1 2011-10-06 00:20:39 <Diablo-D3> the front page of HN is all steve jobs except for the two bottom stories
  2 2011-10-06 00:20:56 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * r6dc10efaa56a cgminer/main.c: Don't try to build adl features without having adl.
  3 2011-10-06 00:26:17 <EvanR> im not sure if anyones heard yet
  4 2011-10-06 00:26:23 <EvanR> jobs is dead
  5 2011-10-06 00:26:30 <EvanR> joking
  6 2011-10-06 00:27:11 <luke-jr> "In memory of the late Steve Jobs, Apple will be using our emergency remote access to temporarily put all Macbooks, Macbook Pros, Macbook Airs, iPhones, iPads, iTouches and iMacs into sleep mode for 1 minute of digital silence at 13:00EST October 10. These are all devices that were the labor of Steve's love and this can be your way of saying thanks."
  7 2011-10-06 00:28:00 <EvanR> are you serious?
  8 2011-10-06 00:28:17 <luke-jr> dunno, ask TPB
  9 2011-10-06 00:28:57 <EvanR> im not sure if the peanut butter has much to say on the matter
 10 2011-10-06 00:59:11 <Diablo-D3> heh
 11 2011-10-06 00:59:43 <Diablo-D3> top 30 stories, the whole front page, of hn is steve jobs
 12 2011-10-06 01:01:47 <log0s> people tend to get upset about losing jobs
 13 2011-10-06 01:09:13 <jgarzik> Obama wants to create more jobs
 14 2011-10-06 01:11:33 <shadders> *happy dance*... just added checksum caching to bitcoinj optimisation patch and boosted performance gain from avg 54% across the test set to 218%.  Now need to make a good list of reasons why caching checksum is a bad idea to see if I've addressed them all
 15 2011-10-06 01:18:14 <shadders> luke-jr: you're good at telling my why my code's wrong... any input?
 16 2011-10-06 01:31:05 <luke-jr> shadders: um, what checksum?
 17 2011-10-06 01:31:21 <shadders> header checksum
 18 2011-10-06 01:31:31 <shadders> when sending msg over the wire
 19 2011-10-06 01:31:42 <shadders> bitcoin protocol
 20 2011-10-06 01:32:28 <luke-jr> I don't know bitcoin protocol at all
 21 2011-10-06 01:32:36 <luke-jr> sorry
 22 2011-10-06 01:50:00 <Diablo-D3> [11:09:13] <jgarzik> Obama wants to create more jobs
 23 2011-10-06 01:50:17 <Diablo-D3> I wouldnt mind more jobs either.
 24 2011-10-06 01:51:16 <jrmithdobbs> but there'll never be another jobs :(
 25 2011-10-06 01:51:24 <Diablo-D3> who knows
 26 2011-10-06 01:51:44 <Diablo-D3> it just takes someone whos insane enough to take an idea and run with it
 27 2011-10-06 01:51:44 <log0s> it's obama
 28 2011-10-06 01:51:52 <log0s> oops
 29 2011-10-06 01:51:56 <Diablo-D3> periodically, people like that show up
 30 2011-10-06 01:52:23 <log0s> it's obama's fault...he killed jobs during the process of trying to create more jobs
 31 2011-10-06 01:52:41 <Diablo-D3> log0s: oh shut up
 32 2011-10-06 01:52:44 <Diablo-D3> today isnt a day to troll
 33 2011-10-06 01:57:33 <log0s> Diablo-D3: actually, it was apparently a very sad attempt at making a joke...wasn't trying to troll
 34 2011-10-06 02:48:48 <TuxBlackEdo_> rescued:    48169 MB,  errsize:    803 kB,  current rate:     720 kB/s
 35 2011-10-06 02:48:54 <TuxBlackEdo_> from ddrescue
 36 2011-10-06 02:49:02 <TuxBlackEdo_> 32gb left to go
 37 2011-10-06 02:49:30 <TuxBlackEdo_> ;;calc (80000-48169)/60 minutes
 38 2011-10-06 02:49:31 <gribble> (80???000 - 48???169) / (60 minutes) = 8.84194444 hertz
 39 2011-10-06 02:49:36 <TuxBlackEdo_> ;;calc (80000-48169)/60 minutes
 40 2011-10-06 02:49:37 <gribble> (80???000 - 48???169) / (60 minutes) = 8.84194444 hertz
 41 2011-10-06 02:49:46 <TuxBlackEdo_> 8 more hours
 42 2011-10-06 02:49:52 <TuxBlackEdo_> damn
 43 2011-10-06 03:07:11 <FellowTraveler> hi all.
 44 2011-10-06 04:12:29 <mabus> http://i.imgur.com/sArkg.png
 45 2011-10-06 04:13:34 <Diablo-D3> whoever made that should feel bad
 46 2011-10-06 04:14:04 <gmaxwell> Poor taste and offtopic.
 47 2011-10-06 04:25:46 <noagendamarket> lol
 48 2011-10-06 04:38:08 <mabus> macfag detector
 49 2011-10-06 12:10:03 <devs_> goodmorning
 50 2011-10-06 12:10:26 <devs_> new york
 51 2011-10-06 12:13:21 <TuxBlackEdo_> good morning
 52 2011-10-06 12:13:22 <TuxBlackEdo_> gjs278, ive been running ddrescue officially for 4 hours now
 53 2011-10-06 12:13:23 <TuxBlackEdo_> 24 hours*
 54 2011-10-06 12:13:24 <epscy> what did you do?
 55 2011-10-06 12:13:25 <TuxBlackEdo_> 10gb left to go
 56 2011-10-06 12:13:26 <TuxBlackEdo_> well my ssd drive stopped working and wouldnt mount
 57 2011-10-06 12:13:39 <epscy> with btc on it?
 58 2011-10-06 12:13:44 <TuxBlackEdo_> and dd crapped out after 16gb of copied data, however ddrescue keeps going
 59 2011-10-06 12:13:50 <TuxBlackEdo_> yeah with btc on it
 60 2011-10-06 12:14:16 <TuxBlackEdo_> as well as source code
 61 2011-10-06 12:14:31 <epscy> i got one of those physical bitcoins
 62 2011-10-06 12:14:40 <epscy> i am tempted to send all my btc to that address
 63 2011-10-06 12:14:49 <epscy> and just use that to store them
 64 2011-10-06 12:15:01 <TuxBlackEdo_> bitbill?
 65 2011-10-06 12:15:18 <epscy> nah that ones that casciuccscscscscs made
 66 2011-10-06 12:15:54 <epscy> just means if i lose that coin...
 67 2011-10-06 12:16:10 <epscy> or if the dude kept the private key...
 68 2011-10-06 12:16:39 <epscy> or if an asteroid hits the earth killing all life...
 69 2011-10-06 12:16:49 <epscy> i lose all my btc
 70 2011-10-06 12:17:04 <TuxBlackEdo_> or if bitcoin network gets taken over by steam
 71 2011-10-06 12:17:37 <TuxBlackEdo_> rescued:    70402 MB,  errsize:    803 kB,  current rate:     720 kB/s
 72 2011-10-06 12:17:40 <TuxBlackEdo_> so damn close
 73 2011-10-06 12:17:50 <TuxBlackEdo_> 70gb out of 80gb (after 24 hours)
 74 2011-10-06 12:18:00 <helo> and no wallet?
 75 2011-10-06 12:18:15 <TuxBlackEdo_> no i havent opened anything i am letting it rescue itself
 76 2011-10-06 12:18:25 <X0Rc0re> hello
 77 2011-10-06 12:18:40 <X0Rc0re> anyone here interested inreverse engineering?
 78 2011-10-06 12:19:00 <sipa> reverse engineering of what?
 79 2011-10-06 12:19:01 <lianj> whats inreverse?
 80 2011-10-06 12:19:02 <helo> who isn't?
 81 2011-10-06 12:19:16 <lianj> oh, in reverse..
 82 2011-10-06 12:20:17 <X0Rc0re> reverse engineering of software
 83 2011-10-06 12:20:28 <X0Rc0re> using ollydbg,IDA pro etc.
 84 2011-10-06 12:20:46 <lianj> TheSeven: ^^
 85 2011-10-06 12:21:01 <TheSeven> word*
 86 2011-10-06 12:21:07 <TheSeven> X0Rc0re: what kind of software?
 87 2011-10-06 12:21:40 <edcba> X0Rc0re: are you talking to me ?
 88 2011-10-06 12:21:57 <X0Rc0re> im talking to everyone interested
 89 2011-10-06 12:22:15 <X0Rc0re> Blackshades RAT, winodws apps, drivers
 90 2011-10-06 12:22:16 <edcba> what is your question ?
 91 2011-10-06 12:22:30 <sipa> what does that have to do with bitcoin?
 92 2011-10-06 12:22:52 <X0Rc0re> TheSeven
 93 2011-10-06 12:23:02 <X0Rc0re> care to join my site? and IRC channel?
 94 2011-10-06 12:23:08 <X0Rc0re> :)
 95 2011-10-06 12:23:21 <edcba> ok so it was just chan advertising ?
 96 2011-10-06 12:23:27 <TheSeven> i'm not sure if i have time do more of that
 97 2011-10-06 12:23:33 <TheSeven> edcba: apparently
 98 2011-10-06 12:23:40 <X0Rc0re> its not chan advertising
 99 2011-10-06 12:23:49 <X0Rc0re> its asking for help within my IRC
100 2011-10-06 12:23:53 <edcba> why do you ask that in #bitcoin-dev ?
101 2011-10-06 12:27:42 <snimpy> ;;bc,diffchange
102 2011-10-06 12:27:44 <gribble> Estimated percent change in difficulty this period | -7.93542345643 % based on data since last change | -6.26234153576 % based on data for last three days
103 2011-10-06 12:28:00 <gribble> 1555278.56599674
104 2011-10-06 12:28:00 <snimpy> ;;bc,estimate
105 2011-10-06 12:28:17 <gribble> Error: "bc,timetonex" is not a valid command.
106 2011-10-06 12:28:17 <snimpy> ;;bc,timetonex
107 2011-10-06 12:28:23 <snimpy> ;;bc,timetonext
108 2011-10-06 12:28:24 <gribble> 6 days, 15 hours, 1 minute, and 0 seconds
109 2011-10-06 12:28:45 <snimpy> ;;bc,totalbc
110 2011-10-06 12:28:46 <gribble> 7415700.00000000
111 2011-10-06 12:28:47 <iGlad> ;;bc,stats
112 2011-10-06 12:28:50 <gribble> Current Blocks: 148313 | Current Difficulty: 1689334.4045971 | Next Difficulty At Block: 149183 | Next Difficulty In: 870 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 15 hours, 1 minute, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1555278.56599674 | Estimated Percent Change: -7.93542345643
113 2011-10-06 12:30:05 <snimpy> ;;bc,slushpool
114 2011-10-06 12:30:06 <gribble> 1328500000
115 2011-10-06 12:34:33 <gribble> Error: "nmc,stats" is not a valid command.
116 2011-10-06 12:34:33 <p0s> ;;nmc,stats
117 2011-10-06 12:34:38 <p0s> fu
118 2011-10-06 12:34:53 <gribble> Error: "nc,stats" is not a valid command.
119 2011-10-06 12:34:53 <p0s> ;;nc,stats
120 2011-10-06 12:46:55 <snimpy> ;;bc,stats
121 2011-10-06 12:46:58 <gribble> Current Blocks: 148314 | Current Difficulty: 1689334.4045971 | Next Difficulty At Block: 149183 | Next Difficulty In: 869 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 15 hours, 4 minutes, and 31 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1553683.00275552 | Estimated Percent Change: -8.02987268074
122 2011-10-06 12:54:54 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen master * r32ebde4 / src/main.cpp :
123 2011-10-06 12:56:24 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: coinbaser has a pretty clear majority support now :p
124 2011-10-06 12:56:40 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: damn, that one got thoroughly tested quick...
125 2011-10-06 12:56:40 <luke-jr> (and a Windows port)
126 2011-10-06 12:57:00 <gavinandresen> BlueMatt: what, the 30-second sleep?
127 2011-10-06 12:57:04 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: I guess the assumption is that if almost every pool does it, it's good
128 2011-10-06 12:57:25 <gavinandresen> BlueMatt: worst case scenario isn't bad for that one....
129 2011-10-06 12:57:43 <gavinandresen> ... worst case is a mining pool merges it, it stops working for them, they complain and revert
130 2011-10-06 12:57:44 <BlueMatt> (sorry about that one...)
131 2011-10-06 12:57:52 <BlueMatt> true
132 2011-10-06 12:58:53 <kinlo> why does bitcoin wait in the first place?
133 2011-10-06 12:59:03 <gavinandresen> I'm tempted to pull FastGetWork Optimization for the same reason....   who all is using it or something like it?
134 2011-10-06 12:59:10 <gavinandresen> kinlo: no clue
135 2011-10-06 13:01:24 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: pretty much everything with JoelKatz in it is used by most pools
136 2011-10-06 13:02:01 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: it probably would work out better to merge ToHex first, before FastGetWork
137 2011-10-06 13:02:14 <gavinandresen> mmm....   I really don't like the 'bitcoind is trying to be everything to everybody' state that we're in today... but the world is not perfect....
138 2011-10-06 13:02:35 <gavinandresen> so run some benchmarks and tell me how much faster ToHex is than what we've got now.
139 2011-10-06 13:02:55 <luke-jr> I don't use any of JoelKatz on Eligius ;)
140 2011-10-06 13:03:06 <gavinandresen> oh, and write some unit tests while you're at it
141 2011-10-06 13:03:11 <luke-jr> except the parts I was involved in writing
142 2011-10-06 13:03:20 <kinlo> I do think that "everybody" is a bit broad, but pooloperators are a very important part of the bitcoin users
143 2011-10-06 13:04:17 <gavinandresen> So you're telling me the only pool operator that does NOT use Mr. Katz's stuff is pushing to include a bunch of his stuff in mainline.  I don't get it.
144 2011-10-06 13:04:53 <gavinandresen> If I was a conspiracy-oriented person I might think you're trying to sabotage the other pools.
145 2011-10-06 13:04:56 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: I figure I was doing people a favour :p
146 2011-10-06 13:05:24 <luke-jr> plus, I had to split his patch up to evaluate if I wanted to bother with it too
147 2011-10-06 13:05:37 <gavinandresen> Well, ask THEM to lobby for changes they want.  The silence is deafening...
148 2011-10-06 13:05:46 <luke-jr> yeah, kinda surprised by that
149 2011-10-06 13:05:53 <luke-jr> I posted the pull reqs in the Pools forum
150 2011-10-06 13:07:44 <shadders> the pool ops are probably not feeling any need to shake up status quo coz they all know how to merge JK patches in current form... when they start wanting to move to 0.4 and if it turns the patch won't merge then they'll probably start squealing at gavin
151 2011-10-06 13:08:03 <luke-jr> heh
152 2011-10-06 13:08:21 <luke-jr> more likely JoelKatz will rebase it all and release 5diff -.-
153 2011-10-06 13:08:30 <gavinandresen> I'm perfectly fine with JoelKatz being the "pool" branch of bitcoin... specialization is good.
154 2011-10-06 13:09:00 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: except most (all?) of this stuff isn't really pool-specific
155 2011-10-06 13:09:08 <luke-jr> it makes things better for all miners
156 2011-10-06 13:09:14 <luke-jr> in theory
157 2011-10-06 13:09:32 <gavinandresen> optimizing getwork doesn't matter for solo mining
158 2011-10-06 13:09:39 <shadders> it does but it's only needed on pool daemons to make things better for miners...
159 2011-10-06 13:10:05 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: it can, albeit not as much
160 2011-10-06 13:10:35 <shadders> SIGUSR1 patch would be useful for solo miners but I've got my own arguments about that as a final main branch choice
161 2011-10-06 13:10:45 <kinlo> not all pools depend on JK to do the rebasing, there are plenty of pools out there that can rebase it themselves
162 2011-10-06 13:11:39 <luke-jr> kinlo: that's not the point :P
163 2011-10-06 13:11:44 <shadders> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/555#issuecomment-2308367
164 2011-10-06 13:11:54 <kinlo> but it would be a good thing if several parts are merged to the main client
165 2011-10-06 13:12:07 <luke-jr> shadders: signals are a lot easier to handle, and there's already a socket-based solution
166 2011-10-06 13:12:10 <kinlo> there are some things that are very clear that they are beneficial for everybody
167 2011-10-06 13:12:34 <shadders> what socket based solution?
168 2011-10-06 13:12:39 <kinlo> some other things might be more suspicious, I don't think the hubmode will end up in the stock bitcoind anytime soon
169 2011-10-06 13:12:58 <luke-jr> shadders: also, a SIGUSR1 from one bitcoind probably means PSJ needs to trash work from *all* of them until they're *all* on the new block
170 2011-10-06 13:13:56 <shadders> yes it does but it also needs to know when each daemon comes back into sync....
171 2011-10-06 13:14:04 <gavinandresen> I'm going to defer any decisions about optimizations or changes to getwork/mining/etc to jgarzik, who knows way more than I do about all that stuff.
172 2011-10-06 13:14:35 <gavinandresen> ... like I said, specialization is good....
173 2011-10-06 13:14:42 <luke-jr> kinlo: yeah, I didn't even bother submitting a pullreq for hubmode
174 2011-10-06 13:16:52 <shadders> and p2p is not a solution... implementing a half node (which is what I assume you mean) is far less trivial than listening for an rpc callback or a network socket poke
175 2011-10-06 13:17:01 <luke-jr> [11:12:46] <luke-jr> shadders: also, a SIGUSR1 from one bitcoind probably means PSJ needs to trash work from *all* of them until they're *all* on the new block
176 2011-10-06 13:17:08 <luke-jr> [11:12:52] <luke-jr> shadders: p2p protocol
177 2011-10-06 13:17:09 <luke-jr> [11:13:06] <luke-jr> kinlo: yeah, I didn't even bother submitting a pullreq for hubmode
178 2011-10-06 13:17:13 <kinlo> gavinandresen: well, some patches are only relevant for pool-owners, but have no influence on the regular users
179 2011-10-06 13:17:15 <kinlo> gavinandresen: in any case, many things have been very well tested by the pools, and proven to be stable and usefull
180 2011-10-06 13:17:18 <luke-jr> shadders: implementing a full HTTP server is a lot more work than a network socket poke ;p
181 2011-10-06 13:17:43 <gavinandresen> kinlo: great. I am not a pool owner and don't pay attention to the whole 'mining world' very much, so I can't judge that by myself
182 2011-10-06 13:17:50 <shadders> err.. not for a pool that's already listening for http...  and rpc callback was only a suggestion.. socket poke is simpler and my preferred solution.
183 2011-10-06 13:18:28 <shadders> btw... I don't sigusr1 is a bad idea... I just know if it gets pulled it will make it that much harder to get a superset solution pulled in the future...
184 2011-10-06 13:35:05 <kinlo> is Joel Katz on irc?
185 2011-10-06 13:36:52 <luke-jr> kinlo: never seen him
186 2011-10-06 13:37:11 <terrytibbs> kinlo: he prefers more "formal" ways of communication
187 2011-10-06 13:37:29 <kinlo> I'll have to become active in the community then :)
188 2011-10-06 13:38:06 <luke-jr> terrytibbs: never seen him on ML either
189 2011-10-06 13:38:16 <luke-jr> he should learn to make his own branches and pull reqs :P
190 2011-10-06 13:38:42 <terrytibbs> luke-jr: you sure about that?
191 2011-10-06 13:38:49 <terrytibbs> i'll have to take a look
192 2011-10-06 13:39:02 <kinlo> it's not because you don't speak that you don't lurk on the mailinglist :)
193 2011-10-06 13:39:51 <gjs278> ;;bc,stats
194 2011-10-06 13:39:55 <gribble> Current Blocks: 148319 | Current Difficulty: 1689334.4045971 | Next Difficulty At Block: 149183 | Next Difficulty In: 864 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 14 hours, 9 minutes, and 36 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1553388.86267949 | Estimated Percent Change: -8.04728427646
195 2011-10-06 15:56:44 <migrator> I'm having issues with rpcuser/rpcpassword. I created bitcoin.conf with those values, but running "bitcoind -rpcuser=test -rpcpassword=test help" only gives me a authorization failed. Any idea what I'm doing wrong.
196 2011-10-06 16:05:16 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * rf6287162432a gentoo/app-misc/cpuminer/ (Manifest cpuminer-9999.ebuild): Remove app-misc/cpuminer (superceded by app-misc/cgminer)
197 2011-10-06 16:06:14 <neofutur> luke-jr: cgminer is worst :p
198 2011-10-06 16:07:29 <neofutur> just try to use valgrind on cgminer
199 2011-10-06 16:07:58 <neofutur> https://github.com/ckolivas/cgminer/issues/27
200 2011-10-06 17:11:10 <CIA-101> bitcoin: Victor Leschuk master * rb95e637 / src/util.h : Fix for 64bit build - http://git.io/KAx4Zg
201 2011-10-06 17:29:11 <upb> -last bitcoin7
202 2011-10-06 17:29:13 <upb> oops
203 2011-10-06 19:40:20 <luke-jr> where might I find a hex dump of a complete block?
204 2011-10-06 19:56:54 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: blk001.dat
205 2011-10-06 19:57:07 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: it's stored on disk in on the wire format
206 2011-10-06 19:57:16 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: in sequence
207 2011-10-06 19:57:21 <luke-jr> :P
208 2011-10-06 19:57:35 <luke-jr> hmm, now I need to figure how to get from txn data to txid
209 2011-10-06 20:02:46 <osmosis> are the transactions part of a block hash, or can transactions be added to a block after the hash is solved?
210 2011-10-06 20:02:52 <luke-jr> got it
211 2011-10-06 20:03:05 <luke-jr> osmosis: no and no
212 2011-10-06 20:03:49 <osmosis> luke-jr, if they are not part of the hash, then why can they not be added after it is solved?
213 2011-10-06 20:04:05 <luke-jr> osmosis: they're linked to it via merkle tree
214 2011-10-06 20:04:19 <luke-jr> to change the block's txns, you change the bottom of the tree
215 2011-10-06 20:04:23 <luke-jr> which affects the top of the tree
216 2011-10-06 20:04:28 <luke-jr> which is in the header
217 2011-10-06 20:04:30 <luke-jr> which is hashed
218 2011-10-06 20:04:43 <osmosis> so the hash depends on the transactions because they are linked through the merkle tree
219 2011-10-06 20:05:31 <osmosis> ok, thx
220 2011-10-06 20:05:32 <luke-jr> osmosis: correct
221 2011-10-06 20:26:09 <wereHamster> so, I'm trying to run bitcoind under its own user account and with a custom data directory
222 2011-10-06 20:28:04 <terrytibbs> yes?
223 2011-10-06 20:28:24 <imsaguy> sounds good so far
224 2011-10-06 20:29:24 <terrytibbs> simply run it passing -datadir=<dir>
225 2011-10-06 20:30:15 <wereHamster> first of all, it doesn't like to be interrupted with sigint. I always have to use sigkill
226 2011-10-06 20:32:46 <sipa> it can take while to shut down
227 2011-10-06 20:37:07 <wereHamster> what is the default for rpcallowip ?
228 2011-10-06 20:38:23 <imsaguy> localhost
229 2011-10-06 20:38:57 <wereHamster> good
230 2011-10-06 21:02:25 <TuxBlackEdo> i just wanted to take some time to publicly thank gjs278, he saved my ass and I am forever thankful to him/her
231 2011-10-06 21:02:33 <TuxBlackEdo> probably him
232 2011-10-06 21:02:38 <TuxBlackEdo> or maybe her?
233 2011-10-06 21:02:41 <gjs278> I can confirm him
234 2011-10-06 21:02:41 <TuxBlackEdo> hehe
235 2011-10-06 21:03:04 <TuxBlackEdo> him it is! :)
236 2011-10-06 21:11:00 <luke-jr> TuxBlackEdo: females don't use IRC
237 2011-10-06 21:11:37 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: Sure they do.
238 2011-10-06 21:12:10 <gjs278> I can confirm that I've met females on irc
239 2011-10-06 21:12:21 <gjs278> but they were using it without knowing what it was, it was a chat applet on a website
240 2011-10-06 21:12:31 <gjs278> they were all anorexic
241 2011-10-06 21:33:34 <cuqa> lol gjs278
242 2011-10-06 21:33:38 <cuqa> girls on irc? rly?
243 2011-10-06 21:33:45 <gjs278> yeah, but they didn't know it was irc
244 2011-10-06 21:33:47 <gjs278> to them it was just a chatbox
245 2011-10-06 21:34:12 <cuqa> irc is not just a chatbox?
246 2011-10-06 21:34:20 <cuqa> thats why I never met someone for CS
247 2011-10-06 21:34:29 <cuqa> could have saved like 10 years of my life
248 2011-10-06 21:34:31 <cuqa> god damnit
249 2011-10-06 21:34:37 <lianj> IRC: where men are men, women are men and little girls are FBI agents
250 2011-10-06 21:34:44 <neofutur> I met my wife on orkut and irc
251 2011-10-06 21:34:50 <neofutur> got married 3 years later
252 2011-10-06 21:35:10 <cuqa> oh
253 2011-10-06 21:35:18 <neofutur> ;)
254 2011-10-06 21:35:24 <cuqa> u lucky
255 2011-10-06 21:35:36 <neofutur> and patient
256 2011-10-06 21:36:03 <cuqa> i wouldnt believe woman are on the internet
257 2011-10-06 21:36:19 <cuqa> started too early
258 2011-10-06 21:36:47 <neofutur> respect can help toom most girls hide it on IRC because there are too many sillykids
259 2011-10-06 21:37:21 <cuqa> i respect women
260 2011-10-06 21:37:52 <cuqa> query me with pics for more info
261 2011-10-06 21:38:09 <cuqa> ah, not funny
262 2011-10-06 21:38:49 <cuqa> i have heard simpsons might finally get shut down
263 2011-10-06 21:38:54 <cuqa> I would appreciate it
264 2011-10-06 22:15:17 <diki> I just looked up this blockexplorer called pi.uk and noticed that it actually shows the ip of the founder
265 2011-10-06 22:16:02 <diki> my question is: if a proxy was used, would the block(if found by you) would get anounced through the proxy?
266 2011-10-06 22:16:16 <diki> i.e i mean the intergrated proxy support in bitcoin
267 2011-10-06 22:16:48 <terrytibbs> all network connections get piped through the proxy, so i would assume the answer is yes
268 2011-10-06 22:25:12 <luke-jr> ;;bc,diff
269 2011-10-06 22:25:13 <gribble> 1689334.4045971
270 2011-10-06 22:55:06 <alexwaters> so when I build bitcoin QT in windows with qt creator, where does it put the bitcoin.exe? I can't find it after following the instructions from https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/doc/readme-qt.rst
271 2011-10-06 22:59:31 <alexwaters> nvm - found it. but now i'm getting a version error about 32/64 bit
272 2011-10-06 23:02:11 <Ukto> so I have bitcoind running, and set paytxfee=0    and verified this.  i create an address, assigned it an account name, sent it 1 btc..  7 confirms later, i try to use sendfrom() rpc, and get 500 internal server failure.  after looking into the debug logs it says a transaction fee is required
273 2011-10-06 23:02:27 <Ukto> am i missing something ?
274 2011-10-06 23:03:19 <iGlad> using 0.4?
275 2011-10-06 23:04:28 <Ukto> when the hell did that come out
276 2011-10-06 23:04:45 <Ukto> sigh
277 2011-10-06 23:04:49 <iGlad> i dont know but it sounds like it has a bug that makes people pay tx fees
278 2011-10-06 23:04:55 <iGlad> guess who won't be updating
279 2011-10-06 23:05:23 <Ukto> k, changing to 4.0
280 2011-10-06 23:05:31 <Ukto> but it should go, right?
281 2011-10-06 23:05:34 <Ukto> i'm not crazy?
282 2011-10-06 23:05:44 <Ukto> it just wont be preffered
283 2011-10-06 23:05:57 <iGlad> i never got a tx fee required using 0.3.24
284 2011-10-06 23:06:19 <Ukto> i was using 3.24 daemon
285 2011-10-06 23:06:41 <iGlad> maybe you hit an edge case then
286 2011-10-06 23:06:48 <Ukto> either way, updating first
287 2011-10-06 23:07:16 <gmaxwell> Ukto: there isn't any change in that software in .4
288 2011-10-06 23:07:17 <Two1One2> Ukto: let the coins sit in the wallet for a while, the fee is computed from (sum*age)/size
289 2011-10-06 23:07:47 <iGlad> nice thankyou for clarifying - all my coins are old
290 2011-10-06 23:07:55 <Ukto> but shouldnt i be able to send regardless?
291 2011-10-06 23:07:59 <Ukto> 7 confs
292 2011-10-06 23:08:02 <gmaxwell> The reason for this is because your trying to create a txn with very low priority, it will look like a dos attack to the network. If you let the input age a bit (144 blocks per bitcoin of input) it won't want a fee.
293 2011-10-06 23:08:15 <Ukto> hm
294 2011-10-06 23:08:25 <gmaxwell> Ukto: no you should not, your txn will get stuck and your bitcoins will be lost without hexediting your wallet.
295 2011-10-06 23:08:36 <gmaxwell> The fee it wants, btw is 0.0005 btc.
296 2011-10-06 23:08:49 <luke-jr> Ukto: there is no way to force a lower tx fee with bitcoind
297 2011-10-06 23:16:57 <Ukto> so to be able to send, i have to set paytxfee = 1
298 2011-10-06 23:17:02 <Ukto> no matter what
299 2011-10-06 23:17:04 <Ukto> rather
300 2011-10-06 23:17:13 <Ukto> if there are lots of sends
301 2011-10-06 23:17:20 <gmaxwell> No.
302 2011-10-06 23:17:29 <Ukto> sendfrom doesnt have a fee option that i saw
303 2011-10-06 23:17:35 <gmaxwell> The reason you're being rejected is because you don't have the funds to pay any fee.
304 2011-10-06 23:17:41 <Ukto> ahhh'
305 2011-10-06 23:17:59 <gmaxwell> If you actually had enough balance to pay a fee it just would have done it without asking. (The GUI asks, but the RPC interface doesn't have a way to do that)
306 2011-10-06 23:18:12 <Ukto> even if paytxfee = 0 ?
307 2011-10-06 23:18:15 <gmaxwell> Yes.
308 2011-10-06 23:18:22 <Ukto> whats the point of paytxfee ?
309 2011-10-06 23:18:29 <gmaxwell> Once you have a wallet with many aged inputs you'll probably never pay a fee.
310 2011-10-06 23:18:30 <Ukto> just gui ?
311 2011-10-06 23:18:43 <gmaxwell> To set a fee that always gets paid in order to give your transactions higher priority.
312 2011-10-06 23:18:51 <Ukto> alright
313 2011-10-06 23:18:55 <Ukto> that makes a ton more sense
314 2011-10-06 23:19:23 <Ukto> however, when using sendfrom, each 'account' has to have enough aged inputs
315 2011-10-06 23:19:24 <Ukto> right?
316 2011-10-06 23:19:37 <gmaxwell> But all this means that if you're tracking your balance externally you may end up with small difference between what bitcoin thinks and what your software things.
317 2011-10-06 23:19:40 <gmaxwell> Ukto: No.
318 2011-10-06 23:19:54 <gmaxwell> Sendfrom does _not_ do what you're thinking its doing.
319 2011-10-06 23:20:22 <gmaxwell> Sendfrom is just bookkeeping. It doesn't have anything to do with the inputs, which all still go into a big bucket. Thats why it's perfectly possible to draw an account negative.
320 2011-10-06 23:20:26 <Ukto> sorry, 2 days no sleep heh
321 2011-10-06 23:20:52 <Ukto> ahhhhhhhh
322 2011-10-06 23:20:54 <Ukto> your right
323 2011-10-06 23:20:56 <Ukto> i didnt think about it that way
324 2011-10-06 23:21:10 <Ukto> coffee doesnt help after a certin point :P
325 2011-10-06 23:21:16 <gmaxwell> Sleep does!
326 2011-10-06 23:21:19 <Ukto> hehe
327 2011-10-06 23:21:30 <Ukto> gmaxwell: msgs btw
328 2011-10-06 23:27:27 <theymos> OP_EVAL looks very promising. It looks like Gavin wants to fast-track it, too.
329 2011-10-06 23:28:00 <gmaxwell> <3 OP_EVAL
330 2011-10-06 23:28:21 <gmaxwell> Also <3 key recovery and I hope we get that too. :)
331 2011-10-06 23:30:40 <theymos> What's key recovery?
332 2011-10-06 23:36:36 <gmaxwell> theymos: makes the transactions spending payments to addresses much smaller.
333 2011-10-06 23:36:46 <gmaxwell> Because you recover the public key from the signature.
334 2011-10-06 23:37:19 <theymos> Ah, interesting.
335 2011-10-06 23:42:31 <alexwaters> can anyone give me an approximation on the lines of code in bitcoin core?
336 2011-10-06 23:45:06 <theymos> About 25,000 in 0.3.19.
337 2011-10-06 23:45:22 <Two1One2> alexwaters: 27076 lines total
338 2011-10-06 23:48:11 <alexwaters> thank you
339 2011-10-06 23:50:10 <gmaxwell> It would be useful to break that into GUI and all else... but the source isn't seperated enough to make that easy.
340 2011-10-06 23:50:15 <gmaxwell> A lot of the bitcoin code is gui though.
341 2011-10-06 23:51:07 <alexwaters> gmaxwell: good to know, thank you