1 2013-11-19 00:02:12 <t7> man i need to find my pocket change wallet now
  2 2013-11-19 00:02:18 <t7> it might be worth something
  3 2013-11-19 00:02:32 <t7> like 10 pounds
  4 2013-11-19 00:03:08 <warren> http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/new/  please vote up "Can you fix the LevelDB database corruption bug affecting Bitcoin-Qt on some platforms? 5+ BTC bounty."
  5 2013-11-19 00:07:59 <danneu> first and last time i ever visit a subreddit's /new.
  6 2013-11-19 00:10:12 <Luke-Jr> warren: direct link?
  7 2013-11-19 00:11:18 <warren> Luke-Jr: if you direct link there is a strong chance that votes won't count
  8 2013-11-19 00:11:19 <danneu> Luke-Jr: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1qxnzu/can_you_fix_the_leveldb_database_corruption_bug/
  9 2013-11-19 00:11:38 <Luke-Jr> warren: well, it's not on that page
 10 2013-11-19 00:11:40 <Luke-Jr> so
 11 2013-11-19 00:12:52 <warren> Luke-Jr: second or third page
 12 2013-11-19 00:15:05 <Thepok> hm bitcoin is at transatcionmaximum...pools should rais blocksizelimit
 13 2013-11-19 00:15:19 <Emcy> nope
 14 2013-11-19 00:15:26 <Thepok> why nope?
 15 2013-11-19 00:15:31 <t7> oh shit i found 0.013
 16 2013-11-19 00:15:49 <Emcy> cos ur wrong
 17 2013-11-19 00:16:08 <Thepok> btc guild allways is at 487
 18 2013-11-19 00:16:18 <Thepok> and slush 243 kbyte
 19 2013-11-19 00:16:42 <Emcy> they choose to be
 20 2013-11-19 00:16:50 <Thepok> thats bad
 21 2013-11-19 00:17:17 <Thepok> many noobs gone cry why transaction takes so long :(
 22 2013-11-19 00:17:28 <Thepok> bad first impression
 23 2013-11-19 00:17:38 <Emcy> pay more fee
 24 2013-11-19 00:18:11 <Thepok> no talking with you....
 25 2013-11-19 00:19:16 <Emcy> cry more then
 26 2013-11-19 00:20:18 <Thepok> yeah its stupid...bitcoin is finaly in the spotlight, and it allready is overhelamed
 27 2013-11-19 00:21:21 <danneu> well, what's the txnpool backorder look like
 28 2013-11-19 00:22:00 <Thepok> 7k
 29 2013-11-19 00:22:16 <Thepok> ok 6k now
 30 2013-11-19 00:25:08 <danneu> it's a feature that block-throughput can't fit every single incessant transaction.
 31 2013-11-19 00:25:56 <Thepok> but we are only at maybe 100k transaction a day
 32 2013-11-19 00:26:03 <danneu> rather i imagine it's an issue once it's too expensive to get a txn prioritized
 33 2013-11-19 00:26:57 <Thepok> capping it at 100k is poor :(
 34 2013-11-19 00:27:23 <Thepok> \j btcguild
 35 2013-11-19 00:27:49 <warren> Ryan52: the bounty in USD nearly doubled since yesterday ...
 36 2013-11-19 00:29:00 <danneu> 100k isn't a very good metric by itself. more interesting would be a graph of the cheapest fee included in each block over time
 37 2013-11-19 00:29:31 <sipa> danneu: the higheat fee/byte NOT included is even more interesting
 38 2013-11-19 00:30:22 <sipa> ;;diff
 39 2013-11-19 00:30:23 <gribble> 6.094826798883545E8
 40 2013-11-19 00:30:28 <gmaxwell> danneu: the cheapest fee included has some issues that higher/highest not included doesn't, because miners can have invisible agreements to include transactions. E.g. for years eligius had an agreement to priortize mtgox txn.
 41 2013-11-19 00:31:04 <gmaxwell> ;;ticker --market btcn
 42 2013-11-19 00:31:12 <gmaxwell> (hard to resist this bit of OT fun:)
 43 2013-11-19 00:31:12 <gribble> BTCChina BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1010.856, Best ask: 1013.9739, Bid-ask spread: 3.11790, Last trade: 1010.856, 24 hour volume: 102974.13100000, 24 hour low: 656.0718, 24 hour high: 1014.138, 24 hour vwap: 662.025949388
 44 2013-11-19 00:32:05 <sipa> i should never have sold my mining income :p
 45 2013-11-19 00:33:54 <BlueMatt> sipa: welcome to the club
 46 2013-11-19 00:35:37 <roconnor> sipa: why not?
 47 2013-11-19 00:35:40 <petertodd> sipa: paying attention to first and second year calculus rather than Bitcoin was one of the most expensive mistakes of my life
 48 2013-11-19 00:36:18 <BlueMatt> hah!
 49 2013-11-19 00:36:44 <BlueMatt> luckily some of us started bitcoin way back in high school, were we could work on bitcoin and then sleepwalk during the day at school and noone cared :)
 50 2013-11-19 00:36:59 <petertodd> BlueMatt: I found an email awhile back from dec 2009 telling a friend about bitcoin... didn't buy until 2 years later IIRC
 51 2013-11-19 00:37:03 <roconnor> 
ACTION feels old

 52 2013-11-19 00:37:07 <sipa> roconnor: having a few thousand BTC would be nice :)
 53 2013-11-19 00:37:12 <sipa> *now
 54 2013-11-19 00:37:26 <gmaxwell> roconnor: he's lamenting with perfect hindsight that he didn't get $1000 in cny for each of his coins.
 55 2013-11-19 00:37:27 <Belxjander> sipa: I would settle for having at least 10-20 BTC right now...
 56 2013-11-19 00:37:44 <roconnor> sipa: oh, you are saying at the current price the old mining would have been profitable after all?
 57 2013-11-19 00:37:47 <Belxjander> then I would be able to actively start making an income or at least working on expanding it up further
 58 2013-11-19 00:37:56 <sipa> roconnor: it *was* profitable
 59 2013-11-19 00:37:58 <Emcy> are we all crying into our hands as we get fabulously rich
 60 2013-11-19 00:38:21 <BlueMatt> Emcy: we are all crying as we *dont* get fabulously rich
 61 2013-11-19 00:38:22 <sipa> roconnor: i'm not complaining about the mining - i enjoyed all time i put into it
 62 2013-11-19 00:38:24 <roconnor> Emcy: I have no bitcoin holdings. :)
 63 2013-11-19 00:38:45 <roconnor> my policy is to not speculate on currencies.
 64 2013-11-19 00:38:47 <Emcy> that feel gents
 65 2013-11-19 00:38:49 <Emcy> that feel
 66 2013-11-19 00:39:10 <roconnor> I find them difficult to value.
 67 2013-11-19 00:39:43 <Emcy> its as valid as any of the other bullshit market valuations out there
 68 2013-11-19 00:39:52 <danneu> not exactly a profound insight there, roconnor
 69 2013-11-19 00:39:55 <Emcy> like ehem facebook opening at 100bn
 70 2013-11-19 00:39:58 <randy-waterhouse> what's up with the blockchain?
 71 2013-11-19 00:40:06 <petertodd> sipa: This is why I set aside some BTC in nLockTime'd future tx's that I simply can't spend...
 72 2013-11-19 00:40:10 <Emcy> if the suits can do it why cant we
 73 2013-11-19 00:40:36 <Emcy> petertodd thats a good idea
 74 2013-11-19 00:41:06 <Emcy> thats a good idea for people with the balls to play around with raw txs
 75 2013-11-19 00:41:26 <petertodd> Emcy: yeah, you *really* don't want to put all your BTC in that, just in case there's ever a crypto break or you lose your privkey, but a little is fine and kinda fun to do.
 76 2013-11-19 00:41:31 <randy-waterhouse> BTC Guild got orphaned?
 77 2013-11-19 00:41:54 <gmaxwell> petertodd: uh, why not ... just don't spend it?
 78 2013-11-19 00:42:08 <petertodd> gmaxwell: because I'm a weak-willed human being
 79 2013-11-19 00:42:18 <sipa> gmaxwell: it prevents yourself from panic selling :)
 80 2013-11-19 00:42:40 <petertodd> gmaxwell: I mean, being addicted to crack is hard to deal with, even as mayor of toronto...
 81 2013-11-19 00:42:40 <sipa> by making the decision not to do so on a more reasonable yet less informed point in time
 82 2013-11-19 00:43:21 <lianj> in insanity news: bitcoin just cracked 1k in chinas viewpoint oO
 83 2013-11-19 00:43:38 <gmaxwell> different strokes from different folks. I don't believe I've ever violated such a precommitment even though I could.
 84 2013-11-19 00:43:44 <gmaxwell> lianj: scroll up. :P
 85 2013-11-19 00:44:18 <lianj> gmaxwell: oh rite
 86 2013-11-19 00:44:36 <lianj> but true, its OT
 87 2013-11-19 00:45:12 <petertodd> 
ACTION is gonna sell and buy some tulips... for his garden.

 88 2013-11-19 00:45:38 <sipa> you should move to the netherlands, petertodd
 89 2013-11-19 00:46:01 <petertodd> sipa: with the way the BTC rate is going, I'll just move the netherlands to me
 90 2013-11-19 00:46:32 <sipa> petertodd: not as long as the dutch combined have more btc than you :D
 91 2013-11-19 00:47:14 <petertodd> sipa: see, the reason why the bitcoin codebase sucks so much is I was getting distracted by first year calc...
 92 2013-11-19 00:47:58 <warren> (why netherlands? huh?)
 93 2013-11-19 00:48:26 <petertodd> warren: tulip mania
 94 2013-11-19 00:48:53 <sipa> petertodd: wait, you're not japanese, are you?
 95 2013-11-19 00:49:15 <petertodd> sipa: pff, that was just a ploy
 96 2013-11-19 00:49:25 <petertodd> sipa: like writing it in windows
 97 2013-11-19 00:49:35 <sipa> windings?
 98 2013-11-19 00:50:03 <petertodd> sipa: yeah, render the genesis block message in windings and you'll see my hidden message
 99 2013-11-19 00:50:15 <sipa> cool
100 2013-11-19 00:50:20 <oneman> lal
101 2013-11-19 01:00:21 <Ryan52> warren: wow, nice! I found a suitable set of iMac's that I can borrow from today today, but I'm going to pick one up and get it setup for experimenting with tomorrow night. I want to try to decide which one might be best to try with before I take one home, though.
102 2013-11-19 01:00:51 <Ryan52> s/today today/today/ # /me is brainfail "today today"
103 2013-11-19 01:00:57 <warren> Ryan52: seems several other people are jumping on this
104 2013-11-19 01:05:46 <Ryan52> warren: hm. any notable progress? think they have enough head start for me to not have a decent chance at it if I start tomorrow night?
105 2013-11-19 01:06:41 <warren> Ryan52: I have no idea
106 2013-11-19 01:06:49 <sipa> i doubt it
107 2013-11-19 01:12:11 <Ryan52> warren: where is all the activity?
108 2013-11-19 01:18:10 <finway> It took 20 minutes  to sync the last 4 blocks(59-62) on bitcoin-qt (win7), anyone has the same problem?
109 2013-11-19 01:24:43 <BlueMatt> hmm...master crashes horribly if you try to open -qt and get a connection before its ready for them
110 2013-11-19 01:26:14 <finway> BlueMatt, what do you mean?
111 2013-11-19 01:26:43 <BlueMatt> popsup dialog box, entire gui freezes, doesnt come back
112 2013-11-19 01:27:10 <BlueMatt> and Im too lazy to debug, so I figured Id see if someone here was working :)
113 2013-11-19 01:30:57 <finway> Seems ok now
114 2013-11-19 01:45:41 <Emcy> people are reporting like hundreds of gb a month upload on bitcoin with lots of connections
115 2013-11-19 01:45:54 <Emcy> that cant be right, the maths cant be right on that
116 2013-11-19 01:46:43 <Emcy> roughly how many kb/s is the netwrok stream now
117 2013-11-19 02:19:41 <warren> MacOS X bounty update: I strongly suspect that corruption only happens on macs with time machine enabled.  So far there are zero reports of corruption on macs without time machine.
118 2013-11-19 02:19:54 <warren> Ryan52:
119 2013-11-19 02:20:06 <Diablo-D3> warren: that kind of makes sense
120 2013-11-19 02:20:15 <Diablo-D3> but then again it doesnt
121 2013-11-19 02:20:21 <Diablo-D3> I'd understand time machine backups being corrupt
122 2013-11-19 02:20:24 <Diablo-D3> but not the originals
123 2013-11-19 02:21:53 <dexX7> devs, i have a question. i seems that the soft block size limits set by the pools were reached today and bitcoin is still very far away from being widely used. is this a problem and is there already a concrete solution?
124 2013-11-19 02:25:08 <gwillen> hi -dev, are there any currently-known issues with 0.8.5 relating to open file limits?
125 2013-11-19 02:25:12 <gwillen> Or should that all be fixed in 0.8.5?
126 2013-11-19 02:25:36 <gwillen> I had a user PM me about multiple errors from -qt, which I diagnosed as probably a bad disk
127 2013-11-19 02:26:00 <gwillen> but I see open-file-limit issues coming up in google for the same error messages.
128 2013-11-19 02:26:10 <gwillen> Adn I recall hearing about that recently.
129 2013-11-19 02:27:27 <etotheipi_> gwillen, probably heard about it on the Armory thread
130 2013-11-19 02:27:52 <gwillen> etotheipi_: do you know if -qt current release has issues like that?
131 2013-11-19 02:28:13 <etotheipi_> we just figured out that when you startup leveldb, there's an leveldb::Options property:  opts.max_open_files
132 2013-11-19 02:28:18 <gwillen> I see there was a change 7 months ago that was supposed to fix those kinds of issues in -qt.
133 2013-11-19 02:28:25 <gwillen> etotheipi_: yeah, https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/fe15aa335c223a37a1196d5f509fbe8059b733bb
134 2013-11-19 02:28:33 <etotheipi_> if you search for that in the bitcoin-qt source code for that, you can probably trace it to a command line arg
135 2013-11-19 02:28:47 <gwillen> etotheipi_: that change fixes it at 64.
136 2013-11-19 02:29:18 <etotheipi_> yeah, I only had the problem with 32-bit linux, so I simply detect isLinux && is32Bit, and set the max_open_files=75 if so
137 2013-11-19 02:30:31 <gwillen> etotheipi_: interesting, thanks.
138 2013-11-19 03:30:28 <super3> kinda empty today
139 2013-11-19 03:39:33 <jeremias> is there any tool which could check why a transaction is rejected?
140 2013-11-19 03:41:14 <BlueMatt> debug.log
141 2013-11-19 04:18:39 <beethoven8201> is there a client that supports n of m?
142 2013-11-19 04:18:46 <beethoven8201> armory has been talking about it forever
143 2013-11-19 04:37:26 <Emcy> beethoven8201 nothing in gui afaik. I have no idea why they rushed it through 2 years ago.
144 2013-11-19 04:37:44 <Emcy> you can do with with a bitcoind rawtx i think
145 2013-11-19 04:41:00 <CodeShark> I have a GUI client but it's still not public
146 2013-11-19 04:42:18 <CodeShark> stay tuned, though :)
147 2013-11-19 04:58:18 <maaku> Emcy: because soft-forking now with all the new stakeholders would be a nightmare
148 2013-11-19 05:00:12 <Emcy> so they can never soft fork again?
149 2013-11-19 05:00:31 <Luke-Jr> maaku: erm, not quite
150 2013-11-19 05:00:36 <Luke-Jr> softforking is mostly painless now
151 2013-11-19 05:01:07 <Luke-Jr> it was done 2 years ago because we expected it to be used 2 years ago
152 2013-11-19 05:02:03 <Emcy> i cant see how
153 2013-11-19 05:02:13 <Luke-Jr> Emcy: ?
154 2013-11-19 05:02:31 <maaku> Luke-Jr: well, i seem to remember it was a pain to get P2SH through, and I thought that one had obvious merits
155 2013-11-19 05:02:35 <Emcy> it was ahuge rush and a shitstorm and then nothing
156 2013-11-19 05:03:02 <Emcy> even people who could and should really be using it are not
157 2013-11-19 05:03:08 <phrackage> ok so there was a senate hearing today, but was a final outcome actually published?  Or is it just dopes who are saying "bitcoin is now 'legal'"?
158 2013-11-19 05:03:23 <Emcy> hearing?
159 2013-11-19 05:03:36 <maaku> phrackage: there aren't "final outcomes"
160 2013-11-19 05:03:46 <maaku> in senate hearings
161 2013-11-19 05:04:04 <maaku> and no, despite news reports there was basically zero relevant new info
162 2013-11-19 05:04:19 <Luke-Jr> maaku: it was a pain because the technical aspects of P2SH were stupid
163 2013-11-19 05:05:03 <phrackage> the news on bitcoin rims goats
164 2013-11-19 05:06:06 <maaku> Bernanke came out and said "it's not the role of the Fed to regulate bitcoin" ... which was already known
165 2013-11-19 05:06:37 <maaku> If anything it's the job of FinCEN, SEC, consumer protection, secret service, and a half dozen other agencies
166 2013-11-19 05:06:57 <maaku> But somehow it was spun in a crazy way
167 2013-11-19 05:07:08 <beethoven8201> maaku: I thought the hearing was quite good
168 2013-11-19 05:07:42 <maaku> beethoven8201: I agree and think the same, but the news report summaries of it were rediculous and off the point
169 2013-11-19 05:07:46 <maaku> that's what I'm responding to
170 2013-11-19 05:08:05 <maaku> i particularly liked the al-gore-is-satoshi theory
171 2013-11-19 05:08:14 <Luke-Jr> O.o?
172 2013-11-19 05:08:21 <beethoven8201> maaku: I dunno. politions too tongue and cheek
173 2013-11-19 05:08:30 <beethoven8201> politians
174 2013-11-19 05:08:40 <beethoven8201> politicians
175 2013-11-19 05:08:42 <beethoven8201> jesus
176 2013-11-19 05:08:44 <beethoven8201> english
177 2013-11-19 05:08:54 <bitanarchy> hi
178 2013-11-19 05:08:58 <beethoven8201> hi bitanarchy
179 2013-11-19 05:16:04 <Jason> maaku: lol
180 2013-11-19 05:16:05 <Jason> maaku: al gore?
181 2013-11-19 05:16:09 <Jason> <3 al gore