1 2012-03-31 01:49:57 <egecko> i see the keep-alive issue didnt make it into 0.6.0
  2 2012-03-31 03:35:27 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: dooglus opened pull request 1017 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1017>
  3 2012-03-31 06:26:51 <Joric> i just noticed there were only three sells at all-time high, https://mtgox.com/code/data/getTrades.php?since=132267 totaled 1.627 BTC, maybe they earned some kind of prize
  4 2012-03-31 06:28:02 <Joric> got that sorting all mtgox trades by price, 31.9099 ought to be the all-time-high
  5 2012-03-31 06:30:31 <Blitzboom> this is bitcoin-dev
  6 2012-03-31 08:25:28 <gigavps> anyone seen this post this morning -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67634.msg828715#msg828715
  7 2012-03-31 08:27:56 <Cory> Is there any reasonable explanation where the miner isn't malicious?
  8 2012-03-31 08:31:13 <gigavps> no idea, El seems to think they held the blocks until they had the longest chain and then published
  9 2012-03-31 08:43:58 <TuxBlackEdo> looks like a double spending attack to me IMO
 10 2012-03-31 08:44:08 <TuxBlackEdo> this was the secret chain that got announced
 11 2012-03-31 08:44:49 <lh77> grr
 12 2012-03-31 08:46:06 <TuxBlackEdo> the timestamp is right on those blocks, they just got announced late
 13 2012-03-31 08:46:33 <TuxBlackEdo> http://blockchain.info/orphaned-blocks
 14 2012-03-31 08:55:09 <gigavps> TuxBlackEdo: could this be a case of the botnet just not having sync'd clocks rather than malicious?
 15 2012-03-31 08:59:36 <Cory> Seems unlikely based on El's account, where all 3 were announced at once.
 16 2012-03-31 08:59:53 <Joric_> does bitcoin load DB_CONFIG in data directory? heard large cache could make loading up to 20 times faster
 17 2012-03-31 09:00:01 <Joric_> e.g. ~/.bitcoin/DB_CONFIG: set_cachesize 0 104857600 1
 18 2012-03-31 09:00:47 <lh77> :/
 19 2012-03-31 09:01:53 <sipa> Joric_: yes, it reads DB_CONFIG
 20 2012-03-31 09:02:07 <sipa> but i've not seen any spectacular improvements over 25 MiB cache
 21 2012-03-31 09:02:18 <sipa> (which became the default in 0.6)
 22 2012-03-31 09:02:36 <sipa> Joric_: 0.6 also adds -dbcache=N for that reason (N is in MiB)
 23 2012-03-31 09:02:54 <Joric_> oh cool didn't hear about that earlier
 24 2012-03-31 09:03:25 <sipa> not everything makes it into the release notes :)
 25 2012-03-31 09:03:57 <sipa> there's also -upgradewallet to switch to compressed pubkeys for new keys, and -checklevel=N to do more extensive blockchain database validation at startup
 26 2012-03-31 10:24:07 <finway> Seems MM are deliberately orphaning the chain ?  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67634.msg828756#msg828756
 27 2012-03-31 10:25:09 <Joric> i see it already got its own abbreviation
 28 2012-03-31 10:26:04 <Joric> oh someone's already plotted the chart i'm dropping mine then
 29 2012-03-31 10:27:48 <Joric> it looks quite bad imo, ~10-times more 1tx blocks after 03/05
 30 2012-03-31 10:28:36 <finway> yeah
 31 2012-03-31 10:29:31 <finway> deliberately orphaning the chain are more malicious than  making 1tx  blocks
 32 2012-03-31 10:31:29 <Joric> i guess doing so needs more power than in the network
 33 2012-03-31 10:32:13 <Joric> the net made 1 block they made 2
 34 2012-03-31 10:33:48 <finway> Joric, i think you are right.
 35 2012-03-31 11:18:29 <abracadabra> *yawn*
 36 2012-03-31 11:40:19 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: sipa opened pull request 1018 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1018>
 37 2012-03-31 11:44:38 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
 38 2012-03-31 11:44:38 <sipa> ;;later tell BlueMatt poke me when you're here
 39 2012-03-31 12:06:08 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: laanwj opened pull request 1019 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1019>
 40 2012-03-31 15:00:33 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: graingert opened issue 1020 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/1020>
 41 2012-03-31 15:21:29 <Joric> whoa 0.6.0 https://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Bitcoin/bitcoin-0.6.0/
 42 2012-03-31 15:22:42 <copumpkin> yep!
 43 2012-03-31 15:22:52 <copumpkin> it seems to have a GUI option to sign messages with a key
 44 2012-03-31 15:22:56 <copumpkin> but I couldn't find a way to verify signatures
 45 2012-03-31 15:23:13 <t7> can i install 0.6 over .5*
 46 2012-03-31 15:23:28 <t7> on winblows
 47 2012-03-31 15:26:27 <Blitzboom> yes
 48 2012-03-31 15:27:39 <Joric> it shows version 0.6.0.6
 49 2012-03-31 15:30:07 <Joric> oh and there's a sign message gui
 50 2012-03-31 15:31:13 <copumpkin> Joric: surely not
 51 2012-03-31 16:07:37 <bx_> hi
 52 2012-03-31 16:11:43 <splatster> Hi.
 53 2012-03-31 16:18:28 <minjin> is there a flowchart available for the current bitcoin protocol?
 54 2012-03-31 16:52:18 <t7> does it get easier to find a hash collision as the amount you hash gets larger?
 55 2012-03-31 16:57:27 <BTC_Bear> easier? No. Although, one less drop of water has been collected from Niagra Falls.
 56 2012-03-31 17:08:50 <t7> i mean the size of the thing you are hashing
 57 2012-03-31 17:09:27 <gmaxwell> t7: it shouldn't, not if the hash is secure.
 58 2012-03-31 17:09:47 <gmaxwell> (well, if the input is smaller than the output there may be no collission, but over that, no)
 59 2012-03-31 17:18:27 <kish> no it's not easier
 60 2012-03-31 17:18:36 <kish> just takes more time
 61 2012-03-31 17:26:49 <[Tycho]> Are there any short-pubkey TXes in the blockchain ?
 62 2012-03-31 17:28:24 <BlueMatt> sipa: pong
 63 2012-03-31 17:43:47 <jgarzik> [Tycho]: should be some in the testnet chain.  not sure about compressed pubkeys in the main chain
 64 2012-03-31 17:44:37 <[Tycho]> Even in redeeming ?
 65 2012-03-31 17:47:22 <jgarzik> [Tycho]: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/10_Jan_2012
 66 2012-03-31 17:47:39 <jgarzik> [Tycho]: 21:07 < sipa> there is compressed pubkey on mainnet
 67 2012-03-31 17:48:54 <[Tycho]> Oh, why didn't he posted a link...
 68 2012-03-31 17:50:06 <jgarzik> [Tycho]: it sounds like an unintended feature that came along for free via OpenSSL
 69 2012-03-31 17:50:19 <Joric> i added compressed pubkeys support in pywallet
 70 2012-03-31 17:50:29 <gmaxwell> jgarzik: It was. There are ones in mainnet.
 71 2012-03-31 17:50:39 <gmaxwell> [Tycho]: How goes the sendmany deployment?
 72 2012-03-31 17:50:41 <[Tycho]> I just wanted to see an example in BBE
 73 2012-03-31 17:52:37 <gmaxwell> here is a testnet one http://blockexplorer.com/testnet/tx/48ce0ba13b087f3712cdc354db918436aeeca60596ac7c54572c8c1b9a8b5ba4
 74 2012-03-31 17:59:00 <Joric> i found 97 compressed pubkeys in the mainnet since block 170000
 75 2012-03-31 17:59:29 <Joric> eg http://blockexplorer.com/rawtx/d84b37dd3f1073385ef729869e90fcb5d7e86feb0bc11614cace82637778037e
 76 2012-03-31 17:59:32 <[Tycho]> gmaxwell: thanks
 77 2012-03-31 17:59:46 <Joric> the last found one
 78 2012-03-31 18:00:19 <[Tycho]> Wow, this is even better.
 79 2012-03-31 18:01:11 <[Tycho]> Sadly my bitcoind doesn't supports compressed pubkeys, otherwise I would make my TXes even more compact :
 80 2012-03-31 18:01:12 <[Tycho]> )
 81 2012-03-31 18:01:43 <BlueMatt> how does your bitcoind not support compressed pubkeys?
 82 2012-03-31 18:01:47 <Joric> here is a full tx list http://pastebin.com/NSXtJRJg
 83 2012-03-31 18:01:50 <BlueMatt> oh, you mean for your txes...
 84 2012-03-31 18:01:51 <BlueMatt> dur
 85 2012-03-31 18:02:12 <[Tycho]> Why there is no OP_CHECKSIG there ?
 86 2012-03-31 18:03:12 <[Tycho]> Oh, it's not a pubkey, probably.
 87 2012-03-31 18:03:33 <gmaxwell> Joric: there is no compressed pubkeys in your last link.
 88 2012-03-31 18:05:13 <Joric> oops my bad i should recheck
 89 2012-03-31 18:09:57 <Joric> what's "scriptPubKey":"440797cbcfa7b2898525d6e597c7a1fc0df73bcd4bbf7256c898dc5620570d3f" ?  (last link)
 90 2012-03-31 18:10:41 <Joric> it's 32 bytes long
 91 2012-03-31 18:11:10 <[Tycho]> Some p2pool stuff
 92 2012-03-31 18:12:02 <Joric> i probably filtered those instead of compressed keys
 93 2012-03-31 18:14:01 <Joric> allright then, here they are http://blockexplorer.com/rawtx/585c9f534d68fac2e0150ff04f6c93c1c3e1bd4a183b7cee1a5e2fa9435689a8
 94 2012-03-31 18:14:12 <Joric> http://pastebin.com/NSXtJRJg 61 records
 95 2012-03-31 18:14:19 <[Tycho]> Yes, this is it
 96 2012-03-31 18:16:05 <[Tycho]> Is it possible to create a compressed pubkey from existing privkey ?
 97 2012-03-31 18:17:21 <Joric> it depends
 98 2012-03-31 18:18:42 <Joric> if it contains uncompressed privkey, you have to compress it
 99 2012-03-31 18:21:29 <Joric> 'pubkey' is concatenated to 'privkey' it's either 65 bytes or 33 bytes
100 2012-03-31 18:21:43 <t7> can i tell someone how to decrypt something without telling them how to encrypt something?
101 2012-03-31 18:23:14 <Joric> uncompressed = chr(4) + 32-byte x + 32-byte y, uncompressed = chr(1 + (y & 1)) + 32-byte x
102 2012-03-31 18:23:39 <Joric> *uncompressed = chr(4) + 32-byte x + 32-byte y, compressed = chr(1 + (y & 1)) + 32-byte x
103 2012-03-31 18:24:29 <Joric> depends of the lib in openssl you just have to set point conversion via EC_KEY_set_conv_form
104 2012-03-31 18:50:25 <cande> nfc...
105 2012-03-31 18:51:00 <cande> does anyone know how to transfere bitcoins via nfc ?
106 2012-03-31 18:53:02 <cande> is there any plan for supporting nfc with bitcoin-qt ?
107 2012-03-31 18:53:07 <[Tycho]> Hello, luke-jr.
108 2012-03-31 19:09:35 <t7> shouldnt the topic be changed now?
109 2012-03-31 19:10:21 <BlueMatt> t7: there :)
110 2012-03-31 19:11:03 <gmaxwell> I was very confused because I ran /topic and saw the topic after BlueMatt changed it but before he said "there" ...  so I was left thinking, whats there to change??
111 2012-03-31 19:40:13 <graingert> I am more confused than you
112 2012-03-31 19:49:23 <gmaxwell> doublec: hey, I don't see p2sh flags in your coinbase. Is your pool about to die?
113 2012-03-31 19:59:46 <denisx> is there no changelog for 0.6?
114 2012-03-31 20:05:29 <kish> gmaxwell, i see you are still using a 1024 bit rsa key from 1999
115 2012-03-31 20:05:54 <conman> nice
116 2012-03-31 20:05:55 <gmaxwell> Indeed.
117 2012-03-31 20:06:12 <gmaxwell> I had an older key but lost the private part, alas.
118 2012-03-31 20:06:36 <kish> i found it on my keyring
119 2012-03-31 20:10:38 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt: du you maintain the ubuntu packages? You're listed as the owner here: https://launchpad.net/~bitcoin
120 2012-03-31 20:10:57 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: yea
121 2012-03-31 20:11:04 <BlueMatt> i pushed 0.6 earlier today
122 2012-03-31 20:11:10 <BlueMatt> (sorry it took so long)
123 2012-03-31 20:16:11 <denisx> my 1234 bit rsa key is from 94
124 2012-03-31 20:16:46 <BlueMatt> heh, 1234
125 2012-03-31 20:31:51 <doublec> gmaxwell: I'm p2sh enabled but don't publish in thecoinbase
126 2012-03-31 20:32:07 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: I'm mostly away for a bit.
127 2012-03-31 20:32:12 <gmaxwell> doublec: K.
128 2012-03-31 20:32:14 <doublec> gmaxwell: due to the fact that I didn't modify the merge mining code to add it to the coinbase
129 2012-03-31 20:32:38 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: be aware people using backports do not advertise either
130 2012-03-31 20:32:53 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: I suggest connecting to eulogy nodes and checking their versions ;)
131 2012-03-31 20:33:02 <[Tycho]> luke-jr: how do you fetch exchange data for your bot ? Do you want to include reports from our trading platform ?
132 2012-03-31 20:33:37 <[Tycho]> "luke-jr: gmaxwell: be aware people using backports do not advertise either" - why do you think so ? I do.
133 2012-03-31 20:34:09 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: #bitcoin-watch just uses bitcoincharts.com's feed
134 2012-03-31 20:34:12 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: right now the list I have of named pools without p2sh in their coinbase: Donate@Home, BTC Warp, Arsbitcoin, 50BTC, nmcbit, and Polmine.
135 2012-03-31 20:36:23 <[Tycho]> Cool, then it will be included automatically...
136 2012-03-31 20:45:58 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: :
137 2012-03-31 20:46:03 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: you have an exchange now?
138 2012-03-31 20:46:11 <[Tycho]> Yes, we do.
139 2012-03-31 20:46:45 <[Tycho]> It's still under development, but real-money trading is already enabled for general public.
140 2012-03-31 20:46:54 <luke-jr> called?
141 2012-03-31 20:46:57 <[Tycho]> icbit.se
142 2012-03-31 20:47:05 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: Ars has been dead for months.
143 2012-03-31 20:47:16 <[Tycho]> We need more exchanges, decentralization FTW !
144 2012-03-31 20:47:20 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: solve blocks still.
145 2012-03-31 20:47:27 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: lol
146 2012-03-31 20:47:54 <gmaxwell> well.. for another hour at least.
147 2012-03-31 20:49:26 <gmaxwell> My eulogy:
148 2012-03-31 20:49:29 <gmaxwell> As a user of Bitcoin I have the honor to speak here today on behalf of the broader Bitcoin community.
149 2012-03-31 20:49:32 <gmaxwell> The tragic loss of these pools could have been prevented, if they paid any attention to the system that gave them life, a system they claimed to serve.
150 2012-03-31 20:49:35 <gmaxwell> But it was not so, and now they will soon fork from the longest chain and become orphaned.
151 2012-03-31 20:49:38 <gmaxwell> Their past blocks, however, will live on  remembered and celebrated by all nodes for eternity.
152 2012-03-31 20:49:41 <gmaxwell> So, now, for the last time as you mine your final blocks we bid you farewell rugged pools.
153 2012-03-31 20:50:01 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: hah
154 2012-03-31 20:50:01 <genjix> mining is a waste of time
155 2012-03-31 20:50:02 <BlueMatt> nice
156 2012-03-31 20:50:13 <[Tycho]> Is 50BTC dead already ?
157 2012-03-31 20:50:27 <[Tycho]> That's how they solved 25BTC problem...
158 2012-03-31 20:50:52 <[Tycho]> Wow, you were right, it's working :) <#bitcoin-watch> ljrbot: trade icbit:          0.001  BTC @    1.00          USD ==       1.86??  TBC @    0.00065536    USD
159 2012-03-31 20:51:54 <gmaxwell> [Tycho]: well, they're not signaling p2sh support. So it's somewhat likely that tomorrow will be a very bad day for them.
160 2012-03-31 20:51:54 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: I don't think it's *that* tragic& :p
161 2012-03-31 20:52:30 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: only when people send fake BIP16s
162 2012-03-31 20:52:40 <luke-jr> and only until the BIP16 chain outruns it
163 2012-03-31 20:52:42 <[Tycho]> I think than Donate@Home and nmcbit are actually MM in blockchaininfo's table
164 2012-03-31 20:52:55 <luke-jr> MM != P2SH compliant
165 2012-03-31 20:53:14 <[Tycho]> Yes, that's why I'm expecting some blockchain fireworks
166 2012-03-31 20:53:43 <luke-jr> too bad it didn't eliminate all the pools with "BTC" in their name <.<
167 2012-03-31 20:53:54 <denisx> luke-jr: thanks ;)
168 2012-03-31 20:53:57 <gmaxwell> heh
169 2012-03-31 20:54:05 <luke-jr> denisx: well, pick a better name :P
170 2012-03-31 20:54:16 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: you know there will be some dick out there who makes bad p2sh txes and sends them around to all the pools that dont support it just to be a dick
171 2012-03-31 20:54:29 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: I was considering it just to do a test on someone else's dime.
172 2012-03-31 20:54:38 <BlueMatt> heh
173 2012-03-31 20:54:43 <[Tycho]> I have one P2SH TX, but now I realized that I can't redeem it in a wrong way because my nodes are already upgraded :(
174 2012-03-31 20:54:58 <gmaxwell> whats great(?) is that once such a txn is announced, they'll keep reinserting it as they get orphaned.
175 2012-03-31 20:55:05 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: any of the above-named pools will gladly let you try to redeem it
176 2012-03-31 20:55:20 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: LOL nice
177 2012-03-31 20:55:27 <luke-jr> didn't consider that
178 2012-03-31 20:55:31 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: yep
179 2012-03-31 20:55:43 <luke-jr> I should have thought of that as a reason to push forward BIP17 instead ;)
180 2012-03-31 20:55:46 <gmaxwell> [Tycho]: include 10,000 BTC fee with your bad-bip16 transaction. That should cause some amusing drama.
181 2012-03-31 20:56:26 <[Tycho]> It won't be relayed far enough anyway.
182 2012-03-31 20:56:33 <gmaxwell> So it only takes a single bad BIP16 spend to make all the non-bip16 pools produce nothing but orphans.
183 2012-03-31 20:57:24 <[Tycho]> Also they may try to mine a block with a timestamp in the past. May be.
184 2012-03-31 20:57:40 <BlueMatt> given that most of the network isnt on 0.6/0.5.4
185 2012-03-31 20:59:07 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: relay to the pools manually
186 2012-03-31 20:59:26 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: timestamps can't be too far in the past
187 2012-03-31 20:59:39 <[Tycho]> MM won't mine TXes anyway
188 2012-03-31 20:59:44 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: I suggest linking your eulogy from all those pools' forum threads etc
189 2012-03-31 20:59:45 <gmaxwell> well, fair point, you'd want to wait until the median of the last 11 is past the threshold.
190 2012-03-31 20:59:59 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: oh, you mean Mystery Miner, not Merged Mining&
191 2012-03-31 21:00:16 <[Tycho]> Yes.
192 2012-03-31 21:00:26 <[Tycho]> So actually it may be not those pools.
193 2012-03-31 21:00:28 <gmaxwell> MM will extend dud chains created by other forked pools though.
194 2012-03-31 21:09:48 <cande> is it common that bitcoind crashes once a week
195 2012-03-31 21:09:57 <cande> if it's run as a service
196 2012-03-31 21:09:58 <genjix> cande: yes
197 2012-03-31 21:10:15 <genjix> you need something to test for lockups and crashes, then kill -9 and restart it
198 2012-03-31 21:10:54 <cande> aha
199 2012-03-31 21:11:17 <cande> thx
200 2012-03-31 21:11:28 <genjix> cande: might like this http://bitcoinmedia.com/merchant-developer-tutorial/
201 2012-03-31 21:13:02 <[Tycho]> Crashing is not cool.
202 2012-03-31 21:13:19 <cande> mm yes nice
203 2012-03-31 21:15:20 <BlueMatt> wait, wat?
204 2012-03-31 21:15:31 <BlueMatt> uh...it shouldnt crash once a wekk
205 2012-03-31 21:15:36 <BlueMatt> s/wekk/week/
206 2012-03-31 21:15:48 <[Tycho]> May be he need to use 0.3 version
207 2012-03-31 21:16:03 <BlueMatt> uh...not that either
208 2012-03-31 21:16:15 <BlueMatt> I dont think there is any reason 0.5.3 should crash
209 2012-03-31 21:16:22 <[Tycho]> Usually new versions are less stable.
210 2012-03-31 21:16:30 <BlueMatt> hence why i didnt say 0.6
211 2012-03-31 21:17:12 <gmaxwell> genjix: Where are issues you've opened for the crashes?
212 2012-03-31 21:18:37 <genjix> they aren't simple easily reproducible issues. they're things that only seem to happen under heavy load.
213 2012-03-31 21:18:41 <gmaxwell> cande: I don't know what genjix is talking about. I have a half dozen bitcoin daemons here, some under constant heavily and I'm not aware of any crashes/freezes with current code.
214 2012-03-31 21:19:03 <gmaxwell> cande: if you have a workload that makes it lock, please open issues and describe it.
215 2012-03-31 21:19:09 <gmaxwell> I'll see if I can reproduce it.
216 2012-03-31 21:19:24 <cande> i'm just running a p2p node
217 2012-03-31 21:19:30 <cande> with 2 miners attached to it
218 2012-03-31 21:19:49 <cande> p2pool
219 2012-03-31 21:19:52 <gmaxwell> cande: what version? and what os?
220 2012-03-31 21:20:00 <cande> ubuntu server
221 2012-03-31 21:20:35 <cande> 5.3
222 2012-03-31 21:20:49 <cande> 0.5.3
223 2012-03-31 21:20:50 <gmaxwell> cande: thats not at all expected, and not reported by other p2pool users.
224 2012-03-31 21:21:00 <cande> ok..
225 2012-03-31 21:21:40 <gmaxwell> Though, er. _you must update_ to 0.6 or 0.5.4  and p2pool 0.10.3 within an hour or your mining will be broken.
226 2012-03-31 21:22:05 <gmaxwell> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/P2Pool  (See the red text at the top: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/P2Pool)
227 2012-03-31 21:23:03 <cande> wow
228 2012-03-31 21:23:36 <elkingrey> I've just tried upgrading to 0.6.0 and have run into this problem: http://pastebin.com/hnNMKsh4 Anybody know why?
229 2012-03-31 21:27:52 <BlueMatt> elkingrey: using the ppa linked from bitcoin.org?
230 2012-03-31 21:28:05 <BlueMatt> what os, exactly?
231 2012-03-31 21:28:06 <elkingrey> Yes
232 2012-03-31 21:29:42 <cande> gmaxwell, how would you suggest i go about my bitcoind crashes? look in the bitcoind logs?
233 2012-03-31 21:29:58 <gmaxwell> cande: That would be a great starting place.
234 2012-03-31 21:30:28 <gmaxwell> Though I would suggest you upgrade your bitcoin and p2pool first, seeing as you only have a half hour before things break for you. :)
235 2012-03-31 21:30:30 <BlueMatt> cande: depends a bit...does it crash hard or does it lockup and refuse to accept more connections?
236 2012-03-31 21:30:40 <cande> hard
237 2012-03-31 21:30:43 <cande> it's just gone
238 2012-03-31 21:30:59 <BlueMatt> yea, then debug.log is the best place to start
239 2012-03-31 21:31:10 <BlueMatt> (in your bitcoin datadir)
240 2012-03-31 21:31:39 <cande> he,, the log looks normal
241 2012-03-31 21:31:51 <BlueMatt> :(
242 2012-03-31 21:32:11 <BlueMatt> can you run bitcoind without forking and see if it prints something exciting when it quits?
243 2012-03-31 21:32:29 <BlueMatt> what version where you previously running, btw?
244 2012-03-31 21:32:31 <BlueMatt> 0.5.3?
245 2012-03-31 21:32:45 <cande> this is my tail of debug.log : http://pastebin.com/x5KJ0jSC
246 2012-03-31 21:32:55 <cande> yes
247 2012-03-31 21:32:57 <cande> 0.5.3
248 2012-03-31 21:33:39 <cande> well, it quits once in a week, .. don't know a good way to monitor that
249 2012-03-31 21:33:55 <elkingrey> Problem solved, just issued install bitcoin-qt command instead
250 2012-03-31 21:34:08 <BlueMatt> elkingrey: still, odd issue...
251 2012-03-31 21:34:19 <BlueMatt> cande: can you leave a terminal open for a week?
252 2012-03-31 21:34:37 <cande> perhaps the screen command will do?
253 2012-03-31 21:34:47 <BlueMatt> that would do it
254 2012-03-31 21:38:27 <cande> BlueMatt, ok will screen it now, and have upgraded , so we will see in a week or so :-)
255 2012-03-31 21:38:48 <BlueMatt> alright, thanks
256 2012-03-31 21:46:35 <cande> BlueMatt, should i start bitcoind with any flags?
257 2012-03-31 21:47:16 <BlueMatt> cande: no, just see what it prints when it quits
258 2012-03-31 21:47:20 <cande> ok
259 2012-03-31 21:50:16 <bx_> Anyone here gamble with bitcoin?
260 2012-03-31 21:58:48 <genjix> i wonder if anyone decides to make any non-bip16 blocks after a bip16 blocks by cheating the median time :)
261 2012-03-31 21:59:42 <genjix> 2
262 2012-03-31 22:11:45 <joehallofame> I really need some help.  Whenever I try to send coins, it crashes and I just put about 30 in my wallet.
263 2012-03-31 22:12:16 <gmaxwell> joehallofame: what version of the software? what operating system?
264 2012-03-31 22:12:20 <TuxBlackEdo> try starting bitcoin with -rescan
265 2012-03-31 22:12:30 <[Tycho]> Yay, fireworks !
266 2012-03-31 22:12:32 <gmaxwell> joehallofame: what exactly do you mean by crashes? does it lock up or go away completely?
267 2012-03-31 22:12:50 <joehallofame> I uploaded 6.0 but it still does it.  If I type an incorrect password it says so, but if I type the correct one it crashes.
268 2012-03-31 22:13:08 <joehallofame> Goes completely away
269 2012-03-31 22:13:12 <TuxBlackEdo> -rescan
270 2012-03-31 22:13:37 <gmaxwell> oh hey, that bug
271 2012-03-31 22:14:00 <joehallofame> I hadn't used it for a while and typed the quite a few incorrect passwords. could that be it?
272 2012-03-31 22:14:02 <gmaxwell> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/955
273 2012-03-31 22:14:24 <BlueMatt> this crap again...?
274 2012-03-31 22:14:57 <joehallofame> thanks gmaxwell, Ill read this and try it.
275 2012-03-31 22:24:46 <Joric> can't reproduce
276 2012-03-31 22:31:09 <sipa> BlueMatt: ah, i'm back
277 2012-03-31 22:31:19 <BlueMatt> hi sipa
278 2012-03-31 22:33:13 <genjix> sipa: you missed the passing.
279 2012-03-31 22:33:19 <Joric> why you're shutting down the client after encryption
280 2012-03-31 22:33:25 <genjix> the bitcoin network shut down.
281 2012-03-31 22:33:26 <sipa> genjix: wow, indeed!
282 2012-03-31 22:33:33 <sipa> wonderful
283 2012-03-31 22:33:45 <genjix> we moved onto facebook credits now. they're the future.
284 2012-03-31 22:33:53 <Joric> genjix, was it feds?
285 2012-03-31 22:34:09 <Joric> and who's the Mistery Miner
286 2012-03-31 22:34:27 <genjix> the mystery miner is a practioner of the venusian arts
287 2012-03-31 22:34:50 <genjix> he prefers younger women though
288 2012-03-31 22:39:32 <da2ce7> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=74917.0
289 2012-03-31 22:40:11 <da2ce7> Post about adding Firstbit's support to the Satoshi Bitcoin client.
290 2012-03-31 22:40:58 <gmaxwell> da2ce7: tragidy of the commonsbit you mean?
291 2012-03-31 22:41:17 <gmaxwell> Firstbit is horrific trash, which has added megabytes of useless bloat to the blockchain.
292 2012-03-31 22:42:18 <gmaxwell> Some geniuses went and firstbit registered thousands and thousands of names from /usr/dict/words  so all of the short good ones are taken by them now, and worse, if you use an address which has one of those as a prefix your funds may be misdirected.
293 2012-03-31 22:42:48 <sipa> firstbit encourages static addresses, and blockchain bloat
294 2012-03-31 22:43:04 <Joric> why bloat?
295 2012-03-31 22:43:11 <joehallofame> gmaxwell?  now that Ive read that I am even more depressed.  is there anyway to get my coins outta my wallet now?  It seems like that guy tried everything.  I don't know how to do any of that.
296 2012-03-31 22:43:27 <da2ce7> well it is usefull for not typing out an entire bitcoin addrsss.
297 2012-03-31 22:43:32 <da2ce7> *addresss.
298 2012-03-31 22:43:40 <da2ce7> and making small qr codes.
299 2012-03-31 22:43:46 <Joric> what firstbit has added to the blockchain i don't get it
300 2012-03-31 22:43:47 <gmaxwell> e.g. your get 1Bobby72 but 1Bobby[Nz038].. is someone elses firstbits.. and someone sends coins to you but uses 1Bobby not realizing the 72 matters and they go to one of the dictionary spammers.
301 2012-03-31 22:44:11 <gmaxwell> Joric: many megabytes of people 'preregistering' names.
302 2012-03-31 22:44:41 <joehallofame> nope
303 2012-03-31 22:44:45 <Joric> vanitygen should be much, much worse then
304 2012-03-31 22:45:17 <gmaxwell> Joric: ... no. Er, what you're saying makes no sense to me, perhaps I misunderstand you.
305 2012-03-31 22:45:17 <sipa> da2ce7: it is wrong that people are typing in random addresses at all
306 2012-03-31 22:45:35 <sipa> it should be URLs, or email-addresses, or clicking on a link, or downloading a file
307 2012-03-31 22:45:47 <da2ce7> well even with the massive ammounts of spam, a first-bits address is much more happly typed by hand than a full bitcoin address.
308 2012-03-31 22:45:57 <sipa> it should not be any random, and certainly not static, string of characters
309 2012-03-31 22:46:08 <sipa> not short or long
310 2012-03-31 22:46:20 <joehallofame> I created a backup after, so I'm not sure that would help.  And I am not sure that I did it right.
311 2012-03-31 22:46:53 <gmaxwell> joehallofame: it's good you made a backup, though it's probably not that helpful if it's after the problem.
312 2012-03-31 22:47:04 <sipa> joehallofame: there are wallet recovery tools
313 2012-03-31 22:48:53 <joehallofame> sipa: where can I find them.  I read https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/955 are those what he used?
314 2012-03-31 22:49:02 <sipa> Joric: people generated thousands of addresses whose firstbits were short words, and sent microtransactions to them
315 2012-03-31 22:49:21 <sipa> Joric: unprunable, unusable, simply for the sake of having them registered
316 2012-03-31 22:51:20 <gmaxwell> ...Making both firstbits less useful: all the good short ones taken, more risk of misdirection on long ones with their prefixes registered, and sticking everyone else with more data to carry around.
317 2012-03-31 22:52:34 <Joric> sipa, doesn't that work for vanitygen as well
318 2012-03-31 22:52:48 <sipa> Joric: ?
319 2012-03-31 22:52:52 <gmaxwell> No.
320 2012-03-31 22:53:07 <gmaxwell> .... what do you think vanitygen does?
321 2012-03-31 22:53:13 <sipa> Joric: i have no problem with people generating thousands of addresses
322 2012-03-31 22:53:17 <sipa> not even billions
323 2012-03-31 22:53:24 <Joric> 'people generating thousands of addresses simply for sake of having them registered'
324 2012-03-31 22:53:26 <sipa> i have a problem with them creating transactions
325 2012-03-31 22:53:44 <gmaxwell> Joric: there is no "registration" with anything but firstbits.
326 2012-03-31 22:53:58 <sipa> simply for the sake of those addresses being present in the block chain first
327 2012-03-31 22:54:41 <Joric> first thing i've done with a vanity address i send 0.01 btc to it
328 2012-03-31 22:55:03 <gmaxwell> ... Why?????????????????????????????????????????????
329 2012-03-31 22:55:12 <gmaxwell> That serves absolutely zero purpose.
330 2012-03-31 22:55:20 <joehallofame> gmaxwell: About my problem on that link::  gavinandresen commented 5 days ago Consensus is this is a "we don't know how it happened but somehow the bits on your disk are not what they should be" problem that we can't reproduce.  I moved the priority from high to medium, and removed the 0.6.0 milestone from this issue, but I think the only fix for problems like these will be a much better scheme for backing up and restoring
331 2012-03-31 22:55:28 <Joric> to get to the blockexplorer
332 2012-03-31 22:56:04 <gmaxwell> Joric: for what purpose? In any case, thats a bit of foolishness that most people don't engage in fortunately.
333 2012-03-31 22:56:24 <joehallofame> I guess what Im asking is am I screwed?
334 2012-03-31 22:56:28 <sipa> Joric: all this says to me is that people want a way to register addresses somewhere; fine, but don't use the block chain for having BBE function as that registration
335 2012-03-31 22:56:35 <Joric> i don't get why firstbits is any better than blockexplorer
336 2012-03-31 22:56:44 <sipa> Joric: ?
337 2012-03-31 22:57:22 <sipa> there's no difference; both are just using the block chain to register an address as something more manageable
338 2012-03-31 22:57:34 <gmaxwell> sipa: blockexplorer doesn't do that
339 2012-03-31 22:57:37 <gmaxwell> (AFAIK)
340 2012-03-31 22:57:45 <Joric> i mean confirming that the address is real
341 2012-03-31 22:57:46 <sipa> you can search for a prefix of an address
342 2012-03-31 22:57:50 <gmaxwell> The search doesn't return on address subtrings.
343 2012-03-31 22:58:12 <Joric> it does, for 6-char prefixes
344 2012-03-31 22:58:18 <gmaxwell> Joric: You can tell if an address is real by checking the checksum.
345 2012-03-31 22:59:04 <Joric> i just got lucky i didn't give a fuck about firstbits
346 2012-03-31 23:01:43 <MC1984> any p2sh txn yet?
347 2012-03-31 23:02:01 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: sipa opened pull request 1021 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1021>
348 2012-03-31 23:05:27 <gmaxwell> sipa: hm. relaying v6 addresses when you don't speak it yourself sort of invites people to announce the whole ipv6 routable internet.
349 2012-03-31 23:05:52 <joehallofame> Im sorry for being impolite and asking again, but I tried some passwords and now when I use the right one my wallet closes out.  Did I just lose a lot of money, or do I wait for another new version to come out (just uploaded 6.0 and my problems came with it) Should I try a wallet recovery like sipa suggested?  It seemed like the link gmax sent someone tried that and he gave.  Or hopefully it's on a timer thing and I can sen
350 2012-03-31 23:06:55 <gmaxwell> joehallofame: what version were you running before?
351 2012-03-31 23:07:00 <sipa> gmaxwell: i know - but the alternative is getting a completely separate ipv6 network
352 2012-03-31 23:07:10 <joehallofame> 5.0
353 2012-03-31 23:07:13 <sipa> which will at least initially have difficulty finding pears
354 2012-03-31 23:07:54 <joehallofame> could I try 5.3.1
355 2012-03-31 23:08:54 <sipa> gmaxwell: i was wondering about having a reduced chance (like 5%) of accepting/relaying an ipv6 address if you don't support it yourself
356 2012-03-31 23:09:07 <sipa> or a rate limit, maybe
357 2012-03-31 23:09:13 <gmaxwell> erp. Where is the 0.5.4 download?
358 2012-03-31 23:09:23 <sipa> gmaxwell: 0.5.4 is not released afaik
359 2012-03-31 23:09:42 <gmaxwell> Oh I thought luke finished it, ah.
360 2012-03-31 23:10:07 <BlueMatt> he wanted more testing of the bip16 backport, as it was pretty far from 1:1 of the original commit
361 2012-03-31 23:10:14 <gmaxwell> joehallofame: yes, I'd recommend trying that (make sure to shut down cleanly and make another backup copy of your wallet.dat file before doing anything else)
362 2012-03-31 23:10:30 <gmaxwell> joehallofame: please report back how it goes.
363 2012-03-31 23:10:47 <joehallofame> thank you sir.
364 2012-03-31 23:10:49 <joehallofame> I will
365 2012-03-31 23:26:14 <sipa> gmaxwell: what would you suggest for ipv6 relaying?
366 2012-03-31 23:39:33 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: lack of testing
367 2012-03-31 23:40:13 <luke-jr> sipa: I like the idea of relaying all the time. Maybe limit IPv4-only nodes to relay only N% IPv6 tho?
368 2012-03-31 23:43:33 <gmaxwell> sipa: I guess it should prioritize relaying nodes it has connected to.. and just limit the number of v6 addresses it relays.
369 2012-03-31 23:48:38 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: TheBlueMatt reopened pull request 771 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/771>
370 2012-03-31 23:53:47 <joehallofame> gmaxwell: he dude im back with no avail I downloaded the 5.3.1 version and it is still crashing and giving a runtime message.
371 2012-03-31 23:55:37 <joehallofame> In case anyone else can help, I typed in the wrong passwords, and now when I type in the wrong one, my wallet crashes, and I just put a crapload of money in there and need to study linear algebra.  Am I just screwed, is there any way to fix it.?
372 2012-03-31 23:57:04 <joehallofame> Or should I just say  hey I guess I wont use this wallet anymore and study for my test.  Does anyone know if its on a timer or anything, or will it always crash from now on?
373 2012-03-31 23:57:15 <BlueMatt> backup your datadir as it is now; do linear algebra, worry about your coins later
374 2012-03-31 23:57:48 <BlueMatt> the files will be in the same state when you are done studying and then you can work the issue out
375 2012-03-31 23:57:59 <joehallofame> well put.  Damn Gauss-Jordian Elimination.
376 2012-03-31 23:58:41 <joehallofame> Im going to still leave this up for a while, just in case SuperMan shows up.