1 2013-08-03 05:46:00 <QuantumQrack> Anybody here know if you can install multibit without uninstalling previous ver?
2 2013-08-03 07:17:59 <pjorrit> i believe i had multiple versions installed
3 2013-08-03 07:18:19 <pjorrit> it installs to a program dir that includes version number iirc
4 2013-08-03 07:20:23 <QuantumQrack> seemed to work ok
5 2013-08-03 07:20:26 <QuantumQrack> no issues
6 2013-08-03 07:21:07 <sipa> jgarzik: ha, BFL hardware too?
7 2013-08-03 07:21:26 <jgarzik> sipa, I tried to buy one from each vendor
8 2013-08-03 07:21:34 <sipa> right, i remember that
9 2013-08-03 07:21:50 <jgarzik> ACTION needs to add bitfury, knc and asicminer to the list
10 2013-08-03 07:21:58 <sipa> wish i did that too :D
11 2013-08-03 07:22:09 <sipa> i only ordered a bfl jalapeno :p
12 2013-08-03 07:22:59 <jgarzik> in fact, I shall reboot into Linux, to enable ASICminer USB purchase (bitcoin wallet never touches this evil Windows instance ;p)
13 2013-08-03 07:25:49 <sipa> and why are you awake at 5am?
14 2013-08-03 07:27:08 <jgarzik> the wonderful life of a parent ;p The easiest way to get the 3 year old to sleep is... to fall asleep next to her. Went to sleep at 9pm or so
15 2013-08-03 07:27:38 <jgarzik> Trying to decide between SWTOR, getheaders hacking, or ASICminer purchase
16 2013-08-03 07:27:57 <sipa> where do you buy those usb asicminers? there seems almost no info on their site
17 2013-08-03 07:28:23 <sipa> swtor?
18 2013-08-03 07:28:25 <jgarzik> sipa, btcguild has a web store
19 2013-08-03 07:29:02 <jgarzik> sipa, also, I just saw a link with a discounted price, for lots of 1000. was tempting to see if I could convince BitPay to buy 1k USB miners, to give them out at trade shows or whatnot
20 2013-08-03 07:29:33 <jgarzik> http://thegenesisblock.com/asicminer-usb-bitcoin-miner-price-drops-80-to-0-175-btc/
21 2013-08-03 07:29:50 <jgarzik> also ebay has them
22 2013-08-03 07:29:59 <jgarzik> sipa, Star Wars: The Old Republic
23 2013-08-03 07:30:06 <sipa> lol
24 2013-08-03 07:30:07 <jgarzik> brilliant waste of time
25 2013-08-03 07:30:24 <sipa> i thought about software tor or something :D
26 2013-08-03 07:32:28 <sipa> they are still expensive actually
27 2013-08-03 07:32:47 <sipa> i'd need 30 to get the same hashrate as my bfl asics
28 2013-08-03 07:36:01 <sipa> power consumption per hashrate is very similar though
29 2013-08-03 07:37:35 <jgarzik> sipa, AFAICT, the ASICminer USB miners are just toys... given the price, does not appear they will ever make back hardware costs, if diff continues to increase
30 2013-08-03 07:37:44 <jgarzik> REGARDLESS
31 2013-08-03 07:37:48 <jgarzik> I just ordered 4x
32 2013-08-03 07:38:14 <jgarzik> hopefully sell a couple to the guys in the BitPay offices, as I'm sure they will be interested
33 2013-08-03 07:38:31 <jgarzik> It is also tempting to add direct support in Bitcoin-QT
34 2013-08-03 07:38:57 <jgarzik> (also as a toy feature, bringing back "Generate coins")
35 2013-08-03 07:40:32 <sipa> ;;genrate 330
36 2013-08-03 07:40:33 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 330.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 31256960.7278, is 0.00530951015576 BTC per day and 0.000221229589823 BTC per hour.
37 2013-08-03 07:40:47 <sipa> jgarzik: i'm no looking to earn money, i'm looking for an excuse to buy :p
38 2013-08-03 07:41:52 <jgarzik> hehehe
39 2013-08-03 07:42:05 <jgarzik> I am a sucker for USB toys of all sorts
40 2013-08-03 07:42:33 <jgarzik> I have a USB flash drive that appears, outwardly, to be a Yoda figurine.
41 2013-08-03 07:43:17 <jgarzik> Have another that is supposedly crush-proof and waterproof. And outside the storage realm, a USB coffee warmer.
42 2013-08-03 07:44:13 <CodeShark> I got a USB drink chiller once for a friend that I never gave to him and never opened - still in the packaging
43 2013-08-03 07:44:18 <jgarzik> Great image, a "rack" of USB bitcoin miners: http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Block-Erupter-USB-ASIC-Bitcoin-Miner-PREORDER-SHIPS-MID-AUG-NOT-BFL-/00/s/NDA5WDgwMA==/z/QwoAAOxyhSBR9e40/$T2eC16FHJHYFFkNipzgSBR9e4yqumw~~60_3.JPG
44 2013-08-03 07:45:29 <QuantumQrack> Kind of a shitty picture.
45 2013-08-03 07:46:15 <jgarzik> can't please everybody ;p
46 2013-08-03 07:47:16 <QuantumQrack> Saw a pic of something like that, except the guy had maybe 15 of those or so.
47 2013-08-03 07:47:38 <QuantumQrack> Brings making money to a whole new level.
48 2013-08-03 07:49:55 <petertodd> heh, I'd buy one if only the shipping to canada wasn't crazy with most of the vendors
49 2013-08-03 07:50:36 <sipa> just ordered some block eruptors too
50 2013-08-03 07:50:40 <sipa> 0.2 BTC shipping
51 2013-08-03 07:51:11 <petertodd> sipa: ah, better, where from?
52 2013-08-03 07:51:19 <petertodd> sipa: and was that shipping for a single unit?
53 2013-08-03 07:51:51 <sipa> that wouldn't be worth it, at 0.6 BTC/unit
54 2013-08-03 07:51:54 <CodeShark> I still feel like I'm way too late and not enough of a hardware guy to get excited about mining
55 2013-08-03 07:52:01 <sipa> i ordered 6
56 2013-08-03 07:52:32 <sipa> petertodd: given that shipping in the US is free, my guess is they're shipping from the US :)
57 2013-08-03 07:52:39 <petertodd> sipa: stupid canada
58 2013-08-03 07:52:50 <jgarzik> btcguild is US-based
59 2013-08-03 07:52:52 <sipa> queue position 245!
60 2013-08-03 07:53:01 <sipa> way better than BFL at the time :D
61 2013-08-03 07:53:17 <jgarzik> position 244!
62 2013-08-03 07:53:57 <jgarzik> ETA Aug 14-21 </btcguild>
63 2013-08-03 07:53:57 <petertodd> oh well, a co-worker has a US mailbox right on the border - might be able to ship one there... I'm not willing to pay high shipping on top of a financially bad decision
64 2013-08-03 07:54:07 <sipa> same
65 2013-08-03 07:54:34 <jgarzik> ACTION tries that sleep thing *poof*
66 2013-08-03 09:04:58 <warren> sipa: how goes the non-standard disconnected transactions issue?
67 2013-08-03 09:12:44 <sipa> warren: i have a potential fix, but it will be very hard to test/reproduce
68 2013-08-03 09:12:59 <sipa> as it took months to occur on the real network, it seems
69 2013-08-03 09:15:28 <warren> should be easy to reproduce on testnet right?
70 2013-08-03 09:15:52 <warren> and with two nodes, one patched, one unpatched, both mining
71 2013-08-03 09:17:58 <sipa> given some work to set up a test, yes
72 2013-08-03 09:18:30 <sipa> you need a reorganization of a block that contains a non-standard transaction, whose outputs are spent by a mempool transaction
73 2013-08-03 09:18:39 <sipa> and testnet has no non-standard transactions iirc
74 2013-08-03 09:18:56 <sipa> but you change that of course
75 2013-08-03 09:43:51 <warren> sipa: I'll see if one of my team can be convinced to do it. I'm swamped with thesis, but I'm concerned that this is confirmed and fixed.
76 2013-08-03 09:44:24 <warren> hmm, might be easier with testnet-in-a-box if the difficulty on real testnet3 is high.
77 2013-08-03 09:44:32 <sipa> no reason to assume there's another problem here
78 2013-08-03 09:45:02 <warren> what do you mean?
79 2013-08-03 09:45:26 <arioBarzan> hi guys, could anyone help me and look briefly to my code for adding a RPC command called 'eraseprivkey' ? I would appreciate if you could give any advice about the code: http://bit.ly/15ojLpR
80 2013-08-03 09:46:00 <sipa> warren: everything i've seen about it points towards the bug i found
81 2013-08-03 09:46:29 <warren> sipa: although it'd be nice for confirmation right?
82 2013-08-03 09:46:42 <sipa> of course
83 2013-08-03 09:54:31 <warren> hmm, testnet-in-box, do you need another node connected at all in order to mine?
84 2013-08-03 09:54:35 <sipa> yes
85 2013-08-03 10:09:29 <warren> hmm, it would be nice to have a single flag that allows you to run testnet but with the same IsStandard enforcement.
86 2013-08-03 10:09:59 <warren> or why not have IsStandard enabled by default, and have a separate flag to turn it off while in testnet?
87 2013-08-03 10:10:14 <warren> that'll allow testnet to be a more realistic test by default
88 2013-08-03 10:10:41 <petertodd> warren: luke-jr proposed a -acceptnonstd flag ages ago, but that was nixed - you'd have to re-instate it
89 2013-08-03 10:11:01 <petertodd> one advantage of testnet having non-std txs is it forces applications to be forward compatible
90 2013-08-03 10:11:07 <warren> did he propose it for mainnet too? (I'm not)
91 2013-08-03 10:11:32 <petertodd> he did - point is having the code at all means it's trivial to turn it on for mainnet
92 2013-08-03 10:11:53 <petertodd> -acceptnonstd isn't actually quite as trivial as you'd think
93 2013-08-03 10:12:05 <warren> ugh, I'm falling down another rabbit hole, this is why i'm weeks late on thesis
94 2013-08-03 10:12:10 <sipa> how so?
95 2013-08-03 10:12:12 <warren> I keep being distracted by another shiny.
96 2013-08-03 10:12:16 <sipa> hehe
97 2013-08-03 10:12:22 <sipa> warren: good luck!
98 2013-08-03 10:12:28 <petertodd> /ignore warren
99 2013-08-03 10:12:31 <petertodd> :P
100 2013-08-03 10:12:49 <sipa> petertodd: if (fAcceptNonStandard) return true; in IsStandard() ?
101 2013-08-03 10:12:52 <warren> I'm afraid that I broke something and with OCD look every few minutes.
102 2013-08-03 10:13:02 <petertodd> warren: you'll get over it
103 2013-08-03 10:13:19 <petertodd> sipa: you also need to take sigops into account
104 2013-08-03 10:13:20 <warren> I could write some kind of heuristic alarm that sends me a SMS if something bad happens.
105 2013-08-03 10:13:45 <petertodd> warren: "heuristic alarm" <- sounds shiny
106 2013-08-03 10:13:51 <sipa> petertodd: those are a network rule, not an isstandard one?
107 2013-08-03 10:14:01 <warren> if (#bitcoin-dev has people talking about fork or crash) send sms;
108 2013-08-03 10:14:27 <petertodd> sipa: right, but to have a effective -acceptnonstd you do want to take that stuff into account so you aren't accepting truly bogus txs
109 2013-08-03 10:14:43 <sipa> sure?
110 2013-08-03 10:14:55 <sipa> but why is that relevant
111 2013-08-03 10:15:07 <sipa> sigop limits arent implemented in isstandard
112 2013-08-03 10:15:09 <sipa> afaik
113 2013-08-03 10:15:10 <warren> I wrote a test plan to test sipa's patch, but then I realized it's annoying to selectively disable the testnet boolean, it should be an option, so it became another shiny.
114 2013-08-03 10:15:36 <warren> then I realized I lost 30 minutes, it's 2am and I need to STOP and work on thesis
115 2013-08-03 10:15:37 <petertodd> sipa: They are in effect, because they limit the *range* of sigops per byte you'll ever see, which means fees can be compared sanely
116 2013-08-03 10:15:47 <petertodd> warren: go away
117 2013-08-03 10:15:51 <warren> yes sir
118 2013-08-03 10:16:11 <sipa> need kicking? :p
119 2013-08-03 10:16:15 <petertodd> DO IT
120 2013-08-03 10:16:34 <warren> No. Closing IRC and blocking TCP port to znc.
121 2013-08-03 10:16:43 <petertodd> heh
122 2013-08-03 10:16:47 <petertodd> +1 internets
123 2013-08-03 10:16:54 <warren> well, I'd like the log to read when i'm back
124 2013-08-03 10:16:58 <warren> ok, bye
125 2013-08-03 10:17:00 <petertodd> I'll send you it
126 2013-08-03 10:17:01 <sipa> haha
127 2013-08-03 10:17:16 <petertodd> excuses
128 2013-08-03 10:18:16 <petertodd> see this is why the first time you heard anything bitcoin from me was just after final exams last year - even though I'd been following bitcoin since late 2009
129 2013-08-03 10:18:31 <petertodd> er, still failed that course mind...
130 2013-08-03 10:19:53 <sipa> i mostly paused working on bitcoin to when i was writing my thesis
131 2013-08-03 10:20:27 <petertodd> when was that?
132 2013-08-03 10:20:31 <petertodd> (thesis)
133 2013-08-03 10:20:54 <sipa> 2011
134 2013-08-03 10:21:15 <petertodd> topic?
135 2013-08-03 10:21:34 <sipa> functional abstractions for constraint programming
136 2013-08-03 10:21:42 <sipa> well, that was the title
137 2013-08-03 10:21:47 <petertodd> ah, magic
138 2013-08-03 10:21:54 <sipa> meh :)
139 2013-08-03 10:22:24 <sipa> i don't think it ever really motivated me as much as i would have liked
140 2013-08-03 10:22:46 <petertodd> why not?
141 2013-08-03 10:23:22 <sipa> i wish i knew :)
142 2013-08-03 10:24:11 <petertodd> probably not as directly useful as bitcoin :)
143 2013-08-03 10:24:49 <sipa> hardly useful
144 2013-08-03 12:42:23 <Vinnie_win> sup folks
145 2013-08-03 12:44:05 <CodeShark> hello, vinnie
146 2013-08-03 12:44:13 <Vinnie_win> Oh!!!
147 2013-08-03 12:44:47 <Vinnie_win> I'm stuck on an obscure template compile error
148 2013-08-03 12:44:58 <CodeShark> I hate those :p
149 2013-08-03 12:45:11 <Vinnie_win> care to look?
150 2013-08-03 12:45:27 <CodeShark> not really :p
151 2013-08-03 12:46:01 <CodeShark> I'm not as big a generic programming buff as you anyhow
152 2013-08-03 12:46:05 <Vinnie_win> I put a wrapper on asio
153 2013-08-03 12:46:43 <Vinnie_win> All you do is take your existing, working asio code and wrap it with my stuff and it will automatically generate compile errors.
154 2013-08-03 12:47:11 <c0rw1n> (and that differs from STL how?)
155 2013-08-03 12:55:39 <CodeShark> sorry, vinnie - not sure how helpful I'd be without having to focus pretty intently for a while and my head's on a different problem right now (although I'd probably learn something out of it)
156 2013-08-03 13:28:21 <Vinnie_win> by some miracle I figured it out
157 2013-08-03 13:35:49 <Vinnie_win> or not.. *sigh*
158 2013-08-03 13:54:24 <Cory> "The original getwork protocol only provides a single block header, which is sufficient for a total of about 4 GH of mining." What is the limitation?
159 2013-08-03 13:54:30 <Cory> Also, I hear it's possible for a pool to send block-solving shares to certain miners. How does that work? Is there somewhere I can read about what exactly pools send to miners to solve?
160 2013-08-03 15:53:51 <arioBarzan> I have forked 0.8.3 then requested pull/2875 and got many sanity errors. Did I have to fork master branch instead of 0.8.3 branch?
161 2013-08-03 16:35:32 <arioBarzan> Could anybody help me please? I got lots of sanity-testing errors: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2875
162 2013-08-03 16:37:32 <sipa> arioBarzan: yes, you should work on master, not 0.8.3
163 2013-08-03 16:37:51 <sipa> pulltester tries to integrate your changes in current head, which will lead to conflicts
164 2013-08-03 16:39:19 <arioBarzan> sipa: Now I choose master branch, and then add those changes one-by-one and commit again, and request a new pull. Is this what should I do?
165 2013-08-03 16:39:46 <sipa> you can just push to your original branch, the associated pull request will be updated
166 2013-08-03 16:39:58 <arioBarzan> sipa: thanks
167 2013-08-03 22:56:29 <sipa> github down?
168 2013-08-03 23:01:43 <coingenuity> ;;isitdown github.com
169 2013-08-03 23:01:46 <gribble> github.com is down
170 2013-08-03 23:02:04 <lianj> fine here again. its always just a couple of minutes down
171 2013-08-03 23:05:04 <sipa> ;;isitdown status.github.com
172 2013-08-03 23:05:07 <gribble> status.github.com is down
173 2013-08-03 23:06:37 <lianj> ;;isitdown 204.232.175.90
174 2013-08-03 23:06:40 <gribble> 204.232.175.90 is down
175 2013-08-03 23:07:02 <lianj> must be your routes :P
176 2013-08-03 23:13:28 <lianj> http://i.imgur.com/lJ1c07b.png
177 2013-08-03 23:28:36 <denisx> can I speed up a reindex with -checklevel=0 ?
178 2013-08-03 23:31:26 <c0rw1n> wo'ho'how, github under ddos. When are we going to see a bittorrent-level resilient meshnet of users to fucking serve a website?
179 2013-08-03 23:31:58 <warren> denisx: -dbcache=1000
180 2013-08-03 23:37:25 <maaku> Cory: the size of the nonce field is the limitation
181 2013-08-03 23:39:45 <sipa> denisx: -checklevel only influences the consistency check at startup
182 2013-08-03 23:39:48 <sipa> den
183 2013-08-03 23:40:02 <denisx> ah, ok
184 2013-08-03 23:40:03 <sipa> denisx: -dbcache will help a lot
185 2013-08-03 23:40:05 <Luke-Jr> Cory: make it larger :p
186 2013-08-03 23:42:19 <denisx> sipa: is dbcache good before the checkpoint or after or both?
187 2013-08-03 23:43:50 <nsh> does anyone know why exactly github keeps getting ddos'd?
188 2013-08-03 23:44:04 <nsh> has anyone indicated the exact nature of the stupidity?
189 2013-08-03 23:52:16 <warren> denisx: use it once when you need to index all or a significant part of the blockchain quickly. Then stop bitcoin and remove the option.