1 2013-02-23 00:20:00 <petertodd> is there any way to get bitcoin to rebroadcast a found block? I'm testing something on testnet and found a block with my node disconnected from the rest of the network
2 2013-02-23 00:22:12 <CodeShark> hah
3 2013-02-23 00:23:14 <CodeShark> I know of several ways to get that to happen - but none that will work quickly enough for your block to matter
4 2013-02-23 00:23:39 <petertodd> never mind, I found another block so I'm good
5 2013-02-23 00:23:48 <petertodd> (5 block re-org there)
6 2013-02-23 00:27:45 <CodeShark> bitcoind doesn't queue up found blocks to send when a connection is made?
7 2013-02-23 00:35:23 <petertodd> doesn't seem too
8 2013-02-23 00:35:55 <petertodd> I restarted my node, and the block never got out until the next was found
9 2013-02-23 00:39:46 <CodeShark> hmm, sounds like a bug to me
10 2013-02-23 00:40:07 <CodeShark> albeit not one that probably arises very often in practice
11 2013-02-23 00:40:45 <petertodd> Ha, yeah not at all.
12 2013-02-23 00:52:26 <gmaxwell> CodeShark: most of my thinking has been around the topology of validators, ??? users are at the whim of their validators. And whatever opinion I have on such a model, at least I think I and anyone else would understand the basic consequences of it.
13 2013-02-23 01:33:40 <gmaxwell> Just a heads up: People are passing out wallet stealers and trojans in bitcoin channels again. I advise against following any links given here unless they are from people you know and trust. If you don't know and trust anyone here, don't follow any links. No matter who gives you a link here, don't run any executables.
14 2013-02-23 02:21:23 <muhoo> ACTION reads links in w3m :-)
15 2013-02-23 02:24:58 <gmaxwell> I need to figure out how to get valgrind working in the selinux sandbox... so I can have kvm -> selinuxsandbox -> valgrind -> links for browsing.
16 2013-02-23 02:30:29 <andytoshi> i can't get a second tty because pamd is missing some selinux rule, so i run without selinux
17 2013-02-23 02:30:35 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, you wouldn't happen to know the average number of transactions/block would you
18 2013-02-23 02:30:39 <andytoshi> my first tty auto-logins as root, so i can't use that one..
19 2013-02-23 02:30:44 <andytoshi> security!
20 2013-02-23 02:30:51 <phantomcircuit> i tried querying blockexplorer for it but it never returns heh
21 2013-02-23 02:31:16 <gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: see the shell oneline in scrollback.
22 2013-02-23 02:31:24 <gmaxwell> but remove the getrawtransaction from it.
23 2013-02-23 02:31:34 <phantomcircuit> wat
24 2013-02-23 02:31:37 <gmaxwell> and subtract one..
25 2013-02-23 02:31:59 <gmaxwell> 07:23 < gmaxwell> (for i in {222552..222542} ; do ./bitcoind getblock `./bitcoind getblockhash $i` | grep ' "' | cut -d'"' -f2 ; done) | xargs -n1 -iblah ./bitcoind getrawtransaction blah | awk '{aa+=length($0)/2} END {print aa/NR}'
26 2013-02-23 02:31:59 <gmaxwell> lazy kids these days
27 2013-02-23 02:32:27 <gmaxwell> 07:23 < gmaxwell> (for i in {222552..222542} ; do ./bitcoind getblock `./bitcoind getblockhash $i` | grep ' "' | cut -d'"' -f2 ; done) | wc -l and then subtract 10. change the range as you wish.
28 2013-02-23 03:56:54 <Luke-Jr> http://bitcointroll.org/?topic=78192.msg1552015#msg1552015 <-- BFGMiner 3.0 alpha1, please help test
29 2013-02-23 04:27:22 <jgarzik> Luke-Jr: how do you support BFL? Did they publish a chip spec?
30 2013-02-23 04:27:42 <Luke-Jr> jgarzik: yes, they did
31 2013-02-23 04:30:13 <Luke-Jr> https://forums.butterflylabs.com/attachments/announcements/488d1360098512-bitforce-sc-communication-protocol-draft-revision-2-butterlylabs_bitforce_rev2.1.0_preliminary.pdf
32 2013-02-23 04:31:10 <Luke-Jr> jgarzik: I also work with them for clarifications; BFGMiner will be shipping on the MiniRig SC's embedded Nexus7 phone
33 2013-02-23 04:57:52 <gmaxwell> OH MY GOD.
34 2013-02-23 04:58:01 <gmaxwell> BEST REASON FOR TESTNET EVER!!!!
35 2013-02-23 04:58:17 <gmaxwell> everyone spin up a testnet3 node on your *NIX desktops stat!
36 2013-02-23 04:58:47 <gmaxwell> This will not let you down! load up testnet now if you're not already running a node.
37 2013-02-23 05:00:03 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: does it have to be Qt?
38 2013-02-23 05:00:08 <gmaxwell> no.. cli.
39 2013-02-23 05:00:11 <gmaxwell> bitcoind is good.
40 2013-02-23 05:00:24 <Luke-Jr> TNIAB work? <.<
41 2013-02-23 05:00:35 <gmaxwell> no. needs to be on the network.
42 2013-02-23 05:00:45 <Luke-Jr> my TNIAB seems to have 9 connections, so I think it is
43 2013-02-23 05:00:46 <Luke-Jr> <.<
44 2013-02-23 05:01:35 <gmaxwell> ?
45 2013-02-23 05:01:35 <gmaxwell> "blocks" : 54528,
46 2013-02-23 05:02:07 <Luke-Jr> yes
47 2013-02-23 05:03:00 <gmaxwell> bitcoind getrawtransaction 73e64e38faea386c88a578fd1919bcdba3d0b3af7b6302bf6ee1b423dc4e4333 | xxd -r -p | play -tul -
48 2013-02-23 05:03:00 <gmaxwell> plug in speakers
49 2013-02-23 05:03:50 <andytoshi> height 7885..
50 2013-02-23 05:04:04 <andytoshi> 14000..
51 2013-02-23 05:04:45 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: awesome
52 2013-02-23 05:04:48 <andytoshi> 2800..
53 2013-02-23 05:05:03 <petertodd> Luke-Jr: I'm working on the other half as we speak.
54 2013-02-23 05:05:17 <andytoshi> 35000..
55 2013-02-23 05:05:23 <Luke-Jr> ACTION glares at petertodd if he makes a bitcoin-compatible audio uploader
56 2013-02-23 05:05:39 <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: it's unrealistic for the main net, ... this is a 1mb transaction.
57 2013-02-23 05:06:22 <petertodd> I'm kinda annoyed I screwed up and was 17 bytes short for the whole block, but I also got another perfect 1MB block in a bit earlier tonight.
58 2013-02-23 05:06:37 <andytoshi> 54506..
59 2013-02-23 05:06:41 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: I'm tempted. Very tempted.
60 2013-02-23 05:07:09 <petertodd> Luke-Jr: So long as you put it all in one scriptPubKey, and you have > 10,000 bytes of audio, it is a prunable transation!
61 2013-02-23 05:07:23 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: think I could get away with it?
62 2013-02-23 05:07:41 <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: no way. lol
63 2013-02-23 05:07:48 <Luke-Jr> <.<
64 2013-02-23 05:07:49 <andytoshi> hahaha, wonderful
65 2013-02-23 05:08:10 <Luke-Jr> what codec is this?
66 2013-02-23 05:08:21 <Luke-Jr> maybe I can make it fit in a normal txn and get some other miner to do it
67 2013-02-23 05:08:25 <andytoshi> "u-law"
68 2013-02-23 05:08:30 <Luke-Jr> wtf, uncompressed?
69 2013-02-23 05:08:42 <Luke-Jr> ACTION ponders how to make it Windows-friendly
70 2013-02-23 05:08:56 <gmaxwell> using ulaw makes things a lot easier, because the samples are 1 byte.
71 2013-02-23 05:09:14 <Luke-Jr> I don't see how that makes it easier.. <.<
72 2013-02-23 05:09:18 <petertodd> Luke-Jr: I'd pay to see eligius mine that block
73 2013-02-23 05:09:26 <petertodd> (and give you my code)
74 2013-02-23 05:09:36 <Luke-Jr> petertodd: but gmaxwell says I couldn't get away with that
75 2013-02-23 05:09:40 <gmaxwell> opus or vorbis would have worked too, since libogg will capture anywhere in a stream of bytes, but .. because that would result in files small enough to put in bitcoin, uhh, I wouldn't have suggested it.
76 2013-02-23 05:09:43 <andytoshi> somebody should spend to a scripthash of it..
77 2013-02-23 05:09:56 <petertodd> andytoshi: you're terrible
78 2013-02-23 05:10:05 <Luke-Jr> lol
79 2013-02-23 05:10:08 <gmaxwell> you could never mine the spend.
80 2013-02-23 05:10:08 <petertodd> Unfortunately scripts > 10,000 bytes aren't spendable
81 2013-02-23 05:10:27 <Luke-Jr> just do a password
82 2013-02-23 05:10:41 <Luke-Jr> OP_HASH160 <hash> OP_EQUALS OP_NOP
83 2013-02-23 05:10:52 <Luke-Jr> but first let's figure out a way to make it decode on Windows
84 2013-02-23 05:10:53 <petertodd> AND PART 2!!! d85af546147ff78dfb06e9469ddfc84adc3ce00cda54db8d65b7617ff2b7661a
85 2013-02-23 05:11:13 <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: if you have sox and cygwin you should be able to do it the same way.
86 2013-02-23 05:11:35 <Luke-Jr> most Windows users don't.
87 2013-02-23 05:11:57 <gmaxwell> (./bitcoind getrawtransaction 73e64e38faea386c88a578fd1919bcdba3d0b3af7b6302bf6ee1b423dc4e4333 ; ./bitcoind getrawtransaction d85af546147ff78dfb06e9469ddfc84adc3ce00cda54db8d65b7617ff2b7661a) | xxd -r -p | play -tul -
88 2013-02-23 05:12:01 <gmaxwell> shoudl work
89 2013-02-23 05:12:48 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: can we add a bitcoind -xxd option?
90 2013-02-23 05:13:15 <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: make a python bitcoin rpc client?
91 2013-02-23 05:13:28 <Luke-Jr> most Windows users don't have Python either
92 2013-02-23 05:13:34 <petertodd> I should post in the forums about how the block size now needs to be exactly 1.8MiB...
93 2013-02-23 05:13:54 <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: meh, then write a little C program.
94 2013-02-23 05:14:04 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: then I cna just embed the audio and it's no fun
95 2013-02-23 05:14:09 <gmaxwell> Yea my above commandline plays the whole thing with a little click.
96 2013-02-23 05:14:27 <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: who says it only has one file in it? ... maybe we found a way to get people to use testnet. :P
97 2013-02-23 05:15:18 <petertodd> Yeah, checkout block 54512, I encrypted a super-secret file in the second transaction with a one-time-pad!
98 2013-02-23 05:15:36 <gmaxwell> petertodd: lol.
99 2013-02-23 05:15:44 <Luke-Jr> strings ~/.bitcoin/blk0001.dat | grep -i atheist
100 2013-02-23 05:15:48 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: ever see that? ^
101 2013-02-23 05:16:45 <gmaxwell> lol
102 2013-02-23 05:17:22 <andytoshi> in ~/.bitcoin/blocks/blk00003.dat for me
103 2013-02-23 05:18:18 <andytoshi> wow, there's a lot of stuff in that one..
104 2013-02-23 05:19:47 <Luke-Jr> including the famous "Stack is innocent"?
105 2013-02-23 05:20:29 <petertodd> I'm gonna regret this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=146197.msg1552145#msg1552145
106 2013-02-23 05:20:42 <andytoshi> nope, but a lot of prayers and ascii bernankes
107 2013-02-23 05:20:59 <Luke-Jr> lol
108 2013-02-23 05:21:07 <Luke-Jr> hmm
109 2013-02-23 05:21:15 <Luke-Jr> I wonder if anyone here is too new to get "Stack is innocent" <.<
110 2013-02-23 05:21:22 <petertodd> ACTION raises hand
111 2013-02-23 05:21:41 <andytoshi> Stack is innocent is in blk00006.dat
112 2013-02-23 05:22:08 <Luke-Jr> petertodd: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2148561/
113 2013-02-23 05:22:23 <andytoshi> ohh, that's right
114 2013-02-23 05:22:39 <andytoshi> i got my IRC nick during that episode, was 'andyroo' before
115 2013-02-23 05:22:50 <Luke-Jr> lol
116 2013-02-23 05:23:04 <andytoshi> but somebody was suggesting we all be toshis in case people came on IRC looking for Mr. Bitcoin
117 2013-02-23 05:23:49 <petertodd> Luke-Jr: I wonder if I can compress that down to 1MiB...
118 2013-02-23 05:23:56 <Luke-Jr> petertodd: use vorbis
119 2013-02-23 05:24:04 <Luke-Jr> oggplay
120 2013-02-23 05:24:14 <Luke-Jr> hmm
121 2013-02-23 05:24:15 <petertodd> It's too bad we don't have an expert at, I dunno, codecs or something.
122 2013-02-23 05:24:16 <Luke-Jr> no oggplay
123 2013-02-23 05:24:25 <Luke-Jr> ACTION keeps silent
124 2013-02-23 05:24:31 <petertodd> :P
125 2013-02-23 05:35:37 <gmaxwell> yea, don't use vorbis. the result is too small. :P
126 2013-02-23 05:35:37 <petertodd> cat ~/.bitcoin/testnet3/blocks/blk00000.dat | play -tul -
127 2013-02-23 05:35:55 <petertodd> it's interesting how you can tell when people have been actually using testnet by the sound
128 2013-02-23 05:36:16 <petertodd> surprisingly soothing, a lot of low frequency components, probably from the zero'd fields in coinbases
129 2013-02-23 05:36:28 <petertodd> how small?
130 2013-02-23 05:36:32 <petertodd> mainnet small? :P
131 2013-02-23 05:36:36 <gmaxwell> hush
132 2013-02-23 05:36:48 <Diablo-D3> oh christ
133 2013-02-23 05:36:55 <Diablo-D3> what happens on the main net
134 2013-02-23 05:36:59 <Diablo-D3> when you get to SD
135 2013-02-23 05:37:04 <petertodd> (keeping data out of the blockchain is a serious, and I think good, argument for keeping block sizes small)
136 2013-02-23 05:37:35 <petertodd> Diablo-D3: lol, it'll be a few hours of listening though...
137 2013-02-23 05:38:03 <gmaxwell> opus would be better??? 8kbit/sec .. get 16 minutes of speech into 1mb.
138 2013-02-23 05:38:09 <andytoshi> petertodd: i wouldn't say soothing, more like frightening
139 2013-02-23 05:38:16 <andytoshi> it sounds like it's trying to wake up
140 2013-02-23 05:38:33 <gmaxwell> Obviously alice's restaurant would be the obvious thing to insert.
141 2013-02-23 05:38:33 <petertodd> andytoshi: depends what music you listen too; I like Autechre myself
142 2013-02-23 05:41:22 <Diablo-D3> * several hours later *
143 2013-02-23 05:41:31 <Luke-Jr> ACTION keeps playing Rickroll over and over
144 2013-02-23 05:42:49 <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: lol.
145 2013-02-23 05:43:00 <gmaxwell> ACTION too
146 2013-02-23 05:43:08 <andytoshi> i should setup a blocknotify to play these out loud
147 2013-02-23 05:43:14 <andytoshi> then if you guys ever need me, you'll know how to call
148 2013-02-23 05:43:16 <Diablo-D3> (sd starts saturating the chain, the fourth movement to beethoven's 9th symphony is heard)
149 2013-02-23 05:43:30 <gmaxwell> testnet phone
150 2013-02-23 05:43:37 <gmaxwell> world most inefficient phone system
151 2013-02-23 05:43:44 <Luke-Jr> not sure why people hate rickroll music so much
152 2013-02-23 05:43:53 <petertodd> I'm starting to like it
153 2013-02-23 05:43:55 <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: you'll know after you turn it off.
154 2013-02-23 05:43:55 <petertodd> catchy
155 2013-02-23 05:44:07 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: ?
156 2013-02-23 05:44:12 <gmaxwell> 22:43 < petertodd> catchy
157 2013-02-23 05:44:15 <Luke-Jr> I didn't know the last 100 times I turned it off
158 2013-02-23 05:44:19 <gmaxwell> weird.
159 2013-02-23 05:44:36 <Luke-Jr> catchy = don't like? O.o
160 2013-02-23 05:45:06 <Luke-Jr> funny thing is, this music sounds nearly identical to that used in the opening theme for a crazy anime called Battle Programmer Shirase
161 2013-02-23 05:45:08 <Luke-Jr> <.<
162 2013-02-23 05:45:21 <petertodd> "Battle Programmer"?!
163 2013-02-23 05:45:30 <Luke-Jr> yes, it's about a computer programmer -.-
164 2013-02-23 05:45:43 <Luke-Jr> who's fighting crackers I think
165 2013-02-23 05:45:47 <Luke-Jr> I forget, it's been forever
166 2013-02-23 05:46:27 <petertodd> sounds like quality tv
167 2013-02-23 05:46:30 <Luke-Jr> lol
168 2013-02-23 05:46:46 <Diablo-D3> its an old anime
169 2013-02-23 05:46:48 <Diablo-D3> like, late 80s
170 2013-02-23 05:46:48 <Luke-Jr> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9IejLR8p7s
171 2013-02-23 05:47:13 <Luke-Jr> maybe not so identical, listening to this again
172 2013-02-23 05:47:31 <petertodd> Luke-Jr: see, rick is infecting your brain
173 2013-02-23 05:47:35 <Luke-Jr> lol
174 2013-02-23 05:47:42 <Luke-Jr> ah, this part is identical-sounding
175 2013-02-23 05:47:45 <Luke-Jr> about 50 seconds in
176 2013-02-23 05:47:51 <Diablo-D3> GODDAMNIT
177 2013-02-23 05:47:57 <Diablo-D3> IVE JUST BEEN RICKROLLED BY JAPAN
178 2013-02-23 05:48:28 <Luke-Jr> it would be funny if they intended it to sound rickrollish
179 2013-02-23 05:48:37 <petertodd> no, rick ashley BSP'd you
180 2013-02-23 05:49:06 <Luke-Jr> BSP = BS&P?
181 2013-02-23 05:49:22 <Diablo-D3> actually, thats not late 80s
182 2013-02-23 05:49:25 <Diablo-D3> thats more mid 90s
183 2013-02-23 05:49:39 <petertodd> s/BSP/BPS/
184 2013-02-23 05:49:41 <Diablo-D3> actually more late 90s
185 2013-02-23 05:50:19 <Diablo-D3> Luke-Jr: what year did this come out
186 2013-02-23 05:50:30 <Diablo-D3> the animation of the op is too shitty to be early or mid 00s
187 2013-02-23 05:50:43 <Diablo-D3> but the style they used is too late to be early 90s
188 2013-02-23 05:50:52 <Luke-Jr> Battle Programmer Shirase (BPS ???????????????????????????????????? B??p??esu Batoru Puroguram?? Shirase?) is an anime TV series aired in 2003 and produced by AIC.
189 2013-02-23 05:50:59 <Diablo-D3> wow wtf
190 2013-02-23 05:51:04 <Diablo-D3> they should be ashamed of themselves
191 2013-02-23 05:51:08 <Diablo-D3> that is one low budget title
192 2013-02-23 05:51:12 <Luke-Jr> lol
193 2013-02-23 05:51:17 <Luke-Jr> I think the episodes were 5 minutes?
194 2013-02-23 05:51:23 <Diablo-D3> Ive never seen it
195 2013-02-23 05:51:34 <Luke-Jr> no, 11
196 2013-02-23 05:51:46 <Luke-Jr> 11 mins * 15 eps
197 2013-02-23 05:52:34 <petertodd> so... just over two star trek episodes
198 2013-02-23 05:52:44 <Luke-Jr> lol
199 2013-02-23 05:52:55 <Diablo-D3> thats like, first season of ah my goddess bad
200 2013-02-23 05:53:17 <Diablo-D3> "but diablo, whats so bad with the first season of ah my goddess?"
201 2013-02-23 05:53:42 <Diablo-D3> go watch the second one. one year apart really, 10 years apart in quality.
202 2013-02-23 05:54:25 <Luke-Jr> Diablo-D3: are you watching Psycho-Pass?
203 2013-02-23 05:54:32 <Diablo-D3> no
204 2013-02-23 05:54:40 <Diablo-D3> Luke-Jr: I like never watch new anime
205 2013-02-23 05:54:43 <Luke-Jr> o
206 2013-02-23 05:54:44 <Diablo-D3> unless its really really good
207 2013-02-23 05:54:53 <Diablo-D3> or its kamen rider
208 2013-02-23 05:54:53 <Luke-Jr> Psycho-Pass is the best airing now
209 2013-02-23 05:55:05 <Luke-Jr> which sadly isn't saying too much :/
210 2013-02-23 05:55:06 <Diablo-D3> I dont really care for /a/ animes really
211 2013-02-23 05:55:36 <Diablo-D3> now, if it had giant robots and shit blowing up and manly men saving the world? then Id watch it
212 2013-02-23 05:56:16 <andytoshi> about 19:15 into testnet, it's starting to vary more
213 2013-02-23 05:56:48 <Luke-Jr> Diablo-D3: instead, Psycho-Pass has a network of dismembered brains that judge society with brain scanners, in lieu of courts and laws
214 2013-02-23 05:57:19 <Luke-Jr> except for the worst criminals; instead, it has its human servants catch those so it can integrate them into itself
215 2013-02-23 05:57:30 <Diablo-D3> Luke-Jr: huh
216 2013-02-23 05:57:33 <Diablo-D3> I like the plot
217 2013-02-23 05:57:40 <Diablo-D3> Ill have to remember that for later
218 2013-02-23 05:57:45 <Luke-Jr> Diablo-D3: well then you shouldn't have asked me to spoil it!
219 2013-02-23 05:57:47 <Diablo-D3> ALTHOUGH MY QUEUE IS LIKE OVER 9000 THINGS
220 2013-02-23 05:57:47 <Luke-Jr> <.<
221 2013-02-23 05:58:01 <Diablo-D3> seriously, who needs gigabit
222 2013-02-23 05:58:09 <Diablo-D3> Im already adding new shit to watch faster than I watch it
223 2013-02-23 05:58:23 <Luke-Jr> Diablo-D3: the hard part is finding *quality* stuff
224 2013-02-23 05:58:32 <petertodd> Diablo-D3: tvtropes.com <- way more efficient than primary sources
225 2013-02-23 05:58:46 <gmaxwell> yea, why would you watch stuff? reading is faster.
226 2013-02-23 05:58:54 <Diablo-D3> petertodd: I have that domain in /etc/hosts as 127.0.0.1 for safety reasons
227 2013-02-23 05:59:02 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: but I already read all the good books :<
228 2013-02-23 05:59:34 <gmaxwell> so read the bad ones next?
229 2013-02-23 05:59:48 <Luke-Jr> :/
230 2013-02-23 06:00:04 <petertodd> petertodd: Actually, so do I - I hire assistants to read it for me and give me summaries. (you're talking to one of my assistants right now)
231 2013-02-23 06:01:40 <Diablo-D3> btw
232 2013-02-23 06:01:43 <Diablo-D3> best android app
233 2013-02-23 06:01:45 <Diablo-D3> wifi analyzer
234 2013-02-23 06:03:29 <petertodd> ACTION glares at iphone
235 2013-02-23 06:03:35 <Luke-Jr> petertodd: talking to yourself, eh?
236 2013-02-23 06:04:08 <Luke-Jr> [07:03:09] <osirisx11> does anyone know of any online btc unit converters (btc/mBTC/uBTC)?
237 2013-02-23 06:04:09 <Luke-Jr> wtf
238 2013-02-23 06:04:21 <petertodd> Luke-Jr: yeah, there have been mistakes made...
239 2013-02-23 06:04:33 <petertodd> wow...
240 2013-02-23 06:04:47 <gmaxwell> Must be american.
241 2013-02-23 06:05:02 <Luke-Jr> this is why we need tonal ?
242 2013-02-23 06:05:17 <petertodd> this is why we need elementary school
243 2013-02-23 06:05:42 <gmaxwell> petertodd: in america I think we cover that in grad school.
244 2013-02-23 06:06:03 <Luke-Jr> lol
245 2013-02-23 06:06:45 <gmaxwell> (they'd move it to highschool, but that would detract from time spent training for the nobody-gets-ahead standardized tests, which apparently don't test multiplying by 10)
246 2013-02-23 06:07:01 <petertodd> heh... we had interns this summer... our forth year electrical engineering student struggled to analyze a basic op-amp circuit
247 2013-02-23 06:08:14 <gmaxwell> I'm sure if you used exactly the formalism their class used they'd have done fine.
248 2013-02-23 06:08:17 <andytoshi> 30:15, a lot of chatter, some beeping noises, then back to static
249 2013-02-23 06:08:46 <petertodd> exactly... my boss said he wasn't half bad in the interview, and his grades were far better than mine
250 2013-02-23 06:08:54 <gmaxwell> aww, I didn't get that far, aborted it to play 73e64e38faea38 for my girlfriend.
251 2013-02-23 06:09:15 <andytoshi> gmaxwell: it's remarkable how much formal crap physics students can do without understanding any of it
252 2013-02-23 06:09:39 <Luke-Jr> andytoshi: are you streaming your office mic into testnet? -.-
253 2013-02-23 06:10:14 <andytoshi> i'm in an undergraduate physics course now, and the course material is incoherent nonsense -- but when i ask the other students how to make sense of it, they give me a bunch of symbol-shuffling rules
254 2013-02-23 06:10:19 <gmaxwell> petertodd: you've read the feynman books, right?
255 2013-02-23 06:10:24 <andytoshi> Luke-Jr: i'm streaming testnet out my laptop speakers
256 2013-02-23 06:10:37 <Luke-Jr> i c
257 2013-02-23 06:10:42 <petertodd> er... I've got them by my desk at work, but haven't read enough of them
258 2013-02-23 06:11:03 <andytoshi> ...then i ask where the rules come from, or even to give me some sort of actual axiomatic system to work with
259 2013-02-23 06:11:15 <gmaxwell> I was going to refer to this story: http://calteches.library.caltech.edu/46/2/LatinAmerica.htm but also going to insist you go get them now if you've not read them.
260 2013-02-23 06:11:31 <petertodd> the only physics courses I've actually done is the first year, although I had to do a bunch of basic electromagnetics crap to design some transformers
261 2013-02-23 06:11:51 <andytoshi> and they can't do it, they don't even know what they're writing
262 2013-02-23 06:11:54 <petertodd> ah, I've read that essay
263 2013-02-23 06:11:57 <petertodd> very good
264 2013-02-23 06:12:31 <gmaxwell> I suspect we've crept a little more like that in the US since the 60s, at least for undergrad education.
265 2013-02-23 06:12:53 <petertodd> I'd believe it
266 2013-02-23 06:13:39 <petertodd> first and second year math was a big eye opener for me, I was just barely passing the courses, but a big chunk of the students thought I was the smartest guy in the class soley because I could ask questions on the fly, frightening
267 2013-02-23 06:14:00 <Luke-Jr> lol
268 2013-02-23 06:14:21 <andytoshi> petertodd: i remember exactly that from a math analysis course
269 2013-02-23 06:14:37 <petertodd> nice, yeah, this was analysis for me
270 2013-02-23 06:14:40 <andytoshi> there were three of us who would ask questions and make jokes
271 2013-02-23 06:14:57 <petertodd> exactly!
272 2013-02-23 06:15:09 <gmaxwell> we can measure memorization and password guessing, but its harder to measure learning... so we measure what we can instead of what we should, then optimize for what we measure...
273 2013-02-23 06:15:39 <andytoshi> gmaxwell: i suppose that's what it is, since it doesn't happen outside of undergraduate courses
274 2013-02-23 06:15:43 <andytoshi> at least, IME
275 2013-02-23 06:16:16 <petertodd> for all the crap art schools get, the fact that it's irrelevant nonsense means the people who actually get it do really, really well and turn into solid self learners
276 2013-02-23 06:16:31 <gmaxwell> well it's less true the further you get from the cattle cars of people taking classes to get the grade and into groups of people with real interest in the subject matter.
277 2013-02-23 06:16:35 <petertodd> just too bad that leave 99% with burger-flipping jobs
278 2013-02-23 06:17:06 <petertodd> don't think most of the people in art schools have an interest in the subject matter :P
279 2013-02-23 06:17:22 <petertodd> it's just really easy to be someone who *does*
280 2013-02-23 06:17:24 <gmaxwell> plenty of people leave engineering school for burger-flipping jobs??? at least the art school people have lower debt on average (I hope?)
281 2013-02-23 06:17:50 <petertodd> in canada tuitions are both fairly cheap, and fairly consistent for whatever field
282 2013-02-23 06:18:17 <petertodd> we have maybe 2x differences at most, because for some fields the regulation is lifted a bit
283 2013-02-23 06:18:28 <gmaxwell> and if they raise them??? out with the pots and pans? :)
284 2013-02-23 06:18:33 <Luke-Jr> groups of people with real interest in the subject matter <-- does this exist in unis anymore? O.o
285 2013-02-23 06:18:34 <petertodd> yup
286 2013-02-23 06:18:50 <andytoshi> Luke-Jr: gmaxwell: yes to both :P
287 2013-02-23 06:18:56 <petertodd> for all the flack the quebecers got, the reality is those students did get what they wanted
288 2013-02-23 06:19:18 <andytoshi> Luke-Jr: there's really not many, and they tend not to participate in cattle-car courses
289 2013-02-23 06:19:36 <gmaxwell> Yep! though its still pretty scarry, I'm surprised at how US-style conservative the canadian government has become.
290 2013-02-23 06:19:52 <Luke-Jr> US-style conservative = neocon?
291 2013-02-23 06:19:58 <andytoshi> yeah, i was hoping it would be conservative-style conservative :(
292 2013-02-23 06:20:04 <petertodd> not a hope
293 2013-02-23 06:20:14 <petertodd> I don't think conservative-style conservative really exists anymore
294 2013-02-23 06:20:17 <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: yes, after a fashion.
295 2013-02-23 06:20:24 <Luke-Jr> petertodd: it doesn't, that'd be a real monarchy
296 2013-02-23 06:20:35 <petertodd> heh, well there is that
297 2013-02-23 06:20:47 <Luke-Jr> afaik the only "monarchies" left are facades
298 2013-02-23 06:21:15 <jgarzik> think Middle East
299 2013-02-23 06:21:21 <petertodd> the UK is a really interesting example, because of the issues with their monarchy is the money they get from the state really is owed to them
300 2013-02-23 06:21:58 <petertodd> jgarzik: I'm waiting for their oil to run out...
301 2013-02-23 06:22:15 <andytoshi> 45:20 a lot of cutting out, then silence..
302 2013-02-23 06:22:46 <petertodd> andytoshi: ooh, maybe my megabytes of \\xff's?
303 2013-02-23 06:23:10 <andytoshi> not sure, but i'm just over 22Mb in
304 2013-02-23 06:23:30 <petertodd> hmm... maybe a bit early
305 2013-02-23 06:23:35 <petertodd> or someone else had the same idea
306 2013-02-23 06:24:51 <andytoshi> 48:00, 23Mb, still silent, some blips here and there
307 2013-02-23 06:25:32 <gmaxwell> you're done
308 2013-02-23 06:25:40 <gmaxwell> perhaps?
309 2013-02-23 06:25:51 <petertodd> testnet3 is up to 32mb
310 2013-02-23 06:25:54 <gmaxwell> the file is preallocated.. so there is a wad of zeros at the end.
311 2013-02-23 06:26:09 <petertodd> oh, true, how much prealloc?
312 2013-02-23 06:26:20 <petertodd> andytoshi: you heard rick yet>?
313 2013-02-23 06:26:24 <andytoshi> oh, but i didn't hear rick
314 2013-02-23 06:26:35 <gmaxwell> scratch that!
315 2013-02-23 06:26:42 <petertodd> probably my few mb of non-rick testing
316 2013-02-23 06:27:03 <andytoshi> i was hoping he'd show up around 30 minutes in, so i could distribute the file along with the "cover your eyes with ping pong balls and play static for half an hour and you'll trip" thing
317 2013-02-23 06:27:13 <andytoshi> there's just been a couple blips, so i'm not done
318 2013-02-23 06:27:49 <petertodd> (I meant to not let those blocks get onto the network, but forgot to firewall the ipv6 side of things and found that information is hard to stifle...)
319 2013-02-23 06:28:00 <andytoshi> haha
320 2013-02-23 06:28:02 <gmaxwell> lol
321 2013-02-23 06:28:17 <gmaxwell> you bloat blocks want to be free!
322 2013-02-23 06:28:24 <petertodd> yeah...
323 2013-02-23 06:28:31 <andytoshi> in a way, you're the real victim then
324 2013-02-23 06:28:50 <petertodd> don't give me any ideas...
325 2013-02-23 06:28:58 <petertodd> (though I'd be real sad if anything happened to rick)
326 2013-02-23 06:29:30 <petertodd> hmm... pullreq for a testnet checkpoint
327 2013-02-23 06:30:38 <gmaxwell> petertodd: using a coinbase was a mistake
328 2013-02-23 06:30:51 <gmaxwell> if you used a regular txn and he got reorged out??? nodes would put him back in
329 2013-02-23 06:30:57 <petertodd> yeah, I know, they won't get put back in
330 2013-02-23 06:31:02 <petertodd> but I still have the code :P
331 2013-02-23 06:31:04 <andytoshi> 54:15 rick starts
332 2013-02-23 06:31:12 <petertodd> lol
333 2013-02-23 06:31:21 <andytoshi> it was all silence, then a short burst, then rick
334 2013-02-23 06:31:47 <gmaxwell> ACTION wonders if the alt-ideas pages needs "serializations which are musically pleasing"
335 2013-02-23 06:33:26 <petertodd> as an artist, I second your idea
336 2013-02-23 06:33:57 <andytoshi> as a stereo-bicyle enthusiast, i third it
337 2013-02-23 06:34:08 <gmaxwell> I low cows.
338 2013-02-23 06:34:10 <gmaxwell> er like
339 2013-02-23 06:35:39 <andytoshi> all silence after rick, i think it's really over now
340 2013-02-23 06:35:53 <petertodd> that was a valient effort
341 2013-02-23 06:35:55 <andytoshi> i'm 28.3mb in, can't imagine the remaining 4mb actually has content
342 2013-02-23 06:35:59 <andytoshi> thx
343 2013-02-23 06:36:05 <andytoshi> :P
344 2013-02-23 06:36:46 <andytoshi> ACTION hits ctrl-c after exactly 60 minutes of blockchain techno
345 2013-02-23 06:37:53 <andytoshi> ACTION turns on the bitcoin chain and goes to bed
346 2013-02-23 07:56:36 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: what if we craft a rickroll txn such that it gets relayed, but not mined? :P
347 2013-02-23 07:56:46 <Luke-Jr> then getrawtransaction works without bloating
348 2013-02-23 08:07:45 <ThomasV> is there a bitcoind command that returns the public key for a wallet address?
349 2013-02-23 08:08:00 <Luke-Jr> not afai
350 2013-02-23 08:08:01 <Luke-Jr> k
351 2013-02-23 08:08:47 <ThomasV> that's a pity, because createmultisig needs pubkeys
352 2013-02-23 08:09:01 <Luke-Jr> ACTION facepalms
353 2013-02-23 08:09:20 <Luke-Jr> maybe I'm wrong
354 2013-02-23 08:09:22 <ThomasV> Luke-Jr: huh, did I get something wrong?
355 2013-02-23 08:09:28 <Luke-Jr> that would be a stupid oversight
356 2013-02-23 08:10:04 <Luke-Jr> ThomasV: let's hope one of us is wrong ;)
357 2013-02-23 08:10:13 <sipa> validateaddress
358 2013-02-23 08:10:28 <ThomasV> sipa: thanks
359 2013-02-23 08:13:23 <ThomasV> sipa: since you're here, another question. why does signrawtransaction always need redeemScript, even if the tx is already partially signed?
360 2013-02-23 08:14:10 <ThomasV> I'm cloning these commands into electrum, and trying to use as much as possible the same syntax
361 2013-02-23 10:23:30 <TD> sigh
362 2013-02-23 10:23:39 <TD> i hate the stupid block chain download protocol
363 2013-02-23 12:44:05 <treb> hi, i'm on version 0.7 and here's my ulimits: http://pastebin.com/dveuU8Ap
364 2013-02-23 12:44:27 <treb> my bitcoind did crash twice now, at least once with errors reported in memory allocation
365 2013-02-23 12:44:33 <treb> do you see anything i may need to adjust?
366 2013-02-23 12:50:12 <treb> aha, my ulimit -v was 512MB, may be the issue, need to check out
367 2013-02-23 13:27:09 <ottulo> hello, I'm having a problem syncing the blockchain, anyone available?
368 2013-02-23 13:27:33 <SomeoneWeird> whats the problem?
369 2013-02-23 13:28:04 <ottulo> I have bitcoin-qt running on 2 separate computers, neither will sync past block 218275
370 2013-02-23 13:28:23 <ottulo> it's been stuck for a couple days now
371 2013-02-23 13:29:35 <MC1984> debug.log?
372 2013-02-23 13:31:07 <ottulo> seems to have plenty of stuff, nearly 200k lines... I'll upload it somewhere I suppose
373 2013-02-23 13:33:53 <ottulo> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/67651714/debug.log
374 2013-02-23 13:36:36 <MC1984> just look at the end
375 2013-02-23 13:37:32 <SomeoneWeird> ;;errno 10
376 2013-02-23 13:37:32 <SomeoneWeird> ;;errno 104
377 2013-02-23 13:37:33 <gribble> ECHILD (#10): No child processes
378 2013-02-23 13:37:34 <gribble> ECONNRESET (#104): Connection reset by peer
379 2013-02-23 13:37:44 <MC1984> oh fuck my browser just went down like the titanic
380 2013-02-23 13:38:02 <ottulo> aw, thanks to the log file?
381 2013-02-23 13:38:43 <MC1984> accepted connection 192.168.1.1:43027
382 2013-02-23 13:38:43 <MC1984> connected to self at 192.168.1.1:43027, disconnecting