1 2012-02-14 00:54:33 <LMLeverage> hey quick question if anyone has a sec
  2 2012-02-14 00:54:43 <LMLeverage> I'm trying to find my private key and it seems to have disappeared from my wallet.dat file
  3 2012-02-14 00:54:51 <LMLeverage> running bitcoin-qt on a mac
  4 2012-02-14 00:55:23 <LMLeverage> dumped the file with pywallet, but still nothing related to the hex or base64 key... just my default public key and some random pool data
  5 2012-02-14 01:04:44 <BlueMatt> a. is your wallet encrypted?
  6 2012-02-14 01:05:01 <BlueMatt> b. Im not familiar with pywallet's output format, what does bitcointools show you?
  7 2012-02-14 01:05:29 <BlueMatt> or, does pywallet usually show privkeys in its dump?
  8 2012-02-14 01:06:47 <BlueMatt> LMLeverage: ^
  9 2012-02-14 01:07:07 <LMLeverage> yes the wallet is encrypted
 10 2012-02-14 01:07:11 <BlueMatt> also, is bitcoin allowing you to spend from the privkey?
 11 2012-02-14 01:07:18 <LMLeverage> and pywallet usually does show private keys as hex
 12 2012-02-14 01:07:36 <LMLeverage> it's still "synchronizing with network"
 13 2012-02-14 01:07:48 <LMLeverage> I've verified the transaction though and confirmed I should have 52BTC, just waiting for the client to register
 14 2012-02-14 01:09:08 <LMLeverage> I assumed it might be an issue due to the encryption, but I can't seem to find a way to decrypt the wallet using bitcoin-qt
 15 2012-02-14 01:09:50 <BlueMatt> I dont think you can do it manually, unless you are sending coins
 16 2012-02-14 01:09:55 <BlueMatt> though you can via RPC
 17 2012-02-14 01:10:39 <LMLeverage> not quite sure I understand--are you saying that I have to simulate a transaction to force decryption, then dump it from memory?
 18 2012-02-14 01:11:30 <BlueMatt> the only way to make bitcoin-qt decrypt the wallet is to make a transaction
 19 2012-02-14 01:12:08 <BlueMatt> but there is no way to drop a transaction from the wallet after it has been created (unless you make sure bitcoin-qt is not connected to the network, create the tx, stop bitcoin-qt, use bitcointools/pywallet/etc to remove the tx, the restart bitcoin-qt)
 20 2012-02-14 01:12:32 <LMLeverage> and assuming my client still shows me as having 0.00 BTC?
 21 2012-02-14 01:12:59 <BlueMatt> then you wait until it thinks you have more ;)
 22 2012-02-14 01:13:03 <LMLeverage> it's taking an insanely long time to sync the block chain despite port forwarding and killing all other traffic on the network
 23 2012-02-14 01:13:06 <LMLeverage> been 3 days already
 24 2012-02-14 01:13:11 <LMLeverage> less than 25%
 25 2012-02-14 01:13:34 <BlueMatt> chain sync has little to do with your network speed
 26 2012-02-14 01:13:38 <BlueMatt> its mostly hdd speed
 27 2012-02-14 01:13:46 <BlueMatt> (and some cpu)
 28 2012-02-14 01:13:50 <BlueMatt> you are using 0.5.3, right?
 29 2012-02-14 01:13:53 <BlueMatt> s/.3/.2/
 30 2012-02-14 01:14:01 <LMLeverage> hmm that doesn't make sense given I'm running an i7 quad core & 750GB SSD
 31 2012-02-14 01:14:11 <BlueMatt> no, that doesnt
 32 2012-02-14 01:14:11 <LMLeverage> 0.5.2-beta
 33 2012-02-14 01:14:16 <BlueMatt> yea...
 34 2012-02-14 01:14:33 <BlueMatt> what kind of cpu/disk usage is bitcoin doing?
 35 2012-02-14 01:14:43 <olp> my client syncs in like 5 hours. Good?
 36 2012-02-14 01:15:09 <LMLeverage> ~10-15% CPU with occasional spikes to 60-80%
 37 2012-02-14 01:15:11 <LMLeverage> 10 threads
 38 2012-02-14 01:15:18 <LMLeverage> 116mb ram
 39 2012-02-14 01:15:21 <BlueMatt> sounds right, what about disk usage?
 40 2012-02-14 01:15:22 <LMLeverage> not sure about disk access
 41 2012-02-14 01:15:34 <BlueMatt> also, how much free mem do you have (ie that the os will use as disk cache)?
 42 2012-02-14 01:16:06 <BlueMatt> 10-15% as in 10-15% of a core, or of all 8 cores?
 43 2012-02-14 01:16:09 <gmaxwell> I'd assume sync being that slow is sign of a failing disk really.
 44 2012-02-14 01:16:12 <LMLeverage> 5GB RAM free
 45 2012-02-14 01:16:16 <gmaxwell> or a broken filesystem
 46 2012-02-14 01:16:18 <LMLeverage> 7.9 active
 47 2012-02-14 01:16:20 <LMLeverage> shit
 48 2012-02-14 01:16:30 <BlueMatt> what os?
 49 2012-02-14 01:16:39 <LMLeverage> and I'm not sure BlueMatt, that's the number I'm getting from Activity Monitor
 50 2012-02-14 01:16:40 <LMLeverage> Lion
 51 2012-02-14 01:16:41 <BlueMatt> also, what kind of free space on the ssd?
 52 2012-02-14 01:16:47 <LMLeverage> 170GB
 53 2012-02-14 01:16:52 <BlueMatt> damn...
 54 2012-02-14 01:16:56 <gmaxwell> oh ssd.. some ssds have stupidly slow writes..
 55 2012-02-14 01:16:59 <gmaxwell> like 100kb/s.
 56 2012-02-14 01:17:16 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: no recent ssds?
 57 2012-02-14 01:17:31 <LMLeverage> ok it's been running at 113% CPU now for the past 30 seconds
 58 2012-02-14 01:17:43 <gmaxwell> Even recent ones. If you're not careful shopping you can get something that looks like a usbstick with a SATA interface. :)
 59 2012-02-14 01:18:03 <gmaxwell> though even that isn't consistent with 25%... IIRC it slows down later than that.
 60 2012-02-14 01:18:19 <LMLeverage> is 0.5.3 released?
 61 2012-02-14 01:18:35 <BlueMatt> no
 62 2012-02-14 01:18:37 <gmaxwell> 25% is 41k.. there weren't any txn there.
 63 2012-02-14 01:18:57 <BlueMatt> what block count do you see when you hover over the bottom right icons?
 64 2012-02-14 01:18:57 <gmaxwell> LMLeverage: can you look at your debug.log and see if there is anything interesting in there?
 65 2012-02-14 01:19:08 <gmaxwell> oh good call. estimate might be off.
 66 2012-02-14 01:19:28 <BlueMatt> well, that plus its 25% since last start
 67 2012-02-14 01:19:28 <LMLeverage> anything in particular I should be looking for?
 68 2012-02-14 01:19:49 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt: oh 25% since last restart.. thats less crazy then.
 69 2012-02-14 01:20:17 <gmaxwell> LMLeverage: first do the mouseover. As far as the log... usually bad things are pretty obvious.
 70 2012-02-14 01:20:55 <LMLeverage> downloaded 141073
 71 2012-02-14 01:21:15 <LMLeverage> as for the log, I've got a lot of intermittent ERRORs like this:
 72 2012-02-14 01:21:20 <LMLeverage> ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 89cd3a2bdc mapTransactions prev not found fedf104e90
 73 2012-02-14 01:21:21 <LMLeverage> ERROR: AcceptToMemoryPool() : ConnectInputs failed 89cd3a2bdc
 74 2012-02-14 01:21:40 <gmaxwell> Ok, thouse are usual while you're syncing
 75 2012-02-14 01:21:46 <BlueMatt> ;;bc,blocks
 76 2012-02-14 01:21:46 <gribble> 166705
 77 2012-02-14 01:22:06 <BlueMatt> well youre a whole lot further than 25%
 78 2012-02-14 01:22:22 <BlueMatt> but only getting 25% of the way in 24 hours...
 79 2012-02-14 01:22:27 <LMLeverage> hmm not according to the progress bar
 80 2012-02-14 01:22:29 <gmaxwell> yea. 84%
 81 2012-02-14 01:22:44 <gmaxwell> LMLeverage: It's confusing it's telling you how much you've gone from where you started to the top.
 82 2012-02-14 01:22:44 <LMLeverage> and also that number seems to be increasing extremely slowly--around 2/minute
 83 2012-02-14 01:22:53 <LMLeverage> ahh
 84 2012-02-14 01:22:59 <BlueMatt> yea, 2/minute is broken
 85 2012-02-14 01:23:03 <gmaxwell> LMLeverage: the next version of bitcoin switches back to the absolute percentage.
 86 2012-02-14 01:23:11 <LMLeverage> excellent
 87 2012-02-14 01:24:02 <LMLeverage> thanks for the help guys, guess I just wait for this thing to finish syncing
 88 2012-02-14 01:24:26 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt: think we should ask him to turn on logtimestamps=1 and restart to get some actual timings?
 89 2012-02-14 01:24:27 <BlueMatt> ooo, osx has iotop installed by default
 90 2012-02-14 01:24:41 <BlueMatt> LMLeverage: what does iotop show you (when run in terminal)?
 91 2012-02-14 01:24:51 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt: I'm curious if its the validation thats slow or if he's managing to pull from a peer on the moon.
 92 2012-02-14 01:25:56 <BlueMatt> that could be useful too, LMLeverage if you feel like helping us debug your slow connection, open terminal, drag the bitcoin-qt app bundle onto terminal (it should paste the path to the bundle into the terminal window), add "/Contents/MacOS/Bitcoin-Qt -logtimestamps=1" and hit enter
 93 2012-02-14 01:26:04 <LMLeverage> 2012 Feb 13 21:25:52,  load: 1.74,  disk_r:    960 KB,  disk_w:   2892 KB
 94 2012-02-14 01:26:05 <LMLeverage> 501   4625    122 Bitcoin-Qt       ??       14   1 R            40960
 95 2012-02-14 01:26:06 <LMLeverage> 0      0      0                  ??       14   1            1119744
 96 2012-02-14 01:26:50 <BlueMatt> wtf is launchd writing that much to disk for?
 97 2012-02-14 01:27:06 <BlueMatt> also, pid 0 writing that much???
 98 2012-02-14 01:27:24 <LMLeverage> seems a little strange--wish I knew more about what these metrics actually meant
 99 2012-02-14 01:27:34 <gmaxwell> those are probably since start?
100 2012-02-14 01:27:38 <BlueMatt> maybe
101 2012-02-14 01:27:38 <gmaxwell> or are they moving?
102 2012-02-14 01:28:02 <BlueMatt> ooo, ok better option: use fs_usage instead of iotop
103 2012-02-14 01:28:02 <Diablo-D3> blueMatt;: pid 0 is the kernel.
104 2012-02-14 01:28:07 <LMLeverage> yeah they're moving
105 2012-02-14 01:28:11 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: yea, so why is it writing so much?
106 2012-02-14 01:28:20 <Diablo-D3> =|
107 2012-02-14 01:28:20 <gmaxwell> LMLeverage: are they only going up?
108 2012-02-14 01:28:38 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt: counting writing out dirty buffers probably.
109 2012-02-14 01:28:50 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: probably...
110 2012-02-14 01:29:10 <BlueMatt> LMLeverage: also, if you are going to paste more then one or two lines, please use a site like pastebin.com to upload them and paste the link in here
111 2012-02-14 01:29:18 <LMLeverage> will do
112 2012-02-14 01:29:32 <LMLeverage> running fs_usage now, then helping debug the slow connection
113 2012-02-14 01:29:56 <BlueMatt> from iotop osx man page: " BYTES  total size of operations, bytes"
114 2012-02-14 01:30:12 <BlueMatt> not very useful...
115 2012-02-14 01:31:57 <LMLeverage> wow copying the entire fs_usage output crashed chrome
116 2012-02-14 01:32:21 <BlueMatt> heh, wow...
117 2012-02-14 01:32:36 <BlueMatt> just copy lines that have particularly high numbers, or mention bitcoin
118 2012-02-14 01:32:43 <LMLeverage> anyway it's mostly mtmd, uTorrent, Chrome, Dropbox, backups, dbfseventsd mds
119 2012-02-14 01:32:44 <BlueMatt> (or all of it if you dont feel like parsing)
120 2012-02-14 01:32:45 <LMLeverage> k
121 2012-02-14 01:33:03 <BlueMatt> low bitcoin...yea maybe you are downloading from a peer on the moon...
122 2012-02-14 01:35:02 <LMLeverage> seems like the only large #s are from Finder
123 2012-02-14 01:35:10 <BlueMatt> ...
124 2012-02-14 01:35:11 <LMLeverage> is there any way to run the command with a filter for anything below 1?
125 2012-02-14 01:35:17 <BlueMatt> nfc
126 2012-02-14 01:35:26 <BlueMatt> Id say move to the logtimestamps option
127 2012-02-14 01:35:28 <LMLeverage> and that: 21:29:26  select                                         1.719942 W usbmuxd
128 2012-02-14 01:35:29 <LMLeverage> k
129 2012-02-14 01:35:54 <BlueMatt> usbmuxd is iPod/iPhone service iirc
130 2012-02-14 01:36:54 <LMLeverage> hmm for some reason the command doesn't seem to be working
131 2012-02-14 01:37:01 <LMLeverage> -bash: /Applications/Bitcoin-Qt.app: is a directory
132 2012-02-14 01:37:54 <gmaxwell> damnit.
133 2012-02-14 01:37:59 <BlueMatt> damn...
134 2012-02-14 01:38:18 <BlueMatt> LMLeverage: should be /Applications/Bitcoin-Qt.app/Contents/MacOS/Bitcoin-Qt -logtimestamps=1
135 2012-02-14 01:38:30 <BlueMatt> (with no spaces between .app and /Contents)
136 2012-02-14 01:39:08 <lianj> finder just tricks you into thinking .app's are one file
137 2012-02-14 01:39:22 <BlueMatt> yep
138 2012-02-14 01:39:28 <LMLeverage> ok loading up now
139 2012-02-14 01:39:36 <LMLeverage> timestamps logged in debug.log?
140 2012-02-14 01:39:48 <BlueMatt> yep, thats what that command does
141 2012-02-14 01:40:03 <BlueMatt> (also, the restart may very well fix the slowness to begin with...)
142 2012-02-14 01:42:26 <LMLeverage> http://pastebin.com/my18uPGQ
143 2012-02-14 01:43:13 <LMLeverage> wow hard to believe, finally killed Chrome--only 3 tabs and it was taking up nearly 4GB of RAM
144 2012-02-14 01:43:19 <LMLeverage> *windows not tabs
145 2012-02-14 01:44:19 <LMLeverage> I feel like ever since I started developing Facebook apps and had 5+ windows open my computer has slowed to a crawl...must be some horrid memory leaks in their JS
146 2012-02-14 01:44:32 <LMLeverage> honestly that's probably the reason for the abnormal disk usage
147 2012-02-14 01:44:33 <BlueMatt> heh, probably
148 2012-02-14 01:45:15 <BlueMatt> hmm, doesnt seem too terribly slow...
149 2012-02-14 01:45:47 <LMLeverage> maybe it's sped up a little since the restart
150 2012-02-14 01:46:01 <BlueMatt> yea, it was possibly the peer
151 2012-02-14 01:46:18 <BlueMatt> maybe they are behind a 24k modem...
152 2012-02-14 01:46:46 <LMLeverage> could be me too--I'm working on a hotel network right now and they've got all kinds of weird traffic restrictions on the AP
153 2012-02-14 01:46:54 <LMLeverage> managed to get rid of most of them but you never know...
154 2012-02-14 01:47:01 <BlueMatt> maybe they are shaping port 8333
155 2012-02-14 01:47:12 <BlueMatt> (you should use a vpn ;) )
156 2012-02-14 01:47:16 <LMLeverage> was just about to say that
157 2012-02-14 01:47:19 <LMLeverage> I tried connecting through my VPN
158 2012-02-14 01:47:21 <LMLeverage> nothing was different
159 2012-02-14 01:47:25 <LMLeverage> which I found strange
160 2012-02-14 01:47:33 <LMLeverage> and it gets great throughput
161 2012-02-14 01:47:34 <BlueMatt> now that I find strange
162 2012-02-14 01:48:14 <LMLeverage> another random question--is Bitcoin-Qt built in Objective C or something else?
163 2012-02-14 01:48:20 <BlueMatt> C++
164 2012-02-14 01:48:39 <BlueMatt> not many people write cross-platform apps in objc
165 2012-02-14 01:48:48 <BlueMatt> (not that its impossible, but its a mostly mac language)
166 2012-02-14 01:48:54 <LMLeverage> true, it's mainly used in conjunction with the Cocoa library
167 2012-02-14 01:49:02 <BlueMatt> yep
168 2012-02-14 01:49:03 <LMLeverage> makes me wish I learned C first
169 2012-02-14 01:50:05 <LMLeverage> easy to pick up?  Main background is in server side (PHP) & JS but I picked up Objective C reasonably well in a few months
170 2012-02-14 01:50:09 <BlueMatt> LMLeverage: so get started, write a bitcoin patch ;)
171 2012-02-14 01:50:19 <LMLeverage> haha I'm tempted to try
172 2012-02-14 01:51:08 <BlueMatt> meh, it wasnt bad for me, but my background was mostly java and scripting languages (php included)
173 2012-02-14 01:51:16 <luke-jr> cool, we're gonna celebrate St. Valentine's feast day
174 2012-02-14 01:51:24 <BlueMatt> we?
175 2012-02-14 01:51:32 <luke-jr> Gavin put it on the meeting agenda
176 2012-02-14 01:51:37 <BlueMatt> oh, heh nice
177 2012-02-14 01:51:46 <BlueMatt> also, oh there is a metting tomorrow?
178 2012-02-14 01:51:51 <luke-jr> see email :p
179 2012-02-14 01:52:13 <BlueMatt> oh, hadnt scrolled down to the other workspace
180 2012-02-14 01:53:16 <luke-jr> addr*
181 2012-02-14 01:53:19 <BlueMatt> "Then when we're done talking tech we can all send each other bitcoins with addresses that are cute Valentine's day messages..."
182 2012-02-14 01:53:23 <BlueMatt> whats the best vanity addr gen now?
183 2012-02-14 01:53:34 <luke-jr> dunno, I just use an old vanitygen build
184 2012-02-14 01:53:55 <luke-jr> oh good, only 15 mins avg
185 2012-02-14 01:53:57 <BlueMatt> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=25804.0
186 2012-02-14 01:54:02 <BlueMatt> thats much, much faster
187 2012-02-14 01:54:18 <luke-jr> that's vanitygen :P
188 2012-02-14 01:54:37 <BlueMatt> oh, I thought you meant vanitygen patch that gavin wrote
189 2012-02-14 01:54:41 <luke-jr> 415 Kk/s
190 2012-02-14 01:59:15 <luke-jr> http://oi56.tinypic.com/9iybsl.jpg
191 2012-02-14 02:05:53 <NxTitle> MagicalTux: nice internet you got there :P
192 2012-02-14 02:06:05 <MagicalTux> NxTitle: getting out of a ddos
193 2012-02-14 02:06:12 <NxTitle> oh, shite
194 2012-02-14 02:17:08 <cjd> does anyone have any decent numbers on vanitygen keys per second vs. bitcoin hashes per second for a given card?
195 2012-02-14 02:18:03 <BlueMatt> has anyone written vanitygen for gpus?
196 2012-02-14 02:18:10 <BlueMatt> also, seriously who the hell was that damn bored
197 2012-02-14 02:18:41 <cjd> according to the forum post... "MD Radeon 58XX, 68XX GPUs: up to 23.5 Mkey/s."
198 2012-02-14 02:19:04 <cjd> I don't really get it either but I am curious about performance of point addition
199 2012-02-14 02:24:33 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: vanitygen supports OpenCL, but it's not much faster than CPUs
200 2012-02-14 02:24:48 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: hahah
201 2012-02-14 02:24:53 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: you're behind the times.
202 2012-02-14 02:24:54 <luke-jr> MagicalTux: FWIW, the guy is talking on IRC now
203 2012-02-14 02:24:58 <luke-jr> MagicalTux: PM
204 2012-02-14 02:24:59 <gmaxwell> It's _much_ faster now.
205 2012-02-14 02:25:12 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: e.g. 18MH/s on a 5870.
206 2012-02-14 02:25:19 <gmaxwell> er MK/s I guess.
207 2012-02-14 02:25:29 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: oh
208 2012-02-14 02:25:39 <luke-jr> http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/code/earlyshare.json for testing miners
209 2012-02-14 02:25:48 <luke-jr> will find the share within 1 second at 16 kH/s
210 2012-02-14 02:26:30 <gmaxwell> cjd: it's not just point addition... sha256/ripemd160 and base58 conversion
211 2012-02-14 02:26:40 <cjd> indeed
212 2012-02-14 02:26:51 <cjd> point addition looks to be pretty fast though
213 2012-02-14 02:27:57 <gmaxwell> fast because they can just step one at a time... doesn't mean e.g. that signature validation would be fast, alas.
214 2012-02-14 02:28:52 <cjd> yea, I'm using 128 high bits of a key for the ipv6 address and trying to get an idea of how hard it is to bruit force
215 2012-02-14 02:30:17 <gmaxwell> erp. This doesn't sound like a good idea.
216 2012-02-14 02:31:36 <gmaxwell> I am normally uneasy with using anything 'structured' as a ecdsa private key, for fear that there would be some massively faster attack if the attacker knows enough of the exact bits.
217 2012-02-14 02:31:59 <cjd> naw, it's the hash of the public key
218 2012-02-14 02:32:10 <cjd> otherwise you couldn't prove that it's valid traffic
219 2012-02-14 02:33:03 <cjd> agreed though, private keys == follow the rules and understand what you can and can't expect from it
220 2012-02-14 02:33:29 <gmaxwell> cjd: oh, what crazy thing are you doing? :)
221 2012-02-14 02:33:45 <gmaxwell> in any case it doesn't matter what your operations are if it takes you 2^128 of the you're likely secure.
222 2012-02-14 02:34:27 <cjd> that was my feeling, it's a routing scheme w/ crypto dervived ip addresses
223 2012-02-14 02:34:35 <BlueMatt> unless you can pack 2^127 of them in one cpu op ;)
224 2012-02-14 02:34:54 <cjd> according to one person: the easiest ipv6 tunnel he's ever setup
225 2012-02-14 02:35:36 <gmaxwell> cjd: IANA is gonna love you.
226 2012-02-14 02:35:58 <cjd> http://image.bayimg.com/namekaadj.jpg <-- shot of the admin page showing nodes and links
227 2012-02-14 02:36:00 <gmaxwell> (oh, ha, do you search to find an address with an acceptable prefix? 0_o interesting idea)
228 2012-02-14 02:36:08 <cjd> yes
229 2012-02-14 02:36:20 <cjd> but the prefix is 'fc' so it's a quick search
230 2012-02-14 02:37:00 <cjd> only realized later that a last minute decision gave me 8 bits of extra strength
231 2012-02-14 02:37:10 <cjd> was going to overwrite the first byte
232 2012-02-14 02:37:38 <gmaxwell> well, not really.
233 2012-02-14 02:38:25 <cjd> hmm indeed the birthday keyspace is smal but the attacks are a bit more expensive
234 2012-02-14 02:38:28 <cjd> *small
235 2012-02-14 02:39:29 <gmaxwell> cjd: no they aren't, really. In either case you're still trying to match 128 bits exactly. It doesn't matter if the first nibble came from the protocol or the address itself.
236 2012-02-14 02:39:47 <gmaxwell> (and it weakens security against 'birthday' attacks)
237 2012-02-14 02:39:59 <gmaxwell> But not smashing the whole ipv6 address space is worth a modest reduction.
238 2012-02-14 02:40:12 <cjd> /nod
239 2012-02-14 02:40:31 <cjd> handing us fc00::/8 was nice of them
240 2012-02-14 02:40:51 <gmaxwell> You're aware of key recovery right?
241 2012-02-14 02:41:09 <gmaxwell> (sounds like you're doing something that would benefit greatly from it)
242 2012-02-14 02:41:11 <cjd> not sure what you mean by it
243 2012-02-14 02:41:22 <cjd> so probably noy
244 2012-02-14 02:41:24 <cjd> *not
245 2012-02-14 02:41:27 <gmaxwell> cjd: does your system require the public key to be transmitted ever?
246 2012-02-14 02:41:50 <cjd> yea, it's exchanged in the handshake and when nodes do introduction
247 2012-02-14 02:41:58 <gmaxwell> You can recover the ECDSA public key from a signature. You don't need to send the public key.
248 2012-02-14 02:42:08 <cjd> ahh, that.
249 2012-02-14 02:42:25 <gmaxwell> Recover it, hash it, compare to the hash. Party on.
250 2012-02-14 02:42:28 <cjd> it's very nice but we do all ECDH
251 2012-02-14 02:42:56 <gmaxwell> oh, you shouldn't be using the address keys for ecdh, you'll not have PFS that way. :(
252 2012-02-14 02:43:35 <cjd> CryptoAuth handshake exchanges temp keys
253 2012-02-14 02:43:58 <cjd> not sure if it helps a whole lot since scraping the handshake would give you the temp keys too
254 2012-02-14 02:44:07 <gmaxwell> Yea. sounds pointless. :(
255 2012-02-14 02:45:00 <gmaxwell> makes the long term address keys very attractive to steal, get a pair and decrypt all past and future connections, not just impersonate.
256 2012-02-14 02:45:40 <gmaxwell> (and http://ed25519.cr.yp.to/ gives such fast signatures too)
257 2012-02-14 02:46:04 <gmaxwell> (though it needs a minor modification for key recovery to work)
258 2012-02-14 02:46:10 <cjd> hrm
259 2012-02-14 02:46:25 <cjd> temporary *public* keys
260 2012-02-14 02:46:43 <gmaxwell> cjd: oh well thats fine, thats how one properly uses ECDH.
261 2012-02-14 02:46:59 <gmaxwell> But how do you connect the address to the temporary public keys?
262 2012-02-14 02:47:41 <cjd> when the first packet comes in you create a crypto auth connection for it
263 2012-02-14 02:47:50 <cjd> anything which matches that connection gets fed through it
264 2012-02-14 02:48:01 <cjd> you check the public key from that connection
265 2012-02-14 02:48:34 <cjd> check the other end's perminent public key
266 2012-02-14 02:49:35 <cjd> so you have memory exhaustion from starting lots of crypto connections instead
267 2012-02-14 02:50:38 <gmaxwell> hm. you shouldn't if you require everything needed to auth be in the first packet it can just be dropped and forgotten if not accepted... and to avoid computational attack you just rate limit accepting new connections.
268 2012-02-14 02:51:19 <cjd> yeah, it's just +1 headache to think about
269 2012-02-14 02:51:39 <cjd> I basicly took the "how it works" from curvecp and reimplemented it except sacrificing safety for speed.
270 2012-02-14 02:52:04 <gmaxwell> that .. doesn't sound good.
271 2012-02-14 02:52:18 <cjd> the first packets can also carry data so a tcp connection can still be setup in 1 2 roundtrips
272 2012-02-14 02:52:29 <cjd> s/1//
273 2012-02-14 02:52:42 <cjd> +wonkey mtu
274 2012-02-14 02:54:08 <cjd> it's mostly little crap like nonces are 4 byte counters, when it rolls over it kills the connection
275 2012-02-14 02:55:18 <gmaxwell> cjd: use a de bruijn sequence for a counter. :)
276 2012-02-14 02:56:34 <gmaxwell> (I had a secure RTP like protocol that got at 24 bit nonce out of an 8 bit counter that way, but I never got around to coming up with a fast approach sutiable for scaling it to more realistic sizes)
277 2012-02-14 02:57:37 <cjd> that is indeed interesting
278 2012-02-14 03:00:19 <cjd> 4 bytes are ok for most things and 2 bytes would be alignment hell - and I steal an extra bit based on whether or not "you" initiated the connection
279 2012-02-14 03:03:34 <gmaxwell> basically you can have a counter of n^2 size with only n.. and tolerate reordering upto ~n. IF you can come up with a fast sequence encoding and decoding scheme.
280 2012-02-14 03:04:19 <TuxBlackEdo> any chance you guys can fix the bitcoin client so in the transaction history it shows when the transactions were made instead of when i opened the client to receive those updated transactions
281 2012-02-14 03:04:32 <TuxBlackEdo> u know what i am talking about?
282 2012-02-14 03:05:16 <cjd> yeah, drops and reordering is what's making my head spin at the moment :)
283 2012-02-14 03:05:16 <MagicalTux> TuxBlackEdo: you probably mean "show the associated block's timestamp instead of the date the transaction was first seen"
284 2012-02-14 03:05:23 <TuxBlackEdo> yes
285 2012-02-14 03:05:28 <TuxBlackEdo> that's exactly what i meant
286 2012-02-14 03:16:56 <cjd> I suppose it makes the most sense to use a sliding window, add a little state on each end and never worry about nonces again
287 2012-02-14 06:21:21 <[Tycho]> Wow, someone redeemed my abandoned strange TX :)
288 2012-02-14 06:21:54 <Diablo-D3> ?
289 2012-02-14 06:22:22 <[Tycho]> I wonder who did it.
290 2012-02-14 06:22:44 <Diablo-D3> ?
291 2012-02-14 06:22:50 <Joric> russians!
292 2012-02-14 06:23:18 <[Tycho]> http://blockexplorer.com/tx/8c8baf2e0529c0193ad3a583306a16fcc3e9cd271ba625e12bfd74261a46ad7c
293 2012-02-14 06:23:44 <Diablo-D3> Type: Strange
294 2012-02-14 06:25:29 <[Tycho]> Isn't it ?
295 2012-02-14 06:26:55 <[Tycho]> Joric: blockchaininfo says "Dallas"
296 2012-02-14 06:36:45 <Ukto> wha? I didnt take it
297 2012-02-14 06:37:45 <Graet> lol
298 2012-02-14 07:12:19 <finway> Is what makomk said true ?  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=63701.msg746206#msg746206
299 2012-02-14 07:12:28 <finway> BIP 16 is going to be much more disruptive than advertised
300 2012-02-14 07:35:09 <finway> Where is everybody
301 2012-02-14 08:06:16 <finway> The bank sucks.
302 2012-02-14 08:10:45 <Graet> they start wandering in over the next few hours and it fires up around 5hours time when usa wake up :)
303 2012-02-14 08:11:37 <finway> oh, i forgot that
304 2012-02-14 08:15:06 <Graet> :)
305 2012-02-14 08:15:45 <Graet> which is bad, all the interesting conversation happens after midnight my tz lol
306 2012-02-14 08:24:23 <finway> where are you ?
307 2012-02-14 08:25:38 <Graet> western australia
308 2012-02-14 08:25:47 <Graet> UTC +8
309 2012-02-14 08:28:56 <finway> oh, same as me.   China, utc+8
310 2012-02-14 08:29:14 <Graet> :)
311 2012-02-14 08:30:39 <finway> but different season
312 2012-02-14 08:35:30 <underscor> hf
313 2012-02-14 10:51:41 <r3sandy> sorry for the super noobie question
314 2012-02-14 10:51:50 <r3sandy> but if i encrypt my wallet using the bitcoin client
315 2012-02-14 10:51:58 <r3sandy> how do you unencrypt it?
316 2012-02-14 10:55:22 <r3sandy> maybe the wrong channel to ask sorry.
317 2012-02-14 11:30:04 <sje> gmaxwell: i did a pull request for the backup function in gui
318 2012-02-14 11:31:25 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: sje397 opened pull request 834 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/834>
319 2012-02-14 11:41:21 <sje> grr whenever i code, i find no shares :(
320 2012-02-14 13:02:31 <userggv> paulo, vc ?? de brasilia?
321 2012-02-14 13:57:24 <sje> scuse my ignorance - but how does one build a gui-less bitcoin?
322 2012-02-14 13:57:47 <sipa> cd src
323 2012-02-14 13:57:55 <sipa> make -f makefile.unix bitcoind
324 2012-02-14 14:03:09 <cande> any1 know where i can get a good priced nfc reader?
325 2012-02-14 14:04:17 <sje> thanks sipa
326 2012-02-14 14:04:48 <sje> do you know how many times bitcoind forks? want to know for upstart job
327 2012-02-14 14:05:44 <sipa> never
328 2012-02-14 14:05:49 <sipa> unless you give -daemon
329 2012-02-14 14:05:54 <sipa> in which case it forks once
330 2012-02-14 14:06:19 <sipa> and it keeps its own pidfile
331 2012-02-14 14:11:04 <sje> aha thanks sipa
332 2012-02-14 14:12:06 <sipa> sje: if you write an upstart script for bitcoin, BlueMatt may be interested in it for the PPA
333 2012-02-14 14:12:33 <gmaxwell> I want SJE's backupwallet gui in 0.6 once its tested. :)
334 2012-02-14 14:12:40 <sipa> gmaxwell: ack
335 2012-02-14 14:12:55 <sje> ah ok - i have one, but will let him know once it's 'tuned'
336 2012-02-14 14:13:31 <sipa> sje: though i suppose that to do so, you'll also want a real system-wide bitcoind, with a datadir in /var/lib somewhere, and so on
337 2012-02-14 14:13:46 <sipa> potentially running as a separate user
338 2012-02-14 14:13:58 <sje> that's getting a bit hardcore :)
339 2012-02-14 14:14:11 <sje> but yeah that makes sense
340 2012-02-14 14:14:22 <sje> i have to sleep
341 2012-02-14 14:14:25 <sje> 2am
342 2012-02-14 14:14:31 <sipa> good night
343 2012-02-14 14:14:45 <sje> cheers - good day/night :)
344 2012-02-14 14:15:48 <Graet> nn sje
345 2012-02-14 14:28:49 <finway> gmaxwell:ping
346 2012-02-14 14:29:07 <gmaxwell> finway: Yes?
347 2012-02-14 14:29:13 <finway> gmaxwell:  Is what makomk said true ? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=63701.msg746206#msg746206
348 2012-02-14 14:30:14 <gmaxwell> finway: Why are you asking me?
349 2012-02-14 14:30:51 <finway> gmaxwell: [quote] As gmaxwell pointed out when he discovered p2pool was allowing miners to put non-standard transactions in their coinbases, IsStandard doesn't actually check that the scriptPubKey of the transaction being spent was standard at all - it only checks the scriptSigs and scriptPubKeys of the transaction being spent.   [/quote]
350 2012-02-14 14:31:28 <gmaxwell> Yes. Thats true. I did point that out.
351 2012-02-14 14:32:50 <sipa> now if a BIP16 spend were to use a non-push operation...
352 2012-02-14 14:33:28 <finway> so will BIP16 be safely deployed ?
353 2012-02-14 14:34:11 <sipa> well, as soon as BIP16 is deployed, all other miner already have a very large incentive to upgrade
354 2012-02-14 14:34:32 <sipa> this is just an extra (and maybe unforeseen) extra reason why
355 2012-02-14 14:36:49 <gmaxwell> finway: This isn't really a safty thing. It just means that upgraded daemons are risk exposed to being orphaned if they don't enforce the rule when the majority of the network does.
356 2012-02-14 14:37:54 <gmaxwell> It means that half-deployed is less acceptable than it would have otherwise been if the transactions were non-standard.
357 2012-02-14 14:37:54 <sipa> well, if exactly 55% of mining power is behind BIP16, it means there is a 0.8% chance that 6 successive blocks from from old miners
358 2012-02-14 14:38:14 <sipa> which means there is a reasonable but small chance old clients will see the spending transaction as valid
359 2012-02-14 14:38:23 <gmaxwell> sipa: yea, I do think it influences the threshold we should be using.
360 2012-02-14 14:38:56 <sipa> indeed, i think 55% is too low anyway
361 2012-02-14 14:39:14 <gmaxwell> ::nods::
362 2012-02-14 14:39:26 <sipa> it's safe enough to assume a supermajority existed at some point, but not enough to know it is sustainabl
363 2012-02-14 15:05:31 <sipa> gmaxwell: managed to do any testing of addrman anymore?
364 2012-02-14 15:11:13 <gmaxwell> sipa: I started it up in valgrind and it didn't explode but nothing more than that the node I was running it on ran out of space and shut down. (doh)
365 2012-02-14 15:12:41 <gmaxwell> sipa: you see the comment on the backupwallet gui re: backupwallet not taking the wallet lock?
366 2012-02-14 15:13:02 <sipa> gmaxwell: i replied
367 2012-02-14 15:13:38 <gmaxwell> okay, I'm apparently suffering from time dilation.
368 2012-02-14 15:14:30 <sipa> i left addrman running all night, without problems; then again, i did that before and never saw any corruption of access violation either; i'd need a positive reply from luke or gavin to gain some trust the issue was fixed
369 2012-02-14 15:15:08 <gmaxwell> sipa: well mine made it almost days before the node ran out of space (for unrelated reasons)
370 2012-02-14 16:28:02 <BlueMatt> meeting is in 30 min, right?
371 2012-02-14 16:28:13 <kinlo> is the meeting going to happen tonight, or did gavin realise it's valentine's day?
372 2012-02-14 16:28:29 <sipa> Gavin mentioned valentine in his mail, so i guess it will happen
373 2012-02-14 16:28:35 <sipa> and it's in 3.5 hours
374 2012-02-14 16:29:01 <sipa> (current 17:28 UTC)
375 2012-02-14 16:29:30 <BlueMatt> oh, no wonder I was confused, wolframalpha thinks im in pst...
376 2012-02-14 16:29:37 <BlueMatt> wtf wolframalpha?
377 2012-02-14 16:29:51 <kinlo> BlueMatt: http://www.timeanddate.com
378 2012-02-14 16:29:59 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt: add a UTC clock to your screen and be done with it.
379 2012-02-14 16:30:09 <kinlo> I never got wolfram alpha to do anything usefull for me
380 2012-02-14 16:30:10 <BlueMatt> kinlo: wolframalpha works just as well, unless it gets its geoip db wrong
381 2012-02-14 16:30:55 <usertg> what is the % that already accept bip16?
382 2012-02-14 16:31:05 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: I have a gmt one in my clock applet, but a. its not the same as utc (and for some reason there is no utc???) and b. I dont feel like converting from 12-h to 24-h and calculating offsets, so i usually just type it in wolframalpha
383 2012-02-14 16:31:09 <BlueMatt> (which does all that for you)
384 2012-02-14 16:31:51 <usertg> and how much is needed?
385 2012-02-14 16:31:53 <UukGoblin> oh ffs
386 2012-02-14 16:32:00 <UukGoblin> blockchain is down for maintenance, blockexplorer is slow
387 2012-02-14 16:32:09 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt: GMT = UTC (UTC is just TAI corrected to agree with GMT)
388 2012-02-14 16:32:31 <kinlo> is there an overview on which version people use of the client in general?
389 2012-02-14 16:32:37 <UukGoblin> someone should write a blockexplorer using data straight from bitcoind's database
390 2012-02-14 16:32:41 <kinlo> not the block-generating-people
391 2012-02-14 16:32:51 <gmaxwell> (TAI is the atomic clock tick, GMT is solar time at a particular locations, UTC get leap seconds in order to stay in agreement within a second of GMT)
392 2012-02-14 16:32:59 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: hmm, for some reason I thought gmt had dst differences sometimes (though now that you mention it, yea ofc I was wrong...not sure how I misremembered that...)
393 2012-02-14 16:33:34 <sipa> kinlo: http://bitcoinstatus.rowit.co.uk/
394 2012-02-14 16:33:41 <sipa> 0.3.24 is the most-used it seems :(
395 2012-02-14 16:33:56 <kinlo> BlueMatt: gmt has no dst differences, they use BST in .uk when they need summertime
396 2012-02-14 16:34:02 <UukGoblin> 0.3.24 was the last "good" one ;-]
397 2012-02-14 16:34:06 <sipa> UukGoblin: huh?
398 2012-02-14 16:34:06 <UukGoblin> actually no
399 2012-02-14 16:34:10 <BlueMatt> kinlo: yep
400 2012-02-14 16:34:10 <UukGoblin> .22
401 2012-02-14 16:34:12 <gmaxwell> sipa: did you see that there was a whole bitcoin webpage still directing people to 0.3.24 until a couple days ago? :(
402 2012-02-14 16:34:14 <sipa> 0.3.24 was the least stable release ever imho
403 2012-02-14 16:34:21 <UukGoblin> I think .22 was the last with .01 fee
404 2012-02-14 16:34:26 <BlueMatt> UukGoblin: you realize .22 was very broken
405 2012-02-14 16:34:31 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: o rly?
406 2012-02-14 16:34:37 <luke-jr> btw, my St. Valentine's day addr: 1Martyr7QedWCA6LZ53wZnkes8tkgTFiLZ
407 2012-02-14 16:34:38 <sipa> gmaxwell: huh?
408 2012-02-14 16:34:45 <UukGoblin> BlueMatt, naah, 0.3.9 was very broken.
409 2012-02-14 16:34:56 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: yes, bitcoin.sourceforge.net was a snapshot of bitcoin.org as of about 0.3.24.
410 2012-02-14 16:34:59 <BlueMatt> UukGoblin: in fact, .22 is the reason the topic says "*OLD VERSIONS HARM THE NETWORK AND YOUR SECURITY*"
411 2012-02-14 16:35:04 <luke-jr> every release was broken in some way -.-
412 2012-02-14 16:35:15 <luke-jr> this is why I maintain the stable versions
413 2012-02-14 16:35:17 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: Martyr...
414 2012-02-14 16:35:27 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: St. Valentine was a martyr ;)
415 2012-02-14 16:35:29 <nanotube> ;;echo $utc
416 2012-02-14 16:35:30 <gribble> Tue Feb 14 17:35:29 2012
417 2012-02-14 16:35:52 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: yea, but...
418 2012-02-14 16:35:59 <sipa> BlueMatt: do not argue with it
419 2012-02-14 16:36:20 <gmaxwell> sipa: nanotube fixed it, but .. I found out about it when someone in #bitcoin was insisting 0.3.24 was the latest version. :(
420 2012-02-14 16:36:28 <luke-jr> lol
421 2012-02-14 16:36:43 <BlueMatt> doesnt the #bitcoin topic have latest version: ...?
422 2012-02-14 16:36:50 <wumpus> no one reads the topic
423 2012-02-14 16:36:56 <BlueMatt> oh, guess someone got rid of that...
424 2012-02-14 16:36:56 <kinlo> I still think bitcoin should alert when there is a newer version
425 2012-02-14 16:36:57 <wumpus> weird, but true
426 2012-02-14 16:37:07 <luke-jr> did anyone test stable rc2s btw?
427 2012-02-14 16:37:10 <UukGoblin> and it doesn't
428 2012-02-14 16:37:30 <UukGoblin> (contain the latest ver in the topic)
429 2012-02-14 16:37:34 <sipa> luke-jr: which version?
430 2012-02-14 16:37:37 <UukGoblin> what's the latest on this BIP16/BIP17 war?
431 2012-02-14 16:37:46 <UukGoblin> cease-fired yet?
432 2012-02-14 16:37:48 <wumpus> nanotube :p
433 2012-02-14 16:38:10 <luke-jr> wumpus: bitcoin-qt doesn't update its receiving addr list when I import my privkey
434 2012-02-14 16:40:01 <BlueMatt> yea, only -dev does for some reason...
435 2012-02-14 16:40:01 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt: is now.
436 2012-02-14 16:40:01 <kinlo> wumpus: for example...
437 2012-02-14 16:40:01 <luke-jr> sipa: 0.4.4, 0.5.0.4, 0.5.3
438 2012-02-14 16:40:01 <sipa> gmaxwell: i tested it
439 2012-02-14 16:40:01 <wumpus> kinlo: yes, I guess the alert messages could be used for that
440 2012-02-14 16:47:57 <wumpus> development on windows sucks...
441 2012-02-14 16:48:05 <BlueMatt> yep
442 2012-02-14 16:48:14 <mod6> for sure.
443 2012-02-14 16:48:18 <mod6> doing it now
444 2012-02-14 16:48:50 <BlueMatt> also, when will wpa_supplicant finally get its act together and work on any large-scale wifi networks?
445 2012-02-14 16:49:07 <BlueMatt> seriously, Ive never seen it work properly on any network with more than one ap, on any wifi card...
446 2012-02-14 16:50:26 <wumpus> luke-jr: thanks
447 2012-02-14 16:55:55 <BlueMatt> wow, big netsplit...
448 2012-02-14 16:56:11 <Graet> been a few last 12 hours :/
449 2012-02-14 16:56:55 <BlueMatt> seems like freenode has been off the past week or so...
450 2012-02-14 16:57:05 <btc_novice> "kinlo: is there an overview on which version people use of the client in general?"  -- I've been collecting data for a while now (similar to http://bitcoinstatus.rowit.co.uk/) and here's what I have for version being run: http://i.imgur.com/JJN6b.png
451 2012-02-14 17:32:28 <luke-jr> BlueMatt_: might possibly be that DDoSer pissed off he can't take Eligius down ;/
452 2012-02-14 17:33:41 <BlueMatt_> luke-jr: for some reason I kinda doubt that...
453 2012-02-14 17:33:47 <BlueMatt_> though I suppose its possible...
454 2012-02-14 17:34:58 <cjd> :D  +1 resiliancy
455 2012-02-14 17:37:23 <BlueMatt_> luke-jr: how did you come back, or did the ddos just slow down?
456 2012-02-14 17:38:37 <smickles> BlueMatt_: the power of prayer ;D
457 2012-02-14 17:39:21 <luke-jr> BlueMatt_: Amazon EC2 proxy
458 2012-02-14 17:39:32 <luke-jr> Amazon is handlign the DDoS while the FBI investigates
459 2012-02-14 17:39:58 <cjd> nice solution
460 2012-02-14 17:40:12 <cjd> amazon can do persistent connections?
461 2012-02-14 17:40:17 <cjd> (for long poll)
462 2012-02-14 17:40:36 <phantomcircuit> hmm
463 2012-02-14 17:40:46 <phantomcircuit> possibly there should be a bitcoin freenode node
464 2012-02-14 17:40:58 <BlueMatt_> heh nice
465 2012-02-14 17:41:09 <phantomcircuit> i'll propose one to them
466 2012-02-14 17:41:24 <cjd> phantom, you mean running an ircd?
467 2012-02-14 17:41:54 <Graet> we should make bitnode and have our own irc :P
468 2012-02-14 17:42:04 <BlueMatt_> Graet: we do...
469 2012-02-14 17:42:17 <phantomcircuit> cjd, yes
470 2012-02-14 17:42:19 <Graet> why do we use freenodde?
471 2012-02-14 17:42:50 <wumpus> way too much hassle to run an irc network
472 2012-02-14 17:42:54 <cjd> efnet won't even let you link unless you have a multihomed connection
473 2012-02-14 17:42:56 <phantomcircuit> cjd, i have experience running public irc servers
474 2012-02-14 17:43:07 <BlueMatt_> because there is no reason to use lfnet if more devs are already on freenode
475 2012-02-14 17:43:11 <BlueMatt_> wumpus: we already run one...
476 2012-02-14 17:43:51 <cjd> phantomcircuit: how big? I mean there are a billion micro irc networks that noone cares about, drama == ddos on the order of 10Gb
477 2012-02-14 17:44:44 <phantomcircuit> cjd, we got ddos'd about twice a week
478 2012-02-14 17:45:11 <cjd> what kind of server stuff were you running on?
479 2012-02-14 17:45:16 <sipa> i used to manage our university's student irc network
480 2012-02-14 17:45:57 <phantomcircuit> cjd, was a pretty shitty server actually
481 2012-02-14 17:46:33 <phantomcircuit> we had 2 10g connections and 1 100mbps for admin
482 2012-02-14 17:46:39 <BlueMatt_> sipa: your uni had its own irc net for students...?
483 2012-02-14 17:46:46 <phantomcircuit> mostly a hw firewall handled the ddos
484 2012-02-14 17:46:58 <sipa> BlueMatt_: no, but the students did :)
485 2012-02-14 17:46:59 <cjd> 2x10g is respectable
486 2012-02-14 17:47:16 <phantomcircuit> cjd, yeah it just ate 99% of attacks
487 2012-02-14 17:47:24 <BlueMatt_> sipa: oh...still...
488 2012-02-14 17:47:50 <sipa> BlueMatt_: currently 95 users connected
489 2012-02-14 17:47:54 <sipa> ;)
490 2012-02-14 17:47:55 <BlueMatt_> heh
491 2012-02-14 17:48:03 <sipa> kinda died out over the years
492 2012-02-14 17:48:18 <phantomcircuit> cjd, the only attack that succeeded was someone who managed to get ~10m bots to connect all at once
493 2012-02-14 17:48:21 <BlueMatt_> yea, irc isnt exactly very popular any more...
494 2012-02-14 17:48:32 <phantomcircuit> the actual server wasn't super fast so it couldn't handle them all
495 2012-02-14 17:48:37 <cjd> heh
496 2012-02-14 17:48:39 <cjd> TOR?
497 2012-02-14 17:48:45 <phantomcircuit> nfc
498 2012-02-14 17:50:02 <cjd> how's momento going?
499 2012-02-14 17:50:18 <BlueMatt_> wtf happened to tradehill?
500 2012-02-14 17:50:19 <BlueMatt_> http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/14/2797034/bitcoin-tradehill-suspends-trading-returns-money
501 2012-02-14 17:51:00 <phantomcircuit> that's pretty old
502 2012-02-14 17:51:09 <phantomcircuit> i've known that was going to happen since the day they opened
503 2012-02-14 17:51:17 <cjd> heh
504 2012-02-14 17:51:48 <BlueMatt_> heh, still it pretty clearly states that mc/banks are unwilling to do business with people who do business with people who deal in bitcoin...
505 2012-02-14 17:51:51 <BlueMatt_> which is pretty nasty
506 2012-02-14 17:52:28 <cjd> otoh it shows they're scared ;)
507 2012-02-14 17:53:36 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt_, th's problem is pretty clear to me
508 2012-02-14 17:53:44 <BlueMatt_> wait, tradehill owns bitcoin.com?...
509 2012-02-14 17:53:49 <phantomcircuit> yeah they do
510 2012-02-14 17:53:50 <BlueMatt_> how did that happen?
511 2012-02-14 17:53:53 <phantomcircuit> that's not gonna end well
512 2012-02-14 17:53:56 <phantomcircuit> months ago
513 2012-02-14 17:54:10 <BlueMatt_> yea, but how did no one bother to buy bitcoin.com like 2 years ago?
514 2012-02-14 17:54:30 <phantomcircuit> they bought it from someone
515 2012-02-14 17:54:31 <wumpus> it was owned by some other company, and not (openly) for sale
516 2012-02-14 17:54:41 <phantomcircuit> i heard it through the grape vine they paid 6 figures
517 2012-02-14 17:54:45 <BlueMatt_> damn
518 2012-02-14 17:54:54 <wumpus> ...wow
519 2012-02-14 17:54:57 <BlueMatt_> well I suppose tradehill is better than some random company, but still...
520 2012-02-14 17:55:11 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt_: well, perhaps not anymore. They don't have a reputation to protect now.
521 2012-02-14 17:55:47 <wumpus> well yes it could be worse, as long as they're not going to offer trojaned downloads I'm happy really...
522 2012-02-14 17:57:11 <wumpus> also they're the first bitcoin "bank" shutting down that actually returns the money
523 2012-02-14 17:58:22 <phantomcircuit> wumpus, that's incorrect, exchb was the first to shutdown and return all client funds
524 2012-02-14 17:58:39 <wumpus> exchb? never even heard of them...
525 2012-02-14 18:07:51 <luke-jr> wumpus: supposedly. I don't see my money yet
526 2012-02-14 18:08:01 <luke-jr> sorry, spoke too soon
527 2012-02-14 18:08:05 <luke-jr> I missed the popup ;)
528 2012-02-14 18:08:13 <luke-jr> I did receive my 33 BTC from them
529 2012-02-14 18:08:17 <luke-jr> no idea if I'll get the USD check
530 2012-02-14 18:08:33 <luke-jr> I presume my Euros and AUD are forfeit since I don't have any accounts that can receive them
531 2012-02-14 18:08:55 <mod6> :(
532 2012-02-14 18:09:39 <gavinandresen> luke-jr: see https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=63762.20
533 2012-02-14 18:10:15 <gavinandresen> ... your mileage may vary, this link carries no warranty, express or implied....
534 2012-02-14 18:10:25 <wumpus> heh
535 2012-02-14 18:53:08 <forrestv> does anyone have a debug build of bitcoin-qt for windows..?
536 2012-02-14 19:01:19 <luke-jr> thx gavinandresen
537 2012-02-14 19:07:05 <denisx> yeah, my bitcoin 0.5.2 joel cohn patch did found a block
538 2012-02-14 19:07:22 <luke-jr> O.o
539 2012-02-14 19:07:25 <denisx> last proof I needed
540 2012-02-14 19:07:34 <luke-jr> so when is the meeting anyhow?
541 2012-02-14 19:07:41 <sipa> in an hour
542 2012-02-14 19:07:44 <luke-jr> ok
543 2012-02-14 19:07:49 <sipa> ;;echo $utc
544 2012-02-14 19:07:50 <gribble> Tue Feb 14 20:07:50 2012
545 2012-02-14 19:07:50 <luke-jr> I might not be able to be here :<
546 2012-02-14 19:07:51 <denisx> aeh, joel katz, not cohn
547 2012-02-14 19:08:01 <luke-jr> denisx: I wasn't aware he did a 0.5.2 patch
548 2012-02-14 19:08:13 <denisx> luke-jr: he didn't
549 2012-02-14 19:08:15 <denisx> I dit
550 2012-02-14 19:08:16 <denisx> did
551 2012-02-14 19:08:16 <luke-jr> ..
552 2012-02-14 19:08:21 <luke-jr> seems redundant :P
553 2012-02-14 19:08:40 <luke-jr> I've been maintaining each of his 4diff changes as a git branch
554 2012-02-14 19:09:51 <denisx> I used the 0.3.24 patch until last week
555 2012-02-14 19:11:21 <luke-jr> denisx: some of it is in next-test
556 2012-02-14 19:11:40 <denisx> next-test?
557 2012-02-14 19:54:34 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: so whats the point of you having a fancy MaRTyR address if you post the privkey?
558 2012-02-14 19:55:29 <BlueMatt> also, if the meeting is in 4 minutes, where is everyone?
559 2012-02-14 19:55:42 <gavinandresen> yeah, where is everybody?
560 2012-02-14 19:56:07 <gavinandresen> and who the hell thought it was a good idea to schedule a meeting on Valentine's day.....
561 2012-02-14 19:56:35 <gmaxwell> e