1 2011-10-18 00:27:19 <osmosis> im interested in building some munin plugins,  bitcoind doesnt have much data for me to poll though.
  2 2011-10-18 03:16:31 <ThomasV> what does it mean, in terms of dl time, to work with block headers only?
  3 2011-10-18 03:37:06 <wumpus> midnightmagic: it finished exporting and compressing,  and is 1.6GB now uploading it
  4 2011-10-18 07:14:17 <AlexWaters> can anyone point me to the leading FOSS bitcoin payment processing repo? is there one?
  5 2011-10-18 07:27:36 <sneak> hi guys
  6 2011-10-18 07:30:15 <jeremias> hi
  7 2011-10-18 13:57:32 <snimpy> ;;bc,slushpool
  8 2011-10-18 13:57:34 <gribble> 1356884000
  9 2011-10-18 13:57:55 <snimpy> ;;bc,spotestimate
 10 2011-10-18 13:57:56 <gribble> 1213470.27478
 11 2011-10-18 13:58:24 <snimpy> ;;bc,diffchange
 12 2011-10-18 13:58:26 <gribble> Estimated percent change in difficulty this period | -10.2786976379 % based on data since last change | -17.3495399671 % based on data for last three days
 13 2011-10-18 13:59:13 <gribble> 7488800.00000000
 14 2011-10-18 13:59:13 <snimpy> ;;bc,totalbc
 15 2011-10-18 13:59:36 <snimpy> exit
 16 2011-10-18 14:13:53 <SomeoneWeird> Anyone here good with iptables?
 17 2011-10-18 14:14:16 <BlueMatt> kinda random chan, but shoot
 18 2011-10-18 14:14:57 <SomeoneWeird> yeah i've asked everyone else though :(
 19 2011-10-18 14:15:22 <SomeoneWeird> Basically im just trying to forward packets to another host.
 20 2011-10-18 14:15:26 <SomeoneWeird> on certain ports.
 21 2011-10-18 14:15:45 <BlueMatt> -j REDIRECT?
 22 2011-10-18 14:15:49 <BlueMatt> iirc
 23 2011-10-18 14:15:49 <SomeoneWeird> i've tried googling for the last couple hours and havn't found anything thats worked and it's annoting
 24 2011-10-18 14:16:10 <BlueMatt> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-port-redirection-with-iptables/
 25 2011-10-18 14:16:12 <SomeoneWeird> yeah but ive like never used iptables before so i dont know the rest of the args lol
 26 2011-10-18 14:16:47 <BlueMatt> a. do you have nat table, ie iptables -t nat -L
 27 2011-10-18 14:16:49 <SomeoneWeird> thats internal routing
 28 2011-10-18 14:16:52 <BlueMatt> do you get an error?
 29 2011-10-18 14:17:11 <SomeoneWeird> nope
 30 2011-10-18 14:17:21 <SomeoneWeird> it has the last 2 rules i added
 31 2011-10-18 14:17:39 <BlueMatt> need more info...
 32 2011-10-18 14:17:57 <SomeoneWeird> liiike? sorry >.<
 33 2011-10-18 14:18:01 <BlueMatt> where from, where to, what have you tried, whats the result?
 34 2011-10-18 14:18:05 <SomeoneWeird> right
 35 2011-10-18 14:18:23 <SomeoneWeird> port 80 just say
 36 2011-10-18 14:18:26 <SomeoneWeird> from 192.168.0.22
 37 2011-10-18 14:18:30 <SomeoneWeird> to 192.168.0.21
 38 2011-10-18 14:18:38 <SomeoneWeird> i've tried the examples from
 39 2011-10-18 14:18:39 <SomeoneWeird> http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/73
 40 2011-10-18 14:18:42 <SomeoneWeird> http://debianclusters.org/index.php/NAT_with_IPTables
 41 2011-10-18 14:19:10 <SomeoneWeird> and a couple more, but they all make it timeout
 42 2011-10-18 14:19:50 <BlueMatt> have you opened up wireshark/tcpdump to take a look, likely need to MASQUERADE and ip_forward as well?>
 43 2011-10-18 14:20:09 <SomeoneWeird> done ip_forward, whats the masquerade?
 44 2011-10-18 14:20:12 <BlueMatt> likely passing packets properly, but not getting them back right
 45 2011-10-18 14:20:26 <BlueMatt> ie when you pass a packet, 192.168.0.21 passes directly back to src
 46 2011-10-18 14:20:34 <BlueMatt> which confuses the src and results in no connection
 47 2011-10-18 14:20:38 <SomeoneWeird> ah
 48 2011-10-18 14:21:37 <BlueMatt> but you should open up wireshark/tcpdump to be sure
 49 2011-10-18 14:21:43 <ThomasV> is a python version of deterministic wallet generation available?
 50 2011-10-18 14:23:06 <gmaxwell> I'd caution against the "deterministic wallet" code thats on the forums.. it uses novel cryptographic functions which are almost certantly insecure.
 51 2011-10-18 14:23:23 <gmaxwell> (not thats thats helpful to you&)
 52 2011-10-18 14:23:48 <ThomasV> which code?
 53 2011-10-18 14:24:12 <gmaxwell> The ... one with the novel crypto. Of course. ;)
 54 2011-10-18 14:24:16 <SomeoneWeird> lol
 55 2011-10-18 14:24:34 <gmaxwell> I dunno, it was horrible enough I blotted out the memory.
 56 2011-10-18 14:24:45 <ThomasV> was it C, java ?
 57 2011-10-18 14:24:51 <ThomasV> C#*
 58 2011-10-18 14:24:59 <ThomasV> err, C#
 59 2011-10-18 14:25:39 <ThomasV> or javascript ?
 60 2011-10-18 14:25:58 <midnightmagic> aaargh one-character ellipses
 61 2011-10-18 14:26:20 <ThomasV> the only list I have is thhis one: http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/718/what-is-a-deterministic-wallet
 62 2011-10-18 14:26:54 <luke-jr> if I'm logging panics/oops to a mtd partition, is it safe to wipe that partition? :P
 63 2011-10-18 14:28:55 <ThomasV> gmaxwell: ^^
 64 2011-10-18 15:06:17 <CIA-101> bitcoinj: miron@google.com * r240 /trunk/src/com/google/bitcoin/core/ (Block.java Message.java): Fix length and parseLazy handling. Resolves issue 92
 65 2011-10-18 15:57:27 <cosurgi> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=48889.0
 66 2011-10-18 16:02:33 <Eliel> cosurgi: as I understood it, BTCGuild has several minipools that run like separate pools (maybe old info?). I was wondering if it would make any sense to see what the results would come up as if you treated those separately.
 67 2011-10-18 16:04:20 <cosurgi> But I would need statistics for that
 68 2011-10-18 16:04:40 <cosurgi> is there separate stats for sub-pools, somewhere?
 69 2011-10-18 16:21:04 <hippich> hi. could someone explain what "Generation" means here? http://blockexplorer.com/address/14igy7qHESq2uTy7xBZ2hf7aBt2i2m8xic
 70 2011-10-18 16:21:18 <sipa> creation of new coins
 71 2011-10-18 16:21:30 <sipa> the first transaction in each block is allowed to do so
 72 2011-10-18 16:21:46 <hippich> but i thought it can create 50 coins?
 73 2011-10-18 16:21:55 <hippich> and in this case i see 0.34198512
 74 2011-10-18 16:22:19 <sipa> it is still a normal transaction that can have numerous outputs
 75 2011-10-18 16:22:36 <sipa> you see only one output here
 76 2011-10-18 16:22:52 <hippich> ah..
 77 2011-10-18 16:22:53 <hippich> got it.
 78 2011-10-18 16:24:08 <hippich> i just used to 50 coins being sent to single address.
 79 2011-10-18 16:24:10 <hippich> thanx
 80 2011-10-18 16:25:16 <sipa> it doesn't even need to be 50
 81 2011-10-18 16:25:23 <sipa> it could be more, by collecting fees
 82 2011-10-18 16:26:08 <sipa> and it could be less, as it doesn't need to collect the maximum allowed amount
 83 2011-10-18 17:26:13 <gmaxwell> I wonder if it would be possible to get the bitcoincharts graphs to y origin on zero. The current behavior is a bit deceptive... making it look like bitcoin has lost ALLTHEVALUE whenever we're at a new recent low.
 84 2011-10-18 17:27:11 <ThomasV> gmaxwell: bitcoin is dead. I read it on the internet
 85 2011-10-18 17:27:53 <makomk> gmaxwell: presumably it was misleading in the opposite direction when Bitcoin's value was increasing.
 86 2011-10-18 17:29:03 <gmaxwell> makomk: Indeed. Though "went from nothing to lots" is perhaps less deceptive since it's actually true if you look back far enough.
 87 2011-10-18 17:29:43 <jeremias> bitcoin is dead, long live bitcoin
 88 2011-10-18 17:29:48 <jeremias> nothing to see here, move along
 89 2011-10-18 17:30:09 <gmaxwell> s/recently//
 90 2011-10-18 17:31:38 <gjs278> but then there is still a space after commented and the period
 91 2011-10-18 17:32:25 <gmaxwell> s/gjs278//g
 92 2011-10-18 17:32:47 <gjs278> everythng is turning white
 93 2011-10-18 17:34:51 <ThomasV> lol
 94 2011-10-18 17:36:48 <sipa> lol
 95 2011-10-18 17:39:43 <osmosis> jeremias, amazing how dead bitcoin can get
 96 2011-10-18 17:40:09 <DrHaribo> just a minor correction
 97 2011-10-18 17:41:05 <vorlov> hey
 98 2011-10-18 17:41:12 <vorlov> does anyone know if i can get a hold of someone from MTGox?
 99 2011-10-18 17:41:17 <vorlov> im missing liek 1000 dollars in my account
100 2011-10-18 17:41:32 <grubles> #mtgox
101 2011-10-18 17:41:35 <neofutur> vorlov: https://mtgox.zendesk.com/entries/20248423-transaction-inquiries
102 2011-10-18 18:22:02 <Eliel> ... this is rather interesting http://www.scribd.com/doc/69305472/rsa-coin
103 2011-10-18 18:22:11 <Eliel> too bad it's pretty low on details.
104 2011-10-18 18:23:08 <Eliel> but if they manage to make that work as they advertise, it has the potential to replace bitcoin.
105 2011-10-18 18:23:53 <rjk2> how do you knwo that isn't already being done with SHA256 and Bitcoin?
106 2011-10-18 18:24:52 <Eliel> well, until I figure out what kind of an algorithm they're planning to use, exactly, I'll have to remain doubtful :)
107 2011-10-18 18:24:56 <ThomasV> it's extremely short
108 2011-10-18 18:25:21 <Eliel> but if that's something more than just hot air, it has definite potential
109 2011-10-18 18:25:31 <sipa> who?
110 2011-10-18 18:27:06 <ThomasV> honestly, it looks like hot air
111 2011-10-18 18:30:58 <gmaxwell> ugh. the most efficient factoring is way way better than brute force but also isn't quite embarassingly parallel.
112 2011-10-18 18:31:01 <Eliel> also, the use of prefix-hash-tree looks suspect...
113 2011-10-18 18:32:06 <Eliel> mainly as in, how to achieve double spend resistance through that.
114 2011-10-18 18:33:06 <ThomasV> oh it means that you can only spend your coins at addresses that are on the same branch of the tree :-)
115 2011-10-18 18:42:07 <helo> what kinds of problems are there that wouldn't benefit greatly from a GPU or ASIC/FPIC implementation?
116 2011-10-18 18:42:55 <copumpkin> typechecking on nontrivial type systems :)
117 2011-10-18 18:43:04 <Eliel> :D
118 2011-10-18 18:43:11 <nathan7> helo: problems solved by shitty algorithms
119 2011-10-18 18:43:36 <copumpkin> I wouldn't say that
120 2011-10-18 18:43:51 <copumpkin> I'd say problems that don't have easily extractable substructure :P
121 2011-10-18 18:44:01 <copumpkin> stuff where a lot of stuff depends on a lot of other stuff
122 2011-10-18 18:44:11 <copumpkin> if you know the stuff I'm talking about
123 2011-10-18 18:44:15 <copumpkin> (can you tell I like stuff?)
124 2011-10-18 18:44:25 <helo> heh
125 2011-10-18 18:45:26 <tcatm> it looks like aptitude has trouble resolving dependencies on my system so that could be an option, too ;)
126 2011-10-18 18:45:49 <copumpkin> yeah, take SAT solving :P
127 2011-10-18 18:45:56 <copumpkin> or more interestingly, SMT
128 2011-10-18 18:46:37 <copumpkin> well, you could do naive SAT solving massively in parallel, but it'd probably still lose out to a smart SAT solver on common problems
129 2011-10-18 18:57:40 <Ken`> 8)
130 2011-10-18 19:12:53 <whiteman> Is there a gist somewhere for a working 0.4.0 or 0.5.0 gitian? All I'm finding is the 0.3.x versions.
131 2011-10-18 19:14:52 <whiteman> Right now https://gitian.org/ has a link to https://gist.github.com/806265, which appears to be the most recent update, dated May 27, 2011.
132 2011-10-18 19:15:28 <BlueMatt> whiteman: that shoule work if you update the commit and maybe the versions of input libs
133 2011-10-18 19:15:37 <BlueMatt> whiteman: take a look at the contrib dir in the bitcoin src
134 2011-10-18 19:15:46 <BlueMatt> specifically contrib/gitian-descriptors
135 2011-10-18 19:15:56 <whiteman> Ok
136 2011-10-18 19:17:27 <devrandom> whiteman: you will also need a 64 bit machine with VT instruction support to run kvm
137 2011-10-18 19:18:03 <BlueMatt> (and ubuntu)
138 2011-10-18 19:18:24 <devrandom> debian might work too
139 2011-10-18 19:19:10 <whiteman> I'm trying to run the 806265 gist on a Ubuntu Server 11.10 64-bit virtual machine. Looks like it's running, although it's slow as piss right now.
140 2011-10-18 19:19:46 <BlueMatt> yea, if you are running without vt support it takes hours and hours to build
141 2011-10-18 19:19:51 <BlueMatt> (ie in a vm)
142 2011-10-18 19:19:57 <BlueMatt> you should run it on a physical box
143 2011-10-18 19:21:16 <whiteman> Don't have a dedicated physical at the moment.
144 2011-10-18 19:21:35 <BlueMatt> well it should run, but dont expect it to finish within the next day...
145 2011-10-18 19:21:50 <lianj> vms without vt should be called ems :D
146 2011-10-18 19:22:48 <whiteman> It's getting there...
147 2011-10-18 19:22:51 <BlueMatt> anything except qemu vms without vt work fine
148 2011-10-18 19:22:56 <BlueMatt> qemu...not so much
149 2011-10-18 19:23:07 <BlueMatt> but eg vmware, virtualbox, etc work fine without vt-x/amd-v
150 2011-10-18 19:23:19 <lianj> work fine as in run fast enough?
151 2011-10-18 19:23:21 <whiteman> 'bin/make-base-vm --arch i386' took about 20 minutes or so, but it finished
152 2011-10-18 19:23:24 <BlueMatt> yea, run quite fast
153 2011-10-18 19:23:33 <BlueMatt> whiteman: oh just wait till you do the actual building...
154 2011-10-18 19:23:49 <BlueMatt> lianj: qemu just does software virtualization wrong
155 2011-10-18 19:25:00 <BlueMatt> sounds like a good idea...
156 2011-10-18 19:25:08 <lianj> helo: heh, i used to do that too. now i got enough arm hardware
157 2011-10-18 19:31:29 <helo> i was recently able to set up a competent debian pdebuild chroot that has replaced the qemu-arm nonsense :)
158 2011-10-18 19:32:44 <whiteman> What the hell... this thing is goes slow as shit and it's only using 1% of my CPU.
159 2011-10-18 19:33:20 <helo> check atop?
160 2011-10-18 19:35:48 <ThomasV> gavinandresen: in bitcointools you copied some bits from python-ecdsa ; why didn't you import it? did you try to reduce dependencies, or is there another reason for not importing it?
161 2011-10-18 19:36:05 <gavinandresen> I did?  what bits?
162 2011-10-18 19:36:23 <ThomasV> the curves and generators
163 2011-10-18 19:36:33 <gavinandresen> Not me... you must be looking at another fork
164 2011-10-18 19:36:52 <ThomasV> oh right that's joric's version
165 2011-10-18 20:03:14 <ThomasV> I really need to learn how github works
166 2011-10-18 20:22:12 <whiteman> I'm getting a file not found for the wx and miniupnp zips. They are in the gitian-builder/input directory. Has the path changed to something new?
167 2011-10-18 20:24:26 <whiteman> I think I've almost got this crap working.
168 2011-10-18 20:27:14 <whiteman> Oh wtf
169 2011-10-18 20:27:26 <whiteman> it wants zip and I got tar.gz
170 2011-10-18 20:27:31 <whiteman> That'll do it
171 2011-10-18 20:41:58 <qscgy> hi everyone
172 2011-10-18 20:42:06 <qscgy> how is BOOST_FOREACH implemented
173 2011-10-18 20:51:29 <whiteman> I've had enough for the day. This thing is driving me fucking crazy.
174 2011-10-18 20:52:10 <sipa> whiteman: use the github head
175 2011-10-18 20:52:24 <sipa> if you're compiling from source anyway
176 2011-10-18 21:01:08 <whiteman> sipa: I was trying to.
177 2011-10-18 21:01:22 <sipa> then you shouldn't bother with wx
178 2011-10-18 21:03:40 <whiteman> I'm not an expert with Git yet. When you say the github head, you're talking about Refs/heads/master, right?
179 2011-10-18 21:05:33 <whiteman> I've been digging for gitian instructions for hours. contrib/gitian-descriptors/*.yaml still has lots of refs to wx.
180 2011-10-18 21:06:03 <Diablo-D3> yes, when someone says HEAD they mean HEAD
181 2011-10-18 21:07:15 <whiteman> contrip/gitian-downloader/linux-download-config doesn't appear to work anymore
182 2011-10-18 21:07:42 <sipa> do you really want the gitian build, or just compile the source code?
183 2011-10-18 21:09:19 <whiteman> I thought gitian was supposed to be the way to do it.
184 2011-10-18 21:10:56 <sipa> no, no
185 2011-10-18 21:11:06 <sipa> gitian is for when you want to recreate the official binaries
186 2011-10-18 21:11:10 <sipa> byte-for-byte
187 2011-10-18 21:11:14 <sipa> so they can be verified
188 2011-10-18 21:12:03 <sipa> if you want to build bitcoin-qt from source under linux: git clone git://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin; cd bitcoin; qmake; make; ./bitcoin-qt
189 2011-10-18 21:12:19 <sipa> (or read the build instructions)
190 2011-10-18 21:16:43 <whiteman> That certainly seems a lot more simple.
191 2011-10-18 21:16:45 <whiteman> Why wouldn't I want to recreate the official binaries though? Why not just use that as the base build method so everyone is on the same page?
192 2011-10-18 21:16:56 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,mtgox
193 2011-10-18 21:16:57 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":2.9,"low":2.31,"avg":2.627975437,"vwap":2.620255331,"vol":88088,"last_all":2.44,"last_local":2.44,"last":2.44,"buy":2.42,"sell":2.44}}
194 2011-10-18 21:17:02 <Diablo-D3> wow its really dropping
195 2011-10-18 21:31:01 <BlueMatt> whiteman: because atm the builds for bitcoin-qt arent deterministic so you wont get anything identical to others anyway
196 2011-10-18 21:41:22 <sipa> whiteman: gitian uses a virtual machine, built from scratch, with all dependencies recompiled inside
197 2011-10-18 21:41:27 <sipa> that takes a very long time
198 2011-10-18 21:43:02 <whiteman> I'm just trying the normal make now
199 2011-10-18 21:43:19 <whiteman> Anyone know what Ubuntu package contains openssl/buffer.h?
200 2011-10-18 21:43:36 <phantomcircuit> openssl-dev
201 2011-10-18 21:43:37 <sipa> libssl-dev
202 2011-10-18 21:43:40 <phantomcircuit> damn
203 2011-10-18 21:43:43 <phantomcircuit> swing and a miss
204 2011-10-18 21:44:39 <whiteman> ah, libssl-dev
205 2011-10-18 21:45:00 <whiteman> phantomcircuit: yeah I was searching for openssl-dev also
206 2011-10-18 21:45:47 <sipa> don't the build instructions say which dependencies to install in ubuntu?
207 2011-10-18 21:46:33 <whiteman> It says libssl, but the missing file was openssl.
208 2011-10-18 21:46:55 <whiteman> What I'm trying to do is put together a base set of commands to build bitcoin from a fresh Ubuntu 11.10 install.
209 2011-10-18 21:47:27 <whiteman> Just copy, paste, and it's built
210 2011-10-18 21:47:50 <lianj> heh, it removes ubuntu and installs archlinux first
211 2011-10-18 21:49:10 <whiteman> Oh crap the apt-get commands are a page down from what I'm reading.
212 2011-10-18 22:16:23 <alexwaters> anyone else having issues building after upgrading to Ubuntu ocelot?
213 2011-10-18 22:17:13 <neofutur> alexwaters: whats the error message ?
214 2011-10-18 22:19:06 <alexwaters> hmm, i close the VM and deleted it - i'll try it again in a little bit and post the issue to the issue tracker. I clicked a button to delete some files during the install, and I want to see if this is the reason. It was giving an error with stream.io - sorry I don't remember the exact message
215 2011-10-18 22:19:19 <alexwaters> it seemed like a missing dependency issue
216 2011-10-18 22:19:42 <alexwaters> so I think the upgrade from natty modifies or removes one or some of the deps