1 2014-06-22 02:43:25 <ninjashogun> hi.  question: is there any alt currency that inflates by giving out nominal "debt"?
 2 2014-06-22 04:04:06 <lnovy> Hi guy, I just dropped here to tell you, how much I love you all for BIP-0042. The future looks much brighter now.
 3 2014-06-22 04:07:41 <pigeons> i don't know if i should mention this here or in #bitcoin. i build the latest from git every few days, and something in the past several days has caused the qt version to not do anything when i click send, receive, or transactions. it just stays on the "overview" screen. I usually use qt4 so I tried with qt5 and the same thing happens. yeah i know not real helpful info sorry
 4 2014-06-22 04:09:46 <pigeons> i might try to backtrack and build one commit back until i can tell you which commit, but i dont have time at the moment so i thought id just mention it
 5 2014-06-22 04:11:35 <lnovy> git-bisect(1) is your friend :)
 6 2014-06-22 04:11:52 <pigeons> thanks
 7 2014-06-22 04:13:30 <lnovy> if you could replicate this even without gui, it would be an easy testcase to write. I don't know much about qt testing, bud I guess manual approach would be faster here.
 8 2014-06-22 05:03:10 <michagogo> 13:31:13 <wumpus> also we have to be really careful with distributions, as it is a security and consensus-critical library we can't have jokes like the bitcoind 0.3.xx in Ubuntu stable... <-- Hopefully that particular annoyance will go away soon... See bug 1314616 on Launchpad. Just waiting for someone to sponsor it.
 9 2014-06-22 05:05:39 <michagogo> 22:53:35 <dsnrk> I'll probably just move to a decent ISP, but I don't feel like sitting in the 2 hour call queue to cancel. <--- Heh, you need to do that? Here, you can just inform them in writing (mail or fax) and it's legally binding. There's even a site, netek.co.il I think it was, whose purpose is to do that for you -- you choose your provider, fill in
10 2014-06-22 05:05:39 <michagogo> your info, it uses the template for that company and sends the fax for you.
11 2014-06-22 05:23:22 <dsnrk> michagogo: not sure I could do that, would take me longer to read the contract and to find out instead of just listening to terrible music through VOIP compression for a bit
12 2014-06-22 05:24:34 <michagogo> dsnrk: was "two hours" exaggerated?
13 2014-06-22 05:25:08 <dsnrk> little bit. took 1.30 to resolve a billing issue.
14 2014-06-22 05:25:33 <michagogo> If not, don't bother reading the contract unless it has headers or a ToC -- just Google for the relevant information
15 2014-06-22 05:27:06 <dsnrk> some time when I don't have miners to tend to, last thing I want to do is leave them high and dry.
16 2014-06-22 05:27:28 <ronkrt> Question, i have the output of a scrypt hash, (imagin mining) can i encode the output to x11 while maintaining the orginial scrypt info?
17 2014-06-22 05:27:58 <dsnrk> ronkrt: altcoin PoW is desperately off topic here.
18 2014-06-22 05:28:38 <ronkrt> im just trying to figure out if its possible to make a new crypto that uses scrypt, x11 and sha-256 in 'a special order' to require multiple types of crypto mining
19 2014-06-22 05:28:59 <ronkrt> for example, sha-256 decodes a hash that relays to a x11, that decodes hash and relays to scrypt then that confirms a 'transfer'
20 2014-06-22 05:29:18 <ronkrt> 3 type's of algo, for 1 crypto
21 2014-06-22 05:29:27 <dsnrk> not the place to be asking that in the slightest.
22 2014-06-22 05:29:40 <ronkrt> can you recommend where i would then please?
23 2014-06-22 05:29:50 <dsnrk> I don't know of any.
24 2014-06-22 05:30:03 <ronkrt> ok, do you think bitcointalk might beable to answer or even entertain the idea?
25 2014-06-22 05:31:06 <dsnrk> couldn't tell you.
26 2014-06-22 05:59:47 <michagogo> dsnrk: I'd imagine that's exactly what you'd want to do...
27 2014-06-22 06:00:01 <michagogo> (Keep your miners dry)
28 2014-06-22 06:00:57 <michagogo> (Unless they're liquid cooled?)
29 2014-06-22 12:03:32 <GAit> how are people thinking bip70 will work with non merchant users? user a to user b. As a Joe user do I need to get my own server, my own domain, my own ssl cert, etc ? Or is the alternative to use some third party that shows their own CN like coinbase.com or greenaddress.it ?
30 2014-06-22 12:35:03 <dsnrk> michagogo: I meant dry as in alcohol (internet) :P
31 2014-06-22 12:48:29 <michagogo> dsnrk: dry as in alcohol?
32 2014-06-22 12:49:37 <dsnrk> michagogo: implying my miners are alcoholics because they need to always have their fix (internet), by churning ISPS id deprive them for a while and they'd be much less productive.
33 2014-06-22 12:49:45 <michagogo> GAit: well, there are other certificates besides website ones
34 2014-06-22 12:50:09 <GAit> michagogo: which are we expecting Joe avg to use?
35 2014-06-22 12:50:29 <michagogo> There are sites that will give you free certs with your email address on them
36 2014-06-22 12:50:35 <GAit> i am sure users that want to be authed will, the question is what is likely to happen
37 2014-06-22 12:50:58 <GAit> free certs, now you need somewhere to host it?
38 2014-06-22 12:51:06 <michagogo> GAit: see Gavin's payment request generator
39 2014-06-22 12:51:18 <dsnrk> well no, it would just be a signed blob- doesn't need to be hosted.
40 2014-06-22 12:51:33 <michagogo> It will sign requests with gavinandresen@gmail.com if asked to
41 2014-06-22 12:51:59 <michagogo> GAit: if you want a URL, then yes, you need a host
42 2014-06-22 12:52:21 <wumpus> GAit: IIRC there are already wallets that implement user-to-user payment requests, no need to host them ,they can also be sent over other channels
43 2014-06-22 12:52:22 <GAit> i am just wondering what is going to be the most likely accepted solution from the majority of users
44 2014-06-22 12:52:31 <michagogo> That host doesn't necessarily need your privkey
45 2014-06-22 12:52:41 <wumpus> for example bluetooth
46 2014-06-22 12:53:21 <michagogo> You can sign a bunch of requests and give them to the server to hand out
47 2014-06-22 12:53:31 <michagogo> And yeah, there are also other channels
48 2014-06-22 12:53:54 <GAit> i wonder a bit about DKIM
49 2014-06-22 12:54:23 <michagogo> dsnrk: ah. I guess elsewhere changing ISPs might be more complicated than it is here in Israel
50 2014-06-22 12:54:42 <michagogo> Internet service here is actually split into two components
51 2014-06-22 12:55:24 <michagogo> You have the infrastructure provider, which runs wires or cables to you
52 2014-06-22 12:56:08 <michagogo> I think that's pretty much a duopoly -- you have Bezeq, the phone company, and Hot, the cable company
53 2014-06-22 12:56:23 <michagogo> They also give you the modem
54 2014-06-22 12:56:41 <michagogo> Then you have the ISP, of which there are many more
55 2014-06-22 12:56:52 <dsnrk> yeah, same with mine only they are stuck in the 90s and take weeks to do anything. you get disconnected, they do the "connection" for a few hundred dollars, then you sit around for a week with no internet.
56 2014-06-22 12:57:19 <michagogo> Switching ISPs is easy to do here
57 2014-06-22 12:57:36 <sipa> seems a bit offtopic
58 2014-06-22 12:57:46 <michagogo> Your account with the ISP has a username and password, and those username and password go into the modem's configuration
59 2014-06-22 12:58:06 <michagogo> Switching is just a matter of signing up with the new one, changing credentials, and rebooting
60 2014-06-22 12:58:18 <michagogo> Almost no downtime
61 2014-06-22 13:42:18 <t7> so i was in the pub garden earlier today and some people on the next table were talking about their new bitcoin business...
62 2014-06-22 13:42:34 <t7> neither of which had much technical knowledge
63 2014-06-22 13:42:53 <t7> bitcoin is definitely mainstream
64 2014-06-22 13:44:01 <t7> i was gonna ask until they started talking about building the site and neither was very IT literate
65 2014-06-22 13:57:34 <Michail1> t7 - Funny you should say that.  I was in a Well Fargo on Friday (to do something bitcoin related).  While waiting in line, there was a guy at a desk talking to a banker about his account.  It only became obvious when he said, "Coinbase?  Oh yeah, that's a purchase for bitcoins on the internet."   I so wanted to stay and talk to the guy, but I had to get back to work.
66 2014-06-22 14:02:44 <sipa> at the amsterdam bitcoin conferenfe we went for dinner with some people to a local thai restaurant
67 2014-06-22 14:02:58 <sipa> the guys sitting next to us were talking about bitcoins and their limited supply
68 2014-06-22 14:03:05 <sipa> but had no idea about the conference :)
69 2014-06-22 14:06:17 <gwillen> heh!
70 2014-06-22 14:06:38 <GAit> banks in italy are organizing bitcoin seminars and presentations ... it's mindblowing how it all shifted from just a year ago. BTW, sipa, this conversation is offtopic here! :P
71 2014-06-22 14:10:48 <sipa> GAit: sorry, agree!
72 2014-06-22 14:12:45 <kiddouk> t7: according to the amount of VC money poured in Bitcoin related business, it attracts more and more people for sure.
73 2014-06-22 14:14:42 <GAit> it appears to me that banks are getting excited about the blockchain more than bitcoin itself. They think they can replicate the tech in a useful way or that something else than bitcoin would take over (the example i was given was netscape i think but i am not sure it was a perfectly fitting example)
74 2014-06-22 14:15:30 <GAit> i feel bad continuing this conversation here but would love to continue it on #bitcoin
75 2014-06-22 15:03:48 <dsnrk> if anybody has software they want to test against reorganisations on testnet3, I'll be messing about with the chain in a little bit for my own interest + testing my own code.
76 2014-06-22 15:54:55 <michagogo> Hm, is this known? autogen.sh returns this: configure.ac:699: warning: 'INCLUDES' is the old name for 'AM_CPPFLAGS' (or '*_CPPFLAGS')
77 2014-06-22 16:01:54 <sipa> michagogo: i've been seeing that for a while too
78 2014-06-22 16:27:54 <ahmed_> can someone here recommend how i can calculate my pool's hashrate?
79 2014-06-22 16:35:07 <embicoin> Hi !!! I am travelling to netherlands early september, is there those days any conference or event related to bitcoin development???
80 2014-06-22 17:45:15 <wallet42> sipa: u were in AMS?
81 2014-06-22 17:47:12 <sipa> yes
82 2014-06-22 18:01:50 <Michail1> Anyone see this error?
83 2014-06-22 18:01:57 <Michail1> checking for boostlib >= 1.20.0... yes
84 2014-06-22 18:01:57 <Michail1> checking whether the Boost::System library is available... yes
85 2014-06-22 18:01:57 <Michail1> configure: error: Could not find a version of the boost_system library!
86 2014-06-22 18:03:22 <Michail1> installed libboost-all-dev  (which is version 1.55)
87 2014-06-22 18:15:49 <wumpus> Michail1: you probably need to pass some --with-boost-libdir=...
88 2014-06-22 18:17:25 <wumpus> see also https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/3219
89 2014-06-22 18:35:51 <Michail1> completed.   make is running now.
90 2014-06-22 18:35:51 <Michail1> wumpus - Thank you again.   Before looking, I was able to get 8.6 daemon to build via same process I used for raspberry pi at: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=191729.40  (I never upgrade to a newer version since the .unix file has since been removed from the src files)   I read the thread you linked, and found the "--with-boost-libdir=/usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf"     configure
91 2014-06-22 18:37:06 <Michail1> (Note: This is on a cubox-i)
92 2014-06-22 18:37:19 <wumpus> hey, I have that one too :)
93 2014-06-22 18:37:51 <Michail1> :)
94 2014-06-22 18:38:51 <wumpus> I've been running a node on it for quite some time (master + some patches so 0.9.2 should definitely work)
95 2014-06-22 18:40:01 <Michail1> I run full node on a few diff Pi's.  nearly a year now.  Figured I would play with cubox and beagle.   cheap enough to drop nodes at diff locations.