1 2013-10-09 00:15:16 <Luke-Jr> sipa: I don't mean to be impatient, but is there something holding up HD wallets in bitcoind?
  2 2013-10-09 00:15:32 <Luke-Jr> kinda a minimum requirement for Trezor and such
  3 2013-10-09 06:26:43 <Eneerge> is there anyway to unload a driver in memory in windows without rebooting when the driver file no longer exists?
  4 2013-10-09 06:26:48 <Eneerge> forcibly
  5 2013-10-09 06:26:55 <Eneerge> i can uninstall in devmgmt but it wants to reboot
  6 2013-10-09 06:27:38 <Luke-Jr> Eneerge: uhh, off topic?
  7 2013-10-09 08:18:54 <phedny> when I do a sendrawtransaction through JSON-RPC for a tx that is already in the memorypool, does bitcoind transmit the transaction to connected peers again?
  8 2013-10-09 11:33:31 <dizko> wont it error?   ive never intentionally tried but ive had problems where my app tried to send something it had already gotten to
  9 2013-10-09 11:54:41 <jeremias> is there way to use sendmany so that it will send from all accounts?
 10 2013-10-09 11:54:48 <jeremias> eg. similar to sendtoaddress
 11 2013-10-09 11:57:54 <sipa> jeremias: use move
 12 2013-10-09 11:58:15 <sipa> there is no single command to do it, but correcting afterwards using move will have the exact same effect
 13 2013-10-09 12:19:45 <michagogo> cloud|phedny: it will reject the transaction
 14 2013-10-09 12:20:21 <michagogo> cloud|The annoying thing is that it's just the standard "tx rejected"
 15 2013-10-09 12:21:08 <michagogo> cloud|I wish that error were more verbose, though more detailed information is printed to debug.log
 16 2013-10-09 12:21:52 <wumpus> wasn't there some pull that improved the reject reasons?
 17 2013-10-09 12:22:35 <michagogo> cloud|Was there? I think I filed that as an issue way back when
 18 2013-10-09 12:22:38 <wumpus> sipa: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/3072
 19 2013-10-09 12:23:06 <wumpus> michagogo|cloud: I only vaguely remember and I'm not sure it fixed that specific problem, but I remember discussion about it before
 20 2013-10-09 12:25:52 <michagogo> cloud|Hmm, there is issue 2512
 21 2013-10-09 12:28:04 <CodeShark> wumpus: nice :)
 22 2013-10-09 13:00:38 <flibbr-dev> anyone know why when I try to run abe block explorer I'm getting socket.error [error 98] address already in use... I have port in abe.conf to be that of my mysql open port.. ?
 23 2013-10-09 13:19:42 <flibbr-dev> is it just me who can't get onto bitcointalk.org still ? anyone else having issues ?
 24 2013-10-09 13:20:06 <helo> flibbr-dev: this isn't a support channel
 25 2013-10-09 13:21:02 <flibbr-dev> ...
 26 2013-10-09 13:22:37 <flibbr-dev> seems I can get on bitcointalk on lynx just not on my windows box.
 27 2013-10-09 13:25:23 <SomeoneWeird> flibbr-dev, .. this is not a support channel
 28 2013-10-09 13:25:51 <flibbr-dev> yeah, I heard the first time and I felt such comment not worthy of counter argueing.
 29 2013-10-09 13:26:26 <SomeoneWeird> well, keep things on topic pls
 30 2013-10-09 13:28:21 <flibbr-dev> I thought asking a query about abe, biting bitcoin-dev, people might be experienced and have info, I also requested if anyone can access bitcointalk - again, perfectly legitimate query, to which no helpful reply came, only 'this isnt a support' channel. So I don't feel I've committed any crime or done no wrong.
 31 2013-10-09 13:29:19 <_dr> re secg curves: how do i know which curves to trust? apparently nist curves are out of the question. who came up with the secp256k1 params?
 32 2013-10-09 13:29:50 <CodesInChaos> Curves like secp256k1 have very little choice for its parameters
 33 2013-10-09 13:30:05 <_dr> CodesInChaos: why is that?
 34 2013-10-09 13:30:50 <helo> flibbr-dev: you aren't getting an answer because people don't want people asking support questions in here... i was letting you know that you'll probably have better luck elsewhere, not trying to admonish
 35 2013-10-09 13:31:36 <wumpus> yes this is bitcoin-dev, not bitcointalk-dev
 36 2013-10-09 13:32:36 <gmaxwell> _dr: because they're ~all fixed by performance considerations.
 37 2013-10-09 13:32:59 <gmaxwell> _dr: go see the nice thread on bitcointalk if this is interesting to you.
 38 2013-10-09 13:33:28 <CodesInChaos> it has a=0 and b=7, very small values (little choice). The prime offers a bit of choice, but not very much either
 39 2013-10-09 13:34:49 <_dr> CodesInChaos: okay. but do the constants, although limited in choice, still originate from the nsa?
 40 2013-10-09 13:38:39 <CodesInChaos> I don't care much who chose a curve, what matters that degrees of freedom are small enough
 41 2013-10-09 13:41:10 <_dr> seems a bit naive. but then i don't understand that much about ecc.
 42 2013-10-09 14:28:13 <lclc> if I'd like to code my own wallet I can find all interfaces I need in wallet.h right?
 43 2013-10-09 14:51:53 <sipa> wumpus: nice; haven't looked at the code yet
 44 2013-10-09 16:09:03 <jgarzik> afternoon
 45 2013-10-09 16:09:14 <TD> hello
 46 2013-10-09 16:09:43 <flibbr-dev> hi
 47 2013-10-09 16:10:50 <flibbr-dev> I just had blocks db corrupted.. I looked up and aparently the only solution is redownload the whole chain again.. ? I tried -rescan but no good either.
 48 2013-10-09 16:12:50 <sipa> you need -reindex
 49 2013-10-09 16:12:58 <sipa> -rescan is for missing wallet transactions
 50 2013-10-09 16:13:08 <sipa> and you don't need to redownload; just reprocess the chain
 51 2013-10-09 16:13:10 <flibbr-dev> okay thanks I will give it a try, thought I was in for a long wait then
 52 2013-10-09 16:13:16 <sipa> it still takes a while... hours perhaps
 53 2013-10-09 16:14:14 <flibbr-dev> just had a power cut so might have been that I think
 54 2013-10-09 16:14:55 <sipa> what os/hardware?
 55 2013-10-09 16:15:41 <flibbr-dev> ubuntu 12.04
 56 2013-10-09 16:16:31 <sipa> anything specific about storage? filesystem/encryption/network/...?
 57 2013-10-09 16:16:49 <flibbr-dev> just a standard out the box dell inspiron 530
 58 2013-10-09 16:18:00 <flibbr-dev> seems to be back to an operation state now with that -reindex thanks, just saved me hours of going down the wrong road I guess.
 59 2013-10-09 16:18:17 <sipa> it'll still take a time before it's reindexed
 60 2013-10-09 16:18:43 <flibbr-dev> okay cool, hopefully not as long as it took for abe to process all the blocks - wow, that took along time. lol
 61 2013-10-09 16:18:57 <sipa> how long?
 62 2013-10-09 16:19:11 <sipa> an SQL database isn't really the right model imho
 63 2013-10-09 16:19:18 <flibbr-dev> about 24 hours I think, I just set it running in a screen and came back the next day and it was done
 64 2013-10-09 16:19:40 <sipa> most of the reindexing time is signature verification
 65 2013-10-09 16:19:45 <sipa> usually
 66 2013-10-09 16:20:19 <flibbr-dev> yeah I have it setup in mysql mode but when I go to the url: . . it seems to be loading from the block.dat rather than from the db.. so further investigation required I think before its running as it should..
 67 2013-10-09 16:21:15 <MC1984> hey sipa is there any windows build of your ecdsa verifier fork anywhere
 68 2013-10-09 16:22:10 <sipa> warren may have one
 69 2013-10-09 16:23:05 <flibbr-dev> the reason why I'm setting up abe is because of the no watch-only-address things.. :|
 70 2013-10-09 16:23:44 <sipa> yeah i'll update my watch-only addresses pullreq if i find some time
 71 2013-10-09 16:24:38 <flibbr-dev> yeah I noticed someone else pinged that pull request today also
 72 2013-10-09 16:46:41 <warren> MC1984: sipa: I have only litecoin-0.8 builds for win32
 73 2013-10-09 16:46:54 <warren> with secp256k1
 74 2013-10-09 16:48:35 <MC1984> aw
 75 2013-10-09 16:49:16 <MC1984> i suppose maybe a sipaverify windows build that got out there might become unduly popular way before its ready........
 76 2013-10-09 16:50:00 <sipa> on win32, the advantage isn't *that* big
 77 2013-10-09 16:50:30 <sipa> (largest speedup comes from 64-bit registers and optimized assembly, which doesn't exist for i686)
 78 2013-10-09 17:11:01 <michagogo> flibbr-dev: Well, you can have a watch-only wallet with a bit of hackery
 79 2013-10-09 17:11:41 <michagogo> Just make a wallet db that has the pubkeys you're looking for, but just gibberish in place of the encrypted privkey
 80 2013-10-09 17:11:43 <Luke-Jr> keypool 100000, copy, encrypt copy with insane long random passphrase, throw away passphrase
 81 2013-10-09 17:11:45 <Luke-Jr> :P
 82 2013-10-09 17:11:59 <michagogo> That also works :P
 83 2013-10-09 19:24:01 <_Sam---> luke-jr,  is it possible to read the berkeleydb that the various coins store?
 84 2013-10-09 19:24:08 <_Sam---> i can verify it using some standard tools
 85 2013-10-09 19:24:22 <Luke-Jr> _Sam---: what?
 86 2013-10-09 19:24:34 <_Sam---> i want to examine the berkeley db that stores info about the blocks and transcations
 87 2013-10-09 19:24:46 <_Sam---> i can use some standard linux db-util tools to get the format, and the db verifies fine.
 88 2013-10-09 19:24:52 <_Sam---> but i dont know how i could examine it further.
 89 2013-10-09 19:24:58 <_dr> wallet = bdb; blockchain = leveldb, right?
 90 2013-10-09 19:25:18 <_Sam---> the blockchaindb verifies as berkeleydb
 91 2013-10-09 19:25:44 <_dr> maybe try db_dump from db-utils?
 92 2013-10-09 19:26:21 <_Sam---> i just see bunch of hex and stuff, i think
 93 2013-10-09 19:27:11 <Luke-Jr> _Sam---: the only bdb is the wallet
 94 2013-10-09 19:29:49 <_Sam---> when i run db_stat on the blkindex.dat it reports back as berkeley
 95 2013-10-09 19:36:47 <Luke-Jr> _Sam---: there is no blkindex.dat anymore.
 96 2013-10-09 19:39:22 <_Sam---> maybe not for BTC, but for alts.
 97 2013-10-09 19:39:56 <Luke-Jr> _Sam---: scamcoins are off-topic in #bitcoin* channels
 98 2013-10-09 19:40:35 <_Sam---> i only asked about berkeleydb.
 99 2013-10-09 19:41:11 <_Sam---> and its too bad you think like that.   just like there are more asset classes than USD and Gold...lots of people make money mining silver.
100 2013-10-09 19:41:38 <Luke-Jr> this isn't ##gold or ##silver either
101 2013-10-09 19:49:41 <warren> MC1984: if you really want a bitcoin-0.8.5+secp256k1 branch that is gitian win32 buildable I can throw one together.
102 2013-10-09 19:50:08 <warren> MC1984: it's similar enough to our existing litecoin-0.8.5+secp256k1
103 2013-10-09 19:53:17 <MC1984> i would apprecient it if its not too much trouble
104 2013-10-09 19:55:01 <warren> ok, putting it together.