1 2013-09-27 03:29:35 <warren> michagogo|cloud: boost*.zip is not deterministic
2 2013-09-27 03:59:05 <Urushiol> is this the suitable place to inquire about functionality of Armory?
3 2013-09-27 04:02:18 <gmaxwell> you could try, ... an armory channel would be better, but I don't know if one exists.
4 2013-09-27 04:02:52 <Urushiol> I looked and it doesn't seem that it does.
5 2013-09-27 08:09:36 <michagogo> cloud|<warren> michagogo|cloud: boost*.zip is not deterministic
6 2013-09-27 08:10:10 <michagogo> cloud|Yeah, found that out by going to gitian.sigs and comparing in_manifests
7 2013-09-27 08:30:07 <warren> michagogo|cloud: qt isn't either
8 2013-09-27 08:30:24 <michagogo> cloud|Same.
9 2013-09-27 08:30:35 <michagogo> cloud|The deps appear to be, though
10 2013-09-27 08:33:00 <warren> I'm waiting for someone to commit the win32 gitian patch so it can be safely built upon.
11 2013-09-27 08:33:17 <warren> It looks like multiple people want to fix release-process.md ...
12 2013-09-27 08:51:46 <michagogo> cloud|warren: if you're interested in the process of my getting the gitian builds to run in lxc, feel free to join ##michagogo-gitian
13 2013-09-27 08:52:18 <michagogo> cloud|I've gotten it apparently working, and built qt and boost
14 2013-09-27 08:52:24 <michagogo> cloud|But the deps failed.
15 2013-09-27 08:52:34 <sipa> what failed?
16 2013-09-27 08:53:19 <michagogo> cloud|sipa: the build script, at the gbuild level
17 2013-09-27 08:53:25 <michagogo> cloud|I'll get you the pastebin a
18 2013-09-27 08:53:39 <michagogo> cloud|s/ a/s/
19 2013-09-27 08:53:44 <michagogo> cloud|Stupid autocorrect
20 2013-09-27 14:15:16 <DiabloD3> http://reason.com/blog/2013/09/25/feds-steal-35k-from-small-grocers-bank-a
21 2013-09-27 14:45:50 <nkuttler> i guess there's no way to use encryptwallet without restarting the bitcoind?
22 2013-09-27 14:46:48 <sipa> it needs to rewrite your wallet.dat file, as your old keys are otherwise available in it
23 2013-09-27 14:46:58 <sipa> it can't do that while the file is opemn
24 2013-09-27 14:47:42 <nkuttler> ok. was just wondering as i write tests against the api and restarting the deamon.. well.. i'll have to see how to do that
25 2013-09-27 14:51:32 <helo> assuming the correct headers and libs are available, should non-gitian './autogen.sh && ./configure && make' still work?
26 2013-09-27 14:53:01 <sipa> yes
27 2013-09-27 14:53:19 <michagogo> sipa: Do you have a gitian setup?
28 2013-09-27 14:53:53 <sipa> michagogo: yes, but not here
29 2013-09-27 14:53:57 <sipa> and it may not work anymore
30 2013-09-27 14:54:08 <michagogo> Will you be at it within the next 26 hours?
31 2013-09-27 14:54:45 <sipa> yes
32 2013-09-27 14:55:48 <michagogo> Would you mind pulling the latest gitian-builder and making sure that as of `git checkout v0.8.5` in bitcoin the win32 deps descriptor still works?
33 2013-09-27 14:56:23 <michagogo> It failed to build, and devrandom said that it looked to him like a problem in the build, not the gitian system
34 2013-09-27 14:56:36 <michagogo> (if you look in ##michagogo-gitian you can see the pastebins of the logs from there
35 2013-09-27 14:56:38 <michagogo> )
36 2013-09-27 14:57:12 <sipa> how were the 0.8.5 release binaries built otherwise?
37 2013-09-27 14:57:27 <michagogo> sipa: Does everyone rebuild the deps zip every time?
38 2013-09-27 14:57:31 <sipa> no
39 2013-09-27 14:57:33 <michagogo> right
40 2013-09-27 14:57:42 <sipa> oh, now i see
41 2013-09-27 14:57:46 <michagogo> in theory, if it really is broken...
42 2013-09-27 14:57:48 <sipa> i'll try this weekend
43 2013-09-27 14:58:10 <michagogo> but there *were* some errors in the install.log (where it gets the packages)
44 2013-09-27 14:58:32 <michagogo> So idk, and Shabbat's about to start, so I g2g
45 2013-09-27 14:59:25 <helo> should make be trying to mkdir /src?
46 2013-09-27 15:00:03 <sipa> helo: eh?
47 2013-09-27 15:00:09 <sipa> src should already exist anyway?
48 2013-09-27 15:01:49 <helo> note this is /src, not ./src
49 2013-09-27 15:02:32 <sipa> eh? :o
50 2013-09-27 15:05:40 <helo> apparently during the building of obj/build.h, fairly late in the build process
51 2013-09-27 15:42:21 <cfields> helo: this is an issue with current master?
52 2013-09-27 15:43:37 <helo> on this machine, at least... pretty standard raring ubuntu though
53 2013-09-27 15:43:47 <helo> i'll try it on my other raring machine at home this evening
54 2013-09-27 15:44:26 <helo> i've built plenty of times before autotools
55 2013-09-27 15:45:19 <cfields> happens every time on that machine?
56 2013-09-27 15:45:42 <helo> yes
57 2013-09-27 15:46:19 <helo> i've attempted the distclean, autogen, configure, make process several times
58 2013-09-27 15:46:27 <cfields> could you please pastebin the output of a busted make?
59 2013-09-27 15:47:57 <helo> i'll paste the end of make -d, because the full debug output is humongous
60 2013-09-27 15:48:10 <helo> pastebin, that is
61 2013-09-27 15:49:18 <cfields> no debug, just regular make
62 2013-09-27 15:51:02 <helo> ok, doing a make clean first so it will be more useful
63 2013-09-27 16:00:08 <helo> http://goo.gl/orZgPY
64 2013-09-27 16:00:52 <helo> cfields: ^
65 2013-09-27 16:02:35 <cfields> helo: erm, are you building out-of-tree ?
66 2013-09-27 16:03:44 <helo> i'm building from bitcoin/
67 2013-09-27 16:04:00 <helo> well, that one is inside bitcoin/src
68 2013-09-27 16:06:03 <cfields> helo: grep abs_top_builddir /media/dump/Downloads/bitcoin/src | head -1
69 2013-09-27 16:06:09 <cfields> er
70 2013-09-27 16:06:14 <cfields> helo: grep abs_top_builddir /media/dump/Downloads/bitcoin/src/Makefile | head -1
71 2013-09-27 16:08:46 <helo> @$(MKDIR_P) $(abs_top_builddir)/src/obj
72 2013-09-27 16:09:49 <cfields> Makefile. not Makefile.am
73 2013-09-27 16:11:42 <helo> i pasted the command verbatim... that is Makefile
74 2013-09-27 16:11:58 <helo> that would explain the problem i guess :)
75 2013-09-27 16:13:02 <helo> let me clone a clean copy of master...
76 2013-09-27 16:14:05 <cfields> no need, distclean is good enough
77 2013-09-27 16:14:20 <helo> already did that... same result :/
78 2013-09-27 16:14:42 <cfields> in src/Makefile.am, change abs_top_builddir to top_builddir
79 2013-09-27 16:14:47 <cfields> then reconfigure and make
80 2013-09-27 16:14:54 <helo> k
81 2013-09-27 16:15:11 <cfields> if that fixes, we can research why you're not getting abs_top_builddir
82 2013-09-27 16:21:47 <helo> that built bitcoind, with a similar problem building qt/
83 2013-09-27 16:22:33 <helo> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/commits-list/2009-August/msg08366.html seems similar, but it seems doubtful i'm using an autconf that is very different from precise
84 2013-09-27 16:22:41 <helo> autoconf 2.69 here
85 2013-09-27 16:23:31 <cfields> problem with rcc, i'm guessing?
86 2013-09-27 16:24:09 <cfields> ah nm, several possibilities there
87 2013-09-27 16:25:23 <cfields> i suspect some kind of pebkac here, i've never had any issues building on raring
88 2013-09-27 16:25:54 <sipa> same
89 2013-09-27 16:25:56 <helo> probably so...
90 2013-09-27 16:26:35 <helo> as long as i can get it to build, i'm satisfied. thanks for the help :)
91 2013-09-27 16:26:38 <cfields> if there is an issue with some autoconf/automake and abs_top_builddir it can be avoided, but i'd like to get to the bottom of why first
92 2013-09-27 16:27:06 <cfields> helo: would you mind pasting your config.log ?
93 2013-09-27 16:27:22 <helo> not at all
94 2013-09-27 16:27:57 <helo> any chance --with-incompatible-bdb could cause this?
95 2013-09-27 16:28:19 <sipa> i'm using that flag as well
96 2013-09-27 16:28:45 <cfields> helo: nope, using it here too
97 2013-09-27 16:28:50 <cfields> it's some autoconf/automake weirdness
98 2013-09-27 16:29:14 <cfields> any chance you have something funny in your env? using a non-standard shell? exported PWD? etc?
99 2013-09-27 16:34:47 <helo> hmm... i have a couple duplicated entries in $PATH. /me wonders why .bashrc is being executed twice
100 2013-09-27 16:34:55 <helo> http://goo.gl/eXY1TB
101 2013-09-27 16:35:56 <cfields> do 'env' and study it
102 2013-09-27 16:36:07 <cfields> there's a really good chance you have something funky in there due to android
103 2013-09-27 17:26:58 <devrandom> warren: michagogo|cloud: sorry I haven't noticed mentions of my name in here. I have "gitian" hilighted, and recently it's been a lot of msgs, so I tended to tune-out mentions.
104 2013-09-27 17:29:15 <devrandom> warren: michagogo|cloud: let me know if I can be of further help with gitian effort
105 2013-09-27 18:13:53 <nsh> (can't you have different colours for different mentions, devrandom?)
106 2013-09-27 18:15:40 <Luke-Jr> today is GNU's 30th birthday <.<
107 2013-09-27 18:22:40 <eoss> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4HGVJjqDVk
108 2013-09-27 18:29:45 <devrandom> (nsh - will look into it)
109 2013-09-27 19:00:56 <helo> ACTION wonders why his 27 connection node's debug.log is nearly silent
110 2013-09-27 19:02:01 <chmod755> helo, bitcoin-qt / bitcoind?
111 2013-09-27 19:02:06 <helo> bitcoind
112 2013-09-27 19:05:14 <helo> it's very markedly different... if log verbosity has not been reduced, something is amok
113 2013-09-27 19:05:55 <helo> not seeing any requests for tx/block data from any peers
114 2013-09-27 19:09:39 <sphered> hi
115 2013-09-27 19:09:59 <chmod755> helo, hmmm...indeed
116 2013-09-27 19:11:16 <sphered> im developing a coin and i need to send % of coins in block when mined to goto a list of addresses how can i code this?
117 2013-09-27 19:11:32 <chmod755> sphered, with C++
118 2013-09-27 19:11:42 <sphered> yes
119 2013-09-27 19:12:22 <sphered> any idea
120 2013-09-27 19:13:42 <sphered> anyone?
121 2013-09-27 19:16:15 <sipa> helo: default verbosity is reduced indeed
122 2013-09-27 19:16:36 <chmod755> sipa, i don't get any messages with -debug -debugnet
123 2013-09-27 19:16:57 <sipa> use -debug=net
124 2013-09-27 19:17:04 <chmod755> oh. hmm
125 2013-09-27 19:17:18 <sphered> chmod755 sent you a message
126 2013-09-27 19:29:10 <sphered> im developing a coin and i need to send % of coins in block when mined to goto a list of addresses how can i code this?
127 2013-09-27 19:30:32 <helo> ;(
128 2013-09-27 19:30:39 <sphered> hi
129 2013-09-27 19:30:56 <sipa> sphered: if you're serious about creating an own altcoin based on an existing codebase, please learn that codebase and its programming language first
130 2013-09-27 19:31:27 <chmod755> sounds like a new currency with built-in taxation
131 2013-09-27 19:31:33 <sphered> k i have already begun
132 2013-09-27 19:31:50 <sphered> learning just wondering if anyone could help me with this
133 2013-09-27 19:32:56 <sphered> i have learn't alot and already made many modifcations to the code just stuck with this one
134 2013-09-27 19:33:34 <sphered> sipa: do you know?
135 2013-09-27 19:37:37 <sipa> sphered: i would consider it a waste of your and my time
136 2013-09-27 19:39:18 <sphered> sipa: wow you so helpful (sarcasm) - you could have just helped me out. but fine troll around
137 2013-09-27 19:46:27 <nsh> sphered, i would give up now
138 2013-09-27 19:46:34 <nsh> sphered, there are easier ways to make money
139 2013-09-27 19:46:57 <sphered> its not just about the money. and i don't give up.
140 2013-09-27 19:48:07 <sphered> but thanks for your concernce nsh
141 2013-09-27 19:48:20 <sipa> there are many interesting possibilities to be explored in cryptocurrencies still, and there are a ton of ideas that are very hard to implement in bitcoin, as they represent a potentially large economic change; many are on the https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Hardfork_Wishlist page, but there are even more exotic things people think about
142 2013-09-27 19:48:24 <nsh> np, my concernce are freely given
143 2013-09-27 19:48:42 <nsh> ACTION reads https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Hardfork_Wishlist
144 2013-09-27 19:48:58 <sipa> if you're interesting in doing any of those, or come up with an actual potential improvement, i'm all ears, and will help you any way i can
145 2013-09-27 19:49:30 <sipa> but if all you want to do is tweak some economic parameters, or minor constants, like pretty much every altcoin out there, i really couldn't care less
146 2013-09-27 19:50:12 <sipa> nor do i believe that without significant changes that technically improve the system, you have any change of gaining much of an economy anyway
147 2013-09-27 19:50:30 <sphered> sipa: my aim is not to make some clone. More modified sorcecode so far has many changes.
148 2013-09-27 19:50:37 <gmaxwell> even the "we get a cut of all the coins" crap has been done several times. SC, Devcoin, and I think freicoin are all examples of that.
149 2013-09-27 19:51:00 <sphered> however this feature sending % of coins to adress is one of a few
150 2013-09-27 19:51:23 <sipa> you understand that 'an address' doesn't even exist at the bitcoin protocol level/
151 2013-09-27 19:51:31 <gmaxwell> sphered: If you're stuck figuring out how to add code to constrain coinbase outputs and aren't even able to articulate your problem as a specific technical issue in the language of the code, I'm really doubtful that any of your changes are interesting.
152 2013-09-27 19:52:01 <chmod755> gmaxwell++
153 2013-09-27 19:52:08 <sipa> feel free to discuss changes you intend to make
154 2013-09-27 19:52:22 <sipa> if you think they're actually beneficial
155 2013-09-27 19:52:38 <sphered> my changes are interesing. but what you guys dont seem to understand is that in order to make a successful crypto currency you dont need to have 800 pages of extra code
156 2013-09-27 19:52:46 <sphered> ok.
157 2013-09-27 19:52:49 <sphered> so firstly
158 2013-09-27 19:53:04 <sipa> i'm sure that if i'd write an altcoin, there result would be a much smaller codebase than bitcoin currently has
159 2013-09-27 19:53:11 <sipa> there is a ton of legacy stuff you don't need
160 2013-09-27 19:53:39 <sphered> inflation. Simple enough. my coin will and does have an algorithm that makes sure inflation is at a pre-determined level
161 2013-09-27 19:53:55 <gmaxwell> so do half a dozen other useless altcoins.
162 2013-09-27 19:53:59 <sipa> fair enough, so does bitcoin
163 2013-09-27 19:54:08 <sipa> any actual technical changes?
164 2013-09-27 19:54:13 <sphered> price control mechanisim
165 2013-09-27 19:54:32 <sipa> how do you do that without central party that guarantees an exchange rate?
166 2013-09-27 19:55:26 <sphered> this price mechanism once enabled will prevent the pump and dump however can''t be enabled until the price of the coin is chosen by the markets
167 2013-09-27 19:55:39 <sipa> you haven't answered my question
168 2013-09-27 19:56:13 <sphered> the mechanism don't keep the coins in a fixed position or fixed cost but stop spikes.
169 2013-09-27 19:56:37 <sipa> and how would you do that?
170 2013-09-27 19:56:43 <sphered> a liquid reserve will be built
171 2013-09-27 19:56:47 <gmaxwell> It also gives every needy child a free kitten, bringing happiness and ending hunger.
172 2013-09-27 19:56:54 <sipa> sphered: by whom?
173 2013-09-27 19:56:56 <sphered> mix of bitcoins and the new currency
174 2013-09-27 19:57:10 <sphered> me
175 2013-09-27 19:57:27 <gmaxwell> sphered: so... why not have this reserve bank ("you") just keep track of all accounts and eliminate the mess and complexity of a blockchain?
176 2013-09-27 19:57:27 <sipa> ok, so you're the dictator of the currency, who will be able to control its price?
177 2013-09-27 19:57:35 <chmod755> fractional reserve coin lol
178 2013-09-27 19:57:43 <chmod755> FRC is already taken iirc
179 2013-09-27 19:58:04 <sipa> BBC... benbernankecoin
180 2013-09-27 19:58:14 <sphered> yes and no. the system will take care of it.
181 2013-09-27 19:58:28 <sipa> right :D
182 2013-09-27 19:58:35 <sphered> :/
183 2013-09-27 19:58:57 <gmaxwell> This conversation is maximally boring.
184 2013-09-27 19:59:30 <sphered> anyway i dont want to go into too much detail. sipa i would like it if you could help but if you don't want to please say so. so that i don't waste my time
185 2013-09-27 19:59:45 <sipa> i'm not interested
186 2013-09-27 19:59:52 <sphered> great cheers
187 2013-09-27 20:00:00 <chmod755> sphered, make a bitcoin gambling website with a house-edge of 100% instead
188 2013-09-27 20:04:09 <erska_> those ideas sounded pretty similar to solidcoin / microcash.. that didn't work out too well either
189 2013-09-27 20:59:29 <midnightmagic> +1 benbernankecoin
190 2013-09-27 20:59:59 <midnightmagic> aw he left :(
191 2013-09-27 21:00:49 <sipa> you can answer here: http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/13497/send-coins-to-accounts
192 2013-09-27 21:57:17 <Vinnie_win> Guys question, I need to put together a virtual appliance so that I can test the ripple build with many different combinations of compiler, boost version, standard library version, and other external dependency versions do you have any tips on how to do that? Is gitian a good choice? I like that it uses virtual machines...does the bitcoin build process test the build using a fresh virtual
193 2013-09-27 21:57:17 <Vinnie_win> machine corresponding to each target os?
194 2013-09-27 22:05:35 <sipa> Vinnie_win: gitian is so we have a reproducible build environment
195 2013-09-27 22:05:49 <sipa> Vinnie_win: so that anyone (with some effort...) can reproduce the release binaries
196 2013-09-27 22:06:01 <sipa> and be sure they are produced from the published source code
197 2013-09-27 22:31:15 <Vinnie_win> Thanks
198 2013-09-27 23:06:42 <maaku> i'm trying to bundle up the Mac dmg, and I get the following error:
199 2013-09-27 23:06:42 <maaku> subprocess.CalledProcessError: Command '['install_name_tool', '-change', '/opt/local/lib/libjpeg.9.dylib', '@executable_path/../Frameworks/libjpeg.9.dylib', 'dist/Bitcoin-Qt.app/Contents/Frameworks/libtiff.5.dylib']' returned non-zero exit status 1
200 2013-09-27 23:06:49 <maaku> am i missing a step?
201 2013-09-27 23:07:09 <warren> gmaxwell: jgarzik: FWIW, we just got a report from a MacOS X user with encrypted partitions of what sounds like corrupted blocks on disk, -reindex doesn't fix it. We're giving him a build to test the second fsync patch.
202 2013-09-27 23:08:51 <sipa> warren: if the blocks are corrupted on disk, nothing will help but downloading the blocks again
203 2013-09-27 23:10:46 <warren> sipa: I know. It happened to him 3 times in a row when we've been unable to reproduce it at all. doesn't that second fsync patch have to do with corrupted on-disk blocks?
204 2013-09-27 23:10:52 <warren> or preventing it rather
205 2013-09-27 23:10:59 <warren> anyway, we'll have him test it soon
206 2013-09-27 23:11:21 <maaku> warren:failing disk?
207 2013-09-27 23:12:00 <warren> maaku: user reports only encrypted partition and reproducing the failure repeatedly, needing to wipe blocks each time
208 2013-09-27 23:13:51 <Neozonz> warren, have the user check memory
209 2013-09-27 23:14:08 <Neozonz> could be bad ram
210 2013-09-27 23:15:57 <warren> Neozonz: there is a known MacOS X corruption issue https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/2770
211 2013-09-27 23:18:23 <warren> Neozonz: the user reports -reindex fails at the same place each try, so it sounds like corrupted blocks
212 2013-09-27 23:18:40 <maaku> found the problem, needs -headerpad_max_install_names in LDFLAGS for RELEASE build
213 2013-09-27 23:48:22 <Neozonz> ah