1 2012-05-04 06:03:32 <ovidiusoft> anyone cares for a core dump of 0.6.0 on linux (my gdb powers are next to zero so i can't debug it myself) ?
  2 2012-05-04 06:04:59 <ovidiusoft> seems it crashed while evaluating a script
  3 2012-05-04 06:05:46 <ThomasV> hi ovidiusoft
  4 2012-05-04 06:06:17 <ovidiusoft> hi ThomasV
  5 2012-05-04 06:06:27 <ThomasV> I still use 0.5.2
  6 2012-05-04 06:06:33 <ovidiusoft> for a moment, i though i typed in #electrum :))
  7 2012-05-04 06:06:43 <ThomasV> heh
  8 2012-05-04 06:07:05 <ThomasV> 0.5.2 seems to have a memory leak, though
  9 2012-05-04 06:22:07 <sturles> 0.6.0 is much better.  Keeps the log files in check as well.  And support BIP16, which is essential if you are ever mining.
 10 2012-05-04 06:22:52 <ThomasV> oh I am not mining. it's for the backend of my electrum server
 11 2012-05-04 06:25:27 <sturles> Are there plans for BIP16 support in Electrum?
 12 2012-05-04 07:09:19 <amiller_> gmaxwell, i've been working on my alternate proof-of-work scheme, which matches the goals of your 'forgetting the forgetful' post
 13 2012-05-04 07:09:43 <amiller_> https://github.com/amiller/redblackmerkle/blob/master/proofofwork.py  <--- this is the best version of the explanation i have
 14 2012-05-04 07:10:08 <amiller_> to quickly mention what you asked about last time,
 15 2012-05-04 07:11:25 <amiller_> 1) whether it supports 'pruning' old transactions - i'm now only looking at an 'unspent coins' database, so coins can be removed from the data structure as soon as they're spent
 16 2012-05-04 07:13:00 <amiller_> 2) whether only full nodes can verify - the 'unspent coin database' is now a merkle tree so people can verify the work with O(log N)
 17 2012-05-04 07:13:38 <amiller_> even if all the reliable knowledge they have ahead of time is the root hash
 18 2012-05-04 07:17:24 <amiller_> 3) if it's a dos nightmare because of the extra work-verifying burden - there's an upper bound of (2 * log N) on the time it takes to verify each iteration of the work, and the verifier can require whoever's sending this work to show them the k steps in reverse order, so they would have to do 2^k work to make the verifier spend k effort
 19 2012-05-04 09:24:41 <sgornick> #GLBSE
 20 2012-05-04 09:25:01 <genjix> please hold while i connect the cables
 21 2012-05-04 11:40:43 <DiabloD3> IF YOU LOVE BITCOIN, VOTE IN THIS POLL: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=78919.0
 22 2012-05-04 13:13:27 <Guest60516> How does bitcoin connect to other peers?
 23 2012-05-04 13:13:40 <Guest60516> does it scan the whole IP range 0.0.0.0 to 255.255?
 24 2012-05-04 13:14:47 <sipa> 1) -connect and -addnode on the commandline 2) DNS seeds 3) IRC seeds (disabled by default since 0.6.0) 4) built-in IP list or reliable nodes
 25 2012-05-04 13:15:30 <Guest60516> and without those?
 26 2012-05-04 13:15:51 <sipa> without which?
 27 2012-05-04 13:16:00 <sipa> oh, i forgot the most important one
 28 2012-05-04 13:16:07 <sipa> 5) peer exchange
 29 2012-05-04 13:16:23 <drizztbsd> 6) NSA servers ;)
 30 2012-05-04 13:24:39 <luke-jr> Guest60516: IPv4 is obsolete fyi
 31 2012-05-04 13:24:58 <sipa> ...
 32 2012-05-04 13:25:06 <sipa> luke-jr, meet reality
 33 2012-05-04 13:25:10 <sipa> reality, meet luke-jr
 34 2012-05-04 13:25:50 <luke-jr> reality = one of my ISPs is IPv6-only
 35 2012-05-04 13:26:06 <drizztbsd> luke-jr: surely with IPv4-to-IPv6 tunnel :P
 36 2012-05-04 13:26:21 <drizztbsd> or you can't navigate to 99% of the internet websites
 37 2012-05-04 13:26:26 <sipa> i don't think you and your ISP are not a representative sample of the world's internet users
 38 2012-05-04 13:26:43 <sipa> however much you (and i) would like you to be right about that
 39 2012-05-04 13:27:23 <luke-jr> T-Mobile is a pretty big US cellular carrier
 40 2012-05-04 13:27:48 <sipa> and they're IPv6-only? :o
 41 2012-05-04 13:28:06 <drizztbsd> ? android used to don't support ipv6
 42 2012-05-04 13:28:35 <luke-jr> sipa: at least for new phones afaik
 43 2012-05-04 13:28:48 <luke-jr> I think they have a deprecated parallel network to keep the old phones working
 44 2012-05-04 13:29:11 <luke-jr> drizztbsd: that's just Google fail
 45 2012-05-04 13:29:24 <luke-jr> anything as new as Android should have been IPv6-centric from day 1
 46 2012-05-04 13:29:29 <luke-jr> sipa: also, 4G requires IPv6
 47 2012-05-04 13:30:37 <sipa> interesting
 48 2012-05-04 13:30:52 <Guest60516> luke-jr:what do you mean obsolete?
 49 2012-05-04 13:30:54 <luke-jr> Comcast (big US cable ISP) is also doing IPv6 I hear
 50 2012-05-04 13:31:05 <drizztbsd> we don't have LTE in italy/europe
 51 2012-05-04 13:31:12 <luke-jr> Guest60516: I mean it's stupid to make anything IPv4-based these days
 52 2012-05-04 13:31:28 <drizztbsd> bitcoin over anycast :P
 53 2012-05-04 13:31:39 <luke-jr> multicast fits Bitcoin better
 54 2012-05-04 13:31:51 <sipa> broadcast!
 55 2012-05-04 13:31:58 <luke-jr> and p2p in general for that matter
 56 2012-05-04 13:32:08 <drizztbsd> not every isp/tb supports multicast
 57 2012-05-04 13:32:15 <sipa> but it's also stupid to ignore the reality that IPv4 will be the most common form of internet addressing for years to come
 58 2012-05-04 13:32:21 <luke-jr> in theory, IPv6 mandates multicast <.<
 59 2012-05-04 13:32:24 <Guest60516> typecast!
 60 2012-05-04 13:32:28 <sipa> sure, you shouldn't design something ipv4-only these days anymore
 61 2012-05-04 13:32:34 <luke-jr> sipa: I wouldn't bet on that.
 62 2012-05-04 13:32:40 <luke-jr> sipa: NAT64 costs nothing
 63 2012-05-04 13:32:42 <drizztbsd> in theory ipv6 wants ipsec, but mobile phones does not supports it :P
 64 2012-05-04 13:32:49 <luke-jr> drizztbsd: no?
 65 2012-05-04 13:33:20 <drizztbsd> my phone only supports l2tp and pptp
 66 2012-05-04 13:33:25 <drizztbsd> by default
 67 2012-05-04 13:33:51 <luke-jr> not sure IPv6 mandates end-points support IPSec or multicast, just routers
 68 2012-05-04 13:34:14 <luke-jr> MIPv6 would be nice ;)
 69 2012-05-04 13:35:15 <drizztbsd> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6214 is the future!
 70 2012-05-04 14:04:40 <genjix> oh sipa where is your ipv6 t-shirt
 71 2012-05-04 14:05:13 <gmaxwell> I have an IPv6 t-shirt.
 72 2012-05-04 14:05:46 <genjix> that's half braggable
 73 2012-05-04 14:08:15 <gmaxwell> I actually may have more than one. But I know I at least have one... it's a pretty good one, the IETF 74 shirt.  "IPv6 world tour" and it looks like a band shirt
 74 2012-05-04 14:09:57 <genjix> i like the free software ones they give out at conferences
 75 2012-05-04 14:10:24 <genjix> it's nice to be wearing community graphics
 76 2012-05-04 14:10:25 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: laanwj opened pull request 1193 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1193>
 77 2012-05-04 14:10:59 <gmaxwell> I have an enlightenment windowmanager shirt from Linux expo 1996 or so .. which I couldn't ever wear because people thought it was about the drug MDMA.
 78 2012-05-04 14:11:32 <gmaxwell> (It says something like "Do you use ^^e^^?")
 79 2012-05-04 14:12:37 <genjix> i have an ubuntu shirt which says "Do you like to Ubuntu?" on the back
 80 2012-05-04 14:12:45 <genjix> apparently ubuntu means fuck in russian
 81 2012-05-04 14:13:28 <sipa> genjix: i have a t-shirt that says "There's no place like ::1"
 82 2012-05-04 14:18:23 <t7> bet that drives the girls wild
 83 2012-05-04 14:19:39 <sipa> oh, seems vint cerf is giving a talk next week here
 84 2012-05-04 14:20:29 <sipa> t7: ehm, you bet... eh...!
 85 2012-05-04 14:20:53 <genjix> girls gone ipv6
 86 2012-05-04 14:20:54 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: Diapolo opened pull request 1194 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1194>
 87 2012-05-04 14:21:20 <t7> haha
 88 2012-05-04 14:21:42 <t7> will we all get static ips when they switch over?
 89 2012-05-04 14:21:52 <t7> or will ISPs be mean
 90 2012-05-04 14:22:21 <sipa> t7: if they can charge for a static IP, they will :D
 91 2012-05-04 14:22:57 <t7> my ISP blocked the pirate bay 2 days ago
 92 2012-05-04 14:23:09 <sipa> do recent home routers have a "firewall but don't NAT ipv6 connections mode" ?
 93 2012-05-04 14:23:09 <t7> i hate this planet
 94 2012-05-04 14:23:14 <paulo_> t7: you in europe?
 95 2012-05-04 14:23:18 <t7> UK
 96 2012-05-04 14:23:29 <paulo_> ah, better use TOR then.
 97 2012-05-04 14:23:37 <genjix> t7: bitcoin2012.com
 98 2012-05-04 14:23:42 <t7> theres a mirror on the pirate party site
 99 2012-05-04 14:23:55 <t7> i paid for membership too
100 2012-05-04 14:23:59 <t7> a few months ago
101 2012-05-04 14:24:09 <paulo_> t7: what's the URL?
102 2012-05-04 14:24:37 <t7> http://tpb.pirateparty.org.uk/
103 2012-05-04 14:24:42 <Diapolo> Hi all! Wumpus: Are you on?
104 2012-05-04 14:26:06 <Guest_RNG> oh yeah
105 2012-05-04 14:26:12 <Guest_RNG> UK got tbp blocked, right?
106 2012-05-04 14:26:20 <t7> yeah
107 2012-05-04 14:26:27 <Guest_RNG> Sucks
108 2012-05-04 14:26:29 <t7> next stop, porn
109 2012-05-04 14:26:46 <Guest_RNG> Well, I at least won't have to worry about something as this for a while
110 2012-05-04 14:28:40 <gmaxwell> but but! the internet detects censorship as damage and routes around it!
111 2012-05-04 14:30:31 <guruvan> gmaxwell: does tpb have a .bit?
112 2012-05-04 14:31:20 <sturles> How is it blocked?  Just DNS?
113 2012-05-04 14:32:19 <sturles> Denmark blocks it via DNS, so everyone just change their DNS settings.  DNS servers at danish ISPs get a query a minut if they are lucky..
114 2012-05-04 14:33:52 <t7> sturles: nope IP level block
115 2012-05-04 14:35:40 <drizztbsd> italy blocks it via DNS and IP (almost any ISP)
116 2012-05-04 14:35:58 <drizztbsd> we had to use http://www.labaia.ws/ :)
117 2012-05-04 14:46:48 <t7> i emailed my MP and he never replied
118 2012-05-04 14:46:52 <t7> fuck this country
119 2012-05-04 14:46:57 <t7> im moving to iceland
120 2012-05-04 14:48:47 <drizztbsd> who is MP
121 2012-05-04 14:48:49 <drizztbsd> ?
122 2012-05-04 14:48:59 <copumpkin> member of parliament
123 2012-05-04 14:50:04 <luke-jr> t7: I wouldn't be surprised if they just put a /64 on each network node and let all the customers pollute the same subnet
124 2012-05-04 14:54:32 <jgarzik> heh, hadn't thought about Satoshi Dice being a disguised bitcoin laundry.  need more caffeine.  http://www.bitcoinmoney.com/post/22374833252/sastoshi-dice-launch
125 2012-05-04 14:58:12 <drizztbsd> jgarzik: what is it?
126 2012-05-04 15:01:22 <Diapolo> Is it save to remove "#if QT_VERSION >= 0x040700" from the source as we are now at 4.7.4 anyway (at least the Win exe displays this)?
127 2012-05-04 15:01:41 <wump> Diapolo: no, we still support older versions of qt
128 2012-05-04 15:02:07 <Diapolo> wump: == Wumpus?
129 2012-05-04 15:02:09 <wump> at least 4.6
130 2012-05-04 15:02:13 <wump> yea
131 2012-05-04 15:02:52 <Diapolo> wumpus: But to move placeholdertext into the ui file for sendcoins is fine?
132 2012-05-04 15:03:05 <wumpus> sure
133 2012-05-04 15:03:15 <wumpus> moving stuff to the xml is always good
134 2012-05-04 15:03:30 <Diapolo> alright only 2 uses of #if QT_VERSION >= 0x040700 are now left in the source, which I cant move as there is no ui file ^^.
135 2012-05-04 15:03:45 <luke-jr> wumpus: placeholdertext requires 4.7 IIRC
136 2012-05-04 15:04:02 <luke-jr> wumpus: placeholdertext requires 4.7 IIRC
137 2012-05-04 15:04:09 <luke-jr> so moving it to xml implies taking out of the #ifdef
138 2012-05-04 15:04:35 <Diapolo> luke-jt: the xml should ignore unknown settings without breaking the build I hope?
139 2012-05-04 15:04:37 <wumpus> the compiler ignores attributes it doesn't know
140 2012-05-04 15:04:40 <Diapolo> :)
141 2012-05-04 15:04:44 <Diapolo> that's what I meant
142 2012-05-04 15:05:06 <luke-jr> i c
143 2012-05-04 15:05:20 <wumpus> luckily there is no strict schema validation
144 2012-05-04 15:05:53 <Diapolo> wumpus: are there plans to merge some of the little GUI fixes as this is now new feature and should not break the definition af a RC :D.
145 2012-05-04 15:06:01 <Diapolo> now = no
146 2012-05-04 15:06:59 <wumpus> unless they fix problems, rather not
147 2012-05-04 15:07:54 <Diapolo> I really hate that pull-request jam for that little stuff ^^.
148 2012-05-04 15:09:21 <wumpus> I do, too, most projects have multiple branches and already start merging for the next major version in another branch, but that's not our development process right now
149 2012-05-04 15:09:29 <Diapolo> What's the planned shedule for 0.6.1?
150 2012-05-04 15:10:00 <wumpus> once there is a RC with no (major) reported problems it becomes 0.6.1 final
151 2012-05-04 15:10:16 <Diapolo> I see
152 2012-05-04 15:10:38 <Diapolo> Are there blockers left that are unfixed and need work?
153 2012-05-04 15:13:37 <wumpus> I don't know, I think all the blockers up until now are solved
154 2012-05-04 15:13:40 <luke-jr> I think so.
155 2012-05-04 15:14:17 <Diapolo> The addrman crashes?
156 2012-05-04 15:14:34 <Diapolo> At least I'm of no use for that problem ^^.
157 2012-05-04 15:21:54 <gavinandresen> addrman crash is not reproducible (I even wrote some multithreaded stress-testing code to try to make it crash with no luck)
158 2012-05-04 15:22:39 <luke-jr> crashes are scary, after the 0.5.3.1 thing
159 2012-05-04 15:23:30 <jgarzik> wading through bitcoin+boost+ssl in valgrind is hellish
160 2012-05-04 15:23:53 <jgarzik> must suppress tons of output before even getting to the problem
161 2012-05-04 15:25:13 <gmaxwell> jgarzik: you can make things much better by simply compiling your openssl with -DPURIFY
162 2012-05-04 15:25:20 <gavinandresen> really?  compile ssl and bdb with the right flags and you shouldn't get any
163 2012-05-04 15:25:33 <gmaxwell> that cuts out almost all of it except some occasional places where bdb writes uninitilized memory to disk.
164 2012-05-04 15:26:02 <gmaxwell> The openssl rpms I maintain are compiled that way: http://people.xiph.org/~greg/openssl/
165 2012-05-04 15:30:30 <gmaxwell> Anyone have any guesses why a version 60000 node would be stuck at height 140700?  I'm seeing at least two that are which are connecting to me.
166 2012-05-04 15:30:57 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: isn't that an early-BIP16-date version?
167 2012-05-04 15:32:13 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: I don't know: I think thats the protocol version field, which is still currently 60000
168 2012-05-04 15:32:40 <luke-jr> oh
169 2012-05-04 15:32:44 <luke-jr> what's the UA then?
170 2012-05-04 15:32:45 <gmaxwell> But even if it was BIP16 on the wrong date wouldn't imply getting stuck at 140700 ... thats the height of the prior highest checkpoint.
171 2012-05-04 15:32:45 <jgarzik> yeah, I know about -DPURIFY in openssl.  Didn't know about any bdb tricks...?
172 2012-05-04 15:33:07 <gmaxwell> gavinandresen: yea, what bdb tricks?
173 2012-05-04 15:33:47 <gavinandresen> exactly the kind of thing I never remember... lemme look at my bdb source tree....
174 2012-05-04 15:33:55 <gmaxwell> jgarzik: a lot of the alerts elsewhere in the code are from openssl sourced random numbers... so just doing openssl, for example gets me only 4 notices out of a node which has been up for >24 hours.
175 2012-05-04 15:34:40 <gmaxwell> (well, on fedora 16, which may have some relevant system level whitelisting that I'm not aware of)
176 2012-05-04 15:35:51 <gavinandresen> configure bdb with --enable-umrw
177 2012-05-04 15:37:42 <gmaxwell> odd. valgrind should _not_ be complaining about uninitilized data in padding. .. well, I suppose it does if they're dropping those structs to disk. Of course, if  thats the case then its a potential private data leak (and probably a file portablility bug)
178 2012-05-04 15:39:36 <gavinandresen> jgarzik gmaxwell sipa: I want to push a 0.6.1 final tag and do a 0.6.1 build .... any reason not to?
179 2012-05-04 15:40:43 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: ack
180 2012-05-04 15:52:43 <gavinandresen> git question:  I've got a tag in one tree on my machine, I want to either push JUST that one tag up to github or move JUST that one tag to a clean tree.... easiest way?
181 2012-05-04 15:56:04 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: http://andreasjacobsen.com/2008/10/01/use-git-tags/
182 2012-05-04 15:56:29 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: thanks
183 2012-05-04 15:58:11 <gavinandresen> 0.6.1 tagged, I'm going to start gitian building
184 2012-05-04 16:19:57 <TuxBlackEdo> gavinandresen, build that shitt!! :)
185 2012-05-04 16:22:21 <TuxBlackEdo> so i've been building an inventory manager for a moving company (which uses qr codes), first time using a mac (and xcode for that matter)... and wow, Obj-C is a beast, so god damn confusing.
186 2012-05-04 16:51:21 <gavinandresen> gitian.sigs for 0.6.1 pushed... anybody else have time to do a build and compare signatures?
187 2012-05-04 16:52:31 <gmaxwell> darnit, is there any way to have a working kvm gitian setup without having ubuntu running on the bare metal?
188 2012-05-04 16:53:22 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: I can do a build
189 2012-05-04 16:53:35 <gavinandresen> luke-jr: thanks
190 2012-05-04 16:53:35 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: I run Ubuntu in a KVM
191 2012-05-04 16:54:03 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: I thought kvm in kvm was pure superslow cpu emulation?
192 2012-05-04 16:54:10 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: it is, I use nested VT-x
193 2012-05-04 16:54:25 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: which has a known bug that panics the kernel once every few months, note
194 2012-05-04 16:54:52 <luke-jr> err, CPU emulation is super-slow, but nested VT-x isn't so much
195 2012-05-04 16:57:52 <devrandom> gmaxwell: use lxc?
196 2012-05-04 17:00:07 <devrandom> gavinandresen: I keep getting mismatches on 64 bit builds, so I'll stay out of builds until I figure out why
197 2012-05-04 17:00:32 <gmaxwell> devrandom: I didn't think I could do both 32 and 64 bit builds from lxc.
198 2012-05-04 17:07:54 <devrandom> gmaxwell: as long as you have a 64 bit host...
199 2012-05-04 17:09:03 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: btw, does this mean you have gitian working now?
200 2012-05-04 17:34:31 <luke-jr> printf("priority     nValueIn=%-12I64d nConf=%-5d dPriority=%-20.1f\n", nValueIn, nConf, dPriority);
201 2012-05-04 17:34:33 <luke-jr> this line is buggy
202 2012-05-04 17:34:34 <luke-jr> :p
203 2012-05-04 17:45:08 <gmaxwell> I'm wondering if nodes shouldn't drop connections outbound connections to peers with < highest checkpoint blocks.  E.g. don't use your precious outbound slots talking to nodes that are broken or new.
204 2012-05-04 17:45:52 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: so everyone boycotts the newbie trying to load the blockchain?
205 2012-05-04 17:46:04 <gmaxwell> outbound, not inbound.
206 2012-05-04 17:46:41 <gmaxwell> He shouldn't even be advertising himself until he's synced up.
207 2012-05-04 18:21:05 <gmaxwell> devrandom: so.. trying lxc ... it just gets to Calling hook: bootstrap  and stits there.
208 2012-05-04 20:13:07 <DiabloD3> IF YOU LOVE BITCOIN, VOTE IN THIS POLL: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=78919.0
209 2012-05-04 20:14:32 <Diapolo> hi all
210 2012-05-04 20:14:42 <DiabloD3> hey Diapolo
211 2012-05-04 20:14:45 <DiabloD3> did you vote in the poll?
212 2012-05-04 20:14:50 <DiabloD3> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=78919.0
213 2012-05-04 20:16:46 <Diapolo_> DiabloD3: not yet
214 2012-05-04 20:17:48 <Diapolo_> IPO is the amount of BTC you want to take from selling shares?
215 2012-05-04 20:17:51 <ali1234> what kind of a question is that?
216 2012-05-04 20:17:57 <DiabloD3> Diapolo_: yeah
217 2012-05-04 20:18:05 <ali1234> the IPO should be for the amount that you need to do the business
218 2012-05-04 20:18:35 <DiabloD3> ali1234: it is.
219 2012-05-04 20:18:38 <DiabloD3> its just variable.
220 2012-05-04 20:18:56 <Diapolo_> As I',m native german I'm sometimes ask question that may sound dumb :-P, thanks for allowing me that.
221 2012-05-04 20:19:07 <Diapolo_> +ing
222 2012-05-04 20:19:23 <ali1234> Diapolo_: not you
223 2012-05-04 20:19:28 <ali1234> i meant the poll
224 2012-05-04 20:19:38 <Diapolo_> allright ;)
225 2012-05-04 20:20:43 <ali1234> all i would add is the more btc you get the more you need to dump
226 2012-05-04 20:20:51 <ali1234> thus more is in fact less
227 2012-05-04 20:38:37 <nanotube> any reason i shouldn't set 0.6.1 as default download? (currently 0.6.0 is still default) ?
228 2012-05-04 20:38:46 <nanotube> on sourceforge
229 2012-05-04 20:39:08 <gmaxwell> we wouldn't have released it if we were aware of one!
230 2012-05-04 20:39:32 <DiabloD3> ali1234: the plan has a minimum viable amount, but Im obviously not going to stop investors from investing
231 2012-05-04 20:39:40 <DiabloD3> ali1234: but the less money thats invested, the less money is made
232 2012-05-04 20:39:42 <nanotube> gmaxwell: heh ok then. just wanted to make sure :)
233 2012-05-04 20:39:54 <DiabloD3> ali1234: 1m is just a fall off point where more isnt going to make it go faster in the beginning
234 2012-05-04 20:40:02 <DiabloD3> ali1234: at least, the gap between 1m and the next is very large
235 2012-05-04 20:41:09 <Diapolo_> Ah you built the final?
236 2012-05-04 20:41:38 <Diapolo_> Strange that the last Github commit says: Bump version numbers for 0.6.1rc2 then?
237 2012-05-04 20:41:48 <DiabloD3> ali1234: I mean like, lets say the bitcoin community out of some miraculous fluke of reality, some glitch in the matrix of some sort, put $25m in my lap
238 2012-05-04 20:42:10 <nanotube> ok default set to 0.6.1, sf site should reflect that within a few minutes.
239 2012-05-04 20:42:16 <ali1234> they wouldn't though
240 2012-05-04 20:42:18 <DiabloD3> ali1234: I'd need a new plan, for one, but other than that, we'd be one of the largest companies in Maine.
241 2012-05-04 20:42:22 <gmaxwell> DiabloD3: our RCs become the finals exactly
242 2012-05-04 20:42:25 <ali1234> they might give you 5m btc
243 2012-05-04 20:42:33 <DiabloD3> ali1234: well Im talking in btc
244 2012-05-04 20:42:39 <ali1234> then by the time you've sold, say 250k, btc is now worth $1
245 2012-05-04 20:42:42 <DiabloD3> unless you're a huge investor, I dont want USD, its too expensive
246 2012-05-04 20:42:52 <DiabloD3> ali1234: well, theres a circuit breaker rule
247 2012-05-04 20:43:00 <DiabloD3> I wont sell below a specific point, its suicide
248 2012-05-04 20:44:33 <Diapolo_> gmaxwell: understood, thanks
249 2012-05-04 20:44:57 <ali1234> on that basis you may as well just set the IPO at 21M btc
250 2012-05-04 20:45:12 <DiabloD3> ali1234: well, people are worried about a possible forever IPO condition
251 2012-05-04 20:45:29 <DiabloD3> some people simply do not think 1m is possible, and I don't share their views.
252 2012-05-04 20:45:35 <ali1234> forever?
253 2012-05-04 20:46:01 <DiabloD3> forever as shares will never be completely sold
254 2012-05-04 20:46:42 <ali1234> and why is that a problem?
255 2012-05-04 20:47:19 <DiabloD3> its rather pear shaped
256 2012-05-04 20:47:25 <DiabloD3> investors can basically never exit the market
257 2012-05-04 20:47:28 <DiabloD3> unless they do so at a loss
258 2012-05-04 20:48:25 <ali1234> well, not really, because the value of btc may change
259 2012-05-04 20:48:38 <ali1234> so you set IPO at 21M and you only sell half
260 2012-05-04 20:48:53 <ali1234> ok. now as soon as you start selling the btc to get actual funds, price of btc halves
261 2012-05-04 20:49:05 <ali1234> effectively the second half of the shares are half the price
262 2012-05-04 20:49:15 <DiabloD3> in a round about way, sort of
263 2012-05-04 20:49:31 <ali1234> or to put it another way. people are buying your shares with btc. then those same people buy back the btc from you and use them to buy more shares at a cheaper price
264 2012-05-04 20:49:43 <DiabloD3> yeah
265 2012-05-04 20:49:49 <DiabloD3> which would be really strange to watch
266 2012-05-04 20:51:40 <ali1234> in the end it doesn't matter what size the IPO is because you're going to end up with the same number of dollars
267 2012-05-04 20:52:01 <ali1234> for sufficiently large number of btc
268 2012-05-04 20:52:33 <DiabloD3> yes, but the purpose of the company is to be one of many initiatives to increase the value of BTC
269 2012-05-04 20:52:50 <gmaxwell> devrandom: http://pastebin.com/PTpnzmr3  /me stabs
270 2012-05-04 20:52:52 <ali1234> hmm
271 2012-05-04 20:53:02 <ali1234> well if you want to do that just do the IPO then sit on the BTC forever
272 2012-05-04 20:54:03 <DiabloD3> ali1234: yeah, but that doesnt directly work
273 2012-05-04 20:54:19 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: rebroad opened issue 1195 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/1195>
274 2012-05-04 20:54:26 <DiabloD3> the secondary income streams would, essentially, be causing me to buy btc to send them out as dividends
275 2012-05-04 20:55:02 <ali1234> yeah, which would increase the value of btc even further
276 2012-05-04 20:56:43 <Diapolo_> and I thought I open many issues ^^
277 2012-05-04 20:59:43 <gmaxwell> Anyone here run bitcoin on ia64?
278 2012-05-04 21:00:12 <luke-jr> is ia64 LE?
279 2012-05-04 21:00:38 <gmaxwell> Yes. (well it can do either, but in Linux it's LE)
280 2012-05-04 21:00:57 <DiabloD3> ooh
281 2012-05-04 21:00:59 <DiabloD3> I have a list of that!
282 2012-05-04 21:01:12 <gmaxwell> A list of what?
283 2012-05-04 21:01:27 <DiabloD3> shit like luke's question
284 2012-05-04 21:01:45 <gjs278> I thought the electricty in maine was ridiculously expensive
285 2012-05-04 21:01:48 <DiabloD3> http://caspar.adterrasperaspera.com/cgit/libugh.git/tree/src/libugh/base/machine.h
286 2012-05-04 21:01:49 <DiabloD3> ba,!
287 2012-05-04 21:01:50 <DiabloD3> bam!
288 2012-05-04 21:01:57 <gmaxwell> I want a platform where int is 64 bits.
289 2012-05-04 21:02:03 <DiabloD3> gjs278: 15 cents kwh maximum, but we do have sane commercial rates
290 2012-05-04 21:02:12 <DiabloD3> gmaxwell: there is such a thing
291 2012-05-04 21:02:13 <gjs278> oh ok
292 2012-05-04 21:02:31 <DiabloD3> gjs278: plus, if we're selling the power back most of the time, they can charge _whatever they want_
293 2012-05-04 21:02:32 <gmaxwell> DiabloD3: I thought cray t3d was but it's not.
294 2012-05-04 21:02:40 <DiabloD3> gmaxwell: no, its related to the OS
295 2012-05-04 21:02:42 <DiabloD3> its not hardware specific
296 2012-05-04 21:02:57 <gjs278> I thought the whole DMC was a joke over that 500k investment company I didn't know it was for real
297 2012-05-04 21:03:01 <DiabloD3> I wanna say tru64 does it, but I think Im wrong
298 2012-05-04 21:03:08 <DiabloD3> gjs278: no no, quite real
299 2012-05-04 21:03:12 <Tzui> D
300 2012-05-04 21:03:46 <DiabloD3> gmaxwell: theres technically nothing wrong with a 32 bit int
301 2012-05-04 21:04:02 <DiabloD3> gmaxwell: if you need a specific size you're going to use the c99 types anyhow
302 2012-05-04 21:05:02 <gmaxwell> DiabloD3: sure sure, no I want a platform where int is 64 bits in order to find code that assumes its 32 bits.  -Dint=int64 doesn't work because of all the api/abi issues.
303 2012-05-04 21:05:27 <DiabloD3> gmaxwell: yeah and I swear its tru64
304 2012-05-04 21:05:36 <DiabloD3> if Im wrong, its still one of the obscure commercial unixes
305 2012-05-04 21:06:28 <gmaxwell> I really thought there was something.. but ::shrugs:: it's not tru64.
306 2012-05-04 21:06:40 <DiabloD3> Im trying to think
307 2012-05-04 21:06:43 <DiabloD3> I know theres one
308 2012-05-04 21:07:18 <DiabloD3> hrm
309 2012-05-04 21:07:27 <DiabloD3> its unicos
310 2012-05-04 21:07:47 <DiabloD3> holy shit, unicos ALL the things are 64 bit
311 2012-05-04 21:07:57 <DiabloD3> short, int, and long
312 2012-05-04 21:08:11 <gmaxwell> ah!
313 2012-05-04 21:08:13 <gmaxwell> sweet.
314 2012-05-04 21:08:41 <DiabloD3> [07:02:33] <gmaxwell> DiabloD3: I thought cray t3d was but it's not.
315 2012-05-04 21:08:44 <DiabloD3> no apparentlyyou were right
316 2012-05-04 21:08:49 <DiabloD3> theres a unicos version for that
317 2012-05-04 21:09:35 <gmaxwell> hm. Now I wonder why I thought it wasn't.
318 2012-05-04 21:10:21 <DiabloD3> t3ds used alphas
319 2012-05-04 21:10:31 <DiabloD3> its obviously not a hardware requirement
320 2012-05-04 21:10:43 <DiabloD3> "The Cray T3D MC cabinet had an Apple Macintosh PowerBook laptop built into its front. Its only purpose was to display animated Cray Research and T3D logos on its color LCD screen."
321 2012-05-04 21:10:46 <DiabloD3> I totally forgot about that
322 2012-05-04 21:11:36 <DiabloD3> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicos
323 2012-05-04 21:11:42 <DiabloD3> theres completely unrelated versions of unicos
324 2012-05-04 21:11:43 <DiabloD3> wtf
325 2012-05-04 21:11:50 <DiabloD3> ones irix based, another is linux based
326 2012-05-04 21:30:08 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: gitian?
327 2012-05-04 21:31:23 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: hates me for some unknown reason.
328 2012-05-04 21:34:02 <luke-jr> :<
329 2012-05-04 21:44:59 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: rebroad reopened issue 1195 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/1195>
330 2012-05-04 22:03:50 <devrandom> gmaxwell: could you do "losetup -a" and paste output?
331 2012-05-04 22:04:15 <devrandom> and ls /dev/mapper/loop*
332 2012-05-04 22:05:08 <devrandom> wait, maybe I have a bug
333 2012-05-04 22:06:06 <devrandom> no, it should work.... these two lines convert the image to raw, then mounts the paritions in /dev/mapper/loop*:
334 2012-05-04 22:06:09 <devrandom> qemu-img convert $OUT.qcow2 $OUT.raw
335 2012-05-04 22:06:10 <devrandom> loop=`sudo kpartx -av $OUT.raw|sed -n '/loop(.)p1/ i1'`
336 2012-05-04 22:06:25 <devrandom> maybe run them one by one and try to see where the issue is
337 2012-05-04 22:06:36 <gmaxwell> gmaxwell@bitcoin-gitian:~/gitian-builder$ sudo losetup -a
338 2012-05-04 22:06:37 <gmaxwell> [sudo] password for gmaxwell:
339 2012-05-04 22:06:50 <gmaxwell> the 64 bit one appeared to work. :-/
340 2012-05-04 22:13:51 <devrandom> hm...
341 2012-05-04 22:14:23 <devrandom> so it got the loop device wrong... it should have been looking for loop0p1 but it thought it's loop1p1
342 2012-05-04 22:14:33 <devrandom> maybe my sed invocation is wrong
343 2012-05-04 22:16:24 <devrandom> it is wrong
344 2012-05-04 22:17:19 <devrandom> it always outputs 1
345 2012-05-04 22:17:56 <gmaxwell> devrandom: Happy to brake your code anytime.
346 2012-05-04 22:20:34 <devrandom> gmaxwell: fix pushed...
347 2012-05-04 22:21:09 <devrandom> you might also do 'sudo kpartx -d /dev/loop0' to clear the lingering loop device...
348 2012-05-04 22:22:48 <gmaxwell> devrandom: ::nods:: already had.
349 2012-05-04 22:24:02 <gmaxwell> (hm thats probably why amd64 worked for me, I did it after a failed 32 bit run)
350 2012-05-04 22:25:04 <devrandom> gmaxwell: right
351 2012-05-04 22:25:15 <devrandom> sed is kinda retarded... I think I'll switch that line to awk
352 2012-05-04 22:30:22 <devrandom> or maybe awk is as retarted
353 2012-05-04 22:33:03 <luke-jr> dPriority=5192296858506694614435832352735232.00000000
354 2012-05-04 22:33:05 <luke-jr> wtf
355 2012-05-04 22:33:33 <gmaxwell> er?
356 2012-05-04 22:34:01 <luke-jr> trying to figure out why some txns have hugely insane priorities :P
357 2012-05-04 22:34:33 <gmaxwell> probably an integer overflow, perhaps one related to the signed/unsigned shenanagins recently?
358 2012-05-04 22:35:14 <gmaxwell> e.g..  keep in mind that value*age is in coin units ..soo...
359 2012-05-04 22:35:20 <luke-jr> but it's a double@!
360 2012-05-04 22:35:33 <gmaxwell> yes, but when does it become a double?
361 2012-05-04 22:35:38 <luke-jr> asap
362 2012-05-04 22:36:33 <gmaxwell> dPriority += (double)nValueIn * nConf;
363 2012-05-04 22:36:35 <gmaxwell> hm..
364 2012-05-04 23:07:15 <luke-jr> priority     nValueIn=685032704 nConf=1     dPriority=1056589062271331900364084970714326332629762560057904540210845208585260932219585486942252502881259615928761023798648166461643292251279612171255577888596490734090693362980227675786261021147086132723864070031187186804502541192245527414615364675899782815094181019220038385664.0
365 2012-05-04 23:07:17 <luke-jr> wtf
366 2012-05-04 23:09:13 <splatster> luke-jr: ummm, that seems a bit high
367 2012-05-04 23:09:21 <luke-jr> no kidding
368 2012-05-04 23:09:28 <splatster> </severe understatement>