1 2012-03-16 00:28:37 <BlueMatt> sipa: ping
  2 2012-03-16 00:41:07 <Samuel> Anyone want to see yet another concept?! (I know I keep making these, I enjoy it even if we don't use them.) http://cl.ly/1X1Q2Z1U131f3d1U1o3W
  3 2012-03-16 00:41:28 <Yeame> mhi samuel
  4 2012-03-16 00:41:41 <Samuel> Hey Yeame1
  5 2012-03-16 00:41:51 <Samuel> *Yeahme!
  6 2012-03-16 00:42:22 <gavinandresen> Samuel: needs more cowbell
  7 2012-03-16 00:42:48 <Samuel> Ok, but seriously... lol
  8 2012-03-16 00:43:21 <[Tycho]> "My Bitcoin" doesn't sounds good.
  9 2012-03-16 00:43:30 <Yeame> samuel:i like big icons on sidebar
 10 2012-03-16 00:43:38 <gavinandresen> Yeah, "My Cowbell" would be better
 11 2012-03-16 00:44:03 <Samuel> Yeame: Me too, I wanted to give the deisgn a lot of breathing room
 12 2012-03-16 00:44:16 <luke-jr> Samuel: B?? is the standard BTC symbol fyi
 13 2012-03-16 00:44:22 <luke-jr> also, I'd align the amounts
 14 2012-03-16 00:44:35 <[Tycho]> Ok, but I hope you'll make TX icons much smaller :)
 15 2012-03-16 00:45:13 <Yeame> samuel: I liked this one good, just don't like sidebar color 188.138.99.157/stuff/qtvert16.png
 16 2012-03-16 00:45:22 <luke-jr> I don't get the "cowbell" comments
 17 2012-03-16 00:45:44 <Samuel> luke-jr: its a joke from someone, forgot who
 18 2012-03-16 00:45:58 <Samuel> luke-jr: some actor I think
 19 2012-03-16 00:46:41 <Samuel> luke-jr: That symbol is really detailed... I don't get it
 20 2012-03-16 00:47:07 <Yeame> samuel: i think you could work improving the last screen link i sent you. like adding big icons, changing sidebar background color....
 21 2012-03-16 00:47:50 <Samuel> Well, thats basically what I already did
 22 2012-03-16 00:48:54 <Yeame> samuel: i like to see a mockup based on real work done by tcatm
 23 2012-03-16 00:49:03 <Yeame> but ok
 24 2012-03-16 00:50:01 <Yeame> samuel: i didn't like you last mockup. the colors. but liked big icons
 25 2012-03-16 00:50:37 <Samuel> Yeame: What color don't you like?
 26 2012-03-16 00:51:11 <Yeame> samuel: i don't like this blue
 27 2012-03-16 00:51:37 <[Tycho]> Nice colors.
 28 2012-03-16 00:51:39 <luke-jr> Yeame: colours are an OS setting
 29 2012-03-16 00:51:47 <Yeame> ok
 30 2012-03-16 00:52:23 <Samuel> I thinking a image tiled background, so the colors stay the same, cross platform
 31 2012-03-16 00:52:46 <luke-jr> Samuel: that's not cross-platform, it's forced platform.
 32 2012-03-16 00:53:11 <luke-jr> "no matter what OS you use, this program is Mac!"
 33 2012-03-16 00:53:44 <Yeame> samuel: but i liked the changes
 34 2012-03-16 00:54:19 <Samuel> luke-jr: Well you understand what I mean. I guess as a designer I find the little details extremely important, like texture instead of a solid color and drop-shadow
 35 2012-03-16 00:55:02 <Yeame> samuel: i really wanted to see the top big wallet with orange bitcoin icon. but tcatm maybe don't want or have time to code it
 36 2012-03-16 00:57:58 <Yeame> samuel: looking better now, your last mockup is a god improvement
 37 2012-03-16 00:58:02 <Yeame> good
 38 2012-03-16 00:58:05 <luke-jr> nanotube: might want to ban chk, he's setting up a botnet
 39 2012-03-16 01:00:20 <nanotube> luke-jr: what kind of botnet?
 40 2012-03-16 01:00:28 <luke-jr> nanotube: mining botnet
 41 2012-03-16 01:00:30 <Samuel> luke-jr: and my last mockup isn't Mac oriented at all, unless only good-looking apps exclusively belong to the mac. (Which is not the case because I've seen lost of greatly designed windows apps.)
 42 2012-03-16 01:00:41 <luke-jr> he was in #cgminer trying to get help building a custom version for it
 43 2012-03-16 01:00:43 <Samuel> *lots
 44 2012-03-16 01:02:25 <Yeame> samuel: probably on my linux i'll not see main window with whhite background like your ladr mockup. right?
 45 2012-03-16 01:02:56 <Yeame> samuel: will be ike this 188.138.99.157/stuff/qtvert16.png
 46 2012-03-16 01:03:01 <Yeame> ?
 47 2012-03-16 01:03:55 <Yeame> samuel: if the standard is not white background. ii think sidebar could be white
 48 2012-03-16 01:03:56 <luke-jr> Yeame: well, Samuel just draws the pictures; someone else needs to make it real
 49 2012-03-16 01:04:20 <luke-jr> I'd expect on Linux, we'll get our configured background, with the configured alternate background for the sidebar
 50 2012-03-16 02:45:10 <Slix`> Why is this channel logged?
 51 2012-03-16 02:45:28 <luke-jr> why not?
 52 2012-03-16 02:46:32 <Slix`> luke-jr: It's somewhat alarming. :P
 53 2012-03-16 02:46:39 <luke-jr> Slix`: O.o
 54 2012-03-16 02:47:05 <Slix`> Your conversation is being monitored and posted online.
 55 2012-03-16 02:51:08 <BlueMatt> its the standard for any dev channel to be logged
 56 2012-03-16 02:51:18 <BlueMatt> plus its not like most irc clients dont log by default anyway...
 57 2012-03-16 02:51:30 <BlueMatt> chances are >50% of the people idling in here are logging...
 58 2012-03-16 02:51:43 <theymos> It's nice to have a public log available.
 59 2012-03-16 02:52:28 <Slix`> Yeah, still.
 60 2012-03-16 03:00:54 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: why are you betting against Bitcoin?
 61 2012-03-16 03:01:13 <BlueMatt> what, Im not allowed to bet?
 62 2012-03-16 03:02:48 <luke-jr> that's not the problem :p
 63 2012-03-16 03:02:57 <luke-jr> I want to know why you think Bitcoin is likely to drop $1 in 24 hours
 64 2012-03-16 03:04:42 <unicron> slix`: never say anything in plaintext that you wouldn't say in public
 65 2012-03-16 03:06:40 <unicron> nobody wants to internalize paranoia but it's a good habit
 66 2012-03-16 03:11:50 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: ok, it wont go down $1, thats ridiculous, but Ive always felt bitcoin is overvalued
 67 2012-03-16 03:12:23 <BlueMatt> also, its up recently, so if we all pretend to have insider info and bet against bitcoin, it has to go down, right?
 68 2012-03-16 03:13:10 <unicron> i heard the market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent
 69 2012-03-16 03:13:26 <BlueMatt> thats probably true
 70 2012-03-16 03:13:37 <BlueMatt> actually, has always been true of bitcoin
 71 2012-03-16 03:14:27 <unicron> bitcoin would be nothing without silk road...  maybe in future it will be something despite it
 72 2012-03-16 03:14:56 <BlueMatt> I think you'd be surprised how little of bitcoin is actually silkroad
 73 2012-03-16 03:15:37 <unicron> it's not like they publish stats
 74 2012-03-16 03:15:45 <BlueMatt> true,  but Im just guessing ;)
 75 2012-03-16 03:15:49 <unicron> i just remember the price shooting up to $30 when silkroad hit the news
 76 2012-03-16 03:16:01 <unicron> obviously contraband is a killer app
 77 2012-03-16 03:16:03 <BlueMatt> it shot up to $30 when a ton of stuff hit the news
 78 2012-03-16 03:16:18 <BlueMatt> not just silkroad, but a ton of people picked it up and barely mentioned silk road in articles
 79 2012-03-16 03:16:38 <unicron> yeah but i suspect the actual demand came from drug users
 80 2012-03-16 03:16:39 <luke-jr> nobody is auditing my BIP 16 backport :<
 81 2012-03-16 03:16:49 <luke-jr> unicron: I doubt it.
 82 2012-03-16 03:17:01 <luke-jr> I've completely assimilated to Bitcoin.
 83 2012-03-16 03:17:06 <luke-jr> and I don't use drugs.
 84 2012-03-16 03:17:16 <da2ce7> lol
 85 2012-03-16 03:17:30 <BlueMatt> <luke-jr> and I don't use drugs. <-- heh
 86 2012-03-16 03:17:35 <luke-jr> that is, I'm not trying to "cash out" and I practically *expect* payment online in Bitcoins
 87 2012-03-16 03:17:41 <BlueMatt> oh, wait no your religious beliefs would have to mean you cant...
 88 2012-03-16 03:17:42 <BlueMatt> damn
 89 2012-03-16 03:18:22 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: more like solely because of the civil laws.
 90 2012-03-16 03:18:41 <luke-jr> but tbh, I'd avoid drugs even if they were legal
 91 2012-03-16 03:18:42 <unicron> hypocrites are pretty common in every domain
 92 2012-03-16 03:18:47 <luke-jr> simply because I like to be in control of my own mind
 93 2012-03-16 03:19:16 <unicron> vigilance is nice
 94 2012-03-16 03:19:34 <da2ce7> luke-jr: I like your bip 18
 95 2012-03-16 03:19:39 <luke-jr> da2ce7: I noticed.
 96 2012-03-16 03:20:47 <luke-jr> da2ce7: care to audit my backport?
 97 2012-03-16 03:20:51 <luke-jr> https://github.com/luke-jr/bitcoin/commit/b2f0b7bf64ab82cf4f8fc3cca2e3bc208e153fb0
 98 2012-03-16 03:21:16 <da2ce7> my audit won't mean much... as I'm not that good at c++
 99 2012-03-16 03:21:26 <luke-jr> da2ce7: better than no audit :<
100 2012-03-16 03:21:53 <luke-jr> I know nobody has audited it so far because I found a fairly obvious bug that nobody reported to me <.<
101 2012-03-16 03:36:54 <zargon> hello. i can't seem to get the format right on addmultisigaddress. keeps saying 'error type mismatch'. can someone give me an example
102 2012-03-16 03:48:24 <luke-jr> zargon: on testnet?
103 2012-03-16 03:49:03 <zargon> yea. i figured it out finally. you have to use brackets (even though the meaning is different for all the other rpc calls). bad doc is all
104 2012-03-16 06:06:14 <splatster> IDK if you guys will give two shits about this.
105 2012-03-16 06:06:35 <splatster> But this chan is a ghost town right now, so it can't be spam :)
106 2012-03-16 06:06:39 <copumpkin> oh god.
107 2012-03-16 06:06:47 <splatster> lol!
108 2012-03-16 06:07:09 <splatster> copumpkin: You know what I'm going to say.
109 2012-03-16 06:07:31 <splatster> copumpkin: Should I?
110 2012-03-16 06:07:41 <copumpkin> I'd say no
111 2012-03-16 06:07:50 <splatster> :/
112 2012-03-16 06:07:55 <splatster> ok then...
113 2012-03-16 07:01:01 <sipa> BlueMatt: pong
114 2012-03-16 07:21:34 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
115 2012-03-16 07:21:34 <sipa> ;;later tell VlueMatt pong
116 2012-03-16 07:22:21 <makomk> VlueMatt?
117 2012-03-16 07:22:55 <sipa> ow, typo!
118 2012-03-16 07:23:05 <sipa> damn offline people
119 2012-03-16 07:23:29 <sipa> ;;later tell BlueMatt pong
120 2012-03-16 07:23:30 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
121 2012-03-16 08:02:11 <fiddur> Hmm, I just upgraded from 0.5.2 to 0.5.3, and second time I started bitcoin-qt all my mined transactions are gone (testnet)... now they don't show up when starting 0.5.2 either :P
122 2012-03-16 08:03:30 <sipa> fiddur: network rules changes, so you were mining a different chain in 0.5.2
123 2012-03-16 08:05:03 <fiddur> So the old bitcoins I had just disappears?  I hope that's just possible  in testnet?
124 2012-03-16 08:05:15 <sipa> of course, mainnet is never reset :D
125 2012-03-16 08:09:03 <fiddur> sipa: Ok.  I'll just wait for next block again then; they're quite irregular in testnet :D
126 2012-03-16 08:10:34 <sipa> it should be better now, the new testnet is easier to mine
127 2012-03-16 09:02:24 <Joric> could anyone explain in short what's 'Add checkpoint at block 168,000.'?
128 2012-03-16 09:04:49 <wumpus> it means that the client embeds the hash at that block, so that it can verify it has the common chain
129 2012-03-16 09:05:01 <wumpus> (up until that block)
130 2012-03-16 09:07:12 <Joric> are you planning to eliminate fully spent transactions below this checkpoint in the future
131 2012-03-16 10:25:52 <Eliel> Joric: I believe that is going to be an optional feature for those that want it.
132 2012-03-16 10:33:09 <wumpus> Joric: all fully spend transactions can theoretically be eliminated, not just those before the checkpoint
133 2012-03-16 10:54:27 <Eliel> Joric: the checkpoints are there mostly to prevent new nodes on the network being fed a false chain.
134 2012-03-16 12:38:03 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: laanwj opened pull request 941 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/941>
135 2012-03-16 13:17:31 <Joric> how to sync a fork to fork origin?
136 2012-03-16 13:17:48 <Joric> i want to create a pull request based on current state
137 2012-03-16 13:18:20 <Joric> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4571.0 it's not covering it
138 2012-03-16 13:18:25 <graingert> Joric: git hub should let you do it
139 2012-03-16 13:18:33 <gavinandresen> git rebase origin/master
140 2012-03-16 13:18:37 <graingert> that
141 2012-03-16 13:18:43 <graingert> github has a fancy interface
142 2012-03-16 13:18:57 <Joric> thanks!
143 2012-03-16 13:19:02 <gavinandresen> ... then you'll need to git push -f  to get it up to github
144 2012-03-16 13:55:08 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: joric opened pull request 18 on bitcoin/bitcoin.org <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/pull/18>
145 2012-03-16 14:43:16 <t7> the 'New' in 'New news' seems a bit redundant...
146 2012-03-16 15:34:45 <tcatm> t7: Calling it 'old' news would be more correct. I always get those news here after reading those emails :)
147 2012-03-16 15:35:02 <t7> haha
148 2012-03-16 15:57:50 <BlueMatt> ;;seen tcatm
149 2012-03-16 15:57:50 <gribble> tcatm was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 23 minutes and 4 seconds ago: <tcatm> t7: Calling it 'old' news would be more correct. I always get those news here after reading those emails :)
150 2012-03-16 15:59:15 <tcatm> BlueMatt: pong. I'm going to update the translations now.
151 2012-03-16 16:02:01 <tcatm> I wonder if transifex API would allow to automate the process...
152 2012-03-16 16:11:31 <helo> someone in #bitcoin says their client is stuck on block 170575
153 2012-03-16 16:12:08 <helo> is this the same as what others have been running into?
154 2012-03-16 16:15:00 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: ^
155 2012-03-16 16:18:38 <nathan7> I read that as blue-batmobile
156 2012-03-16 16:18:53 <BlueMatt-mobile> Heh
157 2012-03-16 16:20:29 <splatster> haha
158 2012-03-16 16:21:03 <nathan7> o/
159 2012-03-16 16:21:16 <splatster> Na na na na na na na, Blue Batman!
160 2012-03-16 16:21:22 <Blue-Batmobile> Heh
161 2012-03-16 16:21:46 <Blue-Batmobile> You discovered my secret idebtity...
162 2012-03-16 16:23:20 <splatster> BlueMatt-mobile == Adam West
163 2012-03-16 16:23:34 <BlueMatt-mobile> Heh
164 2012-03-16 16:23:34 <sipa> ?
165 2012-03-16 16:24:27 <gmaxwell> nananan-bitcoin!
166 2012-03-16 16:25:36 <Graet> lol
167 2012-03-16 16:26:24 <gmaxwell> a billionaire philanthropist playboy who likes technology and protecting the public who operates under a pseudonym...  ! Batman is satoshi!
168 2012-03-16 16:27:01 <BlueMatt> Haha
169 2012-03-16 16:28:08 <sipa> *finally* we got him
170 2012-03-16 16:28:29 <sipa> wait, all we do have is two pseudonyms now :(
171 2012-03-16 16:28:59 <t7> dead parents are a strong motivator
172 2012-03-16 16:31:00 <Graet> BlueMattman is satoshi?
173 2012-03-16 16:31:05 <Graet> ic ic
174 2012-03-16 16:33:25 <nathan7> t7: someone should kill my parents I guess
175 2012-03-16 16:33:30 <nathan7> I'm not terribly motivated
176 2012-03-16 16:33:36 <BlueMatt> ...
177 2012-03-16 16:33:50 <nathan7> IT'S JUST AN IDEA, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT
178 2012-03-16 16:33:59 <nathan7> wait, I just made it worse, didn't I
179 2012-03-16 16:34:07 <sipa> ye
180 2012-03-16 16:35:18 <forsetifox> Why is Batman calling 911?
181 2012-03-16 16:36:06 <BlueMatt-mobile> Good point...
182 2012-03-16 17:04:05 <t7> should i risk a pizza?
183 2012-03-16 17:04:11 <t7> havnt eaten for a couple of days
184 2012-03-16 17:04:25 <luke-jr> just be sure it's meatless
185 2012-03-16 17:04:42 <luke-jr> maybe some V8 Fusion to go with it
186 2012-03-16 17:04:50 <t7> sounds fast
187 2012-03-16 17:06:05 <tcatm> BlueMatt: updated.
188 2012-03-16 17:06:41 <luke-jr> hum
189 2012-03-16 17:06:52 <luke-jr> I guess I was too liberal with "bugfix" classification
190 2012-03-16 17:07:01 <luke-jr> significant complaints about the progress bar change
191 2012-03-16 17:07:19 <BlueMatt> tcatm: thanks
192 2012-03-16 17:07:20 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: wumpus pointed out that we can't win there.
193 2012-03-16 17:07:36 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: unless we get rid of the bar
194 2012-03-16 17:07:40 <luke-jr> just display number of blocks left
195 2012-03-16 17:08:19 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: who the heck noticed it changed?
196 2012-03-16 17:08:30 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: multiple people posting on 0.5.3 thread
197 2012-03-16 17:08:39 <gmaxwell> Link?
198 2012-03-16 17:08:48 <wumpus> let's get rid of the UI and switch to a commandline client :P
199 2012-03-16 17:08:54 <luke-jr> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=68895.new;topicseen#new
200 2012-03-16 17:09:13 <luke-jr> wumpus: btw, what do you think of Samuel/tcatm's GUI redesigns?
201 2012-03-16 17:09:24 <wumpus> anyway, the current behaviour was the original behaviour, and it's the only one that makes sense
202 2012-03-16 17:09:38 <wumpus> progress bars display total progress not partial progress
203 2012-03-16 17:09:43 <wumpus> luke-jr: it's neat
204 2012-03-16 17:09:45 <gmaxwell> I .. am befuddled by the complaint that its useless coupled with the recommendation to hide it completely! :)
205 2012-03-16 17:09:56 <wumpus> lol gmaxwell
206 2012-03-16 17:10:15 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: if it's not there, they can't complain!
207 2012-03-16 17:10:41 <wumpus> if you show the block number they complain that they don't understand the number
208 2012-03-16 17:10:46 <wumpus> been there, done that
209 2012-03-16 17:10:49 <luke-jr> sigh
210 2012-03-16 17:10:57 <luke-jr> wumpus: I was suggesting blocks remaining
211 2012-03-16 17:11:00 <wumpus> we can't win
212 2012-03-16 17:11:02 <luke-jr> at least they can time that
213 2012-03-16 17:11:12 <luke-jr> maybe "5 blocks remaining; ETA: 5 minutes"
214 2012-03-16 17:11:17 <gmaxwell> We just need a great big happy face icon.
215 2012-03-16 17:11:19 <luke-jr> s/remaining/left
216 2012-03-16 17:11:22 <luke-jr> lol
217 2012-03-16 17:11:31 <gmaxwell> "DON'T PANIC"
218 2012-03-16 17:11:34 <wumpus> lol
219 2012-03-16 17:11:40 <pusle> ^^
220 2012-03-16 17:12:17 <gmaxwell> Issue 2348:  "Happy face did not become sad when all my coin was stolen! I think its mocking me!"
221 2012-03-16 17:12:35 <luke-jr> LOL
222 2012-03-16 17:12:46 <forsetifox> Heh.
223 2012-03-16 17:12:47 <Graet> LOL
224 2012-03-16 17:12:56 <nanotube> gmaxwell: haha
225 2012-03-16 17:13:27 <luke-jr> actually, I wonder if anyone's ever done an experiment
226 2012-03-16 17:13:34 <luke-jr> just put smileys all over the program in blank spaces
227 2012-03-16 17:13:39 <luke-jr> see how it affects user behavious
228 2012-03-16 17:13:42 <luke-jr> behaviour*
229 2012-03-16 17:13:43 <pusle> blockchain torrent perhaps?
230 2012-03-16 17:13:50 <luke-jr> pusle: go away
231 2012-03-16 17:13:57 <pusle> xD
232 2012-03-16 17:14:43 <BlueMatt> how many times have I heard that suggestion...
233 2012-03-16 17:15:20 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: ??
234 2012-03-16 17:18:01 <nanotube> how can you hear a suggestion .28 times?
235 2012-03-16 17:18:04 <nanotube> >_> :)
236 2012-03-16 17:18:30 <luke-jr> nanotube: "DHT"
237 2012-03-16 17:18:34 <luke-jr> counts as a partial
238 2012-03-16 17:18:37 <nanotube> haha
239 2012-03-16 17:19:27 <gmaxwell> ;;bc,blocks
240 2012-03-16 17:19:30 <gribble> 171427
241 2012-03-16 17:20:39 <gribble> *purrrrrrrr*
242 2012-03-16 17:20:39 <nanotube> ;;pet
243 2012-03-16 18:15:02 <gmaxwell> gavinandresen: I'm about to push tags for 0.6.0rc4 unless you're around and have objections.
244 2012-03-16 18:16:38 <BlueMatt-mobile> Hes out
245 2012-03-16 18:17:41 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt-mobile: thus the unless. It's done.
246 2012-03-16 18:18:28 <gmaxwell> FWIW, I'm going to be in the air from about 5pm to about 9pm eastern.
247 2012-03-16 18:19:00 <BlueMatt-mobile> Meh, ok ill get builds going for rrlease later today (hopefully before 5)
248 2012-03-16 18:19:17 <BlueMatt-mobile> Anyone else gitian capable around?
249 2012-03-16 18:19:34 <BlueMatt-mobile> devrandom tcatm sipa ^
250 2012-03-16 18:19:45 <BlueMatt-mobile> luke-jr ^
251 2012-03-16 18:19:47 <wumpus> yes
252 2012-03-16 18:19:48 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: ^
253 2012-03-16 18:20:26 <BlueMatt-mobile> Start building 0.6rc4 if you dont mind (have to rebuild qt-win32 first)
254 2012-03-16 18:21:36 <wumpus> I'm already building 0.5.3.1 at the moment, will do 0.6rc4 next
255 2012-03-16 18:34:01 <copumpkin> did bitcoin apply as an org?
256 2012-03-16 18:34:03 <luke-jr> wumpus: what is 0.5.3.1?
257 2012-03-16 18:34:08 <copumpkin> for GSOC 2012?
258 2012-03-16 18:34:57 <copumpkin> if not, it'd be cool to do next year
259 2012-03-16 18:37:03 <jm9000> BlueMatt: Did you get a chance to look at that 0.6.0 blockchain I uploaded yet?
260 2012-03-16 18:37:15 <BlueMatt> jm9000: no, Ive been a bit...distracted
261 2012-03-16 18:37:33 <jm9000> Ok, I'll hold off on deleting that then.
262 2012-03-16 18:37:46 <BlueMatt> meh, Ive downloaded it, just havent had a chance to look into it yet
263 2012-03-16 18:38:25 <BlueMatt> you can delete it if you want, Ive got it
264 2012-03-16 18:38:27 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: where'd you push it?
265 2012-03-16 18:38:28 <BlueMatt> thanks
266 2012-03-16 18:38:37 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: master.
267 2012-03-16 18:38:37 <mcorlett> I was very graciously sent the Bitcoin 0.1.0 source by Hal Finney. Diffs: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=vBYdkMhY http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=pbcndUsS (omitting bitcoin.exe for obvious reasons)
268 2012-03-16 18:38:40 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: it's not there.
269 2012-03-16 18:39:06 <theymos> mcorlett: I'd love to see the detailed changes.
270 2012-03-16 18:39:32 <BlueMatt> mcorlett: fun
271 2012-03-16 18:39:41 <BlueMatt> someone should preserve that in git
272 2012-03-16 18:40:05 <theymos> Hal was probably the only person (maybe besides Satoshi) who still had a copy. We're lucky he published it.
273 2012-03-16 18:40:18 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: thanks. Forgot to push the actual tag. It should be there now.
274 2012-03-16 18:42:06 <theymos> mcorlett: (Missed the second pastebin... I see it now.)
275 2012-03-16 18:52:04 <luke-jr> wumpus: ping
276 2012-03-16 18:52:20 <luke-jr> f941773 Fix windows build in windows Qt SDK <-- does this affect 0.5 ?
277 2012-03-16 18:53:54 <wumpus> the ole32/iid was introduced by the change that re-added "start on startup" on windows
278 2012-03-16 18:54:08 <wumpus> I'm not sure whether that was in already for 0.5
279 2012-03-16 18:55:00 <luke-jr> f18a119 seems to be the commit, and isn't in 0.5
280 2012-03-16 18:55:07 <wumpus> ok
281 2012-03-16 18:55:55 <luke-jr> 08ed96d Yet another attempt at implementing "minimize to tray" that works on all OSes <-- was this a fix?
282 2012-03-16 18:56:05 <luke-jr> ie, did some platform actually have a problem?
283 2012-03-16 18:57:52 <wumpus> yes
284 2012-03-16 18:58:41 <wumpus> pull request 941
285 2012-03-16 18:59:13 <Joric> saved the world, again, https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/pull/18
286 2012-03-16 18:59:31 <BlueMatt> heh, why do we keep forgetting to do that?
287 2012-03-16 18:59:52 <BlueMatt> Joric: wanna add it to doc/release-process.txt so that we dont in the future?
288 2012-03-16 19:00:08 <gmaxwell> Keeps joric employed.
289 2012-03-16 19:00:25 <BlueMatt> well alright, lets just say that is now officially Joric's responsibility
290 2012-03-16 19:08:20 <luke-jr> wumpus: I'm confused. Was the issue Windows-only or non-Windows-only?
291 2012-03-16 19:09:41 <wumpus> windows only, afaik it worked on linux
292 2012-03-16 19:10:12 <wumpus> then again, it's almost impossible to say with all the different wms
293 2012-03-16 19:10:24 <gmaxwell> Well  it didn't get many complaints at least.
294 2012-03-16 19:10:37 <wumpus> because no one is using it
295 2012-03-16 19:10:43 <gmaxwell> Perhaps skip backporting it for now because it's not quite trivial? (you're talking about the minimize thing?)
296 2012-03-16 19:14:27 <luke-jr> any opinions on d68dcf7 (sipa/minireorg, origin-pull/930/head) Limit the impact of reorganisations on the database
297 2012-03-16 19:14:29 <luke-jr> ?
298 2012-03-16 19:21:09 <gmaxwell> I think it should be backported too.
299 2012-03-16 19:23:17 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: laanwj opened pull request 2 on bitcoin/gitian.sigs <https://github.com/bitcoin/gitian.sigs/pull/2>
300 2012-03-16 19:29:13 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: for this release? I'm inclined to wait since 0.5 can't load 0.6 wallets anyway
301 2012-03-16 19:30:55 <gmaxwell> Yea.. I was kinda thinking about waiting. I kinda wish the releases were a little more staggered.
302 2012-03-16 19:48:28 <luke-jr> pushed tags for 0.4.5, 0.5.0.5, and 0.5.4
303 2012-03-16 19:49:43 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: can you build one?
304 2012-03-16 19:50:37 <luke-jr> testnet mining was broken, so I figured it warranted a bump <.<
305 2012-03-16 20:02:45 <midnightmagic> i have found no references to "coincontrol" nor "coin control" nor "coderr" (yes I know there are more r's, I'm reducing for greater coverage) in any of the posts of bitcoin-development I have received. what is currently stopping its merge into mainline?
306 2012-03-16 20:04:54 <luke-jr> check pull requests
307 2012-03-16 20:05:08 <midnightmagic> ah
308 2012-03-16 20:07:20 <midnightmagic> pull request has nothing since laanwj rebased against the then-current, although coderrr has a fresh commit he added as of.. like yesterday.
309 2012-03-16 20:07:29 <midnightmagic> (against 0.5.3)
310 2012-03-16 20:13:33 <nanotube> 'last received block was generated %n second ago'. that is what the tooltip on my bitcoin-qt 0.5.2 shows. bug?
311 2012-03-16 20:14:23 <BlueMatt> no one have 0.6.0rc4 sigs yet?
312 2012-03-16 20:14:47 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: you are still maintaining 0.4.x?
313 2012-03-16 20:15:06 <midnightmagic> then i guess i'll alter my question somewhat. in the dev mailing list, gavin instructs miners to upgrade or risk mining on a minority chain. will both 0.5.3 and the github head work for miners?
314 2012-03-16 20:16:21 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: yes
315 2012-03-16 20:17:00 <luke-jr> nanotube: fixed in 0.5.3
316 2012-03-16 20:17:27 <nanotube> luke-jr: ah ok thanks
317 2012-03-16 20:19:20 <gavinandresen> midnightmagic: 0.5.3 won't work, the plan is a 0.5.something next week (cross fingers, knock on wood) with minimal BIP16 support (I just asked Luke to hold off on 0.5.4 to try to avoid version fatigue)
318 2012-03-16 20:19:52 <midnightmagic> gavinandresen: thank you, much obliged.
319 2012-03-16 20:21:09 <midnightmagic> gavinandresen: now that I am paying attention to bitcoin-development@ more, are these remaining pieces (and plans) discussed here in -dev or the code itself, or is there another source of information I should be tapping into to reduce my question load on you folks?
320 2012-03-16 20:21:24 <gavinandresen> BlueMatt: just pushed 0.6rc4 sigs
321 2012-03-16 20:21:36 <luke-jr> midnightmagic: 0.5.3 will work for BIP30
322 2012-03-16 20:21:44 <luke-jr> just not Apr 1 BIP16
323 2012-03-16 20:21:52 <midnightmagic> ok
324 2012-03-16 20:24:38 <gavinandresen> midnightmagic: nitty-gritty stuff like exactly what will be released when tends to get discussed here in IRC and then announced to the forums and the mailing list.  I'm trying to get higher-level design discussions to happen mostly on the mailing list.
325 2012-03-16 20:25:24 <midnightmagic> gavinandresen: thank you
326 2012-03-16 21:05:05 <[Tycho]> Hello, devs.
327 2012-03-16 21:07:35 <Raccoon> Now you have no excuse not to know about electrical engineering and computer science.  http://mitx.mit.edu/  --  MIT's free EE-CS classes!
328 2012-03-16 21:08:38 <gavinandresen> howdy [Tycho]
329 2012-03-16 21:09:08 <copumpkin> gavinandresen: have you considered doing a bitcoin GSOC (as an organization) next year?
330 2012-03-16 21:10:10 <[Tycho]> I wonder - will something break if I'll insert TXes in controlled order in CreateNewBlock...
331 2012-03-16 21:29:35 <sipa> gavinandresen, BlueMatt: are new build/downloads of qt-win32 necessary for 0.6.0rc4?
332 2012-03-16 21:29:46 <BlueMatt> yes
333 2012-03-16 21:29:57 <BlueMatt> just build, no dl (should be) neccessary
334 2012-03-16 21:30:13 <BlueMatt> not for 0.5.3.1, just 0.6rc4
335 2012-03-16 21:30:18 <BlueMatt> (use the old ones for 0.5.3.1)
336 2012-03-16 21:30:32 <sipa> qt build is determinstic now?
337 2012-03-16 21:34:00 <BlueMatt> no, but it doesnt effect bitcoin-build-output
338 2012-03-16 21:34:10 <BlueMatt> (I think, I didnt actually bother to check if its deterministic)
339 2012-03-16 21:39:35 <sipa> ok, building 0.5.3.1
340 2012-03-16 22:00:23 <Eliel> 5.3.1 is the BIP-16 enabled version of 5.x line?
341 2012-03-16 22:00:49 <BlueMatt> no, it does not contain bip16
342 2012-03-16 22:01:30 <Eliel> 5.3 contained something that needed fixing?
343 2012-03-16 22:54:24 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: Diapolo opened pull request 942 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/942>
344 2012-03-16 22:54:45 <denisx> any reasons why the osx version is only 32bit?
345 2012-03-16 23:17:53 <BlueMatt> POTENTIALLY CRITICAL SECURITY VULNERABILITY IN BITCOIN-QT ON WINDOWS: All users of Bitcoin-Qt on Windows should upgrade NOW to 0.5.3.1 or 0.6rc4! See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=69120.0 for more information.
346 2012-03-16 23:18:34 <Diablo-D3> bluematt: why isnt 6 final out yet
347 2012-03-16 23:18:48 <Diablo-D3> btw, is this related to the p2pool crashes windows qt bug?
348 2012-03-16 23:19:06 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: yes
349 2012-03-16 23:19:21 <Diablo-D3> hahaha nice
350 2012-03-16 23:19:25 <Diablo-D3> forrestv: you go
351 2012-03-16 23:22:28 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: because we just made a major change to fix a security bug?
352 2012-03-16 23:22:34 <BlueMatt> so...it needs more testing
353 2012-03-16 23:22:52 <BlueMatt> also, there are other outstanding issues
354 2012-03-16 23:24:33 <theymos> Details/source for the vulnerability fix isn't public, right?
355 2012-03-16 23:24:46 <BlueMatt> correct
356 2012-03-16 23:24:50 <theymos> k
357 2012-03-16 23:30:39 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: TheBlueMatt opened pull request 19 on bitcoin/bitcoin.org <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/pull/19>
358 2012-03-16 23:32:42 <gavinandresen> BlueMatt: happy with formatting of http://bitcoin.org/critfix ?
359 2012-03-16 23:33:11 <BlueMatt> oh, wtf?
360 2012-03-16 23:33:11 <gmaxwell> Attn Windows Bitcoin GUI users: There is a potential security hole fixed by 0.5.3.1 / 0.6.0rc4. PLEASE UPGRADE. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=69120.0
361 2012-03-16 23:35:14 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/pull/20
362 2012-03-16 23:35:22 <BlueMatt> (f'd it up the last release announce text update)
363 2012-03-16 23:35:42 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: TheBlueMatt opened pull request 20 on bitcoin/bitcoin.org <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/pull/20>
364 2012-03-16 23:36:14 <gavinandresen> merged.  working on Alerts...
365 2012-03-16 23:41:46 <gavinandresen> BlueMatt: can you put links to the download on the critfix page?
366 2012-03-16 23:41:55 <BlueMatt> yea, one sec I was just gonna do that
367 2012-03-16 23:45:09 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/pull/21
368 2012-03-16 23:45:50 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: TheBlueMatt opened pull request 21 on bitcoin/bitcoin.org <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/pull/21>
369 2012-03-16 23:46:52 <gavinandresen> Merged.  Can you double-check the first alert params for me before I release it onto the network?  https://gist.github.com/2053916
370 2012-03-16 23:47:47 <BlueMatt> only relay for 15 minutes?
371 2012-03-16 23:47:50 <theymos> Can subVer be used to target onto satoshi-client users?
372 2012-03-16 23:48:19 <gmaxwell> Alas, too bad alterts don't work in 0.5.0.
373 2012-03-16 23:48:35 <gavinandresen> woulda coulda shoulda.....
374 2012-03-16 23:49:00 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: oh...yea
375 2012-03-16 23:49:00 <[Tycho]> What's happened with that windows bitcoin ?
376 2012-03-16 23:49:02 <gavinandresen> RE: 15 minutes:  yes, alerts are 'sticky' so the 15 minutes is just to flood-fill the existing nodes (new nodes get alerts when the connect to the network)
377 2012-03-16 23:49:16 <BlueMatt> ah, ok sounds good then
378 2012-03-16 23:49:28 <gavinandresen> RE: can subVer be used to target:  I'll look, I don't think it can....
379 2012-03-16 23:49:44 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: blame Microsoft for now
380 2012-03-16 23:49:46 <luke-jr> <.<
381 2012-03-16 23:49:55 <[Tycho]> No, Microsoft is cool.
382 2012-03-16 23:50:11 <[Tycho]> Qt, gtk and so on is the evil.
383 2012-03-16 23:50:23 <forsetifox> Heh.
384 2012-03-16 23:50:41 <theymos> subVer is used for the user agent string now and could be used for targetting (maybe requiring some care), though I don't know which version started setting subVer.
385 2012-03-16 23:51:14 <Zarutian> [Tycho]: heck, I would just prefer cmdline interface and cook up gui in tcl/tk or some such.
386 2012-03-16 23:51:21 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: the release announcement says april 16 instead of march: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/pull/22
387 2012-03-16 23:51:27 <Zarutian> (to use the cmdline)
388 2012-03-16 23:51:28 <theymos> Don't know if anyone but the Satoshi client is listening to alerts, either.
389 2012-03-16 23:52:53 <[Tycho]> Why "Ignore" link is highlighted under Matthew N. Wright on the forum ?
390 2012-03-16 23:53:08 <forsetifox> Lots of people ignored him I think?
391 2012-03-16 23:53:14 <forsetifox> Just like Bulanula.
392 2012-03-16 23:53:25 <theymos> [Tycho]: Because a lot of people ignore him. New rating system thing we're testing out.
393 2012-03-16 23:54:16 <[Tycho]> Is there a description of the vulnerability so I can decide if I need to do something ?
394 2012-03-16 23:54:25 <BlueMatt> [Tycho]: are you running on windows?
395 2012-03-16 23:54:32 <BlueMatt> [Tycho]: and, very deliberately, no
396 2012-03-16 23:54:38 <[Tycho]> No, but thousands of my users do.
397 2012-03-16 23:54:46 <BlueMatt> link them to http://bitcoin.org/critfix
398 2012-03-16 23:55:02 <[Tycho]> What fee discussion ?
399 2012-03-16 23:55:04 <forsetifox> Hehe.
400 2012-03-16 23:55:11 <[Tycho]> 0.0005 isn't a fee, it's a joke
401 2012-03-16 23:55:14 <theymos> Everyone using 0.5-0.6.3 on Windows must upgrade.
402 2012-03-16 23:55:21 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: would you oppose adding code to relay (but ignore) alerts from other keys?
403 2012-03-16 23:55:30 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: DDoS?
404 2012-03-16 23:55:31 <gmaxwell> [Tycho]: it's not suppoted to be a fee, it's supposted to prevent DOS attacks and it does.
405 2012-03-16 23:55:45 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: can just as easily DDoS with txn spam?
406 2012-03-16 23:56:01 <theymos> Deleted off-topic fee posts on forum thread.
407 2012-03-16 23:56:02 <BlueMatt> yes, but no
408 2012-03-16 23:56:03 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: TheBlueMatt opened pull request 22 on bitcoin/bitcoin.org <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/pull/22>
409 2012-03-16 23:56:09 <[Tycho]> Why sourceforge link ends with "test/" ?
410 2012-03-16 23:56:19 <BlueMatt> because they are release-candidates
411 2012-03-16 23:56:22 <BlueMatt> not release
412 2012-03-16 23:56:33 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: 0.5.3.1 isn't test
413 2012-03-16 23:56:43 <gmaxwell> What luke-jr said.
414 2012-03-16 23:57:45 <gmaxwell> [Tycho]: Can you translate the announcement into russian and post it on the russian subforum?
415 2012-03-16 23:57:56 <BlueMatt> oh, yea translators
416 2012-03-16 23:57:56 <[Tycho]> Yes.
417 2012-03-16 23:57:57 <luke-jr> I found another critical bug affecting all versions: the subsidy changes after a certain number of blocks!
418 2012-03-16 23:58:00 <luke-jr> <.<
419 2012-03-16 23:58:04 <BlueMatt> heh
420 2012-03-16 23:58:26 <gavinandresen> theymos: pszSubVer on version 0.5 is always the empty string, we can't target just Satoshi.
421 2012-03-16 23:58:42 <gmaxwell> We should probably assemble a list of willing translators for things like this.
422 2012-03-16 23:58:54 <theymos> gavinandresen: OK. Maybe later if there are any bugs affecting just 0.6+ or whatever.
423 2012-03-16 23:59:14 <jrmithdobbs> gavinandresen: did you get a CSA assigned/etc?
424 2012-03-16 23:59:26 <BlueMatt> [Tycho]: if you do a russian translation, would you mind doing a pull request to add it to bitcoin.org/critfix
425 2012-03-16 23:59:36 <jrmithdobbs> gavinandresen: most people affected aren't going to see that list email :(
426 2012-03-16 23:59:39 <splatster> luke-jr: OMG! NO!
427 2012-03-16 23:59:56 <splatster> What are we going to do?!
428 2012-03-16 23:59:58 <luke-jr> CSA?