1 2013-02-12 00:00:05 <MC1984> lol massive bitcoin thread on /g/ again
2 2013-02-12 00:00:29 <MC1984> half of them are saying bitcoins are only used to buy CP and the other half are telling those guys to die
3 2013-02-12 00:00:33 <gmaxwell> ah, may explain the rise in idiots.
4 2013-02-12 00:01:12 <MC1984> they only give a shit when the price is high and they think they can print free money again
5 2013-02-12 00:01:55 <MC1984> /g/ had a pool once, it disappeared the second it found a block lol
6 2013-02-12 00:02:30 <Scrat> MC1984: does virgin throttle BT traffic?
7 2013-02-12 00:03:06 <MC1984> thier terms reserve the right to
8 2013-02-12 00:03:23 <MC1984> ontop of the 2GB a night or fuck you clause
9 2013-02-12 00:06:30 <phantomcircuit> Scrat, for some perspective i just started the download with another deluge client in the us and it hasn't downloaded a single byte
10 2013-02-12 00:07:06 <phantomcircuit> all of the peers it found are leechers
11 2013-02-12 00:09:12 <Scrat> but leechers still have some data
12 2013-02-12 00:09:25 <phantomcircuit> not these ones
13 2013-02-12 00:09:35 <phantomcircuit> and im not getting any new peers
14 2013-02-12 00:09:58 <phantomcircuit> both are deluge 1.3.5
15 2013-02-12 00:10:03 <phantomcircuit> so there isn't a client issue
16 2013-02-12 00:10:07 <Eliel_> MC1984: what's /g/?
17 2013-02-12 00:10:19 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: RE peers... talking about my torrent?
18 2013-02-12 00:10:19 <Scrat> Eliel_: you dont wanna know
19 2013-02-12 00:10:23 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, yes
20 2013-02-12 00:10:29 <MC1984> 4chan.org/g/
21 2013-02-12 00:10:34 <MC1984> nothing good happens there
22 2013-02-12 00:11:31 <Eliel_> I see :)
23 2013-02-12 00:14:42 <phantomcircuit> it's like im on a totally different dht
24 2013-02-12 00:14:55 <phantomcircuit> it still hasn't downloaded the metadata
25 2013-02-12 00:40:40 <MC1984> never ever use bitcoins. my cousin used it once to buy a lizard and got months in a YDC for concealing monetary interactions.
26 2013-02-12 00:40:56 <MC1984> is lizard a euphemism for something, or an actual lizard?
27 2013-02-12 00:40:58 <MC1984> oh 4chan
28 2013-02-12 00:43:56 <andytoshi> haha
29 2013-02-12 00:59:52 <phantomcircuit> Scrat, it's still stuck fyi
30 2013-02-12 01:00:58 <moore> phantomcircuit, what are you all trying to do with the bitcoin dht? Boot strap the client?
31 2013-02-12 01:01:11 <phantomcircuit> there is no bitcoin dht
32 2013-02-12 01:01:20 <phantomcircuit> im trying to download bootstrap.dat over bittorrent
33 2013-02-12 01:01:24 <moore> err I meen bittorrent
34 2013-02-12 01:01:28 <phantomcircuit> it's the bittorrent dht that's nto working right
35 2013-02-12 01:01:35 <moore> ya
36 2013-02-12 01:01:42 <moore> I just misspoke
37 2013-02-12 01:01:43 <phantomcircuit> it's like the dht is split or something
38 2013-02-12 01:01:47 <moore> hmm
39 2013-02-12 01:01:58 <moore> I know the guy that writes it
40 2013-02-12 01:02:14 <doublec> phantomcircuit: can you see it in btdigg.org?
41 2013-02-12 01:02:20 <moore> well works on the utorrent impl
42 2013-02-12 01:03:36 <MC1984> itson btdigg
43 2013-02-12 01:03:43 <phantomcircuit> https://btdigg.org/search?info_hash=0bb0521942f586ed96203c6f4d136324756f8a9a&q=bootstrap.dat
44 2013-02-12 01:10:26 <Scrat> phantomcircuit: https://bitfetch.com/?token=izEEk9CRIBND
45 2013-02-12 01:11:13 <phantomcircuit> 24 cents per GB is extortionate :)
46 2013-02-12 01:11:13 <Scrat> thats way more than 200 Mbps
47 2013-02-12 01:11:20 <moore> hu
48 2013-02-12 01:11:45 <moore> you think they have it all ready and are just faking the download?
49 2013-02-12 01:12:09 <MC1984> i just plugged the bootstrap magnet into bittorrent and it got the metadata within 20 seconds
50 2013-02-12 01:13:23 <Scrat> phantomcircuit: agreed, only intended for casual downloading
51 2013-02-12 01:14:17 <Scrat> hm, I linked the download didn't I?
52 2013-02-12 01:25:49 <Scrat> disregard that link
53 2013-02-12 01:25:51 <Scrat> ;x
54 2013-02-12 01:28:46 <graham1_j> hey, out of curiosity, how genius an idea is it to come up with "can we create some sort of digital diamond , decentralised , and everybody is competing through processing power and decryption to get these digital diamonds?"
55 2013-02-12 01:28:49 <graham1_j> ie. the concept of bitcoin
56 2013-02-12 01:28:55 <graham1_j> assuming somebody came up with that in 2000 or so
57 2013-02-12 01:31:13 <gmaxwell> graham1_j: the idea of scarce digital commodities isn't new??? it was part of the shared cipherpunk fantasy in through the 80s and 90s. Bitcoin's contribution was making it real and pratical.
58 2013-02-12 01:33:12 <graham1_j> cool, thanks
59 2013-02-12 02:14:42 <denisx> is leveldb version 1.9 ok for bitcoin?
60 2013-02-12 02:21:01 <gmaxwell> denisx: leveldb is shipped as part of bitcoin, it's not something you obtain or install.
61 2013-02-12 02:21:17 <Luke-Jr> denisx: and yes, it's 1.9
62 2013-02-12 02:21:21 <denisx> gmaxwell: I'm building on freebsd
63 2013-02-12 02:21:33 <Luke-Jr> ACTION wonders how that's relevant
64 2013-02-12 02:21:50 <denisx> I already have leveldb as a lib here
65 2013-02-12 02:21:57 <Luke-Jr> denisx: bitcoind won't use it
66 2013-02-12 02:22:09 <Luke-Jr> denisx: also, I hope you mean *porting* to FreeBSD, since it's broken right now
67 2013-02-12 02:22:25 <gmaxwell> (and can't use it)
68 2013-02-12 02:22:33 <denisx> Luke-Jr: what is broken? leveldb?
69 2013-02-12 02:23:01 <Luke-Jr> denisx: bitcoind does not work on *BSD at the moment
70 2013-02-12 02:23:16 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: well, he could merge my sys_leveldb branch..
71 2013-02-12 02:23:29 <denisx> I use -l leveldb in my makefile
72 2013-02-12 02:23:42 <Luke-Jr> ???
73 2013-02-12 02:25:39 <gmaxwell> denisx: in any case, system leveldb is unsupported and will likely remain so for the immediate future.
74 2013-02-12 03:03:31 <benkay> comms question: I want to post a question about spending from multi-sig addresses, but the topic in which i want to respond is super old (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=92865). would y'all prefer I bump that old thread or start a new one?
75 2013-02-12 03:07:55 <benkay> bumping old thread.
76 2013-02-12 05:21:28 <Luke-Jr> invalid UTF-8 really screws up JSON-RPC :<
77 2013-02-12 05:22:21 <BTCOxygen> Luke-Jr: Hi
78 2013-02-12 05:23:26 <BTCOxygen> Luke-Jr: I noticed that if I copy my wallet.dat file to another PC and only watch transactions from it. Soon the two wallets become different
79 2013-02-12 05:23:50 <Luke-Jr> actually, it seems even valid UTF-8 does O.o
80 2013-02-12 05:24:06 <BTCOxygen> Luke-Jr: PM?
81 2013-02-12 05:24:17 <Luke-Jr> BTCOxygen: that's why it's not supported and we say you're almost certain to break your wallet
82 2013-02-12 05:24:21 <Luke-Jr> no PM
83 2013-02-12 05:24:45 <wumpus> BTCOxygen: don't do that!
84 2013-02-12 05:25:03 <Luke-Jr> :p
85 2013-02-12 05:25:57 <gmaxwell> BTCOxygen: good observation, they do.
86 2013-02-12 05:26:57 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: it would be very nice if there was a way to ask Bitcoin-Qt to total up visible transactions btw; then I could have avoided scripting bitcoind to do my taxes :P
87 2013-02-12 05:27:12 <Luke-Jr> (ok, maybe not..)
88 2013-02-12 05:27:21 <wumpus> it shows a total balance, right?
89 2013-02-12 05:27:36 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: yes, but I need to get a total of mining income, etc
90 2013-02-12 05:27:55 <Luke-Jr> (it doesn't show a total of *displayed* txns)
91 2013-02-12 05:28:01 <wumpus> yeah some way to break transactions into categories would be nice
92 2013-02-12 05:28:09 <Luke-Jr> the label search does that fine
93 2013-02-12 05:28:26 <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: Yea, I dumped all the transactions and split them out by label for that purpose.
94 2013-02-12 05:28:53 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: got scripts to share? :P
95 2013-02-12 05:29:05 <gmaxwell> Just some json-rpc to csv export tool would really be all you need. Ideally gnucash should have bitcoin rpc support just like it can tie into banks.
96 2013-02-12 05:29:10 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: I'm thinking I need to somehow correlate the amounts with the value at the time I earned them etc :/
97 2013-02-12 05:29:37 <Luke-Jr> ACTION ponders if there's any accountant that accepts Bitcoin <.<
98 2013-02-12 05:29:49 <gmaxwell> I suspect that gnucash could do that, since it has multicurrency support.
99 2013-02-12 05:31:12 <jgarzik> That's what my accountant makes me do: convert X bitcoins on date D to U USD on date D
100 2013-02-12 05:31:56 <gmaxwell> Seems like this is popular http://www.ledger-cli.org/
101 2013-02-12 05:32:42 <gmaxwell> http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/155gw5/heres_how_you_use_ledger_to_account_for_bitcoin/
102 2013-02-12 05:35:04 <Luke-Jr> jgarzik: how'd you do it?
103 2013-02-12 05:43:21 <Luke-Jr> will have to try ledger, gnucash wants to pull in GNOME
104 2013-02-12 05:44:30 <jgarzik> Luke-Jr: Excel spreadsheet, generated by a simple script initially
105 2013-02-12 05:50:36 <BTCOxygen> Any bitcoin developer here with a wallet hosted at Blockchain.info ?
106 2013-02-12 05:50:57 <jgarzik> ACTION hopes not :)
107 2013-02-12 05:53:06 <BTCOxygen> jgarzik: I have a bitcoin question, But need to show examples of a Blockchain.info hosted wallet
108 2013-02-12 05:53:25 <BTCOxygen> jgarzik: could you create an account please?
109 2013-02-12 05:54:47 <SomeoneWeird> uhh
110 2013-02-12 05:54:53 <SomeoneWeird> bitcoin != blockchain.info
111 2013-02-12 05:55:24 <BTCOxygen> SomeoneWeird: Yeah, But i saw a nice feature on blockchain.info
112 2013-02-12 05:55:27 <gmaxwell> This is the wrong channel for b..o support.
113 2013-02-12 05:55:36 <Luke-Jr> BTCOxygen: it's not a feature, it's a bug
114 2013-02-12 05:55:42 <SomeoneWeird> lol Luke-Jr
115 2013-02-12 05:56:06 <Luke-Jr> BTCOxygen: Bitcoin does not have sending/from addresses, and reusing the same address can lead to your wallet being compromised (in theory)
116 2013-02-12 05:57:00 <gmaxwell> Not only is it a bad keymanagement practice, but it craps all over privacy??? not just for you but also for the people you trade with.
117 2013-02-12 05:57:40 <SomeoneWeird> <Luke-Jr> BTCOxygen: Bitcoin does not have sending/from addresses, and reusing the same address can lead to your wallet being compromised (in theory) < you mean, privacy compromised yeah?
118 2013-02-12 05:58:09 <Luke-Jr> SomeoneWeird: also, when we move to quantum-safe wallets, reuse will likely jeopardize the private key
119 2013-02-12 05:58:39 <Luke-Jr> (while not a problem today, setting a precedent that creates this risk in the future is a bad idea)
120 2013-02-12 05:58:43 <SomeoneWeird> quantumsafe? how are we gunna do that?
121 2013-02-12 05:58:48 <BTCOxygen> gmaxwell: When using a blockchain.info wallet i could send back the change to my sending address
122 2013-02-12 05:59:25 <Luke-Jr> SomeoneWeird: AFAIK the best proposal today is Lamport signatures
123 2013-02-12 05:59:25 <SomeoneWeird> which is a bad idea
124 2013-02-12 06:00:00 <SomeoneWeird> hrmmm
125 2013-02-12 06:02:43 <gmaxwell> BTCOxygen: yea, thats a bad thing to do on a couple counts.