1 2012-03-17 00:00:08 <Zarutian> [Tycho]: a bit offtopic: you russian? if so heard about that paymer things? if so then I will say it is nifty system but for the big flaw, single central point of failure.
  2 2012-03-17 00:00:35 <luke-jr> FWIW, I did request (2) CVEs.
  3 2012-03-17 00:00:52 <luke-jr> I didn't get a reply on the one from Sunday (fixed by BIP 30) yet tho
  4 2012-03-17 00:01:19 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: good, have you done a CVE for the 0.5.3.1 one?
  5 2012-03-17 00:01:38 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: I sent a request for one today.
  6 2012-03-17 00:01:46 <BlueMatt> ok, nice, thanks
  7 2012-03-17 00:02:08 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: opinion on translating bitcoin.org/critfix to * using google translate until we get human help?
  8 2012-03-17 00:03:04 <gavinandresen> BlueMatt: dunno-- what does Tycho think, google translate better than nothing?
  9 2012-03-17 00:03:13 <BlueMatt> [Tycho]: ?
 10 2012-03-17 00:03:22 <[Tycho]> I can provide it
 11 2012-03-17 00:03:34 <[Tycho]> In a couple of minutes
 12 2012-03-17 00:03:39 <Zarutian> BlueMatt: well, do not do that for languages that google doesnt have large duo linguistic corpuses of. (Icelandic is one example where google translate is hillariously bad)
 13 2012-03-17 00:03:47 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: I think BlueMatt means for *other* langs:P
 14 2012-03-17 00:04:08 <gavinandresen> Right-- I wanted the opinion of somebody who was a non-native-english speaker
 15 2012-03-17 00:04:23 <wumpus> agreed with Zarutian, it's the same for dutch
 16 2012-03-17 00:04:44 <luke-jr> dutch is easy. it's just English written in vampire-speak
 17 2012-03-17 00:04:46 <luke-jr> <.<
 18 2012-03-17 00:04:53 <wumpus> hehe
 19 2012-03-17 00:04:55 <BlueMatt> hilariously bad is >> nothing IMHO...
 20 2012-03-17 00:05:13 <yellowhat> can someone explain to me what the vulnerability was about?
 21 2012-03-17 00:05:27 <mcorlett> The important thing is getting the message across. Google Translate will do that.
 22 2012-03-17 00:05:27 <yellowhat> i read the patch but it is not self-evident to me
 23 2012-03-17 00:05:35 <BlueMatt> we're keeping it deliberately vague to give people a chance to upgrade
 24 2012-03-17 00:05:43 <BlueMatt> see bitcoin.org/critfix for all you need to know ;)
 25 2012-03-17 00:06:04 <luke-jr> the patch is public?
 26 2012-03-17 00:06:10 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: speaking of which&
 27 2012-03-17 00:06:33 <theymos> I'll PM the forum's local-language mods about translations. Should be able to get German, French, Italian, and Portuguese.
 28 2012-03-17 00:06:40 <yellowhat> well, i read the commits in github - or is this something else?
 29 2012-03-17 00:06:59 <luke-jr> yellowhat: the source will be published eventually, when it's safe to assume people have updated
 30 2012-03-17 00:07:12 <BlueMatt> Ive got an offer for Bulgarian
 31 2012-03-17 00:07:34 <yellowhat> ok, so it is not related to https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/8864019f6d88b13d3442843d9e6ebeb8dd938831 (Fix Win32 RPC Crashes)
 32 2012-03-17 00:07:37 <luke-jr> yellowhat: don't want someone trying to exploit it first
 33 2012-03-17 00:07:49 <BlueMatt> yellowhat: no
 34 2012-03-17 00:08:06 <yellowhat> luke, do you remember your conversation we had about 3 days ago about programming language choice
 35 2012-03-17 00:08:20 <yellowhat> this is exactly what i mean
 36 2012-03-17 00:08:36 <luke-jr> yellowhat: why do you assume it has anything to do with that?
 37 2012-03-17 00:08:37 <Zarutian> yellowhat: use a memory safe language?
 38 2012-03-17 00:08:54 <luke-jr> yellowhat: basically, using another language would NOT have prevented it
 39 2012-03-17 00:08:59 <[Tycho]> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=69130.new#new
 40 2012-03-17 00:09:02 <luke-jr> I can't go into details until the specifics are announced
 41 2012-03-17 00:09:19 <BlueMatt> got polish
 42 2012-03-17 00:09:26 <yellowhat> so do you think BitcoinJ is affected as well? because i am using that one for my projects
 43 2012-03-17 00:09:32 <BlueMatt> no
 44 2012-03-17 00:09:46 <[Tycho]> Nice idea to find critical vulnerability just before 1 Apr :)
 45 2012-03-17 00:10:23 <Zarutian> remind me, what happens 1st April? The prize halfing?
 46 2012-03-17 00:10:28 <luke-jr> Zarutian: BIP16
 47 2012-03-17 00:12:56 <gavinandresen> Alert for versions 0.5.0 (sigh...) through 0.5.3.0 will be on the network very shortly.
 48 2012-03-17 00:13:15 <[Tycho]> sigh ?
 49 2012-03-17 00:13:24 <gavinandresen> Yes, 0.5.0 doesn't display alerts.
 50 2012-03-17 00:15:20 <forsetifox> Aw.. no alerts on the test version?
 51 2012-03-17 00:15:35 <da2ce7> ok I have a bug report for the latest windows version.
 52 2012-03-17 00:15:44 <forsetifox> I wanna see messages from the ghost in the machine.
 53 2012-03-17 00:17:27 <[Tycho]> BlueMatt: did you see my translation ?
 54 2012-03-17 00:17:41 <BlueMatt> [Tycho]: no, link?
 55 2012-03-17 00:17:46 <BlueMatt> Im dealing with a few others too atm
 56 2012-03-17 00:17:47 <[Tycho]> See above.
 57 2012-03-17 00:18:38 <BlueMatt> a
 58 2012-03-17 00:18:44 <BlueMatt> ah thanks
 59 2012-03-17 00:19:14 <Joric> skipped a comma
 60 2012-03-17 00:19:22 <[Tycho]> Just updated, one word was replaced
 61 2012-03-17 00:19:34 <[Tycho]> It's important.
 62 2012-03-17 00:20:23 <BlueMatt> ok
 63 2012-03-17 00:20:32 <Joric> ', chto' 'udaleNNoe'
 64 2012-03-17 00:20:35 <da2ce7> My brother tried to install the new 5.3.1 and it didn't install... I'm getting him to come in here and discribe the error.
 65 2012-03-17 00:21:15 <[Tycho]> Oh, missed one N
 66 2012-03-17 00:21:16 <[Tycho]> :(
 67 2012-03-17 00:21:38 <yellowhat> german translation of the criftfix page, someone requested it: http://pastebin.com/0amsxc67
 68 2012-03-17 00:22:23 <BlueMatt> yellowhat: thanks
 69 2012-03-17 00:23:04 <BlueMatt> yellowhat: please include title and download link descriptions
 70 2012-03-17 00:23:39 <luke-jr> is there an official timeframe for publishing the sources/details btw?
 71 2012-03-17 00:23:44 <BlueMatt> not yet
 72 2012-03-17 00:25:06 <freewil> will the alert for this show up in the getinfo errors field?
 73 2012-03-17 00:25:14 <theymos> Yes.
 74 2012-03-17 00:26:01 <Amnesiac> hey da2ce7
 75 2012-03-17 00:26:59 <da2ce7> hello abracadabra
 76 2012-03-17 00:27:06 <da2ce7> er... Amnesiac
 77 2012-03-17 00:27:07 <da2ce7> :)
 78 2012-03-17 00:27:50 <da2ce7> so luke-jr, BlueMatt, sipa, et'all I told my brother Amnesiac to install the new version for windows...
 79 2012-03-17 00:27:56 <yellowhat> BlueMatt: http://pastebin.com/a27Xs8aZ
 80 2012-03-17 00:27:57 <da2ce7> excep it is throging an error...
 81 2012-03-17 00:28:18 <BlueMatt> yellowhat: thanks
 82 2012-03-17 00:28:20 <Amnesiac> "error opening file for writing"
 83 2012-03-17 00:28:26 <BlueMatt> ah
 84 2012-03-17 00:28:54 <[Tycho]> BlueMatt: is there a permanent link to the critfix message on the bitcoin site ?
 85 2012-03-17 00:29:39 <BlueMatt> not yet, should be
 86 2012-03-17 00:29:53 <BlueMatt> Im working on adding like 4 more translations atm, will have a pull in a few mintes
 87 2012-03-17 00:30:04 <da2ce7> Amnesiac: did you have bitcoin _running_ when you tried to install it?
 88 2012-03-17 00:30:16 <[Tycho]> Ok, I just wanted to put a link to the english version on my site
 89 2012-03-17 00:30:33 <Amnesiac> no i did not
 90 2012-03-17 00:30:42 <da2ce7> ok... well that is a bug.
 91 2012-03-17 00:32:37 <BlueMatt> someone want to paste u-umlaut for me to copy?
 92 2012-03-17 00:32:48 <sipa> ??
 93 2012-03-17 00:32:59 <BlueMatt> thanks
 94 2012-03-17 00:33:11 <gmaxwell> Attn Windows Bitcoin GUI users: There is a potential security hole fixed by 0.5.3.1 / 0.6.0rc4. PLEASE UPGRADE. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=69120.0
 95 2012-03-17 00:33:27 <HostFat> @theymos, I just sent you the translation
 96 2012-03-17 00:33:57 <theymos> HostFat: Cool, thanks!
 97 2012-03-17 00:34:03 <theymos> BlueMatt: Do you already have Italian?
 98 2012-03-17 00:34:12 <BlueMatt> no
 99 2012-03-17 00:34:36 <theymos> Here's HostFat's translation: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=8GZRvzMe
100 2012-03-17 00:34:38 <sipa> do i need to do a dutch translation?
101 2012-03-17 00:35:42 <BlueMatt> theymos: thanks
102 2012-03-17 00:35:43 <BlueMatt> sipa: sure
103 2012-03-17 00:35:55 <BlueMatt> theymos: ooo, he even has html tags, tell him thanks!
104 2012-03-17 00:36:03 <HostFat> ;)
105 2012-03-17 00:36:07 <Amnesiac> uninstalled bitcoin and patch still does not work
106 2012-03-17 00:36:10 <da2ce7> sipa: there is a bug installing Bitcoin-qt in windows... who is the best to alert?
107 2012-03-17 00:37:08 <BlueMatt> someone able to talk Amnesiac through this?
108 2012-03-17 00:37:09 <luke-jr> Amnesiac: sounds like you didn't close Bitcoin-Qt completely
109 2012-03-17 00:37:27 <theymos> BlueMatt: Here's ThiagoCMC's Portuguese translation: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=bXLRCn0t Do you have that one already?
110 2012-03-17 00:37:38 <wumpus> indeed, windows refuses to overwrite exes that are still in use, that could cause the write error
111 2012-03-17 00:37:55 <sipa> da2ce7: issue on github?
112 2012-03-17 00:38:07 <BlueMatt> have: bulgarian, polish, german, italian, russian,
113 2012-03-17 00:38:08 <da2ce7> sipa: ok.
114 2012-03-17 00:38:12 <BlueMatt> uh, I think I missed a few
115 2012-03-17 00:38:29 <BlueMatt> what is portugese in portugese
116 2012-03-17 00:38:33 <BlueMatt> same for italian
117 2012-03-17 00:38:41 <da2ce7> Amnesiac: load up task manager, for all users, and kill anything with bitcoin*
118 2012-03-17 00:39:00 <theymos> BlueMatt: Portugu??s and Italiano
119 2012-03-17 00:39:23 <BlueMatt> thanks
120 2012-03-17 00:39:52 <gavinandresen> Can y'all double-check the 0.6 alert params for me?  https://gist.github.com/2054226
121 2012-03-17 00:40:02 <theymos> HostFat: Sent you a little BTC for the translation. :)
122 2012-03-17 00:40:31 <HostFat> oh thank you! :D
123 2012-03-17 00:40:51 <Amnesiac> nope
124 2012-03-17 00:40:52 <Amnesiac> did not work
125 2012-03-17 00:42:45 <Raccoon> gavinandresen: needs to tell which slacker coded the faulty line :p
126 2012-03-17 00:43:12 <sipa> BlueMatt: where/what to translate?
127 2012-03-17 00:43:31 <BlueMatt> sipa: bitcoin.org/critfix
128 2012-03-17 00:43:34 <BlueMatt> pastebin it
129 2012-03-17 00:43:39 <BlueMatt> incl html tags if possible
130 2012-03-17 00:43:40 <BlueMatt> ;)
131 2012-03-17 00:44:13 <forsetifox> Amnesiac: What OS are you using?
132 2012-03-17 00:45:53 <Amnesiac> windows 7
133 2012-03-17 00:46:26 <BlueMatt> someone link me to the russian wikipedia page on russian (ie so I can copy/paste russian in russian)
134 2012-03-17 00:46:31 <forsetifox> Open up task manager and make sure bitcoin-qt-exe is not running.
135 2012-03-17 00:46:40 <sipa> ok, pushed gitian sigs for 0.5.3.1
136 2012-03-17 00:46:44 <forsetifox> bitcoin-qt.exe
137 2012-03-17 00:46:48 <HostFat> will you ever add this link to the homepage? https://www.transifex.net/projects/p/bitcoin/resource/tx/
138 2012-03-17 00:47:04 <HostFat> you said that you were going to add it 2/3 weeks ago ...
139 2012-03-17 00:47:06 <Amnesiac> yea i have done that
140 2012-03-17 00:47:06 <[Tycho]> BlueMatt: what stops you from copypasting ?
141 2012-03-17 00:47:08 <sipa> HostFat: yes, we should
142 2012-03-17 00:47:19 <BlueMatt> [Tycho]: on irc, it gets replaced with ?????s
143 2012-03-17 00:47:26 <forsetifox> Do you have the exe or zip file for the updated client?
144 2012-03-17 00:47:29 <BlueMatt> so it has to be a link to somewhere
145 2012-03-17 00:47:33 <[Tycho]> BlueMatt: but I gave you the forum link.
146 2012-03-17 00:47:59 <BlueMatt> I just want the word russian in russian
147 2012-03-17 00:48:02 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: since gavin didn't answer, did anyone get a CSA registered?
148 2012-03-17 00:48:05 <[Tycho]> Oh, that
149 2012-03-17 00:48:10 <BlueMatt> oh, and can you give me the title translated, [Tycho] ?
150 2012-03-17 00:48:16 <HostFat> we also don't know who owns the linked facebook page ...
151 2012-03-17 00:48:20 <Amnesiac> i have the exe
152 2012-03-17 00:48:26 <[Tycho]> BlueMatt: look at the russian forum branch
153 2012-03-17 00:48:40 <[Tycho]> It's named "Russian" in russian
154 2012-03-17 00:48:43 <forsetifox> Right click on the exe and hit "run as administrator".
155 2012-03-17 00:48:48 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: wtf is a CSA
156 2012-03-17 00:49:15 <BlueMatt> [Tycho]: ah, ok
157 2012-03-17 00:49:45 <[Tycho]> BlueMatt: first phrase in my post can be used as title
158 2012-03-17 00:49:51 <BlueMatt> ok
159 2012-03-17 00:50:01 <BlueMatt> you mean first sentence?
160 2012-03-17 00:50:04 <[Tycho]> Yes.
161 2012-03-17 00:50:11 <BlueMatt> ok
162 2012-03-17 00:50:23 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: seriously?
163 2012-03-17 00:50:26 <HostFat> also, the download links on the bitcoin.org are directed to the "0.5.3" version
164 2012-03-17 00:50:30 <BlueMatt> yes
165 2012-03-17 00:50:37 <BlueMatt> only linux
166 2012-03-17 00:50:42 <BlueMatt> (there is no 0.5.3.1 for linux
167 2012-03-17 00:50:43 <BlueMatt> )
168 2012-03-17 00:50:43 <luke-jr> HostFat: 0.5.3.1 is a Windows-only fix
169 2012-03-17 00:50:47 <Amnesiac> ah of course thanks forsetifox that seems to have worked
170 2012-03-17 00:50:47 <[Tycho]> BlueMatt: I had to make "real" title much shorter because of unicode, eww..
171 2012-03-17 00:50:51 <forsetifox> Good.
172 2012-03-17 00:51:01 <HostFat> I know, but the links of the windows version are also 0.5.3
173 2012-03-17 00:51:05 <BlueMatt> really?
174 2012-03-17 00:51:13 <BlueMatt> not here
175 2012-03-17 00:51:14 <HostFat> ah ok
176 2012-03-17 00:51:15 <HostFat> no
177 2012-03-17 00:51:15 <luke-jr> HostFat: 0.5.3 isn't available for download at all now
178 2012-03-17 00:51:17 <HostFat> it's fixed
179 2012-03-17 00:51:18 <HostFat> sorry
180 2012-03-17 00:51:30 <da2ce7> hmm... so the bug is that the bitcoin installer isn't checking if it need admin, and thoghing the correct error.
181 2012-03-17 00:51:34 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: oh my bad
182 2012-03-17 00:51:36 <HostFat> I was probably surfing the cache :P
183 2012-03-17 00:51:43 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: i'm using the acronym from work, lol
184 2012-03-17 00:51:45 <jrmithdobbs> i meant CVE
185 2012-03-17 00:51:52 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: I answered that the first time you asked it, then
186 2012-03-17 00:52:19 <BlueMatt> arg, anyone have a good site which replaces eg russian chars with html equivalents?
187 2012-03-17 00:52:22 <gavinandresen> jrmithdobbs: luke-jr has applied for a CVE (in case you have him on ignore)
188 2012-03-17 00:52:44 <jrmithdobbs> gavinandresen: lol, you read my mind right as I finally decided to do just that
189 2012-03-17 00:52:58 <[Tycho]> What is CVE ?
190 2012-03-17 00:53:09 <luke-jr> the irony of being ignored for answering a question
191 2012-03-17 00:53:17 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: security tag
192 2012-03-17 00:53:26 <gavinandresen> [Tycho]: common vulnerabilities something-or-other
193 2012-03-17 00:53:52 <jrmithdobbs> [Tycho]: just a way of registering security issues globally basically to give them unique identifiers
194 2012-03-17 00:53:58 <[Tycho]> Cool.
195 2012-03-17 00:54:21 <jrmithdobbs> [Tycho]: everyone from cisco/ms/similar to crappy web apps/services usually register them for major issues
196 2012-03-17 00:56:47 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/pull/24
197 2012-03-17 00:56:55 <sipa> BlueMatt: http://pastebin.com/35smE5L5
198 2012-03-17 00:56:57 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: HostFat opened issue 25 on bitcoin/bitcoin.org <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/issues/25> || TheBlueMatt opened pull request 24 on bitcoin/bitcoin.org <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/pull/24> || HostFat opened issue 23 on bitcoin/bitcoin.org <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/issues/23>
199 2012-03-17 00:56:58 <sipa> (dutch)
200 2012-03-17 00:57:13 <BlueMatt> damn...
201 2012-03-17 00:57:51 <sipa> gavinandresen: only 15 minutes of relaying?
202 2012-03-17 00:57:53 <BlueMatt> sipa: and dutch in dutch?
203 2012-03-17 00:57:59 <sipa> BlueMatt: Nederlands
204 2012-03-17 00:58:34 <gavinandresen> sipa:  yes, alerts just need enough time to flood the network, then they 'stick' and nodes that already have them give them to new nodes joining.
205 2012-03-17 00:58:44 <gavinandresen> (until the expiration time)
206 2012-03-17 00:59:01 <k9quaint> now I feel silly for disabling alerts! :P
207 2012-03-17 00:59:12 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/pull/26
208 2012-03-17 00:59:35 <k9quaint> (or maybe this is the second sign of the mayan apocalypse)
209 2012-03-17 01:00:56 <BlueMatt> woo, we have translations
210 2012-03-17 01:01:13 <sipa> ok, i made typo's :(
211 2012-03-17 01:01:19 <BlueMatt> :(
212 2012-03-17 01:01:28 <theymos> sipa: Is your language the same one covered by the Skandinavisk section on the forum? I asked D.H. to translate /critfix, but have you already done it?
213 2012-03-17 01:01:29 <sipa> sec, i'll fix them myself
214 2012-03-17 01:01:42 <BlueMatt> well, I missed a <br /> or two
215 2012-03-17 01:01:49 <sipa> theymos: dutch is not considered scandinavian, afaik
216 2012-03-17 01:01:59 <theymos> OK
217 2012-03-17 01:02:00 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: TheBlueMatt opened pull request 26 on bitcoin/bitcoin.org <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/pull/26>
218 2012-03-17 01:02:52 <BlueMatt> sipa: send corrections to me, Ill include them in spacing fix
219 2012-03-17 01:03:32 <Cryo> set the topic to say win32 only .1 update :)
220 2012-03-17 01:04:35 <sipa> BlueMatt: already pushed it myself
221 2012-03-17 01:04:42 <BlueMatt> nvm...
222 2012-03-17 01:06:33 <sipa> gavinandresen: version 59900 too, i believe
223 2012-03-17 01:06:53 <sipa> for people running old git heads
224 2012-03-17 01:07:40 <BlueMatt> sipa: gavinandresen https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/pull/27
225 2012-03-17 01:08:16 <sipa> gavinandresen is too fast
226 2012-03-17 01:08:24 <sipa> he merges quicker than his shadow
227 2012-03-17 01:09:26 <gavinandresen> sipa:  RE: git head version:  ACK (will look to see if that is CLIENT_VERSION or PROTOCOL_VERSION...)
228 2012-03-17 01:10:26 <sipa> CLIENT_VERSION
229 2012-03-17 01:10:38 <sipa> PROTOCOL_VERSION has always been 60000, afaik
230 2012-03-17 01:10:40 <BlueMatt> ok, I think I did my part: Im off for a while...
231 2012-03-17 01:10:42 <BlueMatt> if you have further translations, see sipa
232 2012-03-17 01:11:01 <sipa> i'm going to bed soon
233 2012-03-17 01:12:30 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: TheBlueMatt opened pull request 27 on bitcoin/bitcoin.org <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/pull/27>
234 2012-03-17 01:13:10 <sipa> gribble: you're slow!
235 2012-03-17 01:13:19 <sipa> gavinandresen: so just match on the subversion for 0.5.99
236 2012-03-17 01:13:56 <gavinandresen> 0.5.99 was before CLIENT/PROTOCOL, so it is equal to PROTOCOL_VERSION=59900
237 2012-03-17 01:15:55 <HostFat> I'm going to open a pull request to add link to transifex, do you have a preferential place where put the link?
238 2012-03-17 01:16:31 <HostFat> Resources/Community ?
239 2012-03-17 01:16:41 <[Tycho]> Heh, found the roots of new mining botnet :) It was included in the "Diablo 3 beta" archive at TPB :)
240 2012-03-17 01:17:07 <sipa> HostFat: i believe we need a separate "How to contribute" or something like that page, with links to github, sg, transifex, ...
241 2012-03-17 01:17:11 <sipa> s/sg/sf/
242 2012-03-17 01:17:21 <sipa> gavinandresen: ACK
243 2012-03-17 01:17:30 <forsetifox> Nice Tycho.
244 2012-03-17 01:17:38 <forsetifox> Hijack it!
245 2012-03-17 01:17:46 <[Tycho]> How ?
246 2012-03-17 01:17:53 <forsetifox> I dunno. Do code stuff.
247 2012-03-17 01:18:03 <gavinandresen> sipa: alert 2013 for version 59900 broadcast.  That's 3 alerts which should cover all the affected versions.
248 2012-03-17 01:18:06 <[Tycho]> It was already pointed to my pool (and banned now)
249 2012-03-17 01:18:55 <forsetifox> It's a CPU bitcoin miner?
250 2012-03-17 01:19:37 <sipa> [Tycho]: let them mine, but don't pay out ;)
251 2012-03-17 01:19:47 <forsetifox> Haha. Good idea. XD
252 2012-03-17 01:19:50 <sipa> (kidding, ban it)
253 2012-03-17 01:19:55 <forsetifox> Aww.
254 2012-03-17 01:20:20 <[Tycho]> Don't paying out is a bad idea sometimes. Of course it's banned.
255 2012-03-17 01:21:08 <denisx> how do you ban it?
256 2012-03-17 01:21:36 <[Tycho]> Not accepting any shares from it
257 2012-03-17 01:22:43 <theymos> gavinandresen:  Did you send 1011? My node didn't receive it.
258 2012-03-17 01:23:41 <gavinandresen> theymos: yes, at least I think I sent it...
259 2012-03-17 01:24:20 <theymos> My 0.5.3 node with 39 connections didn't get it, and neither did my 0.3.15 node with 7 connections.
260 2012-03-17 01:25:03 <jrmithdobbs> i got it on 6.0.0-rc3-ish bitcoind
261 2012-03-17 01:25:41 <jrmithdobbs> in fact, how do i make it go away, haha
262 2012-03-17 01:27:00 <gavinandresen> theymos: ok, maybe it didn't make it out for some reason
263 2012-03-17 01:27:21 <sipa> starting a 0.5.3 node now
264 2012-03-17 01:28:30 <luke-jr> I'm confused. How are gitian builds deterministic when the Linux binaries contain my *nix username? -.-
265 2012-03-17 01:28:59 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: ^
266 2012-03-17 01:28:59 <sipa> they do? :o
267 2012-03-17 01:29:04 <luke-jr> sipa: apparently 0.5.3 does at least
268 2012-03-17 01:29:26 <sipa> strange; how could my 0.5.3 build match yours then?
269 2012-03-17 01:29:31 <luke-jr> that's what I'm wondering
270 2012-03-17 01:29:57 <sipa> gavinandresen: nothing in the errors field
271 2012-03-17 01:30:20 <gavinandresen> sipa: ok, I'll try a second time
272 2012-03-17 01:31:35 <theymos> Got it now.
273 2012-03-17 01:31:46 <gavinandresen> good
274 2012-03-17 01:31:58 <sipa> me too
275 2012-03-17 01:32:00 <jrmithdobbs> is there a "clear errors" rpc call?
276 2012-03-17 01:32:04 <theymos> Did you send 1013? I don't see that one in my logs, either.
277 2012-03-17 01:32:27 <luke-jr> sipa: do you still have your 053 build?
278 2012-03-17 01:32:50 <sipa> luke-jr: http://bitcoin.sipa.be/builds/0.5.3rc4/
279 2012-03-17 01:33:11 <gmaxwell> Attn Windows Bitcoin GUI users: There is a potential security hole fixed by 0.5.3.1 / 0.6.0rc4. PLEASE UPGRADE. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=69120.0
280 2012-03-17 01:33:18 <gavinandresen> theymos: should've sent 1013, although the sendalert code is a bit of a hack so I wouldn't be surprised if there's a timing bug
281 2012-03-17 01:34:21 <sipa> 0.6.0rc3 also shows the alert
282 2012-03-17 01:34:31 <jrmithdobbs> so, afaict there's no way to clear that message from a client without a restart? annoying
283 2012-03-17 01:34:31 <luke-jr> oh, I think I see why
284 2012-03-17 01:34:40 <luke-jr> it must have come from repacking with the renamed directory
285 2012-03-17 01:34:49 <jrmithdobbs> qt isn't even istalled on this box =/
286 2012-03-17 01:35:06 <theymos> jrmithdobbs: You need to upgrade to make it go away.
287 2012-03-17 01:35:20 <jrmithdobbs> theymos: I don't need to upgrade
288 2012-03-17 01:35:58 <sipa> actually, if you were running 0.5.3 bitcoind or are not on windows, there is no reason nor possibility to upgrade
289 2012-03-17 01:36:11 <jrmithdobbs> ya, that's annoying
290 2012-03-17 01:36:39 <jrmithdobbs> w/e, i'll just git pull and comment out the alert code
291 2012-03-17 01:36:46 <luke-jr> lol
292 2012-03-17 01:37:08 <gavinandresen> or you can bump your version number
293 2012-03-17 01:37:27 <jrmithdobbs> i watch the dev list, the alerts are nothing but annoyance to me
294 2012-03-17 01:37:33 <gavinandresen> or wait a few days for 0.5.4 to come out with the BIP16 backports
295 2012-03-17 01:37:33 <jrmithdobbs> tbqh, I don't like that feature even existing
296 2012-03-17 01:40:45 <gavinandresen> alert 1013 for version 0.5.99 resent (and I fixed the bug, the sendalert code wasn't sleeping long enough for the network to get connected....)
297 2012-03-17 01:41:12 <theymos> Got the alert. Can you send me the fixed sendalert code sometime?
298 2012-03-17 01:41:54 <gavinandresen> theymos: will do
299 2012-03-17 01:42:16 <loktigon> alerts are cool
300 2012-03-17 01:42:42 <loktigon> but we should add the ability to include a midi file in the alert, to play some appropriately themed music
301 2012-03-17 01:42:57 <loktigon> like a funeral dirge if something bad happened, or a dixieland ragtime if its good news
302 2012-03-17 01:43:01 <sipa> midi? why not a full HD movie?
303 2012-03-17 01:43:10 <loktigon> i like the retro sound
304 2012-03-17 01:43:44 <sipa> stream the movie 'Hackers' entirely for security updates
305 2012-03-17 01:43:57 <sipa> let the MPAA try to shutdown bitcoin, ha!
306 2012-03-17 01:44:06 <sipa> (actually, bad idea!)
307 2012-03-17 01:45:29 <loktigon> emergency broadcast system is a good idea
308 2012-03-17 01:46:24 <theymos> The midi should be of that annoying emergency broadcast system noise.
309 2012-03-17 01:47:47 <loktigon> i wonder why they chose that sound. must be some reason
310 2012-03-17 01:47:52 <jrmithdobbs> there does need to be a clear error/alert rpc call though
311 2012-03-17 01:48:06 <jrmithdobbs> if it's going to be used for things that don't affect everyone (like this)
312 2012-03-17 01:48:11 <freewil> what happens to the errors field if another alert is sent out
313 2012-03-17 01:48:26 <theymos> freewil: The alert with higher priority is displayed.
314 2012-03-17 01:48:42 <freewil> ok that makes sense
315 2012-03-17 01:49:13 <jrmithdobbs> theymos: send one for 60000 that just says error: no error
316 2012-03-17 01:49:27 <jrmithdobbs> heh
317 2012-03-17 01:50:25 <theymos> You could also send one that cancels INT_MAX, making it impossible to send future alerts. IMO Bitcoin should display a warning message if an alert with INT_MAX is received, since this would indicate that the alert key is compromised.
318 2012-03-17 01:55:05 <gmaxwell> theymos: prefab alert message text for INT_MAX?
319 2012-03-17 01:55:16 <theymos> Right.
320 2012-03-17 01:55:52 <theymos> "Warning: the alert key is compromised. Probably you need to upgrade, but be careful of who you trust." or something.
321 2012-03-17 01:56:05 <loktigon> gavinandresen is a bitcoin hero
322 2012-03-17 01:56:40 <gavinandresen> theymos: good idea.  Way low on the priority list, though....
323 2012-03-17 01:57:15 <loktigon> the speed with which this issue was identified, patched, and alerted is amazing
324 2012-03-17 01:57:18 <gmaxwell> The emergency broadcast sound isn't a sound. It's FSK modulated data.
325 2012-03-17 01:57:28 <gmaxwell> (at 300 baud? I forget)
326 2012-03-17 01:57:43 <loktigon> oh
327 2012-03-17 01:57:46 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: iirc
328 2012-03-17 01:58:04 <gmaxwell> I've had the odd honor of actually running one of those tests. :)
329 2012-03-17 01:58:16 <gavinandresen> those emergency broadcasts are actually an alien conspiracy.  I read it on the internet.
330 2012-03-17 02:04:33 <luke-jr> theymos: they'd just use INT_MAX-1
331 2012-03-17 02:05:03 <theymos> luke-jr: Yeah, but then the remaining honest alert key holders would use INT_MAX and activate the failsafe.
332 2012-03-17 02:05:09 <luke-jr> i c
333 2012-03-17 02:06:25 <hctib> Hello
334 2012-03-17 02:07:52 <hctib> Is the security issue relevent for the ubuntu release?
335 2012-03-17 02:08:05 <theymos> No.
336 2012-03-17 02:08:07 <jrmithdobbs> no
337 2012-03-17 02:08:11 <jrmithdobbs> aint the alert annoying
338 2012-03-17 02:08:27 <luke-jr> maybe platform needs to be added to alerts <.<
339 2012-03-17 02:08:43 <hctib> No it's not that bad, I have a windows wallet and a linux wallet.
340 2012-03-17 02:08:56 <hctib> Updating the windows client now.
341 2012-03-17 02:09:46 <theymos> luke-jr: It can be targetted based on OS if the user agent string starts including that info.
342 2012-03-17 02:10:33 <luke-jr> theymos: good luck with that when they refuse to even include Qt vs bitcoind
343 2012-03-17 02:12:00 <hctib> OK, my windows client should be secured.  Thanks for all you do.
344 2012-03-17 02:12:05 <theymos> There's no risk in including the OS, since the attacker can easily figure out the OS from TPC behavior (I guess -- whatever nmap does).
345 2012-03-17 02:12:58 <phantomcircuit> util.cpp:740 is unnecessary
346 2012-03-17 02:14:19 <da2ce7> maybe we should have serverity, OS, version, and client feilds in the alerts.
347 2012-03-17 02:14:45 <hctib> Is there a discussion about this security issue on the forum?
348 2012-03-17 02:15:27 <Diablo-D3> theymos: Ill make a deal with you
349 2012-03-17 02:15:36 <Diablo-D3> theymos: ban luke and I wont kill him.
350 2012-03-17 02:15:59 <theymos> :)
351 2012-03-17 02:16:11 <hctib> bye bye
352 2012-03-17 02:16:14 <Diablo-D3> he keeps reporting goat's legitimate question on the eligius thread
353 2012-03-17 02:16:28 <Diablo-D3> I think he should be banned for abusing the report feature.
354 2012-03-17 02:16:35 <luke-jr> s/legitimate question/troll/
355 2012-03-17 02:16:36 <loktigon> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=69120.0
356 2012-03-17 02:16:51 <Diablo-D3> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=23768.msg785993#msg785993
357 2012-03-17 02:16:51 <hctib> loktigon:  Thanks
358 2012-03-17 02:17:03 <hctib> Diablo-D3: Thanks
359 2012-03-17 02:17:51 <Diablo-D3> no, mine was for theymos
360 2012-03-17 02:18:06 <Diablo-D3> I think its a perfectly legitimate question
361 2012-03-17 02:18:06 <theymos> Yeah, it's a legitimate question.
362 2012-03-17 02:18:52 <Diablo-D3> theymos: hes reported it like 5 times even after I told him I wont remove it
363 2012-03-17 02:19:42 <theymos> luke-jr: Please don't do that.
364 2012-03-17 02:20:00 <luke-jr> theymos: it's not a legitimate question. Goat is a known troll.
365 2012-03-17 02:20:19 <theymos> I don't think he's a troll. Sometimes he's annoying and overly-dramatic, but I think he's sincere.
366 2012-03-17 02:20:39 <Diablo-D3> I think the proper term is "asshole". Goat is an asshole.
367 2012-03-17 02:20:39 <luke-jr> he's proved he isn't.
368 2012-03-17 02:20:39 <theymos> And that's a legitimate post, regardless.
369 2012-03-17 02:21:26 <luke-jr> theymos: he continues to spread FUD about Eligius; this post is just an implicit version of that.
370 2012-03-17 02:22:00 <theymos> Start a topic about it in "Meta" and the community can discuss it.
371 2012-03-17 02:22:24 <Diablo-D3> theymos: speaking of which, why dont I have mod powers in meta yet.
372 2012-03-17 02:22:42 <theymos> lol, you'd ban everyone!
373 2012-03-17 02:22:49 <luke-jr> lol
374 2012-03-17 02:22:52 <Diablo-D3> so?
375 2012-03-17 02:23:29 <luke-jr> theymos: I shouldn't have to debate with the community to ban a known troll from my forum thread.
376 2012-03-17 02:23:41 <da2ce7> theymos: I recomend that you should make luke-jr a mod in meta
377 2012-03-17 02:23:48 <Diablo-D3> bwahahah
378 2012-03-17 02:23:49 <Diablo-D3> o wow
379 2012-03-17 02:23:53 <luke-jr> da2ce7: I ignore it.
380 2012-03-17 02:23:55 <Diablo-D3> theymos: DO EEET
381 2012-03-17 02:24:06 <theymos> luke-jr might be even worse than Diablo-D3. :)
382 2012-03-17 02:24:10 <luke-jr> theymos: do it or not, I'll probably never use it.
383 2012-03-17 02:24:18 <luke-jr> I don't even read Meta, let alone care to mod it.
384 2012-03-17 02:24:22 <Diablo-D3> In a breech of etiquette, I fucking double dog dare you
385 2012-03-17 02:24:59 <jrmithdobbs> the internet in general would be a better place without luke
386 2012-03-17 02:25:02 <jrmithdobbs> s/internet/world/
387 2012-03-17 02:25:15 <Diablo-D3> jrmithdobbs: I concur.
388 2012-03-17 02:25:35 <Diablo-D3> I should start a post in bitcoin general and see if I can raise bitcoins for an assassination
389 2012-03-17 02:25:48 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: i finally ignored him earlier for getting pissy because i missed a response from him that didn't include a nick (no highlight) and then went to dinner ;p
390 2012-03-17 02:25:49 <Diablo-D3> *several million btc later...*
391 2012-03-17 02:25:57 <gavinandresen> G'night all.
392 2012-03-17 02:26:02 <Diablo-D3> night gavin
393 2012-03-17 02:26:05 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: should've done it 6 months ago
394 2012-03-17 02:26:16 <Diablo-D3> jrmithdobbs: I shoulda done it at the $30 mark
395 2012-03-17 02:26:25 <Diablo-D3> I'd be fucking rich
396 2012-03-17 02:26:39 <Diablo-D3> infact, I'd be one of the most powerful men alive
397 2012-03-17 02:26:56 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: o i meant the ignore, but ya, you should have
398 2012-03-17 02:29:55 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: the posts that you keep reporting suck indeed, and they are trolling but I always ignore your reports because taking action would create _more_ trolling.
399 2012-03-17 02:30:37 <[Tycho]> How the new client calculates required fee for big TXes ? Is the fee amount from settings used or not ?
400 2012-03-17 02:30:48 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: you'd think by now you'd figure out that pretty much everything directed at you that isn't hash power is trolling and ignore it
401 2012-03-17 02:30:54 <Diablo-D3> [Tycho]: the fee from settings controls if it asks or not
402 2012-03-17 02:31:00 <Diablo-D3> ie, set zero, it asks you if the fee is okay first
403 2012-03-17 02:31:04 <Diablo-D3> in all cases
404 2012-03-17 02:31:05 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: but that'd require you to not be on the downs spectrum
405 2012-03-17 02:31:15 <gmaxwell> [Tycho]: the setting fee is used, sure. if there is a non-zero setting fee then it overrides the anti-dos fees (unless the anti-dos fees are larger)
406 2012-03-17 02:31:43 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: there haven't been any changes to fees in a while
407 2012-03-17 02:31:47 <gmaxwell> jrmithdobbs: be nice. Luke is a good guy.
408 2012-03-17 02:31:58 <Diablo-D3> gmaxwell: yeah, but it should never overfee, right?
409 2012-03-17 02:32:17 <gmaxwell> Diablo-D3: if you tell it to pay 10 BTC per 1000 bytes then thats what it'll do.
410 2012-03-17 02:32:20 <[Tycho]> gmaxwell: but if the TX is more than 1 Kb then the fee from settings is used only once and 0.0005 is multiplied ?
411 2012-03-17 02:32:22 <Diablo-D3> man
412 2012-03-17 02:32:26 <Diablo-D3> Ill leave it at zero then
413 2012-03-17 02:32:30 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: i disagree and have never made a secret of that fact
414 2012-03-17 02:32:39 <gmaxwell> [Tycho]: No, it's a fee per 1000 bytes.
415 2012-03-17 02:32:50 <[Tycho]> gmaxwell: are you sure ? That's cool.
416 2012-03-17 02:33:11 <gmaxwell> Attn Windows Bitcoin GUI users: There is a potential security hole fixed by 0.5.3.1 / 0.6.0rc4. PLEASE UPGRADE. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=69120.0
417 2012-03-17 02:34:18 <gmaxwell> ParseMoney(mapArgs["-paytxfee"], nTransactionFee); ... int64 nPayFee = nTransactionFee * (1 + (int64)nBytes / 1000);
418 2012-03-17 02:34:27 <Diablo-D3> well I think I can finally buy the 7970
419 2012-03-17 02:34:39 <gmaxwell> though, if you set it over .25 BTC/kb the gui will warn you apparently.
420 2012-03-17 02:35:19 <[Tycho]> gmaxwell: but if user's fee is set to 0 is asks only 0.0005 per Kb when needed ?
421 2012-03-17 02:37:33 <gmaxwell> [Tycho]: Correct if the users fee is zero it will apply 0.0005 to low priority transactions. (which wouldn't even get relayed without a fee)
422 2012-03-17 02:38:57 <gmaxwell> if the user's fee is non-zero it will apply that to everything unless the txn is low priority and their fee is less that 0.0005 per thousand bytes.
423 2012-03-17 02:38:58 <imsaguy> Diablo-D3: they're only 550-600 on amazon, depending on brand.
424 2012-03-17 02:39:19 <[Tycho]> gmaxwell: thanks.
425 2012-03-17 02:39:47 <Diablo-D3> imsaguy: yeah, and they're that on newegg
426 2012-03-17 02:39:58 <Diablo-D3> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127652
427 2012-03-17 02:40:00 <Diablo-D3> gonna buy that
428 2012-03-17 02:40:18 <imsaguy> I mention amazon because of the people selling discounting amazon gc in the forums
429 2012-03-17 02:40:32 <gmaxwell> Per-kb as a user knob kinda stinks because the size of txn can be rather surprising.. you can have a 50kb transaction that only pays .2 BTC (becuase its using tiny inputs) ... and then make a 100 BTC transaction which is only 230 bytes...
430 2012-03-17 02:40:35 <imsaguy> s/discounting/discounted/
431 2012-03-17 02:40:56 <Diablo-D3> stock clocked at 1010mhz
432 2012-03-17 02:41:37 <Diablo-D3> instead of 925
433 2012-03-17 02:42:06 <[Tycho]> "This card does not quite run Crysis 2 w/ Hi-res pack on full 1080p/ highest settings possible, but it comes close"... But which card will do it then ? :)
434 2012-03-17 02:42:19 <Diablo-D3> [Tycho]: 7990
435 2012-03-17 02:42:27 <Diablo-D3> also the high res pack is misnomered
436 2012-03-17 02:42:33 <[Tycho]> Does it exists ?
437 2012-03-17 02:42:41 <Diablo-D3> yes
438 2012-03-17 02:42:44 <Diablo-D3> they're just behind schedule
439 2012-03-17 02:43:06 <Diablo-D3> its an otherwise normal dual gpu board, in the same vein as the 6990 and 5970
440 2012-03-17 02:43:31 <Diablo-D3> the crysis 2 high res pack replaces all the compressed textures with uncompressed ones
441 2012-03-17 02:43:38 <[Tycho]> Why ?
442 2012-03-17 02:43:47 <Diablo-D3> for wanking.
443 2012-03-17 02:44:04 <Diablo-D3> they're 1 mip map level bigger than the compressed ones
444 2012-03-17 02:44:11 <Diablo-D3> and it really rapes memory bandwidth
445 2012-03-17 02:44:12 <Diablo-D3> ALSO
446 2012-03-17 02:44:20 <Diablo-D3> cyrsis 2 already uses high end compression techniques
447 2012-03-17 02:44:32 <Diablo-D3> its not like it uses something stupid like s3tc or anything
448 2012-03-17 02:44:42 <[Tycho]> I remember watching some Crysis video on YouTube and laughing at their nuclear explosion FX :)
449 2012-03-17 02:45:27 <[Tycho]> They did the mushroom cloud complete with the smoke trails, LOL
450 2012-03-17 02:45:35 <Diablo-D3> yeah its silly
451 2012-03-17 02:45:39 <Diablo-D3> crysis looks like shit
452 2012-03-17 02:45:45 <Diablo-D3> it always will
453 2012-03-17 02:48:29 <neofutur> hi all, is it possible to have bitcoind use a readonly blockchain ?
454 2012-03-17 02:48:42 <[Tycho]> Hello.
455 2012-03-17 02:48:50 <neofutur> example : sharing a sshfs between more than one machine
456 2012-03-17 02:49:03 <Diablo-D3> neofutur: no
457 2012-03-17 02:49:32 <Diablo-D3> so
458 2012-03-17 02:49:33 <Diablo-D3> my cart
459 2012-03-17 02:49:37 <Diablo-D3> 1 delta afb1212hhe fan
460 2012-03-17 02:49:38 <jrmithdobbs> neofutur: of course not
461 2012-03-17 02:49:41 <Diablo-D3> 1 msi 7970.
462 2012-03-17 02:49:43 <neofutur> ;( would allow me to save a bunch of diskspace and bandwidth
463 2012-03-17 02:49:56 <Diablo-D3> and the 7970 comes with a 6 to 8 cable
464 2012-03-17 02:50:04 <da2ce7> ok... everyone re-tweet this: https://twitter.com/#!/da2ce7/status/180863400228814848
465 2012-03-17 02:50:10 <Diablo-D3> da2ce7: no one uses twitter
466 2012-03-17 02:50:11 <neofutur> jrmithdobbs: blockchain is already 2 GB / machine
467 2012-03-17 02:50:12 <Diablo-D3> use identica instead
468 2012-03-17 02:50:26 <neofutur> having a blockchain provider will be neecessary for light clients
469 2012-03-17 02:50:40 <neofutur> jrmithdobbs: why "of course"
470 2012-03-17 02:50:57 <jrmithdobbs> neofutur: so? how would a p2p client keep the data file containing the data from the p2p network it's validating and saving and indexing read only?
471 2012-03-17 02:51:05 <jrmithdobbs> it's like you don't understand how computers work at all
472 2012-03-17 02:51:16 <gmaxwell> Diablo-D3: about damn time!
473 2012-03-17 02:51:20 <jrmithdobbs> that's why "of course"
474 2012-03-17 02:51:26 <neofutur> its like you dont understand light clients cant have 3 GB blockchain locally
475 2012-03-17 02:51:32 <Diablo-D3> gmaxwell: well, its not my fucking fault AMD sat on their fucking asses for 2 fucking months
476 2012-03-17 02:51:52 <jrmithdobbs> neofutur: i fully understand that, so go run bitcoinj instead of trying to do crazy things like run bitcoind with a ro blockchain
477 2012-03-17 02:51:54 <Diablo-D3> seriously, all I asked for was a driver that wasnt fucking fucktarded
478 2012-03-17 02:52:00 <neofutur> other clietns do it but it seems impossible with bitcoind
479 2012-03-17 02:52:13 <Diablo-D3> does anyone think Ive forgotten something?
480 2012-03-17 02:52:16 <neofutur> and I wonder wehy "of course"
481 2012-03-17 02:52:18 <Diablo-D3> 7970, fan
482 2012-03-17 02:52:19 <luke-jr> neofutur: you could probably do it if you hack the code a bit
483 2012-03-17 02:52:24 <jrmithdobbs> neofutur: because bitcoind isn't a light client
484 2012-03-17 02:52:35 <luke-jr> neofutur: reduce the blk file size limits, then copy the index and hardlink the static file
485 2012-03-17 02:52:41 <neofutur> luke-jr: i was thinking of it, would be a great use flag for the gentoo ebuild
486 2012-03-17 02:52:58 <jrmithdobbs> oh, understanding of computers explained: gentoo
487 2012-03-17 02:53:06 <luke-jr> neofutur: it wouldn't be secure though
488 2012-03-17 02:53:13 <neofutur> oh understanding of trolls : jrmithdobbs
489 2012-03-17 02:53:38 <jrmithdobbs> why do you care if it can use a ro blockchain if it's crashing every 30 seconds thanks to -O5 -funroll-loops -fomit-frame-pointer
490 2012-03-17 02:53:40 <neofutur> luke-jr: why not secure with my blockchain being mounted by sshfs
491 2012-03-17 02:53:41 <neofutur> ?
492 2012-03-17 02:53:44 <jrmithdobbs> ;p
493 2012-03-17 02:53:55 <luke-jr> neofutur: because the client doesn't reverify its blockchain
494 2012-03-17 02:54:02 <luke-jr> it just assumes it's valid
495 2012-03-17 02:54:09 <Diablo-D3> lol -O5
496 2012-03-17 02:54:16 <neofutur> thats ok if i m my own blockchain provider ;)
497 2012-03-17 02:54:20 <luke-jr> yes
498 2012-03-17 02:54:44 <Diablo-D3> oh right, usb extension
499 2012-03-17 02:54:55 <Diablo-D3> so I can pull my case out without the mouse getting unplugged
500 2012-03-17 02:55:28 <qpzijre> can anyone verify that Daniel Folkinshteyn with key  C95594B2 is legit? he's not listed under  developers on bitcoin.org
501 2012-03-17 02:56:31 <luke-jr> qpzijre: I can verify he's trustworthy, and that is the key I have for him; I cannot verify that key is actually correct.
502 2012-03-17 02:56:52 <qpzijre> hmm. shouldnt bitcoin releses be signed by more than one dev?
503 2012-03-17 02:57:03 <luke-jr> they are.
504 2012-03-17 02:57:08 <Diablo-D3> anyone?
505 2012-03-17 02:57:15 <Diablo-D3> no other ideas on what I should buy?
506 2012-03-17 02:57:24 <Diablo-D3> Im at $613
507 2012-03-17 02:57:36 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: pizza is always good
508 2012-03-17 02:57:40 <Diablo-D3> hurr
509 2012-03-17 02:57:41 <qpzijre> luke-jr: not for 0.5.3.1 at least
510 2012-03-17 02:57:46 <forsetifox> I would go for chinese food.
511 2012-03-17 02:57:58 <Diablo-D3> s&h is $1.93 lawlz
512 2012-03-17 02:58:01 <neofutur> qpzijre: iirc Daniel Folkinshteyn is nanotube
513 2012-03-17 02:58:02 <qpzijre> unless i'm just not looking in the right place
514 2012-03-17 02:58:04 <luke-jr> qpzijre: I expect BlueMatt, gavin, and/or gmaxwell signed it
515 2012-03-17 02:58:13 <luke-jr> qpzijre: gitian sigs repo
516 2012-03-17 02:58:56 <qpzijre> hm ok. thanks
517 2012-03-17 02:59:16 <qpzijre> i'll wait for that before running
518 2012-03-17 02:59:19 <qpzijre> no rush for me though
519 2012-03-17 03:00:42 <luke-jr> whoever cleaned out the SF files& I suggest removing 0.3.24 too, and adding 0.4.4
520 2012-03-17 03:02:56 <Cory> Should the alert be displayed on rc4?
521 2012-03-17 03:04:12 <gmaxwell> What were the fee comments on the vuln. thread that got nuked? I missed them.
522 2012-03-17 03:04:34 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: some n00bs were claiming the fees were raised or something
523 2012-03-17 03:04:37 <dwon> So, where's the git repo that contains 0.5.3.1?  I don't see a v0.5.3.1 tag in any of my remote repos (bitcoin, luke-jr, and bitcoin-stable).
524 2012-03-17 03:04:47 <luke-jr> dwon: it's not public until people have a chance to upgrade
525 2012-03-17 03:04:57 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: was it that shadow person?
526 2012-03-17 03:04:57 <theymos> cipherdoc was asking about whether the fee rules changed in 0.6.
527 2012-03-17 03:05:05 <luke-jr> dwon: to avoid potential attackers from exploiting it
528 2012-03-17 03:05:08 <dwon> luke-jr: that kind of screws those of us who run our own builds...
529 2012-03-17 03:05:09 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: I forget.
530 2012-03-17 03:05:15 <luke-jr> dwon: on Windows?
531 2012-03-17 03:05:43 <dwon> luke-jr: not me, but if that's your procedure... :(
532 2012-03-17 03:05:51 <luke-jr> dwon: the bug only affects Windows
533 2012-03-17 03:06:11 <dwon> sure, but what happens when there's a bug that affects Linux?  Are you expecting me to run some binary blob?
534 2012-03-17 03:06:31 <theymos> You can shut down the client for a few days in that case.
535 2012-03-17 03:06:34 <luke-jr> dwon: presumably we can deal with it slightly differnetly
536 2012-03-17 03:06:57 <theymos> For a very severe bug you wouldn't even want to release binaries, since someone could reverse-engineer them and figure out the bug.
537 2012-03-17 03:07:44 <[Tycho]> theymos: ...and never fix it ?
538 2012-03-17 03:08:07 <theymos> No, release source and binaries after everyone has seen the warning and has shut down their clients.
539 2012-03-17 03:08:09 <da2ce7> [Tycho]: announe the bug... then announce a time in a week ahead... for everyone to download and upadte at once.
540 2012-03-17 03:08:22 <dwon> I have a cool idea.  Compile a binary that lets me steal people's bitcoins, then release it, claiming it's the "fix" to a "security hole" in the official client.  By the time people figure out the problem, they're screwed.
541 2012-03-17 03:08:28 <da2ce7> *shut down the client in the meantime.
542 2012-03-17 03:08:47 <luke-jr> dwon: bitcoind/bitcoin-qt releases are signed by multiple independent developers
543 2012-03-17 03:08:58 <Diablo-D3> and now the 7970 is on the way!
544 2012-03-17 03:08:58 <theymos> That's what's specified on https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Contingency_plans for remote code execution attacks. (You should all contribute to this page, by the way.)
545 2012-03-17 03:09:02 <Diablo-D3> and lets hope I can fit it in my case
546 2012-03-17 03:09:38 <dwon> "Shut down the network" is not a great contingency plan for a financial network.
547 2012-03-17 03:09:50 <luke-jr> dwon: come up with a better plan
548 2012-03-17 03:09:50 <theymos> Better than "let everyone's money get stolen".
549 2012-03-17 03:10:22 <gmaxwell> dwon: If you're concerned about auditing the code, please audit the 0.6 codebase.
550 2012-03-17 03:10:49 <Diablo-D3> Sales Order Date:        3/16/2012 9:08:18 PM
551 2012-03-17 03:10:50 <Diablo-D3> $21.99
552 2012-03-17 03:10:52 <Diablo-D3> 1 x ($1.30) GENERIC 6 ft. USB 2.0 A Male to A Female Extension Cable (Black)
553 2012-03-17 03:10:54 <Diablo-D3> $1.30
554 2012-03-17 03:10:56 <Diablo-D3> Subtotal:
555 2012-03-17 03:10:58 <Diablo-D3> Tax:
556 2012-03-17 03:11:00 <Diablo-D3> Shipping and Handling:
557 2012-03-17 03:11:02 <Diablo-D3> Total Amount:
558 2012-03-17 03:11:20 <dwon> theymos: People's money won't be worth anything if it suddenly loses all liquidity.
559 2012-03-17 03:11:27 <luke-jr> dwon: https://github.com/luke-jr/bitcoin/commit/b2f0b7bf64ab82cf4f8fc3cca2e3bc208e153fb0 also needs auditing asap
560 2012-03-17 03:11:46 <theymos> dwon: Hopefully this kind of bug will never happen, or will at least be extremely rare.
561 2012-03-17 03:12:31 <emukshi> gmaxwell is a genius. he rawks. his contributions to bitcoin are awesome. i was just kidding before, when i said he was lame. cmon people, that was bullshit. gmaxwell is a brilliant genius. his CS knowledge is massive. (btw: i never signed anyone up for porn sites. that's ridiculous.)
562 2012-03-17 03:12:45 <luke-jr> &
563 2012-03-17 03:12:48 <dwon> gmaxwell: For me right now, it's less about auditing the code and more about the fact that I upgrade bitcoind by doing "git remote update && git checkout vWhatever && make -f makefile.unix".
564 2012-03-17 03:13:02 <gmaxwell> You can.
565 2012-03-17 03:13:06 <Diablo-D3> lol gmaxwell has trolls
566 2012-03-17 03:13:18 <Diablo-D3> you know, whatever the fuck happened to artforz
567 2012-03-17 03:13:20 <luke-jr> dwon: srsly, we need more auditing
568 2012-03-17 03:15:00 <dwon> luke-jr: Honestly, if I'm going to spend the time to wrap my head around a Bitcoin implementation, it won't be the Satoshi client.  It's way too uncommented, special-cased, and experimental, and it doesn't support simple things like import/export of private keys in a usable format.
569 2012-03-17 03:15:15 <luke-jr> dwon: all Bitcoin clients are special-cased now! :P
570 2012-03-17 03:15:23 <theymos> Other clients might not be correct, though.
571 2012-03-17 03:15:30 <luke-jr> and it does support import at least, IIRC
572 2012-03-17 03:15:35 <[Tycho]> Isn't import/export standard already ?
573 2012-03-17 03:16:01 <dwon> The latest stable release (v0.5.3 is the latest stable tag in git) doesn't support import/export.
574 2012-03-17 03:16:44 <luke-jr> dwon: 0.6 does/will
575 2012-03-17 03:17:26 <dwon> luke-jr: still, having only one widely-used implementation is not good for *any* network protocol.
576 2012-03-17 03:17:33 <luke-jr> dwon: I agree completely.
577 2012-03-17 03:17:58 <luke-jr> mtve started a Perl implementation <.<
578 2012-03-17 03:18:11 <emukshi> gmaxwell is not "incompetent". that's ridiculous. he's brilliant. he taught me a lot about how bitcoin works. the guy knows what the fuck is going on. gmaxwell ftw. i trolled him out of jealousy.
579 2012-03-17 03:18:27 <Diablo-D3> can someone ban that fucker already?
580 2012-03-17 03:19:51 <dwon> luke-jr: Actually, having multiple widely-used implementations would make the "shut down bitcoind" strategy a bit less terrible, especially if there were a common import/export format between clients.  It could become "use another implementation for a few days".
581 2012-03-17 03:21:31 <dwon> lol
582 2012-03-17 03:22:11 <da2ce7> gmaxwell: do you have a fan-club on facebook yet?
583 2012-03-17 03:22:17 <dwon> gmaxwell is pretty awesome *swoon*
584 2012-03-17 03:22:19 <k9quaint> gmaxwell: I'll be your fan
585 2012-03-17 03:22:20 <gmaxwell> Don't give them ideas.
586 2012-03-17 03:22:29 <gmaxwell> He's still in here, fwiw.
587 2012-03-17 03:22:47 <copumpkin> gmaxwell needs a twitter account, really
588 2012-03-17 03:22:51 <copumpkin> and a million followers
589 2012-03-17 03:22:51 <gmaxwell> But I'll pretend to not know that, so he'll continue to pretend to not be the troll. :)
590 2012-03-17 03:22:59 <k9quaint> I draw the line at being one of those Dyson Air Multipliers though
591 2012-03-17 03:31:25 <egecko> this page http://bitcoin.org/releases/2012/03/16/v0.5.3.1.html says about *0.5.3.1* "This is a bugfix-only release based on 0.5.1"
592 2012-03-17 03:31:48 <egecko> i presume that should be "based on 0.5.3"
593 2012-03-17 03:31:58 <gmaxwell> doh
594 2012-03-17 03:32:27 <egecko> :)
595 2012-03-17 03:33:11 <gmaxwell> Attn Windows Bitcoin GUI users: There is a potential security hole fixed by 0.5.3.1 / 0.6.0rc4. PLEASE UPGRADE. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=69120.0
596 2012-03-17 03:36:14 <luke-jr> egecko: no, 0.5.1
597 2012-03-17 03:36:30 <luke-jr> egecko: the last version before the feature-freeze
598 2012-03-17 03:37:44 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: hm. but that makes it sound like it excludes the fixes from 0.5.3.
599 2012-03-17 03:37:59 <gmaxwell> (though I see what you're getting at there)
600 2012-03-17 03:38:03 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: I agree, the wording isn't the best.
601 2012-03-17 03:38:08 <egecko> yes, it makes it sound like 0.5.3.1 is missing 0.5.2 and 0.5.3 fixes
602 2012-03-17 03:38:08 <luke-jr> I just can't think of a better way to put it :/
603 2012-03-17 03:38:29 <gmaxwell> (0.5.3 used the same language)
604 2012-03-17 03:38:39 <egecko> ive seen such things actually happen in the biznass world bion
605 2012-03-17 03:38:49 <egecko> makes a nightmare of the source control
606 2012-03-17 03:39:05 <gmaxwell> Oh sure... all the time.
607 2012-03-17 03:40:08 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: how about 0.5.3.1, 0.5.3, and 0.5.2 are bugfix-only releases based on 0.5.1.   ?
608 2012-03-17 03:40:46 <luke-jr> that list would get long
609 2012-03-17 03:41:27 <egecko> how about something like "0.5.1 is the feature freeze, all subsequent versions are patches based on this version"
610 2012-03-17 03:41:47 <egecko> until that statement is no longer true of course :)
611 2012-03-17 03:43:40 <dwon> On the topic of BIP 18 (since I can't post to the forum yet): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=68677.0
612 2012-03-17 03:44:15 <dwon> One benefit of deprecating a feature would be that new implementations wouldn't have to deal with some of the legacy features, such as sending to a non-P2SH address.
613 2012-03-17 03:45:32 <gmaxwell> IIRC that wasn't the goal of luke's deprecating.  Just to discourage anything new which wasn't p2sh.
614 2012-03-17 03:46:02 <gmaxwell> For legacy addresses we'll need to support them for many years at a minimum. And from the perspective of security and stability it's bad to push any deprecating too quickly.
615 2012-03-17 03:47:01 <luke-jr> there should be years between deprecation and removal
616 2012-03-17 03:47:02 <dwon> No, not everyone will have to support legacy addresses.  Depending on the kind of business I'm operating, I could simply say, "I'm not sending money to anyone who doesn't give me a P2SH address".
617 2012-03-17 03:47:07 <dwon> ^ today
618 2012-03-17 03:47:37 <luke-jr> the sooner deprecated, the sooner the years begin ticking :P
619 2012-03-17 03:47:41 <dwon> Considering that this is a security-critical protocol, some care should be put in to keep the minimal implementation minimal.
620 2012-03-17 03:49:06 <dwon> It doesn't even need to be years, either.  Most bitcoin transactions are sent to new addresses, right?  As soon as most people can getnewaddress a P2SH address, there's no real reason why anyone *must* have the ability to send to a non-P2SH address anymore.
621 2012-03-17 03:49:17 <dwon> s/anyone/everyone/
622 2012-03-17 03:49:23 <gmaxwell> dwon: then we end up forcing people onto it at an accelerated pace, and some issue is found it it and everyone is @#$@ed not just the early adopters. This is unacceptable.
623 2012-03-17 03:49:37 <gmaxwell> dwon: they should be sent to new address. Most are not.
624 2012-03-17 03:49:47 <Graet> ^^^^
625 2012-03-17 03:50:07 <egecko> P2SH?
626 2012-03-17 03:50:13 <luke-jr> IMO, probably in a year we can replace 1& addrs with P2SH, then a year or two after that, remove support for sending to 1&
627 2012-03-17 03:50:37 <dwon> gmaxwell: I'm not saying the Satoshi client should drop support for it, but a special-purpose, high-security minimal client could (say, for cold-storage), for example.
628 2012-03-17 03:50:58 <gmaxwell> Regardless ofit being deprecated, I expect a six months to a year before we can tell people to use P2SH for anything other than low value experimental usage.
629 2012-03-17 03:51:14 <gmaxwell> dwon: you can already do that today.
630 2012-03-17 03:51:14 <theymos> I consider regular address transactions to be a little more secure than P2SH transactions, since an attacker can't bruteforce the hash function without generating ECDSA keys. And regular pubkey transactions don't rely on RIPEMD-160 at all.
631 2012-03-17 03:52:56 <dwon> gmaxwell: I know.  I'm speaking more generally about the comment, "I don't see a point in "officially" depreciating something that must be supported forever anyway."
632 2012-03-17 03:53:19 <dwon> The only stuff that "must be supported forever" is what's needed to verify the block chain.  Everything else should be on the table.
633 2012-03-17 03:54:12 <gmaxwell> It's a fair comment. Because of the wide publication of 1_ addresses, I'm not sure that we wouldn't want to generally support them for a very long time... but fair enough.
634 2012-03-17 03:55:12 <dwon> gmaxwell: It's one of those MAY/SHOULD/MUST requirement things.  Eventually, there are going to be some good RFC-style protocol docs for Bitcoin, and we shouldn't have MUST requirements that aren't really MUST requirements.
635 2012-03-17 03:55:29 <dwon> Supporting 1_ addresses is a SHOULD, in my opinion.
636 2012-03-17 04:00:21 <dwon> theymos: I guess it would depend on how much of the work of generating ECDSA keys is actually spent on generating *strong* keys, vs keys that work at all.  One possible attack would be to generate weaker keys, trying to collide with the RIPEMD-160 hash in an unspent output, and then immediately spending it again to a stronger key.
637 2012-03-17 04:00:41 <gmaxwell> dwon: none.
638 2012-03-17 04:01:02 <theymos> gmaxwell pointed out that you can probably add arbitrary data to keys, so that criticism of mine is probably invalid.
639 2012-03-17 04:01:11 <gmaxwell> All of the ecc keys are strong (except the stupid case of the identity)
640 2012-03-17 04:01:41 <phantomcircuit> dwon, an ecc key is simply a very large random number
641 2012-03-17 04:01:48 <gmaxwell> it's not like RSA where you can make the generation a zillion times faster by not making it a near prime.
642 2012-03-17 04:03:44 <gmaxwell> theymos: even if,  any hash attack is likely to have fairly special structure like the md5 ones do, so the more freedom the better. And P2SH does have more freedom.
643 2012-03-17 04:04:28 <gmaxwell> If SHA256 turns out to be weak though, the signatures themselves are not secure.
644 2012-03-17 04:04:38 <dwon> ah that makes sense
645 2012-03-17 04:06:44 <gmaxwell> (e.g. I could ask you to sign TXN A ... which is a collision TXN B, both partially chosen by me... and thereby rob you though it would require a pretty horriffic breakdown in sha256)
646 2012-03-17 04:06:44 <jrmithdobbs> dwon: ecdsa are just random values so the quality depends on how good the random sources openssl depends on on your platform
647 2012-03-17 04:07:27 <jrmithdobbs> i still want to know why satoshi picked that particular curve, tho
648 2012-03-17 04:07:34 <jrmithdobbs> it seems to be pretty random just based on size
649 2012-03-17 04:08:20 <gmaxwell> jrmithdobbs: well, they're numbers on the particular field in use. The field operations are slower than the operations used in RSA by a large amount... which is why ECC key generation is slow at all.
650 2012-03-17 04:08:30 <gmaxwell> But there is no search component like there is in RSA
651 2012-03-17 04:09:19 <theymos> jrmithdobbs: He didn't have any particular reason for picking this curve. Bitcoin was created when ECDSA was pretty rare, and he didn't know which curves would be popular later on. He just guessed wrong.
652 2012-03-17 04:09:47 <gmaxwell> well. "wrong" He didn't pick one that has (yet) turned out to be unusually insecure.
653 2012-03-17 04:10:20 <gmaxwell> None of the other options available to him would be fast like ed25519 in any case.
654 2012-03-17 04:10:42 <jrmithdobbs> i've been playing with ed25519, shit's an impressive piece of work
655 2012-03-17 04:12:00 <gmaxwell> Yea.. it's fast. A lot faster than our curve+openssl
656 2012-03-17 04:13:08 <jrmithdobbs> especially the nacl implementations
657 2012-03-17 04:14:00 <jrmithdobbs> oddly enough, we have the US gov and the EU to thank for those ;p
658 2012-03-17 04:14:01 <dwon> I haven't seen ed25519 before.  How does it compare to Curve25519?
659 2012-03-17 04:14:09 <dwon> Is it the same thing?
660 2012-03-17 04:14:14 <jrmithdobbs> si
661 2012-03-17 04:14:49 <gmaxwell> No, it's different the edwards curve is an isomorphism to the curve25519 and gets the same security properties (according to some proof I didn't bother reading)
662 2012-03-17 04:15:55 <gmaxwell> dwon: what djb released w/ curve25519 did only ECDH, ed25519 is a complete setup for ecdsa-like signtures with a number of well considered design and implemention characteristics.
663 2012-03-17 04:16:50 <jrmithdobbs> it still derives all the magic speed the same way, it is different though, my bad
664 2012-03-17 04:17:41 <dwon> It's good that it's getting some traction.  Curve25519 seemed a bit abandoned, and I was afraid it would get forgotten in DJB-land like a lot of his other stuff.
665 2012-03-17 04:19:34 <dwon> Sigh.  I should probably start learning about ECC.  One day...
666 2012-03-17 04:19:36 <da2ce7> nacl is being used in the cjdns project.
667 2012-03-17 04:24:44 <Diablo-D3> djb's problem is he writes shit
668 2012-03-17 04:24:49 <Diablo-D3> he doesnt maintain shit
669 2012-03-17 04:25:46 <dwon> Diablo-D3: Actually, for an academic, his code is *fantastic*.
670 2012-03-17 04:26:25 <dwon> but yeah, he doesn't maintain it.  And for years, he released it under goofy, restrictive licenses.  (I suspect the latter had more influence on the lack of adoption of his software than "shitty code")
671 2012-03-17 04:26:36 <Diablo-D3> dwon: Im not questioning his code
672 2012-03-17 04:26:48 <Diablo-D3> Im questioning his involvement has a serial project lead.
673 2012-03-17 04:26:58 <Diablo-D3> he starts projects, finishes them, and then jumps ship
674 2012-03-17 04:27:31 <dwon> ... which would have been fine if it hadn't been for the licensing.  git and bitcoin had the same things happen, but other people took them over.
675 2012-03-17 04:27:51 <Diablo-D3> the licensing can largely be ignored
676 2012-03-17 04:28:04 <Diablo-D3> rewrite it from scratch under a more acceptable license and who cares what the original was
677 2012-03-17 04:28:46 <dwon> Well, I think that's what he originally wanted, but nobody bothered to rewrite qmail.
678 2012-03-17 04:29:21 <dwon> thie cjdns thing:  "Imagine an Internet where every packet is cryptographically protected from source to destination against espionage and forgery, getting an IP address is as simple as generating a cryptographic key"
679 2012-03-17 04:29:39 <dwon> I actually had a pipe dream of implementing something like that.  Now I don't have to. :)
680 2012-03-17 04:32:26 <Diablo-D3> yeah, that'd be easy to actually do
681 2012-03-17 04:33:11 <gmaxwell> Attn Windows Bitcoin GUI users: There is a potential security hole fixed by 0.5.3.1 / 0.6.0rc4. PLEASE UPGRADE. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=69120.0
682 2012-03-17 04:34:21 <Samuel> Hello
683 2012-03-17 04:41:27 <[Tycho]> "Legacy" normal scripts should be supported forever.
684 2012-03-17 04:41:45 <Diablo-D3> yes
685 2012-03-17 04:41:46 <Diablo-D3> well
686 2012-03-17 04:41:47 <Diablo-D3> they have to
687 2012-03-17 04:41:53 <Diablo-D3> the chain must always fully verify
688 2012-03-17 04:42:21 <[Tycho]> Luke come up with idea even worse than BIP16 itself, which wasn't easy.
689 2012-03-17 04:47:10 <da2ce7> [Tycho]: it is a step in the right direction.
690 2012-03-17 04:47:19 <[Tycho]> No.
691 2012-03-17 04:47:49 <da2ce7> you can oneday provide 'account balances' for all the legacy scripts... and cull of the old chain.
692 2012-03-17 04:47:52 <[Tycho]> I should have stopped that BIP16 at all...
693 2012-03-17 04:49:25 <theymos> BIP 16 isn't perfect, though it's useful and not harmful at all. BIP 18 seems useless to me (also not harmful, though).
694 2012-03-17 04:49:53 <[Tycho]> theymos: the harm comes from the idea of deprecating normal scripts
695 2012-03-17 04:50:54 <XMPPwocky> we should use Java for scripts instead
696 2012-03-17 04:50:57 <XMPPwocky> it's web-scale.
697 2012-03-17 04:51:07 <[Tycho]> No way
698 2012-03-17 04:51:20 <XMPPwocky> </joke>
699 2012-03-17 04:51:40 <[Tycho]> May be forth...
700 2012-03-17 04:51:43 <[Tycho]> Or APL
701 2012-03-17 04:51:57 <XMPPwocky> JCL~
702 2012-03-17 05:33:11 <gmaxwell> Attn Windows Bitcoin GUI users: There is a potential security hole fixed by 0.5.3.1 / 0.6.0rc4. PLEASE UPGRADE. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=69120.0
703 2012-03-17 05:40:02 <[Tycho]> I wonder if we will reach 90% BIP16 support before 01.04...
704 2012-03-17 05:40:34 <justmoon> [Tycho]: if not, we'll reach it instantly after :P
705 2012-03-17 05:40:48 <[Tycho]> It depends.
706 2012-03-17 05:40:57 <justmoon> how so?
707 2012-03-17 05:41:47 <justmoon> I'm sure someone will publish a non-BIP16 compliant transaction for the unupdated miners to trip over
708 2012-03-17 05:41:54 <[Tycho]> If we will be at 80%, then imagine - if for some reason Deepbit drops support then someone evil can instantly redeem all P2SH TXes and by the way make all other pools' blocks invalid.
709 2012-03-17 05:42:43 <justmoon> well, I'd hope deepbit not do that then *stern look*
710 2012-03-17 05:42:52 <[Tycho]> :)
711 2012-03-17 05:44:47 <[Tycho]> I'll recommend people to not send anything valuable with P2SH unless 90+% are reached.
712 2012-03-17 05:44:49 <da2ce7> justmoon: if deepbit drops it.. then we would just ddos the pool.
713 2012-03-17 05:44:51 <da2ce7> ha ha
714 2012-03-17 05:44:56 <justmoon> lol
715 2012-03-17 05:45:34 <[Tycho]> ...and the evil one can ddos all the other pools
716 2012-03-17 05:45:35 <justmoon> lynch law, tried and tested since 1755
717 2012-03-17 05:46:14 <da2ce7> deepbit would need to both drop it, AND stop mining the p2sh transactions...  if deepbit just goes down, it woudn't hurt the effort, (support would still be much above 50%)
718 2012-03-17 06:33:11 <gmaxwell> Attn Windows Bitcoin GUI users: There is a potential security hole fixed by 0.5.3.1 / 0.6.0rc4. PLEASE UPGRADE. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=69120.0
719 2012-03-17 07:08:40 <g2x3k> anyone that can explain what http://www.mpaste.net/view.php?q=FfST6u is ?
720 2012-03-17 07:08:53 <g2x3k> causes 100% cpu usage ..
721 2012-03-17 07:18:36 <g2x3k> anyone please ?
722 2012-03-17 07:18:48 <g2x3k> cripling my pool :(
723 2012-03-17 07:19:10 <tcatm> Are you running the latest stable version?
724 2012-03-17 07:19:22 <g2x3k> yea
725 2012-03-17 07:19:48 <tcatm> Can you try downloading the blockchain again?
726 2012-03-17 07:19:56 <g2x3k> yuh two sec
727 2012-03-17 07:21:10 <g2x3k> well bit of an understatement but ye
728 2012-03-17 07:25:20 <g2x3k> catching up from backup chain now
729 2012-03-17 07:25:39 <g2x3k> dosnt seem to have solved it tho
730 2012-03-17 07:26:03 <g2x3k> removed everything but wallet.dat but is there again
731 2012-03-17 07:27:22 <captain^k> that is unusual
732 2012-03-17 07:28:00 <tcatm> g2x3k: Can post a complete debug.log somewhere (maybe privately)?
733 2012-03-17 07:28:37 <captain^k> g2x3k: blockchain is available at http://eu1.bitcoincharts.com/blockchain/
734 2012-03-17 07:31:00 <g2x3k> isnt much more to log then whats in paste
735 2012-03-17 07:31:14 <g2x3k> it gonna have to wait
736 2012-03-17 07:33:11 <gmaxwell> Attn Windows Bitcoin GUI users: There is a potential security hole fixed by 0.5.3.1 / 0.6.0rc4. PLEASE UPGRADE. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=69120.0
737 2012-03-17 07:55:22 <DrHaribo> damnit... long invalid fork on testnet again
738 2012-03-17 07:58:48 <DrHaribo> nevermind, caught up already
739 2012-03-17 08:07:07 <g2x3k> found a spotify plugin dev that was up for challenge :P ^^
740 2012-03-17 08:33:11 <gmaxwell> Attn Windows Bitcoin GUI users: There is a potential security hole fixed by 0.5.3.1 / 0.6.0rc4. PLEASE UPGRADE. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=69120.0
741 2012-03-17 08:52:33 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: Diapolo opened issue 943 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/943>
742 2012-03-17 09:05:28 <_Fireball> gmaxwell, it would be useful to put that to the channel topic
743 2012-03-17 09:12:35 <jeremias> I can't get the JSON-RPC to work, is there a way to test it from the command line
744 2012-03-17 09:18:28 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: guru777 opened issue 944 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/944>
745 2012-03-17 09:33:11 <gmaxwell> Attn Windows Bitcoin GUI users: There is a potential security hole fixed by 0.5.3.1 / 0.6.0rc4. PLEASE UPGRADE. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=69120.0
746 2012-03-17 10:33:11 <gmaxwell> Attn Windows Bitcoin GUI users: There is a potential security hole fixed by 0.5.3.1 / 0.6.0rc4. PLEASE UPGRADE. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=69120.0
747 2012-03-17 10:41:15 <_Fireball> jeremias, yes, it's very easy "bitcoind getinfo" for example would invoke the command via JSON-RPC interface
748 2012-03-17 10:56:31 <[Tycho]> Hello.
749 2012-03-17 11:33:11 <gmaxwell> Attn Windows Bitcoin GUI users: There is a potential security hole fixed by 0.5.3.1 / 0.6.0rc4. PLEASE UPGRADE. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=69120.0
750 2012-03-17 12:33:11 <gmaxwell> Attn Windows Bitcoin GUI users: There is a potential security hole fixed by 0.5.3.1 / 0.6.0rc4. PLEASE UPGRADE. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=69120.0
751 2012-03-17 12:49:42 <Zarutian> re midi in bitcoin alerts: why not just use .mod or .it music-modules? Could include any kind of sample you like.
752 2012-03-17 13:00:50 <abracadabra> i'm looking at the transaction list on the gui bitcoin client
753 2012-03-17 13:01:09 <abracadabra> is there a way to add number of confirmation as a column to the trasnaction list?
754 2012-03-17 13:05:55 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: Diapolo opened issue 945 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/945>
755 2012-03-17 13:33:11 <gmaxwell> Attn Windows Bitcoin GUI users: There is a potential security hole fixed by 0.5.3.1 / 0.6.0rc4. PLEASE UPGRADE. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=69120.0
756 2012-03-17 14:30:26 <gruez> is there a good way to rebuild a wallet file?
757 2012-03-17 14:30:35 <sipa> define rebuild?
758 2012-03-17 14:30:44 <gruez> take all the private keys
759 2012-03-17 14:30:45 <gruez> dump them
760 2012-03-17 14:30:49 <gruez> and import them back
761 2012-03-17 14:33:11 <gmaxwell> Attn Windows Bitcoin GUI users: There is a potential security hole fixed by 0.5.3.1 / 0.6.0rc4. PLEASE UPGRADE. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=69120.0
762 2012-03-17 14:33:25 <sipa> gmaxwell: cronjob?
763 2012-03-17 14:33:42 <luke-jr> sipa: I think he put a while loop in /exec -o :p
764 2012-03-17 14:34:09 <gmaxwell> ^ that
765 2012-03-17 14:34:21 <gmaxwell> /exec -o while true ; ...
766 2012-03-17 14:34:42 <sipa> right, there's a cron irssi script as well :)
767 2012-03-17 14:40:26 <bnmorgan> could someone direct me to plain english instructions on how to use the private key to get value of bitcoins out of a physical form and into electronic form?
768 2012-03-17 14:40:49 <sipa> bnmorgan: casascius coins?
769 2012-03-17 14:40:58 <jrmithdobbs> bnmorgan: that question doesn't really parse
770 2012-03-17 14:41:16 <bnmorgan> well, bitaddress printable in particular
771 2012-03-17 14:41:20 <bnmorgan> but i think same concept
772 2012-03-17 14:41:28 <sipa> use 0.6.0's importprivkey call
773 2012-03-17 14:41:51 <sipa> (0.6.0 is not yet released, but there are release candidates)
774 2012-03-17 14:42:54 <bnmorgan> i have the rc, but i don't know how to actually use that.
775 2012-03-17 14:43:14 <sipa> ./bitcoind importprivkey <theprivatekey>
776 2012-03-17 14:43:43 <sipa> there's no GUI for it (yet)
777 2012-03-17 14:43:54 <bnmorgan> ok, so what use are the qr codes for the keys?
778 2012-03-17 14:44:25 <sipa> there are separate tools you can use to import a private key, afaik
779 2012-03-17 14:44:54 <sipa> and maybe some alternative clients supports import of a private key via QR code
780 2012-03-17 14:55:04 <theymos> slush, BlueMatt: Here's D.H.'s translation of /critfix to Swedish: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=HPshHS98
781 2012-03-17 14:56:20 <luke-jr> sipa*
782 2012-03-17 14:56:35 <theymos> whoops, sorry. For some reason I always confuse those two names.
783 2012-03-17 14:58:36 <ternit> what happened to those translations anyways?
784 2012-03-17 14:58:43 <ternit> i cant see them on critfix
785 2012-03-17 14:58:57 <theymos> I can. Probably you need to refresh the page.
786 2012-03-17 14:59:59 <ternit> awesome i see them
787 2012-03-17 15:01:03 <sipa> sorry, can't merge right now
788 2012-03-17 15:03:35 <gmaxwell> I'll merge it.
789 2012-03-17 15:10:17 <denisx> who is compiling the osx version of bitcoin?
790 2012-03-17 15:10:49 <sipa> gavin
791 2012-03-17 15:11:00 <gavinandresen> present
792 2012-03-17 15:11:16 <gavinandresen> oh, yeah, I compile the osx version of bitcoin.
793 2012-03-17 15:12:11 <denisx> gavinandresen: is there a reason why it is only 32bit?
794 2012-03-17 15:12:37 <gavinandresen> compiles faster and is a smaller download
795 2012-03-17 15:12:54 <denisx> gavinandresen: thats all?
796 2012-03-17 15:13:00 <gavinandresen> yup.
797 2012-03-17 15:13:54 <gmaxwell> theymos: any idea how to say Swedish in Swedish?
798 2012-03-17 15:14:30 <gavinandresen> denisx: http://gavintech.blogspot.com/2011/11/deploying-bitcoin-qt-on-osx.html   talks about some of the brick walls I banged my head against setting up my build environment
799 2012-03-17 15:14:31 <sipa> Svenska
800 2012-03-17 15:15:52 <jrmithdobbs> gavinandresen: if you'd just build a universal binary you wouldn't have had half those problems setting up the build env
801 2012-03-17 15:17:23 <denisx> gavinandresen: ok, I will take a look
802 2012-03-17 15:17:41 <gavinandresen> jrmithdobbs: yes, it is easy when you know how.  But it was hard to get everything compatible with 32-bit-on-OSX10.5 machines (if I recall, default is to build for the architecture you're running on).
803 2012-03-17 15:17:42 <jrmithdobbs> gavinandresen: literally just port install <list of deps> +universal; then build ...
804 2012-03-17 15:18:00 <theymos> gmaxwell: I don't know for sure. Wikipedia says Svenska.
805 2012-03-17 15:18:10 <jrmithdobbs> gavinandresen: and set CC= to the 10.5 one
806 2012-03-17 15:18:13 <gavinandresen> ... and there might have been ports that had broken +universal variants (can't recall if that was a problem or not)
807 2012-03-17 15:18:27 <luke-jr> PowerPC is LE
808 2012-03-17 15:18:34 <luke-jr> at least for Mac IIRC
809 2012-03-17 15:18:38 <luke-jr> err
810 2012-03-17 15:18:40 <luke-jr> BE*
811 2012-03-17 15:18:41 <Diablo-D3> big
812 2012-03-17 15:18:42 <jrmithdobbs> gavinandresen: i think zlib stays broken because it wont just build, but i don't think bitcoin depends on it
813 2012-03-17 15:18:49 <Diablo-D3> powerpc CAN be le, its just rare to find
814 2012-03-17 15:18:49 <jrmithdobbs> (as universal, i mean)
815 2012-03-17 15:18:56 <gavinandresen> jrmithdobbs: openssl uses zlib
816 2012-03-17 15:19:05 <jrmithdobbs> gavinandresen: but you can force it to link against system one
817 2012-03-17 15:19:09 <jrmithdobbs> to work around that
818 2012-03-17 15:19:13 <gavinandresen> .... easy when you know how.....
819 2012-03-17 15:19:49 <gavinandresen> In any case, compiling linking everything 32-bit also worked and has the advantage of faster compiles and smaller downloads.
820 2012-03-17 15:20:08 <jrmithdobbs> but might be part of some of the weirdness people see with the osx builds
821 2012-03-17 15:20:53 <gavinandresen> are there issues I don't know about?
822 2012-03-17 15:21:07 <gmaxwell> theymos: "Wikipedia says" caused the blender folks to press a DVD that used an insult in the place of the name of the Catal?? language.
823 2012-03-17 15:23:31 <jrmithdobbs> gavinandresen: i don't know if there's anything outstanding
824 2012-03-17 15:23:57 <jrmithdobbs> gavinandresen: anyways, since the drop of wx you actually don't need anything out of macports except boost and upnp rest is in base os
825 2012-03-17 15:24:33 <jrmithdobbs> might make it easier to just use the qt creator binaries and just install boost/upnpc from macports
826 2012-03-17 15:29:50 <theymos> gmaxwell: lol. Well, Wikipedia and sipa agree, so it's probably right.
827 2012-03-17 15:30:14 <gmaxwell> theymos: indeed, it's up now.
828 2012-03-17 15:30:30 <gmaxwell> (and has been since before you responded. :) )
829 2012-03-17 15:30:50 <denisx> hmm, libz is part of the osx bitcoin package? same with lib crypto (maybe that makes sense because this is very sensitive)
830 2012-03-17 15:31:00 <jrmithdobbs> gavinandresen: i seem to have got a working binary doing just that, let me see if i can build it on the box that still has a 10.5 sdk on it
831 2012-03-17 15:31:32 <gavinandresen> jrmithdobbs: be sure to test it on a machine that hasn't had the Developer Tools installed
832 2012-03-17 15:31:57 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: I don't think you can use LE on Mac PPC
833 2012-03-17 15:32:18 <Diablo-D3> you cant
834 2012-03-17 15:32:22 <Diablo-D3> it requires northbridge support
835 2012-03-17 15:33:11 <gmaxwell> Attn Windows Bitcoin GUI users: There is a potential security hole fixed by 0.5.3.1 / 0.6.0rc4. PLEASE UPGRADE. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=69120.0
836 2012-03-17 15:33:22 <jrmithdobbs> gavinandresen: i don't have access to a machine that's never had the sdk installed
837 2012-03-17 15:33:31 <jrmithdobbs> cause osx is worthless without the dev tools, heh
838 2012-03-17 15:34:53 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: the fun part
839 2012-03-17 15:34:54 <gavinandresen> mmm.  If I had a nickel for every time I got bitten by the "It worked on my dev environment machine...." bug....
840 2012-03-17 15:34:56 <Diablo-D3> the powerpc rigs that can be le?
841 2012-03-17 15:35:00 <Diablo-D3> it can be be too
842 2012-03-17 15:35:03 <gavinandresen> (I'd have about a dollar!)