1 2011-09-13 00:00:00 <copumpkin> I know they don't :)
 2 2011-09-13 00:00:02 <copumpkin> not remotely, at least
 3 2011-09-13 00:00:04 <imsaguy> enough conspiracy for me tonight
 4 2011-09-13 00:00:12 <copumpkin> if you restore your device, they can do whatever
 5 2011-09-13 00:00:15 <BlueMatt> ;;later tell devrandom it appears the non-determinism in the setup exe is a result of nsis aligning the bitcoin icon file to some boundry and padding with random crap...
 6 2011-09-13 00:00:16 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
 7 2011-09-13 00:00:17 <ymirhotfoot> When nyou be in new York copumpkin?
 8 2011-09-13 00:00:28 <copumpkin> in new york?
 9 2011-09-13 00:00:34 <xelister> imsaguy: yea but your are not throwing it away; the shop slips in while you are asleep, steals one of book he sold you (with your notes inside) and leaves "sorry" note...   I don't get it - are you now defending what Amazon did in this case?
10 2011-09-13 00:00:37 <ymirhotfoot> New York City
11 2011-09-13 00:00:41 <xelister> *shop owner
12 2011-09-13 00:00:57 <imsaguy> I'm saying they didn't delete the notes on purpose
13 2011-09-13 00:01:00 <copumpkin> ymirhotfoot: I don't have any visits to NYC scheduled, but I go down every few months
14 2011-09-13 00:01:03 <imsaguy> that was a side effect of removing the book.
15 2011-09-13 00:01:06 <ymirhotfoot> Oi, imsaguy, oi
16 2011-09-13 00:01:20 <xelister> imsaguy: yes deleting notes was not on purpose, so what? it still sucks
17 2011-09-13 00:01:25 <ymirhotfoot> Suppose it were some other theif, not Amazon, is it then OK?
18 2011-09-13 00:01:38 <ymirhotfoot> No, and it is not OK when Amazon does it neither.
19 2011-09-13 00:01:43 <imsaguy> I remove shit from my user's machines if I don't like it, even if there's good stuff in it
20 2011-09-13 00:02:06 <imsaguy> its a right they've given me.
21 2011-09-13 00:02:07 <Disposition> ymirhotfoot: what about New york?
22 2011-09-13 00:02:15 <ymirhotfoot> imsaguy: So it is OK if I come into your computer, look around remove nothing, but just copy some files to mine?
23 2011-09-13 00:02:21 <xelister> imsaguy: are you defending amazon's remote removing of the books is already sold (+/unintentionall/ deletion of user own notes)?
24 2011-09-13 00:02:33 <imsaguy> why'd they remove the books?
25 2011-09-13 00:02:39 <ymirhotfoot> Amazon and apple not only calim a legal right to that, they have done that and worse.
26 2011-09-13 00:02:45 <ymirhotfoot> Why is that OK?
27 2011-09-13 00:02:50 <xelister> imsaguy: as a customer I do not care, I paid for the book
28 2011-09-13 00:03:01 <imsaguy> they aren't selling you the book, they are selling you a revocable license to the book
29 2011-09-13 00:03:06 <xelister> probably them screwed up something with organizing licensing. should be their problem
30 2011-09-13 00:03:08 <imsaguy> read the terms
31 2011-09-13 00:03:11 <ymirhotfoot> imsaguy: not relevant why.  The offense is that they have root.
32 2011-09-13 00:03:21 <xelister> imsaguy: then amazon's terms sucks bawls
33 2011-09-13 00:03:22 <imsaguy> you can delete without root
34 2011-09-13 00:03:33 <ymirhotfoot> ad why: they thought the transfer of the copies violated copyright.
35 2011-09-13 00:03:36 <imsaguy> they can remove books from my android device and they certainly don't have root
36 2011-09-13 00:03:43 <ymirhotfoot> They were wrong about this small detail too.
37 2011-09-13 00:03:51 <gmaxwell> publisher sold books, later it was claimed they didn't have the rights to the book, so amazon deleted it from people's device (also destroyed forever annotations users made, etc)
38 2011-09-13 00:03:56 <xelister> on another consideration,  amazon's action of destorying user's notes, even if inadvertly, is inexcusable. at least to me.
39 2011-09-13 00:03:59 <gmaxwell> slightly ironically the book in question was 1984.
40 2011-09-13 00:04:02 <xelister> imsaguy: ^ you don't agree?
41 2011-09-13 00:04:11 <ymirhotfoot> imsaguy: if you cannot stop them, then they own that device,
42 2011-09-13 00:04:15 <ymirhotfoot> and you do not.