1 2012-03-07 03:42:16 <tomoj> is something like the example here https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Contracts#Example_4:_Using_external_state possible yet today?
  2 2012-03-07 04:41:23 <forrestv> tomoj, yes, besides the difficulty of getting nonstandard transactions into blocks
  3 2012-03-07 04:41:34 <forrestv> also, i'm not sure about the state of locktime..
  4 2012-03-07 04:46:10 <tomoj> I see, support for that kind of thing is still mostly hypothetical?
  5 2012-03-07 04:47:29 <forrestv> tomoj, what do you mean by "support"?
  6 2012-03-07 04:48:14 <tomoj> lack of difficulty?
  7 2012-03-07 04:49:47 <tomoj> I mean, "no support at all" would mean "no one has nonstandard transactions enabled, so you just can't do it"
  8 2012-03-07 08:57:44 <denisx> cool, my pool made it to the hash rate distribution circle chart *jump jump*
  9 2012-03-07 08:58:51 <Graet> congrats
 10 2012-03-07 09:13:09 <denisx> AES.NI is of no use for bitcoind, right?
 11 2012-03-07 10:57:15 <finway> Who is 88.6.216.9 ?
 12 2012-03-07 10:57:27 <finway> artfortz ?
 13 2012-03-07 10:57:50 <Diablo-D3> how many hash?
 14 2012-03-07 10:57:57 <finway> like the old time GPU beating  CPU ?
 15 2012-03-07 10:58:12 <finway> 1.8THashs/s
 16 2012-03-07 10:58:15 <Diablo-D3> no not him
 17 2012-03-07 10:59:17 <finway> Where does this pool come from ?
 18 2012-03-07 10:59:19 <finway> Strange.
 19 2012-03-07 11:03:50 <finway> quantum miner ?
 20 2012-03-07 11:08:55 <finway> A custom coded server that responds to a bot with:  UniqueWallet,PrevBlockHash,Difficulty, and a solo miner that takes that information and continually generates its own work instead of relying on a central bitcoind to generate work on its behalf.
 21 2012-03-07 11:09:00 <finway> I think botnet is reasonable answer.
 22 2012-03-07 11:13:37 <Graet> mm spain
 23 2012-03-07 11:15:39 <finway> eleuthria thought it's scary and inevitable.
 24 2012-03-07 11:18:47 <TD> if it's a botnet large enough to produce such a giant hashrate we'll hear about it soon enough i think
 25 2012-03-07 11:19:08 <TD> you can't run software on a million+ machines and not get noticed by the AV firms
 26 2012-03-07 11:20:48 <finway> Isn't 1 million nodes zombie network existing ?
 27 2012-03-07 11:22:21 <TD> sure
 28 2012-03-07 11:24:02 <finway> So 1M * 1MHash/s , That's 1THash/s
 29 2012-03-07 11:25:16 <TD> that would double the networks current speed
 30 2012-03-07 11:25:35 <TD> not to mention significantly damage the botnet. a lot of people would notice that their cpu was pegged for sure
 31 2012-03-07 11:25:45 <TD> and as noted on the forum, it would require some fairly beefy command/control servers
 32 2012-03-07 11:25:55 <TD> a much smaller botnet with gpu miners is more likely
 33 2012-03-07 11:25:57 <TD> we've seen that already
 34 2012-03-07 11:26:00 <Graet> um 1Thash wouldnt double network speed
 35 2012-03-07 11:26:12 <Graet> ;;bc,nethash
 36 2012-03-07 11:26:15 <gribble> 10183.330687892159
 37 2012-03-07 11:26:30 <Graet> 10% it maybe ;)
 38 2012-03-07 11:26:49 <Graet> ;;bc,deepbit
 39 2012-03-07 11:26:50 <gribble> 3688020000
 40 2012-03-07 11:27:01 <finway> What annoying is that they don't contain txes.
 41 2012-03-07 11:28:38 <finway> Sounds like whar luke-jr done to scamcoins.
 42 2012-03-07 11:29:22 <finway> Though not that big.
 43 2012-03-07 11:29:24 <finway> luke-jr: is that you ? :P
 44 2012-03-07 11:29:31 <finway> ;;seen luke-jr
 45 2012-03-07 11:29:32 <gribble> luke-jr was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 13 hours, 17 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <luke-jr> gavinandresen: that's harder :/
 46 2012-03-07 11:34:31 <finway> Can miners mine without bitcoind ?
 47 2012-03-07 11:35:39 <Graet> they need one somewhere afaik
 48 2012-03-07 11:35:52 <Diablo-D3> finway: "yes"
 49 2012-03-07 11:35:57 <Diablo-D3> at least THEY dont need one
 50 2012-03-07 11:36:03 <Diablo-D3> someone out there has one
 51 2012-03-07 11:36:41 <finway> Thta's why they don't include txes.
 52 2012-03-07 11:36:42 <finway> That's bad
 53 2012-03-07 11:36:52 <finway> It's impossible to include txes.
 54 2012-03-07 11:47:43 <finway> These miners slow down txes processing.
 55 2012-03-07 11:48:22 <Diablo-D3> >miners
 56 2012-03-07 11:48:26 <Diablo-D3> >slow down tx processing
 57 2012-03-07 11:48:28 <Diablo-D3> lolwat
 58 2012-03-07 11:49:04 <Graet> <finway> Who is 88.6.216.9 ? <<
 59 2012-03-07 11:49:08 <finway> what's so unny?
 60 2012-03-07 11:49:13 <Graet> http://blockchain.info/blocks/88.6.216.9
 61 2012-03-07 11:49:26 <Graet> is where we started ;)
 62 2012-03-07 11:49:31 <Diablo-D3> Graet: mine ALL the blocks o/
 63 2012-03-07 11:49:38 <Graet> i would if i could !!!!
 64 2012-03-07 11:49:43 <Graet> lol
 65 2012-03-07 11:49:44 <finway> Graet: i don't know, he just doesn't include txes, and his hashrate is merely 1THash/s
 66 2012-03-07 11:49:56 <sturles> Diablo-D3: Partly true.  Mining through Eligius slows down tx processing by not including transactions without a fee.
 67 2012-03-07 11:50:06 <Graet> i understand finway - been trying to do some reseach on it ;)
 68 2012-03-07 11:50:26 <Diablo-D3> sturles: yes but thats because luke is a dick
 69 2012-03-07 11:50:50 <sturles> t
 70 2012-03-07 11:51:55 <finway> ;;seen gavinanderson
 71 2012-03-07 11:51:55 <gribble> I have not seen gavinanderson.
 72 2012-03-07 11:52:07 <Diablo-D3> zomg gavin was unmade!
 73 2012-03-07 11:52:10 <finway> ;;seen gavinandreson
 74 2012-03-07 11:52:11 <gribble> I have not seen gavinandreson.
 75 2012-03-07 11:52:28 <Diablo-D3> ;;seen my dick in years because Im a fat bastard
 76 2012-03-07 11:52:28 <gribble> (seen [<channel>] <nick>) -- Returns the last time <nick> was seen and what <nick> was last seen saying. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. <nick> may contain * as a wildcard.
 77 2012-03-07 11:52:32 <Diablo-D3> goddamnit
 78 2012-03-07 11:52:33 <finway> ok, i can't spell his name.
 79 2012-03-07 13:18:44 <jguk> hi
 80 2012-03-07 13:18:54 <jguk> i have a question
 81 2012-03-07 13:18:55 <BlueMattBot> luke-jr you may not issue bot commands in this chat!
 82 2012-03-07 13:18:55 <luke-jr> BlueMattBot: 0.5.3rc3?
 83 2012-03-07 13:19:02 <luke-jr> oh
 84 2012-03-07 13:19:12 <jguk> how do i get GPG authentication?
 85 2012-03-07 13:19:29 <jguk> im extremely confused
 86 2012-03-07 13:19:50 <jguk> ive downloaded the CLI version for windows
 87 2012-03-07 13:19:54 <jguk> but its not launching
 88 2012-03-07 13:21:11 <jguk> WHAT THE FUCK DO I DO
 89 2012-03-07 13:21:21 <jguk> FUCKING BITCOIN
 90 2012-03-07 13:21:58 <jguk> HOW
 91 2012-03-07 13:22:00 <jguk> DO
 92 2012-03-07 13:22:03 <jguk> I
 93 2012-03-07 13:22:09 <jguk> BITCOINS?
 94 2012-03-07 13:22:14 <JFK911> 1. buy moneypak
 95 2012-03-07 13:22:16 <jguk> WTF
 96 2012-03-07 13:22:18 <jguk> BITCOINS
 97 2012-03-07 13:22:19 <JFK911> 2. send me code
 98 2012-03-07 13:22:34 <jguk> send you the code?
 99 2012-03-07 13:22:49 <JFK911> rather put cash in mail?
100 2012-03-07 13:22:59 <jguk> fuck you
101 2012-03-07 13:23:00 <jguk> FUCK
102 2012-03-07 13:23:02 <jguk> YOU
103 2012-03-07 13:23:13 <JFK911> nono
104 2012-03-07 13:23:17 <JFK911> fuck ME AND MY BITCOINS
105 2012-03-07 13:23:24 <jguk> i fucking hate this bitcoin
106 2012-03-07 13:23:43 <jguk> i'll only trade paypal
107 2012-03-07 13:23:48 <jguk> i just want authentication
108 2012-03-07 13:23:49 <JFK911> how often do you buy things you hate?
109 2012-03-07 13:24:02 <JFK911> do you like poo?
110 2012-03-07 13:24:04 <jguk> its a means to an end
111 2012-03-07 13:24:11 <jguk> a seller won't accept anything else
112 2012-03-07 13:24:43 <jguk> ugh
113 2012-03-07 13:25:00 <jguk> fucking twat seller
114 2012-03-07 13:25:08 <jguk> lets me take all the risk
115 2012-03-07 13:25:12 <jguk> just so he can go untraceable
116 2012-03-07 13:25:14 <jguk> fucking cunt
117 2012-03-07 13:25:23 <jguk> FUCK!
118 2012-03-07 13:25:37 <JFK911> how many bitcoins does a twat cost?
119 2012-03-07 13:25:39 <JFK911> is it underage?
120 2012-03-07 13:25:46 <jguk> i hope bitcoin goes bust very soon
121 2012-03-07 13:25:51 <JFK911> oh thats why you need bitcoins
122 2012-03-07 13:25:52 <jguk> fuck you
123 2012-03-07 13:25:59 <jguk> you sad little bitcoin collecting fuck
124 2012-03-07 13:26:13 <jguk> i bet you sit there with your bitcoins
125 2012-03-07 13:26:16 <jguk> counting them all day
126 2012-03-07 13:26:23 <jguk> while masturbating into a rag
127 2012-03-07 13:26:25 <JFK911> i put them in my bathtub and swim among them
128 2012-03-07 13:26:28 <JFK911> and really
129 2012-03-07 13:26:33 <JFK911> i dont feel very sad at all when i do it
130 2012-03-07 13:26:40 <jguk> seriously
131 2012-03-07 13:26:48 <JFK911> it's like vertigo
132 2012-03-07 13:26:49 <jguk> can no one give me any advice
133 2012-03-07 13:26:55 <jguk> im getting very stressed
134 2012-03-07 13:27:40 <luke-jr> jguk: I advise you to clean up your life, convert to Catholicism, and save your soul.
135 2012-03-07 13:28:28 <jguk> i advise you to shut the fuck up
136 2012-03-07 13:28:37 <jguk> unless you have any constructive information
137 2012-03-07 13:29:03 <luke-jr> you asked.
138 2012-03-07 13:29:09 <sturles> jguk: There are plenty of services selling bitcoins without involving PGP at all.
139 2012-03-07 13:29:12 <JFK911> possession of constructive information is not luke-jr's default state
140 2012-03-07 13:30:05 <jguk> such as ebay?
141 2012-03-07 13:30:10 <Graet> http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/GPG_authentication is a guide, -dev isnt really about pgp and trading
142 2012-03-07 13:30:10 <sturles> jguk: PayPal has a tendency to shut down the accounts of bitcoin sellers, stealing their money, so you'll have a hard time _and_ pay a large premium to buy coins via PayPal.
143 2012-03-07 13:30:19 <jguk> i looked at ebay but they want a 4-6 day verification process
144 2012-03-07 13:30:33 <jguk> bollocks
145 2012-03-07 13:30:43 <jguk> how about alertpay?
146 2012-03-07 13:30:52 <jguk> bitcoin seems so convoluted
147 2012-03-07 13:31:04 <Graet> you seems so angry.....
148 2012-03-07 13:31:15 <jguk> i am angry
149 2012-03-07 13:31:24 <luke-jr> jguk: Bitcoin is real money. You're going to have a hard time getting it with fake money like PayPal and credit cards.
150 2012-03-07 13:31:37 <Graet> shouting and swearing at ppl isnt a good way to gtet help....
151 2012-03-07 13:31:39 <luke-jr> jguk: try buying it with other real money, like cash
152 2012-03-07 13:31:40 <jguk> i use a debit card with paypal
153 2012-03-07 13:31:48 <luke-jr> debit cards are fake too
154 2012-03-07 13:31:57 <jguk> cash in mail is an easy way to get scammed
155 2012-03-07 13:32:07 <Graet> paypal is easier
156 2012-03-07 13:32:16 <Graet> know what a chargeback is?
157 2012-03-07 13:32:16 <JFK911> how is cash in mail different to a bitcoin transfer?
158 2012-03-07 13:32:46 <jguk> i trust the guy im transferring the bitcoins to
159 2012-03-07 13:33:06 <jguk> i dont trust rando bitcoin sellers that want cash in mail
160 2012-03-07 13:33:24 <jguk> i also dont understand
161 2012-03-07 13:33:35 <jguk> why ebay is selling real, as in physical, bit coins
162 2012-03-07 13:33:47 <Graet> i dont trust rando bitcoin buyers that ant to use paypal and get angry about it in the develoment irc...
163 2012-03-07 13:33:50 <JFK911> that way, you can send them in the mail
164 2012-03-07 13:34:06 <JFK911> this increases anonymity of the currency
165 2012-03-07 13:34:22 <jguk> so
166 2012-03-07 13:34:28 <JFK911> aren't you going to get something in the mail for your bitcoins?
167 2012-03-07 13:34:31 <jguk> if you can send them in the mail
168 2012-03-07 13:34:49 <jguk> ohhh
169 2012-03-07 13:34:56 <jguk> so if this guy wants bitcoins
170 2012-03-07 13:35:03 <jguk> i could send him physical bitcoins?
171 2012-03-07 13:35:10 <Graet> yes
172 2012-03-07 13:35:13 <jguk> fuckin a
173 2012-03-07 13:35:13 <luke-jr> if he's willing to give you his address
174 2012-03-07 13:35:16 <luke-jr> I wouldn't.
175 2012-03-07 13:35:18 <jguk> thank you :)
176 2012-03-07 13:35:24 <JFK911> if he trusts you enough to give you an address.
177 2012-03-07 13:35:27 <jguk> oh yea
178 2012-03-07 13:35:34 <jguk> he wont give me his address
179 2012-03-07 13:35:42 <jguk> he is a drug dealer
180 2012-03-07 13:35:51 <luke-jr> then go away.
181 2012-03-07 13:36:06 <jguk> i thought that was wht bitcoin was for
182 2012-03-07 13:36:09 <luke-jr> no
183 2012-03-07 13:36:12 <luke-jr> Bitcoin is for LEGAL use
184 2012-03-07 13:36:21 <jguk> so why so secretive?
185 2012-03-07 13:36:23 <JFK911> you have just admitted that you want to buy drugs in a permanent log
186 2012-03-07 13:36:30 <Graet> wow talk about major fail
187 2012-03-07 13:36:31 <luke-jr> jguk: nobody secretive here.
188 2012-03-07 13:36:33 <Graet> lmao
189 2012-03-07 13:36:41 <JFK911> your ip address is also in the same log
190 2012-03-07 13:36:42 <luke-jr> JFK911: he's not using Tor either
191 2012-03-07 13:36:57 <luke-jr> who wants to tell the DEA on him?
192 2012-03-07 13:37:13 <Graet> 'he doesnt have any drugs yet
193 2012-03-07 13:37:14 <jguk> yesh
194 2012-03-07 13:37:15 <Graet> no point
195 2012-03-07 13:37:15 <helo> lol
196 2012-03-07 13:37:27 <jguk> the dea?
197 2012-03-07 13:37:42 <Graet> some american thinh jguk
198 2012-03-07 13:37:42 <jguk> who they
199 2012-03-07 13:37:43 <luke-jr> Graet: true, he's in UK
200 2012-03-07 13:37:47 <luke-jr> what's the UK equivalent?
201 2012-03-07 13:37:56 <Graet> scotland yard?
202 2012-03-07 13:37:56 <jguk> we have
203 2012-03-07 13:38:01 <Graet> lol
204 2012-03-07 13:38:03 <jrmithdobbs> just say popo
205 2012-03-07 13:38:03 <luke-jr> Scotland Yard does drugs?
206 2012-03-07 13:38:07 <jrmithdobbs> that's universal enough
207 2012-03-07 13:38:10 <jguk> nah we have some bs sector
208 2012-03-07 13:38:15 <jguk> SOCA
209 2012-03-07 13:38:26 <jguk> serious organised crime something
210 2012-03-07 13:38:31 <jguk> they are useless
211 2012-03-07 13:38:35 <jrmithdobbs> also, they care about the people selling not buying, duh
212 2012-03-07 13:38:42 <ziglir> SOCA is all on drugs anyway
213 2012-03-07 13:38:46 <ziglir> they are all high
214 2012-03-07 13:38:54 <jguk> ok thanks for the help anyway
215 2012-03-07 13:38:58 <jguk> sorry for shouting
216 2012-03-07 13:39:06 <Graet> someone has to burn them after confiscation ziglir
217 2012-03-07 13:39:08 <jguk> i was annoyed
218 2012-03-07 13:39:50 <luke-jr> you know, technically he could have bought some physical bitcoins and redeemed them himself
219 2012-03-07 13:39:57 <luke-jr> <.<
220 2012-03-07 13:40:00 <helo> hopefully his name isn't jon grant...
221 2012-03-07 13:41:22 <JFK911> cant everyone in europe giro money into bitcoins anyway?
222 2012-03-07 13:41:41 <JFK911> what are the barriers to this?  not being old enough to be a bank customer?
223 2012-03-07 13:42:09 <sipa> sending money to mtgox via sepa is free for me
224 2012-03-07 14:13:20 <davout> o hai
225 2012-03-07 14:48:09 <davout> justmoon: ping
226 2012-03-07 15:17:22 <jrmithdobbs> anyone worked with libs using pkg-config much? i'm trying to decide if this is a bug i should report
227 2012-03-07 15:17:39 <luke-jr> &
228 2012-03-07 15:17:41 <jrmithdobbs> this lib builds with -pthread on certain platforms because it links against libusb which links pthread
229 2012-03-07 15:17:58 <jrmithdobbs> but in pkg-config --libs; and pkg-config --libs-only-other; is not include -pthreads
230 2012-03-07 15:18:10 <jrmithdobbs> which is fine on most platforms since the autotools deps shit will sort it out
231 2012-03-07 15:18:19 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: just because libusb links to a lib doesn't mean libfoo does
232 2012-03-07 15:18:40 <jrmithdobbs> but on some (so far openbsd and netbsd) it doesn't resolve the dep because pkg-config doesn't add -pthread
233 2012-03-07 15:19:06 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: then BSD is buggy?
234 2012-03-07 15:19:10 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: well, in this case the lib in queston explicitly links against pthread and actually uses it so using portions of the lib require resolving pthread symbols
235 2012-03-07 15:19:32 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: in short: *i do* need to be linking against pthread but pkg-config isn't telling me this
236 2012-03-07 15:19:41 <jrmithdobbs> that's a bug in that lib's pkg-config isn't it?
237 2012-03-07 15:19:45 <luke-jr> wait
238 2012-03-07 15:19:52 <luke-jr> so your libfoo *does* use pthread?
239 2012-03-07 15:19:56 <jrmithdobbs> yes
240 2012-03-07 15:20:14 <jrmithdobbs> but pkg-config doesn't indicate this (and -pthread isn't necessary on all platforms to link the threading impl)
241 2012-03-07 15:21:10 <jrmithdobbs> my code is an app using libfoo, pkg-config --libs foo; nor pkg-config --libs-only-other foo; are giving me the -pthread LDFLAG
242 2012-03-07 16:16:17 <libcoin> I just noticed an annoyance in block 170050
243 2012-03-07 16:16:45 <libcoin> there is a coin spend before generated
244 2012-03-07 16:16:48 <libcoin> http://blockchain.info/address/27d35a0d468daaceb7a93b2441fed3d3035021c7
245 2012-03-07 16:17:56 <libcoin> It caused some of my code to crash - guess I should not assume that transactions in a block is always ordered to avoid negative value
246 2012-03-07 16:19:00 <libcoin> (however, scanning the entire blockchain, it is the first time the script crashed / guess it is also the first time happend?)
247 2012-03-07 16:20:24 <helo> hmm... "Last block received was generated %n second ago." in tooltip
248 2012-03-07 17:10:28 <diki> BlueMatt:I used gdb on bitcoin-qt and mined quite a lot with no trouble, but as gdb was taking too much memory I switched back to old bitcoind
249 2012-03-07 17:11:00 <diki> Now I am trying to run it again, however all I get is: http://pastebin.com/JJJt3WGW
250 2012-03-07 17:11:20 <BlueMatt> can you type bt in the prompt?
251 2012-03-07 17:12:21 <diki> this is what I get http://pastebin.com/Y7VUi262
252 2012-03-07 17:15:02 <BlueMatt> arg, thats useless as hell...
253 2012-03-07 17:15:22 <BlueMatt> damn boost
254 2012-03-07 17:15:54 <BlueMatt> I have no idea what to do about it, all the backtraces Ive seen for any of these windows crashes have been just as useless
255 2012-03-07 17:16:35 <diki> Last time I ran it through gdb it worked
256 2012-03-07 17:16:43 <diki> I've no idea why it doesnt right now
257 2012-03-07 17:17:10 <diki> And the error with the crash occurs ONLY when using it with PSJ
258 2012-03-07 17:17:17 <diki> at random times
259 2012-03-07 17:17:36 <diki> It could run for days with no problems, but once they start...there is no end to them
260 2012-03-07 17:18:15 <BlueMatt> have you tried p2pool?
261 2012-03-07 17:18:26 <diki> I solo
262 2012-03-07 17:18:32 <diki> Well, merge mine solo
263 2012-03-07 17:18:38 <diki> and psj is the only capable of this
264 2012-03-07 17:18:46 <diki> until diablo OR luke create their pool server
265 2012-03-07 17:18:54 <BlueMatt> just wondering, Ive heard of lots of crashes with p2pool too
266 2012-03-07 17:19:08 <BlueMatt> or atleast similar ones
267 2012-03-07 17:19:25 <diki> only on windows?
268 2012-03-07 17:20:02 <BlueMatt> yea
269 2012-03-07 17:20:33 <diki> all of my bitcoinD crashes only have this: what():  std::bad_cast
270 2012-03-07 17:20:45 <Graet> diki, ecoinpool is capable of this
271 2012-03-07 17:22:12 <diki> But it is still in development by luke, I believe
272 2012-03-07 17:22:20 <diki> or is it production stable>
273 2012-03-07 17:22:34 <diki> s/stable/ready
274 2012-03-07 17:25:01 <Graet> um ecoinpool isnt luke
275 2012-03-07 17:25:18 <Graet> i think ozcoin is the only pool using it in production
276 2012-03-07 17:25:20 <diki> Hmm, I vaguely remember him coding his own pool
277 2012-03-07 17:25:31 <diki> and it was strikingly similar to ecoinpool
278 2012-03-07 17:25:36 <Graet> eliopool or somethingh
279 2012-03-07 17:25:38 <diki> in terms of names
280 2012-03-07 17:25:44 <diki> Ah, it is possible
281 2012-03-07 17:31:03 <diki> BlueMatt:Can you provide me with a headless bitcoin debug exe so that I can be as close as possible to the original bitcoind
282 2012-03-07 17:33:54 <BlueMatt> uh, yea...give me a few hours though (Im about to go eat)
283 2012-03-07 17:38:58 <diki> Sure no problem
284 2012-03-07 17:54:44 <makomk> libcoin: the only remarkable thing I can see about block 170050 is that there was another version of it that was orphaned...
285 2012-03-07 18:25:39 <mcorlett> Issues with 0.6 (RC1 confirmed): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=63165.msg788832#msg788832
286 2012-03-07 18:26:18 <luke-jr> interesting
287 2012-03-07 18:26:32 <luke-jr> mcorlett: you didn't restart it yet, did you?
288 2012-03-07 18:26:38 <luke-jr> if not, please don't yet
289 2012-03-07 18:27:22 <mcorlett> luke-jr: Your wish is my command.
290 2012-03-07 18:27:33 <luke-jr> mcorlett: could you pastebin the last few pages of your debug.log?
291 2012-03-07 18:27:39 <mcorlett> On it.
292 2012-03-07 18:31:43 <mcorlett> luke-jr: Didn't know where to start it: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=8hvP0Byq
293 2012-03-07 18:32:49 <mcorlett> From what I can tell, it gets stuck at height 170059 because of VerifySignature failing.
294 2012-03-07 18:33:36 <libcoin> I am also stuck at 170059
295 2012-03-07 18:33:49 <libcoin> (but using libcoin...)
296 2012-03-07 18:34:54 <luke-jr> hmm
297 2012-03-07 18:35:20 <libcoin> same error though
298 2012-03-07 18:35:24 <libcoin> and also the tried to spend coinbase at depth 90
299 2012-03-07 18:35:39 <mcorlett> luke-jr: Let's hear it straight from the horse's mouth.
300 2012-03-07 18:42:42 <luke-jr> oh duh
301 2012-03-07 18:42:53 <luke-jr> BIP 16
302 2012-03-07 18:43:17 <mcorlett> kjj reports RC2 is working fine.
303 2012-03-07 18:43:20 <luke-jr> yes
304 2012-03-07 18:43:22 <gmaxwell> hah. ah the older RC's still have the old dates.
305 2012-03-07 18:43:22 <luke-jr> it would
306 2012-03-07 18:43:32 <luke-jr> mcorlett: someone exploited an inactive BIP 16
307 2012-03-07 18:43:35 <BlueMatt> thats probably the problem them
308 2012-03-07 18:43:41 <BlueMatt> s/them/then/
309 2012-03-07 18:43:42 <luke-jr> rc1 activated it
310 2012-03-07 18:44:05 <mcorlett> I see. Isn't there a flag to set this date?
311 2012-03-07 18:44:13 <gmaxwell> Yes.
312 2012-03-07 18:44:35 <gmaxwell> "If you're already supporting BIP16, restart bitcoind with the argument: -paytoscripthashtime=1333238400"
313 2012-03-07 18:48:02 <libcoin> gmaxwell: I don't think that is the culprit (I integrated BIP16 into libcoin and have strictPayToScriptHash=false until I have time to go over it all once again)
314 2012-03-07 18:48:21 <luke-jr> libcoin: should've done BIP 17 instead :<
315 2012-03-07 18:48:45 <libcoin> ;)
316 2012-03-07 18:48:46 <luke-jr> libcoin: anyhow, I looked at the transactions involved, and that is indeed the problem
317 2012-03-07 18:49:13 <libcoin> OK,thanks,  then I will go over my code and check if I did actually enabled it
318 2012-03-07 18:49:23 <luke-jr> though I'm not certain it's an invalid BIP16 txn& if it's valid, then there's a bug in the BIP 16 impl
319 2012-03-07 18:49:52 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: can gitian build with -j1 ? :p
320 2012-03-07 18:50:52 <libcoin> bool connectInputs(const Transaction& tx, std::map<uint256, TxIndex>& mapTestPool, DiskTxPos posThisTx, const CBlockIndex* pindexBlock, int64& nFees, bool fBlock, bool fMiner, bool strictPayToScriptHash = true, int64 nMinFee = 0) const;
321 2012-03-07 18:51:04 <libcoin> ;) So I had it also on...
322 2012-03-07 18:51:17 <libcoin> thanks, will rebuild
323 2012-03-07 18:52:35 <libcoin> Btw - I would live a happy life without bip16 and 17 - I really think multisig is enough...
324 2012-03-07 18:52:40 <libcoin> (not trolling)
325 2012-03-07 18:54:04 <diki> luke-jr:this doesnt bode well for bitcoin
326 2012-03-07 18:54:17 <diki> as some non tech savvy guy will think that anyone can arbitrarily steal coins
327 2012-03-07 18:54:44 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: sure
328 2012-03-07 18:55:12 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: just call gbuild with -j1
329 2012-03-07 18:55:18 <BlueMatt> or maybe it only will accept -j 1
330 2012-03-07 18:56:09 <luke-jr> libcoin: multisig isn't "enough" when you consider the need of "killer apps" for Bitcoin
331 2012-03-07 18:56:43 <luke-jr> libcoin: many-N multisig (hidden behind P2SH) enable all sorts of ways to prevent embezzelment in a corporate structure, for instance
332 2012-03-07 18:57:57 <luke-jr> libcoin: without P2SH, you'd have insanely long addresses for large non-standard transactions that people simply would *not* send to
333 2012-03-07 18:57:59 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: what is bip16/17 (short desc) again?
334 2012-03-07 18:58:13 <libcoin> I withdraw my comment - I don't mind the idea, I just think that the killer apps lies in something else than qr-codes
335 2012-03-07 18:58:16 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: moving scriptPubKey to the redemption side, basically
336 2012-03-07 18:58:28 <jrmithdobbs> ah
337 2012-03-07 18:58:28 <luke-jr> libcoin: P2SH isn't QR Codes :p
338 2012-03-07 18:58:35 <libcoin> but - I withdraw my comment - it did ended up as a troll
339 2012-03-07 18:59:07 <luke-jr> it also opens up doors in the future
340 2012-03-07 18:59:38 <libcoin> well, yes it is about qr codes - how to compress 3 pubkeyhashes into a few bytes, but I agree that it opens a door
341 2012-03-07 19:00:11 <luke-jr> libcoin: it could be 50 ;)
342 2012-03-07 19:00:22 <luke-jr> and part of a URI
343 2012-03-07 19:00:35 <luke-jr> that won't fit in an email without P2SH
344 2012-03-07 19:01:18 <[eval]> luke-jr: that's one of the exciting things about multisig IMO... the idea that companies can force approval over funds spending, or even set things up so that companies that list shares/bonds on a certain market agree to that market's oversight by accepting all funds to and paying all expenditures through a multisig address
345 2012-03-07 19:01:33 <luke-jr> perhaps even use a variable-length ID and sort them by how common
346 2012-03-07 19:01:37 <[eval]> free-market self-regulation will be possible :>
347 2012-03-07 19:02:02 <jrmithdobbs> no it wont
348 2012-03-07 19:02:10 <jrmithdobbs> but that's a political not technical discussion ;p
349 2012-03-07 19:02:14 <libcoin> I dont buy the email argument, you can have it in an uri - there is room enough
350 2012-03-07 19:02:30 <libcoin> you could have an entire transaction there
351 2012-03-07 19:02:36 <luke-jr> libcoin: emails can't reasonably have lines longer than ~73 chars
352 2012-03-07 19:02:46 <jrmithdobbs> libcoin: there is not room in a uri for an M-of-N key where N > approx 5-6
353 2012-03-07 19:02:55 <jrmithdobbs> (i'd have to count to get the actual limit)
354 2012-03-07 19:03:38 <jrmithdobbs> libcoin: there are hard limits on these things, they're just big enough you don't think about them often
355 2012-03-07 19:03:55 <jrmithdobbs> the email one is a misnomer since that's mostly just a crappy client wordwrapping issue
356 2012-03-07 19:04:12 <jrmithdobbs> and can be work around with html email if you really need it clickable anyways
357 2012-03-07 19:04:18 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: HTML email is considered bad practice
358 2012-03-07 19:04:23 <jrmithdobbs> by you
359 2012-03-07 19:04:45 <jrmithdobbs> but wordwrapping of clients wont matter for this use, that's a contrived case from someone that's not had to handle email processing in the real world ;p
360 2012-03-07 19:04:53 <luke-jr> by most people
361 2012-03-07 19:05:08 <jrmithdobbs> most people's clients wont wrap lines without whitespace
362 2012-03-07 19:05:11 <jrmithdobbs> if you actually go test
363 2012-03-07 19:05:40 <jrmithdobbs> the uri one is a good example though
364 2012-03-07 19:06:09 <jrmithdobbs> but then, I just see zero benefit in making people using ancient email client's lives easier, heh
365 2012-03-07 19:07:02 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: or people with disabilities?
366 2012-03-07 19:07:18 <libcoin> you can have quite long urls, so it would work, but they are not nice in an email, but I still don't think that is the road towards a killer app - to copy and paste 34 chars from one app to the other
367 2012-03-07 19:07:34 <luke-jr> http://www.asciiribbon.org/
368 2012-03-07 19:08:53 <libcoin> luke-jr: I agree with you on sending text/plain emails, but I would say that rich/html emails are very successful ...
369 2012-03-07 19:09:01 <libcoin> I get them all the time
370 2012-03-07 19:10:41 <libcoin> (btw: I am up 2 date again - block 17084 after a proper reorganize)
371 2012-03-07 19:11:56 <libcoin> (but why did we get stuck at 17059 in the first place - the longer chain should have should have won...)
372 2012-03-07 19:16:06 <libcoin> (170084 that is...)
373 2012-03-07 19:16:52 <luke-jr> that's true
374 2012-03-07 19:17:31 <luke-jr> libcoin: but the longer chain has the invalid BIP 16 txn
375 2012-03-07 19:18:19 <libcoin> luke-jr: how - the rest of the network would have rejected it - so no more blocks in that
376 2012-03-07 19:19:14 <luke-jr> libcoin: no, the network is fine with it
377 2012-03-07 19:19:18 <luke-jr> libcoin: nobody is enforcing BIP 16
378 2012-03-07 19:19:21 <luke-jr> no miners*
379 2012-03-07 19:23:41 <libcoin> Ahh - had a look at "VerifyScript" you are right - we can actually do P2SH now, but the extra (BIP16) validation is off
380 2012-03-07 19:24:32 <jrmithdobbs> libcoin: there's actually a hard limits on uri length in the real world
381 2012-03-07 19:24:34 <jrmithdobbs> libcoin: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/417142/what-is-the-maximum-length-of-a-url
382 2012-03-07 19:24:45 <jrmithdobbs> it apparently currently stands at 2083 bytes
383 2012-03-07 19:24:53 <jrmithdobbs> as of dec 2011
384 2012-03-07 19:25:05 <jrmithdobbs> so it really is necessary for m-of-n sigs
385 2012-03-07 19:26:58 <libcoin> jrmithdobbs: yes, but I would still consider that "a lot"
386 2012-03-07 19:27:20 <jrmithdobbs> depending on which scheme that's what M-of-20ish limit?
387 2012-03-07 19:27:22 <jrmithdobbs> that's pretty limiting
388 2012-03-07 19:27:44 <libcoin> but a for a 2 of 3, it would have been pretty doable
389 2012-03-07 19:28:36 <libcoin> anyway - P2SH opens a door, which is probably good
390 2012-03-07 19:40:34 <gavinandresen> luke-jr: please stop spreading FUD about BIP16:  re: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=63165.msg788945#msg788945
391 2012-03-07 19:41:15 <gavinandresen> The only way you can use P2SH with rc1 is if you hack the code to remove the if (!fTestNet) condition from addmultisigaddress
392 2012-03-07 19:41:37 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: I didn't say rc1 allowed the creation of the transaction.
393 2012-03-07 19:41:49 <gavinandresen> No, you said "somebody got 0.004 bitcoins stolen"
394 2012-03-07 19:41:53 <luke-jr> they did.
395 2012-03-07 19:42:01 <luke-jr> at least as far as I can see.
396 2012-03-07 19:42:13 <gavinandresen> ... and the only way that happened is if they knew enough to hack the client to remove that safeguard
397 2012-03-07 19:42:17 <gmaxwell> more likely the person who put in the bogus spending traction also created the 0.004 one.
398 2012-03-07 19:42:19 <luke-jr> yes
399 2012-03-07 19:42:21 <luke-jr> I'll clarify that
400 2012-03-07 19:43:07 <gavinandresen> Thank you.  Also re: "forcing" BIP16:  rc1 includes BIP16 support so solo/p2pool miners have binaries to keep up with the big pools
401 2012-03-07 19:43:36 <gavinandresen> If there was no binary release with BIP16 support, then they'd be vulnerable when the big pools finally switch to BIP16 support
402 2012-03-07 19:43:46 <luke-jr> same goes for BIP 17
403 2012-03-07 19:44:18 <luke-jr> nothing stops non-mainline binaries
404 2012-03-07 19:44:31 <ageis> on a sidenote, interesting email from github re: ssh keys
405 2012-03-07 19:44:34 <gavinandresen> Speaking of BIP17... did it ever occur to you that the people who privately asked you to keep supporting it might not have the best interests of bitcoin at heart?
406 2012-03-07 19:45:33 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: I try to always presume people have good intentions until there is evidence otherwise.
407 2012-03-07 19:46:10 <luke-jr> and regardless of their reasoning for the support, the fact is they have come to the correct conclusion
408 2012-03-07 20:04:30 <diki> zomg
409 2012-03-07 20:04:32 <diki> new error
410 2012-03-07 20:04:43 <jrmithdobbs> bet it's related to same root error
411 2012-03-07 20:04:50 <diki> http://pastebin.com/AymNdYxy
412 2012-03-07 20:04:52 <jrmithdobbs> namely: diki at keyboard
413 2012-03-07 20:05:14 <diki> BlueMatt:this is the first time the error is different
414 2012-03-07 20:09:12 <diki> I thought I saw a fly, but it was just jrmithdobbs, nothing to see here folks
415 2012-03-07 20:12:03 <[eval]> are you trying to build boost?
416 2012-03-07 20:12:07 <[eval]> or bitcoin?
417 2012-03-07 20:12:11 <diki> none
418 2012-03-07 20:12:15 <[eval]> hrm, nm
419 2012-03-07 20:12:16 <diki> that is a crash of bitcoin
420 2012-03-07 20:12:23 <[eval]> sorry, i derped
421 2012-03-07 20:13:29 <libcoin> And does bitcoin use boost serialization ? (not as far as I know of...)
422 2012-03-07 20:14:06 <libcoin> the error is due to some serialization stuff from boost
423 2012-03-07 20:14:10 <luke-jr> O.o
424 2012-03-07 20:14:17 <jrmithdobbs> libcoin: yes it does
425 2012-03-07 20:14:18 <luke-jr> oh
426 2012-03-07 20:14:20 <luke-jr> maybe for JSON
427 2012-03-07 20:14:21 <jrmithdobbs> it's hidden by macros
428 2012-03-07 20:15:34 <libcoin> what is it that bitcoin uses from boost that again uses serialization.hpp
429 2012-03-07 20:16:02 <jrmithdobbs> grep for SERIAL
430 2012-03-07 20:16:06 <jrmithdobbs> iirc
431 2012-03-07 20:19:55 <libcoin> well, serialization.h (IMPLEMENT_SERIALIZE) is the only stuff I get in bitcoin, but that is not boost serialization - or did you mean grep boost for SERIAL ?
432 2012-03-07 20:22:53 <libcoin> (well, somehow bitcoin has to use optional.hpp if you get that boost error, but I am considering you might have something wrong with your boost setup)
433 2012-03-07 20:36:13 <helo> is there a p2sh address generator tool?
434 2012-03-07 20:45:34 <luke-jr> helo: 0.6 and next-test has one
435 2012-03-07 20:45:53 <luke-jr> libcoin: I think the JSON code uses boost
436 2012-03-07 20:45:59 <helo> neat :D
437 2012-03-07 20:46:04 <BlueMatt> diki: I dont know that its not the same error, I have a feeling it is some weird corruption somewhere that manifests it in one of a ton of different ways
438 2012-03-07 20:46:15 <BlueMatt> (which is why it often is very different in gdb, etc)
439 2012-03-07 20:46:20 <BlueMatt> does valgrind run on win32?
440 2012-03-07 20:48:00 <diki> doesnt appear to
441 2012-03-07 20:48:12 <BlueMatt> damn...
442 2012-03-07 20:48:48 <BlueMatt> anyone have too much time on their hands and feel like running bitcoin in something found here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/413477/is-there-a-good-valgrind-substitute-for-windows
443 2012-03-07 20:49:03 <BlueMatt> (if any are anything like valgrind that would mean a ton of time...)
444 2012-03-07 20:49:59 <helo> luke-jr: how flexible is it? i.e. what kinds of templates does it offer?
445 2012-03-07 20:50:44 <luke-jr> helo: no idea
446 2012-03-07 20:53:51 <diki> is it posssible to disable debug log?
447 2012-03-07 20:54:20 <diki> Since PSJ often queries bitcoin about block count, it is often logged in the log
448 2012-03-07 20:54:47 <diki> I've noticed that as the log gets bigger, the crashes intensify
449 2012-03-07 20:55:02 <BlueMatt> really...
450 2012-03-07 20:55:13 <BlueMatt> are you sure its not a function of how long bitcoin has been running
451 2012-03-07 20:55:19 <diki> bope
452 2012-03-07 20:55:21 <diki> *nope
453 2012-03-07 20:55:33 <diki> It can happen from anywhere between days, and half an hour
454 2012-03-07 20:55:38 <BlueMatt> :(
455 2012-03-07 20:56:16 <BlueMatt> well running with valgrind under wine doesnt really help, it gets a ton off issues from wine itself...
456 2012-03-07 20:56:25 <diki> however the last crash was different
457 2012-03-07 20:56:35 <BlueMatt> how?
458 2012-03-07 20:56:50 <diki> Well, instead of std::bad_cast
459 2012-03-07 20:56:55 <diki> it said something about assertion failed
460 2012-03-07 20:58:03 <BlueMatt> hmm...
461 2012-03-07 20:59:42 <BlueMatt> YAY :):):), got it to crash in valgrind
462 2012-03-07 20:59:54 <BlueMatt> now I just have to see if I can tell wtf is going on...
463 2012-03-07 21:01:33 <BlueMatt> anyone bored? http://pastebin.com/L7ApX81Q
464 2012-03-07 21:03:03 <forsetifox> Wow. Crazy errors. LOL
465 2012-03-07 21:08:18 <DrHaribo> Safe mode: WARNING: Displayed transactions may not be correct!  You may need to upgrade, or other nodes may need to upgrade.
466 2012-03-07 21:08:26 <DrHaribo> Anyone else seeing this? (bitcoind 0.6rc2)
467 2012-03-07 21:08:37 <diki> yes
468 2012-03-07 21:08:41 <diki> its a known bug
469 2012-03-07 21:08:55 <DrHaribo> What's the fix? Downgrade?
470 2012-03-07 21:09:01 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: why did you do that without debug symbols?
471 2012-03-07 21:09:15 <BlueMatt> jrmithdobbs: it has debug symbols :(
472 2012-03-07 21:09:30 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: only for system not for bitcoin
473 2012-03-07 21:09:31 <BlueMatt> rc2? that should only be on rc1 I though?
474 2012-03-07 21:09:44 <BlueMatt> jrmithdobbs: nope, it has them in bitcoin, Im looking into why its not showing them atm...
475 2012-03-07 21:09:59 <BlueMatt> oh, wait no it doesnt, wtf?
476 2012-03-07 21:10:07 <BlueMatt> I guess I was running the wrong build...
477 2012-03-07 21:10:17 <jrmithdobbs> suck
478 2012-03-07 21:10:24 <BlueMatt> sorry...
479 2012-03-07 21:10:33 <mcorlett> DrHaribo: Are you sure you're on RC2?
480 2012-03-07 21:10:35 <jrmithdobbs> no i mean that in general, sucks when you do that
481 2012-03-07 21:10:36 <jrmithdobbs> heh
482 2012-03-07 21:10:40 <jrmithdobbs> not *you*
483 2012-03-07 21:10:51 <BlueMatt> well, I messed up either way...anyway, one sec rebuilding...
484 2012-03-07 21:12:02 <BlueMatt> also, damn that thing crashed hard, just a few getinfos and one getwork
485 2012-03-07 21:13:22 <DrHaribo> I did "git checkout v0.6.0rc2" and compiled
486 2012-03-07 21:13:29 <BlueMatt> wtf?
487 2012-03-07 21:14:00 <luke-jr> DrHaribo: next time do "git checkout next-test" :P
488 2012-03-07 21:14:34 <BlueMatt> DrHaribo: does debug.log show anything useful?
489 2012-03-07 21:15:05 <DrHaribo> luke-jr: What's next-test for?
490 2012-03-07 21:15:21 <DrHaribo> will check log..
491 2012-03-07 21:15:34 <luke-jr> DrHaribo: git master + mostly usable pull requests that need testing
492 2012-03-07 21:15:55 <luke-jr> (and if you're worried about stability, you really shouldn't be using RCs either :P)
493 2012-03-07 21:16:34 <DrHaribo> Yeah, debug.log has some stuff about invalid chain found
494 2012-03-07 21:17:11 <luke-jr> DrHaribo: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=63165.msg788945#msg788945
495 2012-03-07 21:17:40 <BlueMatt> arg, the debug version wont even load...
496 2012-03-07 21:17:48 <BlueMatt> (in valgrind)
497 2012-03-07 21:17:55 <BlueMatt> (but it still crashes happily with getworks)
498 2012-03-07 21:17:57 <DrHaribo> reoganize failed... looks like the longest chain is deemed invalid
499 2012-03-07 21:18:14 <luke-jr> DrHaribo: see link
500 2012-03-07 21:20:06 <BlueMatt> DrHaribo: can you load with -checkblocks ?
501 2012-03-07 21:22:44 <DrHaribo> Somehow I missed this thing with -paytoscripthashtime=1333238400
502 2012-03-07 21:22:49 <DrHaribo> Works fine when started with that
503 2012-03-07 21:23:09 <Diablo-D3> http://adterrasperaspera.com/images/applesucks.jpg
504 2012-03-07 21:23:17 <BlueMatt> ah, ok good to hear
505 2012-03-07 21:23:49 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: and you expect apple to test their website with anything other than safari because...? obviously thats all anyone in the world uses
506 2012-03-07 21:24:08 <DrHaribo> luke-jr: Thanks! :)
507 2012-03-07 21:24:24 <luke-jr> DrHaribo: next step is to upgrade to BIP 17 <.<
508 2012-03-07 21:25:25 <Diablo-D3> lol
509 2012-03-07 21:25:25 <DrHaribo> Is there any point having both?
510 2012-03-07 21:25:52 <DrHaribo> Well, I guess Tycho will decide what it will be ;)
511 2012-03-07 21:26:40 <Eliel> if tycho goes BIP17, then we'll have a stalemate sort of :P
512 2012-03-07 21:28:26 <diki> another issue I experience often is when I start bitcoind...even though it is specifically in server mode, it fails to connect to the RPC server
513 2012-03-07 21:32:01 <jrmithdobbs> hopefully he wont
514 2012-03-07 21:32:33 <BlueMatt> hopefully he does *something* soon...
515 2012-03-07 21:32:37 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: haha, lots of shit breaks in unbranded firefox builds, why are you shocked by that
516 2012-03-07 21:34:38 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: wtf is this empty bip18 crap?
517 2012-03-07 21:35:00 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: are you seriously just reserving low numebered bips?
518 2012-03-07 21:35:14 <BlueMatt> hey, lets all make a rush on low-numbered bips
519 2012-03-07 21:35:20 <BlueMatt> everyone knows those are the best numbers
520 2012-03-07 21:37:29 <jrmithdobbs> ugh, good to see that the whole BIP thing has turned into tonal vs non-tonal trolling
521 2012-03-07 21:39:14 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: would you like BIP16 if we called it BIP-ton ?
522 2012-03-07 21:39:54 <Diablo-D3> jrmithdobbs: because theres no reason simple shit should break
523 2012-03-07 21:40:18 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: so tell mozilla to implement html5 better and stop crying?
524 2012-03-07 21:40:51 <Diablo-D3> why is anything on that page html5?
525 2012-03-07 21:42:27 <jrmithdobbs> they use transitions and shit
526 2012-03-07 21:42:32 <jrmithdobbs> on all their info pages
527 2012-03-07 21:42:39 <Diablo-D3> huh
528 2012-03-07 21:43:44 <Diablo-D3> its https everywhere breaking it
529 2012-03-07 21:44:23 <BlueMatt> well, Id say you can still blame apple
530 2012-03-07 21:44:30 <jrmithdobbs> oh they probably changed out a cert on the store update earlier
531 2012-03-07 21:44:50 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: more like blame broken ca model for making anyone thing ssl everywhere is a good idea
532 2012-03-07 21:44:55 <jrmithdobbs> s/thing/think/
533 2012-03-07 21:44:59 <BlueMatt> well, ok that too
534 2012-03-07 22:02:22 <luke-jr> DrHaribo: point in supporting both, is to remain neutral without opposing P2SH
535 2012-03-07 22:02:36 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: haha, no :p
536 2012-03-07 22:03:11 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: BIP 18 is reserved for a specific purpose, and has two different texts based on whether BIP 16 or BIP 17 gets adopted.
537 2012-03-07 22:03:22 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: so post both for now
538 2012-03-07 22:03:36 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: I suppose that's a possibility.
539 2012-03-07 22:03:44 <luke-jr> but then I'd have to finish writing both <.<
540 2012-03-07 22:03:53 <luke-jr> which is kinda redundant work when only one is needed
541 2012-03-07 22:04:12 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: then remove it completely and add it once it makes sense
542 2012-03-07 22:04:22 <jrmithdobbs> there's no reason to be reserving bip numbers
543 2012-03-07 22:04:39 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: it makes sense so we can continue to discuss BIP 18
544 2012-03-07 22:05:06 <jrmithdobbs> but "we" can't
545 2012-03-07 22:05:09 <jrmithdobbs> only "you" can
546 2012-03-07 22:05:12 <jrmithdobbs> because there is no bip18
547 2012-03-07 22:05:16 <luke-jr> instead of writing out "future BIP x"
548 2012-03-07 22:05:22 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: there is
549 2012-03-07 22:05:26 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: and it's been discussed before
550 2012-03-07 22:05:39 <jrmithdobbs> so put a summary or something
551 2012-03-07 22:05:42 <luke-jr> meh
552 2012-03-07 22:05:49 <jrmithdobbs> a title and nothing else is stupid
553 2012-03-07 22:06:00 <jrmithdobbs> especially with no related mailling list activity
554 2012-03-07 22:06:17 <jrmithdobbs> there is no conversation about it anywhere that's logged and not a forum run by your business partner
555 2012-03-07 22:06:30 <jrmithdobbs> well, i'm sure it's in the irc logs somewhere but that's not really searchable
556 2012-03-07 22:06:54 <jrmithdobbs> so what is bip18?
557 2012-03-07 22:07:17 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: there, happy?
558 2012-03-07 22:07:40 <jrmithdobbs> yes, actually, thank you
559 2012-03-07 22:08:12 <jrmithdobbs> can you just remove bip20 too since noone but you is ever going to vote for something with tbc? (worth a shot! heh)
560 2012-03-07 22:08:52 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: BIP 20 is an established Final standard, which BIP 21 wants to replace.
561 2012-03-07 22:09:28 <jrmithdobbs> oh it doesn't matter, missed this part: Status: Rejected
562 2012-03-07 22:09:39 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: that's a mistake.
563 2012-03-07 22:09:48 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: also, BIP 20 has nothign to do with Tonal
564 2012-03-07 22:10:22 <jrmithdobbs> yes it does
565 2012-03-07 22:11:02 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: I'm not going to feed your trolling anymore.
566 2012-03-07 22:11:36 <jrmithdobbs> yes asking for your proposal to contain words is totally trolling /rolleyes
567 2012-03-07 22:20:36 <denisx> sipa: how do you generate the hashrate distribution circle chart?
568 2012-03-07 22:28:14 <sipa> denisx: i never made no circle chart
569 2012-03-07 22:28:48 <denisx> sipa: http://static.blockchain.info/pools.png?format=png
570 2012-03-07 22:28:56 <denisx> sipa: this is not from you?
571 2012-03-07 22:29:19 <sipa> no?
572 2012-03-07 22:29:31 <sipa> it's piuk's site
573 2012-03-07 22:30:11 <denisx> ah, ok
574 2012-03-07 22:52:22 <luke-jr> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67798.0