1 2013-05-01 00:00:11 <alex_fun> Belxjander: I am yet to figure out how entire bitcoin work, then I can write logic on paper and ask someone to make miner in vhdl as per logic
2 2013-05-01 00:00:14 <alex_fun> for example
3 2013-05-01 00:02:07 <Belxjander> alex_fun: I'm more just wanting to be able to throw a memory buffer at the FPGA and then read a response back later when an Interrupt can trigger a "read" signal to the original sending process
4 2013-05-01 00:02:28 <alex_fun> so yes BlueMatt how come when I solve the block I get reward however no txt fees reward? it should be in local mempool added to the block transactions list
5 2013-05-01 00:03:04 <sipa> alex_fun: you should, but transaction fees are typically very now
6 2013-05-01 00:03:10 <sipa> alex_fun: until recently
7 2013-05-01 00:03:15 <sipa> alex_fun: which block is yours?
8 2013-05-01 00:03:56 <alex_fun> sipa so far I solved with bbqcoin blocks feather coins bitcoin yet to come
9 2013-05-01 00:04:02 <alex_fun> when I get more hashpower perhaps
10 2013-05-01 00:04:21 <alex_fun> or can I try to simulate on testnet
11 2013-05-01 00:07:32 <sipa> alex_fun: i have no clue about how things work in those altcoins
12 2013-05-01 00:08:15 <alex_fun> sipa they call copied bitcoin seems so as I read via main.cpp and so on
13 2013-05-01 00:08:27 <alex_fun> with small additions
14 2013-05-01 00:08:39 <alex_fun> some did not even bothered to rename files :)
15 2013-05-01 00:14:33 <phantomcircuit> sipa, mostly they dont
16 2013-05-01 00:15:02 <alex_fun> well litecoin seems to work fine some far no hacks of any kind
17 2013-05-01 00:15:29 <alex_fun> maybe becouse it used satoshi fine code with correct implementation of scrypt
18 2013-05-01 00:17:07 <phantomcircuit> alex_fun, litecoin could be seriously damaged by a reasonably competent attacker
19 2013-05-01 00:17:34 <alex_fun> damaged means attacker gets alot of coins?
20 2013-05-01 00:17:46 <alex_fun> some could call it reward to checking code :)
21 2013-05-01 00:17:56 <alex_fun> *for
22 2013-05-01 00:18:26 <alex_fun> I thought artforz knew exactly how it all works
23 2013-05-01 00:18:40 <phantomcircuit> alex_fun, damage means sending litecoins wouldn't work
24 2013-05-01 00:19:15 <alex_fun> hmm thats not interesting for me :) no reward
25 2013-05-01 00:19:33 <alex_fun> I read about it, its done by sending transactional spam?
26 2013-05-01 00:20:57 <phantomcircuit> lol
27 2013-05-01 00:21:08 <phantomcircuit> sipa, i think my problem is i have 1 transaction which is stuck
28 2013-05-01 00:21:40 <SirDefaced> phantoncircuit dust transactions and the size of the blocks?
29 2013-05-01 00:22:10 <phantomcircuit> 0.000496 btc
30 2013-05-01 00:23:29 <alex_fun> http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2013/04/the-flaw-that-may-bring-down-bitcoin-or-change-it-forever.html
31 2013-05-01 01:03:21 <alex_fun> when I want to uninstall bitcoin completely to see if i can create QT from source do I Windows: %APPDATA%\\Bitcoin and the bitcoin dir and thats it?
32 2013-05-01 01:03:48 <Belxjander> alex_fun: just make sure to save your wallet !!!
33 2013-05-01 01:04:06 <alex_fun> I know :)
34 2013-05-01 01:04:10 <alex_fun> save walled.dat
35 2013-05-01 01:04:14 <alex_fun> wallet
36 2013-05-01 01:05:19 <SirDefaced> yea thats exactly what i just said, save the wallet.
37 2013-05-01 01:10:53 <jgarzik> gmaxwell: Your github argumentation energy is impressive ;p
38 2013-05-01 01:12:44 <alex_fun> did btc went down right now
39 2013-05-01 01:12:47 <alex_fun> on mtgox?
40 2013-05-01 01:13:01 <petertodd> alex_fun: take it to #bitcoin
41 2013-05-01 01:13:11 <alex_fun> true :)
42 2013-05-01 01:13:26 <saivann_> jgarzik / gmaxwell : Are you becoming uncomfortable about anything with this thread?
43 2013-05-01 01:13:36 <The_Fly> http://pastebin.com/NfagnQsU
44 2013-05-01 01:13:37 <jgarzik> saivann_: me, hell no.
45 2013-05-01 01:13:46 <jgarzik> saivann_: It's normal troll behavior
46 2013-05-01 01:13:47 <The_Fly> broken miner_tests
47 2013-05-01 01:13:55 <gmaxwell> jgarzik: I've been compiling a whole lot today.
48 2013-05-01 01:13:57 <The_Fly> segfault, looks like null pointer ref
49 2013-05-01 01:14:02 <jgarzik> saivann_: Internet trolls will -always- have more energy than you.
50 2013-05-01 01:14:05 <jgarzik> gmaxwell: hah
51 2013-05-01 01:14:28 <gmaxwell> (well technically training great big linear predictors, but same deal??? computer is busy. :P )
52 2013-05-01 01:14:42 <jgarzik> saivann_: I try to state my opinion, then let things stand. There is no value in repeating yourself, as it just fuels further responses covering the same ground.
53 2013-05-01 01:14:42 <The_Fly> pindexPrev = 0x0
54 2013-05-01 01:15:11 <petertodd> gmaxwell: perhaps your computer needs to be busy enough that you read a book instead :P
55 2013-05-01 01:15:26 <jgarzik> saivann_: Everything is archived on the Internet, so everyone knows where I stand once it's stated, etc.
56 2013-05-01 01:15:55 <jgarzik> saivann_: and I'm an old fogie, an old codger. I have survived Usenet flamewars, and these kids probably don't even know what a Usenet is.
57 2013-05-01 01:15:56 <jgarzik> ;p
58 2013-05-01 01:16:02 <saivann_> jgarzik : Fine, but if at any moment you think that this is really having bad sides on the community or anything, I want to take all of this into account.
59 2013-05-01 01:16:14 <saivann_> :)
60 2013-05-01 01:16:20 <jgarzik> saivann_: you gotta let people vent
61 2013-05-01 01:16:25 <jgarzik> saivann_: and then real work happens, in parallel
62 2013-05-01 01:16:39 <petertodd> The problem is we use reams of non-automatable troll talk as a costly signal to show support for viewpoints. But it's a flawed measurement.
63 2013-05-01 01:16:43 <gmaxwell> Exactly what jgarzik says. None of these fruitbags have called my boss yet. (no kidding, a troll did that once??? years ago??? and my boss had a fantastic time screwing with his head)
64 2013-05-01 01:16:58 <The_Fly> does bitcoind even do any mining? i see a call to GenerateCoins in init
65 2013-05-01 01:17:00 <The_Fly> ?
66 2013-05-01 01:17:09 <jgarzik> saivann_: We saw the same stuff when the trolls howled at removal of the drug dealing stuff from forum.bitcoin.org / bitcointalk.org.
67 2013-05-01 01:17:18 <gmaxwell> When you get into the right zen of this, the sparring doesn't sap that much psychic energy.
68 2013-05-01 01:17:22 <petertodd> The_Fly: the mining code has been left in mainly for testnet
69 2013-05-01 01:17:38 <The_Fly> thanks, i wondered where those coins were coming from
70 2013-05-01 01:17:52 <petertodd> The_Fly: Please say you are on mainnet. :P
71 2013-05-01 01:18:11 <gmaxwell> I'm a little torqed at this newbie claiming that I lack integrity as straight fact??? as though it doesn't need justification. You can fault me in a whole bunch of ways, ??? but thats not one of them.
72 2013-05-01 01:18:44 <The_Fly> petertodd: :)
73 2013-05-01 01:19:15 <jgarzik> saivann_: The world --and bitcoin-- didn't end when the openly illegal crapola was cleared off the forums. Nobody with any seeming impact is saying this is bad for bitcoin.
74 2013-05-01 01:19:37 <jgarzik> saivann_: In the open source world... all the normal fights are out in the open
75 2013-05-01 01:19:54 <jgarzik> Unlike the closed source / proprietary world, where all this stuff happens behind closed doors
76 2013-05-01 01:20:08 <saivann_> jgarzik : Thanks. I only want to be sure that this is not having real bad impacts on anything serious in the Bitcoin ecosystem.
77 2013-05-01 01:20:10 <k9quaint> mmm, flames
78 2013-05-01 01:20:15 <jgarzik> saivann_: It might appear ugly, but it's a normal part of the process
79 2013-05-01 01:20:20 <gmaxwell> Whats actually good is that some of the voices who went extremely hyperbolic when the obviously illegal stuff was removed basically went away. I think it's a pretty big net improvement to the ecosystem.
80 2013-05-01 01:20:37 <saivann_> Indeed
81 2013-05-01 01:20:39 <k9quaint> gmaxwell: you mean bitcointalk.org was worse than it is now?
82 2013-05-01 01:20:44 <muhoo> haha
83 2013-05-01 01:20:45 <jgarzik> hah
84 2013-05-01 01:20:46 <gmaxwell> k9quaint: Yes, it very much was.
85 2013-05-01 01:20:59 <k9quaint> gmaxwell: you are dead to me sir
86 2013-05-01 01:21:13 <k9quaint> gmaxwell: I just notice you killed my sockpuppet
87 2013-05-01 01:21:22 <gmaxwell> k9quaint: I did?
88 2013-05-01 01:21:33 <jgarzik> gmaxwell: That is the purpose of a troll, to torq you. :) If they do that, The Terrrrists Win.
89 2013-05-01 01:21:39 <alex_fun> I want to download dependencies for QT win via https://download.visucore.com/bitcoin/qtgui_deps_1.zip however link is broken, is there equally trusted copy of it somewhere?
90 2013-05-01 01:22:12 <petertodd> Hmm... For the press page, has anyone suggested fidelity bonds yet?
91 2013-05-01 01:22:14 <gmaxwell> I am also really torqued by huge amounts of bitcoin showing up totally anonymously in my donation address.
92 2013-05-01 01:22:26 <gmaxwell> petertodd: I would have to kill you.
93 2013-05-01 01:22:28 <k9quaint> I really need to start reading the github threads, sounds like there is some really tasty flames there
94 2013-05-01 01:22:48 <gmaxwell> petertodd: because all bizarrowar needs is someone mixing _money_ into it.
95 2013-05-01 01:23:09 <gmaxwell> k9quaint: it's a bit repetative.
96 2013-05-01 01:23:14 <Belxjander> ACTION hands k9quaint the BBQ sauce and wanders away again
97 2013-05-01 01:23:20 <gmaxwell> And I've been keeping the zinger level set to only 1.
98 2013-05-01 01:23:20 <petertodd> gmaxwell: Oh, I can do better: lets make the sacrifice inherent, by putting the press page on the blockchain.
99 2013-05-01 01:23:38 <jgarzik> ACTION fired petertodd into outer space ;p
100 2013-05-01 01:23:42 <jgarzik> *fires
101 2013-05-01 01:23:45 <sipa> hey let's implement TCP/IP over blockchain?!
102 2013-05-01 01:24:01 <k9quaint> you guys should tag the delicious threads so I don't have to sort through the chaff
103 2013-05-01 01:24:03 <gmaxwell> Yo dawg.
104 2013-05-01 01:24:21 <petertodd> sipa: Well, we can run it on namecoin or something.
105 2013-05-01 01:24:25 <gmaxwell> k9quaint: need some kinda of biometric reader that discerns how funny a post is from your brainwaves.
106 2013-05-01 01:24:28 <jgarzik> har. upload a block... into the blockchain.
107 2013-05-01 01:24:39 <Belxjander> sipa: a BTCproxy where you pay the proxy owner in BTC 1 Satoshi per request ?
108 2013-05-01 01:24:52 <k9quaint> gmaxwell: if my eyes are both focused on the same thing, it is probably funny
109 2013-05-01 01:24:56 <jgarzik> gmaxwell: It's your boyish looks and charm. I never get any donations.
110 2013-05-01 01:25:03 <jgarzik> ACTION is the bitcoin-poorest of all devs ;p
111 2013-05-01 01:25:05 <k9quaint> ACTION stares at the avalon
112 2013-05-01 01:25:18 <The_Fly> best i check the tests in master, damn the build is slow on this laptop
113 2013-05-01 01:25:25 <sipa> jgarzik: you don't?
114 2013-05-01 01:25:28 <The_Fly> even with -j X
115 2013-05-01 01:25:32 <sipa> i opened my old wallet recently again
116 2013-05-01 01:25:35 <sipa> tons of donations!
117 2013-05-01 01:25:43 <sipa> mostly ~1uBTC, but still :P
118 2013-05-01 01:25:48 <sipa> some are (a lot) better
119 2013-05-01 01:25:55 <The_Fly> it's the tought that counts
120 2013-05-01 01:26:00 <jgarzik> sipa: nope. a 0.00001 every now and again, probably from some taint experiment
121 2013-05-01 01:26:13 <The_Fly> hearing that restores my faith in humanity a little
122 2013-05-01 01:26:14 <gmaxwell> jgarzik: I get fairly few. (most of the coins on 1GMaxwell are the ones I moved there for the taint rich thing)
123 2013-05-01 01:26:17 <SirDefaced> sipa i remember doing that one time for a poetry website i used to run, and someone donated 50 btc, albeit, they were 50 cents a piece at the time, but still awesome.
124 2013-05-01 01:26:17 <The_Fly> just a little
125 2013-05-01 01:27:03 <petertodd> jgarzik: Heh, I noticed the PGP keys in the blockchain stunt had a 0.01 donation to Mike part way through...
126 2013-05-01 01:27:36 <saivann_> jgarzik : Any way to poke Sirius? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=150316.0
127 2013-05-01 01:27:43 <Belxjander> someone actually PAID a pgp key INTO the blockchain !?!?
128 2013-05-01 01:27:59 <gmaxwell> Belxjander: all of the pgp keys, in fact. :(
129 2013-05-01 01:28:06 <petertodd> Belxjander: all 50,000 fingerprints of the PGP strong set were timestamped
130 2013-05-01 01:28:23 <Belxjander> gmaxwell: what the heck is that !?!?
131 2013-05-01 01:28:25 <jgarzik> Donations, past six months:
132 2013-05-01 01:28:28 <jgarzik> 0.1613611 BTC
133 2013-05-01 01:28:37 <petertodd> Belxjander: 1d958ef717309a81e941ad33642d86577e3f0f3630b8031937e8a5573a9ea8a1 is one of the tx's
134 2013-05-01 01:29:13 <jgarzik> saivann_: Just forum PM, AFAIK. I think there might be an email address somewhere.
135 2013-05-01 01:29:15 <saivann_> jgarzik : Really? o_O I've got a full BTC for the website.. and I think it's actually much less important than your code
136 2013-05-01 01:29:20 <jgarzik> saivann_: A bit of history...
137 2013-05-01 01:29:37 <jgarzik> saivann_: I registered the domain bitcointalk.org, to split it off from bitcoin.org
138 2013-05-01 01:29:51 <alex_fun> thats good
139 2013-05-01 01:29:56 <jgarzik> saivann_: bitcointalk.org was turned over to Sirius, i.e. registrar passwords etc.
140 2013-05-01 01:30:04 <saivann_> ACTION eating popcorn
141 2013-05-01 01:30:07 <sipa> saivann_: 1 BTC is all you got in total for that site? :o
142 2013-05-01 01:30:10 <jgarzik> saivann_: he never touched them. I had access even after repeated pokings.
143 2013-05-01 01:30:14 <alex_fun> :D
144 2013-05-01 01:30:22 <jgarzik> saivann_: finally poked theymos about the domain issue
145 2013-05-01 01:30:58 <saivann_> sipa : 1.10BTC I guess
146 2013-05-01 01:31:06 <sipa> ah, much better!
147 2013-05-01 01:31:07 <gmaxwell> A lot of people tell me that I'm a billionaire. If only they'd send me all these wallets I'm apparently missing and have never known about. :P
148 2013-05-01 01:31:15 <muhoo> taint
149 2013-05-01 01:31:30 <alex_fun> :)
150 2013-05-01 01:32:15 <gmaxwell> jgarzik: I've recieved a fair bit more than that in the last 6 months, though not much more than that in the last year IIRC. And, interestingly, most of it has been from people on IRC.
151 2013-05-01 01:32:28 <jgarzik> Total all time donations: 26.88 BTC
152 2013-05-01 01:32:31 <jgarzik> https://blockchain.info/address/1BrufViLKnSWtuWGkryPsKsxonV2NQ7Tcj
153 2013-05-01 01:32:51 <k9quaint> I hope I didn't send any while I was blackout drunk
154 2013-05-01 01:32:52 <alex_fun> eeee 26
155 2013-05-01 01:33:00 <alex_fun> I was thinking more like 20,000
156 2013-05-01 01:33:01 <saivann_> jgarzik : So Sirius is still the only one to have access to the domain?
157 2013-05-01 01:33:03 <alex_fun> to each dev
158 2013-05-01 01:33:08 <jgarzik> saivann_: AFAIK yes
159 2013-05-01 01:33:47 <k9quaint> I am kind of curious where the early mined coins are (if they are still accessible)
160 2013-05-01 01:33:59 <alex_fun> :D
161 2013-05-01 01:33:59 <alex_fun> sold or kept by few peeps
162 2013-05-01 01:34:16 <alex_fun> buy tons of old hardrives u might find some
163 2013-05-01 01:34:21 <saivann_> MillyBitcoin is kind of right this time, if we can't get to contact Sirius, and maybe have more than one person holding the domain, it's a bit vulnerable
164 2013-05-01 01:34:26 <syskk> http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2012/03/28#l3229589
165 2013-05-01 01:34:31 <jgarzik> saivann_: yes, agreed
166 2013-05-01 01:34:33 <syskk> did anyone ever find out what caused this bug?
167 2013-05-01 01:34:48 <The_Fly> anyone else seen "bitcoind: /usr/include/boost/thread/pthread/condition_variable_fwd.hpp:46: boost::condition_variable::~condition_variable(): Assertion `!pthread_mutex_destroy(&internal_mutex)' failed" on shutdown before?
168 2013-05-01 01:34:49 <alex_fun> folks https://download.visucore.com/bitcoin/qtgui_deps_1.zip is broken is there some mirror?
169 2013-05-01 01:34:52 <jgarzik> No wait. I had an older address (354 BTC), https://blockchain.info/address/17NdbrSGoUotzeGCcMMCqnFkEvLymoou9j
170 2013-05-01 01:35:01 <jgarzik> So, 26 BTC donated in past two years
171 2013-05-01 01:35:14 <jgarzik> Good thing Red Hat was paying me ;p
172 2013-05-01 01:35:20 <alex_fun> :)
173 2013-05-01 01:35:26 <The_Fly> i know sipa has at least...
174 2013-05-01 01:35:28 <k9quaint> too bad they were not paying you in BTC
175 2013-05-01 01:35:28 <Luke-Jr> saivann_: to make matters worse, I believe the Sirius freenode nick has expired and been registered by someone unrelated to Bitcoin
176 2013-05-01 01:35:35 <jgarzik> yeah really
177 2013-05-01 01:35:40 <saivann_> uh :-/
178 2013-05-01 01:36:39 <The_Fly> hm, back to gdb i guess
179 2013-05-01 01:36:59 <Luke-Jr> Expiration Date:18-Aug-2019 13:19:55 UTC
180 2013-05-01 01:37:04 <Luke-Jr> we have 6 years to figure it out
181 2013-05-01 01:37:06 <Luke-Jr> :P
182 2013-05-01 01:37:11 <alex_fun> lol
183 2013-05-01 01:37:19 <saivann_> Luke-Jr : Yeah the expiration date is reassuring at least :-)
184 2013-05-01 01:37:39 <sipa> The_Fly: yes :)
185 2013-05-01 01:37:56 <petertodd> do you have enough access to change nameserver info if needed?
186 2013-05-01 01:38:17 <Luke-Jr> petertodd: if anyone does, I'd expect it to be Gavin
187 2013-05-01 01:38:19 <The_Fly> when did you see it, i see it only in the multiwallet branch, i think