof against fraud, the ATM business will never those bitcoins.
244 2011-09-11 02:37:33 <ymirhotfoot> THAT IS HOW STRONG BITCOIN IS.
245 2011-09-11 02:37:48 <ymirhotfoot> never spend those bitcoins, I meant.
246 2011-09-11 02:38:04 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: xray fails to break bitbills
247 2011-09-11 02:38:28 <pointbiz> yeah, bitbills has something on their site that says xrays dont break it
248 2011-09-11 02:38:37 <luke-jr> mine has been xrayed
249 2011-09-11 02:38:43 <ymirhotfoot> cjdelisle: they *knew* the private key and they promise that they forget it, . Yes exactly.  Bitcoins, by their very being, force straight dealing.
250 2011-09-11 02:39:58 <ymirhotfoot> This central fact is not yet understood,
251 2011-09-11 02:40:07 <ymirhotfoot> except by True Bitcoiners.
252 2011-09-11 02:40:21 <theymos> The forum is back up now.
253 2011-09-11 02:40:30 <ymirhotfoot> Thanks theymos!
254 2011-09-11 02:41:00 <pointbiz> so if they *knew* the private key... can you trust they've forgotten if the money isn't spent after a certain time?
255 2011-09-11 02:41:12 <theymos> Thanks to MagicalTux for doing most of the investigation and hosting the forum.
256 2011-09-11 02:44:46 <pointbiz> yeah on the forum!! good work tux
257 2011-09-11 02:47:28 <cjdelisle> ;;later tell BlueMatt re b4ada906c03111404c29b115ab37afbad92f4cf1 upgrading libdb is going to upgrade wallets so they are unreadable by older versions, was that intentional?
258 2011-09-11 02:47:29 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
259 2011-09-11 02:47:50 <jrmithdobbs> theymos: so it was exactly what we discussed last night :(
260 2011-09-11 02:47:57 <jrmithdobbs> theymos: with more details on which mod it was
261 2011-09-11 02:48:10 <jrmithdobbs> theymos: please tell me the doc root isn't writable any more.
262 2011-09-11 02:48:46 <theymos> jrmithdobbs: It wasn't a mod. That flash thing was a total rumor.
263 2011-09-11 02:49:34 <jrmithdobbs> theymos: ? we weren't talking about flash
264 2011-09-11 02:54:34 <MagicalTux> jrmithdobbs: the problem came from a core feature of SMF
265 2011-09-11 02:54:54 <MagicalTux> I'm trying to get in touch with SMF so they can fix that
266 2011-09-11 02:55:05 <MagicalTux> before it's disclosed
267 2011-09-11 03:00:34 <noagendamarket> MagicalTux in the forum profile section where you can choose to add a pic from an actor there is no bill cosby one
268 2011-09-11 03:00:36 <noagendamarket> lol
269 2011-09-11 03:02:50 <MagicalTux> noagendamarket: tell this to theymos
270 2011-09-11 03:03:11 <MagicalTux> I used the "Report a security issue with Simple Machines software" to let SMF know about the problem
271 2011-09-11 03:03:15 <noagendamarket> theymos^^^
272 2011-09-11 03:03:31 <theymos> Find me a good image and I'll add it.
273 2011-09-11 03:03:52 <noagendamarket> :p
274 2011-09-11 03:06:08 <luke-jr> MagicalTux: is there any evidence the attacker may have intercepted cleartext passwords as people logged in?
275 2011-09-11 03:06:18 <MagicalTux> luke-jr: none
276 2011-09-11 03:06:22 <luke-jr> MagicalTux: forum thread suggests SMF fixed the bug a long time ago FYI
277 2011-09-11 03:06:24 <MagicalTux> there was no such mod in the code
278 2011-09-11 03:06:37 <luke-jr> MagicalTux: no relevant timestamps recent?
279 2011-09-11 03:06:38 <MagicalTux> luke-jr: I confirm the bug is found in SMF 1.1.14 vanilla
280 2011-09-11 03:06:48 <MagicalTux> I checked all recently modified php files
281 2011-09-11 03:06:51 <luke-jr> MagicalTux: the forum thread suggests 1.1 is obsolete
282 2011-09-11 03:06:58 <MagicalTux> and did a diff between the installed smf adn a vanilla smf
283 2011-09-11 03:07:07 <luke-jr> MagicalTux: were any of the recently modified files relevant to login?
284 2011-09-11 03:07:10 <MagicalTux> yep, 1.1 is likely obsolete, however it's still supported for security
285 2011-09-11 03:07:12 <luke-jr> ie, could they have changed it back?
286 2011-09-11 03:07:15 <MagicalTux> none
287 2011-09-11 03:07:32 <luke-jr> why is SHA-1 with a unique (username) salt so bad?
288 2011-09-11 03:08:13 <MagicalTux> I cannot however be 100% sure as there is a php function to change the timestamp of a file
289 2011-09-11 03:08:17 <MagicalTux> to an arbitrary value
290 2011-09-11 03:08:36 <theymos> SMF 1.1.14 is officially supported by SMF.
291 2011-09-11 03:14:14 <Diablo-D3> - Less than 9 characters, lowercase+uppercase+numbers
292 2011-09-11 03:14:17 <Diablo-D3> lol
293 2011-09-11 03:14:24 <Diablo-D3> I'll never has to change my password at that rate
294 2011-09-11 03:15:06 <Diablo-D3> theymos: btw, captaineemo is right
295 2011-09-11 03:15:09 <BTCTrader_> in this day and age any password < 15 characters is easily cracked
296 2011-09-11 03:15:15 <Diablo-D3> why the fuck are you using such an ancient SMF branch
297 2011-09-11 03:15:25 <theymos> Upgrading would be difficult.
298 2011-09-11 03:15:31 <Diablo-D3> BTCTrader_: shit dude, for any basic hash type, anything below 32 has already been rainbow tabled
299 2011-09-11 03:15:57 <copumpkin> BTCTrader_: depends on the alphabet
300 2011-09-11 03:16:03 <BTCTrader_> nods
301 2011-09-11 03:16:09 <copumpkin> for any reasonably large alphabet
302 2011-09-11 03:16:09 <luke-jr> you can't rainbow-table salted hashes
303 2011-09-11 03:16:14 <theymos> BTCTrader: I assumed in those calculations that the attacker could do 10 trillion hashes per second, which I think is reasonable. Passwords are salted, so rainbow tables can't be easily used.
304 2011-09-11 03:16:17 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: HAHAHAHAHAHAH
305 2011-09-11 03:16:18 <copumpkin> you can't even dream of cracking it
306 2011-09-11 03:16:18 <Diablo-D3> hahahahahaha
307 2011-09-11 03:16:19 <Diablo-D3> oh wow
308 2011-09-11 03:16:23 <Diablo-D3> I lol'd
309 2011-09-11 03:16:48 <BTCTrader_> the passwords i care about are > 30 :D
310 2011-09-11 03:16:55 <copumpkin> BTCTrader_: the growth is exponential (and a large base) for every additional character
311 2011-09-11 03:17:12 <copumpkin> even the entire bitcoin network couldn't crack an alphanum+10 symbols of 15 characters
312 2011-09-11 03:17:16 <copumpkin> in any reasonable amount of time
313 2011-09-11 03:17:24 <BTCTrader_> nods
314 2011-09-11 03:17:49 <BTCTrader_> but who uses "alphanum+10 symbols of 15 characters"
315 2011-09-11 03:17:52 <copumpkin> just felt like making that point :P I've heard a lot of bitcoiners say things like "meh, we hash all the time with our mining rigs. we can crack all passwords"
316 2011-09-11 03:18:05 <Diablo-D3> copumpkin: of what?
317 2011-09-11 03:18:06 <copumpkin> BTCTrader_: I have upper,lower,numbers,and symbols
318 2011-09-11 03:18:19 <copumpkin> Diablo-D3: of what?
319 2011-09-11 03:18:32 <Diablo-D3> copumpkin: I can crack any simple md5 or sha256 in very short time.
320 2011-09-11 03:18:35 <Diablo-D3> salt or not.
321 2011-09-11 03:18:41 <copumpkin> I'm talking about the alphabet
322 2011-09-11 03:18:51 <Diablo-D3> I think you misunderstood
323 2011-09-11 03:19:01 <Diablo-D3> you can put unicode in there, Im still raping you.
324 2011-09-11 03:19:12 <copumpkin> show me
325 2011-09-11 03:19:22 <copumpkin> 62^15
326 2011-09-11 03:20:25 <copumpkin> you must do a lot of hashes per second
327 2011-09-11 03:20:33 <BTCTrader_> are you suggesting the forum should basically add two factor authentication?
328 2011-09-11 03:20:44 <copumpkin> I'm saying you want a strengthened hash function
329 2011-09-11 03:20:45 <Diablo-D3> BTCTrader_: not at all
330 2011-09-11 03:20:48 <copumpkin> pbkdf2
331 2011-09-11 03:20:50 <copumpkin> or crypt
332 2011-09-11 03:20:54 <Diablo-D3> the forum should stop leaking the goddamned db
333 2011-09-11 03:21:00 <BTCTrader_> i wouldnt be opposed to OTP
334 2011-09-11 03:21:00 <copumpkin> that too :)
335 2011-09-11 03:21:28 <BTCTrader_> well, pft. yea tell that to any LAMP forum package
336 2011-09-11 03:22:09 <Diablo-D3> pkdf2 with sha256 with a 128 bit high entropy salt ran for 1m+ variable number of runs works for me
337 2011-09-11 03:22:15 <Diablo-D3> anything less is not secure
338 2011-09-11 03:22:49 <BTCTrader_> lol.  Diablo-D3 you are a paranoid dude.  i like you already.
339 2011-09-11 03:23:20 <Diablo-D3> er, I meant sha512
340 2011-09-11 03:23:31 <BTCTrader_> lol
341 2011-09-11 03:23:35 <Diablo-D3> although a lot of people are suggesting 256 or greater high entropy salts now
342 2011-09-11 03:24:53 <copumpkin> :)
343 2011-09-11 03:30:52 <k9quaint> I just use 8 asterisks as my password, no hacker would ever suspect it!
344 2011-09-11 03:31:51 <BTCTrader_> k9quaint, let me introduce you to http://hashcat.net no hacker needs to suspect it
345 2011-09-11 03:32:49 <k9quaint> those programs never check for asterisks!
346 2011-09-11 03:33:07 <copumpkin> lol
347 2011-09-11 03:35:45 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * rd3ac27940aa4 cgminer/NEWS: Update NEWS.
348 2011-09-11 03:35:47 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * r84a3ee45fd54 cgminer/configure.ac: Bump version to 2.0.2.
349 2011-09-11 03:36:37 <theymos> What do you guys think of this email that I will send to all forum users? See any errors? http://pastebin.com/H4aAhr3d
350 2011-09-11 03:39:52 <noagendamarket> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Forums#General_Bitcoin_Discussion   Can the forum lin k on bitcoin.org be changed to that ?
351 2011-09-11 03:40:47 <noagendamarket> "unnoficial bitcoin forum" is rather misleading
352 2011-09-11 03:41:11 <noagendamarket> "Bitcoin Discussion" linking to the wiki forum page is much better
353 2011-09-11 04:30:08 <CIA-101> DiabloMiner: Patrick McFarland master * ra29054a / src/main/java/com/diablominer/DiabloMiner/DiabloMiner.java : Improve performance until AMD fixes CPU use bug - http://git.io/trUj-Q
354 2011-09-11 04:36:39 <CIA-101> DiabloMiner: Patrick McFarland master * r7043ae8 / src/main/java/com/diablominer/DiabloMiner/DiabloMiner.java : Cut network failure sleep in half - http://git.io/X45_tA
355 2011-09-11 05:42:04 <deego`> Last 2-3 days, the network seems very fragmented (I know I don't know what that means.) Most of my attempts to send stay at 0 confirmations for hours. Anyone know if the "network is fragmented?"
356 2011-09-11 06:01:22 <lfm> deego how many connections do you have?
357 2011-09-11 06:16:25 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,mtgox
358 2011-09-11 06:16:26 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":5.26052,"low":4.6001,"avg":4.896985223,"vwap":4.89283945,"vol":30883,"last":4.90405,"buy":4.90405,"sell":4.91697}}
359 2011-09-11 07:10:47 <ThomasV> apparently, I still have deadlocks in the deadlock free version
360 2011-09-11 07:15:41 <wboy1> Hi guys,anyone is here? would love if you check out our new designed wallet at: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Safebit/285842344765241#!/pages/Safebit/285842344765241 ,http://www.safeb.it would love for your feedbacks!
361 2011-09-11 07:27:34 <Eliel> wboy1: from the screenshots, looks like it's got some nice ideas in it.
362 2011-09-11 07:29:12 <wboy1> thanks,we are about to release early version later on today:)
363 2011-09-11 07:32:59 <marf_away> i want a block
364 2011-09-11 07:33:01 <marf_away> now
365 2011-09-11 07:33:02 <marf_away> !!!
366 2011-09-11 07:33:03 <marf_away> ;D
367 2011-09-11 07:34:06 <tcatm> marf_away: just wait 10 minutes and the network will send you a new one :)
368 2011-09-11 07:34:15 <Graet> lol
369 2011-09-11 07:34:27 <marf_away> i did wait for 70 minits
370 2011-09-11 07:34:42 <Graet> i'm looking as hard as i can ;)
371 2011-09-11 07:35:12 <marf_away> try glasses
372 2011-09-11 07:35:22 <marf_away> just 4 blocks last 2 h
373 2011-09-11 07:35:33 <Graet> i have glasses, my gpus do better job tho
374 2011-09-11 08:05:51 <makomk> Wow, that's a nasty *facepalm* security vulnerability in vanilla SMF, and no mistake.
375 2011-09-11 08:27:07 <tcatm> makomk: ?
376 2011-09-11 08:27:39 <makomk> tcatm: re. the security hole bitcointalk.org got hacked through.
377 2011-09-11 08:35:32 <ThomasV> is there someone here who knows how to use pywallet ?
378 2011-09-11 09:28:38 <xelister> makomk: is there url describing the vuln?
379 2011-09-11 09:29:56 <makomk> xelister: nope, other than the description in Theymos's post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=42572.0
380 2011-09-11 10:39:41 <Raccoon`> 9/11 speech live - http://www.ustream.tv/news
381 2011-09-11 10:40:45 <cjdelisle> all the 9 year olds are like WTF are you old farts all going on about?!
382 2011-09-11 10:45:51 <lfm> I think even 9 year olds have seen the film of the towers falling
383 2011-09-11 10:46:32 <cjdelisle> and they probably think we (you) are still old and care about shit that doesn't matter
384 2011-09-11 10:47:19 <lfm> maybe if they are brain damaged 9 year olds
385 2011-09-11 10:49:24 <cjdelisle> I was there at perl harbor and I saw it all, it was horrible there were planes everywhere, hey, where are you going, this is really important, you are the most disrespectfull grandson....
386 2011-09-11 10:49:52 <lfm> I suspect even 9 year olds in the Amazon jungle can understand why people care about 9/11
387 2011-09-11 10:51:48 <cjdelisle> every 2 and a half days, 3000 people die of smoking cigaretts, where's their memorial?
388 2011-09-11 10:52:49 <lfm> their memorial is "why didn't they stop smoking?"
389 2011-09-11 11:28:32 <deego> lfm: 8
390 2011-09-11 12:08:14 <manveru> 30000 people died from the tsnuami in japan, are we all living on hills yet?
391 2011-09-11 13:26:54 <Mad7Scientist> When bitcoin gets hung up for a while finding blocks or on a slow system the miners get disconnected and don't reconnect again until I restart bitcoin
392 2011-09-11 13:27:09 <Mad7Scientist> I mean getting blocks
393 2011-09-11 13:49:23 <bstation> hi! someone here who will testride my pool? it is currently on testnet and i need load from up to 10 gpu for now. someone who is willing to play around with the front-end is welcome, too!
394 2011-09-11 13:56:16 <bstation> if you like to support me on my testnet-approval, please sign up to & use https://bitcoin-station.com
395 2011-09-11 14:28:56 <jgarzik> tcatm: bitcoinwatch's last-price and high/low seem to disagree with the numbers seen when logging into mtgox.com
396 2011-09-11 14:35:00 <lfm> ;;ticker
397 2011-09-11 14:35:01 <gribble> Best bid: 5.90001, Best ask: 6.0911, Bid-ask spread: 0.19109, Last trade: 6.13984, 24 hour volume: 89633, 24 hour low: 4, 24 hour high: 12.50028
398 2011-09-11 14:35:36 <lfm> wow, someone is buying
399 2011-09-11 14:36:18 <manveru> bstation: blue text with black links is quite... confusing
400 2011-09-11 14:36:32 <lfm> I cant get to bitcoincharts at all
401 2011-09-11 14:37:33 <manveru> bstation: why do you limit passwords to alphanumeric?
402 2011-09-11 14:38:12 <lfm> manveru: harder to inject spq?
403 2011-09-11 14:38:19 <lfm> sql
404 2011-09-11 14:38:27 <manveru> uh
405 2011-09-11 14:38:34 <manveru> why would he store the passwords in plaintext?
406 2011-09-11 14:39:06 <lfm> whats that got to do with it? but I dont know anything about it really
407 2011-09-11 14:39:07 <manveru> that's what bcrypt is for
408 2011-09-11 14:41:01 <gribble> 12.50028
409 2011-09-11 14:41:01 <lfm> ;;ticker --high
410 2011-09-11 14:41:15 <lfm> is that just a glitch or something real I wonder?
411 2011-09-11 14:41:35 <bstation> hehe. no. the limitation is just a relic. simply an old validator
412 2011-09-11 14:41:53 <xelister> lfm: it was glitch caused by mtgox canceling some trades&accounts as in above 30 lines backlog
413 2011-09-11 14:42:02 <xelister> on #mtgox
414 2011-09-11 14:42:13 <xelister> he suspects people to be hackers so he cancels they orders
415 2011-09-11 14:42:16 <Joric> '-0.446846081122 % estimated difficulty change this period' oh yes
416 2011-09-11 14:45:49 <lfm> ;;bc,estimate
417 2011-09-11 14:45:50 <gribble> 1769830.56639672
418 2011-09-11 14:46:02 <lfm> ;;bc,spotestimate
419 2011-09-11 14:46:06 <gribble> 1717912.35344
420 2011-09-11 14:46:44 <iddo> what is bc,spotestimate ?
421 2011-09-11 14:47:13 <lfm> I feel like the man with two clocks who never knows what time it is any more. two estimates just make it less certain! :-)
422 2011-09-11 14:47:43 <lfm> iddo spot est is based on last 3 days instead of since last diff change
423 2011-09-11 14:49:21 <iddo> hmm
424 2011-09-11 14:49:23 <lfm> iddo mainly cuz regular est goes wild right after diff change
425 2011-09-11 14:50:14 <iddo> regular est does average of 3 weeks?
426 2011-09-11 14:51:19 <iddo> ah i see, it does average since last difficulty change
427 2011-09-11 14:51:37 <iddo> and spot est always does 3 days average
428 2011-09-11 14:53:18 <iddo> so spot is probably more accurate now too, even though the real difficulty change will be according to regular est?
429 2011-09-11 14:54:55 <lfm> iddo right
430 2011-09-11 14:57:34 <iddo> how to translate difficulty to terahash/s ?
431 2011-09-11 14:58:08 <lfm> to translate diff to hash per sec multiply by 2^32 then divide by 600
432 2011-09-11 14:58:40 <lfm> terahash / s is then div 1e12?
433 2011-09-11 14:59:16 <lfm> ;;calc [bc,diff] * (2^32) / 600 / 1e12
434 2011-09-11 14:59:17 <gribble> ((1,777,774.4820015 * (2^32)) / 600) / 1e12 = 12.7258054
435 2011-09-11 14:59:32 <iddo> nice
436 2011-09-11 14:59:32 <imsaguy> I thought hash/s were base 10?
437 2011-09-11 14:59:53 <lfm> imsaguy its all base 10, huh?
438 2011-09-11 15:00:09 <imsaguy> oh, nm, you were figuring in diff
439 2011-09-11 15:00:12 <imsaguy> miss that bit
440 2011-09-11 15:00:19 <imsaguy> missed*
441 2011-09-11 15:00:56 <lfm> the 600 is seconds per 10 min nominal block time
442 2011-09-11 15:04:18 <lfm> can use :
443 2011-09-11 15:04:27 <lfm> ;;calc [bc,spotestimate] * (2^32) / 600 / 1e12
444 2011-09-11 15:04:29 <gribble> ((1,717,912.35344 * (2^32)) / 600) / 1e12 = 12.2972956
445 2011-09-11 15:04:35 <lfm> instead if you prefer
446 2011-09-11 16:33:44 <ThomasV> gavinandresen: hi, are you sure there are no more deadlocks ?
447 2011-09-11 16:49:05 <jgarzik> ThomasV: no one is ever -sure-
448 2011-09-11 16:49:41 <jgarzik> ThomasV: good engineers avoid phrases like "always" and "never", preferring to use them only when there is provable, mathematic certainty
449 2011-09-11 16:50:06 <jgarzik> ThomasV: the deadlock checking is very good, but we rely on paths being exercised
450 2011-09-11 16:53:17 <ThomasV> jgarzik: I am not "sure" that I have a rpc deadlock but it looks like one
451 2011-09-11 18:33:55 <CIA-101> bitcoinjs/node-bitcoin-p2p: Stefan Thomas master * r1addb3b / lib/blockchain.js : Better log message for database connecting. - http://git.io/aLDzzw
452 2011-09-11 18:33:56 <CIA-101> bitcoinjs/node-bitcoin-p2p: Stefan Thomas master * reac460f / (lib/blockchain.js lib/node.js lib/settings.js): Ignore incoming memory transactions while block chain is still small. - http://git.io/-XgbNA
453 2011-09-11 18:50:46 <BlueMatt> cjdelisle: re "upgrading libdb is going to upgrade wallets so they are unreadable by older versions, was that intentional?" yes, it was
454 2011-09-11 21:07:55 <CIA-101> bitcoinjs/node-bitcoin-p2p: Stefan Thomas master * rd151719 / daemon/init.js : Fixed incorrect settings filename in help message. - http://git.io/sgoA1w
455 2011-09-11 21:56:01 <theymos> Forum password alert emails have all been sent now. Did you all receive one?
456 2011-09-11 21:56:12 <cacheson> theymos: yes
457 2011-09-11 21:58:06 <Diablo-D3> maybe
458 2011-09-11 22:23:00 <devrandom> [5~[6~[6~[6~[6~/quit
459 2011-09-11 22:28:28 <pointbiz> yes
460 2011-09-11 22:28:48 <diki> yup
461 2011-09-11 22:36:32 <pointbiz> ANN bitaddress.org
462 2011-09-11 22:36:35 <pointbiz> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=43496.new#new
463 2011-09-11 22:37:20 <pointbiz> BOUNTY of 0.1 BTC... please post on the forum if you collect the bounty
464 2011-09-11 22:40:48 <cjdelisle> that's a cool idea, thanks for putting that together
465 2011-09-11 22:41:04 <jrmithdobbs> what's the bounty for exactly? knowing how to apply the importwallet patch?
466 2011-09-11 22:41:45 <cjdelisle> can you import a single key into a wallet?
467 2011-09-11 22:41:51 <jrmithdobbs> yes
468 2011-09-11 22:42:06 <cjdelisle> is it like in the gui and easy to use?
469 2011-09-11 22:42:20 <jrmithdobbs> no
470 2011-09-11 22:42:29 <jrmithdobbs> it was supposed to be in .4
471 2011-09-11 22:42:38 <cjdelisle> IMO that's a really important feature which should make the mainline
472 2011-09-11 22:42:40 <jrmithdobbs> but gavin decided it wasn't a priority feature
473 2011-09-11 22:42:51 <jrmithdobbs> worth waiting for
474 2011-09-11 22:43:27 <cjdelisle> [ Paste private key here  ] [ ] check if this key is untrusted and the money should be transferred from it
475 2011-09-11 22:43:44 <cjdelisle> also export wallet really needs to make the mainline
476 2011-09-11 22:44:07 <cjdelisle> having all of your money in a berkleydb file is a scary user experience.
477 2011-09-11 22:44:38 <cjdelisle> When I moved my money out of gox into my bitcoin engine, my first thought was "how can I get the key to that"
478 2011-09-11 22:44:54 <cjdelisle> I wanted something I could write on paper and know that I had access to it.
479 2011-09-11 22:45:29 <pointbiz> the bounty is just to verify that the JavaScript outputs proper bitcoin addresses and correct private keys
480 2011-09-11 22:46:09 <pointbiz> I'm not running the patched bitcoin with the import feature
481 2011-09-11 22:46:32 <cjdelisle> ahh I see
482 2011-09-11 22:46:47 <cjdelisle> me neither
483 2011-09-11 22:47:46 <pointbiz> cjdelisle: thanks for the props
484 2011-09-11 22:48:41 <pointbiz> there is a level of comfort being able to see your private key outside of the berkeley DB. something you can safely store in truecrypt etc.
485 2011-09-11 22:49:25 <cjdelisle> exactly
486 2011-09-11 22:49:42 <cjdelisle> that's why import/export are a pretty high priority IMO
487 2011-09-11 22:50:00 <pointbiz> I agree, I'm patiently waiting for it too
488 2011-09-11 22:51:06 <cjdelisle> I would be willing to help make it a reality but I am not very good with the gui end.
489 2011-09-11 22:51:19 <pointbiz> I'm hoping someone else in the community with more cred than me can review the code and provide a signature of the hash...
490 2011-09-11 22:51:23 <cjdelisle> I guess it should be patched against the QT branch
491 2011-09-11 22:51:34 <cjdelisle> oh I see
492 2011-09-11 22:52:16 <cjdelisle> unfortunately that won't do a lot of good since with javascript you have to trust the website which provides it each time
493 2011-09-11 22:52:48 <cjdelisle> if that could be turned into a gm script or *phone app then it would be different
494 2011-09-11 22:52:52 <pointbiz> that's why all the javascript is inline... so you can download the file and verify the SHA1
495 2011-09-11 22:53:16 <cjdelisle> run it from your desktop.. I suppose that makes sense
496 2011-09-11 22:54:09 <SomeoneWeird> pointbiz, link?
497 2011-09-11 22:54:15 <pointbiz> depending on a person's paranoia level
498 2011-09-11 22:55:23 <cjdelisle> http://www.bitaddress.org/bitaddress.org-v0.1-SHA1-f40e706490f3eb2be56c31ddbf4c8646cd51ef40.html
499 2011-09-11 22:55:38 <cjdelisle> well I don't like to advocate things which involve trust
500 2011-09-11 22:56:21 <cjdelisle> I mean sure you're good for it and you're not going to bate and switch, but if people start going down that path, then what? another mybitcoin?
501 2011-09-11 22:56:27 <pointbiz> good advise
502 2011-09-11 22:56:53 <SomeoneWeird> mmm
503 2011-09-11 22:56:57 <cjdelisle> That's why I don't like the bitbills, I would rather trust a process than a person
504 2011-09-11 22:57:08 <SomeoneWeird> yep
505 2011-09-11 22:57:19 <cjdelisle> SomeoneWeird you can download it to your desktop *everything* (even the logo) is in that html file
506 2011-09-11 22:57:37 <SomeoneWeird> ohk
507 2011-09-11 22:57:45 <pointbiz> im hoping others can sign the hash to add trust
508 2011-09-11 22:57:47 <SomeoneWeird> seems like a good idea
509 2011-09-11 22:58:26 <SomeoneWeird> i would but i just looked at that js and was like 0.o
510 2011-09-11 22:58:40 <pointbiz> and it's safest if you download and review the js personally
511 2011-09-11 22:58:57 <pointbiz> lol
512 2011-09-11 22:59:52 <SomeoneWeird> :p
513 2011-09-11 23:02:09 <cjdelisle> that's the bitch about the web, you secure the connection, not sign the content
514 2011-09-11 23:07:06 <SomeoneWeird> yes you need a ssl cert pointbiz
515 2011-09-11 23:07:11 <SomeoneWeird> at least
516 2011-09-11 23:11:31 <b4epoche> if you run OSX you can use my app for getting QR codes for your keys
517 2011-09-11 23:13:41 <luke-jr> anyone know about the recent bitcoind exploit?
518 2011-09-11 23:13:52 <xelister> luke-jr: which exploit?
519 2011-09-11 23:14:11 <SomeoneWeird> orly?
520 2011-09-11 23:14:15 <luke-jr> xelister: it seems someone has figured out a way to crash bitcoind 0.3.23 at least
521 2011-09-11 23:14:19 <SomeoneWeird> the one that artz used?
522 2011-09-11 23:17:21 <luke-jr> isn't artz's just block-chain related?
523 2011-09-11 23:17:49 <SomeoneWeird> probably
524 2011-09-11 23:17:56 <Disposition> then some client which ran on vps froze, but yes it's block chain related
525 2011-09-11 23:18:10 <Disposition> though it'd cost a lot of money for it to run it on bitcoin network due to transaction fees
526 2011-09-11 23:18:25 <Disposition> it only worked on solidcoin.
527 2011-09-11 23:18:43 <Disposition> though we did have a decent amount of large transactions today( 50k+)
528 2011-09-11 23:19:22 <luke-jr> unrelated then
529 2011-09-11 23:19:51 <Disposition> yar.
530 2011-09-11 23:19:57 <Disposition> if anyone is curious http://blockexplorer.com/block/00000000000007fe3e6060ec0c6ddb6790c77a8dc06eea4575a2408eebbf07d0
531 2011-09-11 23:25:23 <pointbiz> re: bitaddress.org theoretically if you trust the addresses generated are good and do not destroy coins then to audit the code you have downloaded you only have to check the JavaScript does not make an ajax call
532 2011-09-11 23:25:26 <Joric> pointbiz, fuck someone already managed to transfer funds while i was downloading blockchain
533 2011-09-11 23:25:31 <Joric> http://blockexplorer.com/address/19ePdrxmtVCdRMZrJzCX3gf6fK6juu9yFa
534 2011-09-11 23:25:41 <Joric> pointbiz, also, http://bitcointools.appspot.com
535 2011-09-11 23:26:15 <Joric> i should add an ability to make rapid transfers from the site
536 2011-09-11 23:26:47 <Joric> downloading wallet.dat is not fast enough
537 2011-09-11 23:26:59 <pointbiz> :)
538 2011-09-11 23:27:27 <Joric> pointbiz, your address https://bitcointools.appspot.com/?k=3BF44F939A73052E56FC1B946A080E30B46FFD49835FD59ACDAA5ACFB15D11D2
539 2011-09-11 23:29:13 <Joric> i wouldn't even try to catch other 0.05 block downloading takes ages
540 2011-09-11 23:30:14 <Joric> like, 300 blocks in 10 minutes
541 2011-09-11 23:30:25 <Joric> that's the speed i have now, with 16 connections
542 2011-09-11 23:32:08 <Joric> with all that, the disk activity is really crazy
543 2011-09-11 23:35:59 <SomeoneWeird> stupid internetz
544 2011-09-11 23:36:23 <Joric> i have no idea how to download blocks on GAE :) probably take json ones from the blockexplorer
545 2011-09-11 23:39:14 <Joric> it wouldn't be possible to broadcast packet without tcp sockets anyway
546 2011-09-11 23:45:07 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Michael Bemmerl master * rc414942 / locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/bitcoin.po : Updated German translation - http://git.io/7HikMw
547 2011-09-11 23:45:08 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik master * r38fd861 / locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/bitcoin.po :
548 2011-09-11 23:52:19 <Joric> hey BlueMatt
549 2011-09-11 23:52:42 <BlueMatt> hi Joric
550 2011-09-11 23:53:16 <Joric> BlueMatt is it possible to send btc if you don't have a blockchain? theoretically?
551 2011-09-11 23:53:30 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: know anything about the recent exploit?