1 2013-10-13 00:00:19 <sipa> apparently, we never got higher than one yet
  2 2013-10-13 00:00:24 <sipa> *one year
  3 2013-10-13 00:07:16 <MC1984> hasnt that gone up a lot since recently
  4 2013-10-13 00:10:13 <sipa> http://bitcoin.sipa.be/powdays-50k.png
  5 2013-10-13 00:12:21 <gmaxwell> sipa: really there we're mostly seeing the inverse of this: http://bitcoin.sipa.be/growth.png
  6 2013-10-13 00:42:18 <warren> TD: BlueMatt: around?
  7 2013-10-13 00:43:32 <midnightmagic> sipa: only 50 days?
  8 2013-10-13 00:43:43 <sipa> 48
  9 2013-10-13 00:43:56 <midnightmagic> good heavens
 10 2013-10-13 00:44:34 <midnightmagic> i wonder if that could be considered a vulnerability of sorts.
 11 2013-10-13 00:45:36 <midnightmagic> how many jokers are there who would point their hashrate at an attacking pool just to see what happens
 12 2013-10-13 00:48:26 <MC1984> doesnt this become less of a problem as time goes on
 13 2013-10-13 00:48:46 <midnightmagic> (and I mean joker in the sense of the joker effect as per: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022519311001639)
 14 2013-10-13 00:48:55 <MC1984> it seems a symptom of recent massive hashrate jumps to my feeble mind
 15 2013-10-13 00:48:58 <midnightmagic> MC1984: not if we continue to experience exponential growth
 16 2013-10-13 00:49:06 <midnightmagic> or even geometric
 17 2013-10-13 00:49:43 <MC1984> that wouldnt be a probme were it not most of this power is running thru a couple of pools
 18 2013-10-13 00:49:58 <MC1984> and no one gives a shit about p2pool or anything
 19 2013-10-13 00:50:11 <midnightmagic> .. you have a potty mouth.
 20 2013-10-13 00:50:29 <MC1984> a what?
 21 2013-10-13 00:52:50 <midnightmagic> Because I hate paywalls: http://magicrulesunpaa6.onion/the_joker_effect.pdf
 22 2013-10-13 00:53:31 <midnightmagic> MC1984: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pottymouth
 23 2013-10-13 00:54:05 <MC1984> oh
 24 2013-10-13 00:54:09 <MC1984> sorry dad?
 25 2013-10-13 00:54:25 <midnightmagic> also "potty" is the term used for the toilet, usually for toilet training children.
 26 2013-10-13 00:55:30 <MC1984> thats nice
 27 2013-10-13 00:57:08 <MC1984> so say a third of the current power could dark mine from the genesis block a chain that could reorg our current entire chain in about 4-5 months
 28 2013-10-13 00:57:17 <MC1984> presumably for the lols
 29 2013-10-13 00:59:16 <K1773R> MC1984: your aware of checkpoints?
 30 2013-10-13 00:59:46 <MC1984> oh yeah
 31 2013-10-13 01:00:11 <MC1984> well, those shouldnt be relied on anyway
 32 2013-10-13 01:22:36 <nanotube> <MC1984> so say a third of the current power <- if it's less than half power, they'll never beat the rest of the net and cause a reorg. it's gotta be more.
 33 2013-10-13 01:22:53 <nanotube> 50 days basically means "all the hash power switches to the joker pool"
 34 2013-10-13 01:23:13 <nanotube> then how long will it take them to reproduce the existing chain.
 35 2013-10-13 01:24:08 <MC1984> oh yes
 36 2013-10-13 01:24:12 <MC1984> im tired
 37 2013-10-13 01:24:46 <warren> reproduce? =)
 38 2013-10-13 01:24:51 <warren> bit for bit?
 39 2013-10-13 01:25:55 <nanotube> warren: well, equivalent-sum-difficulty :)
 40 2013-10-13 01:26:04 <nanotube> bit-for-bit reproduction would be a lot faster. :P
 41 2013-10-13 02:36:02 <MC1984> guys nearly 11 blocks and hour right now
 42 2013-10-13 02:36:03 <MC1984> wtf
 43 2013-10-13 02:37:38 <Belxjander> maybe post-mtgox restart there has been a surge of transactions? so a parallel surge of block generation?
 44 2013-10-13 02:38:13 <MC1984> doesnt work like that
 45 2013-10-13 05:36:09 <warren> wumpus: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2861  regarding watch-only, as this is the only feature needed by coinpunk and they probably want to avoid possible breakage on master, perhaps providing them a 0.8.5 + watchonly branch would be prudent so they avoid complications.
 46 2013-10-13 05:52:31 <gmaxwell> warren: huh? thats probably one of the most requested features (I'm not sure if that or something coin control is more requested)
 47 2013-10-13 05:53:53 <warren> gmaxwell: I didn't say it wasn't most requested.  I'm saying coinpunk needs something stable now.  I was going to make a supported backport to 0.8 anyway so I might as well do it.
 48 2013-10-13 05:55:14 <gmaxwell> supported by what?
 49 2013-10-13 05:55:41 <warren> supported in that if someone reports a problem I'll look at it
 50 2013-10-13 05:59:47 <Luke-Jr> watch-only only makes sense for the global wallet
 51 2013-10-13 06:00:04 <Luke-Jr> which requires HD wallets really, but you can easily get a practical emulation using a huge keypool
 52 2013-10-13 06:00:13 <Luke-Jr> with vanilla code
 53 2013-10-13 06:00:46 <phantomcircuit> tbh i think giant keypool wallets are easier for people to understand
 54 2013-10-13 06:11:58 <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: I don't get people's resistance to huge keypools.
 55 2013-10-13 06:12:07 <gmaxwell> But generally people have been unwilling to use them.
 56 2013-10-13 06:12:29 <Luke-Jr> that's what we're using for Eligius's storefront
 57 2013-10-13 06:12:46 <Luke-Jr> because the n00bs who wrote the Drupal module expect a bitcoind
 58 2013-10-13 06:12:58 <Luke-Jr> even though there's no reason for it
 59 2013-10-13 06:13:56 <Luke-Jr> but yeah, it works pretty nice
 60 2013-10-13 06:16:37 <warren> will 0.9 have a feature freeze at some point?  do you really want several major changes in one release?
 61 2013-10-13 06:16:41 <phantomcircuit> that reminds me i should add that comment gavin asked for
 62 2013-10-13 06:22:43 <gmaxwell> warren: We've not really been burned from feature bunching before. I think we've had better success from bunches of features and then fix-only releases.
 63 2013-10-13 06:23:01 <gmaxwell> Having a bunch of fix+one feature updates makes it harder to get people to update. But ::shrugs::
 64 2013-10-13 06:23:30 <gmaxwell> only 11% of luke-jr's node count are immune to being crashed with a couple of packets. :(
 65 2013-10-13 06:23:41 <warren> huh?
 66 2013-10-13 06:23:50 <warren> only 11% nodes upgraded?
 67 2013-10-13 06:24:01 <gmaxwell> only 11% are 0.8.4/0.8.5.
 68 2013-10-13 06:24:05 <warren> oh
 69 2013-10-13 06:24:31 <gmaxwell> though I even wonder how many of the other nodes are real.
 70 2013-10-13 06:25:13 <sipa> how do you mean?
 71 2013-10-13 06:26:06 <warren> feature bunching is one thing, the big things like no wallet, multiwallet, watchonly, coin control and headers first are great as they are functionally equivalent to the previous version.
 72 2013-10-13 06:26:33 <warren> I am nervous though if people want to push for the unproven changes like floating fees at the same time as those other major features.
 73 2013-10-13 06:27:00 <gmaxwell> warren: sounds like a reasonable concern to me.
 74 2013-10-13 06:27:17 <gmaxwell> perhaps seperating network behavior updates from client functionality updates makes sense.
 75 2013-10-13 06:29:50 <gmaxwell> sipa: I mean I dunno if the things he's polling are really unique nodes, or if it just has a lot of old non-functioning things on dynamic IPs getting multi-counted or what.
 76 2013-10-13 06:30:08 <warren> the gigantic review pile right now needs a lot of time to stabilize, but the vast majority of it won't result in any major changes to network behavior, so it's easier to validate.
 77 2013-10-13 06:30:54 <gmaxwell> On tor I see a very different profile of peers.
 78 2013-10-13 06:31:10 <sipa> gmaxwell, warren another reason to split up valodayion and wallets...
 79 2013-10-13 06:31:41 <warren> valodayion?
 80 2013-10-13 06:31:42 <warren> oh
 81 2013-10-13 06:31:52 <sipa> oh my
 82 2013-10-13 06:31:56 <sipa> validation
 83 2013-10-13 06:32:16 <warren> gmaxwell: Luke-Jr: solution to de-duplicating the node count =)
 84 2013-10-13 06:32:30 <warren> make all nodes uniquely identifiable
 85 2013-10-13 06:32:31 <gmaxwell> e.g. what I'm connected to right now is:
 86 2013-10-13 06:32:33 <gmaxwell>       1 /Satoshi:0.6.99/
 87 2013-10-13 06:32:33 <gmaxwell>       1 /Satoshi:0.8.0/
 88 2013-10-13 06:32:33 <gmaxwell>       3 /Satoshi:0.8.3/
 89 2013-10-13 06:32:33 <gmaxwell>       3 /Satoshi:0.8.99/
 90 2013-10-13 06:32:33 <gmaxwell>       5 /Satoshi:0.8.1/
 91 2013-10-13 06:32:36 <gmaxwell>      14 /Satoshi:0.8.5/
 92 2013-10-13 06:33:05 <warren> oops
 93 2013-10-13 06:33:17 <Belxjander> GUID or UUID generated to Identify each Client installation?
 94 2013-10-13 06:33:17 <sipa> Luke-Jr: which nodes do you count?
 95 2013-10-13 06:33:17 <warren> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2910 <--- solution to de-duplicating the node count
 96 2013-10-13 06:33:21 <Belxjander> or per-version?
 97 2013-10-13 06:33:30 <gmaxwell> Also I've been seeing some really sketchy stuff on public v4 nodes, like all slots used up by something claiming to be Satoshi without slashes.
 98 2013-10-13 06:33:33 <warren> 
ACTION is only half-joking.

 99 2013-10-13 06:34:11 <Luke-Jr> sipa: everything polled in the last week basiclaly
100 2013-10-13 06:34:50 <sipa> ic
101 2013-10-13 06:35:08 <gmaxwell> warren: you should be entirely joking, crapping on user privacy to improve stats is usually not a good tradeoff. :)
102 2013-10-13 06:35:38 <sipa> you could weight by reachability% per day or something
103 2013-10-13 06:35:51 <gmaxwell> (arguably version ids are not great either, but you can usually get the same data indirectly, and they're pretty important for things like the current discussion)
104 2013-10-13 06:36:16 <warren> gmaxwell: just pointing out this should be fixed, or used to get accurate node counts...
105 2013-10-13 06:36:41 <gmaxwell> warren: its fixed by headers first.
106 2013-10-13 06:36:49 <sipa> i'm not sure there is a problem?
107 2013-10-13 06:36:54 <gmaxwell> and its not useful for passive fingerprinting.
108 2013-10-13 06:37:07 <gmaxwell> (or at least not very)
109 2013-10-13 06:37:15 <warren> it's easy enough to generate a very early fork at will
110 2013-10-13 06:37:32 <warren> easy enough to tag all nodes you find uniquely
111 2013-10-13 06:37:33 <gmaxwell> warren: we don't save those.
112 2013-10-13 06:37:46 <gmaxwell> (unless the node is in IBD)
113 2013-10-13 06:38:02 <gmaxwell> otherwise you could trivially run a node out of diskspace... and that was fixed years ago.
114 2013-10-13 06:38:23 <warren> oh, I misunderstood it then...
115 2013-10-13 06:39:08 <warren> so it would be safe for a tool to exist that trims out all ancient forks from your local blocks before a reindex
116 2013-10-13 06:39:19 <warren> just to save some storage?
117 2013-10-13 06:40:30 <gmaxwell> it would only save 1% on a node that has run forever. boring.
118 2013-10-13 06:40:33 <sipa> that's possible, but i doubt it's worth it
119 2013-10-13 06:40:49 <gribble> Error: "hi5" is not a valid command.
120 2013-10-13 06:40:49 <sipa> !hi5 gmaxwell
121 2013-10-13 06:41:22 <gmaxwell> you can do it yourself by making a bootstrap.dat and reiniting from it.
122 2013-10-13 06:41:29 <gmaxwell> not the fastest way though.
123 2013-10-13 06:42:39 <Luke-Jr> http://www.newslo.com/treasury-moves-to-back-us-debt-with-bitcoins-fearing-default/ lol
124 2013-10-13 06:43:32 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: meh, just use some hole-making API to sparsify the existing data ;)
125 2013-10-13 06:43:47 <warren> backed by the full faith and credit of <nobody>.
126 2013-10-13 08:04:39 <dust-otc> what exactly is the syntax of sendmany, it just isn't working for me
127 2013-10-13 08:09:33 <dust-otc> non-rpc example found here, got it workig: https://bitcointalk.org/?topic=4254.0
128 2013-10-13 09:33:01 <gmaxwell> jgarzik: I dunno how to do a project wide block. If the obvious block button worked he would have already been blocked. :)
129 2013-10-13 09:36:39 <jgarzik> heh
130 2013-10-13 09:38:36 <michagogo> cloud|Who?
131 2013-10-13 09:40:02 <sipa> idiotsabound
132 2013-10-13 09:46:00 <gribble> Back in Black - Idiots Abound - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 11 ...: <http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-november-2-1999/back-in-black---idiots-abound>; Letters: Idiots abound - The Daily News: <http://tdn.com/news/opinion/letters-idiots-abound/article_b79cbe0c-cfb9-11e2-bf0e-001a4bcf887a.html>; Idiots Abound | Clarissa's Blog: <http://clarissasblog.com/2013/08/24 (1 more message)
133 2013-10-13 09:46:00 <michagogo> cloud|;;google idiotsabound
134 2013-10-13 09:46:14 <michagogo> cloud|:\
135 2013-10-13 09:47:03 <gmaxwell> michagogo|cloud: some person who is posting offtopic antagonistic black helecopter spew on an old pull request. He's helpfully named himself idiotsabound.
136 2013-10-13 09:47:30 <michagogo> cloud|Ah
137 2013-10-13 09:48:43 <jgarzik> well, blocking was utterly ineffective
138 2013-10-13 09:48:59 <jgarzik> come on github, at least be as effective as twitter blocking...
139 2013-10-13 09:49:34 <gmaxwell> jgarzik: dunno if you recall, but he got blocked previously on our github. (His prior parting remark was "I will troll this thing relentlessly")
140 2013-10-13 09:50:28 <gmaxwell> dunno why the original block stopped working, but I guess he's being true to his word.
141 2013-10-13 09:50:55 <sipa> blocked him too now
142 2013-10-13 09:51:31 <michagogo> cloud|Apparently my PR with the update to my gpg key (added a couple UIDs that specifically refer to my freenode and github identities) attracted someone looking for key-related help with the ppa on Linux Mint
143 2013-10-13 09:53:02 <gmaxwell> michagogo|cloud: yea, once your name is on the internet you become the world's therapist technician.
144 2013-10-13 09:53:39 <michagogo> cloud|I didn't even know ppas worked on Mint...
145 2013-10-13 09:53:45 <jgarzik> The blocks appear worse than useless
146 2013-10-13 09:53:56 <michagogo> cloud|(Or maybe they actually don't?)
147 2013-10-13 09:53:56 <sipa> jgarzik: it's just an ignore
148 2013-10-13 09:54:01 <jgarzik> yes
149 2013-10-13 09:54:21 <michagogo> cloud|jgarzik: Worse? How is it worse than useless?
150 2013-10-13 09:54:23 <sipa> my favorite mail i got is still "I read some information about bitcoin, said to close the Currency, is that true?"
151 2013-10-13 09:54:41 <gmaxwell> At least thats 90% english failure.
152 2013-10-13 09:54:45 <jgarzik> In the context of a PR, it would be disappointing, though, to have information sitting around in PRs that everyone in the world sees -except- the core devs.
153 2013-10-13 09:54:53 <jgarzik> thus, worse than useless.
154 2013-10-13 09:55:23 <gmaxwell> sipa: I like that the name of the author of that mail was "General Information"
155 2013-10-13 09:55:42 <sipa> jgarzik: good point
156 2013-10-13 09:55:43 <gmaxwell> I am imagining a uniform adorned with little ones and zeros on the breast.
157 2013-10-13 09:56:11 <sipa> gmaxwell: ROFL
158 2013-10-13 09:56:13 <jgarzik> 
ACTION still occasionally gets reporters asking about Bitcoin, the company.  Asking about when Bitcoin released its flagship product, asking to speak to the CEO, ...

159 2013-10-13 09:56:28 <michagogo> cloud|sipa: btw, were those new UIDs the kind of thing you were talking about?
160 2013-10-13 09:56:43 <michagogo> cloud|jgarzik: haha
161 2013-10-13 09:56:43 <sipa> michagogo|cloud: yeah, i may have spoken too soon; i'm not sure how useful those are
162 2013-10-13 09:57:42 <sipa> gmaxwell: "Who is this General Failure, and why is he reading my hard drive?"
163 2013-10-13 09:58:27 <sipa> jgarzik: haven't had any of those
164 2013-10-13 09:58:48 <michagogo> cloud|"Who is General Failure, and why is he making my pings fail?"
165 2013-10-13 09:59:13 <jgarzik> Then there are the emails assuming I know about a secret backdoor that permits a poor, hapless, deletion-prone soul to recover their lost bitcoins.
166 2013-10-13 09:59:49 <michagogo> cloud|jgarzik: lol. Why are you the target of all this?
167 2013-10-13 10:00:01 <gmaxwell> Name on the website.
168 2013-10-13 10:00:19 <sipa> i don't get such mails
169 2013-10-13 10:00:25 <gmaxwell> I get them too, but I'm lower on the list than Jeff so I assume I get fewer of them. (A lot of them, like the close to the Currency one, copy all of us)
170 2013-10-13 10:00:34 <sipa> or maybe i mentally ignore them
171 2013-10-13 10:00:49 <gmaxwell> well I know you get some of them, you just mentioned one above!
172 2013-10-13 10:00:49 <jgarzik> answering reporters questions raises the profile too
173 2013-10-13 10:01:32 <gmaxwell> There are a couple of reporters that hit me up for technical questions here and there. The trick to avoid this is never answer them. But at one point one of them said something wrong in their initial email ... sneaky bastards.
174 2013-10-13 10:01:35 <sipa> i'm sure i've never had a mail asking when bitcoin would release a product, or to ask to its ceo
175 2013-10-13 10:01:48 <jgarzik> gmaxwell, haha
176 2013-10-13 10:02:05 <jgarzik> gmaxwell, I'm easy to troll for similar reasons
177 2013-10-13 10:02:23 <sipa> i do find a mail about someone who lost his multibit wallet
178 2013-10-13 10:02:47 <sipa> oh, and several mails claiming they can make bitcoin rank higher on google!
179 2013-10-13 10:03:07 <gmaxwell> Hm. I don't think I have any of those.
180 2013-10-13 10:03:15 <jgarzik> Reminds me of Linus Torvalds' #2 man, so to speak, Andrew Morton.  If there was a sticky technical issue, Andrew would write a patch that annoys everybody, and commit it to his widely-used fork.
181 2013-10-13 10:03:32 <jgarzik> Yeah, I've gotten several of those improve-bitcoin-SEO emails.
182 2013-10-13 10:03:42 <sipa> (i've heard about people who get mails how to get "their" google.com site rank higher on google...)
183 2013-10-13 10:03:47 <jgarzik> Also, one or two persistent companies that want to Q/A bitcoin, for a high price.
184 2013-10-13 10:03:59 <michagogo> cloud|Note to self: if ever emailing or otherwise trying to contact jgarzik or gmaxwell, to expedite a response, think of some absurdly wrong thing about bitcoins to mention in passing
185 2013-10-13 10:04:00 <jgarzik> (but have no idea what bitcoin is)
186 2013-10-13 10:04:02 <gmaxwell> E.g. "I would like to put bitcoins on a site I am building and curious about the security.  How does that work peer to peer?"
187 2013-10-13 10:04:16 <jgarzik> :)
188 2013-10-13 10:04:19 <gmaxwell> michagogo|cloud: there is an art, I give up on a lot of stuff.
189 2013-10-13 10:04:48 <michagogo> cloud|s/absurd/subtle/
190 2013-10-13 10:04:49 <sipa> maybe we should delegate someone to go undercover as a troll
191 2013-10-13 10:04:59 <sipa> to learn their ways, gain their trust
192 2013-10-13 10:05:04 <jgarzik> 
ACTION trolls:

193 2013-10-13 10:05:29 <gmaxwell> sipa: you also got the "i want to work with bitcoin\nsomebody's said they work with bitcoin\nand to work with bitcoin i need cpu have vega card 12 giga and run my pc 24h"
194 2013-10-13 10:05:36 <sipa> gmaxwell: yup
195 2013-10-13 10:05:54 <sipa> i certainly didn't mean i never get weird mails
196 2013-10-13 10:06:02 <sipa> but not the type that jgarzik mentioned earlier
197 2013-10-13 10:06:14 <gmaxwell> Yea, I haven't gotten any of the bitcoin corporation ones lately, I know I've gotten them in the past.
198 2013-10-13 10:06:16 <michagogo> cloud|I maked eleventy copys of a brian wallet on paper and posted them around my building and now my bit coinage is missing
199 2013-10-13 10:06:25 <jgarzik> Been thinking about posting a "roadmap to 1.0" doc, with basic targets everybody can agree on.  My general opinion is "wallet mode in separate process" along the lines of SPV+headers first sync that has been discussed here.  Nothing magic about 1.0 besides removing the "beta" label.  After 4 years, it is rather pointless.  The network is what it is.  There will be no 1.0 flag day.
200 2013-10-13 10:06:30 <michagogo> cloud|What do I help to get them back
201 2013-10-13 10:06:32 <michagogo> cloud|Please advise
202 2013-10-13 10:06:33 <gmaxwell> Also, there were people looking for sales jobs for us.
203 2013-10-13 10:06:52 <sipa> michagogo|cloud: needs more typos
204 2013-10-13 10:07:14 <michagogo> cloud|Plaese advidr
205 2013-10-13 10:07:37 <sipa> haha, a briant wallet
206 2013-10-13 10:07:40 <sipa> -t
207 2013-10-13 10:07:54 <michagogo> cloud|On papar!
208 2013-10-13 10:08:05 <sipa> jgarzik, gmaxwell: any quick pullreqs you can ack? i'd like to test my pull-merge script :p
209 2013-10-13 10:08:25 <michagogo> cloud|[image of a bitcoin privkey inside a crudely drawn brain]
210 2013-10-13 10:08:30 <michagogo> cloud|sipa: what about 3086?
211 2013-10-13 10:08:40 <jgarzik> more typos + more specific information (yet frustratingly not the data you need).   "I am using bitcoin 8.2 on windows Service PACK 2.  It crashes, but only displays a balance."
212 2013-10-13 10:08:41 <michagogo> cloud|(I think that was the number)
213 2013-10-13 10:08:54 <gmaxwell> jgarzik: oh man, thats awesome and so true.
214 2013-10-13 10:10:02 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, that has to be a troll
215 2013-10-13 10:10:14 <phantomcircuit> that isn't an amount of information that even makes sense
216 2013-10-13 10:10:34 <gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: have you watched the information people provide? that so sounds like a bug report.
217 2013-10-13 10:10:38 <michagogo> cloud|phantomcircuit: I think that's the point :-P
218 2013-10-13 10:10:38 <sipa> many people are using bitcoin 4.8.2, btw
219 2013-10-13 10:10:46 <michagogo> cloud|sipa: wat
220 2013-10-13 10:10:51 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, sigh
221 2013-10-13 10:10:52 <phantomcircuit> yes
222 2013-10-13 10:10:59 <sipa> (they click on 'Qt version' and think that's bitcoin)
223 2013-10-13 10:11:14 <michagogo> cloud|Hah
224 2013-10-13 10:11:37 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, my personal favorite are the bug reports on intersango; "why wont it let me schedule a wire for 0.15 EUR?"
225 2013-10-13 10:12:13 <michagogo> cloud|What?
226 2013-10-13 10:12:17 <michagogo> cloud|Schedule?
227 2013-10-13 10:12:20 <gmaxwell> Yea. "I am using bitcoin 4.8.2 and it doesn't work at all. Plus when I send it takes a long time. My account is with MTGOX."
228 2013-10-13 10:12:28 <phantomcircuit> lol
229 2013-10-13 10:13:07 <michagogo> cloud|I'm not
230 2013-10-13 10:13:24 <michagogo> cloud|I'm not sure exactly what happened last night when I was tired
231 2013-10-13 10:13:54 <michagogo> cloud|But somehow I ended up with a several hundred MB pubring.gpg
232 2013-10-13 10:14:20 <michagogo> cloud|(And gpg --list-keys turned up nothing)
233 2013-10-13 10:23:54 <jgarzik> an add-to-GPG virus would be interesting
234 2013-10-13 10:24:25 <jgarzik> though given the target audience of "people who use GPG", success rate might be low ;p
235 2013-10-13 10:36:55 <michagogo> cloud|Hmm
236 2013-10-13 10:37:09 <michagogo> cloud|Looks like for some reason I thought it would be a good idea to do something like this:
237 2013-10-13 10:38:28 <michagogo> cloud|`gpg --recv-keys #{`gpg --list-sigs`.scan(/\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h/).uniq.join(" ")}`
238 2013-10-13 10:38:37 <michagogo> cloud|...recursively
239 2013-10-13 12:28:52 <skinnkavaj> Omfg
240 2013-10-13 12:28:59 <skinnkavaj> Someone hacked my bitcointalk account
241 2013-10-13 12:29:01 <skinnkavaj> and started to post crap
242 2013-10-13 12:29:04 <skinnkavaj> Look here:
243 2013-10-13 12:29:07 <skinnkavaj> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=310086.msg3329670#msg3329670
244 2013-10-13 13:17:46 <ShapeShifter499> hi
245 2013-10-13 13:18:26 <ShapeShifter499> I have two old computers a old Acer Netbook and a old Apple PowerBook G4, anyone think I could cluster them to mine bitcoins?
246 2013-10-13 13:18:41 <ShapeShifter499> would it be worth the effort?
247 2013-10-13 13:29:37 <keyboard> ShapeShifter499, lol
248 2013-10-13 13:33:45 <sipa> ;;genrate 1000
249 2013-10-13 13:33:46 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 189281249.281, is 0.00265692728858 BTC per day and 0.000110705303691 BTC per hour.
250 2013-10-13 13:33:56 <sipa> ShapeShifter499: maybe 1 BTC in a year
251 2013-10-13 13:34:05 <sipa> likely much less :)
252 2013-10-13 13:34:15 <sipa> eh
253 2013-10-13 13:34:36 <sipa> sorry, maybe 1 mBTC in a year :)
254 2013-10-13 13:34:45 <ShapeShifter499> what should I do if I want to get into mining bitcoin?
255 2013-10-13 13:34:51 <sipa> forget it
256 2013-10-13 13:35:11 <ShapeShifter499> :o
257 2013-10-13 13:35:26 <sipa> (or invest into ASICs, and gamble on the increase in difficulty and production speed of hardware, if you're serious about it)
258 2013-10-13 13:36:01 <ShapeShifter499> I remember when I passed over bitcoin on some article a few years ago... looked it up to find a bitcoin was only a few pennies per bitcoin...
259 2013-10-13 13:36:10 <ShapeShifter499> oh how I wish I had invested
260 2013-10-13 13:36:13 <sipa> haha
261 2013-10-13 13:36:21 <sipa> i bought my first BTC at $0.27/BTC :)
262 2013-10-13 13:36:36 <sipa> sold them when the exchange rate suddenly spiked to $0.40/BTC
263 2013-10-13 13:37:42 <ShapeShifter499> if I had brought a 100 bitcoins back then I would have made some serious gain
264 2013-10-13 13:37:48 <ShapeShifter499> fml
265 2013-10-13 13:38:10 <sipa> hindsight is +infinity/20
266 2013-10-13 13:38:26 <ShapeShifter499> I kind of thought it was some scam with no chance in hell of getting over a few dollars in worth
267 2013-10-13 13:38:44 <ShapeShifter499> let alone a hundred xD
268 2013-10-13 13:39:47 <sipa> in any case, a bit off-topic here
269 2013-10-13 13:40:10 <ShapeShifter499> yea oh well....
270 2013-10-13 13:40:20 <ShapeShifter499> sipa, back to topic then
271 2013-10-13 13:40:22 <ShapeShifter499> xD
272 2013-10-13 13:40:50 <sipa> if you're serious: buy ASICs, and hope you get them before the difficulty rise made them worthless
273 2013-10-13 13:41:15 <sipa> and #bitcoin-mining i guess
274 2013-10-13 13:43:45 <ShapeShifter499> sipa, oops didn't even know about #bitcoin-mining
275 2013-10-13 13:44:47 <ShapeShifter499> sipa, I wonder if litecoin will take a similar path
276 2013-10-13 14:16:05 <Azelphur> Hey folks, wondering if anyone could give me a hand with bitcoind segmentation faulting not long after startup. The backtrace doesn't yield very much info, unfortunately. http://pastebin.com/Q2Uhndrm
277 2013-10-13 14:17:36 <sipa> what's in debug.log?
278 2013-10-13 14:21:05 <Azelphur> 
ACTION generates a fresh one

279 2013-10-13 14:21:51 <Azelphur> sipa: is debug.log safe to paste? this is a wallet with coins in it
280 2013-10-13 14:22:40 <Azelphur> I'm guessing yes, just prefer to be safe :)
281 2013-10-13 14:25:08 <Azelphur> had a read over and it looks safe enough, hafne http://pastebin.com/kGuMZfkz
282 2013-10-13 14:25:16 <sipa> yeah
283 2013-10-13 14:25:19 <Azelphur> sipa: rather xD
284 2013-10-13 14:26:11 <sipa> heh
285 2013-10-13 14:30:39 <Azelphur> sipa: looks like it's something specifically relevant to that wallet, if I pull that wallet out, it works.
286 2013-10-13 14:31:24 <Azelphur> he might have fucked his wallet up, I know he was using bitcoin-qt and bitcoind at the same time
287 2013-10-13 14:33:11 <michagogo> cloud|Azelphur: You never ever want more than one client running against the same datadir at a time
288 2013-10-13 14:33:17 <michagogo> cloud|In fact, it should be impossible
289 2013-10-13 14:33:43 <Azelphur> michagogo|cloud: indeed, I grumbled at him as soon as I found out he was doing it, he corrupted his blockchain so I redownloaded it, looks like his wallet might have a case of the dead too
290 2013-10-13 14:33:45 <michagogo> cloud|How did he use them both at the same time,
291 2013-10-13 14:33:46 <Azelphur> or at least, damaged
292 2013-10-13 14:33:57 <michagogo> cloud|time?*
293 2013-10-13 14:34:10 <Azelphur> no idea.
294 2013-10-13 14:34:36 <michagogo> cloud|There was (probably) no need to redownload, a reindeer should have done it
295 2013-10-13 14:34:41 <michagogo> cloud|Erm, reindex
296 2013-10-13 14:34:51 <Azelphur> tried reindex it didn't help :(
297 2013-10-13 14:34:59 <michagogo> cloud|As for the wallet, make a backup of the wallet, and try -salvagewallet
298 2013-10-13 14:35:08 <Azelphur> righto
299 2013-10-13 14:35:44 <michagogo> cloud|(That is, copy the wallet somewhere safe, have it in datadir as wallet.dat, and start with -salvagewallet)
300 2013-10-13 14:35:47 <Azelphur> Error: wallet.dat corrupt, salvage failed \o/
301 2013-10-13 14:35:56 <michagogo> cloud|Damn.
302 2013-10-13 14:36:00 <Azelphur> yea, first thing I did was take a backup of wallet.dat
303 2013-10-13 14:36:17 <michagogo> cloud|You could try pointing bdb tools at it
304 2013-10-13 14:36:47 <michagogo> cloud|db_dump or whatever it's calle
305 2013-10-13 14:36:48 <michagogo> cloud|D
306 2013-10-13 14:37:18 <Azelphur> sounds fun, will try that if I can't get it to go
307 2013-10-13 14:38:59 <michagogo> cloud|
ACTION doesn't know how bdb works and how the files are formatted, etc

308 2013-10-13 15:08:43 <Jere_Jones> I wonder if a blockchain could contain two different types of "coins".  Such that it tracks the movement of two distinct types of coin.  Each with its own creation/spending rules.
309 2013-10-13 15:09:28 <sipa> in theory, sure
310 2013-10-13 15:09:36 <sipa> but that's hardly interesting
311 2013-10-13 15:10:08 <Jere_Jones> There has been so much talk about colored coins lately.  I, personally, don't like the idea of them in the bitcoin blockchain.
312 2013-10-13 15:10:34 <Jere_Jones> My thoughts have thus led towards how a ColorCoin altcoin would work.
313 2013-10-13 15:11:15 <Jere_Jones> Incentive to mine and spam prevention are where my plan fails.
314 2013-10-13 15:11:48 <Jere_Jones> Anyway, I was just thinking and wanted a reality check.
315 2013-10-13 15:17:57 <jgarzik> Jere_Jones, it would always be nice if traffic were on another chain
316 2013-10-13 15:18:14 <jgarzik> Jere_Jones, difficult to bootstrap, though, because chains always begin life weak
317 2013-10-13 15:18:31 <jgarzik> Jere_Jones, I myself have always wanted a separate "smart property" chain
318 2013-10-13 15:18:53 <Jere_Jones> That is exactly what I'm thinking about.
319 2013-10-13 16:18:30 <Jere_Jones> I wonder if that would result in a SatoshiShare.com.  "Gamble away your shares of Labcoin here!"
320 2013-10-13 16:22:01 <melvster> a good colored coin should absolutely minimize use of the block chain
321 2013-10-13 17:11:08 <amiller> the main drawback of colored coins is that they're incompatible with SPV security
322 2013-10-13 17:12:47 <amiller> if the ability to have an SPV client is really important (like, for scalability, eventually) then that might be a big deal
323 2013-10-13 17:16:04 <MC1984> we really need a notarycoin
324 2013-10-13 17:16:08 <MC1984> merge mined
325 2013-10-13 17:16:24 <MC1984> if people are gonna use a chain for this stuff anyway
326 2013-10-13 20:35:13 <TD> good evening
327 2013-10-13 21:08:00 <midnightmagic> with correct file or region locking it is very possible to run multiple processes against the same data directory.
328 2013-10-13 21:08:41 <midnightmagic> (speaking about non-bitcoin software now)
329 2013-10-13 21:09:08 <sipa> leveldb doesn't support that, though :)
330 2013-10-13 21:09:14 <sipa> bdb did
331 2013-10-13 22:42:38 <jgarzik> MC1984_, +1 for notarycoin
332 2013-10-13 22:42:55 <jgarzik> you could call it namecoin, and bring that dying project back to life