1 2014-04-01 00:00:00 <airbreather> so we're left with just reinventing the wheel, piggybacking on top of Bitcoin addresses
2 2014-04-01 00:00:24 <sipa> yeah, you're trying to use bitcoin for something that can be better solved outside of it
3 2014-04-01 00:00:47 <sipa> ACTION afk
4 2014-04-01 00:00:51 <EricLarch> you would use a bitcoin auth only for bitcoin related sites
5 2014-04-01 00:01:16 <EricLarch> if the service doesn't care about your bitcoin address, I totally agree this wouldn't make sense
6 2014-04-01 00:01:59 <airbreather> the Eligius pool, for instance, already has a similar auth / identification scheme
7 2014-04-01 00:02:23 <EricLarch> you need to copy paste and sign ?
8 2014-04-01 00:02:24 <airbreather> I guess the advantage might be to standardize the format for doing that
9 2014-04-01 00:02:54 <uiop> airbreather: on thing that bitcoin does conveniently do though, is give a large number of people (who wouldn't otherwise have them) pub/priv keypairs that are (can) also connected to their identities
10 2014-04-01 00:03:01 <EricLarch> yes, that's exactly the idea. And to have wallets register the bitid:// or whatever to have a smooth UX
11 2014-04-01 00:03:47 <uiop> airbreather: good luck trying to get a large percentage of people PGP keypairs... but bitcoin could very well "solve" this problem (in a sense)
12 2014-04-01 00:04:03 <uiop> s/PGP/BTC/ encrypted email!
13 2014-04-01 00:04:20 <uiop> (or just signed email)
14 2014-04-01 00:04:56 <airbreather> addresses are poor UX, correct? We want them to be much less prominent in the interface?
15 2014-04-01 00:05:22 <uiop> heh, and no more boring "---PGP PUBLIC KEY BLAH---", you just need to say "here's my addr wouldn't mind if you randomly sent money here to kthx"
16 2014-04-01 00:05:37 <EricLarch> yes, that's why scanning a QRcode is an efficient way to securely create an account and giving your btc address in the same time
17 2014-04-01 00:06:03 <antephialtic> airbreather: see bip70
18 2014-04-01 00:06:59 <airbreather> That's something I'm going to have to read eventually...
19 2014-04-01 00:07:04 <antephialtic> QRcodes are kind of a hack. I like bitcoin:// url's better for online purchases
20 2014-04-01 00:07:24 <airbreather> for now, if we want to hide addresses behind a semantic layer, what's to stop us from hiding PGP keypairs behind that same layer?
21 2014-04-01 00:07:25 <EricLarch> qrcode is just a representation of the bitcoin://
22 2014-04-01 00:07:30 <uiop> QR is nice when you're in the midst of iphone fondling though
23 2014-04-01 00:07:48 <antephialtic> yes, QR code is nice for in person at the moment. Future is bip70 over bluetooth
24 2014-04-01 00:07:53 <vetch> antephialtic: there's no // in a bitcoin: URI.
25 2014-04-01 00:08:04 <antephialtic> or perhaps bip70 over NFC. vetch: thanks, you are correct
26 2014-04-01 00:08:06 <uiop> actually, it's also the *worst* when you pull up the QR code *on* you iphone..
27 2014-04-01 00:08:23 <antephialtic> Jimmy Wales: QR codes are robot barf
28 2014-04-01 00:08:24 <uiop> when that happens i usually just sigh
29 2014-04-01 00:08:29 <EricLarch> if the wallet registered the URI schema, then clicking on it would work
30 2014-04-01 00:11:09 <EricLarch> Thanks for the discussion. Going to bed. good night all :)
31 2014-04-01 01:22:15 <melik> hi there guys
32 2014-04-01 02:30:09 <shamoon> what does the d in bitcoind stand for?
33 2014-04-01 02:30:22 <phantomcircuit> daemon
34 2014-04-01 02:30:27 <shamoon> thanks!
35 2014-04-01 02:41:50 <antephialtic> delicious
36 2014-04-01 02:42:43 <gmaxwell> ::sigh:: https://multibit.org/en/help/v0.5/help_support_sentBitcoinFromMultibitButTheyAreStuck.html "There are lots of tiny inputs (under 5432 satoshis) in your wallet and the transaction fires the anti-spam rules"
37 2014-04-01 02:42:56 <gmaxwell> would actually be nice if other wallet developers weren't confused about this.
38 2014-04-01 04:06:52 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: ping
39 2014-04-01 05:40:46 <olalonde> at which point are blocks written to disk? are they written as soon as they arrive?
40 2014-04-01 05:42:01 <olalonde> are orphan blocks / alt chains written to disk?
41 2014-04-01 05:43:17 <dkog> olalonde: are you asking about bitcoind?
42 2014-04-01 05:43:57 <olalonde> dkog: yes
43 2014-04-01 05:57:36 <olalonde> why are most hashes in bitcoin computed twice?
44 2014-04-01 06:04:29 <dkog> preimage resistance
45 2014-04-01 06:04:55 <dkog> should a flaw be found in SHA2
46 2014-04-01 06:05:38 <dkog> though in theory it might introduce a flaw itself
47 2014-04-01 06:05:44 <olalonde> haha
48 2014-04-01 06:05:53 <olalonde> ok
49 2014-04-01 08:30:39 <wumpus> orphans are not written to disk, altchains are
50 2014-04-01 08:31:34 <wumpus> try -printblocktree to print the whole block tree (be sure to use master, as it was broken in 0.9 with everything on one line...)
51 2014-04-01 11:13:30 <shadders> if a standard bitcoin core client has a transaction in mempool then it sees a mutated version of the same transaction will it accept it into the mempool and evict the original or is it first come first served?
52 2014-04-01 11:14:59 <t7> a nasty implementation will go for the highest tx fee
53 2014-04-01 11:17:43 <shadders> t7: I mean the standard untweaked bitcoin core implementation
54 2014-04-01 11:18:28 <t7> i think it takes the oldest (received)
55 2014-04-01 11:18:31 <vetch> a mutated transaction would be a double spend. first in first served in my understanding.
56 2014-04-01 11:20:11 <CheckDavid> http://www.facebook.com/groups/180708015327157/ <= learn python.org Facebook group deletes and bans open source bitcoin related discussions and then pretends not to know what is happening.
57 2014-04-01 12:34:22 <wallet42> p
58 2014-04-01 12:36:12 <ematiu> Hello, quick question, Can 'decodescript' can be used for ScriptSig?
59 2014-04-01 12:57:29 <gavinandresen> Request for "nacked ACKers" (people who just ACK pull requests with no other comment): can you add a LITTLE more context: e.g. "ACK, like the idea" or "ACK, I've been running this patch and it works great" or "ACK, reviewed all the code and then spent two hours trying to break it and I couldn't."
60 2014-04-01 13:07:42 <wumpus> hm I generally only do that for very trivial pulls (ie, those that change style, or add tests, or documentation)
61 2014-04-01 13:08:33 <wumpus> but indeed for more complex changes it's not really useful
62 2014-04-01 13:09:57 <wumpus> ack, ack, ack
63 2014-04-01 13:10:10 <SomeoneWeird> ACTION acks wumpus
64 2014-04-01 13:11:51 <gavinandresen> wumpus: ACK on trivial pulls. Although if they are that trivial you should just pull them immediately....
65 2014-04-01 13:29:13 <wumpus> seems no one at all is interested in the RPC bind patch
66 2014-04-01 13:33:56 <speed-> http://www.coindesk.com/ceo-bitcoin-officially-bans-china/
67 2014-04-01 13:33:58 <speed-> fot the lols :)
68 2014-04-01 13:41:02 <wumpus> ACTION sighs at all of rebroad's logging changes pulles
69 2014-04-01 14:08:55 <wumpus> ERROR: The certificate of `www.openssl.org' is not trusted. when trying to wget openssl sources on Debian 7.4... fantastic
70 2014-04-01 14:11:09 <hearn> wumpus: haha
71 2014-04-01 14:11:10 <arubi> apt-get install ca-certificates?
72 2014-04-01 14:11:31 <hearn> theyâre using globalsign, hardly obscure
73 2014-04-01 14:19:12 <wumpus> arubi: already checked, I have ca-certificates
74 2014-04-01 14:21:17 <arubi> wumpus, oh, weird. maybe the ca-certificates package is old in 7.4
75 2014-04-01 14:21:32 <wumpus> well if someone is MITMing me: you suck, at least do it properly so I don't notice
76 2014-04-01 14:21:34 <arubi> I'm on sid, no problem with wget from https openssl
77 2014-04-01 14:22:43 <arubi> version 20140223 is what I have
78 2014-04-01 14:25:42 <wumpus> 20130119 ... so it's likely a version issue. I understand that Debian Stable is intentionally conservative with versions, but man, keeping certificates up to date would make sense...
79 2014-04-01 14:28:04 <arubi> yea, I can't imagine a reason to hold back certs..
80 2014-04-01 14:53:15 <soycarozo> what is bitcoin ????
81 2014-04-01 14:53:57 <soycarozo> bitcoin is nsa shit
82 2014-04-01 14:54:10 <wumpus> take that to #bitcoin please
83 2014-04-01 14:55:40 <soycarozo> btc culture is full of ignorants
84 2014-04-01 14:56:14 <soycarozo> imho
85 2014-04-01 14:58:47 <soycarozo> ok, sorry for the intervention, bye
86 2014-04-01 15:18:31 <Joric> is it somehow possible to issue physical coins with a 100% guarantee issuer won't redeem them himself?
87 2014-04-01 15:18:49 <Joric> split key? while ordering?
88 2014-04-01 15:20:03 <helo> Joric: still have to scratch off the key to ensure it is actually there and correct
89 2014-04-01 15:20:27 <Joric> won't be really that physical :( i mean they would need an additional secret anyway
90 2014-04-01 15:20:53 <Joric> guess it's not solvable
91 2014-04-01 15:22:03 <christophe> 2 Manufacturers that each make a half of the coin? Buyer combines them. Each side is a half of a 2-of-2.
92 2014-04-01 15:22:39 <christophe> They can make invalid coins, of course, but to steal funds they must cooperate.
93 2014-04-01 15:23:44 <jgarzik> Well, that's silly
94 2014-04-01 15:23:56 <jgarzik> bitcoin-cli wants a server, for RPC "decoderawtransaction"
95 2014-04-01 15:24:06 <jgarzik> bitcoin-cli can do a bunch of those RPCs without needing any server.
96 2014-04-01 15:33:23 <maaku> helo: yes, but you can get some assurance against that buy buying X more than you need and checking those
97 2014-04-01 15:34:52 <helo> oh yeah, they're not preloaded any longer, so that would help
98 2014-04-01 16:09:55 <Urushiol> I realize this isn't a support channel for software but it seems a reasonable place to ask the question and maybe get direction on where to go to ask. I downloaded carbonwallet for mac and it shows the graphic indication that it has been run but then no GUI is opened.
99 2014-04-01 16:16:28 <wumpus> never even heard of that wallet
100 2014-04-01 16:17:17 <Joric> wumpus, it's basically electrum, i guess, they use the same seed
101 2014-04-01 16:18:17 <Joric> yep, same addresses
102 2014-04-01 16:18:23 <Joric> wonder if they use same servers
103 2014-04-01 16:20:00 <Joric> looks like download doesn't work %) http://carbonwallet.com
104 2014-04-01 16:20:09 <Joric> also music
105 2014-04-01 16:21:28 <Joric> also no ssl on their site at all
106 2014-04-01 16:21:36 <wumpus> would have been a nice April 1 spoof 'Bitcoin QT wallet adds music' :p
107 2014-04-01 16:22:28 <wumpus> lack of SSL is fishy these days
108 2014-04-01 16:22:34 <Joric> i'd like something like in apple commercials