1 2013-11-26 00:00:16 <sipa> not wasting time with bitcoin mining, unless you're serious :)
2 2013-11-26 00:00:45 <sipa> i haven't personally kept up with mining stuff recently
3 2013-11-26 00:00:57 <saracen> Dickyb0b: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=346134.0
4 2013-11-26 00:01:05 <saracen> You probably have to be that serious, thesedays :(
5 2013-11-26 00:01:12 <Dickyb0b> the higher the GH the better?
6 2013-11-26 00:03:39 <sipa> gmaxwell: so for a minimum wage 40hr/week, you earn $290/week, or $41 per (24/24) day, or 0.051 BTC per day, or 62 GH/s ?
7 2013-11-26 00:04:18 <Dickyb0b> <sipa> 6 USD/day or so
8 2013-11-26 00:04:24 <Dickyb0b> 24/7?
9 2013-11-26 00:04:34 <lianj> Dickyb0b: GH and less power
10 2013-11-26 00:04:41 <sipa> Dickyb0b: yes, if it's running 24/7
11 2013-11-26 00:04:48 <sipa> why would you turn it off...?
12 2013-11-26 00:04:57 <lianj> but like sipa said. 90% starting mining now isn't for you
13 2013-11-26 00:04:58 <Dickyb0b> without power costs?
14 2013-11-26 00:05:46 <jaakkos> Dickyb0b: do something more productive to earn btc
15 2013-11-26 00:05:48 <Dickyb0b> this guy is insane,http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PItCbRUFsQo
16 2013-11-26 00:06:00 <jaakkos> like, invent some useful service or get paid in btc
17 2013-11-26 00:06:06 <Dickyb0b> how else would you earn btc?
18 2013-11-26 00:06:06 <gmaxwell> sipa: yea sounds right.
19 2013-11-26 00:06:36 <sipa> Dickyb0b: by buying them?
20 2013-11-26 00:06:42 <jaakkos> Dickyb0b: i know it's hard though :S everyone is trying to do that as well.
21 2013-11-26 00:06:42 <sipa> Dickyb0b: or by being paid in it?
22 2013-11-26 00:06:50 <sipa> Dickyb0b: bitcoin isn't just about mining - it's a currency
23 2013-11-26 00:07:19 <sipa> gmaxwell: so your avalon's are a full time job each? :p
24 2013-11-26 00:07:28 <Dickyb0b> BFL Jalapeno is only for gpu mining?
25 2013-11-26 00:07:37 <sipa> Dickyb0b: no, it's an ASIC
26 2013-11-26 00:07:49 <sipa> can we move this to #bitcoin or #bitcoin-mining ?
27 2013-11-26 00:08:02 <gmaxwell> sipa: yep. Not a well paid one anymore.
28 2013-11-26 00:10:00 <Dickyb0b> ok
29 2013-11-26 00:10:49 <gmaxwell> sipa: fwiw, libsecp256k1 is 2.6x faster than openssl on arm, but both are a little horrifyingly slow.
30 2013-11-26 00:11:45 <gmaxwell> e.g. on my slower arm a9 libsecp256k1 is 330.5 verifies a second and openssl is 123.8 per core.
31 2013-11-26 00:11:56 <gmaxwell> I guess I should try this on an a15.
32 2013-11-26 00:12:03 <sipa> i think that's close to the speedup factor on x86
33 2013-11-26 00:12:39 <warren> sipa: is there anyone we can hire to help libsecp256k1 become trusted sooner?
34 2013-11-26 00:13:37 <sipa> warren: probably, i haven't had time for it
35 2013-11-26 00:14:26 <Dickyb0b> <sipa> i have 2 BFL jalapeno's, each doing 5000 MH/s
36 2013-11-26 00:14:31 <Dickyb0b> megahash??
37 2013-11-26 00:15:03 <sipa> Dickyb0b: yes, and we just established that you'd need around 62000 MH/s to get to a US minimum waage full-time job equivalent income
38 2013-11-26 00:15:24 <Burritoh> 1000 MH/s = 1 GH/s
39 2013-11-26 00:15:26 <Burritoh> :)
40 2013-11-26 00:15:38 <Dickyb0b> right
41 2013-11-26 00:15:41 <warren> sipa: Litecoin has no tx's so it benefits us a lot less, but we'd like to help anyway. =
42 2013-11-26 00:15:43 <warren> =)
43 2013-11-26 00:16:00 <Burritoh> Litecoin has no transactions? O_o
44 2013-11-26 00:16:09 <warren> It's like zen.
45 2013-11-26 00:16:12 <Dickyb0b> but running 12 units would cost alot to run
46 2013-11-26 00:16:13 <sipa> warren: it's maybe just asking the right smart people to look at it, but i'm not going to spend time on that now
47 2013-11-26 00:16:32 <sipa> Dickyb0b: ASICs cost almost nothing to run
48 2013-11-26 00:16:51 <Dickyb0b> dont you need your pc on?
49 2013-11-26 00:16:54 <Burritoh> sipa: what, do they include nuclear reactors? :P
50 2013-11-26 00:17:06 <sipa> $0.05 per day per GH/s or so
51 2013-11-26 00:17:49 <sipa> Dickyb0b: if you have a full-time job equivalent income, i think you can afford running a computer :)
52 2013-11-26 00:18:01 <warren> sipa: are all the malleability issues fixed in master?
53 2013-11-26 00:18:18 <sipa> warren: in libsecp256 or in bitcoin
54 2013-11-26 00:18:20 <Dickyb0b> but the difficulty changes with btc right?
55 2013-11-26 00:18:36 <sipa> Dickyb0b: yep http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin-ever.png
56 2013-11-26 00:18:55 <Dickyb0b> so thats the downfall
57 2013-11-26 00:18:55 <warren> sipa: bitcoin
58 2013-11-26 00:19:00 <sipa> warren: hell n
59 2013-11-26 00:19:03 <sipa> warren: hell no
60 2013-11-26 00:19:06 <warren> =)
61 2013-11-26 00:20:01 <sipa> we'd need to enforce low-S values, in addition to canonical sigs
62 2013-11-26 00:20:14 <sipa> then make those a hard rule instead of just a relay policy
63 2013-11-26 00:20:25 <sipa> and then add no-excess-scriptsig-pushes
64 2013-11-26 00:20:33 <Dickyb0b> i want something that is 100% profit and no loss
65 2013-11-26 00:20:47 <sipa> Dickyb0b: go dream
66 2013-11-26 00:20:50 <Burritoh> Dickyb0b: no such thing as easy money~
67 2013-11-26 00:21:01 <sipa> Dickyb0b: if that existed, everyone would do it
68 2013-11-26 00:23:18 <Dickyb0b> USB block Eruptors
69 2013-11-26 00:23:28 <Dickyb0b> good or bad?
70 2013-11-26 00:23:32 <sipa> obsolete
71 2013-11-26 00:23:49 <sipa> i have a bunch, but it's not worth the effort of running them
72 2013-11-26 00:24:54 <Dickyb0b> is there nothing that can mine with solar to save those powr
73 2013-11-26 00:24:55 <sipa> as i said, they only do 330 MH/s
74 2013-11-26 00:24:57 <Dickyb0b> bills
75 2013-11-26 00:25:10 <Dickyb0b> solar mining
76 2013-11-26 00:25:55 <sipa> can you please take this elsewhere? this is not the place to come to ask for easy money
77 2013-11-26 00:25:56 <saracen> They could all mine with solar, assuming you have enough solar panels.
78 2013-11-26 00:26:23 <saracen> sipa: Are you a core developer? I forget :(
79 2013-11-26 00:26:29 <sipa> yes
80 2013-11-26 00:26:30 <Dickyb0b> you guys are easy to talk to
81 2013-11-26 00:28:23 <sipa> ACTION ZzZz
82 2013-11-26 00:28:24 <sipa> bye!
83 2013-11-26 00:31:35 <Dickyb0b> ;;genrate 60000
84 2013-11-26 00:31:36 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 60000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 609482679.888, is 0.0495082009408 BTC per day and 0.00206284170587 BTC per hour.
85 2013-11-26 00:32:02 <Dickyb0b> how many usd is that?
86 2013-11-26 00:32:17 <lianj> google and #bitcoin-mining please
87 2013-11-26 00:37:49 <cfields> ers35: if you're still around: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=337294.msg3714808#msg3714808
88 2013-11-26 00:38:15 <ers35> I'll take a look
89 2013-11-26 00:54:06 <osmosis> upgrading python-bitcoinrpc, getting ImportError: cannot import name ServiceProxy
90 2013-11-26 00:57:00 <osmosis> works if I fallback to jsonrpc/ instead of using the default bitcoinrpc/
91 2013-11-26 01:04:18 <Dickyb0b> why dont people use ,https://products.butterflylabs.com/homepage-new-products/1-gh-cloud-hosted-bitcoin-hashing-power.html
92 2013-11-26 01:07:11 <Dickyb0b> ;;genrate 120000
93 2013-11-26 01:07:12 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 120000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 609482679.888, is 0.0990164018816 BTC per day and 0.00412568341173 BTC per hour.
94 2013-11-26 01:11:11 <berndj> ouch, compiling bitcoinrpc.cpp is painful
95 2013-11-26 01:11:41 <berndj> i see a bunch of unchecked calls to close(2) in leveldb - is that likely to be a problem on macos?
96 2013-11-26 01:19:45 <Dickyb0b> this seems like an awsome deal
97 2013-11-26 01:19:46 <Dickyb0b> http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/prospero-x-1.html
98 2013-11-26 01:21:06 <Dickyb0b> 100Ghash is 100,000mh right?
99 2013-11-26 01:22:59 <Burritoh> You should really take this to #bitcoin-mining
100 2013-11-26 01:23:09 <Burritoh> this channel is for software- and development-related stuff
101 2013-11-26 01:25:57 <eian> It looks like adi shamir is about to be burned at the stake for his most recent paper...
102 2013-11-26 01:27:38 <eian> gmaxwell, you around?
103 2013-11-26 01:28:16 <Burritoh> Is he the guy insinuating that Satoshi funded/is DPR?
104 2013-11-26 01:28:22 <eian> yeah
105 2013-11-26 01:28:56 <eian> He is also one of the founders of the RSA algorithm