1 2013-02-28 00:00:56 <phantomcircuit> gavinandresen, i suspect most people didn't actually read the annoucement
  2 2013-02-28 00:01:28 <Luke-Jr> 
ACTION didn't even know there was an announcement

  3 2013-02-28 00:01:37 <phantomcircuit> personally i'll be closing my personal mtgox account
  4 2013-02-28 00:01:52 <phantomcircuit> Luke-Jr, coinlab.com/transition
  5 2013-02-28 00:01:58 <phantomcircuit> er
  6 2013-02-28 00:02:00 <phantomcircuit> http://coinlab.com/transition
  7 2013-02-28 00:03:11 <Luke-Jr> hmm, I don't know anything about CoinLab
  8 2013-02-28 00:03:29 <phantomcircuit> Luke-Jr, it's a tihan seale/roger ver venture
  9 2013-02-28 00:03:33 <phantomcircuit> good luck with that
 10 2013-02-28 00:03:55 <Luke-Jr> >_<
 11 2013-02-28 00:04:01 <phantomcircuit> actually i'll leave money in my account so i can be part of the inevitable class action
 12 2013-02-28 00:04:07 <Luke-Jr> that link has Peter's name on it though?
 13 2013-02-28 00:04:14 <gavinandresen> Peter is CEO of coinlab
 14 2013-02-28 00:04:24 <phantomcircuit> Luke-Jr, where do you think he got the money to start it?
 15 2013-02-28 00:04:27 <Luke-Jr> gavinandresen: how is Roger ver involved then?
 16 2013-02-28 00:04:53 <gavinandresen> I dunno, last I heard Tihan and ??? I forget who??? were the coinlab investors.
 17 2013-02-28 00:04:58 <phantomcircuit> http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonmatonis/2012/04/24/coinlab-attracts-500000-in-venture-capital-for-bitcoin-projects/
 18 2013-02-28 00:05:34 <phantomcircuit> i haven't met peter and i dont know anything about him
 19 2013-02-28 00:05:50 <phantomcircuit> that being said anything that tihan or roger is involved with is radioactive
 20 2013-02-28 00:05:51 <gavinandresen> Draper!  That's the forget-who I forgot
 21 2013-02-28 00:06:05 <MC1984> thats a nice ticker
 22 2013-02-28 00:06:11 <gavinandresen> 
ACTION thinks phantomcircuit is just FUD'ding

 23 2013-02-28 00:06:30 <phantomcircuit> gavinandresen, think what you will, but i'm right
 24 2013-02-28 00:06:31 <gavinandresen> ??? but we're off-topic for bitcoin-dev.
 25 2013-02-28 00:06:36 <Luke-Jr> well, the Roger/Matonis/Erik trio at least is actively trying to kill Bitcoin IMO
 26 2013-02-28 00:06:51 <phantomcircuit> gavinandresen, https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:AnuzECK_KUUJ:www.wiwd.uscourts.gov/opinions/pdfs/2003-2005/05-C-368-C-11-04-05.PDF+&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESiQcD99J5hMa0U9H530sa3zxfjnBQS_c02o6OpXi9hJmSk2t_jAjjLc4CaKx4m2Q_w-AuYiCCtqpzmDgKg-6Zoz4uYdBjtgYfETu_2U0kBE1xqoX8p0U0_QqNOkSvhi0uyymMcm&sig=AHIEtbR5tn8MzBOiMmv52OFVAwCu8AZm5A
 27 2013-02-28 00:07:48 <phantomcircuit> he was typo squatting lands end AND selling lands end merchandise
 28 2013-02-28 00:08:05 <gavinandresen> phantomcircuit: ??? so why was his motion to dismiss granted?  wait, no, I don't care, off-topic.....
 29 2013-02-28 00:08:10 <HM> so MtGox has been bought out
 30 2013-02-28 00:08:18 <phantomcircuit> gavinandresen, because he lied to the court and is a shady fuck
 31 2013-02-28 00:08:20 <HM> that's basically what I'm reading in to it
 32 2013-02-28 00:08:29 <phantomcircuit> HM, it only applies to us customers
 33 2013-02-28 00:09:01 <gavinandresen> okey dokey.  I think my years in Silicon Valley made me pretty inured to VC shadiness.
 34 2013-02-28 00:09:04 <HM> yeah
 35 2013-02-28 00:09:21 <HM> it reminds me of a lot of European gambling sites ditching US customers when the US started making it hard for them
 36 2013-02-28 00:09:30 <phantomcircuit> gavinandresen, oh and when it says he was dismissed his company was not
 37 2013-02-28 00:10:57 <HM> So is the exchaing going to be fractured?
 38 2013-02-28 00:11:00 <HM> exchange*
 39 2013-02-28 00:11:24 <HM> i.e. will US depositors continue to be able to exchange directly with those outside of the US ?
 40 2013-02-28 00:13:51 <HM> I don't like it
 41 2013-02-28 00:14:41 <HM> I don't see how it benefits anyone in the US or otherwise
 42 2013-02-28 00:20:28 <discretefx> ;;genrate 700
 43 2013-02-28 00:20:29 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 700.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 3651011.63069, is 0.0964211010839 BTC per day and 0.0040175458785 BTC per hour.
 44 2013-02-28 00:20:37 <phantomcircuit> ;;asks 100
 45 2013-02-28 00:20:39 <gribble> There are currently 54400.029 bitcoins offered at or under 100.0 USD, worth 3155109.42086 USD in total.
 46 2013-02-28 00:20:44 <phantomcircuit> ;;bids 1
 47 2013-02-28 00:20:46 <gribble> There are currently 326527.55 bitcoins demanded at or over 1.0 USD, worth 4111310.71655 USD in total.
 48 2013-02-28 00:20:53 <phantomcircuit> up we go
 49 2013-02-28 00:23:19 <wladston> I have a transaction from yesterday night that still didn't confirm. The transaction has a 0.0006 BTC fee. What could have happened ?
 50 2013-02-28 00:23:23 <wladston> http://blockchain.info/tx/1a45fa12a6584db5bdeb87d48acb38b30418aabcb4d6a845bf8f0ef1acaf0530
 51 2013-02-28 00:28:00 <Quazgaa> Luke-Jr: which one should a person use? git master? i let it default to next-test and it says version .7.99 which seems old maybe
 52 2013-02-28 00:31:46 <Luke-Jr> Quazgaa: generally, most people should use the latest release; so 0.8.0 now
 53 2013-02-28 00:32:14 <Quazgaa> this is why i hate package management, it will be another 3 years before there is an ebuild for .8
 54 2013-02-28 00:32:25 <Quazgaa> so i figured id just install from git
 55 2013-02-28 00:33:40 <Luke-Jr> Quazgaa: 0.8.0 had an ebuild done the day before it was announced..
 56 2013-02-28 00:33:59 <Quazgaa> hmm
 57 2013-02-28 00:34:20 <Quazgaa> maybe this stupid bitcoin overlay is blocking it
 58 2013-02-28 00:34:27 <Quazgaa> is it supposed to be in the overlay or the main deal
 59 2013-02-28 00:34:58 <Luke-Jr> both, but I don't think it's hit the main tree yet
 60 2013-02-28 00:35:08 <Luke-Jr> how is it blocking it?
 61 2013-02-28 00:35:26 <Quazgaa> it was a question not a statement
 62 2013-02-28 00:35:38 <Luke-Jr> the overlay should have 9999* blocked much harder than 0.8.0 ;)
 63 2013-02-28 00:35:43 <Quazgaa> heh
 64 2013-02-28 00:37:21 <Quazgaa> oh hmm
 65 2013-02-28 00:37:28 <Quazgaa> i see it now
 66 2013-02-28 00:37:49 <Quazgaa> was looking with eix but hadnt run eix-update
 67 2013-02-28 00:38:46 <Luke-Jr> Quazgaa: I like eix-sync
 68 2013-02-28 00:39:10 <HM> yaourt has more vowels and is therefore better
 69 2013-02-28 00:39:53 <Quazgaa> Luke-Jr: i shall give it a try :P
 70 2013-02-28 00:40:38 <Quazgaa> i better not need to redownload the blockchain or anything dumb after running this questionable git version
 71 2013-02-28 00:40:40 <Quazgaa> :P
 72 2013-02-28 00:41:06 <MC1984> is there any way to tell what kind of clients are connected to your node and what prptocol options theyre using
 73 2013-02-28 00:41:09 <MC1984> bloom etc
 74 2013-02-28 00:42:44 <gmaxwell> MC1984: getpeerinfo
 75 2013-02-28 00:43:08 <gmaxwell> though no bloomstats there yet, though that would be an obvious feature to add.
 76 2013-02-28 00:43:29 <gmaxwell> MC1984: you should totally add some stat with the size of the bloom filter. That would be a fine my-first-pull-request project. :P
 77 2013-02-28 00:43:37 <gmaxwell> it should be one line of code.
 78 2013-02-28 00:44:18 <MC1984> :(
 79 2013-02-28 00:44:37 <Luke-Jr> sounds like a good idea for 0.8.1
 80 2013-02-28 00:45:12 <gmaxwell> MC1984: come on, man up. You could do it. :P
 81 2013-02-28 00:46:09 <MC1984> i dont even know where to begin
 82 2013-02-28 00:47:45 <MC1984> i hae an idea of what a bloom filter does, but i dont hae the CS or maths background to undrstand it
 83 2013-02-28 00:48:21 <sipa> understanding is not a prerequisite for cooperation!
 84 2013-02-28 00:48:27 <sipa> well, in this case it may help :)
 85 2013-02-28 00:48:57 <MC1984> i dont even know what the "size" of the filter means
 86 2013-02-28 00:49:15 <MC1984> something about false positives
 87 2013-02-28 00:49:35 <HM> MC1984: the Bitcoin Wallet android app displays protocol version of connected peers
 88 2013-02-28 00:49:40 <kuzetsa> eix ... like the gentoo utility? or a different eix?
 89 2013-02-28 00:49:48 <kuzetsa> hi Luke-Jr, sipa :)
 90 2013-02-28 00:50:24 <sipa> MC1984: the size of the filter is just a number of bits
 91 2013-02-28 00:51:00 <sipa> MC1984: it is related to the false positive rate - the higher the number of elements in the filter per bit of data, the higher the false positive rate
 92 2013-02-28 00:54:47 <MC1984> "services" : "00000001",
 93 2013-02-28 00:54:50 <MC1984> wassat
 94 2013-02-28 00:55:04 <sipa> there is currently just one service defined, NODE_NETWORK
 95 2013-02-28 00:55:11 <sipa> which means "full node"
 96 2013-02-28 00:55:17 <sipa> and it has bit 1
 97 2013-02-28 00:55:35 <sipa> the services field is a hex representation of the OR'ing of all service bits
 98 2013-02-28 00:56:19 <MC1984> ah, youve already got stuff in the protocol for identifying different node types
 99 2013-02-28 00:56:35 <sipa> yes
100 2013-02-28 00:56:51 <sipa> SPV nodes send services=00000000
101 2013-02-28 00:56:54 <MC1984> holy shit theres a open debug log button here
102 2013-02-28 00:57:00 <MC1984> no more digging through my home folder!
103 2013-02-28 00:57:02 <sipa> full nodes send services=00000001
104 2013-02-28 00:58:30 <MC1984> is it likely that whn i see service=0 that its bitcoinj on android then
105 2013-02-28 00:58:42 <sipa> just bitcoinj whatsoever
106 2013-02-28 00:59:04 <MC1984> what else uses it? multibit?
107 2013-02-28 00:59:19 <sipa> yes
108 2013-02-28 00:59:25 <sipa> and SD :)
109 2013-02-28 00:59:40 <MC1984> lol
110 2013-02-28 01:00:14 <MC1984> so dice doesnt even maintain a chain?
111 2013-02-28 01:00:28 <sipa> i'm sure (well, i hope...) they have also full nodes running
112 2013-02-28 01:00:47 <sipa> satoshidice should sell vouchers
113 2013-02-28 01:00:52 <sipa> they could call it SD cards
114 2013-02-28 01:00:59 <MC1984> theyve probably got one as a frontend to the network
115 2013-02-28 01:01:05 <MC1984> ive heard thats a popular trick
116 2013-02-28 01:01:21 <sipa> 
ACTION -> zZzZ

117 2013-02-28 01:02:03 <MC1984> gnite
118 2013-02-28 01:02:57 <SomeoneWeird> lol sipa
119 2013-02-28 01:05:35 <gmaxwell> sipa: instead of having hologram stickers like other bitcoin vouchers, the SD cards should be made of nitrocellulose so if the site is unavailable you can just make your money go up in smoke offline.
120 2013-02-28 01:06:00 <Luke-Jr> lol
121 2013-02-28 01:07:08 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: that's a way to make a better dice - sell envelopes that might or might not have cash in them!
122 2013-02-28 01:07:17 <SomeoneWeird> hahaha gmaxwell
123 2013-02-28 01:07:20 <Luke-Jr> and the only way to open is to set it on fire
124 2013-02-28 01:09:41 <HM> you're forgetting about the provably fair bit
125 2013-02-28 01:11:39 <gmaxwell> HM: so are the users.
126 2013-02-28 01:12:13 <gmaxwell> no one actually cares about that. otherwise they'd have stopped using the site after the first unpaid winners happened.
127 2013-02-28 01:12:40 <HM> i didn't realise it had
128 2013-02-28 01:12:47 <Luke-Jr> lol
129 2013-02-28 01:13:13 <gmaxwell> see?
130 2013-02-28 01:13:36 <gmaxwell> HM: when dice was double spent in the past unrelated winners who were paid from the double spend never got paid.
131 2013-02-28 01:14:53 <etotheipi_> hey, is there a reliable, static link that can be used to "get the latest Bitcoin installer"?
132 2013-02-28 01:15:31 <etotheipi_> or do I have to do something creative (like parsing the webpage and trying to figure out the latest link)?
133 2013-02-28 01:15:40 <HM> gmaxwell: i don't play it, i just don't follow these things
134 2013-02-28 01:15:41 <gmaxwell> oh, it broke $33 today.
135 2013-02-28 01:24:31 <jgarzik> all time high
136 2013-02-28 01:24:58 <Luke-Jr> jgarzik: how big (filesize) is the Avalon firmware you were sent?
137 2013-02-28 01:25:15 <jgarzik> -rw-rw-r-- 1 jgarzik jgarzik 3932160 Feb 17 17:43 /g/g/tmp/openwrt-ar71xx-generic-tl-wr703n-v1-squashfs-factory-20130214.bin
138 2013-02-28 01:25:15 <jgarzik> -rw-rw-r-- 1 jgarzik jgarzik 3932160 Feb 25 01:30 /g/g/tmp/openwrt-ar71xx-generic-tl-wr703n-v1-squashfs-factory-20130225.bin
139 2013-02-28 01:25:22 <Luke-Jr> ty
140 2013-02-28 01:29:48 <Nesetalis> so who just moved 20,000 bitcoins in a few hours? o.O
141 2013-02-28 01:29:50 <Nesetalis> suddenly a buy frenzy
142 2013-02-28 01:31:25 <MC1984> gmaxwell did those other winners get reimbursed
143 2013-02-28 01:41:22 <etotheipi_> is there a reliable, static link that can be used to "get the latest Bitcoin installer"?
144 2013-02-28 01:41:52 <Luke-Jr> etotheipi_: like for Electrum? or Armory?
145 2013-02-28 01:42:08 <etotheipi_> Luke-Jr: for Bitcoin-Qt
146 2013-02-28 01:42:41 <Luke-Jr> etotheipi_: check SF RSS?
147 2013-02-28 01:42:45 <etotheipi_> I want to have a direct-download link... but I don't *want* to have to parse the bitcoin.org page and figure out what's the link to the latest version
148 2013-02-28 01:43:43 <Luke-Jr> SF RSS doesn't have that?
149 2013-02-28 01:43:50 <Luke-Jr> bitcoin.org != Bitcoin-Qt
150 2013-02-28 01:44:15 <etotheipi_> I don't know anything about RSS
151 2013-02-28 01:44:33 <etotheipi_> sounds like my answer is I need to look into sourceforge's RSS
152 2013-02-28 01:44:34 <Luke-Jr> it's xml
153 2013-02-28 01:46:13 <etotheipi_> Luke-Jr: you got a link for me
154 2013-02-28 01:46:25 <etotheipi_> I can't seem to find it
155 2013-02-28 01:48:19 <Luke-Jr> http://sourceforge.net/api/file/index/project-id/244765/mtime/desc/limit/20/rss
156 2013-02-28 01:49:01 <etotheipi_> perfect, thanks
157 2013-02-28 01:49:17 <Luke-Jr> np
158 2013-02-28 02:00:58 <Tatsuya> hey all - quick question - I'm just starting to learn how to develop bitcoin-apps (I can somewhat program), and to test myself, I want to make a simple app that just prints "transaction received" whenever an address in my wallet receives something. I'm not entirely sure how to set this up: I can connect and call RPC-commands from python script w/ the bitcoin JSON-RPC, but I'm not sure how to make the bitcoin app send
159 2013-02-28 02:00:58 <Tatsuya> some sort of signal that it's gotten something
160 2013-02-28 02:01:40 <Tatsuya> is this something I would need to use libbitcoin for? Or is the best thing to do hack at the original bitcoin d/qt source code?
161 2013-02-28 02:02:21 <Luke-Jr> Tatsuya: latest git code has a -walletnotify command option
162 2013-02-28 02:02:38 <gmaxwell> Absent walletnotify the easiest thing to do right now is to just poll.
163 2013-02-28 02:02:53 <Luke-Jr> libbitcoin might work, but no idea what the state of it is
164 2013-02-28 02:03:11 <Tatsuya> Luke-Jr - latest git code for bitcoind?
165 2013-02-28 02:03:13 <Tatsuya> thanks guys
166 2013-02-28 02:03:17 <Luke-Jr> yes
167 2013-02-28 02:03:24 <Tatsuya> yeah, I figured I could poll but what wondering if there might be a better way
168 2013-02-28 02:03:28 <gmaxwell> unmaintained and insecure.
169 2013-02-28 02:03:29 <Tatsuya> to raise an interrupt or something
170 2013-02-28 02:03:41 <Tatsuya> which is unmaintained and insecure?
171 2013-02-28 02:03:58 <gmaxwell> libbitcoin.
172 2013-02-28 02:04:22 <Tatsuya> ah
173 2013-02-28 02:04:27 <Tatsuya> thank you for the heads up
174 2013-02-28 02:05:52 <Tatsuya> anyways, cheers guys, back to futzing around
175 2013-02-28 02:06:28 <GI_Jack> I get this error what is this "Displayed Transations may not be correct! you may need to upgrade, or other nodes may need to upgrade"
176 2013-02-28 02:06:39 <GI_Jack> I have version 0.8.0.0
177 2013-02-28 02:06:48 <Luke-Jr> GI_Jack: upload your debug.log somewhere
178 2013-02-28 02:13:05 <GI_Jack> InvalidChainFound: invalid block=000000000000042983d8e69e43a629272d2ca8614041b198589c$
179 2013-02-28 02:15:36 <Luke-Jr> not enough
180 2013-02-28 02:16:41 <gmaxwell> GI_Jack: thats interesting but we need the log!
181 2013-02-28 02:16:50 <GI_Jack> https://pastee.org/bhr7p
182 2013-02-28 02:18:01 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED looks fishy
183 2013-02-28 02:18:44 <gmaxwell> that log isn't useful. :(
184 2013-02-28 02:18:55 <GI_Jack> :(
185 2013-02-28 02:19:15 <gmaxwell> it's stuck at 202226 and the first failure is block 223333
186 2013-02-28 02:19:29 <gmaxwell> GI_Jack: do you have any log data before that or is the top of the paste the top of your file?
187 2013-02-28 02:19:42 <GI_Jack> no, thats the ENTIRE file
188 2013-02-28 02:19:47 <gmaxwell> GI_Jack: also, whats the history of this node? what was it running before?
189 2013-02-28 02:19:49 <GI_Jack> ctr-a ctl-v
190 2013-02-28 02:19:51 <gmaxwell> when was it upgraded?
191 2013-02-28 02:19:56 <gmaxwell> any other issues or system crashes?
192 2013-02-28 02:20:35 <gmaxwell> GI_Jack: in any case, its easy to fix this problem in 0.8.
193 2013-02-28 02:21:00 <gmaxwell> The reason your log doesn't have more is that you restarted at least once since it wedged and it rotated the log so that start of the failure isn't there.
194 2013-02-28 02:21:30 <gmaxwell> GI_Jack: are you in a hurry to fix it or can you try to test some stuff first?
195 2013-02-28 02:26:15 <GI_Jack> gmaxwell, about to logoff
196 2013-02-28 03:10:39 <Quazgaa> ok i installed 0.8.0
197 2013-02-28 03:10:50 <Quazgaa> still only displays a pure black window
198 2013-02-28 03:54:27 <Kireji> is there a mailing list that will go batshit when a security hole is found and update us about the latest version of bitcoind to be running?
199 2013-02-28 03:54:39 <Kireji> I wanna be on that list
200 2013-02-28 03:54:47 <Luke-Jr> Kireji: watch https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/CVEs
201 2013-02-28 03:58:09 <Kireji> thanks
202 2013-02-28 04:00:19 <Kireji> I ind it difficult to believe there are no CVEs affecting 0.8
203 2013-02-28 04:02:32 <gmaxwell> Kireji: why??
204 2013-02-28 04:02:50 <gmaxwell> Do you think we'd ship software that was known vulnerable?
205 2013-02-28 04:02:58 <gmaxwell> or that lots of things are going to be found in a week?
206 2013-02-28 04:04:40 <egecko> 
ACTION chucles

207 2013-02-28 04:04:47 <egecko> grr
208 2013-02-28 04:04:50 <egecko> 
ACTION chuckles

209 2013-02-28 04:06:01 <Luke-Jr> fwiw, CVE-2012-1910 is fixed on over 99.5% of the network now
210 2013-02-28 04:06:54 <Kireji> hmmm
211 2013-02-28 04:07:24 <Kireji> no, but I get the distinct sense the wiki page is sanitized to not show existing vulnerabilities before they've been patched
212 2013-02-28 04:07:50 <Kireji> AND I expect bitcoin clients are a bery high value target for people looking vulnerabilities
213 2013-02-28 04:07:56 <Kireji> *very
214 2013-02-28 04:08:38 <petertodd> As opposed to getting a CVE # assigned and scaring people into upgrading?
215 2013-02-28 04:09:13 <Luke-Jr> Kireji: 0.8's only been out like a week
216 2013-02-28 04:09:47 <gmaxwell> Kireji: that isn't how we operate. Even when we have a issue where details aren't being disclosed, we still will log a CVE number and warn people that a fix is incoming.
217 2013-02-28 04:09:53 <Luke-Jr> Kireji: and the wiki page has everything public. to get private pre-announcements, you have to convince Gavin you need to know
218 2013-02-28 04:11:24 <Kireji> I don't really.  rather have a team of people working on it and keeping it secure
219 2013-02-28 04:11:41 <petertodd> What makes you think there isn't a team working on it?
220 2013-02-28 04:11:53 <Kireji> petertodd: I do expect there is
221 2013-02-28 04:12:39 <petertodd> Gavin's paid to do Bitcoin full time, and the rest of the core dev team is very responsive.
222 2013-02-28 04:12:48 <Kireji> more than expect, I'm quite sure they're all people because I've emailed with them in the past
223 2013-02-28 04:13:04 <Kireji> 
ACTION nods

224 2013-02-28 04:13:55 <Kireji> In the past I have not run a client full time, rather just when I needed to run transactions.  with 0.8, there has been a call to run 0.8 as it helps the android clients get running
225 2013-02-28 04:14:35 <Kireji> so I'm running it full time on machines that have other sensitive data.  If there's a hole, I want to know about it as soon as possible to shut down my clients, that's all
226 2013-02-28 04:14:50 <Quazgaa> how come all my qt apps just display a blank black window :\\
227 2013-02-28 04:28:24 <tatsuya> er nope
228 2013-02-28 04:28:47 <tatsuya> sorry, I think I got disconnected, posted
229 2013-02-28 04:28:56 <tatsuya> hmmm - I seem to be having trouble with the following tag/command: -blocknotify "python ~/devel/btcplay/txresponse.py >> /tmp/btc_debug_lot2.txt" which works if I just call it from the terminal
230 2013-02-28 04:29:01 <tatsuya> getting  "sh: 1: python ~/devel/btcplay/txresponse.py >> /tmp/btc_debug_lot2.txt: not found
231 2013-02-28 04:30:59 <gmaxwell> blocknotify isn't a shell.  you should just invoke a script directly not try redirection
232 2013-02-28 04:32:08 <gmaxwell> Kireji: AFAIR we have never had a vulnerability that could have resulted in that kind of compromise. Though I would strongly discourage you from running someplace you're worried about. Better to be safe than sorry
233 2013-02-28 04:32:35 <gmaxwell> Kireji: one more node isn't going to make or break the android wallets. You could better help by encouraging more people to upgrade.
234 2013-02-28 04:35:45 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: blocknotify isn't a shell? <.<
235 2013-02-28 04:36:10 <tatsuya> I got confused by https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/743
236 2013-02-28 04:36:26 <tatsuya> gavin used the example: ./bitcoind -blocknotify="./bitcoind getblock %s >> /tmp/blocks.txt"
237 2013-02-28 04:37:20 <gmaxwell> hm. I didn't go look at the code??? maybe it does invoke the shell (if so, how does that work in windows?)
238 2013-02-28 04:37:32 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: however system() works on Windows ;)
239 2013-02-28 04:37:45 <Luke-Jr> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/277bwbdz(v=vs.71).aspx
240 2013-02-28 04:38:15 <Luke-Jr> tatsuya: maybe Python isn't in your default non-interactive path
241 2013-02-28 04:38:35 <Luke-Jr> actually???
242 2013-02-28 04:38:42 <Luke-Jr> looks more like double-quoting from that error :/
243 2013-02-28 04:38:50 <tatsuya> hrmnn
244 2013-02-28 04:39:11 <tatsuya> oh
245 2013-02-28 04:39:17 <tatsuya> it should be two single quotes?
246 2013-02-28 04:39:28 <tatsuya> sorry x_x I'm new to working in linux
247 2013-02-28 04:41:11 <Luke-Jr> in the config file, probably none
248 2013-02-28 04:41:20 <Luke-Jr> could be bitcoind is erroneously adding escaping too
249 2013-02-28 04:41:43 <tatsuya> oh
250 2013-02-28 04:41:48 <tatsuya> I'll play with that, thanks
251 2013-02-28 04:44:02 <tatsuya> Luke-Jr thanks! Getting rid of the quotes in bitcoin.conf did the trick
252 2013-02-28 04:44:40 <nanotube> <Kireji> so I'm running it full time on machines that have other sensitive data. <- well, maybe you should not do that. have you any machines that don't have sensitive data? :)
253 2013-02-28 04:44:43 <tatsuya> my bitcoin.conf now uses the line: blocknotify = python ~/devel/btcplay/txresponse.py (I got rid of the redirection too, but will try with it)
254 2013-02-28 04:47:16 <muhoo> i keep treating bitcoin like a currency, not a speculative investment. maybe that's an error. look at that price go!
255 2013-02-28 05:23:19 <Quazgaa> is there a way to throttle bitcoin
256 2013-02-28 05:23:31 <Quazgaa> i think its saturating my upstream
257 2013-02-28 05:24:09 <Eliel_> you'll have to do it with some software external to bitcoin.
258 2013-02-28 05:24:53 <Quazgaa> i see
259 2013-02-28 05:42:20 <gmaxwell> Quazgaa: turn off listening and that generally takes care of it
260 2013-02-28 05:42:32 <Quazgaa> i see
261 2013-02-28 05:54:58 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: btw, has anyone suggested a debt-based overlay network like ripple builtin to bitcoin yet? :p
262 2013-02-28 05:54:59 <Diablo-D3> http://boingboing.net/2013/02/27/introducing-mandroid-google.html
263 2013-02-28 05:55:16 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: and automatically settling on the blockchain when debt reaches its limits
264 2013-02-28 05:58:25 <phantomcircuit> Luke-Jr, various people have suggested that to me
265 2013-02-28 05:58:33 <phantomcircuit> most were in a drunked haze
266 2013-02-28 05:58:39 <Luke-Jr> lol
267 2013-02-28 05:59:07 <phantomcircuit> i believe you could actually make that work, but only if people really were willing to accept the credit risk
268 2013-02-28 05:59:12 <phantomcircuit> which most people aren't actually
269 2013-02-28 05:59:34 <Luke-Jr> phantomcircuit: well, the idea would be it'd be mostly transparent and you could still use the blockchain directly without trusting anyone
270 2013-02-28 05:59:49 <Luke-Jr> but you could say "I trust Joe with as much as 50 BTC before confirming"
271 2013-02-28 05:59:56 <phantomcircuit> Luke-Jr, ripple is fundamentally about extending people credit
272 2013-02-28 05:59:58 <Luke-Jr> and it'd figure out a path from A to B using such loans
273 2013-02-28 06:00:17 <phantomcircuit> without actually extending credit (ie without risk of loss) you're left with .. bitcoin?
274 2013-02-28 06:00:18 <Luke-Jr> showing the end-result balance immediately
275 2013-02-28 06:00:34 <Luke-Jr> phantomcircuit: right, but if you hide the credit..
276 2013-02-28 06:00:42 <phantomcircuit> oh you mean a trust overlay for unconfirmed transactions?
277 2013-02-28 06:00:46 <Luke-Jr> so you're just trusting people close to you not to double-spend
278 2013-02-28 06:01:00 <Luke-Jr> phantomcircuit: except you wouldn't bother encoding it in trasnaction format until you settle
279 2013-02-28 06:01:21 <Luke-Jr> this way, if the path from A to you and from B to you both go through C, you get one transaction from C
280 2013-02-28 06:01:26 <phantomcircuit> Luke-Jr, i've actually proposed that a number of times
281 2013-02-28 06:01:42 <phantomcircuit> and it work of already exists in the form of green addresses and intersango proof of transfer tickets
282 2013-02-28 06:01:57 <Luke-Jr> that's not the same thing, green addresses should die :P
283 2013-02-28 06:02:23 <Luke-Jr> with this concept, nothing would hit the blockchain until the trust was "overflowed"
284 2013-02-28 06:02:31 <Luke-Jr> or maybe a timeout per week or something
285 2013-02-28 06:02:38 <phantomcircuit> the issue with a more explicit trust network is that it would greatly reduce anonymity as it necessarily requires that transactions be signed with your real identity
286 2013-02-28 06:03:05 <Luke-Jr> only the temporary "transactions" outside of the blockchain
287 2013-02-28 06:03:12 <Luke-Jr> and Bitcoin does not provide anonymity.
288 2013-02-28 06:03:18 <Luke-Jr> it's not a goal, so ..
289 2013-02-28 06:03:21 <phantomcircuit> Luke-Jr, there are various schemes to implement such a system with varying degrees of complexity and varying degrees of relative risk
290 2013-02-28 06:04:24 <phantomcircuit> Luke-Jr, actually ironically i think satoshi dice has signifcantly increased the anonymity of the average user by massively increasing the noise level
291 2013-02-28 06:04:38 <Luke-Jr> ???
292 2013-02-28 06:04:40 <phantomcircuit> there are now thousands of times as many interconnected transactions as there were before
293 2013-02-28 06:05:11 <phantomcircuit> and anybody trying to do address correlation analysis will quickly find that the transaction network is NOT acyclic
294 2013-02-28 06:05:21 <phantomcircuit> which significantly increases the cost of analysis
295 2013-02-28 06:05:38 <Luke-Jr> phantomcircuit: or you can just filter out SD as if it never existed..
296 2013-02-28 06:05:53 <phantomcircuit> well no you cant because your target might have used sd
297 2013-02-28 06:06:02 <phantomcircuit> (in fact it's very likely they have)
298 2013-02-28 06:06:38 <phantomcircuit> you can try to do win/loss analysis and just bridge those transactions
299 2013-02-28 06:06:52 <Luke-Jr> try? it's easy.
300 2013-02-28 06:06:54 <phantomcircuit> but it's relatively expensive compared to naive address correlation analsysis
301 2013-02-28 06:09:21 <Quazgaa> i like to fingerpaint
302 2013-02-28 06:11:22 <phantomcircuit> Luke-Jr, would you like to build a debt based overlay network?
303 2013-02-28 06:11:27 <phantomcircuit> it really wouldn't be very hard
304 2013-02-28 06:11:33 <phantomcircuit> im pretty sure it would be illegal though
305 2013-02-28 06:11:39 <Luke-Jr> phantomcircuit: not sure it helps tonal along
306 2013-02-28 06:11:44 <Luke-Jr> how could it possibly be illegal?
307 2013-02-28 06:11:51 <phantomcircuit> Luke-Jr, well
308 2013-02-28 06:12:01 <phantomcircuit> each debt link is really a contract to cover
309 2013-02-28 06:12:07 <phantomcircuit> which is transfered to another party
310 2013-02-28 06:12:24 <phantomcircuit> that's more or less the exact intended definition of a security
311 2013-02-28 06:12:34 <phantomcircuit> so if you were going to do this you would want clearance from the SEC
312 2013-02-28 06:12:36 <Luke-Jr> phantomcircuit: meh, it wouldn't really be debt though
313 2013-02-28 06:12:41 <Luke-Jr> just off-chain transactions
314 2013-02-28 06:12:45 <phantomcircuit> and i don know about you but i dont have the time for that nonsense
315 2013-02-28 06:13:54 <phantomcircuit> Luke-Jr, practically you would probably need to setup trust anchors, ie trusted nodes for when there is no path between peers
316 2013-02-28 06:14:13 <phantomcircuit> for that you would obviously be construed as a money transmitter
317 2013-02-28 06:14:27 <phantomcircuit> (notice this setup is essentially identical to hwuala (sp?))
318 2013-02-28 06:14:40 <Luke-Jr> phantomcircuit: when there is no path, they send a regular transaction and wait 6 confirms
319 2013-02-28 06:14:59 <phantomcircuit> hawala
320 2013-02-28 06:15:17 <phantomcircuit> Luke-Jr, hmm that is an interesting solution to the otherwise thorny legal problem
321 2013-02-28 06:59:54 <Luke-Jr> [Notice] -ChanServ- Examples: \\n [Notice] -ChanServ-     /msg ChanServ UNQUIET #chat Diablo-D3
322 2013-02-28 07:00:03 <Luke-Jr> is Diablo-D3 the example UNQUIET target for everyone? O.o
323 2013-02-28 07:04:03 <Diablo-D3> Luke-Jr: wtf?
324 2013-02-28 07:04:15 <Luke-Jr> Diablo-D3: yeah, that was my thought too
325 2013-02-28 07:04:24 <Luke-Jr> Diablo-D3: /msg chanserv help unquiet
326 2013-02-28 07:05:54 <Diablo-D3> 
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327 2013-02-28 07:06:19 <Diablo-D3> Luke-Jr: freenode staff love me.
328 2013-02-28 07:06:35 <Luke-Jr> Diablo-D3: same for you?
329 2013-02-28 07:06:39 <Diablo-D3> yes
330 2013-02-28 07:06:47 <Luke-Jr> lol
331 2013-02-28 07:07:15 <Luke-Jr> example hostmask for QUIET is all AOL users lol
332 2013-02-28 07:08:27 <Diablo-D3> 
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333 2013-02-28 07:16:04 <rs0> is there a maximum size for an individual block in the blockchain? if so, how is spillover handled?
334 2013-02-28 07:29:43 <Diablo-D3> rs0: yes, and there is no spillover
335 2013-02-28 07:29:49 <Diablo-D3> the transactions simply dont make it into the block
336 2013-02-28 07:30:09 <Diablo-D3> rs0: transactions dont target a specific block before they're included in one
337 2013-02-28 07:42:04 <rs0> it seems like that would limit the throughput of the network. or would the "supply and demand" of bitcoin transactions be equilibrated by the transaction fees?
338 2013-02-28 07:42:47 <Diablo-D3> rs0: when bitcoins stop being produced sometime in the 2100s
339 2013-02-28 07:42:52 <Diablo-D3> fees will drive mining
340 2013-02-28 07:43:43 <rs0> right, but blocks are supposed to be discovered every ten minutes on average
341 2013-02-28 07:43:53 <rs0> i'm not sure exactly how many transactions you can fit into a 1MB block
342 2013-02-28 07:44:05 <rs0> but you could only have that many transactions per ten minutes across the network on average, right?
343 2013-02-28 07:54:07 <Diablo-D3> rs0: transaction size isnt fixed
344 2013-02-28 07:54:11 <Diablo-D3> it depends on the number of inputs
345 2013-02-28 07:54:18 <Diablo-D3> outputs are usually just 2, target and change